Not so fun fact: it is actually considered a psychological disease. The kid did the right thing in realizing his urges and going to get help as there are programs that are basically like a rehab for people like him. The key thing is that it’s for people who haven’t acted on it so those who have are 100% criminals who deserve to be locked up
Is it possible to rehab him? I mean pedophilia is a sexual orientation and if that could be changed, all those conversion camps for homosexuals wouldn't be a useless nonsense. So if homosexuality can't be changed, why should any other sexuality be different?
honestly its why I don't think criminalizing that kinda of *art* that is completely fictional will do anything but make those people who have urges take it out on real kids.
@@kaiseremotion854I can definitely see it both ways. One could argue it gives them a release, but then another argument is that it makes them eventually want more, because the images just aren’t enough at that point.
@@kaiseremotion854if u look up the studies of just p*rn in general the more it’s consumed the more desensitized they get and start looking for more violent versions of it.
@ Yea, but I see it similarly as having Gun Ranges. A release for those who want to use Guns(images) responsibly. but those who don't will probably have done it without those sources of (safe) release.
When people understand they’re sick and seek the help they need, those are the ones I root for. This was such a sad episode because he should’ve been allowed to get the help he needed
A couple of days ago I watched a bodycam video of a mother of a small child and a 4 weeks old baby who called the cops because she felt overwhelmed and like hurting herself and her children. She asked for help. She was sent to some institution and released right away back to her kids. A couple of days later she called 911 again because she had beaten her baby to death... She was failed by everyone. They didn't listen to her and didn't get her the help needed. Typical in that country.
I was working in a Detox/Rehab center that also took care of patients with anxiety and depression. A patient came in who had a history of OCD (which is a form of severe anxiety, *though it is completely different from just severe anxiety. It's a different diagnosis altogether). He went to the police because he began to have thoughts of abusing a young male relative and wanted to be jailed for having these thoughts. The police brought him to the hospital, who brought him to us. He was almost sobbing, just waiting for us to admit him. He wanted help so he wouldn't hurt anyone. He was very nice. *edit Jan 19, 2025
Chances are he had POCD (pedophile OCD) since you mention he had a history of OCD. Pedophile OCD is a common theme that is misunderstood even by "professionals" in mental health who should know better. There are professionals who know the difference between pedophilia and OCD, but you may not find one on the first try. I was lucky I guess. I was diagnosed with OCD by a mental health professional and POCD was my theme for years. It's hell.
@@emilycryder1096 pocd is so sad and scary. it makes me wonder how many ppl who never sought help for their mental issues couldve avoided becoming actual pedos.
@@tracylopez5363 there are non offending pedophiles who do seek professional help because they don't want to offend.. Unfortunately they're often reported due to mandatory reporting laws.
They handled this in the worst possible way. The kid comes and says he has urges he does not want to act on and the police then PROCEEDED TO BASICALLY EGG HIM ON. Jesus I hope the real police are at least remotely better than this.
That he does not want to act on those urges doesn't really mean anything He's sick and there's nothing he could do I'd say the police did the right thing by telling his family to watch out for him
@@SuperiorJango-iu5xo that's not true, chemical castration has proven to be effective at stopping sexual desire so there's no temptation to harm children.
they're worse. i will say the kid definitely should have sought therapy over going to the police, but he was 16 and didn't have many options. there should be easier ways to access therapy for this stuff.
I had a cousin who found himself in this situation, ultimately committed suicide. As near as anyone can tell, he never abused anyone, and no one ever found evidence that he was ever abused by anyone. I never interacted with him personally, but family discussions over the years and shared research during those discussions revealed that my cousin did everything he possibly could to mitigate his urges. He secretly spent his own money to see a psychiatrist, and this was before the ACA, so it was all out of pocket. He had a large collection of artwork on his computer, but no real photos. I learned about terms like ‘hentai’, ‘lolicon’, and ‘Rule 34’ for the first time as the family tried to understand what had happened. From what I remember, he actually had it pretty well under control, no one suspected, but when his parents discovered his collection when they took his computer to a PC shop without his knowledge to get it upgraded as a high school graduation gift, he was forced to essentially ‘come out’, got kicked out of the house, and committed suicide not long after.
Woah. That's heavy. I'm so sorry about your cousin. He didn't deserve to die. Certainly not all alone like that. I'm sure you aunt and uncle must've been a wreck when they found out. I hope that your family is healing and can move on from such a terrible loss.
@leeammorris1268 sadly, no one really talks about him anymore in recent years, mainly due to the whole QAnon pedophile ring stuff. The conservative members of the family like his parents pretend he didn’t exist, and any attempt to bring him up at family gatherings of remembrance brings only hostility, denial, and the spouting of ‘liberal indoctrination’ conspiracy bullshit to shut down any meaningful conversation.
It's a small world. I had a cousin who offed himself too. The family had tried throughout his life to be that help he needed. But he always knew and told everyone that he is going to unblock himself. You can try to be there for them but a man's path is theirs to walk.
@bigfrankfraser1391 That's what I love about this program, the acting is top notch. You can really feel the emotion, especially where the mother finds her dead son. Nearly brought a tear to my eyes. What a top quality show!!!!
I remember listening to a podcast interviewing an anonymized mother and son who were trying to treat this in the son. He admitted it to his psychologist who admitted she had no idea what to do, and there was no guidance anywhere for treating those who hadn't offended yet. So they agreed to bring his mother in as his 'safety person' to almost be like his sponsor except obviously she does not have the issue. After they worked together to form a group of anonymous online people who suffer from that attraction but don't want to. They said they've been pretty good at self policing and lots of psychologists have been donating their time to provide free sessions and help to try and form some type of actual rehabilitation plan/guidance for non offenders. The boy said one of the rules the group has agreed on together is to never be a parent, and to never be alone with a child. Everyone has to agree to these rules to stay in the group as no one has been successfully 'healed'. Sometimes I think about this group and hope they've made progress in finding a path to rehabilitation. I can't imagine walking around knowing there's a part of you that wants to hurt someone so badly, and so desperately not wanting to at the same time.
This is one of the worst handlings of mental disorders I've ever seen. As soon as a mental disorder becomes gross or weird to people, they forget that it is a medical condition and not just a choice. What are people like him who do exist in real life supposed to do to get help if they can't go "I have bad thoughts, I never have and don't want to act on them, help me" without this bullshit?
@@danielegarotti7884That's not what the classification says. It's classified as a psychological disease/disorder in the DSM-5. It's clearly a terrible disorder nobody wants, and we need to deeply help and treat those with it who desperately want help.
@@danielegarotti7884 It is. Molesting children, I agree you can't go any deeper down the hole of depravity when it comes to inflicting this kind of violence towards kids, but it is indeed a mental disorder, and like Mike in this episode, who was able to identify that there was something "wrong" with him, and I don't mean in a moral sense, but a mental sense. I believe that people who act upon these urges, like any form of assault, are wholly in the wrong and are disgusting people, but people who are able to realize somethings going on in their head and know not to act upon these urges, thats nothing short of heroic.
I hope they handled these kind of situations better in later seasons bc this is horrible. He knew what he was feeling was wrong AND ASKED FOR HELP. And instead of getting him that help and being kinder to him bc he asked for help without first being caught, they treat him like that and likely will make him think twice about asking for help next time if what he needs help with is not socially acceptable
Yeah but I don't blame him for what he did and I wonder if the news did get a hold of the situation I kind of wonder if people would be okay with him doing it people knowing that their kids are on this website being showed off like that then again I don't know people anymore and I'm not saying what he did was right but I don't know how I would handle that situation if it was my son especially because he's autistic.
He beat up the man cause he released photos of his daughter as a child to the internet for other pedos to look at any father would’ve done what stabler did
@@mariafox9226 ''it does sound an awful lot like he only claimed to have touched a child so he could be locked up and prevented from actually harming a kid, since the cops refused to get him psychiatric help.'' Since they couldn't find any actual victims, it's heavily implied that he didn't actually abuse anyone!
Stabler is an awful cop and a terrible man painted as the good guy only because there are worse cops out there. He should have never been allowed to "protect" anyone.
The term benevolent pedophile is very much a real thing and needs to be looked up by people before they demonize this kid. The difference between them and the ones who actually do it is that they know it’s wrong and they need help they desperately do not want to be this way, but they are. Please do your research before you judge others.
unfortunately its easier for somone to bring out the pitchforks....because fear wins over reason almost every time. then you got gas lighters online that try to encourege violent vigilanty justice (despite the condemmed not actually doing anything) so they can look like some kind of fucking badass and not caring about the facts. which only makes things worse...these idiots dont realize by rooting and stamping out rehabilitation and treatment efforts for non offenders,they arent doing society any favors,they are only putting children at higher risk.
I’ve never heard of that term. I can’t say I’ve heard much of anything about them; I generally don’t think I’d trust them, but I admit I don’t know anything about how they work or how they wired or what exactly it is that makes them so different. Most guys kind of reject these people because they’re a risk to our society. Not a risk to us, but a risk to our kids, and we’re wired in such a way as to want to limit our children’s exposure to risk or adversity.
@@Lucas-gm3bv I understand your perspective as well and I’m glad you were open to comment without being disrespectful. I agree with you about not trusting them around kids too. Supervision is absolutely necessary if you know somebody like that. You wouldn’t leave an addict alone with drugs, and you wouldn’t leave a liquor bottle unattended around an alcoholic, so of course these people shouldn’t be left unsupervised with children. These are people who know they have a problem and are willing to receive and actively seeking help with a serious mental illness. Offenders should be punished wholeheartedly. I also think in the case of somebody with urges who isn’t acting on it, we need to point them towards help and rehabilitation. Get to the root cause for the urges without condemning them the way we do active offenders. Ideally make it clear that you won’t be judged for your urges as long as you acknowledge they’re wrong and seek help.
I saw an episode just like this on Chicago Med: same type of person with the same problem. To me this is the most brave thing a person, confessing their demons no matter how sick or abnormal they are and asking for help.
The only way to prevent children getting hurt is creating spaces where these sick people can get the help they need to overcome this. They did a terrible job
There is no “overcoming” these attractions. We do not understand enough about genetics and human sexuality to know how to help these people. This could be the result of” genetic mutation, abuse, etc. doctors and scientist still have a lot of research to do. However, we do know that certain medications and therapies can help people manage the condition.
@ Overcome- succeed in dealing with (a problem or difficulty). Manage- succeed in surviving or in attaining one's aims, especially against heavy odds; cope. you said the same thing with extra steps
@ it’s not funny. it’s sad. that’s why I used the crying emoji (😭). he’s crying because he’s sad. I think you might be confusing it with this emoji (😂) which is crying laughing. hope that helps
@@symbolguy3609wouldn’t that kind of ‘violation’ be catastrophic? I mean, you can’t just have a baseball bat up there and then walk away, can you? Did the guy in the movie survive the incident? I can’t even imagine how you survive that.
I'm not from the US. Here in Europe / Switzerland there are programs, that will help, they even run ads on TV. Prevention instead of punishment is the right course of action imo.
I remember seeing a guy on here who called himself a “virtuous p***” because he said he had never and would never act on it and recognized it was a mental illness. He even created a space online to support others who would never act on their impulses to encourage a sense of community and accountability. I really respect someone who recognizes it is an issue and refuses to justify acting on it. He got a ton of hate sadly and I hope he’s doing okay these days still standing firm on the good side of his struggle.
He realized he had a serious problem. He sought help. He did the right thing. If you dont offend then you have done nothing wrong. You cant control how your brain is broken, but you can control your actions and asking for help. The guy who was posting pics of kids on the net was offending and helping others offend.
I felt Sorry for him ,he wanted help and to not Give in to his urges,This was a upsetting Episode, Glad the Stepdad was going to Prison,it is where he belonged no sympathy for him
@@JordyneBentham the old guy in the store killed the kid. The stepfather however sodomized the kid first In “revenge” The reason the store guy killed him was that he bragged about victimizing another kid. And actually doing something. Breaking the rule ‘look. Don’t touch.’
One of the more depressing endings in the series. He snapped and rped a little boy, only he was killed before the detectives could question him and weren’t able to find the victim. So that abused little boy is out there with no way to get the psychological help he needs.
evidence actually suggests he didn't really touch anyone, he was just desperate to be kept away from kids. he just didn't anticipate the PDF running the website going for vigilante justice.
Yeah, I remember that ending. I thought this video was that episode. I was confused when the mom found him dead, because I remember a different ending. I thought I was crazy for misremembering it. Tq for this.
I'm confused... so this teenager rped a little boy before he was found dead by his mom? Because they didn't show that in this video, unless I missed something? Or are you talking about another episode?
More than likely he suffers from POCD. Pedophilia OCD. There is also homosexual ocd for which I have suffered. I had a male coworker who I was close with and one day I thought “he is really good looking, what if I’m attracted to him”. That one thought set off my ocd. I had intrusive thoughts for a year that I tried to ignore that caused me severe anxiety and distress. The solution is to accept the thoughts and just tell yourself, they’re only that.
Nobody's mentioned it yet but the actor who played Jake Berlin played "The Tooth Fairy" serial killer in the first adaptation of the Thomas Harris novel The Red Dragon (titled "Manhunter") directed by Michael Mann in 1986 (Brian Cox played Hannibal Lecter.)
If someone begs for help, I'm not saying to take everything at entirely face value. Do make sure that potential victims are unharmed. Consider actually helping, instead of egging them on and tearing their life apart.
I felt really bad for Eric Byers. All he wanted was for SVU to help him so he didn't hurt anyone, and unfortunately, there wasn't anything they could do at this time except put him in prison. He didn't deserve to die. Certainly not the way he died either. Honestly, this might sound crazy, but I like to imagine that Eric made up the story about molesting that kid on the pedophile blog thing, whatever it's called. I mean think about it. They never found the boy that Eric supposedly abused, and knowing Olivia, she would've searched night and day until she found him and got him the help that he needed. Maybe Eric just wanted to die at the hands of his mentor. The only person who understood what he was going through. If so, that makes his death just that much sadder.😢😢
I actually believe that too it just doesn't make sense to me why no one would come forward I guess I can understand maybe they're scared but knowing that who did it to them is gone why would they be scared then
@@krissyseay8338 some people are scared to admit they've been abused, especially children who don't understand that the bad feelings are not because they did something wrong.
@@ohwormman sometimes young children arent even old enough to be aware they were abused and see it as normal behavior....which makes it even more difficult to deal with because there are no bad feelings.
@dakotastein9499 its so upsetting to think about, for sure. i will always advocate for trying to fix the cycle of abuse but the moment someone has continued it i just see red. it gets even harder when you consider things like COCSA, because it gets so hard to consider if that child understood what they were doing to another.
I feel bad for him. He just needed professional help, I'm glad he turned himself in to the police as a starter before acting on it or a serious problem than that will occur, but, these polices are too hard on him...
Problem is that female pedophiles are hardly ever reported in the media. So we don’t exactly know how this will play out. And of course you also have the fact that most people believe that women don’t harm kids.
There was an episode of an adult woman and boy Last I remember she got treated since she had a condition causing her urges but never faced any charges nor anything along the lines like what happened to this kid Sooo yeah
This is genuinely so sad. It's clearly OCD. The cops handled this so bad but its the truth in America unfortunately. It's scary to have people in the world that think like this and in reality if you think about it, scaring people who think like this just makes things worse. Then people don't ask for help. Their symptoms get worse and then guess what happens. The system is only in favor of those who are "normal". Sadly, if I was the mother in this case, I wouldn't hesitate to remove my child from that house. It's too risky.
So he turned himself in becayse he was SCARED he would hurt a child and they punished him instead of helping him?! He couldve provided so much psychological insight to stopping REAL predetors.
The pedophile posting picture of Children on the Internet was the one who murdered Eric because he found out that Eric did touch a kid. The episode ends with the SVU holding a conference with the media in order to find Eric’s victim, but with no success.
I wonder if he just said that so that way he could have gotten arrested or something because it is odd that nobody came forward why would nobody come forward unless they're scared I guess but then the kid was dead so I don't know
I remember seeing this episode for the first time, and i was absolutely HIT. The idea of a teenage PDF file recognizing their urges early and trying to turn themselves in only to be so utterly failed by everyone and ultimately ending themselves so no innocent child would be hurt 😢 Also, the creep trying to normalize PDF behavior and comparing it to LGBT was shockingly ahead of its time, considering the sick movement of "minor attracted persons" we've seen in recent years 🤢
@@wintersbabyy no, it isn't. he hadn't offended yet, his life still had value had he actually gotten the help he was asking for. there are many avenues of treatment they could have explored.
One of the goals of the MAPS moment is to destigmatize pedophilia, NOT in support of pedophilia but in an attempt to prevent abuse of a child. The ideal is that if such attractions were to be destigmatized, that it would lead to more individuals who are inflicted by such feelings to voluntarily come forward and seek help on NOT acting on those feelings, thus preventing harm of a child beforehand. It is the same concept with destigmatizing mental health so that more people who suffer from mental health issues will be more likely to seek help in treating their condition before it leads to harm. Though, to be honest, the MAPS moment does come with problems.
I honestly can't stand this episode the poor kid comes to them for help because he doesn't want to hurt anyone or give in to his urges towards his brother and yet they're treating him like he's already done something and all he wanted was help seriously this episode is making my stomach turn
yeah, even craigen went easy on him, he knew exactly why stabler did what he did, he forced him to turn his gun and badge in but at least in this clip he doesn't raise his voice or even scold him
saw on my national tv a guy that talked about his interest. He realized them as a young man. He knew it was bad and was scared of what he could do. He sought counsel and treatment but he was told he could not get any for free unless he committed a crime (SA), like how it is explained here. He did not want to harm children so his solution? he talked with his face not hidden on tv and made sure everyone around him knew so they could take measures to protect their kids (besides him keeping himself in check). btw dude was not in the US.
While that is really brave of him. I hope no sick ppl will kill him and justify it because that dude has those urge when he is trying his best not to commit the act. I guess the only real way, is to not let them be close to kids, or worse, let them be alone with kids.
It must have been terrifying being in this teens position. He knew coming out with this would have likely destroyed his life, and that's exactly what happened. He was doomed the second his went into the police station. Granted, I feel like the detectives did a frankly terrible job at 'helping' him until it was too late. Tragic situation all around.
She said she killed her son, why don't those 'mistake of a FBI' or whatever, Hold her hostage and interrogate her like they did to her son??? Someone felt guilty for feeling the urge to commit pedophilia, walked up to you, confided in you because he really didn't want to do it in as much as he felt otherwise. You in your authority made him feel more guilty and ashamed of himself more than he already his. If you refuse to help or support him in overcoming this phase he heartfully wanted to overcome, but instead, you threatened him with imprisonment and stuffs like that, how will he face the society now the authority has branded him an abomination? So I won't be surprised if what we just saw last is a suicide case. The kid was no predator, no, he was a fighter. He was fighting his weakness and hell it fought back, (it always does) making him more miserable, he needed your help to overcome it, but instead you fought him too. Now it's 2 against 1. Congrats! he's been defeated and now he is a victim.
And this was also during the fallout of Casey's censure. Greylek notes that the standards of getting a search warrant got higher because of it so of course they were floundering throughout the whole case.
People who argue that people who want help and come forward getting help should instead be arrested and locked up are idiots. If everyone who wanted help and ask for help is treated like that kid then no one would ask for help. And those people isolated will likely either seek out other who are isolated or stew in their own desires. Both cases are far more likely to lead to children getting hurt. And keeping kids safe is the most important thing. If you want to punish those who have done nothing because of their desires and no other reason, you are supporting kids being hurt in return for you to fufill your bloodthirsty wishes.
You know what I would like to see SVU do an episode on a pedophile Camp based around the concept of those gay camps but one by scientifical psychiatric professionals who teach for your own good and Society not to act any Criminal type of urges.I hear there's an actual controversy in the psychiatric community if being attracted to Children it should be considered a disease or an abnormal sexuality not get there and disagreements that acting upon it physically should be illegal.
I almost threw up my dinner when that guy said "I admit I like......... angels" 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 and he also added their age to it. Its just a 10 minute video but its extremely difficult to sit through
I really enjoyed this episode - it brought up some very important points: there was nowhere for him to go to get help, help was only offered *after* he committed a crime. The young man did an excellent job acting as a terrified and hurting young guy. Elliot, as usual, pissed me off because his first response is "time to go kill a guy" and none of his team mates bothered to actually be disgusted by his actions - Olivia was very "but it was his daughters photo so that excuses him beating that man to a pulp". Yes, the guy was gross, but wow this show never did not make the police not look like overly aggressive, lying assholes who threaten people and who will do pretty much anything to cover their own asses. Anyway, the woman who played the mother, her acting at the end when she was losing it afterwards was so good!
This episode actually really opened my eyes to the whole issue and made me realize that yeah dude, pedos don’t choose to feel the way they feel. That doesn’t mean I have any sympathy whatsoever if they act on their urges and hurt children but it made me realize that if we actually want to truly protect kids from predators, then maybe we need to find ways to treat or at least help suppress the urges of these guys BEFORE they harm any children
@@VenjaminYes, it is. The notion that these people are unable to control themselves is ridiculous. Only because pedos are usually male do these silly excuses come out. Lack of self control is something we really need to stop trying to give men passes for.
I remember watching this episode and it made me realize a pattern with Olivia she never investigated before being biased soon as the case came across her desk that person was guilty in her eyes now go back and watch episodes and you will see how many lives she ruined by publicly accusing people in front of they employers families etc then they turned out to be innocent
Elliot Stabler was suspended yrs ago back in season 2 for telling a shrink that he fantasized about killing pedophiles. I don’t understand why that makes stabler a bad guy for having such fantasies and require further evaluation just for saying that. Isn’t fantasizing that kind of thing show where his heart is and his loving concern for helpless children. There are many instances that I don’t like stabler but one thing I do know: He protects children.
@ sweetheart, they were regular human beings way before they became cops and detectives. Those feelings were there before becoming cops and they still have them after.
Inward and outward affirmation is a key ingredient to having peace. There are as many benefits to making yourself feel better as there are to doing that for someone else.
im not saying for all of them, but there needs to be a screening process for people who act on those urges, because sometimes its genuine mental illness, there was this lad in my town, he had developmental issues, he was 35 but was fully convinced he was 10, ended up feeling up a 7 year old girl, after 3 years in prisons his doctor won an appeal and got the guy sent to a psych ward for treatment, guy was in the room next to mine, i was in the ward due to cotards sydrome (not fun at all) guy was super sweet and kind, genuinely made you feel all paternal around him
I'm not tryin to excuse the behavior but I'm glad the majority if not all the comments are sympathetic to the young teen!! On other platforms you typically see people wanting to put people like this on the gallows without trying to at least reason out why or how they could end up in those situations. While we'll never really know if Eric actually touched a child or not it really does speak upon getting people with these urges help before they hurt someone and ultimately themselves for the terrible acts. While I think it can shift dynamics for family and relationships it's upmost better to have some neutral understanding and support to rehabilitate// heal those so no one has to suffer
Everybody failed that boy. He was clearly an intelligent and compassionate child who was able to understand right from wrong, but didn't know how to process or handle unmanaged thoughts and feelings. Every adult in that episode was a failure, and as much as it hurts to acknowledge, even his mother failed him. She was supposed to be the advocate he needed. That department would have a major lawsuit on it's hands.
As a medical professional (in Europe) I find this episode and 'police work' depicted utterly disgusting and unprofessional. Sexual orientation by itself isn't a crime, at least in civilised world. The young protagonist should've been delegated to a specialized sexuologist immediately. There, he should've received counseling how to 'cope' in day to day life and live productive happy life, non-criminally, with his paraphilic diagnosis. Medication (for the 'urges') also exists, but has severe side effects (especially in adolescents) and isn't recommended for non-offending pacients.
Side effects aren't that severe. Sure you can't go the path of administering hormones to reduce urges in adolescents, but you still can go the path of administering SSRIs. There's a real precedent for using them for that purpose given their side effects, it's just a case of finding which specific SSRI will inflict it for the individual.
I know how he feels. And I cope by putting it on fictional characters only. This way, I get it out and become capable of thinking of litterally anything else.
@falren I am in therapy. And as for seeking God...This is a material world problem, so it's probably better solved materially, through science. If the problem was prejudice on the other hand, then I could turn to Him to stop it. I'm not pinning the reported cases as of late on Him, I know He's above that. But Virgin Maria was 14. They use that as an excuse. The mindset is as old as society. Jesus can't snap it away, and the religious people may advice against it, but they won't give me the means to fight it.
@@BrunoPA-f2vkeep going and try everything you can. Please u can. Even as a non pdf if someone is attracted to someone they can choose to stop. Adults attracted to other adults stop when its not corresponded, they know a no is a no. A child can never correspond bc they cant comprehend. They cant stop it. But you can. If an adult attacted to another adult doesnt rpe them after the other says no or cannot say yes. Why cant a pdf stop from abusing a child? You can stop it. You are stopping it.
Prevention is everything. If anybody really wants to help the kids you should be preaching prevention till your voice hurts, remove the stigma and get these people help.
some people develop pedophilia in response to a brain tumor, there really is almost certainly a biological component to it just like there is to any sexual orientation.... it's just that this one is never one that can ever be condoned. There are ways maybe like people with certain syndromes that make them look really young but are biologically adults as long as both parties consent but otherwise..... I really wish we could do studies on this so we could maybe develop a cure through TMS or something, no one should have to struggle to deny who they are, that's a certain kind of hell I don't wish on anyone innocent
I don't think finding a cure is the way, if that even is possible. You describe it as an orientation, so what does that mean for people who actually have normal orientations? What does that mean for non straight folk? Homophobia ain't going away any time soon, and the moment you open up that rabbithole, you can never close it again. I believe that people, on average, are good. If someone is reasonably certain that they won't do something, they likely won't. If someone truly understands the harm their actions can bring, then as reasonable human beings do, they will not act. All they need to do is never tell anyone because their choice to speak would cause harm. If you discover your friend or family member is like this, you won't just be like "oh", you'll probably second-guess every moment you spent around this person; even if they tell you they've never done anything, you will still understandably suspect them no matter what. By saying anything, they will have inflicted harm via distress. They will have to struggle in silence, even if they seek professional help there is the possibility that the psychiatrist will simply refuse to take the individual as a patient; or worse, contact law enforcement and have the person arrested or accosted by the police. We as a society have made it so that for these people the only way out is for them to take their life. That's how it is, and it won't change any time soon. Society (and by extension, us) tacitly agrees with this and that's why things are this way.
In reality he could have admitted himself to treatment. What people don’t know is that Offenders are frequently sent to treatment as part of their sentence - but those with urges can also admit themselves to treatment as well, with no criminal penalty. These programs are designed to help but because the stigma surrounding offenders is so high a lot of people don’t get the help they need before it’s too late.
I mean, why couldn't they send him to a psychologist? It's urges, so it's different than actually doing it. The kid clearly needed help, and was very smart for telling them that. I don't understand why they couldn't think of that.
I remember this episode. Somebody asked that question, and someone said pedophiles can't get help in New York until they've offended. By then it might be too late. A monster has been released.
Themistocles of Athens saved Western civilization at the Battle of Salamis. He also competed with another adult man, Aristides, for the affection of a little boy. Should the man without whom Western civilization-including the US-wouldn't exist have been murdered by his own mother?
I felt so bad for this kid, he was scared and just wanted someone to help him
I felt so bad for him too. 💔
not to mention, that they were treating him like he was a monster even thought he was just a kid.
@@jakecaswell7364a “kid” who touched a younger kid
Yea me too. I wonder how people like that go about asking and getting help IRL? What does that 'help' even look like? Can they be helped?
Felt bad for him? R u serious right now? He had sexual fantasies about children. It's possible he already molested a kid before he was killed.
Not so fun fact: it is actually considered a psychological disease.
The kid did the right thing in realizing his urges and going to get help as there are programs that are basically like a rehab for people like him.
The key thing is that it’s for people who haven’t acted on it so those who have are 100% criminals who deserve to be locked up
Is it possible to rehab him? I mean pedophilia is a sexual orientation and if that could be changed, all those conversion camps for homosexuals wouldn't be a useless nonsense. So if homosexuality can't be changed, why should any other sexuality be different?
honestly its why I don't think criminalizing that kinda of *art* that is completely fictional will do anything but make those people who have urges take it out on real kids.
@@kaiseremotion854I can definitely see it both ways. One could argue it gives them a release, but then another argument is that it makes them eventually want more, because the images just aren’t enough at that point.
@@kaiseremotion854if u look up the studies of just p*rn in general the more it’s consumed the more desensitized they get and start looking for more violent versions of it.
@ Yea, but I see it similarly as having Gun Ranges. A release for those who want to use Guns(images) responsibly. but those who don't will probably have done it without those sources of (safe) release.
When people understand they’re sick and seek the help they need, those are the ones I root for. This was such a sad episode because he should’ve been allowed to get the help he needed
Exactly!! I felt bad for him cause he literally ask for help and knows is wrong!
I think it was due to the time period, since there were no rehabs/known rehabs for people with bad urges and wanted help.
A couple of days ago I watched a bodycam video of a mother of a small child and a 4 weeks old baby who called the cops because she felt overwhelmed and like hurting herself and her children. She asked for help. She was sent to some institution and released right away back to her kids. A couple of days later she called 911 again because she had beaten her baby to death...
She was failed by everyone. They didn't listen to her and didn't get her the help needed. Typical in that country.
@@Romy--- what country? America is no different
I root for them to get better even if they HAVE acted out. I don't hate them like most people do.
My god the cops in this episode handled this so badly, it's almost impressive
😂😂😂
They do that with basically anything involving mental health tbh.
So it’s accurate 😂
I mean the cops skipping past useless and right into actively making everything worse is pretty accurate to real life.
Pretty realistic!
I was working in a Detox/Rehab center that also took care of patients with anxiety and depression. A patient came in who had a history of OCD (which is a form of severe anxiety, *though it is completely different from just severe anxiety. It's a different diagnosis altogether). He went to the police because he began to have thoughts of abusing a young male relative and wanted to be jailed for having these thoughts. The police brought him to the hospital, who brought him to us. He was almost sobbing, just waiting for us to admit him.
He wanted help so he wouldn't hurt anyone. He was very nice.
*edit Jan 19, 2025
Chances are he had POCD (pedophile OCD) since you mention he had a history of OCD. Pedophile OCD is a common theme that is misunderstood even by "professionals" in mental health who should know better. There are professionals who know the difference between pedophilia and OCD, but you may not find one on the first try. I was lucky I guess.
I was diagnosed with OCD by a mental health professional and POCD was my theme for years. It's hell.
@@emilycryder1096thank you for sharing; I truly hope you're able to get the help you need, and by the sounds of it want! (((HUGS)))
First thought was OCD. No true pedophile would admit this and try to get help. specially a 16 year old. its a sad case.
@@emilycryder1096 pocd is so sad and scary. it makes me wonder how many ppl who never sought help for their mental issues couldve avoided becoming actual pedos.
@@tracylopez5363 there are non offending pedophiles who do seek professional help because they don't want to offend.. Unfortunately they're often reported due to mandatory reporting laws.
They handled this in the worst possible way. The kid comes and says he has urges he does not want to act on and the police then PROCEEDED TO BASICALLY EGG HIM ON. Jesus I hope the real police are at least remotely better than this.
believe it or not they’re actually worse
That he does not want to act on those urges doesn't really mean anything
He's sick and there's nothing he could do
I'd say the police did the right thing by telling his family to watch out for him
@@SuperiorJango-iu5xo
Yea but couldn't they at least have gotten him some sort of help
@@SuperiorJango-iu5xo that's not true, chemical castration has proven to be effective at stopping sexual desire so there's no temptation to harm children.
they're worse. i will say the kid definitely should have sought therapy over going to the police, but he was 16 and didn't have many options. there should be easier ways to access therapy for this stuff.
When his mother found him deceased her screaming and crying was so heartbreaking
that was some emmy-worthy acting, seriously
she'd make a fortune in horror movies with her scream
@@UMewMew Tell that to Jamie Lee Curtis!
I had a cousin who found himself in this situation, ultimately committed suicide. As near as anyone can tell, he never abused anyone, and no one ever found evidence that he was ever abused by anyone. I never interacted with him personally, but family discussions over the years and shared research during those discussions revealed that my cousin did everything he possibly could to mitigate his urges.
He secretly spent his own money to see a psychiatrist, and this was before the ACA, so it was all out of pocket. He had a large collection of artwork on his computer, but no real photos. I learned about terms like ‘hentai’, ‘lolicon’, and ‘Rule 34’ for the first time as the family tried to understand what had happened.
From what I remember, he actually had it pretty well under control, no one suspected, but when his parents discovered his collection when they took his computer to a PC shop without his knowledge to get it upgraded as a high school graduation gift, he was forced to essentially ‘come out’, got kicked out of the house, and committed suicide not long after.
Woah. That's heavy.
I'm so sorry about your cousin. He didn't deserve to die. Certainly not all alone like that.
I'm sure you aunt and uncle must've been a wreck when they found out. I hope that your family is healing and can move on from such a terrible loss.
@leeammorris1268 sadly, no one really talks about him anymore in recent years, mainly due to the whole QAnon pedophile ring stuff. The conservative members of the family like his parents pretend he didn’t exist, and any attempt to bring him up at family gatherings of remembrance brings only hostility, denial, and the spouting of ‘liberal indoctrination’ conspiracy bullshit to shut down any meaningful conversation.
Thats so awful. Im sorry that happened
Oh my gosh that is so sad I'm really sorry that happened to him he sounded like a good person who was just going through something
It's a small world. I had a cousin who offed himself too. The family had tried throughout his life to be that help he needed. But he always knew and told everyone that he is going to unblock himself. You can try to be there for them but a man's path is theirs to walk.
still one of the most disturbing episodes theyve ever done. if they had just helped him, none of this wouldve happened
Don't worry, it's only a TV show.
@@ronaldmcdonald8303 yeah, but these situations happen all the time
@bigfrankfraser1391 That's what I love about this program, the acting is top notch. You can really feel the emotion, especially where the mother finds her dead son. Nearly brought a tear to my eyes. What a top quality show!!!!
@@bigfrankfraser1391 Don't forget, he's only an actor. He only plays the role of a child abuser!!!!
@@ronaldmcdonald8303 the acting in this show is dogshit wtf are you talking about?
I remember listening to a podcast interviewing an anonymized mother and son who were trying to treat this in the son. He admitted it to his psychologist who admitted she had no idea what to do, and there was no guidance anywhere for treating those who hadn't offended yet. So they agreed to bring his mother in as his 'safety person' to almost be like his sponsor except obviously she does not have the issue. After they worked together to form a group of anonymous online people who suffer from that attraction but don't want to. They said they've been pretty good at self policing and lots of psychologists have been donating their time to provide free sessions and help to try and form some type of actual rehabilitation plan/guidance for non offenders. The boy said one of the rules the group has agreed on together is to never be a parent, and to never be alone with a child. Everyone has to agree to these rules to stay in the group as no one has been successfully 'healed'.
Sometimes I think about this group and hope they've made progress in finding a path to rehabilitation. I can't imagine walking around knowing there's a part of you that wants to hurt someone so badly, and so desperately not wanting to at the same time.
This is amazing
This is one of the worst handlings of mental disorders I've ever seen. As soon as a mental disorder becomes gross or weird to people, they forget that it is a medical condition and not just a choice. What are people like him who do exist in real life supposed to do to get help if they can't go "I have bad thoughts, I never have and don't want to act on them, help me" without this bullshit?
It is not a medical condition
@@danielegarotti7884That's not what the classification says. It's classified as a psychological disease/disorder in the DSM-5.
It's clearly a terrible disorder nobody wants, and we need to deeply help and treat those with it who desperately want help.
@@danielegarotti7884 It is. Molesting children, I agree you can't go any deeper down the hole of depravity when it comes to inflicting this kind of violence towards kids, but it is indeed a mental disorder, and like Mike in this episode, who was able to identify that there was something "wrong" with him, and I don't mean in a moral sense, but a mental sense. I believe that people who act upon these urges, like any form of assault, are wholly in the wrong and are disgusting people, but people who are able to realize somethings going on in their head and know not to act upon these urges, thats nothing short of heroic.
@@danielegarotti7884 *it is literally listed in the DSM as a mental illness* he needs treatment immediately - not prison
@@danielegarotti7884 it is, you are just uneducated lol
I hope they handled these kind of situations better in later seasons bc this is horrible. He knew what he was feeling was wrong AND ASKED FOR HELP. And instead of getting him that help and being kinder to him bc he asked for help without first being caught, they treat him like that and likely will make him think twice about asking for help next time if what he needs help with is not socially acceptable
There isn’t gonna be a next time for a dead guy.
The whole squad bent over backwards here just to prevent Stabler from getting fired and going to jail
In real life he'd of been fired and possibly arrested years ago.
@@grt1769 not even,in real life he'd get paid leave or desk work till the media finds the next big story
Yeah because there’s no such thing as a good cop.
Yeah but I don't blame him for what he did and I wonder if the news did get a hold of the situation I kind of wonder if people would be okay with him doing it people knowing that their kids are on this website being showed off like that then again I don't know people anymore and I'm not saying what he did was right but I don't know how I would handle that situation if it was my son especially because he's autistic.
Most realistic part of Law and Order: the cop who beats everyone up gets no consequences
This was a heartbreaking episode of Law and Order SVU
It indeed was. 💔
Teri Polo is a fantastic actress that's scream she made oh my gosh
The actors who played Eric and Dana (son and mom) were fantastic!
He is Jesse Eisenberg's Brother ...
😊😊😊
Eric's mom is played by Teri Polo. She's been in several tv shows, including Little Fockers, Northern Exposure, The Fosters, and Criminal Minds.
@@Takayuki_Japanese_Manno he isn’t 🤣
He ended up dead because the cops wouldn't listen to him and get him help like he asked. Worst ending to an episode. 😔
The step father is a idiot.
Pedophiles don't ever admit thier crimes.
There really needs to be a therapy for those ask and seek help.
Stabler accused that boy of SA even though he clearly didn't act on his impulses. Then go and beat up that man. He should no be a detective.
It was revealed later that he did.
He beat up the man cause he released photos of his daughter as a child to the internet for other pedos to look at any father would’ve done what stabler did
@@mariafox9226 ''it does sound an awful lot like he only claimed to have touched a child so he could be locked up and prevented from actually harming a kid, since the cops refused to get him psychiatric help.''
Since they couldn't find any actual victims, it's heavily implied that he didn't actually abuse anyone!
Stabler is an awful cop and a terrible man painted as the good guy only because there are worse cops out there. He should have never been allowed to "protect" anyone.
@@trevorblue4531 in the end it was revealed he did. That’s why the founder of the website beat him to a bloody pulp.
The term benevolent pedophile is very much a real thing and needs to be looked up by people before they demonize this kid. The difference between them and the ones who actually do it is that they know it’s wrong and they need help they desperately do not want to be this way, but they are.
Please do your research before you judge others.
unfortunately its easier for somone to bring out the pitchforks....because fear wins over reason almost every time.
then you got gas lighters online that try to encourege violent vigilanty justice (despite the condemmed not actually doing anything) so they can look like some kind of fucking badass and not caring about the facts.
which only makes things worse...these idiots dont realize by rooting and stamping out rehabilitation and treatment efforts for non offenders,they arent doing society any favors,they are only putting children at higher risk.
Prevention is EVERYTHING.
I’ve never heard of that term. I can’t say I’ve heard much of anything about them; I generally don’t think I’d trust them, but I admit I don’t know anything about how they work or how they wired or what exactly it is that makes them so different.
Most guys kind of reject these people because they’re a risk to our society. Not a risk to us, but a risk to our kids, and we’re wired in such a way as to want to limit our children’s exposure to risk or adversity.
@@Lucas-gm3bv I understand your perspective as well and I’m glad you were open to comment without being disrespectful. I agree with you about not trusting them around kids too. Supervision is absolutely necessary if you know somebody like that.
You wouldn’t leave an addict alone with drugs, and you wouldn’t leave a liquor bottle unattended around an alcoholic, so of course these people shouldn’t be left unsupervised with children.
These are people who know they have a problem and are willing to receive and actively seeking help with a serious mental illness.
Offenders should be punished wholeheartedly. I also think in the case of somebody with urges who isn’t acting on it, we need to point them towards help and rehabilitation. Get to the root cause for the urges without condemning them the way we do active offenders. Ideally make it clear that you won’t be judged for your urges as long as you acknowledge they’re wrong and seek help.
I saw an episode just like this on Chicago Med: same type of person with the same problem. To me this is the most brave thing a person, confessing their demons no matter how sick or abnormal they are and asking for help.
Is it the one where the pedophile didn’t want to be saved from whatever disease he had, because he was tired of fighting his urge his whole life?
The only way to prevent children getting hurt is creating spaces where these sick people can get the help they need to overcome this. They did a terrible job
There is no “overcoming” these attractions. We do not understand enough about genetics and human sexuality to know how to help these people. This could be the result of” genetic mutation, abuse, etc. doctors and scientist still have a lot of research to do. However, we do know that certain medications and therapies can help people manage the condition.
@ Overcome- succeed in dealing with (a problem or difficulty).
Manage- succeed in surviving or in attaining one's aims, especially against heavy odds; cope.
you said the same thing with extra steps
@@Breeestelle they need to get out of the world
the mom finding him 😭
I remember watching this episode the first time that part always broke me 💔
How is it funny??
@ it’s not funny. it’s sad. that’s why I used the crying emoji (😭). he’s crying because he’s sad. I think you might be confusing it with this emoji (😂) which is crying laughing. hope that helps
@@katelynspeck ppl (including me) often use 😭 as a laughing emoji but like i could still tell it was meant to be crying
Wow. As a new stepdad myself, that stepdad in this episode is a disgrace and a scumbag.
Because of what he did with the baseball bat?
What happened to the stepdad??
Did he kill Eric??
@@dionrallicock4341 no, the guy who ran the website killed Eric, but the stepdad did violate Eric with a baseball bat as punishment.
@@symbolguy3609wouldn’t that kind of ‘violation’ be catastrophic? I mean, you can’t just have a baseball bat up there and then walk away, can you?
Did the guy in the movie survive the incident?
I can’t even imagine how you survive that.
I'm not from the US. Here in Europe / Switzerland there are programs, that will help, they even run ads on TV. Prevention instead of punishment is the right course of action imo.
Those programs exist here too. It's just most people don't get the help they need beforehand.
That’s really cool. I’m glad they help the ones who understand it’s wrong
I remember seeing a guy on here who called himself a “virtuous p***” because he said he had never and would never act on it and recognized it was a mental illness. He even created a space online to support others who would never act on their impulses to encourage a sense of community and accountability. I really respect someone who recognizes it is an issue and refuses to justify acting on it. He got a ton of hate sadly and I hope he’s doing okay these days still standing firm on the good side of his struggle.
Disgusting
A whole tragedy that couldve been avoided if the cops did their jobs properly. Just like real life
9:32 The mom’s scream is bone-chilling.
Phenomenal acting there
All the boy wanted was help, but all the detectives are doing to him is making him Erick feel worse
He went to the police for help & they destroyed him properly. 😔
Good lord these cops handled this situation in the absolute worst way
He realized he had a serious problem. He sought help. He did the right thing. If you dont offend then you have done nothing wrong. You cant control how your brain is broken, but you can control your actions and asking for help.
The guy who was posting pics of kids on the net was offending and helping others offend.
I felt Sorry for him ,he wanted help and to not Give in to his urges,This was a upsetting Episode,
Glad the Stepdad was going to Prison,it is where he belonged no sympathy for him
Was the step-dad a pedophile? Or did he kill the son?
@@JordyneBentham the old guy in the store killed the kid. The stepfather however sodomized the kid first In “revenge”
The reason the store guy killed him was that he bragged about victimizing another kid. And actually doing something. Breaking the rule ‘look. Don’t touch.’
@@Mitwadus did you know he was also Cain in Robocop 2?
@@Mitwadusok so the step dad raped his step son, and then the website guy killed the kid
@@ExplorerDS6789 yes.
Fun fact: The actor who plays the teen is actually 40 years old.
Like now or when the episode was filmed
I first saw this episode 2 yrs ago. I never knew this! Guy must really take care of himself.
One of the more depressing endings in the series. He snapped and rped a little boy, only he was killed before the detectives could question him and weren’t able to find the victim. So that abused little boy is out there with no way to get the psychological help he needs.
evidence actually suggests he didn't really touch anyone, he was just desperate to be kept away from kids. he just didn't anticipate the PDF running the website going for vigilante justice.
and even more unsettling....that little boy's trauma could manifest itself into him becoming an abuser as well...thus continuing the evil cycle.
Yeah, I remember that ending. I thought this video was that episode. I was confused when the mom found him dead, because I remember a different ending. I thought I was crazy for misremembering it.
Tq for this.
I'm confused... so this teenager rped a little boy before he was found dead by his mom? Because they didn't show that in this video, unless I missed something? Or are you talking about another episode?
Kid was scared of himself. Asked for help and then got blamed for something he did not do
More than likely he suffers from POCD. Pedophilia OCD. There is also homosexual ocd for which I have suffered. I had a male coworker who I was close with and one day I thought “he is really good looking, what if I’m attracted to him”. That one thought set off my ocd. I had intrusive thoughts for a year that I tried to ignore that caused me severe anxiety and distress. The solution is to accept the thoughts and just tell yourself, they’re only that.
Nobody's mentioned it yet but the actor who played Jake Berlin played "The Tooth Fairy" serial killer in the first adaptation of the Thomas Harris novel The Red Dragon (titled "Manhunter") directed by Michael Mann in 1986 (Brian Cox played Hannibal Lecter.)
If someone begs for help, I'm not saying to take everything at entirely face value. Do make sure that potential victims are unharmed. Consider actually helping, instead of egging them on and tearing their life apart.
I felt really bad for Eric Byers. All he wanted was for SVU to help him so he didn't hurt anyone, and unfortunately, there wasn't anything they could do at this time except put him in prison.
He didn't deserve to die. Certainly not the way he died either.
Honestly, this might sound crazy, but I like to imagine that Eric made up the story about molesting that kid on the pedophile blog thing, whatever it's called. I mean think about it. They never found the boy that Eric supposedly abused, and knowing Olivia, she would've searched night and day until she found him and got him the help that he needed.
Maybe Eric just wanted to die at the hands of his mentor. The only person who understood what he was going through.
If so, that makes his death just that much sadder.😢😢
I actually believe that too it just doesn't make sense to me why no one would come forward I guess I can understand maybe they're scared but knowing that who did it to them is gone why would they be scared then
I actually thought that too a little while back, that perhaps Eric made it up so that the police would lock him up and he could get help.
@@krissyseay8338 some people are scared to admit they've been abused, especially children who don't understand that the bad feelings are not because they did something wrong.
@@ohwormman sometimes young children arent even old enough to be aware they were abused and see it as normal behavior....which makes it even more difficult to deal with because there are no bad feelings.
@dakotastein9499 its so upsetting to think about, for sure. i will always advocate for trying to fix the cycle of abuse but the moment someone has continued it i just see red. it gets even harder when you consider things like COCSA, because it gets so hard to consider if that child understood what they were doing to another.
There are people saying he has POCD and honestly I don’t think so. But he felt so guilty about his thoughts. I couldn’t imagine how awful he felt.
Man this episode was really, really disturbing.
There 100% are programs and rehabilitation facilities for if someone has urges to harm others.
Exactly. Whether it is having those urges or wanting to do self harm, they have to get the help they need. Regardless if they act on those or not.
Now that looks like a good episode
Top notch acting from the mother
And Teri Polo appeared on a Criminal Minds episode as a ex-teacher who has a thing for teenage boys.
I feel bad for him. He just needed professional help, I'm glad he turned himself in to the police as a starter before acting on it or a serious problem than that will occur, but, these polices are too hard on him...
I wonder how this will be played out if this episode was about a girl with urges.
Problem is that female pedophiles are hardly ever reported in the media. So we don’t exactly know how this will play out. And of course you also have the fact that most people believe that women don’t harm kids.
@mariafox9226 true
There was an episode of an adult woman and boy
Last I remember she got treated since she had a condition causing her urges but never faced any charges nor anything along the lines like what happened to this kid
Sooo yeah
"Niiice"
Now that would be an episode I'd like to see
The way the cops handled this was disgusting. He was a kid himself for gods sake and just wanted help...
This is genuinely so sad. It's clearly OCD. The cops handled this so bad but its the truth in America unfortunately. It's scary to have people in the world that think like this and in reality if you think about it, scaring people who think like this just makes things worse. Then people don't ask for help. Their symptoms get worse and then guess what happens. The system is only in favor of those who are "normal". Sadly, if I was the mother in this case, I wouldn't hesitate to remove my child from that house. It's too risky.
What good acting, I've always loved this show. You can really feel the emotion.
Yeah that older kid needed a therapist ASAP
So he turned himself in becayse he was SCARED he would hurt a child and they punished him instead of helping him?! He couldve provided so much psychological insight to stopping REAL predetors.
The moment Elliot’s face dropped after his daughter’s face showed up immediately made me realize that creepy dude was gonna get his just desserts
That main lady police deserved to get blamed at the end, hope that happened end of the episode and she learnt not to be so judgemental
Anyone who's seen the full thing, let me know what happened please.
The pedophile posting picture of Children on the Internet was the one who murdered Eric because he found out that Eric did touch a kid. The episode ends with the SVU holding a conference with the media in order to find Eric’s victim, but with no success.
The old dude who runs the website killed the son because chris went and touched a kid ..
So he did touch his step bro@@Cent51
Nope, not his step brother but some other kid. We never find out who his victim is
I wonder if he just said that so that way he could have gotten arrested or something because it is odd that nobody came forward why would nobody come forward unless they're scared I guess but then the kid was dead so I don't know
This teen is certainly an interesting character. We usually never see pedophilia as something to be sympathetic for.
I remember seeing this episode for the first time, and i was absolutely HIT. The idea of a teenage PDF file recognizing their urges early and trying to turn themselves in only to be so utterly failed by everyone and ultimately ending themselves so no innocent child would be hurt 😢
Also, the creep trying to normalize PDF behavior and comparing it to LGBT was shockingly ahead of its time, considering the sick movement of "minor attracted persons" we've seen in recent years 🤢
Sorry but isn’t it for the better that he’s deleted?
@@wintersbabyy no, it isn't. he hadn't offended yet, his life still had value had he actually gotten the help he was asking for. there are many avenues of treatment they could have explored.
@@wintersbabyyThis mindset is exactly why people don't come forward for help no matter the mental health issue. Stop being so judgmental.
@@wintersbabyy I bet you're a right winger and a "Christian"
One of the goals of the MAPS moment is to destigmatize pedophilia, NOT in support of pedophilia but in an attempt to prevent abuse of a child. The ideal is that if such attractions were to be destigmatized, that it would lead to more individuals who are inflicted by such feelings to voluntarily come forward and seek help on NOT acting on those feelings, thus preventing harm of a child beforehand.
It is the same concept with destigmatizing mental health so that more people who suffer from mental health issues will be more likely to seek help in treating their condition before it leads to harm.
Though, to be honest, the MAPS moment does come with problems.
7:07 I don't blame stabler for what he did just father protecting his daughter from creeps.
He did what any parent would do in that situation.
Proooooobly shouldnt be a cop
@@Animedingo Any parent would react like Stabler did in that scenario. Police or not.
I honestly can't stand this episode the poor kid comes to them for help because he doesn't want to hurt anyone or give in to his urges towards his brother and yet they're treating him like he's already done something and all he wanted was help seriously this episode is making my stomach turn
yeah, even craigen went easy on him, he knew exactly why stabler did what he did, he forced him to turn his gun and badge in but at least in this clip he doesn't raise his voice or even scold him
saw on my national tv a guy that talked about his interest. He realized them as a young man. He knew it was bad and was scared of what he could do. He sought counsel and treatment but he was told he could not get any for free unless he committed a crime (SA), like how it is explained here. He did not want to harm children so his solution? he talked with his face not hidden on tv and made sure everyone around him knew so they could take measures to protect their kids (besides him keeping himself in check). btw dude was not in the US.
While that is really brave of him. I hope no sick ppl will kill him and justify it because that dude has those urge when he is trying his best not to commit the act.
I guess the only real way, is to not let them be close to kids, or worse, let them be alone with kids.
It must have been terrifying being in this teens position.
He knew coming out with this would have likely destroyed his life, and that's exactly what happened. He was doomed the second his went into the police station.
Granted, I feel like the detectives did a frankly terrible job at 'helping' him until it was too late.
Tragic situation all around.
She said she killed her son, why don't those 'mistake of a FBI' or whatever, Hold her hostage and interrogate her like they did to her son??? Someone felt guilty for feeling the urge to commit pedophilia, walked up to you, confided in you because he really didn't want to do it in as much as he felt otherwise. You in your authority made him feel more guilty and ashamed of himself more than he already his. If you refuse to help or support him in overcoming this phase he heartfully wanted to overcome, but instead, you threatened him with imprisonment and stuffs like that, how will he face the society now the authority has branded him an abomination? So I won't be surprised if what we just saw last is a suicide case.
The kid was no predator, no, he was a fighter. He was fighting his weakness and hell it fought back, (it always does) making him more miserable, he needed your help to overcome it, but instead you fought him too. Now it's 2 against 1. Congrats! he's been defeated and now he is a victim.
And this was also during the fallout of Casey's censure. Greylek notes that the standards of getting a search warrant got higher because of it so of course they were floundering throughout the whole case.
People who argue that people who want help and come forward getting help should instead be arrested and locked up are idiots. If everyone who wanted help and ask for help is treated like that kid then no one would ask for help. And those people isolated will likely either seek out other who are isolated or stew in their own desires. Both cases are far more likely to lead to children getting hurt. And keeping kids safe is the most important thing.
If you want to punish those who have done nothing because of their desires and no other reason, you are supporting kids being hurt in return for you to fufill your bloodthirsty wishes.
Why are they being so wicked to that teen? He came to get help.
Okay, that was a rough one.......
You know what I would like to see SVU do an episode on a pedophile Camp based around the concept of those gay camps but one by scientifical psychiatric professionals who teach for your own good and Society not to act any Criminal type of urges.I hear there's an actual controversy in the psychiatric community if being attracted to Children it should be considered a disease or an abnormal sexuality not get there and disagreements that acting upon it physically should be illegal.
Are pedophile camps as bad as gay camps?
They did lol
There are gay camps??? And pdf camps?!?!?
It's shameful that people in this position have to actually commit a crime before anyone can help them.
They don’t, none of what they said there is true.
Such a sad episode. I feel bad for people who want help but can’t get any
I almost threw up my dinner when that guy said "I admit I like......... angels" 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 and he also added their age to it.
Its just a 10 minute video but its extremely difficult to sit through
When I first saw this episode and heard that, I just turned around and lowered my head in disgust.
I felt the very same way.
I really enjoyed this episode - it brought up some very important points: there was nowhere for him to go to get help, help was only offered *after* he committed a crime.
The young man did an excellent job acting as a terrified and hurting young guy.
Elliot, as usual, pissed me off because his first response is "time to go kill a guy" and none of his team mates bothered to actually be disgusted by his actions - Olivia was very "but it was his daughters photo so that excuses him beating that man to a pulp". Yes, the guy was gross, but wow this show never did not make the police not look like overly aggressive, lying assholes who threaten people and who will do pretty much anything to cover their own asses.
Anyway, the woman who played the mother, her acting at the end when she was losing it afterwards was so good!
Teri Polo.
Jesus, that poor mother.
This episode actually really opened my eyes to the whole issue and made me realize that yeah dude, pedos don’t choose to feel the way they feel. That doesn’t mean I have any sympathy whatsoever if they act on their urges and hurt children but it made me realize that if we actually want to truly protect kids from predators, then maybe we need to find ways to treat or at least help suppress the urges of these guys BEFORE they harm any children
This is BS.
@@wintersbabyy Is it?
They are a anomalia. And dont deserve anything
@@VenjaminYes, it is. The notion that these people are unable to control themselves is ridiculous. Only because pedos are usually male do these silly excuses come out. Lack of self control is something we really need to stop trying to give men passes for.
I remember watching this episode and it made me realize a pattern with Olivia she never investigated before being biased soon as the case came across her desk that person was guilty in her eyes now go back and watch episodes and you will see how many lives she ruined by publicly accusing people in front of they employers families etc then they turned out to be innocent
She generally does jump the gun. One of the reasons I don't like her.
Lmao comes to them for help and then they go after him with no evidence
Elliot Stabler was suspended yrs ago back in season 2 for telling a shrink that he fantasized about killing pedophiles. I don’t understand why that makes stabler a bad guy for having such fantasies and require further evaluation just for saying that. Isn’t fantasizing that kind of thing show where his heart is and his loving concern for helpless children. There are many instances that I don’t like stabler but one thing I do know: He protects children.
Sweetheart, detectives are not supposed to fantasize about ending lives. They were supposed to fantasize about catching perps and investigating them.
@ sweetheart, they were regular human beings way before they became cops and detectives. Those feelings were there before becoming cops and they still have them after.
The moment Elliot saw his youngest daughter on that pedophile's website, all bets were off.
It's an invasive thought. Everybody has them and very few people act on them typically. We're all human. Cops included.
@@susivarga7303 honey their job is to put bad guys in prison,that's no different than ending their lives
Inward and outward affirmation is a key ingredient to having peace. There are as many benefits to making yourself feel better as there are to doing that for someone else.
im not saying for all of them, but there needs to be a screening process for people who act on those urges, because sometimes its genuine mental illness, there was this lad in my town, he had developmental issues, he was 35 but was fully convinced he was 10, ended up feeling up a 7 year old girl, after 3 years in prisons his doctor won an appeal and got the guy sent to a psych ward for treatment, guy was in the room next to mine, i was in the ward due to cotards sydrome (not fun at all) guy was super sweet and kind, genuinely made you feel all paternal around him
I'm not tryin to excuse the behavior but I'm glad the majority if not all the comments are sympathetic to the young teen!! On other platforms you typically see people wanting to put people like this on the gallows without trying to at least reason out why or how they could end up in those situations. While we'll never really know if Eric actually touched a child or not it really does speak upon getting people with these urges help before they hurt someone and ultimately themselves for the terrible acts. While I think it can shift dynamics for family and relationships it's upmost better to have some neutral understanding and support to rehabilitate// heal those so no one has to suffer
The police : come to us if you have problems.
Also the police :
Everybody failed that boy. He was clearly an intelligent and compassionate child who was able to understand right from wrong, but didn't know how to process or handle unmanaged thoughts and feelings. Every adult in that episode was a failure, and as much as it hurts to acknowledge, even his mother failed him. She was supposed to be the advocate he needed.
That department would have a major lawsuit on it's hands.
one of the best episodes. teri polo knocked out of the park with her performance
The father's child is not even considering that a trial is gonna give his son a trauma.
Felt bad for him he wanted help before he did something. But the help isn't there unless he gets convicted
As a medical professional (in Europe) I find this episode and 'police work' depicted utterly disgusting and unprofessional. Sexual orientation by itself isn't a crime, at least in civilised world. The young protagonist should've been delegated to a specialized sexuologist immediately. There, he should've received counseling how to 'cope' in day to day life and live productive happy life, non-criminally, with his paraphilic diagnosis. Medication (for the 'urges') also exists, but has severe side effects (especially in adolescents) and isn't recommended for non-offending pacients.
Pedophilia isn’t a sexual orientation, its a mental illness.
Side effects aren't that severe. Sure you can't go the path of administering hormones to reduce urges in adolescents, but you still can go the path of administering SSRIs. There's a real precedent for using them for that purpose given their side effects, it's just a case of finding which specific SSRI will inflict it for the individual.
Those cops are the worst how are they even the main cast
I know how he feels. And I cope by putting it on fictional characters only. This way, I get it out and become capable of thinking of litterally anything else.
please get therapy if you haven’t, and seek God. I don’t know if you believe in God but He’s real. Jesus is the way and can help you.
@falren I am in therapy. And as for seeking God...This is a material world problem, so it's probably better solved materially, through science. If the problem was prejudice on the other hand, then I could turn to Him to stop it.
I'm not pinning the reported cases as of late on Him, I know He's above that. But Virgin Maria was 14. They use that as an excuse. The mindset is as old as society. Jesus can't snap it away, and the religious people may advice against it, but they won't give me the means to fight it.
@@BrunoPA-f2v using ficcional charactets will just feed your problem
@@BrunoPA-f2vkeep going and try everything you can. Please u can. Even as a non pdf if someone is attracted to someone they can choose to stop. Adults attracted to other adults stop when its not corresponded, they know a no is a no. A child can never correspond bc they cant comprehend. They cant stop it. But you can. If an adult attacted to another adult doesnt rpe them after the other says no or cannot say yes. Why cant a pdf stop from abusing a child? You can stop it. You are stopping it.
in other places isn't that sort of fictional stuff also actually illegal? like im pretty sure there are states where that's a felony
Prevention is everything. If anybody really wants to help the kids you should be preaching prevention till your voice hurts, remove the stigma and get these people help.
This was s10 best episode
Honestly, I wished he went to a hospital 🏥 because well 😢he needed intervention
I see why LJ Burrows was off of prison break 💀💀
some people develop pedophilia in response to a brain tumor, there really is almost certainly a biological component to it just like there is to any sexual orientation.... it's just that this one is never one that can ever be condoned. There are ways maybe like people with certain syndromes that make them look really young but are biologically adults as long as both parties consent but otherwise..... I really wish we could do studies on this so we could maybe develop a cure through TMS or something, no one should have to struggle to deny who they are, that's a certain kind of hell I don't wish on anyone innocent
Thank you for the words.
What’s TMS?
@@Lucas-gm3bv transcranial magnetic stimulation
I don't think finding a cure is the way, if that even is possible. You describe it as an orientation, so what does that mean for people who actually have normal orientations? What does that mean for non straight folk? Homophobia ain't going away any time soon, and the moment you open up that rabbithole, you can never close it again.
I believe that people, on average, are good. If someone is reasonably certain that they won't do something, they likely won't. If someone truly understands the harm their actions can bring, then as reasonable human beings do, they will not act.
All they need to do is never tell anyone because their choice to speak would cause harm. If you discover your friend or family member is like this, you won't just be like "oh", you'll probably second-guess every moment you spent around this person; even if they tell you they've never done anything, you will still understandably suspect them no matter what. By saying anything, they will have inflicted harm via distress.
They will have to struggle in silence, even if they seek professional help there is the possibility that the psychiatrist will simply refuse to take the individual as a patient; or worse, contact law enforcement and have the person arrested or accosted by the police.
We as a society have made it so that for these people the only way out is for them to take their life. That's how it is, and it won't change any time soon. Society (and by extension, us) tacitly agrees with this and that's why things are this way.
She should sue the whole police for lying and ultimately bullying and pushing him into suicide
5:30 What's "holding sweaty fists" mean? Is it a saying? Is it literal? I'm so confused.
A losing child gonna be pain for parents
In reality he could have admitted himself to treatment. What people don’t know is that Offenders are frequently sent to treatment as part of their sentence - but those with urges can also admit themselves to treatment as well, with no criminal penalty. These programs are designed to help but because the stigma surrounding offenders is so high a lot of people don’t get the help they need before it’s too late.
there was a similar episode on criminal minds, i feel so bad for both boys😢
What’s the episode name?
I mean, why couldn't they send him to a psychologist? It's urges, so it's different than actually doing it. The kid clearly needed help, and was very smart for telling them that. I don't understand why they couldn't think of that.
I remember this episode. Somebody asked that question, and someone said pedophiles can't get help in New York until they've offended. By then it might be too late. A monster has been released.
Themistocles of Athens saved Western civilization at the Battle of Salamis. He also competed with another adult man, Aristides, for the affection of a little boy. Should the man without whom Western civilization-including the US-wouldn't exist have been murdered by his own mother?
Its actually not his fault Bcs u could see he was troubled
I felt bad for him to he was scared and just wanted someone to help him
They pissed me off
Who?