Iran: The Shah's "White Revolution"
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
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It's tragic how such noble intentions can lead to such ruination. A great tale of warning.
Yeah, it is really quite sad.
How noble to shove another continent's values on a populace that had their own attempt at self-governance stolen by the very people who support the dictator who is now attempting to "modernize" the country.
It was awful what the shah did.
Fascinating case study on how incrementalism is the key to change, positive or negative, without a kind of chaos
Like the Fabians you mean? Problem with gradual change is the old boiling the frog analogy. Feels like incremental changes have led us to Orwellian laws about thought crimes, whereas if these things came about suddenly they'd not have stood a chance of sticking.
...Which does rather back up your point, of course.
@@Tom_Hadler incrementalism is simply a tool against chaos, whether it's used for good or bad is another issue.
@@Kydino incrementalism can definitely lead to chaos, it lead us here
@@sifins1579we don’t live in chaos though
> giving the vote to women
Big mistake
And it was a couple of those middle class Iranian students who were stuck in the US in '79, that taught me disco dancing. Let me tell you, right here, right now; those fellahs had some serious, serious moves.
I am embarrassed to say that as an Iranian I didn't know the fine details of the White Revolution (beyond what we were thought in school)
I live in Thailand which is a monarchy and is only now making attempts to become a democracy, although it has failed thus far. When I moved here in 2005 coming from a standard Liberal/Progressive background in the United States and I pitied the Thais as they had to suffer the indignity of being ruled by a king. The Thais truly loved the old king before he died but I assumed that's because they were brainwashed through propaganda they experience since birth.
Flash forward to 2020 and witness the pitiful state of the US, failing to absolute pieces. There is no future in the current system, we can't live like this. Americans are in constant fear of the next election and what the new people will inflict upon us if our side loses the vote.
Trump is far from perfect but I would much prefer he stay in office 40 years than our current horrible democracy. The democracy has been so toxic it's basically killing the country at this point. I don't think America survives another 50 years in this chaos.
This may be a reflection point for the West and I think we need to consider other countries like Iran in how we could be governed in the future.
Hairy Pixels read Han Hermann-Hoppe
Elective democracies lost the feedback system between voters and politicans. There is no point in voting if the laws are made by corperations or other organisations.
@@Sunlight91 So true. It's just so corrupt and corrosive now it's down right dangerous. I would literally take a king if one man showed the strength to rise up and lead the people. I'm beginning to believe the need to be ruled lives deep down in the hearts of men.
@@dr94279 I just wrote a long reply to you but YT censored it! Thanks, Jayant Bhandari cited Han Hermann-Hoppe and I agree with Jayant 100% so Hermann must be on to something .
I've been reading about Thailand's monarchy for the last few days, and it's interesting that the previous king was one of the only constitutional monarchs to directly intervene in politics in the last couple decades. Unfortunately for Thailand, from what I've read (granted, very little, and from Wikipedia) the new king is pretty degenerate, who is on his 4th wife and also seems to have taken a concubine. And the way that lese' majeste laws are used in an almost totalitarian legal system to silence any dissent, I can't see the monarchy remaining a popular institution. It has all the signs of a failing institution being propped up by force, without any vitality of it's own. And this is ultimately the problem with a constitutional monarchy, whoever occupies the throne becomes a figurehead for whatever regime lets him sit on the throne, with nothing more than ceremonial duties to attend to, which inevitably leads to lassitude and degeneracy. I suppose it is a fortunate circumstance that the regime in charge of Thailand is conservative, but who is to say that it will last without strong leadership to rally the people behind a common vision?
“I want to help you and elevate your standard of living!”
Peasants: no
Everything has its price, they didn't want to pay that price. Like now, we don't want to accept certain things because it goes against what we believe whether we know it or not.
At what cost ? everything
Long live The Great King of Iran Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi
👏👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹💚💚🤍🌞🦁🤍❤️❤️👑👑👑👑👑👑👑👑👑👑👑
Learned something new today. Fantastic video!
That was fascinating, thank you for making this.
AA mugs are okay but you need a butter dish.
I'd get one of those too.
That he doesn't have a cigar ash tray is baffling.
He needs to sell biscuits, but in two-packs, of course.
Interesting as always!
If the road to hell is paved with good intentions, where does the road that is paved with bad intentions lead?
burty basset also to hell 😂
The same place. Only it's a little shorter.
If the profit motive is a "bad intention" as some people like to argue, then it may lead to paradise.
@@albertross18 @The Academic Agent Ah, so we're all going to hell, but the suckers paving their roads with good intentions are just inefficient socialists. Message received. Capitalism ho!
Where we're going, we don't need roads.
This is quite tragic really. Thanks for this.
Wow, I didn't know you did this level of quality (mostly only encountered you on Rose of Dawn's streams). Damn, another youtube-find with a back catalogue that will take me quite some time to go through ;-)
But to the video itself: I don't know if the Shah was influenced by the view of "the King with the people against the aristocracy". This was a theme that came up again and again already in school for me (mostly about the history of Sweden, and maybe a bit wrt Russia, I see an interesting comment about Alexander II - though this particular trope is maybe not applicable there).
I haven't really read history in a few decades now, so I don't know if people today are familiar with this - but it is a very common romantic monarcistic view; heck you can even apply it to Robin Hood if you want.
But what a disastrous implementation! Where was the "market research"? How did the Shah not have a "Peggy Noonan" to help him deliver the vision? How didn't he/they see that you can't implement liberalism through force?
I find the part about emancipation of women particularly interesting, not because it was uncommon for the time or region, but because he couldn't sell it.
I haven't looked lately, but isn't even the theocratic Iran remarkable for the level of female participation in politics (compared to say Iraq or Palestine or Egypt)? This to me signals either that this White Revolution *did* have some impact, and/or that there actually was a fertile ground for expanding the public role of women in Iran.
Soleimani was the last nationalist. The ayatollah is just an actor.
Apparently the ayatollah studied Islam...in Scotland! What?!!!! Not suspicious at all!
The ayatollah is more like Trotsky than a religious cleric. He's an internationalist.
@@mikespearwood3914 Iranian parliament is a pyramid with 33 windows.
As one of the scions of the Iranian diaspora, it is always a pleasure to hear perspectives of her history.
Great deep analysis
Progress by decree, it always works right?
Hello Academic Agent.
weird flex
Chad shah vs virgin mullah
When to Dutch School in the Caribbean had to read Kadder Abdollah's Novels, an Iranian born Dutch Writer, who had to fled Iran when the Mullahs started persecuting the academics and socialists. his novels always play out in a remote rural village very traditional and religious, then The Shah men come and force Modernization on the peasantry, some like it and go along seeing how their lives become easier and they now are getting an education and better jobs and western entertainment but the most religious see it as "Western corruption" there is a period of State Persecution and oppression but after The Shah Fleds The Mullah takeover and now they are the ones doing the persecution and oppression. In one of his books there is a scene were young men dressed up like "Cuban Revolutionaries" with Long hair and bears are arrested and publicly humiliated by having their hair cut off and their bears trimmed to a "Islamic Standard"
Wow, all this seemed like a massive miscalculation. The Shah thought simply copying the Western model would work, without taking into consideration that the success of the Europeans were, in large part, attributed to their environment. Having to live through winters forced the Europeans to become more industrious, and fertile lands allowed the flexibility for Europeans to live sedentary lifestyles. Iran had neither of these, which seems to have played a significant role in the Shah's failure to modernize. You could also attribute it to religious dogma, that would be correct, however I think that more secure conditions allow people to loosen up and tolerate structural changes, similar to Christian reforms. Islam is still so influential and nefarious because it preys on the vulnerabilities of others.
You forgot how European people back then were fighting for more freedom which in fact led to industrialization that Shah didn't think of.
@Dawn Razor yeah, European people back in the past have fought for freedom from the government.
Iran definitely has winters.
I just watched the previous video, what happened to your audio man?
I never knew Steve Martin was originally from a nomadic tribe in Iran. The Hollywood big wigs must have told him the moustache wouldn't fly in America though.
11:22 I have never heard of "make end's meat", but it sounds delicious.
It’s near John O Groats
A wonderfully interesting video, with details clearly explained. Thank you.
I was briefly in Iran - Tehran in 1978. Interesting and turbulent times, so traveled through quickly. There definitely was an undercurrent of anti-female and anti western sentiment.
Whatever the faults of the Shah (and I understand there were many), the suppression of Iranian women under the subsequent rule of the mullahs, was and is appalling.
11:38 He was gonna call them plebes.
I suppose this is a perfect case for Machiavelli. Ideals mean little when lacking realistic vision. Be it warning for all who tend to believe what they wish to be true.
There is the 'intent of the policy', the 'letter of the policy' and the 'result of the policy' and never the thrice shall meet.
Phil Leotardo looks good in uniform I must say
Why are you doing a video on Phil Leotardo?
20 years in the can, just so you know
@@criticalmass527 Now go get your shine box
So they do exist... the tragic heroes I have seen on stage.
Islam bringing down a civilization !
This is not Islam
I used to have a whole sets of corner stamps from Iran with this guys face on it. Someone stole them all. Along with a bunch of sheets from 1949 China. I'll bet they ended up in a dumpster. Unique items easy to identify. They never showed up anywhere I looked.
I remember Neda. The Bill of Rights is a good measure of government.
Well it wasn't one line of kings going back to 678 BC but I guess I get your point.
Wow, all we were taught about was SAVAK and that sort of thing...
This is a lesson on not only formulating a message, but also how the message is delivered in relation to noble intent. The Shah got it wrong on the 'how' part. The Emirates have been successful at this.
So, @academicagent how could he have done it better?
Have you ever heard the tragedy of shah pahlavi the good?
That outro made me say "away with you beggar!"
A subject Mayhar Tousi would no doubt have thoughts upon.
In Iran today the Shah's reputation is by most apparent measures very different to 1979, and heir looking more promising than more decades as a poor islamic calphate.
Iran is mostly twelver...
@Yusef 13 Even if, the government is still run by Twelvers. So any claims of a caliphate are ridiculous.
I like Mayhar Tousi but I also thinks he’s on the Tory payroll
Can someone explain how a large portion of the Iranian population can be peasant farmers yet also migratory tribesman. Seems a bit contradictory.
Yes, it was around 25% nomadic tribesmen and maybe 40% peasants.
Manning Johnson - Color, Communism And Common Sense
Based
Probably the shah should have used more modest reforms like Sultan Qaboos did in Oman.
Anything that allows women to vote is a bad move in the long term.
Indeed. It is an inevitable disaster to so called “emancipate” them. It goes against evolutionary biology. They are evolved to be specialized for domestic spaces. A society built around rejection of nature, is doomed to fail.
These “liberal reform” types tend not to live in pragmatic reality. They don’t let little things like biology get in their way 😣
They also don’t seem to understand that if things have been done a certain way for literally centuries, maybe there’s a good reason for it. And that radical overnight change is more likely to lead to disaster than improvement.
I don’t know anything about Iranian agriculture, but as soon as the video got to the part about changing the nomadic agriculture, I cringed inside. I suspect there’s probably a very good geological and ecological reason for this.
I can’t see your Ethiopia video
Lukdnuke Narson why it’s still up
The Academic Agent says it age restricted
Somewhat challenges the usual polemic...
I predict Charles does this exact play when hes king...🤦♂️
He doesn’t have the power to
Islam got its way, yet again. Funny how it always turns out the way things have in Iran.
It's always better to be a feudal serf than a debt slave working in a city factory.
Only a feudal serf can answer that one.
theyre both terrible situations
I mean yeah the Shah were western influenced, doesn't change the fact that he was a western puppet, had the Islamic regime been a western puppet then it wouldn't change a think.
The Shah wasn't a western puppet. Remember how he raised oil prices in the 70s that crippled the West economy, or how is strong regional and nationalist ambitions which often led Tehran to disputes with its Western allies. The US saw him as a troublesome ally. So let us dispel the myth that the Shah was a western puppet.
Was he the first person to get woke and go broke?
The amount of land someone owns is not an issue. What matters is how valuable it is and are they paying for it.
Don't redistribute the land, tax it. Use the proceeds to build infrastructure and increase the value of the land and get even more revenue.
Thus you get a Botswana outcome rather than a Zimbabwe outcome.
Say is Botswana a nice place to live?
@@platinumsun4632 yes! relative to most of Africa, even though it is a landlocked desert with a single natural resource (diamonds). The key to making capitalism function and keeping commies at bay is to socialise your land and natural resources via the tax system, use the revenue to build self-funding infrastructure (infrastructure that directly grows tax revenue), not taxing anything else, provide basic healthcare and good social housing and protecting private property via a functioning legal system. It is why Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, Batswana etc... function as well as they do while the west, most of Africa and South America are overrun by commies and failing.
@@aac74 Is it cheap to make Factories in Botswana? Its about 200k USD for SEA. Botswana seems alittle nicer. I don't like humid climates. But Vietnam and Loas are very high up in some areas but I would prefer to live near any factories I open not up in the Highlands.
@@platinumsun4632 Rwanda might be nice too, very fast growing economy, seen as the singapore of Africa, nice and green, lots of rainfall, increasingly English speaking, has joined the commonwealth www.newtimes.co.rw/news/what-drove-rwandas-economic-growth-2019
Land reform is a sure way to disaster.
I consider this more than just noble intentions. It's a real loss of human capital to have the Iranian people stuck like they have been for decades. Ushering in the future should not be exclusively western.
Based Clergy.
Based Shah
Khomeini ruined everything 🤣🤣🤣
“I have no doubt the Shah wanted the best for his people.”
You should doubt. What if his land reform was merely to enhance the industry of his nation, and thus his geopolitical power?
It evidently made no one happy except perhaps the intellectuals. When propaganda is the norm, perhaps we should judge the wielders of coercion by the effects of their policy, and not by their justifications for it?”
The Shah improved the standard of living for his people. Iran was predicted to be a First World Nation in a generation. So, no, I don't doubt that the Shah wanted the best for his people.
The Shah absolutely improved the standard of living for Iran. And this idea that he can't both have good noble intentions AND benefit himself is retarded. The world isn't a zero-sum game.
That is what i thought before. Iran had too much western degeneracy.
Now it has too much islamic degeneracy 😂
Lol giving women voting power😂😂
Woke Shah vs Based Mullahs
I choose Woke Shah
Progress will always be hindered under the fake tales of Gods. I'm one for morality and philosophy which the Bible can bring. But if men cannot look pass text, he cannot look pass himself. "Feudal" is a hilarious word to me, I mean the Irish and the Scottish were the ones building random castles and claiming to be "kings". The Clergy is whom believes himself the most, that's fine tho, I'm okay being labelled the enemy. Always was for some reason, despite the isolation.