"because our condition is so bad, we think it gives us license to pile onto other groups" man, as a white gay man, this also describes us pretty perfectly. we have a long "proud" history of disrespecting and degrading women, black people, trans people, etc and pretending its okay because were gay - pretending that were not just putting other people down to make ourselves feel more powerful. really loved this video!
That's basically the incel rational too I think. They see themselves as "wronged by soceity" and use that victim mentality as an excuse to be dicks to everyone else... maYbE wE're alL nOt so diFFerent aftER aLl (Sarcasm signifier #2)
That can be used, though, as a way to prevent degrading or disregarding others. Maybe it's not wanting power. There are multiple groups against which I'd defend our side of the balance sheet of Who's Worse to Whom, but I don't want to see anyone mistreated in ways I've been.
@@melsmithmel Damn I have never heard 'lateral hostility' but if that doesn't describe a lot of shit I've seen I don't know what does. It's so fucked up, as oppressed groups are struggle are intersectional, not competitive. Gay men hating on other queer people, women and nonwhite cultures and groups are toxifying their own spaces and inviting the same oppressive forces into their ranks. The callout in this video is needed.
this centering of LGBT identities as a “white” thing is also so common in latine communities…the erasure of our own queer communities from within and “other”ing them harder
Yep. Back on the border where I was from the LGBTQ community has been thriving for decades (they even made a documentary about it called Pansy Pachanga) they love to claim we’ve been corrupted by white folks despite our ancestors literally having a god of gay lovers (the flower prince god or something close to that).
have to agree with this a lot. heard many older conservative latines claiming that the "concept of the LGBT community" has been brought from abroad (gringos) to corrupt the country as if queer people have not existed in the past i mean heck ive seen queer people in paintings and in erotic ceramics
@@los5517 Latine is the gender-neutral form of latino/latina. It's what spanish speakers say instead of "latinx" because latine sounds way more natural and there already exists precedent for a neutral e.
the right wing perception of freedom is protection from consequences. So that phrase is literal nonsense to them. To them you are saying "freedom is not freedom". The destruction of meaning is one of the main mechanisms used to isolate them from people "outside" their communities.
@@notaninquisitor7274 This person is saying the the modern right is wrong. sometimes on the internet you will hear people saying things you don't like. This is okay. You aren't a snowflake, you can grow and accept that some people don't agree with you. You can say "I don't think you are in charge of what english words mean so it's a bit silly to state this as fact" but saying anything like "you're oppressing me" sounds kinda snowflaky does it not? unless youre a devils advocate lefty or moderate in which case im not talking to you.
Carlin is to this day the first comedian who comes to my mind as an example of how it's possible to be edgy and offensive WITHOUT being a bigot. He was an absolute treasure
What's happening to comedy really sucks. On one side we have bigots using the "it's just edgy comedy" excuse to push hate, on the other we have people ready to crack down on anything that could be interpreted as offensive, largely because of the bigots abusing the leeway comedy allowed for. We also have people like Hannah fkn Gadsby, who is less funny than cancer (men over 40 please get your prostates checked ❤️) In the middle of all of this are people who want comedy to be provocative, as it should be, but don't want it to be a platform for hate. It's a really hard situation.
A real treasure. But he's so anti-theist, it's hard to watch in my latter years. It's a full frontal attack on one's beliefs, much like he's talking about here.
This reminds me of a quote from the creator of the Boondocks. "We knew we were going to offend people, but we wanted to make sure we were offending them for the right reasons." That always stuck with me. So I've always asked myself "WHO is this offending?" If it's pissing off people in power or people who are bigots or have regressive views, then to my mind, it's offending the right people. Why the thing is offending someone is important too. Like, why is it so important for them to offend these particular people? Are you doing it to reinforce the mockery of a marginalized group? Are you trying to call out a certain prejudice/bias that people have? So yeah. I think offensive humor has a place, but one should always be asking "Who is this offending and why?"
I'm late to this, but holy shit you're right! I have certain family members that are very stuck on making race jokes (we're white). They just keep saying that you should be able to joke about anything and that's how you solve racism.
@@mrcojocaru, and that's the thing. These "fundamental truth tellers" really think they're doing a societal good and forcing us to face our demons. But this just creates a "safe space" for that type of behavior, so why would it go away at that point?
That's why I pretty much always stick to "punch up, not down". I think its such low tier "comedy" to tell jokes that aim to offend groups of people who are *actually* oppressed. Like gee, you're so clever pissing off black people or trans people who are understandably going to be hypersensitive about racist or transphobic jokes. Boondocks is a great example of a show that really pulls off offensive humor, even if they may "punch down" at times because when they do that, its satire aimed at the people in power who are keeping those people down.
When Dave asked the audience 'Can a gay person be racist?' even I said with a resounding Yes. But then I don't know why but I was expecting him to ask 'Can a black person be homophobic (or transphobic for that matter)?' and that never came - I realise a few minutes later that would ruin his jokes later on
@@Malachite7 Their numbers-“minority of a minority”-are of no concern to me. The point is that in-group tribalism, out-group denigration/exclusion is a universal; these qualities alone disqualifies anyone from being viewed as marginalized, vulnerable, hence worthy of special protection-that is not to say they’re not deserving of ANY protection, just no more than anyone else.
@@pendejo6466 But some communities do need more protection than others - regardless of how their numbers compare to other communities - there are still other factors that make it necessary. Although being a minority can contribute to the beginnings of why some groups need protection, socially, legislatively or otherwise
@@pendejo6466 so…. One person kills an Asian and gets 20 years, another person kills a trans and gets 20 years, same same. Great I guess… I don’t think that’s the point tho. I better example might be 1 in 1000 trans person are murdered VS 1 in 100 Asians get murdered. It doesn’t matter if the killers each get 20 years, that doesn’t help the community that’s being attacked, I’d argue that it doesn’t help ANYONE (we need rehabilitation more than punishment IMO). So in this example I would guess the Asian community would in fact need more protection, right?
The wildest quote from Chapelle for me was him talking about if as many trans people as Black people were getting gunned down by cops there'd be more of an uproar. Like...Dave! Trans folks, *especially* Black and brown trans folks, get targeted by police brutality (including things like SA as well as murder) *all the damn time!* Truly has no idea what he's talking about.
Same here. I didn’t watch the special because I’ve always been weirded out by his energy, so never really saw that much of his work, anyway, but that statement is wild. At this point he’s coming off like the male version of JK Rowling. The parallels in their discussions of trans people are as mystifying as they are false.
@@OffbeatsMusic You really can't judge it if you haven't watched the whole show... And that's a huge problem these days. Big opinions about things people know nothing about except from bits and pieces of info comming from others with biases and agendas without any context. This will rip everything apart. Even this whole video in nonsense and lies and therefore has no value except creating hate and or misery. If don't really know Chapelle it's obvious, he is nothing like portrayed here
A few addendum 1- Yes I am aware that 2 Y chromosomes is pretty rare. My bad it's hard catching all my mistakes lol. 2- I'll be revisiting my stance on Kevin Hart in the future. Thank you to those who pointed out the further depths of that issue. 3- Please check out the link for signing up for Nebula and Curiosity Stream in the description. 4. Stop asking me if I watched the whole special. That let's me know YOU didn't watch the whole video🤣
Intersex people are just as common as red haired people (1-2 percent of the population). It can be chromosomal (an extra x or y chromosome) or it can be how the genitals developed in the womb (because the first x chromosome determines development before the second chromosome takes over).
@Kit Duguay it entirely depends on what you are examining. The 2 in 100 data does come from an aggregate of various conditions that can alter primary or secondary sex characteristics, so that is everything from chromosomal annomolies , hormone sensitivity, chimerism, based on Anne Fausto-Sterling's research in the 80s and 90s. It is very much a type of valid measure when looking at how the public and science looks at sex, and how thing can vary from different models people use. The 1 in 1000 can be more accurate when looking at specific things, such as at birthing centers or hospitals, where one can expect about 1/1000 chance any given baby may give a physician or nurse pause when assigning sex at birth based in gonads, but is also about the rate of some of the more common chromosomal conditions like trisomal X or klifenger (xxy). So again, it depends on what you are looking at and how you define intersex.
@@knate44 let's make sure that the data and numbers don't mask the fact that we're discussing real people who get dumped on and dehumanized by society at large. And even though I am sharing statistical information as well, these are people who just want it recognized that they're having a human experience, too. I don't care if it's a million Americans or if it's just a single individual, they are real and they are here.
@@naterbaternaterbater not to mention in a world of 7 billion people 1-2% is still a lot of people. Like iirc theyre also on par with how many people have green eyes.
I was so embarrassed on Chappelle’s behalf when I realized that the climax of his set was going to be a lesson about how the best, most sympathetic kind of trans person is someone who idolizes him, loves all his jokes, and never teaches him anything he doesn’t already know
I didn't even consider that aspect until now, and you're so right. The fact that the only trans woman Dave brings up as one who deserves our empathy, the one who doesn't deserve to be humiliated...is the one who said Dave is right & confirmed Dave doesn't have anything to learn or change....makes everything look worse, unfortunately. The trans woman who everyone should listen to and whose statements should *actually* be taken seriously? Oh, the one who supported Dave. It doesn't help that it happens to be the one trans woman who can no longer say anything that Dave doesn't like. She doesn't have a chance to criticize him, how he's talking about her - and how he's talking about all trans people. :/ Her support of Dave is now unconditional and infinite. It can never be clarified, revised, or retracted. He doesn't even have to worry about the possibility of her no longer staying silent. :( She'll be quiet about Dave's behavior and will never object...ever. It's tragic. I hope Dave makes a public statement that actually explains why Daphne killed herself, apologizes, then never brings her up again, honestly. There's just no way he can do it without it making him look bad, because regardless of his best intentions, she can't speak for herself and it's unfair. /End rant :( Thank you for your comment.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 He should go on a trans-hosted podcast or talk show to argue his points so we can understand his ideology better. Communication is the best way to understand one another.
He did that with the story of insulting a Chinese women and the chill Mexican guy. It was uncomfortable how this adult never thought about the dynamics of his celebrity opposed to fuck these lady insulted at my asking where they are from. I get less insulted when a black man asks me that but as a Colombian fuck you stop asking where I’m from I’m displaced and stolen and living with strangers but you want to know where this “spicy” brown girl is from. It’s weird cuz it’s not insulting when asked genuinely especially from another immigrant but Dave was just saying man cool for not being offended see Mexican men aren’t as playing the victim as Chinese women LIKE ASAIN VIOLENCE ISNT RISING AS HE SAYS THE JOKE! He can understand his personal grievances nothing I guess outside of it. We are just sensitive liberals despite being down for armed Latin resistance but I guess Dave is that correct about the political spectrum and society cuz fuck feelings. Ahhh that made no sense and was just a rambling rage sorry for anyone reading tbh lol
She kind of did, though. Not much, but that center line, when he says he doesn't know what she's talking about, and she says "I don't need you to understand me. I just need you to understand I'm having a human experience." Again, not much, but it was something.
@@dayotobiusa I remember that moment. It could have been very powerful, but if memory serves he immediately followed it up with his response to her, a capstone that had him come across as the reasonable one with nothing to learn.
The reason this broke my heart is that dave mentioned his respect for the 'old school gays' specifically the stonewall people. Those where Black trans women. For someone who says they idolize this form of gay activism, not having the insight and empathy for us to not openly call himself a terf is just sad.
@@kampoutkid the term did not exist when the stonewall riots were happening, and some of them did later refer to themselves as trans women, eg Sylvia Rivera changing STAR from transvestite to transgender.
It wasn't black trans women that started Stonewall. Nobody knows who threw the first brick, even the people that were there. And he should respect the old school gays because all they wanted was to be treated as equals and not entitled brats like today's LGBT wish to be treated.
I’m a trans girl. Chapelle’s jokes don’t offend me that much personally, and that’s the point. It’s not about individuals being offended, it’s about the effect caused by a man with a large audience spreading rhetoric to uninformed people that directly impacts the LGBTQ community.
Coming from another trans woman, let's be real here. It's when he defended JKR and called himself "Team TERF" is really when he went off the deep end. The stupid joke about the LGBTQ+ community being in a van and that dumbass metaphor wasn't that bad. It was the doubling down followup that put him in the shit end.
@@people2chronically-onlinehe's getting criticised for something he deserves to be criticised for. That's part of free speech too y'know, consequences still apply.
@@celeritas2-810 Yeah I hope he looks back on this one day and regrets it like any decent human would... He really fucked up and let us all down. The assholes of the world are loving him right now though. Even though these same pos wanted him dead for defending george floyd. Yikes...
@Marcos Darbyshire Cash’s “God’s Gonna Cut You Down” has a line “you can throw your rock, and hide your hand, working in the dark against your fellow man” It makes sense that it’s an idiom. I have always liked that line.
As a black pre-HRT trans girl, I really appreciate this comment about us "having no representation". And I'm really tired of people acting like we "dont think we're black" all the sudden.
This is a wild downplay of just how genuinely harmful the mob mentality of cancel culture is. Even if you don't like who uses the point to their advantage, it doesn't make it less valid. The internet has made reactionary mob actions normalized and allowed for its own way of mistreating people by moving opinion too fast to make good decisions. People will bandwagon on tearing others down over the smallest disagreements and feel like it's okay because there aren't consequences for them, or the need to see the results of their actions.
Sorry this took so long for me to watch, as I’ve been trying to take a mental health break from this issue, but this was a truly excellent video, you did a fantastic analysis, and done with such care and I loved your perspective. And thank you as well for the shoutout to my videos, it means a lot, especially coming from someone so wonderful. Sending you love and again, thank you for your time and work making this ❤️
This is exactly why I only got to this video today, too! I loved your take on it, but I wanted to take a break from the issue for a day or two as well! I was interested to see his take as soon as I saw he uploaded this video, but I knew I wanted to take a breather to give myself room to process it with consideration and respect.
Thanks Jessie - I thought I was done with the issue as well but then saw your second video, the panel and now this great one. I think that it's obviously what is called for in the situation, that all the content producers were responding to a critical need or gap in the story-especially in different forms - including put out in video and accessible, these are such incredible productions, representations and resources. So, just, Thank you! and take care
Not what I expected at all. I came here ready to defend Dave, as an artist and black man but your logic and empathy has really changed my opinion. You really went deep and helped me explore my own implicit bias so thank you for this breakdown and pathway to understanding.
This kind of thing gives me hope. Being trans (who’s also poc) feels like you can’t trust Anyone outside your community not to shit on you with no shame whatsoever. I’m trying to claw my way out of a cynical, defensive hole where I came to fear even being looked at for a second. Videos and comments like this help.
as a trans person who has lost so many friends and family over "youre crazy you cant be a girl" this comment made me cry and gave me faith in humanity i donno who you are but goddamn it thank you.
Watched it on Patreon first but mi love how FD answers these profound & confonding questions with input from the Black community at large with throwing people like Anansi, Kat & even myself in there. If it wasn't obvious what FD is doing, given how he magnanimously platforms smaller Black creators, then its apparent now. Man is making a Black community on a platform that has marginalized us from Dawson days. Big up ya self bredda ✊🏿
Yeah I genuinely appreciate how many people he uplifts and talks to in order to get more well rounded insight, it's not done enough in the commentary/video essayist community. Also for anyone wondering, the video FD referred to is fantastic, highly recommend 😁💛
36:22 the part about making funny jokes about trans people is so true. You can make funny trans jokes you just have to know more about being trans than cis people do. I heard a joke recently about a trans woman saying on her 35th birthday that she “reached her expiration date” - a reference to a study thar trans women in some areas have a life expectancy of 35. That is DARK - but it’s FUNNY if you’re in on what that 35 means and you share that little bit of shared trauma that trans women experience. There’s that joke like “if you date a trans girl, you never have to meet her parents” - again that’s a dark joke about how many trans women get kicked out of the house by their parents. If you don’t know shit about trans people you probably won’t get these types of jokes, and you can’t make them funny.
by that logic noone should make jokes about anyone outside of their community because none of us know the nuances of each others communities... I wish lgbt and zionist would take a page out of the black americans book and stop being so sensitive everytime someone speaks on them.
@@TimesUhave2BA_radicalintellect its not about being aoart of a group, its about understanding that group, laughing with them not at them. did you even watch this video?
@@TimesUhave2BA_radicalintellect Bruh. Do you have any type of reading comprehension skills at all? That is not what the comment was implying. “Radical intellect” 😂😂😂
as a trans person myself, i totally agree! i've seen cis people make actually funny trans jokes before, it's just really difficult and uncommon for them. as with any marginalized comedians, trans people making trans jokes are almost always the funniest and most appropriate people to make them. i've seen well-intentioned cis comedians make trans jokes that didn't quite hit. cis comedians making trans jokes are more likely to make jokes at the expense of trans people, whether they mean to or not. there are few cis comedians who make trans jokes funny and manage to avoid making us the butt of the joke, and i think those comedians deserve praise.
@@ayomidetejuoso3455 exactly why we have to go even harder with the engagement to keep the algorithm from suppressing it, CIA run RUclips loved CIA psyop Qanon bullshit but it hates the fucking truth
@@xp7575 This is bs. The Illuminati and the church of satan walked so that q and the cia could run, now we’re not even going talk about all they have done for us? 😹😼
"I know the difference between people laughing with me and the people laughing at me." Is the saddest part in all this, all the trans community are asking is that Dave stops encouraging people to laugh at them.
@@CptnBillHarris you said all the trans community asks is for Dave to stop encouraging laughing at them but its okay to laugh at other groups of people. Comedy is comedy nothing is off limits hence memes about celebrity deaths and overdose etc..
As a black man, I’ve long observed that many black folk punch down on gays and lesbians, and now trans, because honestly deep down they’re the only groups many blacks feel they’re better than. I couldn’t imagine reaching the heights of success Dave has, and being obsessed about trans people.
His interactions with trans people are very skewed. If he had some real trans friends or was close to a trans person he'd understand a bit but then he'd probably tell some jokes that are received well by the community and touch upon common ground.
No . . . That doesn't make sense. . . Being gay was against the law once a time . . When blacks had to sit on the back of the bus and were getting hung at gay white folks ancesters picnics, just because they existed. . White people made those laws. Black people were trying to survive and tried to stay away from anything that would put a target on their backs including having a heavy white influenced Christian lens that included being fearful to come out as gay and get cursed and banish from all you knew. . the church. . . Black folks didn't want to live a sad horrible traumatized servatude life and miss out on their only opportunity to get a mansion. Forgive the black community. It wasn't about feeling like they were better. . It was FEAR that has been seared in the minds, taught, and passed down. Blacks people are a true loving and too often too forgiving community that's been raped, beat down, stolen from, lied to, experimented on, poisoned and gaslightd on, often than not selfhatn N hurt community that has lost its true identity. Not an excuse just fact.
They love punching down on black women too. Just listen to how David Chappelle talks about black women, they're always sluts or prostitutes in his stories, they're often getting abused, and there's never any sympathy expressed for their plight.
here's a funny trans happening. a friend of mine is going transmasc (for those not up to the lingo, born female, transitioning to male) his dad is amazing and supportive, but bad with words and terminology, it's 2 weeks since he came out, It's me, the non binary friend, also the only queer graymuzz in the community, his parents and himself going for fresh clothes , getting some feels for what this new dude might enjoy, big man wants to surprise his son with binders, a brace that helps give your chest a nice flat look, excelent for getting used to new clothes and feel. only problem... None of us could remember what they were called, so there's these three idiots , (me included, hi , very idiotic) coming up with the explanation of a binder to the store clerk with dynamic explanations and interesting new names, among them, "the titty squeezer" "the mulan bandage" and "the boob flatener", My firend could have stopped us at any time,,, but he was wheezing and drying of laughter. and that seemed to impede the oratory. XD
@@gracen-writes-code That's more of a furry term to be fair XD. but just in case, Old crochety furries from the before-times. Extremely old. Like 30 or something... -is 29-
Got into some comment section ‘war of words’ when I expressed my dislike of Dave’s last special. You can imagine, my comments didn’t go down very well. Within a few responses, I had grown men calling me a man and telling others not to listen to ‘him’. I wasn’t sure if I should feel complimented or offended. (Of course, it was meant as an insult.) It had never occurred to me, as a female presenting cis-het woman, that I might be mistaken for trans. Yet there I was being double misgendered, by a black man, no less. It suddenly dawned on me that transphobia is not just a danger to trans women, but to all women, and to all people. What would have happened if that nasty exchange had happened IRL? What if I had been more butch or androgynous? Would I have been forced to somehow prove myself? Pull down my pants perhaps? For about 5 seconds, and at a safe distance, I actually felt the fear of transphobia being directed AT me. The thought of having to live with that on the regular was chilling. We have to do better by trans people, even if only for our own selfish ends.
The bans on trans athletes playing sports are starting to effect cis women athletes as well, who are now being accused by rival teams of being trans simply for having “masculine” features, and they are having to prove they are cisgender before they can continue playing. Transphobia and harmful gender stereotypes do indeed effect all of us, trans people just get the majority of the impact.
Not that it's necessarily the best reason, but it's perfectly fair to justify empathy with selfish ends. We're a social animal. That's fundamentally the evolutionary explanation for empathy. But we are more than that, and we depend on others. Treat them the way THEY want to be treated. and hopefully they'll treat you the way you want to be treated.
@@gee_emm That misogyny is also deeply encapsulated in the white femme fragile version of femininity that powerful white men have abused white women with for centuries and is also inherently racist and classist (poor women of all races were always expected to work and have mechanical know how) because that's it's starting point. It's some good stuff when you start to peel back the layers...
Honestly the most thought-provoking and illuminating rhetorical question asked in all of this was regarding 2021 as a subject. The storming of the Capitol, the antimaskers, Afghanistan, so many things have happened this year, so why does Dave feel compelled to go out of the way to dedicate most of his routine to this topic?
YES....when he went on his self imposed hiatus in 2005...we longed for his social commentary on many of the strange inequitable things that were happening all over society....especially now....yet he keeps choosing to fixate on trans people. It's weird, creepy and I feel is concealing something deeper.
You can really see where is head is at.... And it's not with the younger generation that's for sure. I know see his defense of Trump as a bit of a red flag.
This!! And If he really means it when he says he hates white people, 2020 provided more material than ever. The protests to open stores, the anti maskers, the anti vaxxers, the joe Biden lovers, the trump lovers who want to kill Joe Biden, of all the things that white people have gathered to do in the past year, how did he land on Trans people?? Its such a wierd reach, so removed from reality. And it honestly just displays how out of touch this wealthy man is. He hates white people, but he'll still do a set about Trans people. Strange
Coming from a cis white dude and a person who has admittedly said things like “yup this makes Dave the GOAT”, this video was truly informative on a perspective that is so heavily trifled and unheard. You and your collaborators made me better understand the arguments that I was previously and unwarranted you closed off to. Thanks
I feel ya, I was in the same position a year ago. I only discovered FD recently but from everything I've seen he has a really great way of reaching people and speaking truth without speaking down to people. Tons of empathy. He's the real GOAT here. I don't know if this applies to you but one big thing I've learned detoxifying myself from bigotry/prejudice is that a lot of it was rooted in spite. Seeing the way that a lot of very vocal, VERY online lefties act around controversies (including this one) and often make controversies out of little to nothing makes it hard to side with the left. At some point I became jaded and completely stopped taking the broader left and every social issue they stood for seriously. Hearing good lefties approach these issues in a way that isn't infuriatingly petty or self-righteous helps so much, at least it did for me. Basically if this applies to you don't take the lunatics you see on twitter seriously, always look a little further into it and be open to having your mind changed. There are tons of great lefties who want to help people learn. What you did here is something that many can't. You sat through an hour long video that disputes what you believed and reflected on it. It's so simple but more often than not our pride gets in the way. Anyway thanks for coming to my Ted Talk, glad you chose to grow.
@Jub Jub Thanks for sharing that, made me reflect on some stuff. I do think I didn't phrase what I was trying to say properly though. When I talk about toxic elements of the left I'm not talking about dunking on bigots or memeing on caucazoids. Nobody has the obligation to be nice to anyone, especially if those people loathe your existence. What I'm talking about is the many (typically white) online lefties and libs who act legitimately hysterical and/or abuse legitimate issues and identity politics to push really toxic worldviews. The "if you don't share this black square you're a white supremacist" types, the people trying to cancel ContraPoints for the billionth time despite her sharing 99% of their values, the purity testing, the smug self-satisfaction, the circular firing squad, the fact that a sizable amount of the online left tolerates and even occasionally supports straight up bigotry when directed at white people/men. You know what I mean, those who conflate whiteness and white supremacy with white people as a monolith and patriarchy/toxic masculinity with men as a monolith. Luckily most of "those" radfems left to become TERFs so they don't have even close to the same effect on our optics but anti-white stuff? Far from uncommon or taboo. It's understandable that a group with a long history of some of the most brutal oppression would be angry at those who continuously screwed them over and I'll be the first to meme on my caucazoidal nature, I don't care about jokes, the problem is that for a lot of people of color and their white allies it goes far beyond joking. I've heard a lot of rhetoric from these kinds of people that are straight fashy, just with a few words flipped around. Black separatism, advocating segregation (for example with dorms,) POC railing on race mixing because they conflate protecting their culture and history with protecting their racial purity, the idea that POC opinions have inherent value while non-marginalized people should stay out of the conversation, the "power + privilege" thing being used to downplay and outright deny bigotry against hwites because "you can't be *racist* against white people" (aka semantics.) All of these examples have one major thing in common: they reflect very real issues facing POC but have been taken so far that their perfectly fair points turn into something hateful or otherwise toxic. Black culture and history have always been crushed and diluted, the fear and desire to protect it is totally justified. It also should've never had to be a race thing since race as we know it was made up, serves only to divide us and keep white people on top. We need to be moving forward on race, not backwards. We need actual integration so that POC stop seeing themselves/being seen as outsiders. Mayo people tend to lack the personal experience to comment on a lot of race issues but then again I've met and seen a lot of non-white people say dumber things about race issues than many whites. Marginalized voices are important but only if their voices are used to spread the right messages. So often I see marginalized people (especially black women and trans people) making awful, even bigoted statements and people of all races/creeds/genders jump to their defense. Even if a white person makes a fair, good faith criticism of something absolutely heinous "umm sry sweaty ur yte & racist & nobody asked for ur opinion." It essentially insulated a lot of online marginalized folks from criticisms that anyone else would get metric tons of. That validates bad ideas and leads to stuff like Black Hammer lol. Basically all of this is to say that my issue doesn't lie with a lack of civility, you don't owe anyone anything. You have every right to be angry and hurt, if you don't want to be patient with bigots or ignorant people please be my guest. Unfortunately just like on the right (but not as bad) a lot of people hide their hatred behind the shield of humor and/ot the armor of anti-racism & identity. As a result of that and what I believe is the left having way too much charitability for marginaized peoole we end up with the normalization of harmful ideas and toxic behaviors that push people away. My dream and I assume the dream of many leftists is that one day once we've ended systemic racism for good race as we know it will start to fade away until eventually we all just see each other as human beings. The people holding different standards for different races and letting stuff like "black" superiority rhetoric, segregation and keeping leftie caucazoids quiet slide all we'll ever do is keep the dream of a post-race world a dream. We need unity, which is impossible with some of the types of people who are speaking for us causing division and pushing people away.
@Jub Jub Also sorry for the novel, I just wanted to clarify that from what I understand we're on the same page and explain exactly where I was coming from. This one is more directed towards your comment. I don't expect anyone to be accommodating if it hurts or wears them out to do it. I also have a penchant for righteous indignation, I don't personally engage in it because conflict makes me anxious but it's a lot fun hearing Vaush, Dylan Burns, or whoever tear bigots apart. Would love to see more POC banish their haters to the shadow realm but then again I imagine it must be frustrating and painful debating people on whether your melanin level makes you subhuman. I don't care if the online left is mad, they have every right to be and I kinda like it. My problem is when "mad" turns to "hysterical," then swiftly to "delusional." It hurts our cause optically and structurally while it normalizes some pretty counterintuitive, divisive and often downright hateful behaviors and rhetoric that does nothing but hurt us. Anyway thanks for the comment, you did make me think and it's cool thay we can be open without picking a fight, the internet is pretty rough, I appreciate ya. I'm sorry that what I said hurt you, we probably don't agree with everything but you're a comrade and I don't want to make you feel any kind of way. I hope my explanation helped clarify things at least a bit for ya. Peace!
@@TayTayMakesBeats As someone who is a hardcore leftist, I totally agree that a lot of the left is incredibly annoying, but if you actually care about the issues of the left, none of that should change your core values. So yes, I get it, but I think people who get pushed away from their beliefs by some dumb people online probably didn't believe those things very strongly anyway. That being said, very glad you were able to get past that stuff!
I used to be one of Dave Chapelles biggest fans until he started punching down and ignoring the real problems we all face. Dave is just another rich person who only sees green.
i’m trans, and i hope you know this advocacy means so much to me, to us. seeing cis people provide smart, informed, and kind perspectives is a wonderful rarity. appreciate it so much man. and great video!
@@wclark3196 what? i’m not saying cis people are all closed minded, not at all! it’s just that i rarely see perspectives like this. people certainly try very hard and i’m lucky to have a lot of supportive people in my life , but especially online i rarely see this kind of stuff from cis people. not that it doesn’t happen, just that i appreciate it a lot when it happens :)
I really appreciate your comments about 'cancelling' vs consequences. The reactionary pearl-clutching that accompanies 'cancelling' never takes into account that people with money, power and influence rarely actually suffer genuine consequences.
@@pendejo6466 then you missed the point. Why do you feel that wealthy people with a massive platform should be immune from criticism? Dave Chappelle has the right to say what he wants in his show. What he does not have is the right to not be criticised when he says harmful things. Sorry that you think of that as 'policing'.
@@goblin3359 Criticism deserves criticism, no? In addition, it's not his wealth or fame that's under outsized scrutiny, it's his ideas; to connect the former with the latter is dishonest and only serves to muddle the conversation. Talking about missing the point. Trans people are not central to his act, historically or in a specific show. The claim Dave is making--while everyone is martyring themselves in self-pity and glorifying themselves in victimhood narratives--is that in the era of BLM, the lives of black men is cheap. All this under the glaring and silent hypocrisy of the trans movement.
"You ≠ Dave Chappelle" "You ≠ celebrity whose work you like" is such a common mistake that nearly all of us make. Even in 2021 I find myself instinctively trying to defend Frank Miller because I loved his old stuff as a kid, and some truly great stuff was created because of that stuff.
@@Limptastical I have seen nothing about that, so I'm skeptical. But I would (for the sake of my teenage self) love for it to be true that he's acknowledged his bad takes. That would have to have been in the last... 11 years, 'cause "Holy Terror" was some pretty egregiously racist, islamophobic trash and that was 2011. Again, I would love to find out this is true!
Alan Moore wrote Watchmen and The Killing Joke but he also wrote Lost Girls which is one of the most baffling things I've ever read and if you have not read it, you should read a synopsis before you do. You'll never catch me defending it.
Exactly what I fell Into. There’s an obvious bias towards celebrities that you and I may look up too. An instinctive para social defense to people who’s content you enjoy.
Seeing a cis guy acknowledge that not all trans people receive gender affirming surgery or even GAC in general just made my day. there are TRANS PEOPLE who dont get this. Some allies are cool with just supporting trans people and not learning more about it but when I see a cis person actually have knowledge about it? Incredible.
Can one be an ally and not be ok with the term “cis”? I said I don’t like the term and I was called homophobic. I don’t get that. My coworker is a zesty queen and I use her preferred pronouns and name but I’m a homophobe because I don’t want to be called cis, cis-man, cis-guy?
@@kapulono i mean it’s an important term for distinguishing between who’s trans and who’s not, as that’s literally what cis means. You wouldn’t get called cis in a context outside that.
Brotha brotha BROTHA. As a black gay man, I appreciate your detailed breakdown.. I’ll be sharing this video with all the heterosexual people around me 🙏🏾
@Michael "Abdullah" Smith Idk what’s happening or what the proposition is, but I do want add some things that should be pinned in the discussion leftism, LGBTQ and religion. People grow up in religion born not only with orientation that counters the standards of their religion, but with varying experiences. Some were traumatized by such standards and have actively left their religion. Others similar struggle but somehow actually want to fulfill the mission of their religion. And most, want to leave but can’t due to the large amount of repercussions of doing so. Western leftists shouldn’t be forcing Muslims or anyone from a religious background to accept LGBTQ publicly because as I just mentioned, it is basically forcing them to face those unruly consequences. If we are there and are easily able to provide a drawback or backup from the extortion of religion then sure. What we can do is encourage people to mindful and keep whatever stereotypical traditions of their religion to themselves. Of course they’re are going to need to combat their own religious beliefs that are counterproductive to morality. Although it is our duty to educate, it is their duty to accept it and improve from it. But we should also be mindful about the environment marginalized people are in and ensure that we can offer the best experiences for them.
I will say though, "crossing the line twice" jokes have a lifespan. Time moves on and culture changes; That line moves and sometimes you can send up crossing back over that line. It's humour that ages like milk. It's also functionally identical to be "Schrodinger's joke", and there's nothing a nazi-lite loves more than using black celebrities to hide behind
I feel like stand-ups are becoming aware of that, but they are using it more to defend themselves from criticism. The conversation with stand-up comedy has shifted from "Is the comedian funny?" to "Is the audience offended?" So it's removing any agency and ultimately any blame from the comedian having to be a better comedian. Especially when you can just assume that people who don't laugh at you, are just offended or virtue signaling or apart of some culture war. Makes me think, similar to Andrew Dice Clay, if "hacky" comedians from the 00s like Dane Cook, Carlos Mencia, or Jeff Dunham would be shielded by similar zealous fans if they were to use their identity as "truth tellers" to defend their comedy.
@@MayorOfEarth79 offensive comedy is like a spice or a genre of music. Some people are allergic, some people tolerate it and some people love it. It dosnt kill everyone and only mature people can handle a premise that represents them because they are confident of who they are. Comedy is also told by stage clowns those are people that should not be taken serious because there whole existence isn’t a normal human pathway. People who hate comedians most likely hold celebrities higher than needed. Actions are more important words.
Those jokes are part of the classic comedic structures (and by classic I mean all the way back to the Greeks) and will endure *as long as they're done well*. That's the caveat which, sadly, has very much lacking in comedy also since forever. The joke has to be constructed in a way that can't be misunderstood without having to explain it (which kills it) and that's still funny; it's a skill and it's a difficult one. When culture changes, lazy, mediocre and stupid comedy is exposed. This is what's really has all these comedians so pressed, some don't have what it takes and, more established ones, are used to cruising by their name and fame only, they're now either too lazy or too entitled to go back to the actual craft. The public isn't stupid, and lately it would seem that that's what high-profile comedians are having a problem with. In the end comedy as a genre is guaranteed to endure, comedians however are not extended the same assurance. Chappelle's special forgot the funny. If you wanna be "edgy" you just can't be mediocre.
There's nothing "nazi-lite" about people defending comedy or freedom of speech. If you just didn't think Dave's last special was funny that's fine, but his previous two were definitely funny and included making light or making fun of lgbt persons. Comedy and freedom of speech are more important than your feelings at any point in time. You aren't untouchable, be humble and down-to-earth instead of sheltered and shielded from reality. You need to stop using buzzwords like Nazi because you're sounding like the morons from the time of the salem witch trails. Respect is also earned, you or anyone don't deserve it for free from anyone just because you're lgbt.
"Dave Chapelle has a deceased trans friend and her family says he is an ally." If he was an ally, then he would have make jokes that punched up, not give into terf circles.
Also also she wasn't his friend, she was his subordinate coworker. Daphne Dorman's friends are on record debunking both her fame-grubbing blood relatives' statements and the corpse abusing lies of Chapelle.
Man, the bit about Dave Chapelle fully recognizing that jokes can have a big impact and can be very damaging because that's why he walked away from the Chapelle Show is just so on point. This might be your best video yet.
Yeah, the reason why it's funny is because it was complete joke. The closer was feeling empathy. He also said he always goes at white people. Those white people laughing and him realizing they are laughing at him not with him could be lgbt too.
@@turtlecoal If The Closer was about empathy, then I don't feel like his audience was actually taking that to heart. I've just seen them use Dave's comedy/commentary as a way to bash and insult trans people.
@@MayorOfEarth79 when you’re dealing with people who don’t wanna see your side it doesn’t matter what you say or how you say it it won’t get through & they won’t hear you until you bend the knee & say “you’re right” even when they’re not so you can stand your ground & know what you’re saying & doing along with the intent is right & be hated for it or you can kiss ass & be “loved”
Exactly why I f*ck with this dude. He always approaches these subjects from the perspective of kindness and inclusion. I don't always agree with him, but he's earned my ear during stuff like this because I appreciate the perspective.
Thank you seriously for hearing out perspectives that you don't agree with; as a philosophy major this was like something i had to learn to appreciate and uiltilize to help me have a more fuller and expansive worldview
@@1127films philosophy is so interesting I’m doing an ethics class rn studying Kant and mills and allat I just worry how practical it is in the working world. What do you plan to use your Phil major towards if you don’t mind me asking
Funnily enough, the thing that really made me understand how the trans community felt, was my disappointment with Bill Burr. Bill is probably one of the funniest comedians ever, in my opinion, but I immediately cringe whenever he does a fat joke. I’m fat and have absolutely no issues with a good fat joke. But Bill will go on and on, while saying the same old shit. No attempt at all is being made to come up with anything new to say. And I’m not putting fatness on the same level transness, by any means, just that it gave me perspective.
"we sound so much like other people when the shoe is on the other foot" - man that hypocrisy is so heartbreakingly common, it really hurts to see that, when what you wish you'd see is solidarity.
Thanks for this. I was against his false victimhood because he was confusing any adversity as cancelation. I was aggravated as a black man who grew up with the harsh stereotypical childhood that he didn't have and bristled when I heard this millionaire pretend that his existence was being threatened by what any non-famous, constantly touring, jobber comedian would call a tough room or a set that didn't work. New comedians would just say "that doesn't work, I'll change my set" but he said "no, they need to change and like my set". I had never even gotten to the part where he left black trans people in the lurch. That was my blind spot as a cis het black man. Thank you for helping to shine a light there.
"when I heard this millionaire pretend that his existence was being threatened by what any non-famous, constantly touring, jobber comedian would call a tough room or a set that didn't work." Seriously. Many famous people including famous comedians lose their humility with time. Or they never had to build it in the first place. This issue is beyond all the political points. I mean I can only learn the sociopolitical aspects from the internet anyway for I am not even American, but I see this mindset in my own country and its celebrities. And I get angry because these people don't acknowledge their influence on people.
Hey bro, I’m a recent fan of your channel and found it mainly looking for your insight on hip hop culture. As a huge Chappelle fan since the early 2000s, I clicked on this video seeking better insight on people’s frustration towards Chapelle and this topic. I can genuinely say you helped open my eyes to the impact of his words. I know it must sound ridiculous that it wasn’t noticeable to me previously, but to your point, when you feel like people are insensitive to your trauma and pain it’s easy to see others as whiners. I want to believe the trauma I’ve experience in life made me a better person and I think I let that diminish my perspective on people who didn’t want to put up with bullying that I had chosen to let ride when it was pointed at me. Thank you for platforming the people in your video. Hearing the pain and frustration in their voice allowed me to remember the moments I felt when barbs of systemic oppression was too much to shrug off. Those moments in our lives when the deep sadness isn’t converting to anger fast enough and you can’t help but feel sad and scared. I’m gonna learn more about this topic and share your video with some friends. If you get a ton of shit for this video please know you have one student in this class who heard you. 🖤
The "I'm team TERF" and "gender is a fact" statements weren't jokes. Just a way to shock people with his actual beliefs. He really seems to want to die on that hill and say well trans peoples' families still think I'm okay! They speak for all trans folks! George Carlin said it well when he mentioned how comedians are best known for kicking up, not kicking the underdog.
Yeah, the biggest letdown to me about Chappelle's more recent stuff is that he seems to not really try to be funny or tell jokes anymore, he just says what he thinks. Granted, some of the best comedians do that and it can be brilliant, but, Idk, I guess I just miss the days when Dave was more funny?
@@LeonardoDaVinciLulz He implied the opposite of what? That his trans friend's family (the one who died) still supported him? "In this day and age" trans people are still treated like a lesser people by even other oppressed groups. You do not gain power by being trans. He was trying to play HIS audience who already know who he is and mostly support his statements. He was trying to shock his critics who already don't like him. He's trying to say the dirty thing because someone told him he shouldn't. It's a pride thing at this point.
@@JLittleBass yeah I've noticed that with almost all my favorite comedians. It's like they get to a point where they're basically uncancelable and then let it rip with every edgy thought they've had the past few years. It can make for a decent joke but it can also just be a rant of madness. I still respect them all as great comedians but it's almost like they need to realize they're not invincible and their beliefs don't deserve extra protection just because they're professional joke tellers
@@Nick-yv1wy No, the mother did not like him, and HE supported the daughter, not the other way round. And regardless of what you say, the media and quite a few people are pro-trans, not anti-trans, what are you looking at that you cannot see this? You consider trans dirty? Lol okay. It's not a pride thing, it's a fact.
@@LeonardoDaVinciLulz he used her siblings support of him (not sure if you watched the whole show) as justification for his actions. He pretended that because they approved, he wasn't in the wrong. It's not that hard to just listen.
I will fully admit that I am a person that sided heavy with Dave on alot of stuff he said, not everything but alot. After listening to this whole video, I understand where I failed to see where I got things fucked up or to an extent, not wanted to see where I was wrong. I am a fan of Dave but he definitely missed more than hit with these lines of specials and I really appreciate everyone involved in this piece that helped me realize this. I'll take what I've learned here and apply it to my life moving forward, hoping to be more part of the solution instead of unknowingly being part of the problem just because something was funny to me. Thank you all again.
I don't understand how The trans community is somehow special? I laugh at jokes about gay people, I laugh at jokes about white people, disabled jokes, and jokes about the south. Somehow him crossing the line twice is fine with all these other groups, but crossing the line and talking about a trans woman throwing her dick on the table is too far Obviously that's just ridiculous hyperbole nobody thinks somebody is really throwing their dick on a table. Honestly, I will give you the whole terf thing he needs to acknowledge that there are some terrible evil elements in that group. Besides the terf thing, I didn't really find his comments that crazy. Trans-women shouldn't be able to compete in gender-segregated sports though, especially at the highest level. A young woman who is biologically male should still be able to play in school or go about her day without harassment or difficulty, At the highest level in sports though you are taking spots away from biological women who are only limited by their biology. Prior to changing gender the female swimmer Lia Thomas was ranked in the mid 200's of male swimmers, but simply due to her biological advantage she stole a national championship away from the very best in the female division. If you are caught using testosterone months prior to competing in sports even if you tested clean prior to competition you will face sanctions. It's an unfair advantage and the only way to normalize it is to allow female athletes to take testosterone for years prior to competition. Just seems like people are so brittle. Nobody is going to go out and curb-stomp somebody over a joke about throwing a dick on a table. So many legitimate threats to the civil liberties of marginalized groups that a couple jokes that push the line are not a big deal. I mean you analyzed the whole special and found 3-4 jokes and 1-2 comments that were inflammatory. I guess when your career is built on finding issue with things and discovering outrage its very easy to cast stones.
But you realise that a community is created .. they are not born into taking hormones or growing breasts or insisting they can get pregnant ... they cannot deny DNA anymore then people can deny their very cell structure and family lineage. Why do we talk in concentric falsehoods of misguided idealism? It is a LIE and advocating for people who are not who they are born as and engaging in their self-delusion isn't honourable - it is supporting a lie.
Moses Primm you say? I'm big fans of T1J and FD, I will have to check him out, so thanks for the suggestion (better than the algorithm)! Also, that's just a great name - Dread Daddies. Awesome.
Had a discourse once with a group of boys (I teach at an all-boys high school). One of them said, "if you are a black man and are anti-racist, but not anti-homophobia, then you're not really opposed to racism". That says a lot about what it would mean if Dave Chapelle, Kevin Hart, etc, weren't black at all. Would they then have a leg to stand on in terms of all these jokes and rhetoric? If you are for human rights, then you are for human rights. You can't choose who those human rights are for. If you have a problem with other people's human rights, then you don't have a problem with any of them. You have an issue with the fact that you do not benefit from either standing.
Intersectionality is an important part of minority issues these days. A good example of the sort of thing you're talking about is how terfs claim to be feminist but ally with open misogynists and fascists. When you start sacrificing other's rights for your own internal bs you quickly find yourself on the side of the oppressor. Hence Dave ending up portrayed positively by right wing news.
@@halcyon6098 Thats not how any of this works lol. There's a difference between criticism and bigotry, and a difference between an individual and an entire minority group.
I've avoided videos on this topic because as a closeted trans person it is extremely upsetting to me. I just want to say I am so glad to see you covering this. It means so much.
Ditto from an egg. I was really worried when I saw FD say he was doing a video on it, because I've seen a few people who have had just fucking terrible takes on this whole topic who I had liked in the past & reinforcing the idea that you can't trust the cis. So it's also nice to see a cis person not be trash on this topic, plus looking at it from this perspective as a Black person.
I would just like to say big love to you. I hope you can find a place where you are ready and safe to express yourself soon. But in the meantime you are every bit as valid as any one of us 💖
I think what especially makes Dave's use of his friend's suicide distasteful, at least to me, is that he's doing it in bad faith. He's not coming from a place of understanding the trans community and wanting to call out something he thinks is an issue, and would be an issue in any minority community, he's using it as an excuse to avoid criticism. Pardon the imagery, but it's like he's using her corpse as a shield while attacking her people. And he's not attacking them for specifically what happened to her! He's literally just attacking them for being trans, then saying they can't get mad because his trans friend was harassed by other trans people. It makes me think of how people constantly parrot the "most black men are killed by other black men", or "the real problem is black on black violence" to deflect criticism toward white institutions. Like you said, he's blaming the people hes attacking for their own hardships, while knowing nothing about what's actually going on and what their actual experiences are like. But the fact that he wields his dead friend, who suffered from these systemic issues and would have suffered from the things he's said, even if she remained loyal and defended him, and even if she'd never been harassed for doing so, like a get out of criticism free card, like a tool to escape consequences. Just puts such a bad taste in my mouth. Also he shows no awareness of the role he played in what happened, how he was the one who put her in the position of having to choose whether or not to defend him or not and thus making herself a target of backlash. Like I won't condone the harassment or say this sort of behaviour isn't an issue in queer circles, but it's a lot easier for Dave, a rich famous comedian, to say some off colour stuff and weather the resulting storm, but if what he says puts a spotlight on one of his friends, and they're forced to make a statement, then that storm might end up hitting them, and chances are their protection from the weather isn't as impervious as his. Because she was trans, and his friend, she would have felt pressured to take a stance, and unfortunately for her there would have been no right answer. I've no doubt that Dave's more conservative fans would have been the ones doing their share of harassment if she hadn't defended him, not to mention how it might have affected their friendship.
@@susanrichardson631 I'm not going to go quite that far. I do think he shares some culpability in setting that situation up and forcing her into that position, and not considering the potential consequences or his own privilege as a rich comedian who is far less vulnerable than her to angry backlash and has no personal stakes in the conflict himself, but I also think the people who harassed her are responsible for the part they played as well.
@@susanrichardson631 It's actually worse than that. Her family came out and specifically said that the abuse from others from defending dave wasn't why she did it. He just fabricated the whole thing to go after trans people, after a trans woman defended him...
@@anthonyrowland9072 It's even worse that that. The "abuse" wasn't even real, it was a deliberate cold-blooded lie on his part. She got about a dozen comments of levelheaded criticism from other trans people and that was it.
I’m trans and its always heartwarming to see creators who aren’t part of our community stick up for us, this video is so well made and thoughtful, I REALLY hope the algorithm does its job and spreads this!
Dave Chappelle grew up in a very wealthy , very educated family. His father was a college dean. His mother was a professor. He made jokes about prostitutes and crack heads - while that wasn't his experience growing up either. He's currently living in Yellow Springs Ohio, which is a hippie , but very white town. He's in the sticks... but there are like ... worse sticks. He recently blocked building of affordable housing in that town. So that should also tell you the person he was. He got a pass and you're right, probably became the entertainment rather than entertainer. But his early jokes included excuses for SA women based on the fact that they wore revealing clothing. And he got a pass for that. He was a rich kid making jokes about horrible stuff, and always got a pass. But then I guess he got concerned with how he was perceived. So then later, he decided to come back and make non funny jokes about trans people- because it's open season on harrassment of that group. And he figured he'd profit off of that. He profited of derogatory jokes about poor people, women , and now he chose trans people. He's a grown man, he could have picked any topic- he chose punching down. Thanks for digging into his professional past - but ... he made a choice. And he chose money, hate and ignorance.
Yeah as someone who grew up in SW Ohio, Yellow Springs isn't quite the same as everywhere that surrounds it, that still doesn't excuse Chapelle's behavior though, but his environment wasn't quite as reactionary as pretty much anywhere around it would be, which is an especially conservative area, culturally Yellow Springs has more in common with Berkeley CA (and Chapelle blocking affordable housing tracks to that) than say Beavercreek only a few miles away. Its also a college town with a liberal arts college in it - Antioch which actually has a history of left wing radical politics. The dairy farm to the north would host republican presidential candidates, but the town itself had signs that would say "use the left door (of course) ☭" posted on the left door or a building on Antioch's campus.
@@ldcow3948 Did you even read what I said? I was describing yellow springs not how I vote. I know more about sw Ohio because I grew up there. Someone from Toledo barges in and tells me yellow springs is out of step with how the State's been voting lately and that's fine. I never mentioned me here. Get off on making fun of libs elsewhere dude
The point of wealth is being able to choose your neighbors, and that is so throughout history. Blocking "affordable" housing in an area one worked hard to enter is quite pragmatic because (no matter what race, color, gender or ethnicity) concentrations of poor people inherently include MANY who are poor because they're mentally and/or socially defective and not in good ways. Poor areas are places to ESCAPE (nearly all non-forced immigration to the US was to escape poverty. I'm white and don't want white trash neighbors but since there is no practical way to filter them the only remaining filter is economic. That keeps the meth heads away so I'm fine with it as a matter of personal survival. Anyone who genuinely wants human garbage for company can have them at will, but those who don't have NO CHOICE but exclusion. You can't have a good safe quiet hood with low crime unless you use economic filters! It does not happen so why should people who work long and hard to escape the shitbags be forced to share space with them? Poor folks of all backgrounds who remain poor tend to have serious personal defects. If you want them for company that's fine. Others do not and choose their hoods accordingly.
@@neilworms2yeah I’m from Youngstown and I’ve only ever been as far west as Columbus (in Ohio, Ive been to Green Bay Wisconsin and had a layover in Denver when going to Florida) So I have no idea how Yellow springs is. My perspective of around me is that it’s kinda miserable to live here, but I’ve been lucky to not see much major crime (I was at the Canfield fair when the shooting occurred there) If dude lived in Youngstown he’d probably get a bit of a pass bc idk how many times I’ve told someone where I’m from and be told something along the lines of “god bless you” or heard that Youngstown is the murder capital of Ohio. I just know there’s major opioid issues around here since I’ve seen that 1st hand.
As a mixed person who's never been a "fan" of Chappelle, I felt like my opinion was one sided. "You never liked his comedy!" Because it always felt borderline punching down and this show solidified it. "Did you watch it?" Yup, illegally to not give him money 🤷🏽♀️ "But did you REALLY LISTEN to it?" Yeah, he didn't understand trans identities but felt his trans friend's death gave him the authority to speak falsely and hurtfully. He's not the good guy here, NOR is he cancelled, he's made millions! You can't be cancelled AND successful 🤷🏽♀️
It's just projection. Conservatives have been canceling shit for decades. The satanic panic against metal, Dungeons and Dragon, and violent video games. The Dixie chicks being anti war, etc.
@@corneliusrawness projection is a key symptom of stupidity and ignorance. I don't know how you haven't learned this, but let me baby you through it "I don't care about this" Doest not equal "Nobody cares about this" More projection than a middle school during the 2000s.
@@corneliusrawness If my friend used my death to mock and belittle ANY aspect of my life and justified their ignorance by saying the community was what killed me, that's killing me again. I'm not really accepted by the queer community, the Black community, the mixed community, most cis female groups, or even the neurodivergent communities. Doesn't give ANYONE the right to make bigoted and ignorant statements on my behalf about those communities.
What frustrates me about comedians like Dave Chappelle is that there is legitimate humor to be made about trans people. My trans friends and family are some of the funniest people I know who regularly make jokes about being trans. Being in community with these people, I know that there's jokes they would be comfortable telling and hearing about themselves. But he clearly isn't willing to hear/tell those kind of jokes. He'd rather double-down on harmful stereotypes and negativity.
I full on paused the video before "The Last 20 minutes", had a smoke, then lit some incense and hit play to find you lighting incense SECONDS LATER, I'm so synced into this video - thank you for another banger of an analysis!
I'm not fully sure what this is in reference to, i haven't finished the video yet, but I agree, especially if they have no control over what's bringing them hate and anger from others. I just wanted to add an exception to that, in relation to clearly bad people who want to get away with being cruel or vindictive. Not saying you included them, I and others should fully agree.
Thank you so, so much for this video. I've gotten into some heated debates with cis friends over this special and it's been so frustrating how no one understands why it was harmful. My #1 question I had when watching it was "does he know black trans people exist????". He so clearly ignored black trans people to suit his narrative and it feels good to finally have this pointed out by someone with a big platform. Thank you especially for bringing up how fucked up the last 20 minutes were lol. I feel like people totally gloss over the part where Chapelle explicitly says he was able to bond with Daphne because she "didn't pester him about any pronoun BS". He tokenizes her and tolerates her because she didn't challenge his transphobia. She was "one of the good ones", so to speak.
all he was saying what that daphne was thick skinned. im so sick of people failing to realize the point he made early on in the show: IM GOING TO PUSH THESE JOKES AND TOPICS TO MAKE A POINT.
@@corneliusrawness ur not getting it. White people say that about their black friends who let them say racist shit all the time. If you are a minority every day you have to choose, do I speak my mind and piss everyone off or just go along with things to make them comfortable, and every year you are pressured to be more like her. Compliant, yielding, unbothered. You’re left thinking Hopefully if I’m the trans girl no one is bothered by they’ll be my friend. That’s how cis people want every trans girl to live like. To accept that people will not respect them and often hate them and not let it hurt them.
@@possiblymaybe6711 no you aren't getting it. those initial jokes in the past specials were not cancel-able jokes... you want to take Dave's whole career over those jokes? Stop. And stop equating this to racism. There is no equating the two: another point Dave made. The whole thing is stop going into attack mode as soon as a comedian makes a joke... like they don't open up a dialog as to why that might be harmful no... they bully his friend into killing themselves.
@@heatherlee2967 I see you’re point about “one of the good ones” but Dave Chappell made it clear his problem is with WHITE PEOPLE. And white people who are trans have been able to achieve so much more acceptance than black people as a whole after years of marching, protesting, voting and DYING. He even pointed out the amount of privilege a trans white person has over a black trans person, so he wasn’t forgetting at all the black lgbtq people exist…he was making a point that black people are still oppressed while white trans gain more acceptance. Dave Chappell spoke honestly about how he felt, maybe he hurt feelings but he spoke the truth and many other peoples truths.
It's always amazing to me that Dave Chappelle is pulling this shit when he himself walked off the set of his own show when he was offended by the jokes made about black people.
@@joelnelson4228 Wrong that’s not why he walked off the show. He literally said there was a ton of reasons that lead up to him leaving. He said he left mainly cause they were pimping him.
@@joelnelson4228 “people I love tell me I go too far sometimes, maybe I Went too far but I did it” Dave Chappelle 2005. This is the same interview where y’all chose to run with the narrative that he cancelled his show cause he was “offended” by white people.
As a white 39 yr woman from Texas, I see so many family members who would never laugh at his jokes before, saying how funny he is now. And many younger white people who loved his Chapelle show stuff saying how liberals can't take jokes. It's telling to me, the census of people sticking up for him now. It says he understands their issues and them as well they his audience does. That is to say, he doesn't. P.S. also,, congrats on the sponsorship with Nebula. I really have been considering them. If I do sign up,I'll use your info. It's super cheap, but I'm super poor, so maybe in January after Xmas bleeds me dry.
That's a really stupid and frankly dishonest thing for heterosexual Black people to say. We aren't Black first because the community has made it clear we aren't. When Wanda Sykes said it's harder to be gay then Black, there is so much truth to it. When you come out, you risk losing your family and community. For pretty everything else, race, religion, national origin, your family is with you in the struggle and marginalization (with the exception of adopted folks and folks being raised by their dominant culture family in mixed raced children).
100% i think the black “community” is very difficult to be part of. If you don’t act a certain way that the community subscribes to (being cis, straight, godfearing, dressing and speaking a certain way ) you’re left on your own. Hence why being a gay black person is so damn difficult.
I'm still unclear where Dave said anyone needed to be "black first", he was comparing how the LGBTQ has made further progress then the black community did. This whole "black first" thing, is being completely misinterpreted.
My oldest brother is gay and he said the exact same thing. My observation on it is that if you're black and gay, or Trans, etc... then it's harder to be gay than black. But I'm not quite sure the same goes for white folks who are homosexual. Again this is my observation, but a lot of them still Tap into that privilege and have the same societal ideologies.
@@anthonygraham8122 That doesn’t make sense. How could that statement even apply to White people? I don’t think anyone is saying it’s hard to be White in America.
And for the record. I haven’t watched the closer. I stopped watching Dave after his last special. I remember when I was younger (in college) my ex hated him because she thought he always portrayed black people (in particular women) in terrible ways. Like he never had white folks as Crack heads or meth heads on his show. I remember my father not liking because he thought his jokes were irresponsible and that he was having conversations not meant to be had in front of white folks. I.E. White people not getting the underlying meaning and just laughing at nigga jokes. (He proved my pops right by the way). So maybe Dave has always been problematic and we just evolved and he didn't. Like. I don't believe in canceling anybody. I don't think it exists. Buy I just chose not to watch it.
I don’t feel too “offended” by his jokes. I get mocked all the time, I have tough enough skin to hear a trans joke. However, I am *terrified* by his joke. This is the shit that swings public opinion across the country. This is the shit that gets even more of my rights taken away every day. The jokes aren’t funny when they are tangibly hurting people, restricting their freedoms, and putting them in danger.
I watched the special and it was wack all around. It was full of corny and lame jokes. This nigga was ranting half the time instead of telling memorable and funny jokes, the special was easily his worst material yet.
The poem 'First they came' applies here cause we're all in this together. Granted there could be some new stanzas added to update it, it was written in 1946 by Martin Niemoller First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
oh my god, the stuff at 56:00 is so good. this actually made me tear up. it's really rare that i hear someone actually get it. it is fucking scary dude. it's so easy to stir up the whole country and make shit so intense. and why, why even take it there?
we don't want to be on the national stage like this. omg also thanks for the contrapoints link, she's AMAZING. i do think she's struggling w addiction in that video so her affect seems a bit off, but she's brilliant as always.
white trans person here btw, since this is a demographic themed video. i do want to note that trans people do somewhat change their biological sex. it doesn't change your chromosomes or anything like that, but hormones change you super deeply and intensely, to a point where i think it goes constitute a meaningful part of biological sex.
As A trans person I want to say, Dave's joke about the trans CEO would have been funny, if he had been attacking the CEO part not the trans part. A joke about them being the only ones with the money BECAUSE of their own companies practices, or possibly a joke about how their surgery was paid for by NOT covering employees transition surgery would have been genuinely funny. At least to me.
"it is very clear that Dave *_wants_* to be cancelled to use that narrative as a brand" thank you so much! i thought i was the only one who noticed this.. i was _this_ close to recreating that meme scene from Always Sunny In Philadelphia!! as someone who likes Dave Chappelle's shows (mostly the older ones) it is so obvious to me why Dave did what he did, and the fact that everyone ignores the obvious makes it so uncanny and surreal to watch people react to it (this refers to both people who defend him as well as people who hold him accountable) almost like none of this is real and it's all some kinda fever dream... i mean why else do you think most of his jokes are pretty much that "noone dares to say what i say" meme, and "you are not allowed to say anything" followed by getting away with saying everything (when i say "get away with" i am referring to most of his older shows like Sticks And Stones, he has not been cancelled up until now)
"it is very clear that Dave wants to be cancelled to use that narrative as a brand" And the idiots are going to help him to it. If Dave were to be cancelled, he'd have more reach than ever before.
@@guyferrari8124 Dave Chappelle? Been in the game for over 35 years, needs controversy to sell seats or his "brand?" Let's say that was true: how would that make him worse than any other celebrity?
Just because Dave was groundbreaking in the 2000's and made a profound move walking away from the business for a while doesn't make him some kind of flawless prophet whose every word is the gospel truth.
You’re telling me comedians aren’t modern philosophers who are the only ones in society brave enough to speak the real truth by triggering woketards and getting paid millions per special?
"Throwing rocks and hiding your hands" is such an incredibly poignant metaphor. Thank you for putting this together; it's an incredible video essay as per usual.
I'm glad that you spoke about this in detail, because I'm a black bisexual man, and I have always gone through this with my sexuality, people telling me to choosing between men and women, and now choosing my queerness and race, I hate this, horrible view of us LGBTQ people in the black community, I hope the trans community can move on from this and keep being themselves and stay safe
well first of all stop using the word community, that's how you show that you're not really a liberal at all and that your hypocritical about your comments since deep down you still view the whole issue in the wrong way.
@@larrote6467 did u not watch the video ur proving my point..u pick out one word which was community?, for what, and what does being liberal have to do with what I'm saying, are u a bot, and how I'm I viewing it in the wrong way😭
"people telling me to choosing between men and women, and now choosing my queerness and race" And you still made your choices and lived your life, right? If you want others to make feel accepted and respected, you're entitled to neither. To demand so is merely weak and pathetic.
Fiq, thank you SO much for listening to us and amplifying our voices! I'm glad to have more voices out there saying what truly needs to be said. I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. Sorry if the ending crushed anyone's soul. I blame Fiq.
I really appreciate that shared the perspective of someone who grew up in the 90s, that you laughed at his jokes, but still were able to explain why they were problematic. And also I appreciate how you took him seriously about his feelings about black vs. queer oppression, and still pointed out how he was being hypocritical and how he never once mentioned the people who are both. "Can't we do both things?"
This dude is one the most highly intelligent people I've seen talk. It's like when you get a class in college with that one teacher who is just absolutely amazing at what they do, except it's on youtube for hundreds of thousands of people.
If you like this kind of intelligent, empathetic, off the cuff boundary breaking commentary, I’d highly recommend a channel called Beau of the Fifth Column.
Naw this was a bit off. Chappelle wasnt soft on his white audience or close to doing buffoonery in his early days. He was being a little dishonest here with cherry picked video clips.
This really helped me re-evaluate how I approached the closer. I really bought into the Daphne thing because the details surrounding the suicide really struck a chord, the harassment Daphne received wasn't ok, but neither was what dave chappelle did, and the weaponization of that utter tragedy, to use against the trans community reminds me of my conservative family members trying to use black on black violence and crime rates to deflect from police brutality. It's disgusting, and I'm glad you're bringing this to light.
The worst thing is, Daphne's trans friends have said her and Chappelle didn't speak for month before her death, as their relationship was damage for his jokes on trans people, some of Daphne's friends even go as far as to say it might have been Chappelle's comments themselves what brought her to the edge (althogh that is speculation), but even if that last part was not the case, Chappelle never got in touch with Daphne'r family nor he said anything before he started using her as a justification of his opinions.
He didn't go to her funeral despite invitation. He didn't even know she had a child. The man wasn't a good friend to Daphne. And he doesn't deserve of speak of her while hustling which is all the more disgusting.
On top of the other two replies I want to point out that the entire story was also fact checked by many people, and the abuse that it is claimed happened, her being attacked by trans people on twitter, didn't actually happen. You can literally go look at her twitter and see for yourself. Dave made it the fuck up. People have spoken to her friends and family about it, Dave literally made it all up to justify his bigotry, it's fucking depressing.
I got really into the anti woke stuff over the course of COVID. I found your content recently and you've given me a lot of perspective on why I started to drift into the "anti woke right". I really enjoy your perspective and will continue to watch and learn. Thank you.
The COVID era broke a lot of people's brains. The "anti-woke right" is a VERY dangerous place to be though. It is, inarguably, the path to fascism, hardcore racism, authoritarianism, HATE, anti-intellectualism, anti-democracy, ANTI-EQUALITY, anti-science, ANTI-REALITY... it's ultimate goal is obviously aligned with white supremacy and the interests of the ruling elite (the billionaire/corporate CEO/big bankster/dark money donor class) which is, at the risk sounding conspiratorial, the rich old white men seated in the smoke-filled back room at the members-only club... at the local & state level they are the "good ol' boys club", the patriarchs and scions of your town's country club, the founders and legacies of the fraternities, they don't need to be in "secret societies", just the local Chamber of Commerce, Rotary Club, Field Club, the laity of your local WASP churches, the the ones who decide who will get to be the mayor and the sheriff, the DA, the chief of police and the judge, who's on the city council and who's in the state houses, who will get the contracts to build the new roads and parks and schools, and who will develop what lands to build new neighborhoods and commercial districts. At the national and international levels, they are the BIG DARK MONEY DONORS, the billionaires. They are, have always been, rich old white men. No one gives up their power willingly, their primary concern is how up maintain their systems of power and control and exploitation of the working classes for the benefit of them, the capitol-owning class. There is nothing new under the sun. The best way, through the centuries, the ruling class has maintained it's power and furthered it's interests is to set the various factions of the working and under-classes AGAINST EACH OTHER, maintaining focus of grievance of one group of workers against another group of workers obscures the TRUE SOURCE OF EXPLOITATION: THE CAPITOL OWNING RULING CLASS (today's billionaire/corporate/dark money PAC donor class)... if you can convince the overworked underpaid worker struggling to keep his head above water that the source of his pain and exploitation is the poor immigrant worker (who has literally ZERO power in this equation) AND *NOT* THE BILLIONAIRE FACTORY OWNER AND MULTI-MULTI-MILLIONAIRE CEO, then that's perfect, it let's them off the hook, and Fox "News" will go further and convince working class people that billionaires paying their fair share in taxes is actually "wealth redistribution" and "socialist/communist" and, hilariously, "punishing success"... they'll also convince working people that they DON'T DESERVE things like HEALTHCARE, A LIVING WAGE, PAID TIME OFF, FAMILY LEAVE, FREE HIGHER EDUCATION, CLEAN AIR TO BREATH AND CLEAN WATER TO DRINK, QUALITY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WORKERS RIGHTS, A LIVING WAGE, A DIGNIFIED RETIREMENT, ENOUGH NUTRITIOUS FOOD TO EAT, EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION AND SUBSIDIZED CHILDCARE FOR WORKING PATENTS, POLICE THAT DON'T BRUTALIZE AND MURDER UNARMED CITIZENS WITH ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY, ETC ETC ETC... ALL THINGS THAT WORKERS IN LITERALLY EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY HAVE, WITHOUT QUESTION, NOT AS A MATTER OF "LEFT OR RIGHT POLITICS" BUT AS A MATTER OF COMMON HUMAN RIGHTS FOR WORKING PEOPLE... so they set whites against blacks and browns, born citizens against immigrants, straights against LGBTQ, Christians against Muslims, religious against non-religious, and especially LEFT AGAINST RIGHT... when most people on the Left are only concerned THAT EVERYONE BE TREATED EQUALLY, IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE STATED IDEALS OF AMERICA... in other words... It's a technique that's LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD .. SO OLD THAT THE ROMAN LEGIONS PERFECTED IT... IT'S CALLED SIMPLY "DIVIDE & CONQUER"! See, while they set each group of America's middle and working classes AGAINST EACH OTHER using ridiculous and nonsensical "CULTURE WAR ISSUES" (like what kind of SHOES M&M'S WEAR... DR SEUSS GOING "WOKE"... MR POTATOES... THE IMAGINARY "WAR ON CHRISTMAS"... THE FAKE NARRATIVE THAT "DEMS ARE COMING FOR OUR GAS STOVES!"😂 AND "DEMS ARE BANNING HAMBURGERS!"😂.. AND "DEMS ARE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS!!!"(they've been falling for that one for LITERALLY THE LAST FIFTY YEARS, much to the delight of gun manufacturers)... fake claims that "CRT is being taught to little children... DISGUSTING LIES about Dems "grooming children" and LGBTQ "grooming children" and LIBRARIANS "grooming children"... BANNING BOOKS(!!!)... just ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER... NOW EVERYTHING IS "WOKE".. "WOKE BANKS"😂😂😂 and "WOKE CORPORATIONS"😂😂😂 unhinged people SHOOTING CASES OF BUDWEISER BC THEY DARED TO HAVE A TRANS PERSON IN A COMMERCIAL... it's all just MORE DIVIDE & CONQUER... meanwhile, all they're doing behind the scenes is TAX CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES & CORPORATIONS, DESTROYING THE MIDDLE CLASS, EXPLOITING AMERICAN WORKING FAMILIES, DESTROYING LABOR UNIONS, ROLLING BACK CHILD LABOR LAWS(!!!), AND BURNING & DESTROYING WHAT IS LITERALLY THE ONLY HABITABLE PLANET IN THE ENTIRE KNOWN UNIVERSE, ALL FOR THE BENEFIT OF A TINY NUMBER OF ALREADY DISGUSTINGLY WEALTHY OLD WHITE MEN, SO THEY CAN ADD A FEW MORE NUMBERS TO SOME DIGITAL LEDGER ON A BANK SERVER SOMEWHERE, MONEY THEY WILL NEVER EVEN, CAN NEVER EVEN, SPEND.. JUST MORE HOARDED WEALTH & RESOURCES AT THE EXPENSE OF, AND TO THE DETRIMENT OF, AMERICAN WORKING FAMILIES AND THE ENTIRE REST OF THE PLANET. THINK ABOUT THIS: THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF "WOKE" = "AWARENESS OF, AND CONCERN WITH, ISSUES OF SOCIAL AND RACIAL JUSTICE" THAT'S IT! THAT'S ALL! NO *WONDER* CONSERVATIVES *HATE* IT SO MUCH! Don't be on the wrong side of this stuff, the lines of morality and right/wrong couldn't be any clearer... One side is for HATE and INEQUALITY... the other side is for LOVE/COMPASSION AND EQUALITY FOR ALL.
I’m White. This video made me uncomfortable. I’m realizing some uncomfortable truths about myself because of your channel. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to work on fixing them. Thank you.
@@origrammarLove that guy im a queer white guy and i think the way he talks about things in terms of queerness is really respectful but also in terms of race has helped me realize my own inherent biases
The most frustrating part about Dave Chapelle is that I can actually kind of see the point he thinks he's trying to make. There are a lot of white people within the queer community that use their whiteness as a shield when called out for racist behaviors. The problem is that Chapelle seems to be under the impression that queerness and blackness are somehow mutually exclusive. Edit: Kevin Hart was not treated 'unfairly' though. He 'joked' about threatening to beat his son up if he came out as gay. That deserves some level of consequence regardless of the age of the post.
@@ramcycastillo8345 pretty sure he nearly stated outright, or at least heavily implied, that transness was made up by white peoples to do the thing you just described.
@@ramcycastillo8345 He literally compared being trans to the woman equivalent of blackface and openly announced he was Team TERF. He also claimed trans women had beet juice in their vaginas, and basically misgendered trans men by implying everyone with a 'natural' vagina was a woman.
Rich people wanna be rich and infallible, then cry cancellation when they get ratiod for having a shit take. It's weird to me that people feel the need to come to their aid like they're actually being harmed. I'm just really disappointed cause Chappelle is one of my fav comedians, but someone with such a large voice using it to harm/exclude people (mainly black LGBT+ people) the same way that white supremacists have used to justify hurting us is very disheartening.
"...someone with such a large voice using it to harm/exclude people (mainly black LGBT+ people)." He advocated neither the harm nor the exclusion of trans.
Its funny and sad how just a few years ago, when the Netflix specials were first announced, many of these same cishet black people considered Dave a lame or sell out or anti black, pointed out that his standup was never for black audiences and many were reconsidering the skits on the show. HOWEVER, the second they saw that lgbtqia+ were getting offended by some of his jokes they started martyring him
The whole thing is, he’s a comedian man. There are dozens of comedians out there with far worse jokes… But that’s the thing. They’re jokes. I hate the term TERF. It’s so fucking stupid… I don’t understand why everyone is suddenly so offended. This is the man who created Clayton Bigsby… It’s just ridiculous.
As a white queer person, I 100,000% have noticed the kind of rampant racism in our own community and even with all of that I believe that things are getting so much better
But that's the thing through. It's Racism. It's not about being trans or queer. That's the problem I have with this whole video. Dave isn't talking about racism in his special. He's talking about the entire trans community.
When the video got to the breakdown of the Dave Chappelle special, I was shocked by how few of the "jokes" were actual jokes at all. So many of them were just Dave saying his options about Terfs or Gender and then waiting for the audience to laugh. At that point it's less like a comedy show and more like a political rally. Great video essay btw
@@mrmanju6989 It's not comedy if there are no jokes being told. Chappelle goes on stage to complain for two hours and people call it comedy. Not to mention he has a disturbed cult fan base treating him like a prophetic god.
So, I'm really glad to see you standing up for black trans people, and this is mostly an excellent video, but your section on explaining sex, gender and sexuality isn't just simplified (totally understandable, you can write entire books on this stuff, there really isn't a five-minute summary) but a couple of things there are just wrong. Like the chromosomes thing. Not just misspeaking about the makeup (XY is typical male, not YY), but the idea that you get assigned a sex because of your chromosomes. Most people's chromosomes have never been tested, and every now and then people get surprised when something else means they need to actually look at them. Not often, the body parts and the chromosomes line up in the huge majority of cases, but the actual process is that the doctor just looks at the baby's junk and makes the call. Which, of course, sets up another batch of problems when things don't look like they're "supposed" to, and doctors get it into their heads to make the body fit the boxes. But that's its own issue deserving its own discussion, especially one led by the intersex people directly affected by it. And yeah, trans people are acutely aware of what they can and cannot change about their bodies, both in a "theoretically possible" sense and in terms of resources and social support, but both those circles tend to be a lot bigger than your average person thinks. And there are about five different definitions of "biological sex" depending on the kind of biology you're doing. Some of these change with various transition treatments. Some don't. Some change to a state that is neither "male" nor "female". But in the everyday social context, we don't usually do very much biology to strangers, and it's weird that people get so hung up on mine and my friends'. Anyway, thanks again for the huge show of support and I don't want this to diminish a well-constructed and well-performed piece that is first and foremost about the culture, and very much on the ball with that. Sorry for the wall of text.
"But in the everyday social context, we don't usually do very much biology to strangers" we are controlled by our brains, our dna, and our biology. freewill isn't an illusion, but the idea that you "control" everything you do, is.
@@BigHotSauceBoss69 eh, i feel like you're leaving out the social -- and sometimes political -- aspects of one's upbringing that directly affects their day to day lives and interaction with others, often times far more observable and more influential than the biological aspects. just ask any neurodivergent people, particularly autistic and/or ADHD people, about "masking". their biology dictates how they're supposed to operate and function, yet due to social aspects they're forced to "tone it down" for various aspects: from avoiding being targets of bullying to even employment. ask any person who deals with excruciating period pains about them being pressured into keeping quiet about it by their environment, to the point many have gotten so accustomed to it that when serious problems arise regarding their reproductive organs they'd get very late diagnosis because they can't distinguish it from their usual period pain. there's a lot more examples, especially when it comes to groups that have historically been oppressed and/or have their freedom and rights incredibly limited, but those two are some easy examples i can think of right now. yeah, the thought that we can control everything we do may be sort of an illusion. but more than biology, sociology seems to play a bigger part. ETA bc i forgot, lol: i believe that's why OP said "we don't do much biology to strangers". we don't really give the elderly our seats in public transport due to biology -- a lot of elderly people can be as healthy and have as much stamina as you do. we do it because society taught us it's what we're supposed to do. and it's a nice example, but also yet another where social aspects affect daily interactions more than biology does.
I don't think people are "so hung up on it" I think people have unique experiences based on they biological make up from birth that informed they identity ... Trans people get to be uniqly identify and so do female ... It's a unique experience that has a label...
We love that. If you want to learn more, I could recommend a few queer and poc creators, but off the top of my head, CJ for K, Kat Blaque, Alexander Avila are all break
Great video!! The thing that drives me absolutely NUTS about this situation as a fan of Dave's is that he made his whole career off making jokes about sensitive social issues so like... he *should* be able to get funny material out of this. Instead, he just decided to go on a badly misinformed transphobic rant and call it part of the act. Sad to see such a legendary comedian go down this path.
Really makes Dave a hypocrite since he literally stopped performing for years because he felt like people were laughing at him and not with him Proceeds to make fun of trans people with little social commentary
@@radicaldradcliffe4201 making fun of trans people is litteraly social commentary...he's a black man.. nobody Can beat him in sufferings contest...and everything he said was fact and Logic instead of admitting that people will just cry about it...but you can't fight the facts...
THIS. He was never like this early in his career but somewhere along the way started making political stances with his rants? Like he has nothing to do with JK Rowling.
@@fideletamo4292 uh...yes. BLACK trans women or hell Black women in general can outdo him in that area. But since he's never been involved with one in a long time...
I am a white man and at times what you say makes me uncomfortable, but it is good to be able to listen your logical and well thought out opinions. I think listening to other people's truth is always uncomfortable. So I appreciate what you are doing. I am trying to educate myself thank you for your content.
I admire you for your quest to educate yourself, but I can't help but contest what you said about "other people's truth". There's no such thing. A jar of marbles either has a even or odd number inside, and saying it's odd without evidence... maybe you're actually right, but that is definitionally irrational. And saying it's your truth that the number inside is negative... that's no truth at all. It's belief. An unjustified one, at that.
@@tempestive1 I understand "personal truth" more in a figurative sense, rather than a literal one. It's about what someone experiences to be true, how their reality is confirmed by their circumstances, upbringing, etc. The jar allegory is very strict and allows for no ambiguity, but social dynamics are rarely that definite. Everyone can agree if they know the number of the marbles, that it's odd or even. But if we examine the jar further and ask, why it has that exact number of marbles or if it should be more or less, etc. especially when everyone is involved in the filling of that jar, the answers will be wildly different and everybody would have some legitimate reason to assume that their understanding of the jar is true. Therefore each one has a personal truth, but the objective truth may never be found if these "truths" aren't compared and controlled for blind spots, misconceptions, etc.
i live less than an hour away from where chapelle lives, and i went to that town for an amazing pride parade. the town where he lives is actually very progressive compared to the surrounding town. the entire town and all the shops participate in pride each year -- except the chapelle store. this year the drag show was literally across the street from his store. i very much enjoyed the irony of that.
When you joke about stereotypes, the right thing to do is to ridicule the stereotypes instead of the people based on those stereotypes alone. It should be about "this stereotype is just stupid" instead of "these people are stupid because of this stereotype". Dave Chappelle did this brilliantly when it comes to race (but excluding LGBTQ one) and general politics. Sadly, when it comes to gay jokes, Dave looked like he was trying REALLY HARD negotiating with the gay audience that "hey, these jokes are funny. You should be able to take it. Don't be a snowflake." The problem is, how can someone laugh on jokes that directly ridiculing on their being? Certainly Dave's gay jokes aren't about laughing with gay people. But instead laughing with cis straight people TOWARDS LGBTQ people. In the end, if you reverse logic Dave Chappelle's jokes you will see he now has ironically perpetuated all the stereotypes, norms and oppreasive culture that he satirically criticized against in the past. Just sit down and think thoroughly first, Mr. Chappelle. Don't speak things you don't know about.
Dave left his show because he felt like people started to laugh at him and not with him but is somehow having a hard time understanding why another group of people might have felt that same way about his jokes. A dude who was so conscious of the responsibility of his jokes is now being an edgelord about it nstead of the irreverent comedian that is able to handle criticism in a clever way.
Who decides when someone jokes are just jokes or against your being? And who Said a joke that hurt my feelings Can only be against me ? Dave jokes are based on truth and facts...the fact that you find his jokes offensive doesn't mean he is against you...that was the point Dave was making...
@@fideletamo4292 not exactly based on facts though. Subjective fact that is experience? maybe. But that's not an objective truth, right? Especially when he talked about gender. Moreover, he maybe don't have any ill feeling but it means nothing if it perpetuates stereotypes. And stereotypes aren't always true, if not at all, because it's based on ignorant perspective that's disseminated socially mouth-to-mouth.
My favorite thing is how Chappelle says Twitter "isn't a real place", and then goes onto agree with the insanely transphobic things that JK Rowling said on Twitter... So I guess Twitter is only a real place when Chappelle agrees with them XD
As a cisgender Blackman who enjoyed Daves special ive been trying to educate myself about the community. This is not my first or last stop but it did help me re think my position as you are the only cisgender Blackman like myself to speak on it.
all you proved with your comment is that you're little different from those you complain about. Irt doesn't matter that you say "positive things" about x group oif people your mentality is still wrong.
"because our condition is so bad, we think it gives us license to pile onto other groups" man, as a white gay man, this also describes us pretty perfectly. we have a long "proud" history of disrespecting and degrading women, black people, trans people, etc and pretending its okay because were gay - pretending that were not just putting other people down to make ourselves feel more powerful. really loved this video!
Thanks so much..It's an inferiority complex and lateral hostility. Your response is speaking the truth. Respect.
So important for this to be said, because it really affects how I navigate the LGBTQ community.
That's basically the incel rational too I think. They see themselves as "wronged by soceity" and use that victim mentality as an excuse to be dicks to everyone else...
maYbE wE're alL nOt so diFFerent aftER aLl (Sarcasm signifier #2)
That can be used, though, as a way to prevent degrading or disregarding others. Maybe it's not wanting power. There are multiple groups against which I'd defend our side of the balance sheet of Who's Worse to Whom, but I don't want to see anyone mistreated in ways I've been.
@@melsmithmel Damn I have never heard 'lateral hostility' but if that doesn't describe a lot of shit I've seen I don't know what does. It's so fucked up, as oppressed groups are struggle are intersectional, not competitive. Gay men hating on other queer people, women and nonwhite cultures and groups are toxifying their own spaces and inviting the same oppressive forces into their ranks. The callout in this video is needed.
“Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying.”- Terry Paratchett
The alphabet people became bullies years ago. They popped up with Obama.
Comedy conforms to no set of rules. That’s what’s great about comedy it’s the purist form of independent thinking not there to please your ideology.
“humor is an act of defiance that we must learn to laugh in the face of our helplessness or slowly go insane”- Charlie chaplan
Everyone is hurting
@seeknprotect6179 if you can’t handle being made fun of than you can’t handle life
this centering of LGBT identities as a “white” thing is also so common in latine communities…the erasure of our own queer communities from within and “other”ing them harder
Yep. Back on the border where I was from the LGBTQ community has been thriving for decades (they even made a documentary about it called Pansy Pachanga) they love to claim we’ve been corrupted by white folks despite our ancestors literally having a god of gay lovers (the flower prince god or something close to that).
have to agree with this a lot. heard many older conservative latines claiming that the "concept of the LGBT community" has been brought from abroad (gringos) to corrupt the country as if queer people have not existed in the past i mean heck ive seen queer people in paintings and in erotic ceramics
You mean Latino?
@@los5517 Latine is the gender-neutral form of latino/latina. It's what spanish speakers say instead of "latinx" because latine sounds way more natural and there already exists precedent for a neutral e.
"Erasure..." Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
"Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences" needs to be written in the sky in letters a mile across.
freedom of speech is used when capitalists realize they have no defense from capitalist resistance (boycotts mostly)
Freedom of speech is just the jurisdiction.
Society has its own rules and punishments.
So all white people can see it.....
the right wing perception of freedom is protection from consequences. So that phrase is literal nonsense to them. To them you are saying "freedom is not freedom". The destruction of meaning is one of the main mechanisms used to isolate them from people "outside" their communities.
@@notaninquisitor7274 This person is saying the the modern right is wrong. sometimes on the internet you will hear people saying things you don't like. This is okay. You aren't a snowflake, you can grow and accept that some people don't agree with you. You can say "I don't think you are in charge of what english words mean so it's a bit silly to state this as fact" but saying anything like "you're oppressing me" sounds kinda snowflaky does it not? unless youre a devils advocate lefty or moderate in which case im not talking to you.
Carlin is to this day the first comedian who comes to my mind as an example of how it's possible to be edgy and offensive WITHOUT being a bigot. He was an absolute treasure
Yeah, George Carlin was the man. He pretty much nailed it every time.
What's happening to comedy really sucks. On one side we have bigots using the "it's just edgy comedy" excuse to push hate, on the other we have people ready to crack down on anything that could be interpreted as offensive, largely because of the bigots abusing the leeway comedy allowed for. We also have people like Hannah fkn Gadsby, who is less funny than cancer (men over 40 please get your prostates checked ❤️) In the middle of all of this are people who want comedy to be provocative, as it should be, but don't want it to be a platform for hate. It's a really hard situation.
Carlin was a king.
It really is nice to realize I'm not alone in finding Carlin's humor brilliant!
A real treasure. But he's so anti-theist, it's hard to watch in my latter years. It's a full frontal attack on one's beliefs, much like he's talking about here.
This reminds me of a quote from the creator of the Boondocks. "We knew we were going to offend people, but we wanted to make sure we were offending them for the right reasons." That always stuck with me. So I've always asked myself "WHO is this offending?" If it's pissing off people in power or people who are bigots or have regressive views, then to my mind, it's offending the right people. Why the thing is offending someone is important too. Like, why is it so important for them to offend these particular people? Are you doing it to reinforce the mockery of a marginalized group? Are you trying to call out a certain prejudice/bias that people have? So yeah. I think offensive humor has a place, but one should always be asking "Who is this offending and why?"
I love Aaron McGruder for that exact reason. The show and comic faced so much crap from the higher ups but everyone else loved it.
This is AMAZING
I'm late to this, but holy shit you're right! I have certain family members that are very stuck on making race jokes (we're white). They just keep saying that you should be able to joke about anything and that's how you solve racism.
@@mrcojocaru, and that's the thing. These "fundamental truth tellers" really think they're doing a societal good and forcing us to face our demons. But this just creates a "safe space" for that type of behavior, so why would it go away at that point?
That's why I pretty much always stick to "punch up, not down". I think its such low tier "comedy" to tell jokes that aim to offend groups of people who are *actually* oppressed. Like gee, you're so clever pissing off black people or trans people who are understandably going to be hypersensitive about racist or transphobic jokes. Boondocks is a great example of a show that really pulls off offensive humor, even if they may "punch down" at times because when they do that, its satire aimed at the people in power who are keeping those people down.
When Dave asked the audience 'Can a gay person be racist?' even I said with a resounding Yes. But then I don't know why but I was expecting him to ask 'Can a black person be homophobic (or transphobic for that matter)?' and that never came - I realise a few minutes later that would ruin his jokes later on
Can a homosexual be heterophobic?
@@pendejo6466 theyre a minority of a minority and theyre targetting a group thats in no risk of being oppressed so yea but why do you ask
@@Malachite7 Their numbers-“minority of a minority”-are of no concern to me. The point is that in-group tribalism, out-group denigration/exclusion is a universal; these qualities alone disqualifies anyone from being viewed as marginalized, vulnerable, hence worthy of special protection-that is not to say they’re not deserving of ANY protection, just no more than anyone else.
@@pendejo6466 But some communities do need more protection than others - regardless of how their numbers compare to other communities - there are still other factors that make it necessary. Although being a minority can contribute to the beginnings of why some groups need protection, socially, legislatively or otherwise
@@pendejo6466 so…. One person kills an Asian and gets 20 years, another person kills a trans and gets 20 years, same same. Great I guess…
I don’t think that’s the point tho.
I better example might be 1 in 1000 trans person are murdered VS 1 in 100 Asians get murdered. It doesn’t matter if the killers each get 20 years, that doesn’t help the community that’s being attacked, I’d argue that it doesn’t help ANYONE (we need rehabilitation more than punishment IMO).
So in this example I would guess the Asian community would in fact need more protection, right?
The wildest quote from Chapelle for me was him talking about if as many trans people as Black people were getting gunned down by cops there'd be more of an uproar. Like...Dave! Trans folks, *especially* Black and brown trans folks, get targeted by police brutality (including things like SA as well as murder) *all the damn time!* Truly has no idea what he's talking about.
Same here. I didn’t watch the special because I’ve always been weirded out by his energy, so never really saw that much of his work, anyway, but that statement is wild. At this point he’s coming off like the male version of JK Rowling. The parallels in their discussions of trans people are as mystifying as they are false.
If they were really being targeted it would be all over the media.
@@OffbeatsMusic Ayo, what parallels?
@@OffbeatsMusic You really can't judge it if you haven't watched the whole show... And that's a huge problem these days. Big opinions about things people know nothing about except from bits and pieces of info comming from others with biases and agendas without any context. This will rip everything apart. Even this whole video in nonsense and lies and therefore has no value except creating hate and or misery.
If don't really know Chapelle it's obvious, he is nothing like portrayed here
@@Mutation80 in your fantasy they didn't watch the shows, in our fantasy you become a smarter person
A few addendum
1- Yes I am aware that 2 Y chromosomes is pretty rare. My bad it's hard catching all my mistakes lol.
2- I'll be revisiting my stance on Kevin Hart in the future. Thank you to those who pointed out the further depths of that issue.
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4. Stop asking me if I watched the whole special. That let's me know YOU didn't watch the whole video🤣
Intersex people are just as common as red haired people (1-2 percent of the population). It can be chromosomal (an extra x or y chromosome) or it can be how the genitals developed in the womb (because the first x chromosome determines development before the second chromosome takes over).
@Kit Duguay and your point?
@Kit Duguay it entirely depends on what you are examining. The 2 in 100 data does come from an aggregate of various conditions that can alter primary or secondary sex characteristics, so that is everything from chromosomal annomolies , hormone sensitivity, chimerism, based on Anne Fausto-Sterling's research in the 80s and 90s. It is very much a type of valid measure when looking at how the public and science looks at sex, and how thing can vary from different models people use.
The 1 in 1000 can be more accurate when looking at specific things, such as at birthing centers or hospitals, where one can expect about 1/1000 chance any given baby may give a physician or nurse pause when assigning sex at birth based in gonads, but is also about the rate of some of the more common chromosomal conditions like trisomal X or klifenger (xxy).
So again, it depends on what you are looking at and how you define intersex.
@@knate44 let's make sure that the data and numbers don't mask the fact that we're discussing real people who get dumped on and dehumanized by society at large.
And even though I am sharing statistical information as well, these are people who just want it recognized that they're having a human experience, too.
I don't care if it's a million Americans or if it's just a single individual, they are real and they are here.
@@naterbaternaterbater not to mention in a world of 7 billion people
1-2% is still a lot of people. Like iirc theyre also on par with how many people have green eyes.
I was so embarrassed on Chappelle’s behalf when I realized that the climax of his set was going to be a lesson about how the best, most sympathetic kind of trans person is someone who idolizes him, loves all his jokes, and never teaches him anything he doesn’t already know
I didn't even consider that aspect until now, and you're so right.
The fact that the only trans woman Dave brings up as one who deserves our empathy, the one who doesn't deserve to be humiliated...is the one who said Dave is right & confirmed Dave doesn't have anything to learn or change....makes everything look worse, unfortunately.
The trans woman who everyone should listen to and whose statements should *actually* be taken seriously? Oh, the one who supported Dave.
It doesn't help that it happens to be the one trans woman who can no longer say anything that Dave doesn't like. She doesn't have a chance to criticize him, how he's talking about her - and how he's talking about all trans people. :/
Her support of Dave is now unconditional and infinite. It can never be clarified, revised, or retracted.
He doesn't even have to worry about the possibility of her no longer staying silent. :(
She'll be quiet about Dave's behavior and will never object...ever. It's tragic.
I hope Dave makes a public statement that actually explains why Daphne killed herself, apologizes, then never brings her up again, honestly. There's just no way he can do it without it making him look bad, because regardless of his best intentions, she can't speak for herself and it's unfair.
/End rant :(
Thank you for your comment.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 He should go on a trans-hosted podcast or talk show to argue his points so we can understand his ideology better. Communication is the best way to understand one another.
He did that with the story of insulting a Chinese women and the chill Mexican guy. It was uncomfortable how this adult never thought about the dynamics of his celebrity opposed to fuck these lady insulted at my asking where they are from. I get less insulted when a black man asks me that but as a Colombian fuck you stop asking where I’m from I’m displaced and stolen and living with strangers but you want to know where this “spicy” brown girl is from. It’s weird cuz it’s not insulting when asked genuinely especially from another immigrant but Dave was just saying man cool for not being offended see Mexican men aren’t as playing the victim as Chinese women LIKE ASAIN VIOLENCE ISNT RISING AS HE SAYS THE JOKE! He can understand his personal grievances nothing I guess outside of it. We are just sensitive liberals despite being down for armed Latin resistance but I guess Dave is that correct about the political spectrum and society cuz fuck feelings. Ahhh that made no sense and was just a rambling rage sorry for anyone reading tbh lol
She kind of did, though. Not much, but that center line, when he says he doesn't know what she's talking about, and she says "I don't need you to understand me. I just need you to understand I'm having a human experience." Again, not much, but it was something.
@@dayotobiusa I remember that moment. It could have been very powerful, but if memory serves he immediately followed it up with his response to her, a capstone that had him come across as the reasonable one with nothing to learn.
The reason this broke my heart is that dave mentioned his respect for the 'old school gays' specifically the stonewall people. Those where Black trans women. For someone who says they idolize this form of gay activism, not having the insight and empathy for us to not openly call himself a terf is just sad.
Money is the root of all evil
Dave's been on all sides of this spectrum and ultimately corrupted by it
They referred to themselves as drag queens, not trans women
He definitely has changed and not for the better over the year
@@kampoutkid the term did not exist when the stonewall riots were happening, and some of them did later refer to themselves as trans women, eg Sylvia Rivera changing STAR from transvestite to transgender.
It wasn't black trans women that started Stonewall. Nobody knows who threw the first brick, even the people that were there. And he should respect the old school gays because all they wanted was to be treated as equals and not entitled brats like today's LGBT wish to be treated.
I’m a trans girl. Chapelle’s jokes don’t offend me that much personally, and that’s the point. It’s not about individuals being offended, it’s about the effect caused by a man with a large audience spreading rhetoric to uninformed people that directly impacts the LGBTQ community.
Coming from another trans woman, let's be real here. It's when he defended JKR and called himself "Team TERF" is really when he went off the deep end. The stupid joke about the LGBTQ+ community being in a van and that dumbass metaphor wasn't that bad. It was the doubling down followup that put him in the shit end.
Believe it or not the fact he’s getting hate is the reason why he keeps doing Them
Well said
@@people2chronically-onlinehe's getting criticised for something he deserves to be criticised for. That's part of free speech too y'know, consequences still apply.
@@spibs_ he doenst deserve it try again
I feel like your whole perspective of this video is “I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed”
Also that Dave should be disappointed in himself, and a hopefulness that one day he is.
@@celeritas2-810 Yeah I hope he looks back on this one day and regrets it like any decent human would... He really fucked up and let us all down.
The assholes of the world are loving him right now though. Even though these same pos wanted him dead for defending george floyd. Yikes...
@@celeritas2-810 why should he? Yall need to get over yourselves and laugh too
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 he jokes about everyone, stop being a baby.
@@eftultima Laugh at what I laugh at Reeeee!!!
“When you throw rocks like these and then hide your hands” is pure poetry. Had to pause to say that. Wow, what a powerful line.
"Most of y'all throw rocks and try to hide your hand.
Just say his name and I promise that you'll see Candyman." - Kendrick Lamar, Element
It's a common Haitian creole idiom.
@@Goshin89 Oh, thank you for letting me know, it’s a great one.
@Marcos Darbyshire Cash’s “God’s Gonna Cut You Down” has a line “you can throw your rock, and hide your hand, working in the dark against your fellow man”
It makes sense that it’s an idiom. I have always liked that line.
I always though it was a Jay Elec line.
As a black pre-HRT trans girl, I really appreciate this comment about us "having no representation". And I'm really tired of people acting like we "dont think we're black" all the sudden.
What is HRT?
@@NeloAmaru hormone replacement therapy.
@@Robstafarian bot
@@laylah150 which community?
@@mistake1197 Thanks, I deleted my bot food.
Cancel-culture is two things.
A boogeyman for casual-racists/homophobes, and a great marketing-scheme for lazy-comedians.
Frl. If I had a penny for every ‘we can’t tell jokes anymore’ I’d be as rich as Dave Chapelle…
Believe it or not the fact he’s getting hate is the reason why he keeps doing Them
It is unfortunate that I have but one like to give your comment.
This is a wild downplay of just how genuinely harmful the mob mentality of cancel culture is. Even if you don't like who uses the point to their advantage, it doesn't make it less valid.
The internet has made reactionary mob actions normalized and allowed for its own way of mistreating people by moving opinion too fast to make good decisions. People will bandwagon on tearing others down over the smallest disagreements and feel like it's okay because there aren't consequences for them, or the need to see the results of their actions.
It’s also bullshit
Sorry this took so long for me to watch, as I’ve been trying to take a mental health break from this issue, but this was a truly excellent video, you did a fantastic analysis, and done with such care and I loved your perspective. And thank you as well for the shoutout to my videos, it means a lot, especially coming from someone so wonderful. Sending you love and again, thank you for your time and work making this ❤️
I just watched your video, thank you for the effort in educating the rest of us.
Just want to say - your videos on it were also incredibly informative. You definitely earned a break
Just watched your video and I can honestly say I appreciate both perspectives.
This is exactly why I only got to this video today, too! I loved your take on it, but I wanted to take a break from the issue for a day or two as well! I was interested to see his take as soon as I saw he uploaded this video, but I knew I wanted to take a breather to give myself room to process it with consideration and respect.
Thanks Jessie - I thought I was done with the issue as well but then saw your second video, the panel and now this great one. I think that it's obviously what is called for in the situation, that all the content producers were responding to a critical need or gap in the story-especially in different forms - including put out in video and accessible, these are such incredible productions, representations and resources. So, just, Thank you! and take care
Not what I expected at all. I came here ready to defend Dave, as an artist and black man but your logic and empathy has really changed my opinion. You really went deep and helped me explore my own implicit bias so thank you for this breakdown and pathway to understanding.
This kind of thing gives me hope. Being trans (who’s also poc) feels like you can’t trust Anyone outside your community not to shit on you with no shame whatsoever. I’m trying to claw my way out of a cynical, defensive hole where I came to fear even being looked at for a second. Videos and comments like this help.
as a trans person who has lost so many friends and family over "youre crazy you cant be a girl" this comment made me cry and gave me faith in humanity i donno who you are but goddamn it thank you.
@@anomienormie8126 the fuck is poc? what race are u?
I also came here to see how Dave was correct. I see my own bias now. Will do better
@Jeffrey Wu spoken like someone who isn’t trans.
Watched it on Patreon first but mi love how FD answers these profound & confonding questions with input from the Black community at large with throwing people like Anansi, Kat & even myself in there. If it wasn't obvious what FD is doing, given how he magnanimously platforms smaller Black creators, then its apparent now. Man is making a Black community on a platform that has marginalized us from Dawson days. Big up ya self bredda ✊🏿
Just subscribed ❤
Heyyy, I love your content too!
@@TheCoolmaster131 blessings, general 🙏🏾
@@justcallmeandy5180 whatcha saying, Andy! 🙌🏾
Yeah I genuinely appreciate how many people he uplifts and talks to in order to get more well rounded insight, it's not done enough in the commentary/video essayist community. Also for anyone wondering, the video FD referred to is fantastic, highly recommend 😁💛
36:22 the part about making funny jokes about trans people is so true. You can make funny trans jokes you just have to know more about being trans than cis people do.
I heard a joke recently about a trans woman saying on her 35th birthday that she “reached her expiration date” - a reference to a study thar trans women in some areas have a life expectancy of 35. That is DARK - but it’s FUNNY if you’re in on what that 35 means and you share that little bit of shared trauma that trans women experience.
There’s that joke like “if you date a trans girl, you never have to meet her parents” - again that’s a dark joke about how many trans women get kicked out of the house by their parents.
If you don’t know shit about trans people you probably won’t get these types of jokes, and you can’t make them funny.
by that logic noone should make jokes about anyone outside of their community because none of us know the nuances of each others communities... I wish lgbt and zionist would take a page out of the black americans book and stop being so sensitive everytime someone speaks on them.
@@TimesUhave2BA_radicalintellect its not about being aoart of a group, its about understanding that group, laughing with them not at them. did you even watch this video?
@@TimesUhave2BA_radicalintellect
Bruh. Do you have any type of reading comprehension skills at all? That is not what the comment was implying.
“Radical intellect” 😂😂😂
as a trans person myself, i totally agree! i've seen cis people make actually funny trans jokes before, it's just really difficult and uncommon for them. as with any marginalized comedians, trans people making trans jokes are almost always the funniest and most appropriate people to make them. i've seen well-intentioned cis comedians make trans jokes that didn't quite hit. cis comedians making trans jokes are more likely to make jokes at the expense of trans people, whether they mean to or not. there are few cis comedians who make trans jokes funny and manage to avoid making us the butt of the joke, and i think those comedians deserve praise.
the best trans joke was bill burr on how to get trans people accepted in the south is to get them an all trans football team
This one is gonna hit harder than the bo burnham one, let's hope the algorithm follows through.
Nah fd is one of the most important black youtubers rn
@@ayomidetejuoso3455 exactly why we have to go even harder with the engagement to keep the algorithm from suppressing it, CIA run RUclips loved CIA psyop Qanon bullshit but it hates the fucking truth
YESSSSSSS‼️So far, amazing left and right👏🏾‼️
@@xp7575 This is bs. The Illuminati and the church of satan walked so that q and the cia could run, now we’re not even going talk about all they have done for us? 😹😼
Commenting for the algorithm
"I know the difference between people laughing with me and the people laughing at me." Is the saddest part in all this, all the trans community are asking is that Dave stops encouraging people to laugh at them.
So jokes about other groups of people were fine but oh God forbid he make jokes about trans people. Grow up you should be able to laugh at yourself
@@pjvalenzona2002 my post was 2 sentences and one was a quote, so I'd like to know who you're arguing with right now
@@CptnBillHarris you said all the trans community asks is for Dave to stop encouraging laughing at them but its okay to laugh at other groups of people. Comedy is comedy nothing is off limits hence memes about celebrity deaths and overdose etc..
@@pjvalenzona2002 please look up the concepts of "punching up" vs "punching down"
@@capybara8477 u can joke about whoever you want any race or group of people. Just stop
As a black man, I’ve long observed that many black folk punch down on gays and lesbians, and now trans, because honestly deep down they’re the only groups many blacks feel they’re better than.
I couldn’t imagine reaching the heights of success Dave has, and being obsessed about trans people.
Dam that's deep
His interactions with trans people are very skewed. If he had some real trans friends or was close to a trans person he'd understand a bit but then he'd probably tell some jokes that are received well by the community and touch upon common ground.
No . . . That doesn't make sense. . . Being gay was against the law once a time . . When blacks had to sit on the back of the bus and were getting hung at gay white folks ancesters picnics, just because they existed. . White people made those laws. Black people were trying to survive and tried to stay away from anything that would put a target on their backs including having a heavy white influenced Christian lens that included being fearful to come out as gay and get cursed and banish from all you knew. . the church. . . Black folks didn't want to live a sad horrible traumatized servatude life and miss out on their only opportunity to get a mansion. Forgive the black community. It wasn't about feeling like they were better. . It was FEAR that has been seared in the minds, taught, and passed down. Blacks people are a true loving and too often too forgiving community that's been raped, beat down, stolen from, lied to, experimented on, poisoned and gaslightd on, often than not selfhatn N hurt community that has lost its true identity.
Not an excuse just fact.
Black feel away about white people
Really don't care about LGBT
They love punching down on black women too. Just listen to how David Chappelle talks about black women, they're always sluts or prostitutes in his stories, they're often getting abused, and there's never any sympathy expressed for their plight.
here's a funny trans happening. a friend of mine is going transmasc (for those not up to the lingo, born female, transitioning to male) his dad is amazing and supportive, but bad with words and terminology, it's 2 weeks since he came out, It's me, the non binary friend, also the only queer graymuzz in the community, his parents and himself going for fresh clothes , getting some feels for what this new dude might enjoy, big man wants to surprise his son with binders, a brace that helps give your chest a nice flat look, excelent for getting used to new clothes and feel. only problem... None of us could remember what they were called, so there's these three idiots , (me included, hi , very idiotic) coming up with the explanation of a binder to the store clerk with dynamic explanations and interesting new names, among them, "the titty squeezer" "the mulan bandage" and "the boob flatener", My firend could have stopped us at any time,,, but he was wheezing and drying of laughter. and that seemed to impede the oratory. XD
The Mulan bandage was definitely the funniest one
love how you define transmasc but not greymuzzle :3
ok im now forever callng binders "the mulan bandage"
@@gracen-writes-code That's more of a furry term to be fair XD. but just in case, Old crochety furries from the before-times. Extremely old. Like 30 or something... -is 29-
Got into some comment section ‘war of words’ when I expressed my dislike of Dave’s last special. You can imagine, my comments didn’t go down very well. Within a few responses, I had grown men calling me a man and telling others not to listen to ‘him’. I wasn’t sure if I should feel complimented or offended. (Of course, it was meant as an insult.) It had never occurred to me, as a female presenting cis-het woman, that I might be mistaken for trans. Yet there I was being double misgendered, by a black man, no less. It suddenly dawned on me that transphobia is not just a danger to trans women, but to all women, and to all people. What would have happened if that nasty exchange had happened IRL? What if I had been more butch or androgynous? Would I have been forced to somehow prove myself? Pull down my pants perhaps? For about 5 seconds, and at a safe distance, I actually felt the fear of transphobia being directed AT me. The thought of having to live with that on the regular was chilling. We have to do better by trans people, even if only for our own selfish ends.
The bans on trans athletes playing sports are starting to effect cis women athletes as well, who are now being accused by rival teams of being trans simply for having “masculine” features, and they are having to prove they are cisgender before they can continue playing. Transphobia and harmful gender stereotypes do indeed effect all of us, trans people just get the majority of the impact.
Not that it's necessarily the best reason, but it's perfectly fair to justify empathy with selfish ends. We're a social animal. That's fundamentally the evolutionary explanation for empathy. But we are more than that, and we depend on others. Treat them the way THEY want to be treated. and hopefully they'll treat you the way you want to be treated.
Julia Serrano writes how transphobia against femme trans people is deeply ingrained in misogyny, and I think your comment encapsulates that.
@@fmlAllthetime Word.
@@gee_emm That misogyny is also deeply encapsulated in the white femme fragile version of femininity that powerful white men have abused white women with for centuries and is also inherently racist and classist (poor women of all races were always expected to work and have mechanical know how) because that's it's starting point. It's some good stuff when you start to peel back the layers...
Honestly the most thought-provoking and illuminating rhetorical question asked in all of this was regarding 2021 as a subject. The storming of the Capitol, the antimaskers, Afghanistan, so many things have happened this year, so why does Dave feel compelled to go out of the way to dedicate most of his routine to this topic?
That's my question too.
YES....when he went on his self imposed hiatus in 2005...we longed for his social commentary on many of the strange inequitable things that were happening all over society....especially now....yet he keeps choosing to fixate on trans people. It's weird, creepy and I feel is concealing something deeper.
You can really see where is head is at.... And it's not with the younger generation that's for sure. I know see his defense of Trump as a bit of a red flag.
This!! And If he really means it when he says he hates white people, 2020 provided more material than ever. The protests to open stores, the anti maskers, the anti vaxxers, the joe Biden lovers, the trump lovers who want to kill Joe Biden, of all the things that white people have gathered to do in the past year, how did he land on Trans people??
Its such a wierd reach, so removed from reality. And it honestly just displays how out of touch this wealthy man is. He hates white people, but he'll still do a set about Trans people. Strange
@@anjalis4845 he defended trump??? How did i miss that?
Coming from a cis white dude and a person who has admittedly said things like “yup this makes Dave the GOAT”, this video was truly informative on a perspective that is so heavily trifled and unheard. You and your collaborators made me better understand the arguments that I was previously and unwarranted you closed off to. Thanks
Hey man life is about learning
I feel ya, I was in the same position a year ago. I only discovered FD recently but from everything I've seen he has a really great way of reaching people and speaking truth without speaking down to people. Tons of empathy. He's the real GOAT here.
I don't know if this applies to you but one big thing I've learned detoxifying myself from bigotry/prejudice is that a lot of it was rooted in spite. Seeing the way that a lot of very vocal, VERY online lefties act around controversies (including this one) and often make controversies out of little to nothing makes it hard to side with the left. At some point I became jaded and completely stopped taking the broader left and every social issue they stood for seriously. Hearing good lefties approach these issues in a way that isn't infuriatingly petty or self-righteous helps so much, at least it did for me. Basically if this applies to you don't take the lunatics you see on twitter seriously, always look a little further into it and be open to having your mind changed. There are tons of great lefties who want to help people learn.
What you did here is something that many can't. You sat through an hour long video that disputes what you believed and reflected on it. It's so simple but more often than not our pride gets in the way. Anyway thanks for coming to my Ted Talk, glad you chose to grow.
@Jub Jub Thanks for sharing that, made me reflect on some stuff. I do think I didn't phrase what I was trying to say properly though. When I talk about toxic elements of the left I'm not talking about dunking on bigots or memeing on caucazoids. Nobody has the obligation to be nice to anyone, especially if those people loathe your existence. What I'm talking about is the many (typically white) online lefties and libs who act legitimately hysterical and/or abuse legitimate issues and identity politics to push really toxic worldviews.
The "if you don't share this black square you're a white supremacist" types, the people trying to cancel ContraPoints for the billionth time despite her sharing 99% of their values, the purity testing, the smug self-satisfaction, the circular firing squad, the fact that a sizable amount of the online left tolerates and even occasionally supports straight up bigotry when directed at white people/men.
You know what I mean, those who conflate whiteness and white supremacy with white people as a monolith and patriarchy/toxic masculinity with men as a monolith. Luckily most of "those" radfems left to become TERFs so they don't have even close to the same effect on our optics but anti-white stuff? Far from uncommon or taboo.
It's understandable that a group with a long history of some of the most brutal oppression would be angry at those who continuously screwed them over and I'll be the first to meme on my caucazoidal nature, I don't care about jokes, the problem is that for a lot of people of color and their white allies it goes far beyond joking.
I've heard a lot of rhetoric from these kinds of people that are straight fashy, just with a few words flipped around. Black separatism, advocating segregation (for example with dorms,) POC railing on race mixing because they conflate protecting their culture and history with protecting their racial purity, the idea that POC opinions have inherent value while non-marginalized people should stay out of the conversation, the "power + privilege" thing being used to downplay and outright deny bigotry against hwites because "you can't be *racist* against white people" (aka semantics.) All of these examples have one major thing in common: they reflect very real issues facing POC but have been taken so far that their perfectly fair points turn into something hateful or otherwise toxic.
Black culture and history have always been crushed and diluted, the fear and desire to protect it is totally justified. It also should've never had to be a race thing since race as we know it was made up, serves only to divide us and keep white people on top. We need to be moving forward on race, not backwards. We need actual integration so that POC stop seeing themselves/being seen as outsiders. Mayo people tend to lack the personal experience to comment on a lot of race issues but then again I've met and seen a lot of non-white people say dumber things about race issues than many whites.
Marginalized voices are important but only if their voices are used to spread the right messages. So often I see marginalized people (especially black women and trans people) making awful, even bigoted statements and people of all races/creeds/genders jump to their defense. Even if a white person makes a fair, good faith criticism of something absolutely heinous "umm sry sweaty ur yte & racist & nobody asked for ur opinion." It essentially insulated a lot of online marginalized folks from criticisms that anyone else would get metric tons of. That validates bad ideas and leads to stuff like Black Hammer lol.
Basically all of this is to say that my issue doesn't lie with a lack of civility, you don't owe anyone anything. You have every right to be angry and hurt, if you don't want to be patient with bigots or ignorant people please be my guest. Unfortunately just like on the right (but not as bad) a lot of people hide their hatred behind the shield of humor and/ot the armor of anti-racism & identity. As a result of that and what I believe is the left having way too much charitability for marginaized peoole we end up with the normalization of harmful ideas and toxic behaviors that push people away.
My dream and I assume the dream of many leftists is that one day once we've ended systemic racism for good race as we know it will start to fade away until eventually we all just see each other as human beings. The people holding different standards for different races and letting stuff like "black" superiority rhetoric, segregation and keeping leftie caucazoids quiet slide all we'll ever do is keep the dream of a post-race world a dream. We need unity, which is impossible with some of the types of people who are speaking for us causing division and pushing people away.
@Jub Jub Also sorry for the novel, I just wanted to clarify that from what I understand we're on the same page and explain exactly where I was coming from. This one is more directed towards your comment. I don't expect anyone to be accommodating if it hurts or wears them out to do it.
I also have a penchant for righteous indignation, I don't personally engage in it because conflict makes me anxious but it's a lot fun hearing Vaush, Dylan Burns, or whoever tear bigots apart. Would love to see more POC banish their haters to the shadow realm but then again I imagine it must be frustrating and painful debating people on whether your melanin level makes you subhuman.
I don't care if the online left is mad, they have every right to be and I kinda like it. My problem is when "mad" turns to "hysterical," then swiftly to "delusional." It hurts our cause optically and structurally while it normalizes some pretty counterintuitive, divisive and often downright hateful behaviors and rhetoric that does nothing but hurt us.
Anyway thanks for the comment, you did make me think and it's cool thay we can be open without picking a fight, the internet is pretty rough, I appreciate ya. I'm sorry that what I said hurt you, we probably don't agree with everything but you're a comrade and I don't want to make you feel any kind of way. I hope my explanation helped clarify things at least a bit for ya.
Peace!
@@TayTayMakesBeats As someone who is a hardcore leftist, I totally agree that a lot of the left is incredibly annoying, but if you actually care about the issues of the left, none of that should change your core values. So yes, I get it, but I think people who get pushed away from their beliefs by some dumb people online probably didn't believe those things very strongly anyway. That being said, very glad you were able to get past that stuff!
I used to be one of Dave Chapelles biggest fans until he started punching down and ignoring the real problems we all face. Dave is just another rich person who only sees green.
Punching down ? Thats very bigoted of you
@@robZzdaboss cis person attacking trans folks absolutely is punching down.
@@FinTurner-d7h so you're saying that CIS people are better than trans people.
@@robZzdabosssaying punching down is bigoted? You don’t even know what the words you say mean.
@@jourdansarpy4935 yes it means that you believe that one is superior and the other inferior which is bigoted.
i’m trans, and i hope you know this advocacy means so much to me, to us. seeing cis people provide smart, informed, and kind perspectives is a wonderful rarity. appreciate it so much man. and great video!
after years of trying to understand what trans is. i'm happy you feel understood
Wonder how Daphne would have felt.
Advocacy should be the norm instead of a rarity!
Thank you so much. Your closed minded stereotypes mean so much to us.
@@wclark3196 what? i’m not saying cis people are all closed minded, not at all! it’s just that i rarely see perspectives like this. people certainly try very hard and i’m lucky to have a lot of supportive people in my life , but especially online i rarely see this kind of stuff from cis people. not that it doesn’t happen, just that i appreciate it a lot when it happens :)
I really appreciate your comments about 'cancelling' vs consequences. The reactionary pearl-clutching that accompanies 'cancelling' never takes into account that people with money, power and influence rarely actually suffer genuine consequences.
The pearl-clutchers are the those attempting to police the language of others.
@@pendejo6466 try watching the video before embarrassing yourself in the comments section, dear.
@@goblin3359 I did. In addition, I was referring to the comments because they go with the video.
@@pendejo6466 then you missed the point. Why do you feel that wealthy people with a massive platform should be immune from criticism? Dave Chappelle has the right to say what he wants in his show. What he does not have is the right to not be criticised when he says harmful things. Sorry that you think of that as 'policing'.
@@goblin3359 Criticism deserves criticism, no?
In addition, it's not his wealth or fame that's under outsized scrutiny, it's his ideas; to connect the former with the latter is dishonest and only serves to muddle the conversation.
Talking about missing the point.
Trans people are not central to his act, historically or in a specific show. The claim Dave is making--while everyone is martyring themselves in self-pity and glorifying themselves in victimhood narratives--is that in the era of BLM, the lives of black men is cheap. All this under the glaring and silent hypocrisy of the trans movement.
"You ≠ Dave Chappelle"
"You ≠ celebrity whose work you like" is such a common mistake that nearly all of us make. Even in 2021 I find myself instinctively trying to defend Frank Miller because I loved his old stuff as a kid, and some truly great stuff was created because of that stuff.
I will say I do believe Frank at one point acknowledged his wrong doings, which is why he hasn’t been called out.
@@Limptastical I have seen nothing about that, so I'm skeptical. But I would (for the sake of my teenage self) love for it to be true that he's acknowledged his bad takes. That would have to have been in the last... 11 years, 'cause "Holy Terror" was some pretty egregiously racist, islamophobic trash and that was 2011. Again, I would love to find out this is true!
Alan Moore wrote Watchmen and The Killing Joke but he also wrote Lost Girls which is one of the most baffling things I've ever read and if you have not read it, you should read a synopsis before you do. You'll never catch me defending it.
Exactly what I fell Into. There’s an obvious bias towards celebrities that you and I may look up too. An instinctive para social defense to people who’s content you enjoy.
@@mystical5868 Even the killing joke is heavily, heavily controversial, and a large majority of people hate that comic.
Seeing a cis guy acknowledge that not all trans people receive gender affirming surgery or even GAC in general just made my day. there are TRANS PEOPLE who dont get this.
Some allies are cool with just supporting trans people and not learning more about it but when I see a cis person actually have knowledge about it? Incredible.
"can't speak if you're not involved" - the dude you're praising lol
@@comicbrandon not involved in..what?
Can one be an ally and not be ok with the term “cis”? I said I don’t like the term and I was called homophobic. I don’t get that. My coworker is a zesty queen and I use her preferred pronouns and name but I’m a homophobe because I don’t want to be called cis, cis-man, cis-guy?
Cis? Tf is that? Is that like a new cheese type or some shit?
@@kapulono i mean it’s an important term for distinguishing between who’s trans and who’s not, as that’s literally what cis means. You wouldn’t get called cis in a context outside that.
Brotha brotha BROTHA. As a black gay man, I appreciate your detailed breakdown.. I’ll be sharing this video with all the heterosexual people around me 🙏🏾
@Michael "Abdullah" Smith Idk what’s happening or what the proposition is, but I do want add some things that should be pinned in the discussion leftism, LGBTQ and religion.
People grow up in religion born not only with orientation that counters the standards of their religion, but with varying experiences. Some were traumatized by such standards and have actively left their religion. Others similar struggle but somehow actually want to fulfill the mission of their religion. And most, want to leave but can’t due to the large amount of repercussions of doing so.
Western leftists shouldn’t be forcing Muslims or anyone from a religious background to accept LGBTQ publicly because as I just mentioned, it is basically forcing them to face those unruly consequences. If we are there and are easily able to provide a drawback or backup from the extortion of religion then sure. What we can do is encourage people to mindful and keep whatever stereotypical traditions of their religion to themselves.
Of course they’re are going to need to combat their own religious beliefs that are counterproductive to morality. Although it is our duty to educate, it is their duty to accept it and improve from it.
But we should also be mindful about the environment marginalized people are in and ensure that we can offer the best experiences for them.
I will say though, "crossing the line twice" jokes have a lifespan. Time moves on and culture changes; That line moves and sometimes you can send up crossing back over that line. It's humour that ages like milk. It's also functionally identical to be "Schrodinger's joke", and there's nothing a nazi-lite loves more than using black celebrities to hide behind
Truth.
I feel like stand-ups are becoming aware of that, but they are using it more to defend themselves from criticism. The conversation with stand-up comedy has shifted from "Is the comedian funny?" to "Is the audience offended?" So it's removing any agency and ultimately any blame from the comedian having to be a better comedian. Especially when you can just assume that people who don't laugh at you, are just offended or virtue signaling or apart of some culture war.
Makes me think, similar to Andrew Dice Clay, if "hacky" comedians from the 00s like Dane Cook, Carlos Mencia, or Jeff Dunham would be shielded by similar zealous fans if they were to use their identity as "truth tellers" to defend their comedy.
@@MayorOfEarth79 offensive comedy is like a spice or a genre of music. Some people are allergic, some people tolerate it and some people love it. It dosnt kill everyone and only mature people can handle a premise that represents them because they are confident of who they are. Comedy is also told by stage clowns those are people that should not be taken serious because there whole existence isn’t a normal human pathway. People who hate comedians most likely hold celebrities higher than needed. Actions are more important words.
Those jokes are part of the classic comedic structures (and by classic I mean all the way back to the Greeks) and will endure *as long as they're done well*. That's the caveat which, sadly, has very much lacking in comedy also since forever. The joke has to be constructed in a way that can't be misunderstood without having to explain it (which kills it) and that's still funny; it's a skill and it's a difficult one. When culture changes, lazy, mediocre and stupid comedy is exposed. This is what's really has all these comedians so pressed, some don't have what it takes and, more established ones, are used to cruising by their name and fame only, they're now either too lazy or too entitled to go back to the actual craft. The public isn't stupid, and lately it would seem that that's what high-profile comedians are having a problem with.
In the end comedy as a genre is guaranteed to endure, comedians however are not extended the same assurance. Chappelle's special forgot the funny. If you wanna be "edgy" you just can't be mediocre.
There's nothing "nazi-lite" about people defending comedy or freedom of speech. If you just didn't think Dave's last special was funny that's fine, but his previous two were definitely funny and included making light or making fun of lgbt persons.
Comedy and freedom of speech are more important than your feelings at any point in time. You aren't untouchable, be humble and down-to-earth instead of sheltered and shielded from reality.
You need to stop using buzzwords like Nazi because you're sounding like the morons from the time of the salem witch trails. Respect is also earned, you or anyone don't deserve it for free from anyone just because you're lgbt.
One of the most prolific comedians of current day telling some of the laziest “divorced dad on Twitter” jokes is actually pretty sad.
And people defending him for it! He has a great repertoire but this new shit is so lazy in comparison
@@Squishy876 Chappelle and Gervais wake up every day depressed that it's still not 2005 again.
@@samfilmkid Don't even get me started on Ricky. Shit, FD needs a deep dive on that asshole
@@samfilmkid word
@@samfilmkid word
"Dave Chapelle has a deceased trans friend and her family says he is an ally." If he was an ally, then he would have make jokes that punched up, not give into terf circles.
Also, I thought "but I have a black friend" was a bad excuse until I heard "I used to have a trans friend."
Also also she wasn't his friend, she was his subordinate coworker. Daphne Dorman's friends are on record debunking both her fame-grubbing blood relatives' statements and the corpse abusing lies of Chapelle.
oh my gosh the rant off top, thank you 💕
Perfect rant!🖤
"You think he doesn't know that?" is an absolute CIIC finisher there. By which I mean: Concise, Incisive, Informative, and Clear.
Khadija thank you for shouting this channel. Found a gem.
Yes!
Wouldn't have got here without your shout-out
Man, the bit about Dave Chapelle fully recognizing that jokes can have a big impact and can be very damaging because that's why he walked away from the Chapelle Show is just so on point. This might be your best video yet.
Yeah, the reason why it's funny is because it was complete joke. The closer was feeling empathy. He also said he always goes at white people. Those white people laughing and him realizing they are laughing at him not with him could be lgbt too.
@@turtlecoal If The Closer was about empathy, then I don't feel like his audience was actually taking that to heart. I've just seen them use Dave's comedy/commentary as a way to bash and insult trans people.
@@MayorOfEarth79 when you’re dealing with people who don’t wanna see your side it doesn’t matter what you say or how you say it it won’t get through & they won’t hear you until you bend the knee & say “you’re right” even when they’re not so you can stand your ground & know what you’re saying & doing along with the intent is right & be hated for it or you can kiss ass & be “loved”
@@turtlecoal If The Closer was about empathy, apparently Chapelle sucks at it.
@@MayorOfEarth79 That's you personally & apparently not everyone feels that way, including some in the LGBT community.
Exactly why I f*ck with this dude. He always approaches these subjects from the perspective of kindness and inclusion. I don't always agree with him, but he's earned my ear during stuff like this because I appreciate the perspective.
Yes bro i dont agree with his pov most of the time but hearing it is always enlightening
Thank you seriously for hearing out perspectives that you don't agree with; as a philosophy major this was like something i had to learn to appreciate and uiltilize to help me have a more fuller and expansive worldview
@@1127films philosophy is so interesting I’m doing an ethics class rn studying Kant and mills and allat I just worry how practical it is in the working world. What do you plan to use your Phil major towards if you don’t mind me asking
@@wince9537 I studied philosophy I’m in law school now
@@birdeater2848 which of his opinions do you disagree with
Funnily enough, the thing that really made me understand how the trans community felt, was my disappointment with Bill Burr. Bill is probably one of the funniest comedians ever, in my opinion, but I immediately cringe whenever he does a fat joke. I’m fat and have absolutely no issues with a good fat joke. But Bill will go on and on, while saying the same old shit. No attempt at all is being made to come up with anything new to say.
And I’m not putting fatness on the same level transness, by any means, just that it gave me perspective.
it’s that moment where the stand up gets jussssst not funny enough for you to be like oh this is just a…. belief you hold
like you just are really angry
So excited to hear your thoughts on this.
me too tee
Omg, I love your content 😃
waiting to hear your take on the topic as well
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OMG THE QUEEN, love your content!!!!
"we sound so much like other people when the shoe is on the other foot" - man that hypocrisy is so heartbreakingly common, it really hurts to see that, when what you wish you'd see is solidarity.
Thanks for this. I was against his false victimhood because he was confusing any adversity as cancelation. I was aggravated as a black man who grew up with the harsh stereotypical childhood that he didn't have and bristled when I heard this millionaire pretend that his existence was being threatened by what any non-famous, constantly touring, jobber comedian would call a tough room or a set that didn't work. New comedians would just say "that doesn't work, I'll change my set" but he said "no, they need to change and like my set".
I had never even gotten to the part where he left black trans people in the lurch. That was my blind spot as a cis het black man. Thank you for helping to shine a light there.
"when I heard this millionaire pretend that his existence was being threatened by what any non-famous, constantly touring, jobber comedian would call a tough room or a set that didn't work."
Seriously. Many famous people including famous comedians lose their humility with time. Or they never had to build it in the first place. This issue is beyond all the political points.
I mean I can only learn the sociopolitical aspects from the internet anyway for I am not even American, but I see this mindset in my own country and its celebrities. And I get angry because these people don't acknowledge their influence on people.
Hey bro, I’m a recent fan of your channel and found it mainly looking for your insight on hip hop culture. As a huge Chappelle fan since the early 2000s, I clicked on this video seeking better insight on people’s frustration towards Chapelle and this topic.
I can genuinely say you helped open my eyes to the impact of his words. I know it must sound ridiculous that it wasn’t noticeable to me previously, but to your point, when you feel like people are insensitive to your trauma and pain it’s easy to see others as whiners. I want to believe the trauma I’ve experience in life made me a better person and I think I let that diminish my perspective on people who didn’t want to put up with bullying that I had chosen to let ride when it was pointed at me.
Thank you for platforming the people in your video. Hearing the pain and frustration in their voice allowed me to remember the moments I felt when barbs of systemic oppression was too much to shrug off. Those moments in our lives when the deep sadness isn’t converting to anger fast enough and you can’t help but feel sad and scared.
I’m gonna learn more about this topic and share your video with some friends. If you get a ton of shit for this video please know you have one student in this class who heard you. 🖤
The "I'm team TERF" and "gender is a fact" statements weren't jokes. Just a way to shock people with his actual beliefs. He really seems to want to die on that hill and say well trans peoples' families still think I'm okay! They speak for all trans folks! George Carlin said it well when he mentioned how comedians are best known for kicking up, not kicking the underdog.
Yeah, the biggest letdown to me about Chappelle's more recent stuff is that he seems to not really try to be funny or tell jokes anymore, he just says what he thinks. Granted, some of the best comedians do that and it can be brilliant, but, Idk, I guess I just miss the days when Dave was more funny?
@@LeonardoDaVinciLulz He implied the opposite of what? That his trans friend's family (the one who died) still supported him?
"In this day and age" trans people are still treated like a lesser people by even other oppressed groups. You do not gain power by being trans. He was trying to play HIS audience who already know who he is and mostly support his statements. He was trying to shock his critics who already don't like him. He's trying to say the dirty thing because someone told him he shouldn't. It's a pride thing at this point.
@@JLittleBass yeah I've noticed that with almost all my favorite comedians. It's like they get to a point where they're basically uncancelable and then let it rip with every edgy thought they've had the past few years. It can make for a decent joke but it can also just be a rant of madness. I still respect them all as great comedians but it's almost like they need to realize they're not invincible and their beliefs don't deserve extra protection just because they're professional joke tellers
@@Nick-yv1wy No, the mother did not like him, and HE supported the daughter, not the other way round. And regardless of what you say, the media and quite a few people are pro-trans, not anti-trans, what are you looking at that you cannot see this? You consider trans dirty? Lol okay. It's not a pride thing, it's a fact.
@@LeonardoDaVinciLulz he used her siblings support of him (not sure if you watched the whole show) as justification for his actions. He pretended that because they approved, he wasn't in the wrong. It's not that hard to just listen.
I will fully admit that I am a person that sided heavy with Dave on alot of stuff he said, not everything but alot. After listening to this whole video, I understand where I failed to see where I got things fucked up or to an extent, not wanted to see where I was wrong. I am a fan of Dave but he definitely missed more than hit with these lines of specials and I really appreciate everyone involved in this piece that helped me realize this. I'll take what I've learned here and apply it to my life moving forward, hoping to be more part of the solution instead of unknowingly being part of the problem just because something was funny to me. Thank you all again.
Agreed. I definitely missed a lot that this video highlighted but I'll always try and see where I failed and try and improve from it.
I doubt you'll apply anything. But sure.
@@cadetcyuzuzo7729 hey look a troll
Man, it’s good to see comments like this
Ur still allowed to laugh at whatever you like without having to "accept" the rhetoric
The fact that you advocate so eloquently for the trans community makes my heart feel with joy. You deserve all the accolades.
I don't understand how The trans community is somehow special? I laugh at jokes about gay people, I laugh at jokes about white people, disabled jokes, and jokes about the south. Somehow him crossing the line twice is fine with all these other groups, but crossing the line and talking about a trans woman throwing her dick on the table is too far Obviously that's just ridiculous hyperbole nobody thinks somebody is really throwing their dick on a table. Honestly, I will give you the whole terf thing he needs to acknowledge that there are some terrible evil elements in that group. Besides the terf thing, I didn't really find his comments that crazy.
Trans-women shouldn't be able to compete in gender-segregated sports though, especially at the highest level. A young woman who is biologically male should still be able to play in school or go about her day without harassment or difficulty, At the highest level in sports though you are taking spots away from biological women who are only limited by their biology. Prior to changing gender the female swimmer Lia Thomas was ranked in the mid 200's of male swimmers, but simply due to her biological advantage she stole a national championship away from the very best in the female division. If you are caught using testosterone months prior to competing in sports even if you tested clean prior to competition you will face sanctions. It's an unfair advantage and the only way to normalize it is to allow female athletes to take testosterone for years prior to competition.
Just seems like people are so brittle. Nobody is going to go out and curb-stomp somebody over a joke about throwing a dick on a table. So many legitimate threats to the civil liberties of marginalized groups that a couple jokes that push the line are not a big deal. I mean you analyzed the whole special and found 3-4 jokes and 1-2 comments that were inflammatory. I guess when your career is built on finding issue with things and discovering outrage its very easy to cast stones.
But you realise that a community is created .. they are not born into taking hormones or growing breasts or insisting they can get pregnant ... they cannot deny DNA anymore then people can deny their very cell structure and family lineage. Why do we talk in concentric falsehoods of misguided idealism? It is a LIE and advocating for people who are not who they are born as and engaging in their self-delusion isn't honourable - it is supporting a lie.
Maybe it’s all the estrogen he is sucking down with oat milk soy and almond…
He's a unicorn...
and I'm glad to be a subsciber
@@Skabaniskys ❤
I just sent this to my trans kid. The conversation opened my eyes, thanks for helping me understand this struggle with so much clarity.
Stop being naive. Look into it. Genevieve Gluck is a good starting point to see what’s really going on.
@@Mya_watergirl😭
@@courtney_lol point?
@@Mya_water ..girl
If you have a "trans kid", you failed as a parent
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I'mma call em Dread Daddies
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Moses Primm you say? I'm big fans of T1J and FD, I will have to check him out, so thanks for the suggestion (better than the algorithm)! Also, that's just a great name - Dread Daddies. Awesome.
I love Moses Primm he sounds WAY more huskier than he looks lol
I love the comments section, always giving me new black RUclipsrs to check out 🤩😍
Omg wait, Moses Primm runs Hood Cinema???
Had a discourse once with a group of boys (I teach at an all-boys high school). One of them said, "if you are a black man and are anti-racist, but not anti-homophobia, then you're not really opposed to racism". That says a lot about what it would mean if Dave Chapelle, Kevin Hart, etc, weren't black at all. Would they then have a leg to stand on in terms of all these jokes and rhetoric? If you are for human rights, then you are for human rights. You can't choose who those human rights are for. If you have a problem with other people's human rights, then you don't have a problem with any of them. You have an issue with the fact that you do not benefit from either standing.
Intersectionality is an important part of minority issues these days. A good example of the sort of thing you're talking about is how terfs claim to be feminist but ally with open misogynists and fascists. When you start sacrificing other's rights for your own internal bs you quickly find yourself on the side of the oppressor. Hence Dave ending up portrayed positively by right wing news.
😊 then you accept everything dave has said. To not would make you a hypocrite. Accept everybody. 🤗
@@halcyon6098 Thats not how any of this works lol. There's a difference between criticism and bigotry, and a difference between an individual and an entire minority group.
Imagine a Black person telling another Black person that the are not Black. That is the most far left lunatic bigoted thing imaginable.
@@halcyon6098 how incredibly reductive
I've avoided videos on this topic because as a closeted trans person it is extremely upsetting to me. I just want to say I am so glad to see you covering this. It means so much.
Sending love to you. Hopefully one day you can come out safely and do exactly what you need to do with your life 💕
Ditto from an egg.
I was really worried when I saw FD say he was doing a video on it, because I've seen a few people who have had just fucking terrible takes on this whole topic who I had liked in the past & reinforcing the idea that you can't trust the cis. So it's also nice to see a cis person not be trash on this topic, plus looking at it from this perspective as a Black person.
Hey, I just wanna say you rock and it's okay to take it as slow as you need to feel comfortable. :)
Eventually you’ll get out of whatever situation you feel like you need to hide from. Keep ticking my friend
I would just like to say big love to you. I hope you can find a place where you are ready and safe to express yourself soon. But in the meantime you are every bit as valid as any one of us 💖
I think what especially makes Dave's use of his friend's suicide distasteful, at least to me, is that he's doing it in bad faith. He's not coming from a place of understanding the trans community and wanting to call out something he thinks is an issue, and would be an issue in any minority community, he's using it as an excuse to avoid criticism. Pardon the imagery, but it's like he's using her corpse as a shield while attacking her people. And he's not attacking them for specifically what happened to her! He's literally just attacking them for being trans, then saying they can't get mad because his trans friend was harassed by other trans people. It makes me think of how people constantly parrot the "most black men are killed by other black men", or "the real problem is black on black violence" to deflect criticism toward white institutions. Like you said, he's blaming the people hes attacking for their own hardships, while knowing nothing about what's actually going on and what their actual experiences are like. But the fact that he wields his dead friend, who suffered from these systemic issues and would have suffered from the things he's said, even if she remained loyal and defended him, and even if she'd never been harassed for doing so, like a get out of criticism free card, like a tool to escape consequences. Just puts such a bad taste in my mouth.
Also he shows no awareness of the role he played in what happened, how he was the one who put her in the position of having to choose whether or not to defend him or not and thus making herself a target of backlash. Like I won't condone the harassment or say this sort of behaviour isn't an issue in queer circles, but it's a lot easier for Dave, a rich famous comedian, to say some off colour stuff and weather the resulting storm, but if what he says puts a spotlight on one of his friends, and they're forced to make a statement, then that storm might end up hitting them, and chances are their protection from the weather isn't as impervious as his. Because she was trans, and his friend, she would have felt pressured to take a stance, and unfortunately for her there would have been no right answer. I've no doubt that Dave's more conservative fans would have been the ones doing their share of harassment if she hadn't defended him, not to mention how it might have affected their friendship.
He literally cost his friend her life.....
@@susanrichardson631 I'm not going to go quite that far. I do think he shares some culpability in setting that situation up and forcing her into that position, and not considering the potential consequences or his own privilege as a rich comedian who is far less vulnerable than her to angry backlash and has no personal stakes in the conflict himself, but I also think the people who harassed her are responsible for the part they played as well.
@@oMuStiiA you're correct.
@@susanrichardson631 It's actually worse than that. Her family came out and specifically said that the abuse from others from defending dave wasn't why she did it.
He just fabricated the whole thing to go after trans people, after a trans woman defended him...
@@anthonyrowland9072 It's even worse that that. The "abuse" wasn't even real, it was a deliberate cold-blooded lie on his part. She got about a dozen comments of levelheaded criticism from other trans people and that was it.
I’m trans and its always heartwarming to see creators who aren’t part of our community stick up for us, this video is so well made and thoughtful, I REALLY hope the algorithm does its job and spreads this!
It was a joke…. Get over it
Be mad all you want 😂
@@jetnight88 their heart was warmed, they weren't mad
@@jetnight88 a lack of self awareness brings projection
@@jetnight88 not u crying over nothing lol
Dave Chappelle grew up in a very wealthy , very educated family. His father was a college dean. His mother was a professor. He made jokes about prostitutes and crack heads - while that wasn't his experience growing up either. He's currently living in Yellow Springs Ohio, which is a hippie , but very white town. He's in the sticks... but there are like ... worse sticks. He recently blocked building of affordable housing in that town. So that should also tell you the person he was. He got a pass and you're right, probably became the entertainment rather than entertainer. But his early jokes included excuses for SA women based on the fact that they wore revealing clothing. And he got a pass for that. He was a rich kid making jokes about horrible stuff, and always got a pass. But then I guess he got concerned with how he was perceived. So then later, he decided to come back and make non funny jokes about trans people- because it's open season on harrassment of that group. And he figured he'd profit off of that. He profited of derogatory jokes about poor people, women , and now he chose trans people. He's a grown man, he could have picked any topic- he chose punching down. Thanks for digging into his professional past - but ... he made a choice. And he chose money, hate and ignorance.
Yeah as someone who grew up in SW Ohio, Yellow Springs isn't quite the same as everywhere that surrounds it, that still doesn't excuse Chapelle's behavior though, but his environment wasn't quite as reactionary as pretty much anywhere around it would be, which is an especially conservative area, culturally Yellow Springs has more in common with Berkeley CA (and Chapelle blocking affordable housing tracks to that) than say Beavercreek only a few miles away. Its also a college town with a liberal arts college in it - Antioch which actually has a history of left wing radical politics. The dairy farm to the north would host republican presidential candidates, but the town itself had signs that would say "use the left door (of course) ☭" posted on the left door or a building on Antioch's campus.
@@neilworms2clearly most of Ohio doesn’t agree with you including me from Toledo. As we voted in a Republican Senator JD Vance.
@@ldcow3948 Did you even read what I said? I was describing yellow springs not how I vote. I know more about sw Ohio because I grew up there. Someone from Toledo barges in and tells me yellow springs is out of step with how the State's been voting lately and that's fine. I never mentioned me here. Get off on making fun of libs elsewhere dude
The point of wealth is being able to choose your neighbors, and that is so throughout history. Blocking "affordable" housing in an area one worked hard to enter is quite pragmatic because (no matter what race, color, gender or ethnicity) concentrations of poor people inherently include MANY who are poor because they're mentally and/or socially defective and not in good ways.
Poor areas are places to ESCAPE (nearly all non-forced immigration to the US was to escape poverty. I'm white and don't want white trash neighbors but since there is no practical way to filter them the only remaining filter is economic. That keeps the meth heads away so I'm fine with it as a matter of personal survival. Anyone who genuinely wants human garbage for company can have them at will, but those who don't have NO CHOICE but exclusion.
You can't have a good safe quiet hood with low crime unless you use economic filters! It does not happen so why should people who work long and hard to escape the shitbags be forced to share space with them? Poor folks of all backgrounds who remain poor tend to have serious personal defects. If you want them for company that's fine. Others do not and choose their hoods accordingly.
@@neilworms2yeah I’m from Youngstown and I’ve only ever been as far west as Columbus (in Ohio, Ive been to Green Bay Wisconsin and had a layover in Denver when going to Florida)
So I have no idea how Yellow springs is. My perspective of around me is that it’s kinda miserable to live here, but I’ve been lucky to not see much major crime (I was at the Canfield fair when the shooting occurred there)
If dude lived in Youngstown he’d probably get a bit of a pass bc idk how many times I’ve told someone where I’m from and be told something along the lines of “god bless you” or heard that Youngstown is the murder capital of Ohio. I just know there’s major opioid issues around here since I’ve seen that 1st hand.
As a mixed person who's never been a "fan" of Chappelle, I felt like my opinion was one sided. "You never liked his comedy!" Because it always felt borderline punching down and this show solidified it. "Did you watch it?" Yup, illegally to not give him money 🤷🏽♀️ "But did you REALLY LISTEN to it?" Yeah, he didn't understand trans identities but felt his trans friend's death gave him the authority to speak falsely and hurtfully. He's not the good guy here, NOR is he cancelled, he's made millions! You can't be cancelled AND successful 🤷🏽♀️
who cares
It's just projection. Conservatives have been canceling shit for decades. The satanic panic against metal, Dungeons and Dragon, and violent video games. The Dixie chicks being anti war, etc.
@@corneliusrawness projection is a key symptom of stupidity and ignorance.
I don't know how you haven't learned this, but let me baby you through it
"I don't care about this"
Doest not equal
"Nobody cares about this"
More projection than a middle school during the 2000s.
@@corneliusrawness If my friend used my death to mock and belittle ANY aspect of my life and justified their ignorance by saying the community was what killed me, that's killing me again.
I'm not really accepted by the queer community, the Black community, the mixed community, most cis female groups, or even the neurodivergent communities. Doesn't give ANYONE the right to make bigoted and ignorant statements on my behalf about those communities.
@@radicaldradcliffe4201 i asked who cares.. maybe try answering next time if that question triggers you so bad
What frustrates me about comedians like Dave Chappelle is that there is legitimate humor to be made about trans people. My trans friends and family are some of the funniest people I know who regularly make jokes about being trans. Being in community with these people, I know that there's jokes they would be comfortable telling and hearing about themselves. But he clearly isn't willing to hear/tell those kind of jokes. He'd rather double-down on harmful stereotypes and negativity.
I full on paused the video before "The Last 20 minutes", had a smoke, then lit some incense and hit play to find you lighting incense SECONDS LATER, I'm so synced into this video - thank you for another banger of an analysis!
When I saw him do that I deadass lit some nag champa lol
“Just let me live” should never have to be uttered by someone. The pain in their voice is unmistakable and heartbreaking.
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@@cinnamonstar808 how dare someone have empathy
I'm not fully sure what this is in reference to, i haven't finished the video yet, but I agree, especially if they have no control over what's bringing them hate and anger from others.
I just wanted to add an exception to that, in relation to clearly bad people who want to get away with being cruel or vindictive. Not saying you included them, I and others should fully agree.
@@raperepublicanwomentheysee1786 ur name ?????
Would you say the same thing for someone who was a trans speciest
Thank you so, so much for this video. I've gotten into some heated debates with cis friends over this special and it's been so frustrating how no one understands why it was harmful. My #1 question I had when watching it was "does he know black trans people exist????". He so clearly ignored black trans people to suit his narrative and it feels good to finally have this pointed out by someone with a big platform.
Thank you especially for bringing up how fucked up the last 20 minutes were lol. I feel like people totally gloss over the part where Chapelle explicitly says he was able to bond with Daphne because she "didn't pester him about any pronoun BS". He tokenizes her and tolerates her because she didn't challenge his transphobia. She was "one of the good ones", so to speak.
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all he was saying what that daphne was thick skinned. im so sick of people failing to realize the point he made early on in the show: IM GOING TO PUSH THESE JOKES AND TOPICS TO MAKE A POINT.
@@corneliusrawness ur not getting it. White people say that about their black friends who let them say racist shit all the time. If you are a minority every day you have to choose, do I speak my mind and piss everyone off or just go along with things to make them comfortable, and every year you are pressured to be more like her. Compliant, yielding, unbothered. You’re left thinking Hopefully if I’m the trans girl no one is bothered by they’ll be my friend. That’s how cis people want every trans girl to live like. To accept that people will not respect them and often hate them and not let it hurt them.
@@possiblymaybe6711 no you aren't getting it. those initial jokes in the past specials were not cancel-able jokes... you want to take Dave's whole career over those jokes? Stop. And stop equating this to racism. There is no equating the two: another point Dave made. The whole thing is stop going into attack mode as soon as a comedian makes a joke... like they don't open up a dialog as to why that might be harmful no... they bully his friend into killing themselves.
@@heatherlee2967 I see you’re point about “one of the good ones” but Dave Chappell made it clear his problem is with WHITE PEOPLE. And white people who are trans have been able to achieve so much more acceptance than black people as a whole after years of marching, protesting, voting and DYING. He even pointed out the amount of privilege a trans white person has over a black trans person, so he wasn’t forgetting at all the black lgbtq people exist…he was making a point that black people are still oppressed while white trans gain more acceptance.
Dave Chappell spoke honestly about how he felt, maybe he hurt feelings but he spoke the truth and many other peoples truths.
It’s wild man. He actually pulled the whole “I have a black friend” card.
I bet you can’t find one joke that proves for a fact that Dave Chappelle is homophobic
That special somehow managed to be the opposite of intersectionality.
Not really. some lgbt members see it as intersectional, some don’t. People have different opinions on this special. There’s no clear cut consensus
It's always amazing to me that Dave Chappelle is pulling this shit when he himself walked off the set of his own show when he was offended by the jokes made about black people.
whoa my favorite LPer is in the comments here that's awesome
@@joelnelson4228 Wrong that’s not why he walked off the show. He literally said there was a ton of reasons that lead up to him leaving. He said he left mainly cause they were pimping him.
@@joelnelson4228 “people I love tell me I go too far sometimes, maybe I Went too far but I did it” Dave Chappelle 2005.
This is the same interview where y’all chose to run with the narrative that he cancelled his show cause he was “offended” by white people.
As a white 39 yr woman from Texas, I see so many family members who would never laugh at his jokes before, saying how funny he is now. And many younger white people who loved his Chapelle show stuff saying how liberals can't take jokes. It's telling to me, the census of people sticking up for him now. It says he understands their issues and them as well they his audience does. That is to say, he doesn't.
P.S. also,, congrats on the sponsorship with Nebula. I really have been considering them. If I do sign up,I'll use your info. It's super cheap, but I'm super poor, so maybe in January after Xmas bleeds me dry.
And yet he claims he's being canceled
@@namangoy like that even happens to people as rich and famous as him. I'd bet money he'll have another Netflix special in 2 years tops.
@@namangoy He didnt actually claim that.
I actually found more liberals laughing about the special. Even though some consider themselves liberals they still HATE trans people.
That's a really stupid and frankly dishonest thing for heterosexual Black people to say. We aren't Black first because the community has made it clear we aren't. When Wanda Sykes said it's harder to be gay then Black, there is so much truth to it. When you come out, you risk losing your family and community. For pretty everything else, race, religion, national origin, your family is with you in the struggle and marginalization (with the exception of adopted folks and folks being raised by their dominant culture family in mixed raced children).
100% i think the black “community” is very difficult to be part of. If you don’t act a certain way that the community subscribes to (being cis, straight, godfearing, dressing and speaking a certain way ) you’re left on your own. Hence why being a gay black person is so damn difficult.
I'm still unclear where Dave said anyone needed to be "black first", he was comparing how the LGBTQ has made further progress then the black community did. This whole "black first" thing, is being completely misinterpreted.
My oldest brother is gay and he said the exact same thing. My observation on it is that if you're black and gay, or Trans, etc... then it's harder to be gay than black. But I'm not quite sure the same goes for white folks who are homosexual. Again this is my observation, but a lot of them still Tap into that privilege and have the same societal ideologies.
@@anthonygraham8122 That doesn’t make sense. How could that statement even apply to White people? I don’t think anyone is saying it’s hard to be White in America.
And for the record. I haven’t watched the closer. I stopped watching Dave after his last special. I remember when I was younger (in college) my ex hated him because she thought he always portrayed black people (in particular women) in terrible ways. Like he never had white folks as Crack heads or meth heads on his show. I remember my father not liking because he thought his jokes were irresponsible and that he was having conversations not meant to be had in front of white folks. I.E. White people not getting the underlying meaning and just laughing at nigga jokes. (He proved my pops right by the way). So maybe Dave has always been problematic and we just evolved and he didn't. Like. I don't believe in canceling anybody. I don't think it exists. Buy I just chose not to watch it.
I don’t feel too “offended” by his jokes. I get mocked all the time, I have tough enough skin to hear a trans joke. However, I am *terrified* by his joke. This is the shit that swings public opinion across the country. This is the shit that gets even more of my rights taken away every day. The jokes aren’t funny when they are tangibly hurting people, restricting their freedoms, and putting them in danger.
Welcome to Nebula
You're complaining for no freaking reason can you please watch the special.
All my faves creators are working/supporting each other! *audible cheering*
@@grandsome1 fair enough but doyou the special
I watched the special and it was wack all around. It was full of corny and lame jokes. This nigga was ranting half the time instead of telling memorable and funny jokes, the special was easily his worst material yet.
Hell yeah
The poem 'First they came' applies here cause we're all in this together.
Granted there could be some new stanzas added to update it, it was written in 1946 by Martin Niemoller
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
I really like this poem. Remember it from middle school. So important it’s ethos.
I love this poem, read it back in 8th grade, goated
Oh yeah. Let’s get into it 👏🏾
Get into it yuh
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oh my god, the stuff at 56:00 is so good. this actually made me tear up. it's really rare that i hear someone actually get it. it is fucking scary dude. it's so easy to stir up the whole country and make shit so intense. and why, why even take it there?
we don't want to be on the national stage like this.
omg also thanks for the contrapoints link, she's AMAZING. i do think she's struggling w addiction in that video so her affect seems a bit off, but she's brilliant as always.
white trans person here btw, since this is a demographic themed video.
i do want to note that trans people do somewhat change their biological sex. it doesn't change your chromosomes or anything like that, but hormones change you super deeply and intensely, to a point where i think it goes constitute a meaningful part of biological sex.
As A trans person I want to say, Dave's joke about the trans CEO would have been funny, if he had been attacking the CEO part not the trans part. A joke about them being the only ones with the money BECAUSE of their own companies practices, or possibly a joke about how their surgery was paid for by NOT covering employees transition surgery would have been genuinely funny. At least to me.
It really wouldn't be hard for a talented comic to punch up while telling jokes that are about trans people.
@@ldcow3948that's not why we call out ceos. It's because ceos are often selfish and capitalistic
Punching up good. Very complex ethics you got their genius
@@randomnobody9229*there
Thank you for sharing!
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"you can always change your mind because you can"
- Khadija Mbowe
"it is very clear that Dave *_wants_* to be cancelled to use that narrative as a brand"
thank you so much! i thought i was the only one who noticed this.. i was _this_ close to recreating that meme scene from Always Sunny In Philadelphia!!
as someone who likes Dave Chappelle's shows (mostly the older ones) it is so obvious to me why Dave did what he did, and the fact that everyone ignores the obvious makes it so uncanny and surreal to watch people react to it (this refers to both people who defend him as well as people who hold him accountable) almost like none of this is real and it's all some kinda fever dream...
i mean why else do you think most of his jokes are pretty much that "noone dares to say what i say" meme, and "you are not allowed to say anything" followed by getting away with saying everything (when i say "get away with" i am referring to most of his older shows like Sticks And Stones, he has not been cancelled up until now)
"it is very clear that Dave wants to be cancelled to use that narrative as a brand" And the idiots are going to help him to it.
If Dave were to be cancelled, he'd have more reach than ever before.
@@pendejo6466 pretty much this
@@pendejo6466 he wants to be controversial to use it as a brand
@@guyferrari8124 Dave Chappelle? Been in the game for over 35 years, needs controversy to sell seats or his "brand?"
Let's say that was true: how would that make him worse than any other celebrity?
@@pendejo6466 It wasn’t an insult towards him or anything. It was just a theory I had.
Dave said people just assumed he grew up in the hood but he never corrected them because that belief gave him the credibility he felt he needed
Just one of many examples of Dave profiting from racism if you think about it
Just because Dave was groundbreaking in the 2000's and made a profound move walking away from the business for a while doesn't make him some kind of flawless prophet whose every word is the gospel truth.
You’re telling me comedians aren’t modern philosophers who are the only ones in society brave enough to speak the real truth by triggering woketards and getting paid millions per special?
And that’s the gospel truth
When he left the world at large, he took his finger off the pulse of the people, and somehow it found it's way straight up his ass instead.
@@SpoonyBard88 WELL SAID
"Throwing rocks and hiding your hands" is such an incredibly poignant metaphor. Thank you for putting this together; it's an incredible video essay as per usual.
I'm glad that you spoke about this in detail, because I'm a black bisexual man, and I have always gone through this with my sexuality, people telling me to choosing between men and women, and now choosing my queerness and race, I hate this, horrible view of us LGBTQ people in the black community, I hope the trans community can move on from this and keep being themselves and stay safe
well first of all stop using the word community, that's how you show that you're not really a liberal at all and that your hypocritical about your comments since deep down you still view the whole issue in the wrong way.
@@larrote6467 cool word salad, try saying something next time
@@larrote6467 did u not watch the video ur proving my point..u pick out one word which was community?, for what, and what does being liberal have to do with what I'm saying, are u a bot, and how I'm I viewing it in the wrong way😭
@@brian_Austin27 sweety, you didn't say anything wrong. That person is a troll, a bot or both. A trollbot, if you will.
"people telling me to choosing between men and women, and now choosing my queerness and race" And you still made your choices and lived your life, right? If you want others to make feel accepted and respected, you're entitled to neither. To demand so is merely weak and pathetic.
Dave is a suburban kid that used poor blackness to prop up his early career. I didn't know that until recently.
“He only tells half the truth “ is exactly how I felt about it
HE IS A COMEDIAN. not congress.
take a joke
@@cinnamonstar808 just because he's a comedian doesn't mean he's devoid of criticism
take a seat 💺
So much of this channel's content has empathy as a major theme and I really love that.
More empathy than what the trans showed Daphene that's for sure.
Fiq, thank you SO much for listening to us and amplifying our voices! I'm glad to have more voices out there saying what truly needs to be said. I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. Sorry if the ending crushed anyone's soul. I blame Fiq.
It did actually. Literal tears over here 😢. I will blame Fiq as suggested.
it was so great to hear your perspective on this! i love your avi:)
I really appreciate that shared the perspective of someone who grew up in the 90s, that you laughed at his jokes, but still were able to explain why they were problematic. And also I appreciate how you took him seriously about his feelings about black vs. queer oppression, and still pointed out how he was being hypocritical and how he never once mentioned the people who are both. "Can't we do both things?"
This dude is one the most highly intelligent people I've seen talk.
It's like when you get a class in college with that one teacher who is just absolutely amazing at what they do, except it's on youtube for hundreds of thousands of people.
If you like this kind of intelligent, empathetic, off the cuff boundary breaking commentary, I’d highly recommend a channel called Beau of the Fifth Column.
Naw this was a bit off. Chappelle wasnt soft on his white audience or close to doing buffoonery in his early days. He was being a little dishonest here with cherry picked video clips.
I genuinely feel bad for you if THIS dude is one of the most “highly intelligent” people you’ve seen talk. What the fuck lmao.
@@janga75 honestly anything you say to a white audience isn’t harsh enough
ur glazing rn bro stop riding so hard it must be all the way in
This really helped me re-evaluate how I approached the closer. I really bought into the Daphne thing because the details surrounding the suicide really struck a chord, the harassment Daphne received wasn't ok, but neither was what dave chappelle did, and the weaponization of that utter tragedy, to use against the trans community reminds me of my conservative family members trying to use black on black violence and crime rates to deflect from police brutality. It's disgusting, and I'm glad you're bringing this to light.
The worst thing is, Daphne's trans friends have said her and Chappelle didn't speak for month before her death, as their relationship was damage for his jokes on trans people, some of Daphne's friends even go as far as to say it might have been Chappelle's comments themselves what brought her to the edge (althogh that is speculation), but even if that last part was not the case, Chappelle never got in touch with Daphne'r family nor he said anything before he started using her as a justification of his opinions.
He didn't go to her funeral despite invitation. He didn't even know she had a child.
The man wasn't a good friend to Daphne. And he doesn't deserve of speak of her while hustling which is all the more disgusting.
On top of the other two replies I want to point out that the entire story was also fact checked by many people, and the abuse that it is claimed happened, her being attacked by trans people on twitter, didn't actually happen. You can literally go look at her twitter and see for yourself. Dave made it the fuck up. People have spoken to her friends and family about it, Dave literally made it all up to justify his bigotry, it's fucking depressing.
Dave did nothing, he made a joke - a factual one.
@@dumbdumber7203 name checks out
I got really into the anti woke stuff over the course of COVID. I found your content recently and you've given me a lot of perspective on why I started to drift into the "anti woke right". I really enjoy your perspective and will continue to watch and learn. Thank you.
This is so awesome to read. You got this man!
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
The COVID era broke a lot of people's brains. The "anti-woke right" is a VERY dangerous place to be though. It is, inarguably, the path to fascism, hardcore racism, authoritarianism, HATE, anti-intellectualism, anti-democracy, ANTI-EQUALITY, anti-science, ANTI-REALITY... it's ultimate goal is obviously aligned with white supremacy and the interests of the ruling elite (the billionaire/corporate CEO/big bankster/dark money donor class) which is, at the risk sounding conspiratorial, the rich old white men seated in the smoke-filled back room at the members-only club... at the local & state level they are the "good ol' boys club", the patriarchs and scions of your town's country club, the founders and legacies of the fraternities, they don't need to be in "secret societies", just the local Chamber of Commerce, Rotary Club, Field Club, the laity of your local WASP churches, the the ones who decide who will get to be the mayor and the sheriff, the DA, the chief of police and the judge, who's on the city council and who's in the state houses, who will get the contracts to build the new roads and parks and schools, and who will develop what lands to build new neighborhoods and commercial districts. At the national and international levels, they are the BIG DARK MONEY DONORS, the billionaires. They are, have always been, rich old white men. No one gives up their power willingly, their primary concern is how up maintain their systems of power and control and exploitation of the working classes for the benefit of them, the capitol-owning class. There is nothing new under the sun. The best way, through the centuries, the ruling class has maintained it's power and furthered it's interests is to set the various factions of the working and under-classes AGAINST EACH OTHER, maintaining focus of grievance of one group of workers against another group of workers obscures the TRUE SOURCE OF EXPLOITATION: THE CAPITOL OWNING RULING CLASS (today's billionaire/corporate/dark money PAC donor class)... if you can convince the overworked underpaid worker struggling to keep his head above water that the source of his pain and exploitation is the poor immigrant worker (who has literally ZERO power in this equation) AND *NOT* THE BILLIONAIRE FACTORY OWNER AND MULTI-MULTI-MILLIONAIRE CEO, then that's perfect, it let's them off the hook, and Fox "News" will go further and convince working class people that billionaires paying their fair share in taxes is actually "wealth redistribution" and "socialist/communist" and, hilariously, "punishing success"... they'll also convince working people that they DON'T DESERVE things like HEALTHCARE, A LIVING WAGE, PAID TIME OFF, FAMILY LEAVE, FREE HIGHER EDUCATION, CLEAN AIR TO BREATH AND CLEAN WATER TO DRINK, QUALITY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WORKERS RIGHTS, A LIVING WAGE, A DIGNIFIED RETIREMENT, ENOUGH NUTRITIOUS FOOD TO EAT, EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION AND SUBSIDIZED CHILDCARE FOR WORKING PATENTS, POLICE THAT DON'T BRUTALIZE AND MURDER UNARMED CITIZENS WITH ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY, ETC ETC ETC... ALL THINGS THAT WORKERS IN LITERALLY EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY HAVE, WITHOUT QUESTION, NOT AS A MATTER OF "LEFT OR RIGHT POLITICS" BUT AS A MATTER OF COMMON HUMAN RIGHTS FOR WORKING PEOPLE... so they set whites against blacks and browns, born citizens against immigrants, straights against LGBTQ, Christians against Muslims, religious against non-religious, and especially LEFT AGAINST RIGHT... when most people on the Left are only concerned THAT EVERYONE BE TREATED EQUALLY, IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE STATED IDEALS OF AMERICA... in other words... It's a technique that's LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD .. SO OLD THAT THE ROMAN LEGIONS PERFECTED IT... IT'S CALLED SIMPLY "DIVIDE & CONQUER"!
See, while they set each group of America's middle and working classes AGAINST EACH OTHER using ridiculous and nonsensical "CULTURE WAR ISSUES" (like what kind of SHOES M&M'S WEAR... DR SEUSS GOING "WOKE"... MR POTATOES... THE IMAGINARY "WAR ON CHRISTMAS"... THE FAKE NARRATIVE THAT "DEMS ARE COMING FOR OUR GAS STOVES!"😂 AND "DEMS ARE BANNING HAMBURGERS!"😂.. AND "DEMS ARE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS!!!"(they've been falling for that one for LITERALLY THE LAST FIFTY YEARS, much to the delight of gun manufacturers)... fake claims that "CRT is being taught to little children... DISGUSTING LIES about Dems "grooming children" and LGBTQ "grooming children" and LIBRARIANS "grooming children"... BANNING BOOKS(!!!)... just ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER... NOW EVERYTHING IS "WOKE".. "WOKE BANKS"😂😂😂 and "WOKE CORPORATIONS"😂😂😂 unhinged people SHOOTING CASES OF BUDWEISER BC THEY DARED TO HAVE A TRANS PERSON IN A COMMERCIAL... it's all just MORE DIVIDE & CONQUER... meanwhile, all they're doing behind the scenes is TAX CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES & CORPORATIONS, DESTROYING THE MIDDLE CLASS, EXPLOITING AMERICAN WORKING FAMILIES, DESTROYING LABOR UNIONS, ROLLING BACK CHILD LABOR LAWS(!!!), AND BURNING & DESTROYING WHAT IS LITERALLY THE ONLY HABITABLE PLANET IN THE ENTIRE KNOWN UNIVERSE, ALL FOR THE BENEFIT OF A TINY NUMBER OF ALREADY DISGUSTINGLY WEALTHY OLD WHITE MEN, SO THEY CAN ADD A FEW MORE NUMBERS TO SOME DIGITAL LEDGER ON A BANK SERVER SOMEWHERE, MONEY THEY WILL NEVER EVEN, CAN NEVER EVEN, SPEND.. JUST MORE HOARDED WEALTH & RESOURCES AT THE EXPENSE OF, AND TO THE DETRIMENT OF, AMERICAN WORKING FAMILIES AND THE ENTIRE REST OF THE PLANET.
THINK ABOUT THIS:
THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF "WOKE" = "AWARENESS OF, AND CONCERN WITH, ISSUES OF SOCIAL AND RACIAL JUSTICE"
THAT'S IT! THAT'S ALL! NO *WONDER* CONSERVATIVES *HATE* IT SO MUCH!
Don't be on the wrong side of this stuff, the lines of morality and right/wrong couldn't be any clearer... One side is for HATE and INEQUALITY... the other side is for LOVE/COMPASSION AND EQUALITY FOR ALL.
Stay open minded and empathetic. Its the only thing keeping Humanity from sliding into the void.
Great to see! I hope you find your way and find it fulfilling.
I’m White. This video made me uncomfortable. I’m realizing some uncomfortable truths about myself because of your channel. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to work on fixing them. Thank you.
Same here, I just wish I could find more channel like this among the sea of white boys explaining hip hop badly 🤦🏽♀️😭
@@CMStrawbridgeI’ve recently started watching Foreign Man In a Foreign Land’s videos, and they’re just… 👌
@@origrammarLove that guy im a queer white guy and i think the way he talks about things in terms of queerness is really respectful but also in terms of race has helped me realize my own inherent biases
The most frustrating part about Dave Chapelle is that I can actually kind of see the point he thinks he's trying to make. There are a lot of white people within the queer community that use their whiteness as a shield when called out for racist behaviors. The problem is that Chapelle seems to be under the impression that queerness and blackness are somehow mutually exclusive.
Edit: Kevin Hart was not treated 'unfairly' though. He 'joked' about threatening to beat his son up if he came out as gay. That deserves some level of consequence regardless of the age of the post.
The comment directly above this is written by a black trans girl. Dave is funny but he is also very narrow minded
@@ramcycastillo8345 pretty sure he nearly stated outright, or at least heavily implied, that transness was made up by white peoples to do the thing you just described.
@@ramcycastillo8345 he makes that point, yes, but that’s not the summation of his whole special.
@@ramcycastillo8345 Yeah, except no he wasn't, because he blatantly dismisses pretty much any black trans woman as a way to validate his transphobia.
@@ramcycastillo8345 He literally compared being trans to the woman equivalent of blackface and openly announced he was Team TERF. He also claimed trans women had beet juice in their vaginas, and basically misgendered trans men by implying everyone with a 'natural' vagina was a woman.
Rich people wanna be rich and infallible, then cry cancellation when they get ratiod for having a shit take. It's weird to me that people feel the need to come to their aid like they're actually being harmed. I'm just really disappointed cause Chappelle is one of my fav comedians, but someone with such a large voice using it to harm/exclude people (mainly black LGBT+ people) the same way that white supremacists have used to justify hurting us is very disheartening.
"...someone with such a large voice using it to harm/exclude people (mainly black LGBT+ people)." He advocated neither the harm nor the exclusion of trans.
Its funny and sad how just a few years ago, when the Netflix specials were first announced, many of these same cishet black people considered Dave a lame or sell out or anti black, pointed out that his standup was never for black audiences and many were reconsidering the skits on the show. HOWEVER, the second they saw that lgbtqia+ were getting offended by some of his jokes they started martyring him
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The whole thing is, he’s a comedian man. There are dozens of comedians out there with far worse jokes… But that’s the thing. They’re jokes. I hate the term TERF. It’s so fucking stupid… I don’t understand why everyone is suddenly so offended. This is the man who created Clayton Bigsby… It’s just ridiculous.
People can be complex in terms of thoughts and actions. Is it hard to believe that those people can do both?
“Cishet”
That tells me everything I need to know about this group.
@ᴄᴏᴜʀᴛɴᴇʏ ᴡʜɪᴛᴍᴏʀᴇ Dave makes fun of everyone and all stereotypes. Nobody is safe from jokes
As a white queer person, I 100,000% have noticed the kind of rampant racism in our own community and even with all of that I believe that things are getting so much better
But that's the thing through. It's Racism. It's not about being trans or queer. That's the problem I have with this whole video. Dave isn't talking about racism in his special. He's talking about the entire trans community.
When the video got to the breakdown of the Dave Chappelle special, I was shocked by how few of the "jokes" were actual jokes at all. So many of them were just Dave saying his options about Terfs or Gender and then waiting for the audience to laugh. At that point it's less like a comedy show and more like a political rally. Great video essay btw
you must really hate leftist comedy then.
@@mrmanju6989 It's not comedy if there are no jokes being told. Chappelle goes on stage to complain for two hours and people call it comedy. Not to mention he has a disturbed cult fan base treating him like a prophetic god.
@@mrmanju6989 by that logic they'd hate the boondocks too. I doubt that.
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@@aj8331 George Carlin.
This was amazing. Also were you making a reference to 'its Tuesday Don't worry about it?' when you said 'it's Tuesday if you get the reference'
Yep
@@FDSignifire !!!!!!!!!!! :D
Dang I thought it was a reference to Street Fighter the movie.
@@RBNinja same, lmao.
Cool seeing you here. Love your videos :).
So, I'm really glad to see you standing up for black trans people, and this is mostly an excellent video, but your section on explaining sex, gender and sexuality isn't just simplified (totally understandable, you can write entire books on this stuff, there really isn't a five-minute summary) but a couple of things there are just wrong. Like the chromosomes thing. Not just misspeaking about the makeup (XY is typical male, not YY), but the idea that you get assigned a sex because of your chromosomes. Most people's chromosomes have never been tested, and every now and then people get surprised when something else means they need to actually look at them. Not often, the body parts and the chromosomes line up in the huge majority of cases, but the actual process is that the doctor just looks at the baby's junk and makes the call. Which, of course, sets up another batch of problems when things don't look like they're "supposed" to, and doctors get it into their heads to make the body fit the boxes. But that's its own issue deserving its own discussion, especially one led by the intersex people directly affected by it.
And yeah, trans people are acutely aware of what they can and cannot change about their bodies, both in a "theoretically possible" sense and in terms of resources and social support, but both those circles tend to be a lot bigger than your average person thinks. And there are about five different definitions of "biological sex" depending on the kind of biology you're doing. Some of these change with various transition treatments. Some don't. Some change to a state that is neither "male" nor "female". But in the everyday social context, we don't usually do very much biology to strangers, and it's weird that people get so hung up on mine and my friends'.
Anyway, thanks again for the huge show of support and I don't want this to diminish a well-constructed and well-performed piece that is first and foremost about the culture, and very much on the ball with that. Sorry for the wall of text.
You didn't need to apologize. You made your point concisely, and it was appreciated. F.D. Signifier even liked it!
"But in the everyday social context, we don't usually do very much biology to strangers" we are controlled by our brains, our dna, and our biology. freewill isn't an illusion, but the idea that you "control" everything you do, is.
@@BigHotSauceBoss69 eh, i feel like you're leaving out the social -- and sometimes political -- aspects of one's upbringing that directly affects their day to day lives and interaction with others, often times far more observable and more influential than the biological aspects.
just ask any neurodivergent people, particularly autistic and/or ADHD people, about "masking". their biology dictates how they're supposed to operate and function, yet due to social aspects they're forced to "tone it down" for various aspects: from avoiding being targets of bullying to even employment.
ask any person who deals with excruciating period pains about them being pressured into keeping quiet about it by their environment, to the point many have gotten so accustomed to it that when serious problems arise regarding their reproductive organs they'd get very late diagnosis because they can't distinguish it from their usual period pain.
there's a lot more examples, especially when it comes to groups that have historically been oppressed and/or have their freedom and rights incredibly limited, but those two are some easy examples i can think of right now.
yeah, the thought that we can control everything we do may be sort of an illusion. but more than biology, sociology seems to play a bigger part.
ETA bc i forgot, lol: i believe that's why OP said "we don't do much biology to strangers". we don't really give the elderly our seats in public transport due to biology -- a lot of elderly people can be as healthy and have as much stamina as you do. we do it because society taught us it's what we're supposed to do. and it's a nice example, but also yet another where social aspects affect daily interactions more than biology does.
@@RK-em6fo Yeah, but only after I posted it, and it felt like a ramble at the time. That, or it's just my style to apologise too much!
I don't think people are "so hung up on it" I think people have unique experiences based on they biological make up from birth that informed they identity ... Trans people get to be uniqly identify and so do female ... It's a unique experience that has a label...
I was ready to come to Dave's defense but damn really opened up my eyes on trans issues.
Love that.
We love that. If you want to learn more, I could recommend a few queer and poc creators, but off the top of my head, CJ for K, Kat Blaque, Alexander Avila are all break
Also Princess Weekes is excellent.
My man's took this woman's story and made himself a protagonist in it.
Thank you! He made it about him.
Great video!! The thing that drives me absolutely NUTS about this situation as a fan of Dave's is that he made his whole career off making jokes about sensitive social issues so like... he *should* be able to get funny material out of this. Instead, he just decided to go on a badly misinformed transphobic rant and call it part of the act. Sad to see such a legendary comedian go down this path.
Really makes Dave a hypocrite since he literally stopped performing for years because he felt like people were laughing at him and not with him
Proceeds to make fun of trans people with little social commentary
@@radicaldradcliffe4201 making fun of trans people is litteraly social commentary...he's a black man.. nobody Can beat him in sufferings contest...and everything he said was fact and Logic instead of admitting that people will just cry about it...but you can't fight the facts...
THIS. He was never like this early in his career but somewhere along the way started making political stances with his rants? Like he has nothing to do with JK Rowling.
@@fideletamo4292 did you watch the fuckin' video
@@fideletamo4292 uh...yes. BLACK trans women or hell Black women in general can outdo him in that area. But since he's never been involved with one in a long time...
I am a white man and at times what you say makes me uncomfortable, but it is good to be able to listen your logical and well thought out opinions. I think listening to other people's truth is always uncomfortable. So I appreciate what you are doing. I am trying to educate myself thank you for your content.
Always keep trying. Always 👍🏾
I admire you for your quest to educate yourself, but I can't help but contest what you said about "other people's truth". There's no such thing. A jar of marbles either has a even or odd number inside, and saying it's odd without evidence... maybe you're actually right, but that is definitionally irrational. And saying it's your truth that the number inside is negative... that's no truth at all. It's belief. An unjustified one, at that.
@@tempestive1 I understand "personal truth" more in a figurative sense, rather than a literal one. It's about what someone experiences to be true, how their reality is confirmed by their circumstances, upbringing, etc. The jar allegory is very strict and allows for no ambiguity, but social dynamics are rarely that definite. Everyone can agree if they know the number of the marbles, that it's odd or even. But if we examine the jar further and ask, why it has that exact number of marbles or if it should be more or less, etc. especially when everyone is involved in the filling of that jar, the answers will be wildly different and everybody would have some legitimate reason to assume that their understanding of the jar is true. Therefore each one has a personal truth, but the objective truth may never be found if these "truths" aren't compared and controlled for blind spots, misconceptions, etc.
i live less than an hour away from where chapelle lives, and i went to that town for an amazing pride parade. the town where he lives is actually very progressive compared to the surrounding town. the entire town and all the shops participate in pride each year -- except the chapelle store. this year the drag show was literally across the street from his store. i very much enjoyed the irony of that.
When you joke about stereotypes, the right thing to do is to ridicule the stereotypes instead of the people based on those stereotypes alone. It should be about "this stereotype is just stupid" instead of "these people are stupid because of this stereotype". Dave Chappelle did this brilliantly when it comes to race (but excluding LGBTQ one) and general politics. Sadly, when it comes to gay jokes, Dave looked like he was trying REALLY HARD negotiating with the gay audience that "hey, these jokes are funny. You should be able to take it. Don't be a snowflake."
The problem is, how can someone laugh on jokes that directly ridiculing on their being? Certainly Dave's gay jokes aren't about laughing with gay people. But instead laughing with cis straight people TOWARDS LGBTQ people. In the end, if you reverse logic Dave Chappelle's jokes you will see he now has ironically perpetuated all the stereotypes, norms and oppreasive culture that he satirically criticized against in the past.
Just sit down and think thoroughly first, Mr. Chappelle. Don't speak things you don't know about.
Dave left his show because he felt like people started to laugh at him and not with him but is somehow having a hard time understanding why another group of people might have felt that same way about his jokes. A dude who was so conscious of the responsibility of his jokes is now being an edgelord about it nstead of the irreverent comedian that is able to handle criticism in a clever way.
@@PaintedHoundie exactly
Who decides when someone jokes are just jokes or against your being? And who Said a joke that hurt my feelings Can only be against me ?
Dave jokes are based on truth and facts...the fact that you find his jokes offensive doesn't mean he is against you...that was the point Dave was making...
@@fideletamo4292 did you even read the comment you're replying to?
@@fideletamo4292 not exactly based on facts though. Subjective fact that is experience? maybe. But that's not an objective truth, right? Especially when he talked about gender.
Moreover, he maybe don't have any ill feeling but it means nothing if it perpetuates stereotypes. And stereotypes aren't always true, if not at all, because it's based on ignorant perspective that's disseminated socially mouth-to-mouth.
My favorite thing is how Chappelle says Twitter "isn't a real place", and then goes onto agree with the insanely transphobic things that JK Rowling said on Twitter... So I guess Twitter is only a real place when Chappelle agrees with them XD
As a cisgender Blackman who enjoyed Daves special ive been trying to educate myself about the community. This is not my first or last stop but it did help me re think my position as you are the only cisgender Blackman like myself to speak on it.
Why are you writing black man as one word. Like mailman
@@Skullkidjynx why are you correcting spelling on the RUclips comments page?
@@schrire39 idk it seems intentional like not a spelling thing.
all you proved with your comment is that you're little different from those you complain about. Irt doesn't matter that you say "positive things" about x group oif people your mentality is still wrong.
That’s awesome man I’m glad your taking the time to educate yourself! It’s a lot of work but it’s worth it. So thank you for doing that, truly!
Dave left his show because he saw that his jokes were being received by the wrong audience and then now he makes jokes for that audience