@@defiance1790 I'm pretty sure Nebuchadnezzar never conquered Egypt, and the Nile didn't dry up. Also, Jesus said he'd return before those amongst him died, and he never returned.
AGrayPhantom to say a prophecy has been fulfilled when the claim and fulfillment has passed is hard to determine the accuracy of either it being true or not. To say “I’m pretty sure it never happened” (I assume) is coming from the mindset of thinking the event would be so rare that it’s hard to imagine... but if it was common then what significance would it have? As for your claim that Jesus said “he would return before those amongst Him died”, He also said that all of the Apostles would live a shortened life and die a violent death, except John. If Jesus’s return is suppose to save everyone who believes then it would seem He made two separate predictions that contradict each other.... there would be no sense in a prophet doing this, unless perhaps you’ve misinterpreted the prophecy.
Thank you Eric! That message is one that people desperately need to embrace. Disagreeing with one sides views, on any subject, do not by default make someone less intelligent, less good, or less human.
I love it when non-mathematical people try to do math. If someone predicts that the messiah will ride into town on a donkey in exactly 483 years, what is the probability that AT LEAST one person will ride into town on a donkey that day claiming to be the messiah? I would guess somewhere around 100%.
My question about this claim is how did they know it had been 483 years to the day when Isaiah was written somewhere around 700 bc? If jesus was born in 0 (not born in 0 i know, but it is within 10 years of 0, assuming jesus was a real person) wouldn't that leave somewhere around 200 years unaccounted for?
Brandon doesn’t seem to understand that to count the number of days requires him to establish the exact day that the jesus event happen and the exact day that the prophesy was written. Neither event is datable so the days cannot be counted and the so-called prophesy cannot be confirmed.
artistjoh yes Rabbi Tovia Singer likes to ask Christians what date are you starting from? Dr. Josh Bowen did a 3 part series on Daniel that puts the date around 200 bc, nowhere no how fulfillment of Daniel except to fundamentalist Christians who believe the Bible is perfect.
"The best way to predict the future is to create it" -Abe Lincoln Anyone throwing prophecy out there would most likely never understand the relevance of this quote to how poor of evidence prophecy really is... And that's assuming in the first place that their "prophecy" is even specific enough to count as real prophecy, let alone loose prediction.
Perhaps a contender for top 10 things not to claim on this channel: "The KJV is the most authoritative translation." Followed by: "If you just read the bible you'd have to agree with me"
The prophecy is what Matthew et al used to construct their stories. And in fact Matthew tells you why he constructed his stories - to fulfill the prophecy.
My pastor was a used car salesman. He once said to me: "Dale, I know you are a smart man, not a stupid fool full of sinful pride, So when are you going to trade out of that rusty junky old Ford and into this brand new glorious Chevy Jesus?"
12:18 The real Bible is the King James Bible? Earlier he said that The Bible wasn't written by man, implying that it was written by God. Does that mean that the typos in the KJV are proof of God making mistakes?
Lol. Their god is a dumb ass. Their god tells them specifically that he was sad that he created humans because of their sin nature. I guess he hasn't mastered the creation of the human mind and soul yet. Hindsight is 20/20, yet they don't see how their god is so blind!
Well, to be fair they probably believe the book is good because an authoritative pastor (or two) told them so. Oh, and so many other Christians also believe so they can't all be wrong. And, if he questions his God or bible he might be damned for eternity. Rational critical thinking can be an uphill struggle.
I'm so sick of them saying stuff like "Now, I get where you're coming from with that one" BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE TIME they blatantly disregard whatever the hosts say
I wonder how many people specifically tried to fulfill biblical but lesser known prophecies, because they knew the time was coming and they really wanted it to be true, but just went completely unnoticed because most had forgotten the prophecy or it wasn't compelling enough to matter?
Jewish calendar is not 360 days. At least currently it's 354 days, 11 less than the Gregorian one. Why is it whenever a caller invokes Judaism or the Hebrew language they get it so very wrong?
>All knowing and doing God. Can do anything. >Still need to "inspire" human kind to write his book for his book to exist instead of simply snapping it into existence.
CORRECT...and stop and consider HOW DIFFICULT it was to write a book back then.......they didn't have pen and paper back then........if i remember correctly...they started with coal, of sorts---and parchment type paper......it was a long and difficult task.......
god didn't even design the book to magically update... its been more than 2000 years since the last update called "new" testament... if it was 2000 years ago, its no longer "new"... and it didn't update by itself either, people need to translate it, to copy it... it is by complete accident that the bible only started spreading after men invented the printing press... looks like god is a dumbass for not inventing the printing press along with the bible... humans had to do it themselves...
@@hakureikura9052 not sure if you are for or against...but...actually it has been altered and updated recently....find a buybull from the 1930's...and then read one from say 1979 and you will see for yourself
Eric said it's still on the books that you can't run for office if you're an atheist. It's only 7 states where it says you can't run for office if you/re an atheist and that is overridden by national law.
but his point is it is still on some books. its a vestige from our religious past, even with our secular constitution it has still made its ways into some laws. some of those states i believe would probably enforce those laws if given the chance, and would probably need to be challenged for the feds to step in and set them straight.
"I've given you the Scotsman cake. Just let me slather it with Scotsman (brown sugar) frosting. With my 'and the only True Bible is the 1649 Blabbity Bloop'..."
it kills me.....if jesus was so fricking important....we would KNOW the exact date of birth....the EXACT location.....the exact date of resurrection........and of course WHICH cave he resurrected in.........people are nothing but blowhards.....
We don't know that he existed at all, in fact all evidence says he's not a person but a stereotypical character type common to many mystery religions of the time like Mithra.
Brandon: The bible is a piece of literature, a collection of varied literary genres written by multiple authors over the span of many centuries. Most of it is embodied in the genres of narrative, poetry, letters, and visionary writings. The two creation accounts are contradictory. They come from two different segments of the Jewish population of about 2000 years ago. Each is a completely different story. The scribes/priests included both legends in Genesis in order not to offend either group.
My question for theists is: Out of all the thousands of gods, what are the odds that the bible god suddenly popped up and said "I am the true and correct god, believe in me instead of these other thousands of gods." What are the odds that this bible god is the "true" god?
Eric, missed an opportunity there. Even if everything he says about the Daniel prophesy were true..... Jesus would have been aware of the prophesy. I always like to grant them as much as possible and show where their conclusion still doesn’t hold up.
In the book of Eric, it should state that it was written in the 1980s, way before the attack. That way for a future reader it would appear like a prophecy, providing that they don't believe in evidence. All hail the almighty Eric.
Brandon doesn't realize that Daniel was very accurate up until about 200 BC. After 200 BC his prophecies fail, proving that he wrote the book after the fact. Also, there is a ten year discrepancy of Jesus birth, one writer saying in was 4 BC another saying 6 AD. In 70 CE after the fall of Jerusalem, the priestly class knew the gig was up, so they tried to create a new religion by writing mythical tales about a guru who was already in the process of creating a new religion, kind of like Ron Hubbard created Scientology. You ,sir, have been duped, and you are duping other people, but we aren't concerned, your religion is failing, and in 200 years it will just be a fact of history, kind of like the Druids and Celts of the past.
@Crazy You need to provide evidence for your claim. You are making the claim of an existing obligation. Merely stating it exist on a RUclips page isn’t proof.
You are invoking the burden of proof argument. This argument insists that the person making a claim must prove said claim. It is a subjective concept. In any event a burden is an obligation. By invoking the burden of proof argument you are making a positive claim of an existing obligation. I, as a Christian, refuse to accept your claim of an obligation existing obligation until such time as you demonstrate that my confidence in God’s existence obligates me to prove God’s existence.
it would be helpful if you explain to the collars in more detail why prophecies are not valid for instance they don't indicate is Pacific time or place or person and so on and because they're not specific enough they're not valid and because you're not corroborated as being made prior to the actual event they're not valid
Could it be that Jews were reading the Daniel prophecy beforehand and were looking to stage it when the time came around. The Catholics have a prophecy that they are on the last Pope. I'm interested to see what happens.
They didn't even do anything at the right time, it was hundreds of years too late. So someone wrote about Jesus riding on a donkey, but it's not like any Jewish leadership actually set that up.
Brandon seems to miss the fact that the guys who wrote the New Testament also knew about the predictions in the Old Testament ! As to the existence of Jesus, the "evidence" seems pretty damn thin to me.
Resurrection story includes Jesus ticking items off the checklist. They admit it. He knew the script and was fulfilling it on purpose. I'm kinda surprised more people didn't think to try same thing. Plot twist: maybe they did. And just got worse PR.
Brandon. Look into what Jews believe about that passage. It's not a Messianic prophecy. Many of the prophecies Christians claim are prophecies are just not.
Well, If he's already brought his two best prophecies and they were debunked I don't see what difference any more are going to do. We've heard them all already anyway. Self-fulfilling, vague, wishful thinking.
last few seconds of brandons call...indigenous Australians , At the time of first contact, the only form of circumcision on the continent was practised as a male initiation ritual by a limited number of Aboriginal nations in Arnhem Land and the desert areas of what is now the Northern Territory and parts of Western and South Australia.
Congratulation Brandon, you just convinced me that the Jesus story is completely made up and that there never even was a mundane person the stories were based on. If someone writes "In exactly X years something is going happen" and X years later somebody else writes those things happened, then most certainly the events never happened. "Prophecy" proves there never was an historical Jesus as the Gospel writers just mined the OT for prophecies and then had their Jesus character fulfill them. No real person required.
The problem with ANY prophesy achievable by man--such as riding a donkey into town on a certain day--is that it was already out there that it should happen. So yeah, ANY dude could just calculate the date and ride a donkey into town--with no need for divinity at all. OR, someone after the fact could just add that little detail into their dude's story if it happened or not because who's going to know? How do you fact check who did or didn't ride a donkey into a specific town on some date 60 years prior in the ancient world? You don't. So anyone could have figured that bit out decades later and slipped it in to "strengthen" the claim, even if it never happened at all. If it's not the moon getting torn in two or a volcanic eruption or something man cannot influence, then it is--quite simply--100% USELESS as far as prophesy goes. And that is ESPECIALLY true if you publicize the prophesy in public and in advance.
They didn't do a good job explaining what the no true Scotsman fallacy is. The no true Scotsman fallacy is when you make up criteria to exclude someone from a definition. You say no true X would Y, when Y is not contradictory to the definition of X.
theres something about young people interrupting old people...the tone of this show, its feels hostile, sharp, not about forgiveness and acceptance....god is showing my arrogant asss in my twenties i guess...lol that reflection processsssssssssssssssssssss
The more I watch Vi, the better I like her as a cohost. Vi chimed in at really opportune times with logical fallacies and there were times when she just reacted with "what? Wait!" comments that were hilarious. Nice work. Vi brought concerns about the "Bible" full circle when she mentioned the circular reasoning Brandon was using. Typically, Brandon plowed forward as if it's not a problem. At least other Christians will try to bring in historians like Josephus us justifications for historical Jesus, though Josephus never confirmed the stories of Jesus as coming through the gates of Israel on an ass at a specific time in history. Nothing that specific was ever mentioned in historical accounts . . . and even he's been translated and mistranslated multiple ways. Credible Christians will even concede that, which is why they tend to rest their beliefs on faith.
Brandon: Don't you think an all-knowing and intelligent being like god could have thought up something better than a book to explain everything? A book can be misread, misinterpreted, edited, added to, text taken out or left out, etc. Don't you think a god would have known this?
John 3:16 is proof that that the Bible is less internally consistent than Harry Potter. let me explain this because either the "god" referenced in the passage created the law for atonement or they didn't. If the god referenced in John 3:16 was the same God in the old testament that created the law, why was Jesus necessary? Wasn't this god capable of changing his own laws? If no, the referenced God in the passage was Not the one who created the laws, then he is obviously a lesser god, beholden to Yahweh and who is more loving and trying to give humans a break from the capricious bloodthirsty tyrannical Jewish Tribal Sky wizard. But why was Jesus necessary? In either case, Jesus isn't necessary.
If Listening to a (generally) right winger attempt to rationalize their religion isn't enough evidence for someone to come to the conclusion that we weren't created by, as well as in the image of an all knowing/powerful/perfect God, you are most likely already drunk on a daily basis from that sweet Jesus nectar. I recently kicked the habit with help from "the word of God." Those words will convince a rational person of the truth.
Jesus didn't only speak good things, perform miracles, raise the dead, cast out demons, ...He fulfilled at least 44 prophesies...from birth...that He had no control of, stilled the sea, walked on water, and, then somehow "disappeared" His body being raised from the dead, just as He declared He would. I challenge any atheist to read the gospels objectively, whoever wrote them, and ask yourself if you would like to know this One?....Ex-atheist here myself, who did just that. God will show you Truth, if you want it.
jesus could NOT have performed a prophesy from birth....you know this.....and you know why too---------one final statement to all theists....PROVE IT.....
@@sheezamann2724 Prophesies were made regarding the Messiah from His birth, to His death...He nor anyone else could make them up of a baby born of a virgin. Then to go on in His ministry fulfilling everything else. I'm not here to "prove it", I'm here to get you guys to think for yourselves and seek for yourselves.
Hi, God here. These are my prophecies that I am writing now but were thought in the beginning: Israel will become a nation, again, someday, and in case I was not absolutely clear in my perfect communication in aramaic, the only true Bible is the KJV version when is written. Oh, and in the future, listen up what a Brandon guy will say about how awesome I am predicting things. Am I a cool God or what?
Had taco bell about 30 minutes ago. I'm writing a prophecy right now that i am going to take the unholiest shit man has ever seen in under 10 minutes from now. Nevermind the gathering storm that some call my stomach scream. It is unrelated to the prophecy
Doesn't Eric claiming to be the God of creation, prove that there is a God of creation? And if he can't prove it since he's talking directly to us, and not through books and inspired scriptures? Don't we assume he is not the God of creation? Sorry, not really sure I understand the "I am God argument"?
If only these Atheists would humble themselves so they can receive the Holy Ghost. Then the wisdom they receive will finally make sense to them. But they are too arrogant for that. They would rather quote Hitchens, or use cherry picked Bible verses than see the TRUTH.
@@thebolas000 I'm speaking about Atheists in general. Also every time I give scientific evidence for the Holy Ghost they run away, and don't even try to debunk it.
The Bible holds no more value regarding reality than any other book of fantasy stories. How can I 'humble myself' other than simply abandoning reasoned thought?
Atheos B. Sapien You must back most Often up or its just a sweeping statement, and at University you would be marked down for for such a sweeping statement. Are you University educated my friend?
Brandon, If you read this, the first point is that nobody has ever proved that jesus ever existed. Jesus is merely a character in a series of stories, written more than forty years after the supposed death of jesus. He is no more real than Gandalf or Frodo. Not one of the "prophecies" in the bible has ever been shown to be correct.
jusfugly That's not true according to Cambridge professors and even Richard Dawkins says Jesus existed but doubts the miracles etc. The big question is whether Jesus died and lived??
@@joesmoke9624 - Regardless of who says that jesus lived, there is simply zero evidence that jesus ever existed. The gospels were written, late in the first century, more than forty years after the supposed death of jesus. Jesus is the subject of a series of stories written in the gospels. Everything else, ever written about jesus was written after the gospels. There is no evidence of his existence before that. We therefore have no evidence, beyond the fact that he is a character in a book. Jesus was supposedly around for about 33 years. There is no evidence that he wrote or signed anything. None of his close 12 followers wrote anything. Nobody who saw or met him wrote anything about it. The Romans, who occupied the area at the time, sent many letters and reports back to Rome. Scholars have looked at these, in great detail, but have failed to find anything that confirms any of the stories in the gospels. More than forty years passes after jesus "dies" and suddenly, a group of people decide to write the stories. They remember intricate details of things they couldn't have possibly known. For instance, jesus went out into the desert, alone, to be tempted and to have a talk to his dad. Considering the fact that he was alone, there seems to be a lot of detail of his conversations.. If the gospels were a historical account of somebody who existed, many of the details would have been left out, as they could not have been known. The gospels, however, read as a story. As there are no cross referencing documents that confirm any of it, the only logical conclusion is that the stories are fiction.
Jusfugle Are you a biblical scholar? Because those I speak of are. And noway would Richard Dawkins stick his neck out and say Jesus existed if he didn't think there is evidence to validate it. If you don't care what these people say/think then I don't care what you say or think. Perhaps you should take it up with Cambridge professors and watch how they would tear you apart in your arguments. Personally, I think Jesus was an extraordinary man, and a prophet. He is also talked about in the Koran and other surviving text, talk about him. I doubt if history could have created Jesus, his movement his teachings, his whole world changing philosophy, no myth could be this all encompassing and world altering dogma principles, and ideas. No way could this man have been dreamt up or created. Throughout history he has had an impact not only in Christianity but other religions too. History is the past considered as whole and the affairs of humankind. All of the past and all of humankind have been shaped by Jesus's teachings. This impact on history would not be possible if Jesus was just a creation of his own times. If it was a creation of Jesus's own time and era, it would not be possible for such a spiritual awakening and belief to take hold of the entire world and to spread far and wide to create an epiphany in the human psyche. It would have only be localised to the place it was created. All of history and to the present day his teaching and his existence has been woven so to speak into the fabric of our own collective reasoning and beliefs on what it means to be human. I rest my case, but you can go and argue with the experts. Farewell and all the very best to you an yours.
@@joesmoke9624 - Argument from authority is not a valid method of obtaining the truth. Your argument seems to be: "Some very educated people, including one well known atheist, believe that jesus was real, therefore jesus existed" That's not much of a "case" at all. Of course biblical scholars think there was a jesus. Biblical "scholars" begin with the premise of, "I know that jesus existed and I'm going to prove it." An honest researcher simply follows the evidence and makes no assumptions. Richard Dawkins does to speak for me or represent me in any way. The only thing we share in common is that we are both atheists. Being an atheist is not like being in a religion. Thee are no leaders, deciding what we believe and what we don't believe. That is how a religion works. As I stated, there is no evidence that jesus ever existed. The Koran was written a long time after the gospels, so any mention of jesus is not evidence of his existence. The people who wrote the Koran were merely familiar with the bible, obviously. All of your ravings about how great you think jesus was, have no bearing on the truth. The truth is that there is simply no evidence that he ever existed. If you think you have evidence, present it.
@@joesmoke9624 - I know it can be a bit of a jolt when you discover that something you always thought was real is actually not. Your first reaction is denial. I understand that. But I would encourage you to do your own research.
Snape killing Dumbledore is proven to be historically accurate, because both Harry and Malfoy witnessed it and those are eyewitness accounts.
and because i saw it happen on tv....then it is true
professor mcgonagall also mentioned a person that goes with the name of snape, therefore snape is real, and in extension, dumbledore is real...
I mean Harry Potter makes more sense than the Bible
Caller wonders why Matt always hangs upon him. Non-stop blathering and no listening. Another scary religious zealot.
'I use the KJV cuz the other versions don't agree with me' basically.
Brandon, if you're reading this, do failed biblical prophecies disprove the Bible's validity?
AGrayPhantom if they didn’t come true, those were clearly false prophets deserving of eternal damnation! No true prophsman
Do you have an example of one?
@@defiance1790
I'm pretty sure Nebuchadnezzar never conquered Egypt, and the Nile didn't dry up. Also, Jesus said he'd return before those amongst him died, and he never returned.
AGrayPhantom to say a prophecy has been fulfilled when the claim and fulfillment has passed is hard to determine the accuracy of either it being true or not. To say “I’m pretty sure it never happened” (I assume) is coming from the mindset of thinking the event would be so rare that it’s hard to imagine... but if it was common then what significance would it have?
As for your claim that Jesus said “he would return before those amongst Him died”, He also said that all of the Apostles would live a shortened life and die a violent death, except John. If Jesus’s return is suppose to save everyone who believes then it would seem He made two separate predictions that contradict each other.... there would be no sense in a prophet doing this, unless perhaps you’ve misinterpreted the prophecy.
@@defiance1790
Wait, I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you arguing for, or against biblical prophecies? Did Nebuchadnezzar conquer Egypt?
Thank you Eric! That message is one that people desperately need to embrace. Disagreeing with one sides views, on any subject, do not by default make someone less intelligent, less good, or less human.
I love it when non-mathematical people try to do math. If someone predicts that the messiah will ride into town on a donkey in exactly 483 years, what is the probability that AT LEAST one person will ride into town on a donkey that day claiming to be the messiah? I would guess somewhere around 100%.
My question about this claim is how did they know it had been 483 years to the day when Isaiah was written somewhere around 700 bc? If jesus was born in 0 (not born in 0 i know, but it is within 10 years of 0, assuming jesus was a real person) wouldn't that leave somewhere around 200 years unaccounted for?
Lots of conmen would try to ride on an ass to claim to be the messiah.
It's also a problem for Christianity that nobody knows the year Jesus rode into Jerusalem, let alone the exact day.
Plus people could have very easily studied the old testament and then written the new testament so that they fulfilled the prophecies.
@@pollypockets508 And Josephus thinks the prophecy (in Micah, I think) applied to the Emperor Vespasian, who come out of Judah to rule the world.
The persons who wrote the New Testament had copies of the Old Testament , so prophecies would be pretty easy to fix.
Brandon doesn’t seem to understand that to count the number of days requires him to establish the exact day that the jesus event happen and the exact day that the prophesy was written. Neither event is datable so the days cannot be counted and the so-called prophesy cannot be confirmed.
you mean...they don't know...these things.........FOR REAL!!!......holy heavens.........let us pray....?
they don't even know the day of jesus birth nor his death.......how can people b so delusional
artistjoh yes Rabbi Tovia Singer likes to ask Christians what date are you starting from? Dr. Josh Bowen did a 3 part series on Daniel that puts the date around 200 bc, nowhere no how fulfillment of Daniel except to fundamentalist Christians who believe the Bible is perfect.
“Christ rode on an ass, but now asses ride on Christ.” - Heinrich Heine
Oh my goodness , that circumcision comment at the end made me laugh in my shop, everyone was looking at me like I was crazy 🤣
"The best way to predict the future is to create it"
-Abe Lincoln
Anyone throwing prophecy out there would most likely never understand the relevance of this quote to how poor of evidence prophecy really is... And that's assuming in the first place that their "prophecy" is even specific enough to count as real prophecy, let alone loose prediction.
Perhaps a contender for top 10 things not to claim on this channel:
"The KJV is the most authoritative translation."
Followed by: "If you just read the bible you'd have to agree with me"
The prophecy is what Matthew et al used to construct their stories. And in fact Matthew tells you why he constructed his stories - to fulfill the prophecy.
Using Israeli as an example of proof is really bad proof. I believe it would be called a Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Plus, it was quite possible that it could have happened.
My pastor was a used car salesman. He once said to me: "Dale, I know you are a smart man, not a stupid fool full of sinful pride, So when are you going to trade out of that rusty junky old Ford and into this brand new glorious Chevy Jesus?"
12:18
The real Bible is the King James Bible? Earlier he said that The Bible wasn't written by man, implying that it was written by God. Does that mean that the typos in the KJV are proof of God making mistakes?
Or it could mean his typewriter is broken, and if he is as old as ppl say he is he's probably still using one.
Lol. Their god is a dumb ass. Their god tells them specifically that he was sad that he created humans because of their sin nature.
I guess he hasn't mastered the creation of the human mind and soul yet. Hindsight is 20/20, yet they don't see how their god is so blind!
I know the Good Book's good
Because the Good Book says it's good
I know the Good Book knows it's good
Because a really Good Book would
Well, to be fair they probably believe the book is good because an authoritative pastor (or two) told them so.
Oh, and so many other Christians also believe so they can't all be wrong.
And, if he questions his God or bible he might be damned for eternity.
Rational critical thinking can be an uphill struggle.
I'm surprised they steered away from talking about self-fulfilling prophecy here.
I'm so sick of them saying stuff like "Now, I get where you're coming from with that one"
BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE TIME they blatantly disregard whatever the hosts say
16:45 = I can't stop laughing.
replay it multiple times to see ppl reaction . it was the best part ... wow
I wonder how many people specifically tried to fulfill biblical but lesser known prophecies, because they knew the time was coming and they really wanted it to be true, but just went completely unnoticed because most had forgotten the prophecy or it wasn't compelling enough to matter?
Jewish calendar is not 360 days. At least currently it's 354 days, 11 less than the Gregorian one. Why is it whenever a caller invokes Judaism or the Hebrew language they get it so very wrong?
>All knowing and doing God. Can do anything.
>Still need to "inspire" human kind to write his book for his book to exist instead of simply snapping it into existence.
CORRECT...and stop and consider HOW DIFFICULT it was to write a book back then.......they didn't have pen and paper back then........if i remember correctly...they started with coal, of sorts---and parchment type paper......it was a long and difficult task.......
got to remember.....people from 2000 years ago...had NOTHING else to do.....so they sat around and told stories......and look what happened
@@sheezamann2724 Hank didn't have paper either. He had to dictate it for Karl to write on a sheet of his memo pad.
god didn't even design the book to magically update...
its been more than 2000 years since the last update called "new" testament... if it was 2000 years ago, its no longer "new"...
and it didn't update by itself either, people need to translate it, to copy it...
it is by complete accident that the bible only started spreading after men invented the printing press...
looks like god is a dumbass for not inventing the printing press along with the bible...
humans had to do it themselves...
@@hakureikura9052 not sure if you are for or against...but...actually it has been altered and updated recently....find a buybull from the 1930's...and then read one from say 1979 and you will see for yourself
Eric said it's still on the books that you can't run for office if you're an atheist. It's only 7 states where it says you can't run for office if you/re an atheist and that is overridden by national law.
but his point is it is still on some books. its a vestige from our religious past, even with our secular constitution it has still made its ways into some laws. some of those states i believe would probably enforce those laws if given the chance, and would probably need to be challenged for the feds to step in and set them straight.
So what he said was correct. It's still on the books that you can't run for office. Correct.
"I've given you the Scotsman cake. Just let me slather it with Scotsman (brown sugar) frosting. With my 'and the only True Bible is the 1649 Blabbity Bloop'..."
We don't know when Jesus was born let alone when he rode into Jerusalem.
@Atheos B. Sapien end of conversation?
it kills me.....if jesus was so fricking important....we would KNOW the exact date of birth....the EXACT location.....the exact date of resurrection........and of course WHICH cave he resurrected in.........people are nothing but blowhards.....
We don't know that he existed at all, in fact all evidence says he's not a person but a stereotypical character type common to many mystery religions of the time like Mithra.
the bible is gods word lol, the book mentions talking snakes, talking donkeys, does that sound like the word of god?
And giants, angels and unicorns - oh my!
the bible speaks of a talking donkey,
it is great evidence that shrek is real!
SHREK IS LOVE, SHREK IS LIFE!!
Regarding the ass prophecy, it's pretty easy for an author to write that into their fictional book.
Note. As soon as Brandon used "Argument from Circumcision"...they cut him off.
Another circular argument. *Circum...*
Brandon: The bible is a piece of literature, a collection of varied literary genres written by multiple authors over the span of many centuries. Most of it is embodied in the genres of narrative, poetry, letters, and visionary writings. The two creation accounts are contradictory. They come from two different segments of the Jewish population of about 2000 years ago. Each is a completely different story. The scribes/priests included both legends in Genesis in order not to offend either group.
My question for theists is: Out of all the thousands of gods, what are the odds that the bible god suddenly popped up and said "I am the true and correct god, believe in me instead of these other thousands of gods." What are the odds that this bible god is the "true" god?
Eric, missed an opportunity there. Even if everything he says about the Daniel prophesy were true..... Jesus would have been aware of the prophesy. I always like to grant them as much as possible and show where their conclusion still doesn’t hold up.
Which is more likely true?
A. A virgin had a baby.
B. A teenage girl lied.
In a society where if she'd been raped, she would be blamed and punished...
C. Peter made it up
Good job Eric, I love the fact you acknowledge both Christians and Atheists can be both of high intelligence... unfortunately the caller was not.
We also do not have the date the book even claims this is Jesus character rode into Jerusalem
And the Academy Award for religious comedy goes to ..........
Proof for God............................................
In the book of Eric, it should state that it was written in the 1980s, way before the attack. That way for a future reader it would appear like a prophecy, providing that they don't believe in evidence. All hail the almighty Eric.
Brandon doesn't realize that Daniel was very accurate up until about 200 BC. After 200 BC his prophecies fail, proving that he wrote the book after the fact. Also, there is a ten year discrepancy of Jesus birth, one writer saying in was 4 BC another saying 6 AD.
In 70 CE after the fall of Jerusalem, the priestly class knew the gig was up, so they tried to create a new religion by writing mythical tales about a guru who was already in the process of creating a new religion, kind of like Ron Hubbard created Scientology.
You ,sir, have been duped, and you are duping other people, but we aren't concerned, your religion is failing, and in 200 years it will just be a fact of history, kind of like the Druids and Celts of the past.
Eric is a barrel of laughs, LOL
On that specific day when Jesus rode thru the gate is it possible that he was in fact THE ONLY person who rode thru the gate on a donkey?
A girl engaged to a guy getting pregnant? What are the mathematical odds?
You mean not the earlier wycliffe translation brandon
it think Brandon should read Harry Potter.
and after that he should look up about circumcision in different cultures.
That what I said about circumcision.
Brandon the Bible is the CLAIM!!
You need to provide evidence that the claims are actually true.
P.S you can't find the evidence in the book itself.
@Crazy
You need to provide evidence for your claim. You are making the claim of an existing obligation. Merely stating it exist on a RUclips page isn’t proof.
@@ohiobuckeye5828
What's the claim I'm making?
You are invoking the burden of proof argument. This argument insists that the person making a claim must prove said claim. It is a subjective concept.
In any event a burden is an obligation. By invoking the burden of proof argument you are making a positive claim of an existing obligation.
I, as a Christian, refuse to accept your claim of an obligation existing obligation until such time as you demonstrate that my confidence in God’s existence obligates me to prove God’s existence.
@@ohiobuckeye5828
Ok, you don't have to prove God's existence.
Have a nice day
You too and God bless.
First prove Daniel, Brandon.
Yoda predicted Luke Skywalker! Prophecy answered you non-believers, episode 1,2,3 came after 4,5, & 6. 🧐
it would be helpful if you explain to the collars in more detail why prophecies are not valid for instance they don't indicate is Pacific time or place or person and so on and because they're not specific enough they're not valid and because you're not corroborated as being made prior to the actual event they're not valid
The people who wrote the new testament had the old testament to reference
What's the difference between Christianity and Atheists?
Atheists go one God further.
tomorrow I will poop...…..yeah prophecy's
Could it be that Jews were reading the Daniel prophecy beforehand and were looking to stage it when the time came around. The Catholics have a prophecy that they are on the last Pope. I'm interested to see what happens.
They didn't even do anything at the right time, it was hundreds of years too late. So someone wrote about Jesus riding on a donkey, but it's not like any Jewish leadership actually set that up.
Brandon seems to miss the fact that the guys who wrote the New Testament also knew about the predictions in the Old Testament ! As to the existence of Jesus, the "evidence" seems pretty damn thin to me.
Resurrection story includes Jesus ticking items off the checklist. They admit it. He knew the script and was fulfilling it on purpose. I'm kinda surprised more people didn't think to try same thing.
Plot twist: maybe they did. And just got worse PR.
Jews still exist (I mean the religion, not the ethnicity), so somehow I don't think the prophecy argument is all that compelling.
The answer is: Egyptians also required circumcision
Brandon. Look into what Jews believe about that passage. It's not a Messianic prophecy. Many of the prophecies Christians claim are prophecies are just not.
So Jesus did whatever he could to fulfil prophecy. That doesn't mean those prophecies were pointing to him
The Book of Daniel was written in 165bce
Just saying
And where is Brandon's evidence that the story of Jesus entering Jerusalem wasn't written after the fact so that it fit the prophecy?
Book of Daniel is 2nd century BCE?
Well, If he's already brought his two best prophecies and they were debunked I don't see what difference any more are going to do. We've heard them all already anyway. Self-fulfilling, vague, wishful thinking.
666 likes luci ma man here is making some presence
I don’t say Christmas are dumb. I just can’t understand how anyone can take religion seriously. It’s obviously fiction
last few seconds of brandons call...indigenous Australians
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At the time of first contact, the only form of circumcision on the continent was practised as a male initiation ritual by a limited number of Aboriginal nations in Arnhem Land and the desert areas of what is now the Northern Territory and parts of Western and South Australia.
Someone has sold Brandon a bill of goods.
brandon 'y''know' y''know
Galileo You are right! Brandon has those words down pat!! He has put me to sleep many times.
By the way, if jesus read the torah, he would have known the prophecy. Hence he would know to ride into town on palm sunday on a donkey
Where can I purchase the book of Eric!?
Sam..the Book of Eric is still not finished yet..a lot of other prophecies are not in yet..haha..
send me....$20.00 and i will tell you
Congratulation Brandon, you just convinced me that the Jesus story is completely made up and that there never even was a mundane person the stories were based on. If someone writes "In exactly X years something is going happen" and X years later somebody else writes those things happened, then most certainly the events never happened. "Prophecy" proves there never was an historical Jesus as the Gospel writers just mined the OT for prophecies and then had their Jesus character fulfill them. No real person required.
The problem with ANY prophesy achievable by man--such as riding a donkey into town on a certain day--is that it was already out there that it should happen. So yeah, ANY dude could just calculate the date and ride a donkey into town--with no need for divinity at all. OR, someone after the fact could just add that little detail into their dude's story if it happened or not because who's going to know? How do you fact check who did or didn't ride a donkey into a specific town on some date 60 years prior in the ancient world? You don't. So anyone could have figured that bit out decades later and slipped it in to "strengthen" the claim, even if it never happened at all.
If it's not the moon getting torn in two or a volcanic eruption or something man cannot influence, then it is--quite simply--100% USELESS as far as prophesy goes. And that is ESPECIALLY true if you publicize the prophesy in public and in advance.
They didn't do a good job explaining what the no true Scotsman fallacy is. The no true Scotsman fallacy is when you make up criteria to exclude someone from a definition. You say no true X would Y, when Y is not contradictory to the definition of X.
They have no perspective, theists like this. They argue within a bubble.
is it vee or vih? i’ve heard hosts say both
theres something about young people interrupting old people...the tone of this show, its feels hostile, sharp, not about forgiveness and acceptance....god is showing my arrogant asss in my twenties i guess...lol that reflection processsssssssssssssssssssss
The more I watch Vi, the better I like her as a cohost. Vi chimed in at really opportune times with logical fallacies and there were times when she just reacted with "what? Wait!" comments that were hilarious. Nice work. Vi brought concerns about the "Bible" full circle when she mentioned the circular reasoning Brandon was using.
Typically, Brandon plowed forward as if it's not a problem. At least other Christians will try to bring in historians like Josephus us justifications for historical Jesus, though Josephus never confirmed the stories of Jesus as coming through the gates of Israel on an ass at a specific time in history. Nothing that specific was ever mentioned in historical accounts . . . and even he's been translated and mistranslated multiple ways. Credible Christians will even concede that, which is why they tend to rest their beliefs on faith.
The bible is the word of god. I can prove that because it says so in the bible.
Brandon: Don't you think an all-knowing and intelligent being like god could have thought up something better than a book to explain everything? A book can be misread, misinterpreted, edited, added to, text taken out or left out, etc. Don't you think a god would have known this?
Jesus is supposed to be the Jewish prophecy, and they claim it hasn't come true....so guess the prophecy was wrong?
Also - ain't no history in the Bible, hardly.
And genital mutilation is pretty widespread, sadly.
John 3:16 is proof that that the Bible is less internally consistent than Harry Potter.
let me explain this because either the "god" referenced in the passage created the law for atonement or they didn't.
If the god referenced in John 3:16 was the same God in the old testament that created the law, why was Jesus necessary? Wasn't this god capable of changing his own laws?
If no, the referenced God in the passage was Not the one who created the laws, then he is obviously a lesser god, beholden to Yahweh and who is more loving and trying to give humans a break from the capricious bloodthirsty tyrannical Jewish Tribal Sky wizard. But why was Jesus necessary?
In either case, Jesus isn't necessary.
If Listening to a (generally) right winger attempt to rationalize their religion isn't enough evidence for someone to come to the conclusion that we weren't created by, as well as in the image of an all knowing/powerful/perfect God, you are most likely already drunk on a daily basis from that sweet Jesus nectar. I recently kicked the habit with help from "the word of God." Those words will convince a rational person of the truth.
Jesus didn't only speak good things, perform miracles, raise the dead, cast out demons, ...He fulfilled at least 44 prophesies...from birth...that He had no control of, stilled the sea, walked on water, and, then somehow "disappeared" His body being raised from the dead, just as He declared He would. I challenge any atheist to read the gospels objectively, whoever wrote them, and ask yourself if you would like to know this One?....Ex-atheist here myself, who did just that. God will show you Truth, if you want it.
jesus could NOT have performed a prophesy from birth....you know this.....and you know why too---------one final statement to all theists....PROVE IT.....
No, a book says it happened. No More.
@@sheezamann2724 Prophesies were made regarding the Messiah from His birth, to His death...He nor anyone else could make them up of a baby born of a virgin. Then to go on in His ministry fulfilling everything else. I'm not here to "prove it", I'm here to get you guys to think for yourselves and seek for yourselves.
@@rainbowwizard1821 God will show you Truth, ...if you want it.
@@rustione2603 In other words "you'd believe it if you wanted to". Guess what, with that logic you can believe ANYTHING, as long as you want to.
Hi, God here. These are my prophecies that I am writing now but were thought in the beginning: Israel will become a nation, again, someday, and in case I was not absolutely clear in my perfect communication in aramaic, the only true Bible is the KJV version when is written. Oh, and in the future, listen up what a Brandon guy will say about how awesome I am predicting things. Am I a cool God or what?
Had taco bell about 30 minutes ago. I'm writing a prophecy right now that i am going to take the unholiest shit man has ever seen in under 10 minutes from now. Nevermind the gathering storm that some call my stomach scream. It is unrelated to the prophecy
@@dballs52 There go your brains.
@@nathanelder2718 just so you know, prophecy fulfilled.
@@dballs52 i had the same....vision........wow.....it so must be true
Doesn't Eric claiming to be the God of creation, prove that there is a God of creation? And if he can't prove it since he's talking directly to us, and not through books and inspired scriptures? Don't we assume he is not the God of creation?
Sorry, not really sure I understand the "I am God argument"?
Thee is a presidential candidate right now today who's supporters claim is the second coming of Jesus.
I don't know Brandon but lots of other cultures perform female genital mutilation across the world. Explain that sonny
Brandon needs to look into some tribes of Indians that preform ritual circumcision and not on babies. It is a coming of age ritual.
Brandon from AZ is a common caller and he sucks everytime
Prophesy schmophesy...
If only these Atheists would humble themselves so they can receive the Holy Ghost. Then the wisdom they receive will finally make sense to them. But they are too arrogant for that. They would rather quote Hitchens, or use cherry picked Bible verses than see the TRUTH.
They neither quoted Hitchens or used quotes from the Bible, cherry picked or otherwise.
@@thebolas000 I'm speaking about Atheists in general.
Also every time I give scientific evidence for the Holy Ghost they run away, and don't even try to debunk it.
The Bible holds no more value regarding reality than any other book of fantasy stories.
How can I 'humble myself' other than simply abandoning reasoned thought?
Claims require evidence. The bible is not evidence. The bible is the claim.
It is a much better to watching beautiful Videos about Animals, because Animals are not stupid like Humans, with their Smarthphones!!!
700 Years, or 70.000 Years of ABORIGINES!!! Brandon, did you haved Mathematic in your School?
it is kinda dummm to believe in god.
If you talking about Bible every day, the Jews are so happy, across the World - Rabbis!!!
Bad Atheist
"Brandon is an idiot."
How many mental sick Brandons lives in USA, Russia, Germany, Brasil, Australia?!!!
at least one
friedrich nietzsche. You could be one of them!
Atheos B. Sapien Sweeping statement
Atheos B. Sapien You must back most Often up or its just a sweeping statement, and at University you would be marked down for for such a sweeping statement. Are you University educated my friend?
Atheos B. Sapien It's late here in the UK therefore I'm off to bed. Chat with you another day if you so wish. Goodnight
"GOD"&HITLER,S WORD,S: DEUTERONOMY 3:6. GENOCIDE!!!
Brandon, If you read this, the first point is that nobody has ever proved that jesus ever existed.
Jesus is merely a character in a series of stories, written more than forty years after the supposed death of jesus.
He is no more real than Gandalf or Frodo.
Not one of the "prophecies" in the bible has ever been shown to be correct.
jusfugly That's not true according to Cambridge professors and even Richard Dawkins says Jesus existed but doubts the miracles etc. The big question is whether Jesus died and lived??
@@joesmoke9624 - Regardless of who says that jesus lived, there is simply zero evidence that jesus ever existed.
The gospels were written, late in the first century, more than forty years after the supposed death of jesus.
Jesus is the subject of a series of stories written in the gospels.
Everything else, ever written about jesus was written after the gospels.
There is no evidence of his existence before that.
We therefore have no evidence, beyond the fact that he is a character in a book.
Jesus was supposedly around for about 33 years.
There is no evidence that he wrote or signed anything.
None of his close 12 followers wrote anything.
Nobody who saw or met him wrote anything about it.
The Romans, who occupied the area at the time, sent many letters and reports back to Rome.
Scholars have looked at these, in great detail, but have failed to find anything that confirms any of the stories in the gospels.
More than forty years passes after jesus "dies" and suddenly, a group of people decide to write the stories.
They remember intricate details of things they couldn't have possibly known.
For instance, jesus went out into the desert, alone, to be tempted and to have a talk to his dad.
Considering the fact that he was alone, there seems to be a lot of detail of his conversations..
If the gospels were a historical account of somebody who existed, many of the details would have been left out, as they could not have been known.
The gospels, however, read as a story.
As there are no cross referencing documents that confirm any of it, the only logical conclusion is that the stories are fiction.
Jusfugle Are you a biblical scholar? Because those I speak of are. And noway would Richard Dawkins stick his neck out and say Jesus existed if he didn't think there is evidence to validate it.
If you don't care what these people say/think then I don't care what you say or think. Perhaps you should take it up with Cambridge professors and watch how they would tear you apart in your arguments. Personally, I think Jesus was an extraordinary man, and a prophet. He is also talked about in the Koran and other surviving text, talk about him.
I doubt if history could have created Jesus, his movement his teachings,
his whole world changing philosophy, no myth could be this all encompassing and world altering dogma principles, and ideas.
No way could this man have been dreamt up or created.
Throughout history he has had an impact not only in Christianity but other religions too.
History is the past considered as whole and the affairs of humankind.
All of the past and all of humankind have been shaped by Jesus's teachings. This impact on history would not be possible if Jesus
was just a creation of his own times. If it was a creation of Jesus's own
time and era, it would not be possible for such a spiritual awakening and belief to take hold of the entire world and to spread far and wide to create an epiphany in the human psyche. It would have only be localised to the place it was created. All of history and to the present day his teaching and his existence has been woven so to speak into the fabric of our own collective reasoning and beliefs on what it means to be human.
I rest my case, but you can go and argue with the experts. Farewell and all the very best to you an yours.
@@joesmoke9624 - Argument from authority is not a valid method of obtaining the truth.
Your argument seems to be: "Some very educated people, including one well known atheist, believe that jesus was real, therefore jesus existed"
That's not much of a "case" at all.
Of course biblical scholars think there was a jesus.
Biblical "scholars" begin with the premise of, "I know that jesus existed and I'm going to prove it."
An honest researcher simply follows the evidence and makes no assumptions.
Richard Dawkins does to speak for me or represent me in any way.
The only thing we share in common is that we are both atheists.
Being an atheist is not like being in a religion.
Thee are no leaders, deciding what we believe and what we don't believe.
That is how a religion works.
As I stated, there is no evidence that jesus ever existed.
The Koran was written a long time after the gospels, so any mention of jesus is not evidence of his existence.
The people who wrote the Koran were merely familiar with the bible, obviously.
All of your ravings about how great you think jesus was, have no bearing on the truth.
The truth is that there is simply no evidence that he ever existed.
If you think you have evidence, present it.
@@joesmoke9624 - I know it can be a bit of a jolt when you discover that something you always thought was real is actually not.
Your first reaction is denial.
I understand that.
But I would encourage you to do your own research.
And fuck your Jerusalem too!!!