Great breakdown on the different options. Iron will is now making the Snyder core system which looks like the strongest system for 4mm if you don't mind being dedicated to iron will heads. I'm still shooting the titanium half outs on my axis but plan to switch to the Snyder core if I draw a tag.
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors I did pickup their W100 and S100s. I’ll try and doing some testing with em soon. I have the pics on my IG. They are a work of art!
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Ive been shooting the 4mms for over a month now (scored the only set the shop had) and I've bent 2 aluminum outserts now. Thank you for this video because I was thinking Id have to go to the titanium outserts. Ill for sure check out iron will for the next dozen before TAC colorado.. Hopefully I come home with the majority of them...
Dude!! Awesome video, you hit everything about this arrow I've been looking for. Question, other than the Easton 5mm do you have data of how it stacks up against other arrows of say a different brand, specifically total arrow weight, trajectory? Im in between a few brands at the moment, want to go with Easton because, made in America, but in my spine 10.7 gr is a bit on the heavy side.
Thanks Im glad it was helpful., I like the Victory VAPS they finally came out with a heavier spine for us guys who shoot 80lb bows. I got the 235 spine vaps and they are fricken sweet man, I should make a video on those. they are Chinese made I think which sucks and I love me some Easton.... they were lighter and I had them cut shorter too which helped a lot.
Well good im glad! More for me!! Just kidding!!! I have a bunch of 5mm Axis that I still love too!! cant go wrong with 5mm fmj either! Thanks for watching
That would be something worth testing wouldn't it? Supposedly Black eagle did it and compared to a 5mm arrow same setup, same bow the arrow had 60% more penetration in ballistic gel. That info came from inside out precision's video he made after mine.
Those are some mean arrows! You could prolly kill a hippo with your setup. Iron will looks strong! Blowing out deers shoulders up in Michigan. 👍 New Hoyt.. 80#.. you could shoot those old super slam aluminum logs and pass thru deer no problem. Awesome set up and review!
Yeah their super nice man, I shot some 4mm last year and really enjoyed the speed and high FOC. Im excited to get the sight tape built this week and see what Im working with at longer yardages.
Thank uncle joe? For what? Was loving the video until you mentioned sleepy Joe. Good hunting, im also shooting an axis at 568 with iron will components. 5mm though, interested in the 4mm. Ive shot a lot of them from other brands and they fly great, but almost all have broke on impact into a deer, the 4mm. Happy hunting from michigan as well.
Awesome video, I have been shooting 4mm diameter arrows (carbon injection from Easton, Axis 4mm replaced them this year which is sad) since the day I picked up my bow. So here are my 2 cents: the Easton deepsix insert: haven't really failed me, however I have lost inserts and field points on targets because they were glued incorrectly or the glue was not strong enough to hold the insert glued Easton Ti outsert: they do the job, but I have found Ti is too smooth for the glue to really hold and get a nice bond onto the carbon so I was not really happy, plus super expensive as you mentioned. Iron Will: same components as deepsix just heavier, the collars are a most in my opinion since if your fieldpoint/broadhead has a little gap between the farrow and the carbon, the arrows will broom, the collar prevents this issue. Another component I have used and currently using is the DaySix insert+outsert (they add about 1" in lenght to your arrow just like the Easton halfout), man those things are super strong. I shoot a lot of unmarked 3D and I have shot them into rocks and steel by accident and they have not disappointed me.
Hey man! Thanks for all this feedback! Great stuff! I was also thinking about that day six insert / outsert. Thats good to know how solid they are. I think im gonna go with the iron will system and see how that goes. I really like the impact coller. Thanks again for all that feedback! Good luck to you this year 👊
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I just ordered the Rx7 in 80lb with 30” draw length and am now looking to match an arrow to it to maintain around 295fps, but no more than 300fps. Essentially I want the maximum weight I can get to hover at that speed. Did you say that one of those 4mm Axis has a 50 grain IW insert and a 125 head, and weighs 490ish grains? If so do mind sharing the exact components on that arrow? Wrap, vanes, nock (lighted or not?), insert, tip, collar etc. Thanks in advance.
My hunting setup ended being 491 grains. Im a 29" draw. I used 50 grain hiit insert and a 100 grain broadhead. With 25 grain shock collar. I too have an 80lb bow and was getting 287 fps.
Respectfully, I shoot 80lb bc I want to, just like you shoot 40lbs less bc you want to. I could quite easily type some justification for you here, but I can already tell that you know everything already. :) Best wishes!
People repeat what they hear...have not them break any more than any other arrow...have no problem with the easton insert. But trying new things is fun...have had no issues on hogs or deer.
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors i use the stock ones....I don't get crazy with foc weight which weakens the arrow..I always say, before all this crazy heavy FOC stuff what did we kill with? Are women and teenagers killing elk with magic since they are not shooting 85lbs with 700 grain arrows at 120 yards? I kill animals with axis arrows with 100 to 125 grain broadheads. For all my arrows I want accuracy, penetration and forgiveness. Most heavy arrows drop like crazy. I refuse long shots. I will work on getting closer before I take a shot. With my injections I do not use outserts because I dislike them. Love the channel! Keep up the good work! I may try the ones your trying out.
Thanks for the feed back!! Im the same way, screw a 600 grain arrow. Totally unnecessary unless in Africa. Ill be around 490 this year for whitetail 🤙🤙
Could someone tell me more about the Iron Will insert? I am building arrows only for a few years. I am going to be shooting Iron Will single bevel broadhead this year. I started using the maxima red sd 350. 30" draw. One bow 60# second bow 65#. Getting older. Need something for deer 30 yards and in.
All u have to know if the inside diameter of your arrow shafts then u can match that to the grain weight you want to achieve on the iron will website. Or u can call them and they might be able to walk through it.
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors shupachs in jackson has a big line of the vap series. They sell pre fletched vap elites and tkos in a 4 fletch with bohing heat vanes. They are well done and very consistent. Little bit of a ride for you but they have the most complete shop ive been to in Southern Michigan
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors i can almost guarantee you they do. If you haven't been to their shop its definitely worth going. The sell hoyt, mathews, pse, bowtech, a few bear bows, and recently started carrying prime. For arrows they carry black eagle, easton, carbon express, and victory but definitely carry more options for the victory line than anything else
I shoot 28inch 60-75 v1 vap 350 elite that is 7.8gr per inch with 95gr titanium inserts and 100gr tip come out avg 427gr arrows and FOC 18.5% with 70# bow I have to shoot 5 spots ok I will destroy them
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors not really considering one you get to buy normal thread pattern broadheads and one you have to buy deep 6, which are more expensive and can't be used with any other setup. Also most source agree that not adding a collar to a deep 6 setup is recipe for disaster. This is because the shaft inside the arrow is so small that it is very prone to breaking without a support system added such as a collar.
I sure didn’t get any of it just in the group that pays it back we’re in the rabbit hole now we’re never going to get out of this hole. Trillions and trillions in debt man they should just write your everyday citizens offs as well But oh wait that’s not practical. Some people if they don’t pay the correct amount would get put in prison but they don’t pay theirs back they get an award and the media will cover it 😂
Great breakdown on the different options. Iron will is now making the Snyder core system which looks like the strongest system for 4mm if you don't mind being dedicated to iron will heads. I'm still shooting the titanium half outs on my axis but plan to switch to the Snyder core if I draw a tag.
Id agree, the Snyder core seems like the strongest option. I shot a buck with one of these quartering away at 22 yards, it was devastating...
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors Which head were you using?
@@torreyintahoe sevr 2.0 with the shock collar
the iron will components are top notch. im running those now and they have been amazing!
Are you running the broadheads too? Im seriously considering the S series!
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors I did pickup their W100 and S100s. I’ll try and doing some testing with em soon. I have the pics on my IG. They are a work of art!
Buy your arrow axis , gun and ammunition online 🇺🇸🇺🇸
fragyammunitions.com
Ship to all states.. ammunition available are: 9mm, 5.56, 223, 45acp, 65creedmor, 22lr, etc . And arrow available 6mm, 6.5mm , 4mm etc
Dm us if interested and purchase up your ammo online
Contacts us on +1(313) 284-6781
Ive been shooting the 4mms for over a month now (scored the only set the shop had) and I've bent 2 aluminum outserts now. Thank you for this video because I was thinking Id have to go to the titanium outserts. Ill for sure check out iron will for the next dozen before TAC colorado.. Hopefully I come home with the majority of them...
Those inserts look tough! Good , thorough review man.
Thanks 👊 im excited to hunt with them!
Dude!! Awesome video, you hit everything about this arrow I've been looking for. Question, other than the Easton 5mm do you have data of how it stacks up against other arrows of say a different brand, specifically total arrow weight, trajectory? Im in between a few brands at the moment, want to go with Easton because, made in America, but in my spine 10.7 gr is a bit on the heavy side.
Thanks Im glad it was helpful., I like the Victory VAPS they finally came out with a heavier spine for us guys who shoot 80lb bows. I got the 235 spine vaps and they are fricken sweet man, I should make a video on those. they are Chinese made I think which sucks and I love me some Easton.... they were lighter and I had them cut shorter too which helped a lot.
Great video ! You convinced me not to go with the 4mm arrows. To much tinkering for an unknown improvement. Gonna stay with the 5mm FMJ
Well good im glad! More for me!! Just kidding!!! I have a bunch of 5mm Axis that I still love too!! cant go wrong with 5mm fmj either! Thanks for watching
Wonderful review! I really appreciate your enthusiasm
Thank you sir!
Solid review. I wonder how much better a micro really penetrates when the arrow is sliding through the wound channel of a broadhead.
That would be something worth testing wouldn't it?
Supposedly Black eagle did it and compared to a 5mm arrow same setup, same bow the arrow had 60% more penetration in ballistic gel. That info came from inside out precision's video he made after mine.
Great review! I'm not going to be changing to micro shafts any time soon, but you did a real thorough job of explaining and testing.
Thank you, I appreciate the feedback 👊
Hi Jeremy what brand microdiameter arrows are you shooting?
@@godmother360 I'm not shooting microdiameter arrows at all. I am currently shooting the Gold Tip Ted Nugent arrows.
Ordering a set to use with the iron will synder system. Needed something light but durable.
That snyder system wasnt available at the time I needed components but it looks awesome!!
Podium Archery now makes a Titanium option that sounds better than Eastons also for anyone interested.
Thanks for sharing!!
It's not better. Same thing. Different brand.
Those are some mean arrows! You could prolly kill a hippo with your setup. Iron will looks strong! Blowing out deers shoulders up in Michigan. 👍 New Hoyt.. 80#.. you could shoot those old super slam aluminum logs and pass thru deer no problem. Awesome set up and review!
Yeah their super nice man, I shot some 4mm last year and really enjoyed the speed and high FOC. Im excited to get the sight tape built this week and see what Im working with at longer yardages.
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors Share updates!
@@beaukramer3092 I 100% will, ill probably make several more videos in the next few weeks!
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors dropping some bombs in the marsh this year
Hahaha will see, hopefully not but I do enjoy the total archery challenge!
Thank uncle joe? For what? Was loving the video until you mentioned sleepy Joe. Good hunting, im also shooting an axis at 568 with iron will components. 5mm though, interested in the 4mm. Ive shot a lot of them from other brands and they fly great, but almost all have broke on impact into a deer, the 4mm. Happy hunting from michigan as well.
It was just a joke lol, I try and throw in some jokes here and there to not have the videos so dry.
Awesome video, I have been shooting 4mm diameter arrows (carbon injection from Easton, Axis 4mm replaced them this year which is sad) since the day I picked up my bow.
So here are my 2 cents:
the Easton deepsix insert: haven't really failed me, however I have lost inserts and field points on targets because they were glued incorrectly or the glue was not strong enough to hold the insert glued
Easton Ti outsert: they do the job, but I have found Ti is too smooth for the glue to really hold and get a nice bond onto the carbon so I was not really happy, plus super expensive as you mentioned.
Iron Will: same components as deepsix just heavier, the collars are a most in my opinion since if your fieldpoint/broadhead has a little gap between the farrow and the carbon, the arrows will broom, the collar prevents this issue.
Another component I have used and currently using is the DaySix insert+outsert (they add about 1" in lenght to your arrow just like the Easton halfout), man those things are super strong. I shoot a lot of unmarked 3D and I have shot them into rocks and steel by accident and they have not disappointed me.
Hey man! Thanks for all this feedback! Great stuff!
I was also thinking about that day six insert / outsert. Thats good to know how solid they are. I think im gonna go with the iron will system and see how that goes. I really like the impact coller. Thanks again for all that feedback! Good luck to you this year 👊
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors Im waiting for the IW “snider core” system for 0.166 ID to come out to try it too
@@piche090391 yeah, That looks pretty cool too! So many options. Its really a worm hole 🕳 lol
Buy your arrow axis , gun and ammunition online 🇺🇸🇺🇸
fragyammunitions.com
Ship to all states.. ammunition available are: 9mm, 5.56, 223, 45acp, 65creedmor, 22lr, etc . And arrow available 6mm, 6.5mm , 4mm etc
Dm us if interested and purchase up your ammo online
Contacts us on +1(313) 284-6781
I just ordered the Rx7 in 80lb with 30” draw length and am now looking to match an arrow to it to maintain around 295fps, but no more than 300fps. Essentially I want the maximum weight I can get to hover at that speed. Did you say that one of those 4mm Axis has a 50 grain IW insert and a 125 head, and weighs 490ish grains? If so do mind sharing the exact components on that arrow? Wrap, vanes, nock (lighted or not?), insert, tip, collar etc. Thanks in advance.
My hunting setup ended being 491 grains. Im a 29" draw. I used 50 grain hiit insert and a 100 grain broadhead. With 25 grain shock collar. I too have an 80lb bow and was getting 287 fps.
@Master Gator nobody said we had to but we want too!!
Respectfully, I shoot 80lb bc I want to, just like you shoot 40lbs less bc you want to. I could quite easily type some justification for you here, but I can already tell that you know everything already. :)
Best wishes!
Im the same way man, I dont judge anyone by how they shoot there bows. If u can shoot 80lbs do it! If u wanna shoot 40 lbs do it!!
Thanks for the review, great info. Came for the review, but the uncle joe stimulus comments were other level. Canadian btw. Cheers.
Thanks man 🤣
Have you tried a glued on outsert with the Valkyrie Jagger broadheads/field points?
No sorry I have not.
People repeat what they hear...have not them break any more than any other arrow...have no problem with the easton insert. But trying new things is fun...have had no issues on hogs or deer.
I agree 100% I just shot total archery challenge with them and only broke 2 so im really happy with how they perform. What insert do u use?
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors i use the stock ones....I don't get crazy with foc weight which weakens the arrow..I always say, before all this crazy heavy FOC stuff what did we kill with? Are women and teenagers killing elk with magic since they are not shooting 85lbs with 700 grain arrows at 120 yards? I kill animals with axis arrows with 100 to 125 grain broadheads. For all my arrows I want accuracy, penetration and forgiveness. Most heavy arrows drop like crazy. I refuse long shots. I will work on getting closer before I take a shot. With my injections I do not use outserts because I dislike them. Love the channel! Keep up the good work! I may try the ones your trying out.
Thanks for the feed back!! Im the same way, screw a 600 grain arrow. Totally unnecessary unless in Africa. Ill be around 490 this year for whitetail 🤙🤙
What specific field points do you use with the deep six inserts from iron will?
Easton deep six field tips. Or the iron will ones.
Could someone tell me more about the Iron Will insert? I am building arrows only for a few years. I am going to be shooting Iron Will single bevel broadhead this year. I started using the maxima red sd 350. 30" draw. One bow 60# second bow 65#. Getting older. Need something for deer 30 yards and in.
All u have to know if the inside diameter of your arrow shafts then u can match that to the grain weight you want to achieve on the iron will website. Or u can call them and they might be able to walk through it.
Great vid.
Thanks bud!
Great vid thanks
Thank you!
Have you shot any of victory's vap line?
I did last year but struggled to find them in the correct spine due to Covid.
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors shupachs in jackson has a big line of the vap series. They sell pre fletched vap elites and tkos in a 4 fletch with bohing heat vanes. They are well done and very consistent. Little bit of a ride for you but they have the most complete shop ive been to in Southern Michigan
@@jordanpowell228 i need to see if they have it in a 250 or 260 spine.
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors i can almost guarantee you they do. If you haven't been to their shop its definitely worth going. The sell hoyt, mathews, pse, bowtech, a few bear bows, and recently started carrying prime. For arrows they carry black eagle, easton, carbon express, and victory but definitely carry more options for the victory line than anything else
Awesome, im gonna give them a call!
new 3031 easton axis 4mm arrows vs victory vap .166 (been out for years) sounds the same
Yeah, pretty much, would be nice to compare them!
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors www.victoryarchery.com/vap-hunting-arrow/
I shoot 28inch 60-75 v1 vap 350 elite that is 7.8gr per inch with 95gr titanium inserts and 100gr tip come out avg 427gr arrows and FOC 18.5% with 70# bow I have to shoot 5 spots ok I will destroy them
titanium doesn't really bend it tends to just snap.
Interesting
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors it's a very brittle metal unless heated up.
@@fr8cture I just heated one up yesterday cherry red to pull out of one of the 4mm arrows 😂
Do you have one for fishing?
What?
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors I mean for fishing bolts
I have not tried this for fishing, no.
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors Thank you sir. Do you think I can find for fishing? Or do you have any links for that?
I'm an IW fan for sure. But giving the Easton Titanium outsert a negative for being $40/6 is ridiculous when your IW setup is $60/6. Come on bro.
Yeah but u dont have to buy the shock collers if you dont want too. So comparing the insert cost, yes the easton is way more expensive.
@@MichiganGreatOutdoors not really considering one you get to buy normal thread pattern broadheads and one you have to buy deep 6, which are more expensive and can't be used with any other setup. Also most source agree that not adding a collar to a deep 6 setup is recipe for disaster. This is because the shaft inside the arrow is so small that it is very prone to breaking without a support system added such as a collar.
I run the IW system in .204 size so I'm a fan, Buy I'm just saying, just be transparent.
Thanks for the feedback, I value it!
You said thank Joe for the check, well you are going to pay it back though your income tax check
@@garthweathersby9426 yup, and all the inflation I took right up the rear!!
Thank uncle joe? You lost me there
Joe Biden stimulus money
Democrat.
I sure didn’t get any of it just in the group that pays it back we’re in the rabbit hole now we’re never going to get out of this hole. Trillions and trillions in debt man they should just write your everyday citizens offs as well But oh wait that’s not practical. Some people if they don’t pay the correct amount would get put in prison but they don’t pay theirs back they get an award and the media will cover it 😂
WHo me? Naw