The Tragic Fall of Kanye West (Pt1)
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- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2021
- In this episode of the Black Media Breakdown, we look at the early career of Kanye West and how he completely reshaped hip hop and black masculinity in the early 2000s.
I explain why this time period was so significant to the culture and to a lot of black men, and why so many of us are (foolishly?) holding out hope that Kanye reconnects with the person he was.
Along the way, you'll get a short history lesson on hip hop before and after Kanye as well as a crash course in the world of Professional Wrestling... yeah I'm doing a lot here!
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How did the dude who wrote All falls down and Heard em say end up this not okay?
I’m gonna let the video finish, but Kanye was like the average black person, at least for me, the real black middle class… not the Huxtables. The type who’s momma dragged him to church and worked and maybe had a little college or a degree or some trade. He felt like us, and it’s sad cause now he feels loss.
Nothing's ever promised tomorrow today
If you want to last this long in the industry of fame you have to sell or delete your identity away
@@dnikkithatsame5990 True. Maybe he was too close to his momma. Maybe he always had mental health issues. And losing his momma probably pushed him over the edge.
Frfr Crack Music was one of the first songs as a good that really got me listening to music the way I do today.
Especially with the concept of Kayfabe. The idea of comparing the industry's marketing of young black men the way they do in hip-hop to the point of others trying to emulate that image to gain their own success while being sold to white America. The same way crack was introduced to black neighborhoods to paint a picture of black Americans in a negative light while generating profit
On god, even as a kid, when Kanye said “George Bush doesn’t care about black people” I was ecstatic to know that someone said it out LOUD, especially someone like Kanye
Really strange to hear Kanye say that, knowing what an anti-semitic MAGA Republican he has become now.
It was so powerful
@@mariomouse8265 crazy what schizophrenia can do to a man. A long downward spiral.
And now he backs trump and the republicans lol. Its like he has to think he's the under dog or the genius. Every time. South park called him out Years ago before any of this. The guy is a nightmare.
I mean even his Taylor's speech interruption, that was rude and kinda asshole atitude, but he was trying to show how of a injustice were Taylor winning on Beyoncé, black empower, and cmon he was right, Taylor won cuz she was 18 and a white blond girl, the industry wasnt ready for putting Beyoncé where she should have been.
“I guess we’ll never know” still gives me full-body chills.
1:55 same with every new sonic...
I'm still getting over Forces.
Honestly really shakes me differently in retrospect
@@1Hawkears1 would we get a "imma let you finish" moment that early?
GOAT moment along with the interview where he says “Well I guess I was a SORE WINNER” that shit’s hilarious and just is sooo Kanye to a T.
@@christinathein951 kanye was funny as FUCK a lot of the time and i feel like it went unnoticed because he had really dry humor. not to say that excuses everything he’s done obviously but he had so many peak moments.
I was born in 2002, so it is really strange to see how different he was. When I think of Kanye, I think of him as he is now. I never really understood the appeal of him, but looking back on his starting career and the context, I can defiantly see it now. It’s kind of sad to see where he is now.
Same I was born 2002 but I think he started acting that way when he got married to Kim which we all know once a black guy deal with that family they never the same
@@That_girlAaliyah02 He started acting out when his mom passed. She was one of the biggest forces keeping him grounded to both humbleness and reality, if not the biggest force
@@BuddyHollyMallCop I bet
same as me, it’s really sad
Listen to all his albums and you’ll get the appeal more
As a young gay black man hearing someone like Kanye stick up for people like me in the mid-2000s hit different it really felt like there was hope that people like me could make it not just in a music industry, but the black community, that we could make it without having to be the punchline or a joke, that you could be taken seriously.
I still appreciate that acknowledgement even with all the stuff Kanye is done the last few years,.
❤
watch out for the thug hunters man
This is the toxic relationship discussed in video
He openly hates you now
Horrible as it is
@@northleedspoppa
Yeah I know it's a weird kind of duality to deal with, I don't at all support him or his shit views now but I still respect his standing up for people like me at a time when doing so was a major risk especially in the hip hop world.
@@pbfloyd13he was saved by jonah hill. We will see what he says on the new album that is in the works
As a black man, being in College when Kanye was at his prime....there was nothing like it. One of those "you had to be there" moments.
Facts. He was inspiring a lot of dropouts, though.
The industry always needs to take more than it gives, especially from Black folks.
Facts!!! And I was at a HBCU feeling extra woke and proud. It’s sad to witness what he has become.
That’s how it was with Kendrick for me
im 41 and dropped out of college way before kanye was around lol. but yeah i hear yall
This is a fact G🙏🏽💯💯💯💯💯 dude literally changed the game with these classic albums
Hi, mental health professional here.
I remember around the last election when Kanye was behaving very erratically (I think it was Nylah Burton?) mentioning that we culturally only make room for mental illness that expresses itself as mild anxiety and depression. We only wish to destigmatize mental health issues whose expression is understandable/relatable or makes someone into an unquestionable victim worthy of our sympathy. There is neither room nor sympathy for bipolar disorder, delusions, psychosis, narcissism, etc. I think this plays a large role in how many people treat and talk about Kanye. People have a hard time accepting this and it is confounded by race and gender in Kanye’s case.
I really appreciate the deep dive into this topic and value your insight as always. Thank you!
Definitely going I'm to this next vid
@DribsOscar lol, what a great impression of them. Spewing random numbers to rep their idol, bringing up other artists fanbases, trying to puff up your own fan credentials and "no true scottsmanning" anyone whose opinion you disagree with. The seething rage at even the slightest perceived threat to your hero. You hit all the major notes. Great work!
@DribsOscar It’s clear from your comment that you didn’t bother to watch the video.
Idk why you had to qualify this with “mental health professional here”
@@inarixo There are plenty of programs and even psycho educational videos to help you with that.
As a person with severe bipolar disorder Kanye is frustrating for me. I want to support him getting well. I know I've said and done shit in episodes, had black outs, delusions, and craziness. I'm fortunate not to do it on a world stage with everyone watching documenting everything I say. But I also know that if you're going to have this problem you have to take your meds, see your shrink, do the work. Learn your triggers or how to spot when you're going off the rails. I don't want him to be perfect but I want him to make an effort. Honestly maybe obscurity will be best for him. He can leave the public eye and get help and be healthier. Continuing to feed his ego and narcissism and propping him up just maintains his illusion/delusion.
How do you know how much effort he puts in?
@@kylevids3951Probably from living with the same condition bro.
Dude won't get well, he's a narcissist too on top of being bipolar. Can't tell narcissists anything....we can just focus on our own treatments to make our mental disorder less of a hassle. To put it lightly.
amen
clearly not enough effort@@kylevids3951
Its a shame Andre 3000 was not given his due credit here. Way too often Outkast is overlooked. It was Andre 3000 on Aquemini, Stankonia, and The Love Below that paved the way and inspired a new generation of rappers to be vulnerable, introspective, and to openly defy black male stereotypes. Andre 3000 is the rapper that made space for Kanye, Drake, Kid Cudi, Childish Gambino, and Kendrick to dominate the mainstream in the 2000s and beyond.
Other rappers had sung, had vulnerable/introspective/conscious lyrics, had experimented with other genres, had defied black male stereotypes, but Andre 3000 was the first rapper to do all of those things at once, while also succeeding at a mainstream level. More importantly than reaching a mass audience, he managed to be cool and widely accepted both in hip hop and broader society for who he was despite being so different and eclectic.
Don't get me wrong, Kanye was a huge part of making the blueprint for that entire lane but he didn't start that wave. Andre3k did that. Even musically it can be argued Outkast is Kanye's greatest influence, where do you think he got the inspiration to switch up his sound album to album from? Through The Wire uses Outkast drums for gods sake! Its a perfect metaphor for how essential OutKast was to what Kanye became.
Kanye is one of my favorite artists (I grew up on him) and he deserves his credit for being the first major solo act to build a successful career on that approach and then heavily influencing most of the newer generations greatest rappers/producers. Its just wrong to not mention Outkast or Andre 3000 at all in his story, feels bad man.
FD talks a lot about Andre 3000 in high Black Masculinity video, you should check it out :)
I was thinking the same thing.
They didn't create that, though. Plenty of rappers were doing that before Outkast. Scarface, LL, Mos Def, Common, Talib, Tribe and De La all paved the way for the Outkast's, and those who follow that mold.
@@IkePhillipRuffin Other than Tribe and LL Cool J, the other artists you mentioned were contemporaries of Outkast. I think East Coast “conscious” rap had this sort of self awareness and vulnerability well before Southern Rap. Outkast was definitely trailblazing those topics and themes as far as the South was concerned
It was tribe and dela that started this wave
Kanye West is patient zero of the 21st Century.
There have been hyper-celebrities struggling with mental health for a long time, but very few who have been as big as him, and lived under the level of scrutiny in our always-online media landscape. People are going to write books on what Kanye is going through.
21st century schizoid maaaan
So, what I'm hearing you saying is, Britney Spears and Kanye should make a baby together!
@@rainbowkrampus no but they are one in each other( see what I did there). But seriously they are two sides of the same coin
Interesting views
Britney Spears, Lauryn Hill, Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys.
I miss the old Kanye, straight from the 'Go Kanye
Chop up the soul Kanye, set on his goals Kanye
I hate the new Kanye, the bad mood Kanye
The always rude Kanye, spaz in the news Kanye
I miss the sweet Kanye, chop up the beats Kanye
I gotta to say at that time I'd like to meet Kanye
See I invented Kanye, it wasn't any Kanyes
And now I look and look around and there's so many Kanyes
I used to love Kanye, I used to love Kanye
I even had the pink polo, I thought I was Kanye
What if Kanye made a song about Kanye
Called "I Miss The Old Kanye, " man that would be so Kanye
That's all it was Kanye, we still love Kanye
And I love you like Kanye loves Kanye
I love this because it shows that Kanye is aware of the issues and he has the desire in him to reconnect with what has been lost to the circus of fame. It's bittersweet but I think a lot of us relate to him, we miss our old selves before the world broke us.
Such an underrated and clever look at oneself
@@shrimpscampin I agree, but on the other hand it sort of seems like satire of the other ppl who say this stuff about kanye
@@gm6393 It's definitely that too but the self awareness is pretty evident IMO
Where is that rhyme from ?
I have always known Kanye was bipolar, being bipolar myself I could see him struggling with the same struggles I do. It saddens me that instead of learning to cope healthily with his issues, he instead dived head first into the mania and depression and found solace in ego. Bipolar is a disease that requires constant self awareness to keep in check and instead of developing those skills to stay level, he embraced the grandiose delusions that come with bipolar and completely lost his true sense of self. I hate that the people who have provided him the validation and comfort he craves are manipulative far right personalities and so he has thrown his lot in with them.
Bot.
@@deathjab4161 painfully ironic.
Im a black woman and thank you for explaining to me why I can’t let go of Old Kanye, It’s kinda sick,I literally damn near ignore most of the dumb stuff he does because “Old Kanye” is in there somewhere and I love him😭😭😭 Come back Kanye!!!! I literally have a religious experience when “Two words “ , “ Crack Music” “Bring Me Down” and “Diamonds from Sierra Leon” 🤦🏾♀️ Intense pain can and will change you sometimes, not always for the better. I didn’t understand until I lost my Mom 2 years ago.
How are you doing now? :S
It's a bit like Ashoka and to a lesser degree, Obi-Wan(prior to the final episode of Kenobi season 1) with Darth Vader - they knew who Anakin Skywalker is/was and find it hard to give up.
Sometimes at work I just scream "may all your pain be champagne...yayaaaaaa" and people look at me like a crazy person. I always try to have a balanced approach to things. It's okay to say "damn Kanye is an anti-semite" while also understanding what he did for music and his fans, and I always try to remember he most likely has pretty severe bipolar with possible psychosis as well. If I met Kanye today I would still treat him like any other person and try to ask him about music and himself. But I'm a strange person and have the ability to talk to people calmly even if they've done horrible things. I still want to try to understand who they are and why they do what they do.
The old Kanye is the real Kanye. The new one is a parody of himself.
Not enough people talk about Two Words, that song is amazing
Man...the psychological toll of kayfabe is real! As a lifelong black nerd, I still remember black AND white kids saying that Paul Wall was "blacker" than me because I didn't portray a 'hood' persona...that shit was infuriating and hurtful.
I think you're right. I'm a white dude and I'm seeing Kanye wearing polo shirts and sweaters and I'm like, wait this is approachable. We have shit in common. The themes of his music were rad. And made for great basement party tracks.
Hey, we out here. Deep breaths man. You ARE alright just the way you are. That insecurity that people use against you is their own insecurity of not being able to put things in categories.
I hated that. Like damn, I gotta be constricted to the box of blackness and stepping out nullifies my skin color and experiences? Aight then
we are all survivors and are so used to going it alone. we need a support group, lol. i love who i am and i had to fight out of the trenches during my developmental years.
Man those type of comments used to kill me too. You just feel alienated because the one people you think would have your back, turn their backs on you just because you're not a "specific type of black". That shit cuts deep man
I love the Kayfabe analogy. The smokescreen of defending violent music as street reporting always created cognitive dissonance, since descriptions of crimes were recognized to be literary flourishes. But if, like you’ve said, rappers were obligated to defend their persona’s lore, or amplify their personality like a wrestler staying in character, that just rings true. Great insight
Kayfabe is such a great word, too, and it describes a concept that doesn't really have a definition. When we don't have a definition for something, then how can we collectively notice it and what it does?
I remember Christopher Brian Bridges correcting an interviewer saying "Ludacris is a character.."
I don’t know why exactly, but I absolutely love your use of the English language in this comment, I’m gonna subscribe to you now so I can use your videos as background noise 😂 if you ever decide to write a book or something please inform me if you have the time, I’d love the read an entire book filled with English usage like this.
Y don't you upload anymore
@@jasonhealy8142 Definitely the best insight I've gotten from one of his videos.
Watching this during his whole “white lives matter” debacle and it hurts. Everyday I wear either the graduation bear or the 808s heart on the steel chain on my neck because that’s how much Kanye’s music and persona until about 2013 mean to me. But I’m strongly considering just putting those pieces away because the man who’s art and whole persona touched me to my core is now everything that he once stood against. Ever since the trump situation it’s been so hard to defend him, as someone who has my own mental health issues I could sympathize with what he’s going through, but at this point it’s beyond just mental health. Yes it’s much of what got him to this point stems from these issues, but he has changed so much and it truly is a toxic relationship I have with this man as a figure in my life
yo ma man I hope it gets better for you
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
(oh my goodness, this is a paragraph i am….so. sorry.)
my dad had kanye playing a lot when we were in the car together. so when i was in high school and up until last year, i wanted to delve deeper into his sound and get a real feel for the music now that i’m older. i really enjoyed learning about his creative process and watching video essays about his work. i started to build some respect for him because i’m a creative person too, but don’t have a huge amount of drive like kanye did. he was inspiring to me and i was hoping his “outbursts” and…”dramatic moments” were behind him and he was gonna be just fine. or at least the best he could. but it’s gotten so conflicting and upsetting to watch him go back to making negative statements and doing huge “stunts.” especially after learning about some of his past and finding out that his mom passed, i started to relate to him more than i thought i would. my dad passed when i was young and it was the lowest few years of my life. much like kanye’s mom, we were attached at the hip and he let me be my truest self around him. i’m still trying to keep it moving after struggles with my own mental health. so learning about my own grief and mental health really made me realize that kanye must’ve really been struggling, but change with his mental health needs to happen for the better. not all treatment works the same for everyone, but he should at least be exploring his options for treatment. wether it’s medication that works for his brain chemistry or talking to a therapist. at this point anything would be a step in the right direction for him and it could turn into something even more beneficial. he could focus his energy and attitude on music and other projects rather than spewing negativity like he is right now. if kanye can keep that positive change in his life, it would be amazing. because let’s face it. no one who appreciates him wants to see him like this. :(
hope ur doing well after all the shit that just went down with Alex jones
Why are y’all so fixated on having some kind of figure to idolize?
Stop being sheep and live your life the way you wanna live it stop letting celebrity figures change your perspective just because they are growing and you aren’t 💀
Kanye is ahead of his time always someday y’all will come around and actually listen to what he’s tryin to say
You should teach real courses like this, I swear. This was really insightful. I'm just a young white guy from a small town in the midwest, far away from ever hearing about or understanding hiphop or Black culture's influence at all. I had only ever known Kanye as a kind of aloof, disturbed musical genius. I just thought of him as some guy that went off the rails for whatever reason. I never understood how incredibly influential he was to pop culture and Black culture as a whole, so this was really, really interesting. I feel like I'm finally coming to understand just how tragic and devastating his mental and social decline really is.
You officially invited to the annual Barbecue 😂🙏🏿🖤🤞
@@1takemedia238yall be giving out these dam barbecue tickets for everything 😭
40:38 okay as a queer person I had no idea that this had happened. I'm highly critical of modern Kanye for obvious reasons, but I've always respected him immensely as an artist and as a public figure. I actually met him once and he was nothing but kind to me. I had no idea he went to bat for gay people back then. I remember how homophobic that time period was and it's incredible that he spoke up. I often talk about the difference between goodness and greatness. Kanye flirts with both, he's a complicated person. He has both my respect and my condemnation. I think the world is inarguably better for him being in it.
Didn't know either. Based.
@@nathanjasper512 very much so
I was thinking the EXACT same thing. It really didn't surprise me, but it made me happy to see. I've always loved older Kanye, but that made me respect him even more. As a gay man, I've always loved hip hop, but felt odd about it's relationship with who I am. To see a rapper of his caliber, at that time, say something like that just kind of blows my mind.
Oh you nailed it. "I often talk about the difference between goodness and greatness. Kanye flirts with both." *Chef's kiss*
Sway still ain't got the answers 😂😂😂
I think that the ultimate reason we haven't given up on him is that we had this introspective, sensitive, break out of box yet masculine rapper who became successful and we want to see that black success mixed with kindness has a happy ending and doesn't become a Greek tragedy.
I think the Greek tragedy is already playing out.
@@bethanychatman9531 exactly
Yea. I held on, but I had to let him go. The damage was too much for me.
kindness?
I dont buy that, tbh. But that's fine and i can accept it bcoz that's your guys' take. I just wish the Blk community (and the world) was as sensitive with and to bw who start out as faves then make mistakes. Like chrisette michel
I'll be honest, I'm a white dude who has always been perplexed by the love of Kanye and when I wonder why people still gave a shit about him, I definitely wasn't asking in bad faith, I just straight up didn't understand it. He always seemed like an egomaniac shit hustler to me.
This was an enlightening video on why there was such a love for him, and I really appreciate your channel and how it helps me evolve my perspective by better being able to understand yours.
It's kinda like the downfall of MJ the sad part is Kanye brought it on himself whereas Michael..
Oh wait.. no he brang it in himself also
No its more like O.J
No wait
As someone with a father with schizoaffective disorder (basically schizophrenia + bipolar disorder to put simply), I see a ton of my dad in Kanye West behavior. It’s heart breaking seeing someone so grounded turn into someone so disconnected from reality.
Kanye is the true definition of someone who needed help, but was ignored for profit. Also I think blackness and our culture's relationship with mental health forever play a role in this predicament. Will never doubt Kanye's abilities to create powerful and influential music. He also (from an outside looking in perspective) seems very lost and troubled and lately I believe it has had an affect on his music, the industry, and the culture for better or worse. Interested to see this video later today and see the future of Kanye.
It's so sad to see how as he lost people that actually knew him, his mom, older friends, his first fiance, and started being surrounded by yes men, clowns and people who want to exploit his talent, he has become unhinged and probably untethered to reality, and when you don't have people who challenge you, call you out on your bs and hear them because you love them and they love you back, and we add the factor of mental health, we get this picture of a very troubled and I still believe the very talented man.
We're as good as our closest friends, mentors and pillars can help us become.
He is well aware of his condition he said he takes medication for it.
Genuinely it feels one of the reasons people still stick by is because recent Kanye...I mean, to me, feels like something is just wrong. Rather than someone who just genuinely has bad views, opinions, etc... I'm not going to try and diagnose him of course. And mental health, among other things, is not excuse to get away from anything.
But as you point out, the seemingly failure of those around him to support him in the right ways and the predatory environment of the entertainment industry, I can undersrand why its hard to just write him off (especially given all the context to his history given in this video)
I don't know. It's hard. I get people walking away. But it's clearly not a simple issue.
did you help your self today before talking about helping a made man, an adult that does what he wants 🤣🤣🤣 y’all are sad thinking people are lost because they didn’t stick to the idea you have of them.
Not only ignored, the issues he needed help with were exploited FOR profit and our entertainment. It's sickening. Kanye is aware of this, I'm sure. I feel like he's addressed it but he gets gaslit as crazy cuz yea, he is "crazy" in a lot of ways because of trauma and mental illness, but he also gets called crazy when he highlights how manipulative the industry is about it.
I’m curious how you feel about OutKast, especially Andre. He definitely broke the mole on the typical hyper masculine rapper. The more they stepped away from the stereotype the more successful they became. They were the precursor to Kanye.
I looooooooove Outkast (Andre is my man crush everyday 😅). I want to see a video about them too, Source Awards and all
Andre was definitely the prototype (lmao) for the non-hyper-masculine rapper but Kanye took that image and sorta made it more accessible/desirable. Like, there weren't any kids my age that were trying to wear green jockey outfits but everyone had a pink polo.
That's exactly why I came to comments. Andre 3000 was different and mainstream before kanye became hot 🔥
I love Outkast so much! I saw them at my college
@@mowkikowski I agree with you but keep in mind Andre didn't start that way he evolved into the more eccentric outfits after dating Erykah Badu. But your point so remains valid
I'm a hard of hearing person, and just wanted to thank you for your skills in diction, and the pace at which you speak. It's truly enjoyable. Thank you 💜
I’d love written captions as well (as opposed to the automatic captions)
This is really fascinating and helpful. I'm a white woman born in 1997, had no idea who Kanye was until 2009ish with "Stronger." This really helps me understand how damn revolutionary he was and why people still check for him and hope to see him return to his former self.
Wanted to say I really appreciate this insight into somebody I've only ever known for his weird public persona. I'm a 43 y/o white guy who's deeply into rock and metal, so for me he's Kim's Kardashian's crazy (ex)husband and only heard his music through Goldigger at a party or something.
It's always revealing to see how completely insulated you can be from movements in society that are hugely influential to others.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks for viewing it that way. I’m deep into classic 60s/70s rock but love Kanye and it has me fuming sometimes when people who generally have good taste in music start shitting on Kanye without knowing anything about him when he’s the closest thing to the David Bowie of rap
Such an interesting perspective to not have been impacted by his first two albums, being 43 (around my age), but I also can think of many examples where I've been insulated af. (After getting my post-graduate degree, it literally felt like I was coming out from under a rock, like "What's everybody been up to?"😅)
I'm similar as a late-30s mainly rock and metal fan with not much hip-hop knowledge. The thing about Kanye was, the way that people would talk about him (mainly I'm talking about other people like me who aren't hip hop fans and only knew him through his crazy behaviour), I could tell there was just something not quite right about it. The level of vitriol directed towards him when (and I'm not defending him) there are surely other people in a similar position who've behaved much worse, it just seemed disproportionate to me. I could quite put my finger on it and it seemed too simplistic to say 'it must be because he's black', so I've always just kept quiet about it. I'm interested in seeing a take on it from someone who actually knows about the context and can give a bit more insight.
@@aliquidcow I think it had a lot to do with people who straight up don't respect Hip Hop hearing Kanye say he's the biggest musical genius of all time. IE, 'I don't even think you're very talented, but you're making millions of dollars and getting adoration from millions of people and you think you're such hot shit.'
Like if you were passionate about, say, movie making and M. Night Shyamalan kept getting huge Appearances and truckloads of cash saying he's the best director who ever lived.
@@cosmo7779 facts
"Even if you looks like Steve Urkel and talked like Calton Banks, they expect that deep down you're 50 Cent"
I felt that and I was a black metal/goth kid back in the late 90s/early 00s
Heavy metal is the ultimate kayfabe genre.
“Too many Urkels on your team that’s why your Wins-low”
@@EpicWin1337 oh for sure. I havent been to a metal show in a few years but my favorite thing back then was getting tickets to a death metal show, putting on my favorite Death or Atheist sleeveless shirt, cut-off black jeans, tying a bandana around my long ass hair, and moshing with a bunch of other dudes dressed the same exact way. I'm like the least violent person ever, I get mad if I accidently step on a bug and never been in a fight. But I love music about death, terror, and destruction... and moshing is a blast. It's all a performance
so was I so that hit home and hit deep
I've slept on this guy for far too long. Every video is a banger
I know righttt!!
Man, watching this after the "i like Hitler" ordeal really brings the point across
This seems tough. On one hand you keep rooting for this person because of how they shaped you and what their art means to you and the culture, but on the other hand they are advocating for hurtful policies that affect your community. This seems similar to what has been going on with J. K. Rowling. It's not something easy to address and I really appreciate all the nuance and thought that you put in your analysis. As someone who isn't black nor american I learn a lot from your videos and I enjoy your perspective very much. I'll be waiting for part two!
Yeah i think theres a lot of similarity with Rowling. I plan to touch on it in part 2. But yest it's tough.
@@FDSignifire You finna do a video on J.K. Rowling, too, or you gonna leave that for somebody else?
@@geocyo8835 if you haven't you should check Trans youtuber Natalie Wynn's (Contrapoints) video on JK Rowling. Since JK goes after trans people mostly. Any F.D. video on this subject would be pretty great though.
@@geocyo8835 others got that one covered. I may touch on it but I'm not big Harry Potter fan nor trams. Contrapoints did a great vid on it.
This is one of the hardest parts about art. Lots of it comes from flawed people who are not as inspiring as their artform.
I've only heard the hits, but my favorite line of his was from testify, "back when they thought pink polos would hurt the roc" he's straight up saying your masculinity is so fragile that it gets obliterated if you wear the wrong color
Which was certainly true at the time. Kanye did\said so many things that were deemed 'uncool' or taboo
that’s touch the sky! but i love that line too
I never listened to Kanye, but I’m actually sad seeing the love lost. You made me go and look through his albums. Good work!
I've never been into hip hop or wrestling at all, but you're such a passionate and thoughtful speaker it's easy to enjoy 55 minutes hearing you talk about it, and I can't wait to watch Part 2!
AHHHHHH I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS
me toooo! the timing of this is perfect ! i saw a quote recently that had me think twice about my hateful attitude toward kanye: " i only love god as much as the person i love the least". i'm hoping this video will help me hold more compassion.
Omg I adore your channel Khadija!
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cuz now i KNOW i’m in for some quality content😌
i love ur videos btw 😍
i literally always learn something new from each 1 & i genuinely appreciate u for that so yeah, thx🤗
Omg it’s Khadija!!!🖤🖤🖤
FD, I’m 15 minutes in and already feeling so emotional. I’m Black woman, was in middle school when Dropout dropped and I’ll never forget how I felt the first time I heard Thru the Wire. Kanye’s music saved my life later on in college, hell 2 if my tattoos are bars of his. But damn if he hasn’t been making me sick these last few years. Thank you for taking the time to make this with respect and heart. Sometimes it feels like no one gets why I ever was a fan to begin with let alone now… it’s so so comforting to hear this from a Black man’s perspective. Already shared this with friends 🙌🏽
I'm watching this the same day Kanye said that Hitler had good ideas and posted a swastika. As a white women born in 2000 I've struggled to understand why so many have always gone back to him but this video taught me so much. His impact on black masculinity has clearly shaped and affected black millennial men as well as guys own my age. It must of meant so much to finally see aspects of yourself in celebrity black man and to be able to connect to rap music in a new way. I'm truly so sorry for all the black men that lost someone that they should still be able appreciate and admire but no longer can. I know if Taylor Swift ever started saying anti-semitic shit I would be crying and loosing my mind.
@@JFirecracker but they can't replace him
@@maliprince8703 Why I said 'if at all possible'-- I'm not going to detract from the genius of his older compositions; but at this point in the game, there's a lot of choices who bring similar energy to the table, dig?
@@JFirecracker Yeah my bad bro
@@JFirecracker clipping is fantastic
@@JFirecracker honestly as someone who considers Kanye to be the greatest of all time, I feel like JPEGMAFIA legit has the talent to be on par with Kanye esp if he keeps up the quality, his discog is already an all-timer tier catalog imo. He definitely does have that same sort of energy early Kanye had
Coming back to this in Nov 2022 hits different
This video is incredible. Kanye was a big hero to me and my brother growing up, as a black creative and reshaping the way I viewed Hip-Hop and my own self. Seeing a strong video on this platform addressing this complicated relationship a lot of us have with him is refreshing. Amazing work as always.
luv your vids too bro 🤝
This video is a phenomenal contribution to Black art, hip-hop, and culture. I am so grateful for this and you.
I initially peeped your vids due to a recommendation from Adam Millard - this video in particular - and as a black dude myself, I am so glad I checked you out. Looking forward to binging your older content for a bit.
I hope this isn't weird but I wish I had a male figure like you in my life. You are doing the work and as a fellow black male you inspire me. 😭 youre a touchstone in this youtube game.
This is the purest comment on the internet
As a black man that grew up in a predominantly white community, this channel has been helping me understand my blackness more. I wished I had someone like this man in my life as a kid, but also just grateful these videos exist.
This is so kind! I hope he sees this!!
🥺 Man, this is why it's important to have people like him speaking on this platform.
There is a program called Big Brothers in a lot of cities that has good mentors. Also it's ok if u find a wht male mentor. My dad is wht tbh (I'm mixed) & he was a male figure to my brothers friends & a lot of kids on our block who did not have dads at the house
thank you so much for this video and all of your work. I'm black + nigerian and have a brother who fell down the conservative pipeline and has mental health issues (our whole family has mental health issues) that he is not getting help with. it hurts me because we used to be so, so close, and he was such a funny, emotional, and understanding person. but his illness and conservatism has driven us apart, especially with me being nonbinary trans man. he has always been a big kanye fan and reminds me of kanye a lot. the trajectory of his life has a lot of parallels with kanye so this was a very emotional watch.
i feel like I've left this comment before so sorry if this is redundant! but your videos are so important on this youtube space because I feel like a lot of black (cis/het) men are struggling to find an outlet for their emotions about racism and masculinity, and are often not comfortable discussing that with black people of marginalized genders. this can push them further into toxic behavior or even into the arms of white conservatism. so your work, speaking to them from a black cishet perspective, is so valuable in reaching them and I'm so glad you make videos. i hope other progressive black men also gain platforms on youtube and join you in this! if you have any recommendations please lmk 💜
I thought my mom would enjoy this video because she likes pop culture analysis and such, also I thought that the wrestling analogy was very cool and accessible. Anyway I was watching this with my mom on the TV and then my little brother starts watching with us and now they're both super into your stuff, we ended up watching at least 3 hours of your videos. The two of them are still watching but I'm going to bed since its almost midnight, anyway thanks so much for your perspective on so many things I anticipate great success for you and your channel.
watching this after the past week has really got me in the feels. especially when he literally went mask on.
man i never was really invested in kanye, never listened to any of his albums entirely, and this was just packed full of relevations. that ending, him losing two important black women, made me tear up a bit because as a gen z black kid, i only know the part 2 kanye. the foreshadowing of what's to come is so much more tragic with this new perspective of what he was. I totally feel represented by this part 1 kanye, as just a middle class black kid who doesn't live up to the kayfabe of rappers, and completly understand that respect & admiration you have for him. gonna go listen to his first 3 albums now
I grew up in the same era as Fiq. I was a sophmore in High school rather than college. Fiq does a brilliant job laying out how much of an underdog he was. We were all hoping he would get the attention he deserved because rappers were promoted so cliche at the time. Part of Kanye's downfall is the fact he was doubted and overlooked for such a long time. So when he went off the deep end it seemed hard to stop because he looked at as the same doubt. I've been off the Kanye train since St. Pablo but Fiq did a great job explaining why our generation elevated him for so long. When we heard his mom died, we all felt a way.
all his albums up through yeezus are pretty fantastic
im a old zoomer and witnessed the face to heel transition. I became a big Kanye fan a little before graduation and witnessed all of the heel moments live like the Katrina and Taylor incident live on tv, shit even obama called him a jackass. Like kanye was public enemy number 1 & almost killed himself due to the hate. I still fw him despite all of the crap because i believe he is redeemable.
When those albums came out, my sons were in elementary school. All three of them say ye impacted their lives. They go hard for ye to their friends!
Could I ask how old you are? I know online that’s often a loaded question but I really am curious just for reference, appreciate your post
I had to stop watching halfway to pull my husband over, restart the video and watch it together. I really think this is one of your best essays. The parallels between wrestling and the performance of Black masculinity is so fcking MASTERFUL, I cannot find any other word to describe it.
Bravo. Bravo. Please consider writing this as well because it should absolutely be something people can read. It is so brilliant.
Man... ever since Kanye's "Slavery is a choice" I lost all empathy, and somehow - I think that last line " a friend who lost his way,.." kinda made me rethink how I feel about hiim. Great great work dude.
That was his death nail for me also.
I’m white Hispanic - I grew up not knowing anything beyond Kanye existing as a rapper, until he partnered Kim and became part of the national conversation. I also remember, vaguely, something regarding him, Taylor Swift, and his mother’s death. When I saw the interview clip of him talking about calling his mom in the bathroom, I paused it, looked at my own mother and said: oh now I get why Kanye went crazy.
As someone with a disability, my mother was my only bond for a very long time. I’m actively working in therapy on how to survive her eventual death. My heart goes out to Kanye.
it is painfull to see how full of life he was back the and his current state, kudos to you for starting therapy. it is a huge step but I am sure you could benefit a lot
The fact you think him being with Kim made him apart of the “national conversation”. 😂😂
"Streetlights" is my favorite Kanye song.
I was actually having a conversation with my husband and roommate the other day about Kanye and I couldn't get them to understand why I care about him so much. My life has only ever been knowing others with, and having myself, neurodivergence and mental illness. I don't need to know him personally to know he's struggling. I don't need to know how deep his problems go to hope there is help for him somewhere. And I don't need to like who he's being to want to see him get and be better. It's like reading the origin story of a super villain; what brought them to this point doesn't excuse their actions, but pretending that morality is a switch that, once turned to "evil", can never be turned back to "good", is not only dooming others to same fate, it's cursing them to it. It's not a spectacle, it's not funny or pathetic, it's Kanye West, a real person whose life matters.
Streetlights is so beautiful. It plays in my head anytime I'm in a cab late at night
His 2015 live performance is somehow even better.
That song brings me to an emotional place that not much else can. Beautiful record
His music made and still makes me feel like I belong and I’m not alone. Even with all of the stuff that’s come since, nothing will change the influence his stuff had on me
I’ve been on a binge of your videos lately and from your social to hip hop content is A1!
I found this video very informative. As Jewish kid from Brooklyn, this changed my opinion and understanding of the nature of people's relationship and attachment to Kanye. I can see this from a more compassionate, less dismissive, point of view now.
Will See YE at the next bar mitzvah😂
As someone who only really met the 2016 on Kanye as a young teen it is an absolutely surreal experience watching this. I feel....I don't even know what. This is just an experience.
Same here. The old clips of Kanye are...eye opening on their own. But this is incredibly interesting and thought provoking.
The use of wrestling terminology as the framework was so helpful to understanding the arc Kanye has evolved through. This was really illuminating as a younger person that didn’t see much of his early years in real time. Thank you for sharing and doing what you do!
12:50 really spoke to me... I cant tell you how many times I was told I wasn't black cause I didn't fit the stereotypical experience of a black man... It was really rough
the thing that's so great about Late Registration is that it's such a singular album regardless of the historical context. as someone who grew up in the mid-2010s and was constantly hearing artists like Drake, Travis Scott, Migos, and Big Sean (no hate to any of those guys btw), Late Registration absolutely blew my mind because its sound is still so unique and fundamentally different from any hip-hop or music in general that I had ever heard. The mark of a truly great album is that it still sounds new and groundbreaking a full decade after its release. maybe my favorite album of all time
I really think his mother's death affected him in more than one way. He really did love her.
I think many people don't realize how his mom's death dramatically changed Kanye as a person
I remember when I worked at Foot Locker back in the day (pre-Graduation to Yeezus era), me and my friend would often spend our entire shifts talking about Kanye and what his art meant to us. Like straight up 6 hours of philosophizing and debating about his music catalogue, fashion, interviews, everything. As artsy, backpack-wearing black kids, we felt like he really repped for us.
I haven't listened to anything he's put out in the last 4 or 5 years because it's honestly hard to witness the transformation he's gone thru. The switch from old Kanye to new Kanye also coincided with my own transition into real-deal adulthood and leaving my hometown, so it really feels like what his new vibe represents is a point-of-no-return type situation. For me personally his transformation carries with it the baggage of losing my own youthful innocence, so it's extra painful to witness.
That's interesting. You should listen to Ye and life of Pablo. You'd be glad you did
@@emilitious7886 i actually liked most of TLOP. maybe i'll check out Ye one day
Same here! From meant so much to cringey and suss. I haven't even pressed play on this video bc I don't wanna cry over my brother.
P.S.: I've tried to go back and play the old shit many times (cuz they were bangers, with soul) but, like you said, it hit a little different now.
@@pysq8 I get emotional listening to the graduation… at first I’m happy like “I remember this feeling” then it’s sadness that this person no longer exists. 😔
@@labelsandlife yeah man, it's that "you had to be there" type feeling... When it came out, he reminded of MJ as a young adult, just happy to do his thang... Never conceived how much like older MJ he'd be (seen as).
The music industry is so tough on creative humans.
I cannot stress enough just how much i enjoy your content as a whole. your deep dives into various topics are one of my favorite ways to pass time, as a psych and sociology student i find your stuff so absorbing and as a black boy so relatable and educational. much love from south africa
As a guy that really loves late 80's early 90's gangsta rap (G-Funk), the comparison to pro wrestling was really fantastic. Glad I found your channel Fiq, it's great for me to hear what you've got to say because most of the leftist (and adjacent) ideas I've picked up have been from other white people. You're out here doing a public service.
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I was in 3rd grade when "Through the Wire" came out and it really made me feel something that I hadn't gotten from music before. It made me cry! My family was usually poor so we often didn't have cable, but we did have it around 2003. What a great time to have experienced MTV before they stopped playing videos. Songs I remember from this time were Freek-A-Leek - Petey Pablo, Yeah! - Usher, Right Thurr - Chingy, Tipsy - J-Kwon. Kanye was just very different than everyone but super talented and I resonated with that. Young men started wearing pastel/neon colors and polos. Also the shutter shades were BIG later on. I hit puberty around this time too, so it was good to have a counter to the common portrayal of black men in media at the time. My parents just never gave me any advice on dating or relationships, so in a way I did start to think that the black male dating pool would consist of people like the ones I saw in the rap videos. (Also have to shoutout Outkast's Stankonia and Speakerboxxx/The Love Below for being positive influences) Kayfabe is a great way to explain a rapper's persona, but it wasn't something I completely understood as a child and I was very into wrestling lol. Just didn't know how to apply it to other media because the rappers I saw didn't represent any black men I knew until I connected them to people like Kanye or Lupe Fiasco. When I saw the video for "All Falls Down", it was notable to me how Kanye was following the woman, showed affection (lacking in my home) and was making the decision to let her go even though it was hard. He was supporting her and not controlling her. At least that was my kid interpretation. This is when I started getting sent to church, and it was a different message about relationship roles than from what I got from evangelicalism. I even nicknamed my tiny hatchback Alexis when I came up. Also what happen to Stacey Dash? A crying shame.
I can't explain how painful it is to see him spiral like this after his mother died. My mom died tragically a few years ago and my brother hasn't handled it well at all. When talking to my dad about Kanye's behavior, he said something like "Everybody's mother dies, when is he going to get over it?" Note my father's mother died when he was a baby. Our black men are hurting and I'm not completely sure if they always know why. I love all your videos! I really want to understand black men's perspectives as a black woman, but black men are not the easiest people to get to be vulnerable or open to talking. These help me understand the men in my life a lot.
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Your videos are so eye- opening to the black male perspective and I can't thank you enough. I feel like I really don't know black men like I thought I did.
Bruh..sorry for the second comment, but you really just opened my eyes with the kayfabe concept; thank you once again ✊🏾🖤
Not being aware of this has destroyed way too many folks lives smh
This video hits so much heavier in recent times. It really highlights the lack of attention he's allowed/has been allowed to him to guide him through his attitude, his grief, his outlook and his self esteem. I loved Kanye as an artist, wasn't sure about his bravado, but he didn't come across nearly as problematic as he is now. I can't even listen to my favourite tracks anymore. He's completely muddied.
Okay I finally got to finish this and Imma let you finish...but....what about Andre 3000??? He was definitely not in the gangsta rap category and was pretty flamboyant, but maybe he was TOO different to Kanye...
Nvm
I just answered my own question.
Andre had far less of a broad impact. He had been out since the mid 90s and the culture still looked like what it did by the time Kanye came. After kanye you see a complete paradigm shift throughout hip hop.
And I would agree that Andre was a bit too much in his expression, but the irony is Andre's masculinity was never jn question while Kanye's was... there's something there. Another video for another time.
@@FDSignifire Pleeeaaaaasssee but I also recall 3000 rapping about how people were asking him if the was gay. I can't remember the song but it's maybe on ATLiens
That happened but that was pretty light. 3 stacks got the same pass prince got. There's some black men who's sex appeal is so heavy that no level of toxic masculinity is gonna affect them lol. There's also an element to Kanye like forcing himself into a group that didn't really want him vs Kast always being in their own space.
Can we get this video?
“We are in a toxic relationship with kanye” … and now my mind is a little more open about this topic. I’m listening
This is the first time I learned of Kanye’s mother’s passing and have had to consider it as an explanatory event for his behavior. I’m a little dumbfounded that it took so long for me to learn that. I’ve never been a fan of his music but that’s more from not listening than it is a dislike of things I’ve heard. But I know a whole lot of pop culture knowledge about his antics, and never can I remember his mother’s death as an element there.
She was what kept him (mostly) stable. Acte rkksijg that anchor we get this :/
His mother was his biggest supporter.
One of the best scholars of Danish hip hop culture (and scholars in Denmark on hip hop culture in general) is Peter "PTA" Trier Aagaard, who stylises himself as a "hiphop, wrestling, and Simpsons expert". You’re definitely not the first nor only one to have drawn parallels between these scenes. Great video! I’ll go watch part 2 now. :)
I just hope someday, Kanye will realize that he can be genius without being manic, and that getting help is not weakness.
EDIT: Kanye indeed evolve the taste of Hip-hop fans, I was a teenager when his 4 first album came out, graduation was very formative, it gave confidence that I be a black man and like "white" music, I could be a black man and not look gangsta, I could be black man and deviate from fitting into my stereotype. Nowadays, I just want Kanye to be well.
Maaaaaann.... I was avoiding this one for a while because I wasn't ready for the emotional roller coaster. I was fine accepting and writing off today's Kanye for all of his problematic behavior, but... It just... It REALLY HURTS to see your role model back in his Hay Day and knowing that he became broken, twisted, and never coming back.
But thank you Fiq the Signifier for making this video. It means a lot to me and I'm sure I'll be watching it at least 20 more times in the future
I first came across this video thanks to Super Eyepatch Wolf and I'm so glad that I did, and the fact that you're a wrestling fan and use it as a way to tell about the bizarre life of one very, VERY bizarre man is really impressive.
I'm eating these vids like potato chips
Side note, now I selfishly want a wrestling video from you. Idk what it’ll be about but there are plenty of topics revolving around wrestling and it’s complex relationship with POC’s that can be explored.
Oh it's definitely on the list. I just gotta figure out the angle
@@FDSignifire from Sweet Georgia Brown to New Jack, it’s been a complicated relationship for non white folks and wrestling
@@FDSignifire I NEEEEEED IIIIIT
Ooooooooh, that's going to be SO GOOD
I used to bash my brother about still watching wrestling until he told me wrestling to him is like soap operas to me. It’s a story line with characters that comes on consistently & while watching there are characters you love and ones you hate. After this explanation I never gave him crap about watching wrestling again.
A video idea you may have done.
Your baby face / heal analogy reminded me of the rise of baby face trump. And how close those parallels are.
I feel like a dope for having seen you on Eyepatch Wolf's recent video on content creation and NOT checking your stuff out sooner. High quality stuff man, look forward to diving into the back catalog now!
Less than ten minutes in and I find myself agreeing with this new perspective presented to me. That is to say, Rick Ross is 100% kayfabe in rap music. So is Drake. So is Cardi B.
Who does Drake pretend to be? He's a sensitive guy who sings about girls he's simping over. That's not kayfabe lol
Its kind of wild that Kanye established the idea of a rapper who chooses to express himself "out of the traditional rapper persona" but Drake made that into his own kayfabe in ways.
@@rudrakshmalik7202 what do you mean?
@@anonuniversal364 I think Drake uses his sensitivity as a trope because it's largely disconnected from his actual life/experiences.
@@anonuniversal364 i think rudrash meant that while kanye was made as famous as he is due to his lack of his persona, his open authenticity and sensitivity, drake seems to use a seemingly manufactured authenticity and sensitivity as his persona.
It’s sad to see how young and brilliant and full of hope and gratitude and joy he used to be. Compared to the egotistical, man weighed down by the things that he’s been through and his inability to heal from trauma. His first record was like fresh ass lemonade on a hot day. Now, his music sounds like a heavy coat on a hot day.
His music is still amazing. Sunday service is beautiful & im an atheist. The framing effect, ideological biases and hive mind are imo why people are saying he fell off. The Gospel Ye is currently producing is magnificent and the hip hop even tho not at the level it once was is still better than the vast majority of whats been released nowadays.
his music is still great.
I bet you have some trauma to heal from yourself
You’re trippin
@@epictubegamer facts
Man, your videos are so entertaining. I can listen to you speak for hours and love the editing you add to keep our attention.
This was fantastic. Thanks for taking the time to make it 👍
One caveat that people don’t mention often is that his conversion to Christianity is probably an attempt to reconnect with his mother(she was religious).
As far as Kanye’s mental health issues, we can attribute that to the death of his mother as well as the nature of his profession.
As far as his character, he has not changed, he always played the contrarian. In the past, he was loved for openly stating “Bush doesn’t like black people” and interrupting Taylor Swift to say Beyoncé had a better song.
Now that popular culture has tilted a little left, to remain a contrarian he must shift right. By wearing a maga hat he isn’t betraying the old Kanye, he is protecting his sense of identity.
Thats an insightful observation
@@FDSignifire I’m wishing your channel much success man. Keep going!
@Mark Matsiko I have often wondered: What if Beyoncé had publicly agreed? Was Beyoncé protecting her sense of identity or Kayfabe within the music industry at that time (let Swift have her moment)? If some blk people especially in the US admired Kanye for saying that Bush didn’t like blk people, wasn’t Kanye just saying what many regardless of race felt at that time re. album of the year going to Taylor Swift? Later, even when Adele won album of the year over Beyoncé’s Lemonade album, Adele had to concede herself at the 59th Grammy’s that she couldn’t possibly accept the award - Beyoncé looking on sitting front row and centre…I guess it’s not what Kanye says but the way he says things
I think he produced some of Taylor's songs too. And even that drama with putting a lookalike of her on the cover of one house album. They had talked before.
I think he is the type of dude to call before. And because he knows the deal he could care less about the backlash
True i can not cap
Lol, I remember my older brothers treating me with contempt and almost revulsion because I didn't like to sag. They would say I dressed white.
They ridiculed me in front of their friends because I spoke well.
They said I spoke "white", they absolutely KNEW that their little brother wasn't black.
For years I went against anyone or anything that suggested a gatekeeper for blackness. I almost hated myself because I wasn't black enough, and I almost hated my own people for treating me as such.
Messed up isn't it?
Agreed
Had the same experiences, and what's funny is I loved funk and soul music and liked rap but because I didn't like gangster rap oh you white or you speak white or your just an oreo and the same people would say I'm too dark! smh
@@thewackness95
Yeah...it was damaging.
But they too were misguided. They hurt us, and its too late for them to take that back. We gotta carry it; resolve it within ourselves.
That understanding doesn't make it any easier tho...
It makes me sad to think I wasn't the only one who went through this
Messed up and too fucked up that it still happens. Being mixed, just being told straight up to your face that you aren't enough, or not good enough, or never be truly a apart of the ingroup. Yep messed up and soul crushing.
As someone who doesn't even know much about the history and culture surrounding music I listen to often, this breakdown of Kayne's contributions to hip hop is both incredibly informative and moving. It encouraged me to finally check out Kanye's music.
What a great video. I can totally see why so many people were trying to carefully and gently reason with Kanye when he went off the deep end a few years ago.
The interview where he denounces homophobia was a powerful moment.
Hard to quit Kanye. He’s a bold and authentic black man in a “stay in your lane” industry. He’s self aware and unapologetic.
This sentiment exactly.
facts.
He's the G.O.A.T
How's this statement ring these days?
@@redd_Jack Didn’t age too well lol
God I've been having such a hard time explaining to people that when I say "I miss the old Kanye" it's more than just a meme. This absolutely nails my feelings exactly. Thank you man!
chop up the soul kanye
@@blade7506 MBDTF is a classic. Im a sucker for the chopped up chipmunk soul samples tho.
I sent this to my mom, she loved it! I appreciate your intelligence and insights, I wish I would’ve watched sooner!
This is amazing, thank you so much for this.
Ok so I loved the video! I knew you would come with it!! I feel the same way about Lauryn Hill that y’all do about Kanye. I’m like “I know you’re still in there LAURYN!!! Tell us what to do to free you from your prison!!” 😭 😭 😭
I have this same type of video planned for her, andre 3000, Obama, Dave Chapelle, etc so stay tuned
@@FDSignifire haha!! I love it! I remember Charlemagne *insert eyeroll cuz Charlemagne 🤦🏽♀️* anyway…I remember Charlemagne saying “y’all still out here caping for Lauryn Hill off that one album”. I’m like YES!!!…Charlemagne…did you LISTEN to that album?? It’s literally golden. I’m from Newark, NJ #brickcity and I’m here to tell you it’s so hard to make Newark, New Jersey sound cool but she did it with “New Jerusalem”! She made a rap song with the hook “how you gonna win when you ain’t right within?”. She made positivity and self-respect COOL. The song ZION! The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill 🎵 Are you kidding?? We ride FOREVER!!
Ok but back to Kanye, I feel like it is worth it to mention that while there are supporters like you that are still holding out for Kanye’s reversal….he also attracts men that engage in misogynoir AND his ally-ship with Trump brought him new Trumpster followers and supporters as well. So not all his ride or die followers are trying to get him to turn back time. And also…it’s sometimes hard for me to believe that this all comes from a place of only mental health and pain of loss. A lot of times it feels like what we see happen to a lot of black celebs. They make it to the top and then start thinking like and aligning themselves with the mindsets of the oppressors.
Lastly, Lupe Fiasco 💜 hes my favorite rapper and he was also a part of the new age rap movement along with Kanye. He also fell into nonsense as well 🤦🏽♀️
@@FDSignifire yes. please.
@@FDSignifire Yes!!!
@@FDSignifire please!!!! Those will be sooo amazing!!!
Never understood why people liked Kanye, my main exposure to him has been the gag reel of his narcissistic public flops. Thank you for giving the context to help me understand why he is so important.
His music is really good if you want to give it a listen. Especially, the older albums.
Agreed
Yea he was so different in the 2000s. It’s like night and day and it’s sad bc I vividly remember saying I liked Kanye before all of this I thought he was really cool
The same reason people didn't like 2pac...
How media wants us to see someone isn't how we should see them.
great content here. its nuanced, informative, emotional. it should be one of the top videos that pop up when people search kanye
Thanks for the education 🖤 legit did not understand why people liked Kanye because I didn't understand the history or the black American perspective.
Good shit
Having been involved in the black metal scene for about 25 years, the kayfabe concept feels very applicable to this subculture as well. Spectacle fueling expectations fueling spectacle.
I'm a diehard sludge/doom/stoner metal kind of guy, could never get into black metal or death metal or anything like that, specifically because of this. Not that there's not artifice in plenty of the stuff i like, but it's nowhere to the absurd and extreme degree that "extreme metal" takes it.
Yeah.
Yeah
@Nate Higgers
Nope, the concept is perfectly applicable to the Norwegian scene as well.
This is like 'behind the music' with added depth and a person touch.
Just discovered you and Ive been listening to you for days. I was LOOKING for this video! Thanks.
I never had it in me to watch this one. But also as a Chicagoan, I definitely feel like you tapped into why there was a stretch where I would tell people that for some reason I just wanted to know that he was "okay". But even as someone who got into him deep late, this is still sad to watch. But imma watch both parts lol
Cis het white dude here. I often talk about missing old Kanye. South Side, The Food, all of Late Registration... He was so good and I want him to be mentally well
This was a masterpiece. I can't wait for part 2.
I appreciate your in-depth, accessible analyses of people and phenomena that I have been filtered away from experiencing or understanding.
This is such a well-researched, eloquent video. I really love the “story” parallels you’ve drawn between the early 2000s rap industry and the WWE. I don’t watch WWE but it was a great addition to your storytelling. I also have a hard time letting “old Kanye” go, because my uncle used to burn me some mix CDs including Kanye. Even at like, 11 years old I was listening to Through the Wire, Touch the Sky, All Falls Down, and Heard Em Say. There’s so much nostalgia tied to his music for me. Even listening to his recent releases, I couldn’t help but love his music because he has such a gift. I mention Kanye to my uncle sometimes, and he feels the same way. I know this video is a bit older but I just wanted to say I hope you keep up the great work!
When Beans told Charla "Play with something else don't play with me" I felt that, lol.
I'm looking for an excuse to say that to someone daily.
Me: Play with something safe, don't play with me!
My 6 year old:🙁
@@FDSignifire Legend
I don’t know how Charla didn’t shit himself right there
@@1Shawol416 because at that time, Beanie wasn’t going to do anything. There was nothing to be scared of anymore. It’s bark but the bite isn’t there
@@FDSignifire 🤣 I can't wait to use it