I went to the basic when I was pregnant. Later a friend was trying to get me perfected. After studying the material I remember saying a man soaking in his parents tub masterbating can not give the best parenting advice. So I tossed the material out, but I still struggle with feeling like a failure. A few years ago I heard about the abuse and had to thank God that I didn't fall down that hole. I'm glad you got out.
I related a lot to your story, Dee. Undiagnosed adhd struggles, doing “men’s” work, not fitting in or finding a calling, parents getting anxious and weird about it….
I was homeschooled some, and Christian school. I have conservative Christian parents. However, I was blessed.....my parents thought Gothard was strange. We had friends in the ATI. When my Mom's friend got her son in ATI, she thought Gothards teaching was over the top. I was encouraged to get a college education. As years have gone on and I have read stories of girls in ATI, I feel sad for them. It seems like many families worship Bill Gothard. Thanks for sharing your story. I am a conservative Christian today, but I stay far away from Bill Gothard and the ATI crowd. There has to be balance.
I'm a psychologist, attended a Southern Baptist Church in High School, and completed the 'Basic Youth Conflict Seminar' in my teens. Had some misgivings about what later became the IBLP, but tried to follow and support a verison of 'Total Woman' thought process in college. It made sense at the time, I wanted structure and security. Others' pot shots at that cult made me realize what a big farce it was to subscribe to a belief system that was always, always going to have me putting myself into a second class citizen role. I now spend a fair amount of time gently and not so gently helping people to realize their worth, especially when they are coming out of patriarchy.
Molly, thank you for sharing your experience. I absolutely love that you are working with people to realize their worth. I think that is one of the major things that is lacking in those teachings. All credit is given to God, and it's prideful to believe in your own abilities. This is one of the reasons I believe that many people get caught up in the cult of it all. They don't realize their worth and they are made to believe that if they follow these steps they will then be worthy of God's love and everlasting life. I hope you can join us on a live soon and join our chat. -Dee
I think most states have standardized methods of going from homeschool to college. In my state you just take and pass the GED. If your homeschooling was sufficient, the GED should be fairly easy. If you have gaps in certain areas, the GED will indicate that. You can study, do a community college class or take adult education at night, and try again. A few colleges have entrance exams for homeschoolers, foreign students from certain countries, and others with atypical (not easily equivalent to the U.S.) educations. You can bypass the GED altogether since the college exams are more rigorous.
In Louisiana parents can issue a diploma that has the same weight as public or private school diploma. There are two ways to enroll in homeschool in LA one being hoke study (requires minimal review of curriculum) and the other not seeking approval. As you said above, every state is different. -Dee
This was not my belief system but I had to leave religion behind. I didn't leave my faith behind though. I'm not going to let anybody take that from me
Dee, do you know if many people join or are in the military and also part of feudalism? My ex retired AF, and with the AF family side, majority of our kids attended the same school. Church was on base and family festivals on base. So we as the dependents follow the rules and if I lived by a family that were home schooled or attended a church off base I would remember them. I did have a neighbor who's husband was a weekend preacher and she adored every word he said. Ok, now I'm seeing flags with that family. Anyway, I'm enjoying both of your stories.
Yes. To answer the question about military.. I had not really thought about it. My dad is an AF vet too. I don't think that was something that was made a big deal about. Not to me anyway. The fundie church I went to in FL was not far from the base and there was one military family in it. Interesting thought though.
Yeah, it was a sign if rebellion, as was wearing a hat backwards. It was also about the music as much as it was the attire. Rock and roll is the devils music (in the eyes of IBLP and the fundamentals)
There are people in our circles that are still involved or look favorably on the teachings. We talked about this not too long ago, and it seems there are far fewer still in it than out.
What nonsense! There are abusive people in every religion, every society, every church in this country and others. Just because someone was abused does not mean that ATI/IBLP promotes abuse. There are many, many more abusive parents who were public schooled than there are parents who were part of ATI/IBLP. Therefore, you should be shutting down public schools for promoting abuse.
I'm sorry you feel our experience is nonsense. We plan to go into detail in further episodes how the teachings actually do promote, excuse and condone abuse. Let me ask you this, do you approve of following curriculum written by a pedophile? Because the leader, Bill Gothard, who wrote the material for the organization was one. Why is it acceptable to you to follow the teachings of a pedophile and wish that public school would be shut down? I have 3 children in public school, none of them have been abused. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Difference is there isn't one man in leadership over public school writing all the material, claiming to get word from God himself about how to live, and then abuses children. That is what I call nonsense. I hope you stick around and keep an open mind. -Dee
Wow, normally when I see a comment I disagree from I typically just ignore it and move on. But this was such dumb comment 🙄 I have to respond. Based on what you say because there are people who still rape and murder IN SPITE OF laws against such crimes we shouldn't have laws anymore because people won't follow them. Plus, if the numbers of abusive parents in public schools is worst than those in the IBLP then that's likely only because of the number of people who are in public school versus the number of people in a cult. EX. In a group of 10 people who may have attended a meeting held my Bill Gothard, 5 of them are confirmed pedophiles like him. Then that means that 50% of that particular group consists of pedophiles. BUT If you're in a group of 100 people and only 5 of them are pedophiles like Gothard, that percentage drops down to 5. 5% is still problematic but far less problematic than something like 50%. But if Covid has taught me anything these past few years it's that facts don't matter to people who objectively refuse to see the truth as opposed to those who just want to see what they want to see
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I went to the basic when I was pregnant. Later a friend was trying to get me perfected. After studying the material I remember saying a man soaking in his parents tub masterbating can not give the best parenting advice. So I tossed the material out, but I still struggle with feeling like a failure. A few years ago I heard about the abuse and had to thank God that I didn't fall down that hole. I'm glad you got out.
I related a lot to your story, Dee. Undiagnosed adhd struggles, doing “men’s” work, not fitting in or finding a calling, parents getting anxious and weird about it….
Thank you for watching. I'm so sorry that you can relate. I hope that you have found healing and understanding as I have over the years. -Dee
Love you ladies and here to support however you and your cohorts need!
I was homeschooled some, and Christian school. I have conservative Christian parents. However, I was blessed.....my parents thought Gothard was strange. We had friends in the ATI. When my Mom's friend got her son in ATI, she thought Gothards teaching was over the top. I was encouraged to get a college education. As years have gone on and I have read stories of girls in ATI, I feel sad for them. It seems like many families worship Bill Gothard. Thanks for sharing your story. I am a conservative Christian today, but I stay far away from Bill Gothard and the ATI crowd. There has to be balance.
Balance is important. I'm glad your family was wise enough to stay away from IBLP/ATI. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Can’t wait to listen. So glad this popped up in my feed!
Thanks! Glad you found us!
Hi, how’re you doing
I'm a psychologist, attended a Southern Baptist Church in High School, and completed the 'Basic Youth Conflict Seminar' in my teens. Had some misgivings about what later became the IBLP, but tried to follow and support a verison of 'Total Woman' thought process in college. It made sense at the time, I wanted structure and security. Others' pot shots at that cult made me realize what a big farce it was to subscribe to a belief system that was always, always going to have me putting myself into a second class citizen role. I now spend a fair amount of time gently and not so gently helping people to realize their worth, especially when they are coming out of patriarchy.
Oh, by the way, I have a Masters of Divinity, and I was considering a career in the United Methodist Church - as ordained clergy
Molly, thank you for sharing your experience. I absolutely love that you are working with people to realize their worth. I think that is one of the major things that is lacking in those teachings. All credit is given to God, and it's prideful to believe in your own abilities. This is one of the reasons I believe that many people get caught up in the cult of it all. They don't realize their worth and they are made to believe that if they follow these steps they will then be worthy of God's love and everlasting life. I hope you can join us on a live soon and join our chat. -Dee
@@UmbrellaRebellion I would love to watch a live and especially to join the chat. If you would like to interview me as well, we can discuss that too.
Thank you for your service Dee
Hi how’re you doing
I think most states have standardized methods of going from homeschool to college. In my state you just take and pass the GED. If your homeschooling was sufficient, the GED should be fairly easy. If you have gaps in certain areas, the GED will indicate that. You can study, do a community college class or take adult education at night, and try again. A few colleges have entrance exams for homeschoolers, foreign students from certain countries, and others with atypical (not easily equivalent to the U.S.) educations. You can bypass the GED altogether since the college exams are more rigorous.
In Louisiana parents can issue a diploma that has the same weight as public or private school diploma. There are two ways to enroll in homeschool in LA one being hoke study (requires minimal review of curriculum) and the other not seeking approval. As you said above, every state is different. -Dee
I would love to hear more of your story. What happened afterwards, what prompted you to leave?
Make sure you check out our headquarters videos for more of our story. We will be continuing to share our stories in the future. -Dee
This was not my belief system but I had to leave religion behind. I didn't leave my faith behind though. I'm not going to let anybody take that from me
That's wonderful to hear. Thank you for sharing.
Dee, do you know if many people join or are in the military and also part of feudalism?
My ex retired AF, and with the AF family side, majority of our kids attended the same school. Church was on base and family festivals on base. So we as the dependents follow the rules and if I lived by a family that were home schooled or attended a church off base I would remember them.
I did have a neighbor who's husband was a weekend preacher and she adored every word he said. Ok, now I'm seeing flags with that family.
Anyway, I'm enjoying both of your stories.
Marcy and I both think the youngest girl working there (without her family) was 13. That was during the time we were there.
@@UmbrellaRebellion wow??? Way too young to be away from ones parents.
Yes. To answer the question about military.. I had not really thought about it. My dad is an AF vet too.
I don't think that was something that was made a big deal about. Not to me anyway. The fundie church I went to in FL was not far from the base and there was one military family in it. Interesting thought though.
ATI and IBLP , what do these initials stand for?
Advanced Training Institute (homeschool curriculum)
Institute in Basic Life Principles
So, wearing Doc Martin’s and flannel shirts send you to Hell? 😱 I’m doomed!
Yeah, it was a sign if rebellion, as was wearing a hat backwards. It was also about the music as much as it was the attire. Rock and roll is the devils music (in the eyes of IBLP and the fundamentals)
I am curious, with all the terrible abuse stories in ATI/ IBLP, do either of you know people who were glad they were raised this way?
There are people in our circles that are still involved or look favorably on the teachings. We talked about this not too long ago, and it seems there are far fewer still in it than out.
What nonsense! There are abusive people in every religion, every society, every church in this country and others. Just because someone was abused does not mean that ATI/IBLP promotes abuse. There are many, many more abusive parents who were public schooled than there are parents who were part of ATI/IBLP. Therefore, you should be shutting down public schools for promoting abuse.
I'm sorry you feel our experience is nonsense. We plan to go into detail in further episodes how the teachings actually do promote, excuse and condone abuse.
Let me ask you this, do you approve of following curriculum written by a pedophile? Because the leader, Bill Gothard, who wrote the material for the organization was one. Why is it acceptable to you to follow the teachings of a pedophile and wish that public school would be shut down?
I have 3 children in public school, none of them have been abused. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Difference is there isn't one man in leadership over public school writing all the material, claiming to get word from God himself about how to live, and then abuses children.
That is what I call nonsense.
I hope you stick around and keep an open mind. -Dee
Wow, normally when I see a comment I disagree from I typically just ignore it and move on. But this was such dumb comment 🙄 I have to respond. Based on what you say because there are people who still rape and murder IN SPITE OF laws against such crimes we shouldn't have laws anymore because people won't follow them. Plus, if the numbers of abusive parents in public schools is worst than those in the IBLP then that's likely only because of the number of people who are in public school versus the number of people in a cult. EX. In a group of 10 people who may have attended a meeting held my Bill Gothard, 5 of them are confirmed pedophiles like him. Then that means that 50% of that particular group consists of pedophiles. BUT If you're in a group of 100 people and only 5 of them are pedophiles like Gothard, that percentage drops down to 5. 5% is still problematic but far less problematic than something like 50%. But if Covid has taught me anything these past few years it's that facts don't matter to people who objectively refuse to see the truth as opposed to those who just want to see what they want to see
So because you personally didn’t witness the lived experience of these women, you will tell them they are liars? How very “Christian” of you. 😒😠
@@mickithompson5888 I'm thinking she didn't even get past the intro. 🤣🤣 If she sticks around, she might learn a thing or three. -Dee