B&M Flying Coaster | Realistic Planet Coaster Park: ChachoLandia #3
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- Опубликовано: 24 апр 2021
- Well, you love your realistic Planet Coaster parks, so let's do another one. Welcome to ChachoLandia: A cross between Cedar Point, Thorpe Park, Dorney Park, Carowinds and Energylandia. Opened by Cedar Fair in the UK in 2015, we are building with a bigger budget!
This week, we add in the winner of last week's community poll: B&M Flyer... In this one we also talk technicals of the B&M flyer too... how do they actually work and just how complex they are...
Using realism I’ve learnt from my experience of working for a real-life theme park company and over 4000 hours of Planet Coaster play time. Using true-to-life principles, we walk through each stage of the build reasons why things are built in a certain way- as well as some top tips on how these were achieved too by pulling them apart for you to see. As the project progresses, I’ll release the park for you to enjoy, so please make sure you Subscribe to stay in touch!
What if Cedar Fair opened a park in the UK? Would it look like Alton Towers? Thorpe Park? Or would it take on the form of more American parks like Cedar Point? Canada's Wonderland? Or would it be more themed like DollyWood, Legoland, Busch Gardens or SeaWorld? Oh, and don't forget Six Flags too! What about China? I hear Flying Kiss theme park in China is a good one too! Well, one thing is for sure, realistic Planet Coaster parks don't come much more realistic than this and let's be honest, other Planet Coaster Let's Play or Planet Coaster gameplay videos won't give you the real reasons why things are as they are. Where do you place rides, rollercoasters, shops, paths, plazas, car parks, entrance areas, tickets, turnstiles, maintenance sheds and so on? I'll tell you where as we up the Planet Coaster Realism game! This is more than just a Planet Coaster Tutorial; this is a Planet Coaster best park ever!' Just so you know, my realistic series uses Planet Coaster Sandbox. It's time to get Planet Coaster real! Episodes with rollercoasters also have rollercoaster povs too. Don't worry if you're stuck for Planet Coaster Entrance Ideas - this episode will sort you out. This is how to start a park. AND if you like the build styles of Themepark worldwide, bro nation, silvarret, maskedbandit, mike sheet, deladysigner and rudi rudikmental then you might just like this! We have very similar planet coaster building style. I wish I'd get noticed by Mr Beast haha
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Beautiful work as always. Loved the coaster facts, more of that please!
I nerded out on this one because I just happened to talk to the engineer of one.. and they were going into some proper depths.. Left me like "ooooooooooh" :D Wonder if there are any interesting facts about other B&Ms out there.. like wings.. or.. floorlessssssss.....
@@Nerdchacho thats awesome
I know I'm very late to the party, but just wanted to say thanks for going so in-depth with the technical facts! Really makes a difference and leads to buying into the realism. Also arms me with more geeky facts to bore my GP friends with ;)
You are quickly becoming one of my favorite planco builders! Because I'm a theme/amusement park junky I LOVE the series and LOVE the coaster facts. Keep on building!
Ahh awesome! Well thanks for coming along for the ride, really appreciate it! Hopefully the park turns into one that you continue to enjoy! It'll eventually be on the workshop to play with if you're PC / Mac too :)
The completed Sentinel looks absolutely superb! Really love the bridge over/between the pretzel loop and the dives into the smoke (ala Oblivion at Alton Towers), and it really comes together with the theming and how it's nestled among the trees.
Oh, it has some already.. it obviously hasn't come out on the video....
I'm jealous of your ability to create these things in this game, you should totally have a job in park planning for one of the chains
Funny you say that............... ;)
Bright and early PlanCo content what a BEAUTY!
Loved the in-depth breakdown about flying coasters and what makes them tick. It shows just how much effort and knowledge you put into your creations, and hence why they are so good!
Oh, I nerded out on this one.. The engineer was literally like "here, let me show you how this all works"... oh, errr.. yes please! :D
Some people dont care about some crucial things that would add to the realism like the stress rides are putting on the ground has practically only been mentioned by you! Well done!
It's a really important part of it all though.. it stops you making decisions that force you into a lack of realism... Yeah, it backs you into a corner, but "reality" is a corner when you think of all of the legislation etc. This is that "sub level" realism I always talk about :)
So frickin realistic, love it!
fr when he showed the inside of the station at night, I actually got goosebumps from the anticipation of riding it even though its just a video
How did I miss these videos. Oh well time to bing watch
Have fun with this!! You'll be caught up in time for Sunday's new Ep! :D
Just come across this guy, and it’s incredible viewing! How have you not got at least 100k subs????
Aww thanks for coming along! I'm not at 100k because 97k still need to find me 🤣
Insane episode again, one of my favourite videos of yours!
I'll need to keep this level of "up" going then! haha.. no pressure or anything lol
I've come back to appreciate your greatness 🙏 omd this absolutely outstanding 👏 Love your work man!
Sometimes the classics are the best, right? 🤣
That layout was brilliant and smooth.
This is amazing! btw if you want to make your coasters smoother and more realistic, you should download the realism mod. It gets rid of all track limits, and adds more options to all the coasters. there is a youtuber called Theme Park Wirral who shows how to make your rides super smooth too. But I am loving this series, keep it up :)
Thanks!!! The realism mod doesn't work on my PC - and if I did have it installed, I couldn't share the park because any-one who attempts to load it also needs it installed too - otherwise it crashes their game... Which is a shame because that mod would change EVERYTHING if it worked :D
Absolutely stunning!! Amazing work
Thanks mate! Glad you enjoyed it!
Just want to say thank u for making my day this morning amazing vid love to tips and carry on going
Oh. no, you're very welcome! Thanks for joining us this morning :)
Tremendous work! good job. ☺
What a great episode! Good job!
Thanks!! Hopefully we can get another decent park from this project!
Omg, so great! I really liked the detailed insight in some of the flying coaster specifics. Such information is almost never mentioned anywhere, so it's nice to have you to educate me :-)
If there is one thing I would question is the size of some trees in the area. I mean the park is new and the construction of the area would have probably cost most trees. If we would be 100% realistic the trees in the area would have been planted after building the coaster. At least the trees within the supports I guess. But you know better than me. That's how I would imagine.
Concerning the water ride, I would imagine that a regular log flume would not suit this modern and new park since log flumes are mostly from the 70s/80s if I remember correctly (at least for german parks). So either it would be a highly themed rapids ride or one of the newer water splash coasters, I forgot how they are called. I was thinking about the atlantis ride in Europa Park. Nevertheless, thanks for this awesome episode. Cheers and see you next Sunday :-)
You raise a very good point and yes, most of the trees would have probably been landscaped in when the park was built - so you're talking around 2014ish ready for a 2015 opening. But, the game doesn't have many baby trees sadly (and the ones on the workshop are too costly on piece count; plus the in-game ones are.. just... ugh), so it just felt like the natural thing to do was to include adult trees. The plot of land would have HAD trees on it (look at LegoLand New York for example), it wouldn't have been a field, but yes there would certainly be some baby nature there somewhere.
I'm also inclined to agree that the log flume would probably be more a shoot-the-chute style flume than a traditional log flume - but that said, new log flumes or ones reconditioned from old parks do still exist. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that not everything in the park is factory-new...
Absolutely incredible, I've never been able to get good results with the flying coaster, but air/galactica at alton towers has a precedent for the brake on the pretzel loop as air has tis random trim at the top of the hill before the final helix. Also, maybe a full flying coaster tutorial in the top tips series?
Yes!!! Those trims are the passive block-breaks that would never be used as evacuation blocks, but tells the computer systems that the train has passed the point of no return so it is safe to enter. It's a dead clever system!
I'm going to do an element of build in the "extra" ep this week. I'll be showing the "fly dive" and the pretzel loop builds :)
Thanks for the best birthday present ever!
Ahh, well thanks for sharing your birthday with us and happy birthday! :)
@@Nerdchacho Thanks! :D
sooo nice!! Rapids please!!
Love how it is coming together and how realistic is looking!! the only thing i gotta say its that i think the coaster is coming way to hot to the final breakrun or at least in my opinion and experience
I'm inclined to agree actually. It was a bit tough for that space and I wish it was a little tamer towards the end, but.. if it was any slower it would struggle on the slow zero-g which needs that height. At least the winding bits do something to kill the speed a little, but yeah, I agree that the first of the break-runs is hit too harshly..
Yeah I really hope you find a way to slow it down a bit, but if not is all good the ride it's still amazing!
Amazing loved it!
Thank you!!
Wow this is beautiful very realistic lovely colour scheme great positioning just 🤯
hehe, thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed!
@@Nerdchacho literally just went and built one myself on the console edition I see your pain with the flying double inversion!🤣
@@angryemerald7819 I'm going to walk through that in the extras ep later this week... It was HORRIBLE to get right because it is an odd shape. I think I finally landed on the correct shape accidentally and just didn't tweak it any more lol
@@Nerdchacho well it looks great and when I did my own flying coaster and did this element I got the perfect shape....just the wrong way round😥🤣
@@angryemerald7819 Well, the direction of left / right doesn't matter though.. that's only appropriate for whatever you have before and after it... and you can go from down up; or up down.. as long as it is the correct shape! :)
Yesssss
Yes yes!
Absolutely love the coaster! Can someone please build all your parks in real life? I really want to visit them all!
They technically could, I use as many real-life blueprints and principles as I can... so they wouldn't need MUCH editing to make them real :D
If I ever win the lottery... haha
The ruinic is spot on. The only mistake was the "OR" in fight or flight. What is written now is "fight NR flight" so it's an easy fix and and easy mistake, due to the symbols being next to each other and very similar.
Haha.. such a schoolboy mistake. Ill add it to the snagging list of things to fix! But they look sooooo good in place!!
Amazing 👌🏼
Thank you 🙌
theirs only two things i would change on the flyer.. the 1s turn around after drop i dont what about it.. it just looks wonky.. maybe lower it.. make it tighter.. re shape it.. it just looks odd.. and the up ward z g roll.. the hill looks too sharp. i would longate it.. stretch it out.. so it looks more flowey.. otherwise this fire dude!!!! 1000%% :) :) : )
The upward zero-G is built using the specifications of Flying Dino and Starry Sky Ripper, so it looks weird in game, but is correct from an engineering perspective. The first turn is also based on the same dimensions as Starry Sky Ripper's first turn, so the length and angles etc. It might look wonky because it isn't a "u" shape as it closes in on itself to come back, where-as the other turnarounds are usually just the 180, this is more like a 270.. That might be what is doing it... :)
Manta in SeaWorld Orlando has the netting under the chainlift and a left and right escape stairway
I think galactica / AIR does too, but frontier chose to have only 1 stair, so we have to work with that I guess.. :)
@@Nerdchacho That is one big oof
@@BlazionFire16 yeah.. I think I'm more annoyed about how inverted coaster supports work in game.. they're awful!
nice work
Thanks for the visit! :)
One thing, Shouldn’t there be netting in the area where the inversion goes above the path? For in case something falls off
Depends on how safety conscious you are being.. I left it off here because the netting would ruin the sightline if it were there.. The train is not travelling at speed by this point, so you'd probably just about be OK. It might need one over the Zero G because that IS at speed, but meh, we are done with the park... :D
I suppose you could also bring in as an exampl smiler, and how that had no covers over the queue for a short time.
Would love to see you make a discord for like updates and other stuff
I do it all on the community tab, rather than having to manage a discord. I just don't have the time to manage it...
Quick question im trying to recreate the swarm at thorpe park but im struggling since im on console with no dlcs is there any you recommend the most because im looking to buy ONE
Hmmm... good question. For The Swarm specifically you'll need both the spooky and (when it is released) Studios packs... Spooky for the planks and beams... studios for the fencing and general clutter like pallets, emergency vehicles etc...
@@Nerdchacho what emergancy vehicles come with the studios pack and when is it out for console also loving the videos keep it up
@@Nerdchacho i know I’m probably wasting your time but i have a few quick questions what emergency vehicles come with the studios pack and when will it come out and what building materials would you recommend for the ruined church at swarm island
Also I’m trying to recreate stealth after will i need any essential packs and do you have any facts
Hope you reply and keep the vids going ive said that ten times
@@williamturner1002 Oh hey! I don't know where my original reply to you went.. how weird.. Assuming the console version is the same as the PC version, it will be: Police car, Fire Engine, Army Tanks, helicopters, garbage truck, a laod of additional cars and animation versions that you can sue for scenes - like crashing cars, flipping police cars etc..
@@Nerdchacho thanks so much oh and about the church im building this moment what materials are in the base came that you recommended
This puts the flying coaster i'm doing for my channel to shame haha
Oh absolutely not!! Let us know when it is released so we can also see that too! :)
I keep trying to link it but it keeps removing my comment 🤦♂️🤔 it's on my channel anyway
Ill try one last time: ruclips.net/video/QzwERHc50Bk/видео.html
@@coastercreations6126 It's OK.. links are banned because of spam-bots. I've got it and approved it :) Will check it out when I'm free...
Gotta ask - 3 hours for the entire coaster... or just that twist?
Ahh, for this particular coaster - 3 hours for the roll....
@@NerdchachoGood God man.... I don't know whether to call that 'true commitment' or to have you committed... I think I would have thrown my PC out the window halfway way through that time.
Can i start a petition for a Braveheart themed coaster in this series?
You can as long as we aren't using a Braveheart direct IP.. So, if you can articulate what that would look like without it being Braveheart.. I'm down for that :)
@@Nerdchacho “The controversial Australian Jesus Movie Guy’s Wild Scotland Ride: The Ride”
@@DuckDavis3000 Just as easy to pronounce as Plomplepop :D
What would the actual theme be for this though? I'm sensing a Medieval Scottish theme? architecture similar to Edinburgh?
I think B&M calls those rolls "540 roll"
Yes!! I found this out this morning too.. someone from b&m text me this morning.. we call them fly dives haha
Hi how do you vote
It's over on the community tab buddy, which is here: ruclips.net/channel/UC4EUXrCSgY4X-ecLVDCA27gcommunity
"Internally we call it the fly dive, but I believe B&M have a different term for it".
Out of curiosity, does your company call it "Fly dive" or "Flying Snake Dive". Based on your answer, I'm pretty sure I know which coaster/ride manufacturer you work for.
Edit: Later in the video you talk about # of lines of code to achieve something. I'm an actual Software Engineer and honestly, that indicates bad engineering. Realistically, a system like this should have minimal considerations and going from 180 degrees to 0 back to 180 should be maybe 10 lines of code. I'd recommend getting better software engineers because that smells like non-software engineers self teaching themself how to code and being proud of quantity instead of quality.
I don't work for a manufacturer, I work for a Park Operator :)
There's far more involved with the coding than that, this is a fairly simplistic view of how the coding works. I'm not a coder to know how efficient the code actually is, but what I DO know is that there are many checks that the sensors have to perform and moving the trains from sitting to prone is done in 6 stages, including physical ones you can physically see: Sitting, 45 degrees, prone. There are also checks that happen throughout the transition as well as mid-points. The code then also continues until the train has exited the station and has to also control the "eye", watch for any unusual movement etc. It isn't just a case of "seat down, set up, launch (dispatch)".
@@Nerdchacho Ahhhh ha ha a curve ball. I definitely don't know as much about that side of things, particularly not European park operators. I was going to say either Intamin or Vekoma, though. B&M and S&S use the "fly-to-lie" naming I know for sure. That leaves only Intamin and Vekoma with flying models.
And you're right, I over simplified. However, a common theme with engineers writing software instead of specifically software engineers is that they have a tendency to rebuilt the wheel which results in way too much code to realistically maintain. There is a reason software engineers joke about how much code they delete from a codebase instead of how much they write. Imagine it's a suspension bridge and someone suggests to use 300% more suspension wires than are necessary. It gets the job done, but it is still bad engineering.
Similarly, by evaluating job postings for software development by coaster manufactures I've noticed that they are often working on large legacy monoliths that are by their nature currently outdated.
I'm not saying demand an uproar, but don't be surprised if there are large scale software changes over the next couple years because while their Hardware is often state of the art, the software is lagging behind based off of what I have been introduced to.
If you wanna build a realistic B&M Coaster, please do not put friction wheels in curves. I would not work. B&M coasters also do not have a standard track as storage.
Not entirely true. Every b&m we have in our portfolio use some sort of friction wheels as propulsion at least in the break run section. Look, for example, at the first bend of rapor at gardaland... friction wheels.. or the end of swarm.. friction wheels.. the break runs of nemesis inferno or nemesis, you guessed it... The game doesn't give us the correct tools to use for this purpose, so you have to trade off what is "real" and what the game lows you to do.
Also, all of the maintenance sheds of ours I've visited.. most recently the week before this episode was filmed do use standard track in the sheds.
@@Nerdchacho Yeah, of course. B&M coasters use friction wheels on a straight track. There are no friction wheels in the curved sections.
Believe me, I know what I am talking about. For the maintenance sheds, B&M trains sit on wheels that are attached to the maintenance sheds. The train weels are free from the rails so it is easier to check them.
@@LewisRiverman then we have very different points of reference from my time spent with the engineers this week.. ;) I have 5 pages of notes and a tonne of photos I used for this build..
@@Nerdchacho I think I just have a better eye
@@LewisRiverman I expect we do and we would interpret our things differently in game too.. i try my best with the resource I have access to, but of course if anyone can provide any alternative resources I'm happy to see them