I would love to see a vid on higher ground judo Moshe Feldenkrais he must have had a very interesting life ,thanks for all your hard work really enjoy all this history
Hey Chadi what were the rules of catch wrestling back then?! Since, based on what I know, catch wrestling didn't have submission UNTIL the japanese came to the west. Although the irony is that Lancashire up and down fighting ( one of it ancestor) DID have submission. But it was removed originally from catch wrestling due to $EATH from Lancashire up and down fighting.
I feel like a lot of guys back in the day counted sparring matches in their “win” records lol. 2000 “real” fights would take a crazy toll on anyone’s body. Saenchai has 360 Fights in 32 Years and that’s ALOOOOOOT of fights. That’s with minimal grappling and MT / kickboxing rules. 2000 fights with full on grappling, little rules and no time limit...... yyyeah......... 🧐
To be fair Muay Thai is waaay more brutal on the body than grappling. Speaking as a guy who have stepped in to the ring and has grappled for over 20 years, give me 1000 grappling matches any day over 10 Muay Thai bouts. If you tap often, you live to fight another day. There's no tapping when the perfect knee is coming to your face. Anyway, this 2000 matches record is BS for sure.
Yeah but that's be because in muay thai they start out so young. Reason being poverty work 13 hours i the rice farm or fight where you can make more money and be famous if your good. Rickson Gracie was a joke . He said he had a record of 300-0 Come on the Gracie's got best multiple times and covered it up.
interesting... I think in a time without the Internet or even much televisual media, when information flow was slow compared to now, myths could be propagated by taking advantage of that lack of information.
It was the great time for wrestling before WWII. Greatest wrestlers lived during this period. All we have today goes directly to their achievements. Especially Sweden + Finland + Russia+ Estonia for Greco and Great Britain + USA + Japan in Freestyle. They were very powerful and strong without using all these gym machines which we have today. All they had were barbells, plates, clubs, laces, dumbbells, kettlebells and stones. That is it. They were not running for many miles and no cross-fit of course.
@@Chadi Agree. But some desion makers and high-caliber people in Inter Olympic Commetee don't think so. Several years ago they wanted to expell Greco from th Olympics but that did not happened. They still want to cut wrestling from the Olympics in some form. They refused to add Greco into Olympics into Youth Olympic Games, instead they push forward Beach wrestling. Fucking idiots. What if I live somewhere in land-locked area and I never saw sea and never saw beach? Beach wrestling it is just Freestyle but on the sand. They still attacking Greco: they are saying that Greco is not modern because women are not in the competition. Greco is not for women, Greco grips are dangerous for their breast. They really don't understand what they doing and really don't see the legacy behind wrestling.
@@karlievbayram811 The olympics are a disgrace. Wrestling is one of the original olympic sports, if they remove it it's just another sign of the irrelevance of this farce we call modern olympics.
@@xXIceShowerXx yes and people weren't engaging in grip fighting like traditionally in judo people would, and would score with sloppy leg takedowns that wouldn't work in wrestling but in judo it worked since they had a firm grip on the gi
What do you mean he didn't know newaza?!? All judoka's know newaza and he eventually. ended up as a 7th dan. Even Jujutsu the mother art has some newaza in it.
@@vaughanmacegan4012 There is no mother art of jujutsu, there are a few dozen unrelated separate styles of Jujutsu in Japan. And most did not have any newaza.
Maeda left at the turn of the century, judo was really established in Kyoto around that time, the Kyoto branch had masters like Isogai, Oda, Yaichiyohe who really crafted Ne Waza, and sophisticated it, Maeda never learned that, he had decent Ne waza but not the sophisticated one like Oda.
Ordered this guy’s books, but some of his comments don’t seem to fit facts. One reference where he connects a reference that Helio says the same, when I read it, it doesn’t say what he says it says.
He most definitely went up against catch wrestlers that is not in question and he won matches and also "lost" matches - I never thought otherwise and a *lot* of the matches he did compete in were setups, no two ways about it. And, tbh, I really don't have a problem with that you need to eat and you need money to do that. He even lost apparently at a military academy in the USA after a demonstration and the academy decided to go with Wrestling rather than Judo - now that was eye-opening.
I think the story was that the wrestler pinned him, but Maeda, not knowing the wrestling rules, didn't know one can win by pinning. After being pinned, he put the wrestler in a joint lock and the wrestler tapped. Albeit, the wrestler probably let his guard down because he alreadly won by the pin.
Americans and Europeans hate to see their wrestling style getting destroyed by Japanese Judo. Most of the matches won by Maeda apart from the very popular ones have been falsified or erased in history and some matches where americans won against Japanese are preserved and over celebrated in annals to assert their catch wrestling superiority. If that were the case, no one would have embraced Judo and Karate as it has been in the US.
Ad Santel devastated the entire Kodokan, to the point where Kano banned his students from engaging in new confrontations with Santel, such was the superiority of catch over judo. Do better research, instead of just stating clichés.
I am usually disappointed by revisionist history. I have a hard rule, you claim to revise history & then you must present irrefutable & rarefiable evidence at each claim. & I must be able to verify myself. So, I doubt much. I watch for things like ‘all the their evidence is wrong, or I can’t find it.’ then the bar is set high.
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im on break at work and woohoo a new video!!!! good thing break is 15 minutes!
Well I'm super Glad i can make your work experience better
Watching your videos is like getting a college course in judo for free. Thumbs up and thank yoU!
That means the world to me🙏🏻
I like that you are demystifying a lot of the history. Some many people have an almost religious devotion to the gracies and maeda.
Thank you!
As a Catch Wrestler I wanna thank you. We get a lot of shit thrown our way by Judo and BJJ guys and this is something they love to lord over us.
Thank you for listening
As I bjj guy, I love catch. I love trying catch stuff out on my training partners
Awesome stuff! Thanks for tackling it.
Thank you Chad
awesome content! thank you !
Thank you David
Nothing is what it appears to be. Very informative video as always.
I would love to see a vid on higher ground judo Moshe Feldenkrais he must have had a very interesting life ,thanks for all your hard work really enjoy all this history
Thank you Yawara girl I'll add it to the list
@@Chadi Thank you
You should do a full feature documentary on the early origins of BJJ, Chadi
Soon
Hey Chadi what were the rules of catch wrestling back then?! Since, based on what I know, catch wrestling didn't have submission UNTIL the japanese came to the west. Although the irony is that Lancashire up and down fighting ( one of it ancestor) DID have submission. But it was removed originally from catch wrestling due to $EATH from Lancashire up and down fighting.
I feel like a lot of guys back in the day counted sparring matches in their “win” records lol. 2000 “real” fights would take a crazy toll on anyone’s body. Saenchai has 360 Fights in 32 Years and that’s ALOOOOOOT of fights. That’s with minimal grappling and MT / kickboxing rules. 2000 fights with full on grappling, little rules and no time limit...... yyyeah......... 🧐
Folklore was rampant back then
To be fair Muay Thai is waaay more brutal on the body than grappling. Speaking as a guy who have stepped in to the ring and has grappled for over 20 years, give me 1000 grappling matches any day over 10 Muay Thai bouts. If you tap often, you live to fight another day. There's no tapping when the perfect knee is coming to your face. Anyway, this 2000 matches record is BS for sure.
Yeah but that's be because in muay thai they start out so young.
Reason being poverty work 13 hours i the rice farm or fight where you can make more money and be famous if your good.
Rickson Gracie was a joke .
He said he had a record of 300-0
Come on the Gracie's got best multiple times and covered it up.
interesting... I think in a time without the Internet or even much televisual media, when information flow was slow compared to now, myths could be propagated by taking advantage of that lack of information.
Good research :)
Thank you Rashid;)
It was the great time for wrestling before WWII. Greatest wrestlers lived during this period. All we have today goes directly to their achievements. Especially Sweden + Finland + Russia+ Estonia for Greco and Great Britain + USA + Japan in Freestyle. They were very powerful and strong without using all these gym machines which we have today. All they had were barbells, plates, clubs, laces, dumbbells, kettlebells and stones. That is it. They were not running for many miles and no cross-fit of course.
Wrestling is still great
@@Chadi
Agree. But some desion makers and high-caliber people in Inter Olympic Commetee don't think so. Several years ago they wanted to expell Greco from th Olympics but that did not happened. They still want to cut wrestling from the Olympics in some form. They refused to add Greco into Olympics into Youth Olympic Games, instead they push forward Beach wrestling. Fucking idiots. What if I live somewhere in land-locked area and I never saw sea and never saw beach? Beach wrestling it is just Freestyle but on the sand. They still attacking Greco: they are saying that Greco is not modern because women are not in the competition. Greco is not for women, Greco grips are dangerous for their breast. They really don't understand what they doing and really don't see the legacy behind wrestling.
@@karlievbayram811 The olympics are a disgrace. Wrestling is one of the original olympic sports, if they remove it it's just another sign of the irrelevance of this farce we call modern olympics.
Black and white film reel always unintentionally look funny :))
Haha glad it's entertaining:)
Completely off-topic, but I find it a bit amusing that catch wrestlers were called hookers. 😀
Hahahaha
What is your opinion about IBJJF now allowing Heel Hooks for browns and blacks?
I think that's awesome! They listen to the people, hopefully ijf can do the same
@@Chadi Leg grabs, heel hooks, leg locks and slightly more ne-waza time should be implemented
@@xXIceShowerXx first step is leg grabs, maybe after that a straight ankle lock
@@Chadi Did they really ban leg grabs because it might look like wrestling for some people ?
@@xXIceShowerXx yes and people weren't engaging in grip fighting like traditionally in judo people would, and would score with sloppy leg takedowns that wouldn't work in wrestling but in judo it worked since they had a firm grip on the gi
He lost to Jim Esson in 1908 though! At a tournament at Alhambra hall in London! I can get you all the info!
Please do
Would you do the Great Gama of Punjab?
Sure
Connection?
Whats the connection between Kyoto Judo and the Gracies (techniques being so similar)
If Maeda did not know ne waza?
Now a bit confused.
What do you mean he didn't know newaza?!? All judoka's know newaza and he eventually. ended up as a 7th dan. Even Jujutsu the mother art has some newaza in it.
@@vaughanmacegan4012 12:22 because his ne waza was somewhat weak. 12:32 Kyoto branch of judo did not establish their ne waza yet.
@@vaughanmacegan4012 There is no mother art of jujutsu, there are a few dozen unrelated separate styles of Jujutsu in Japan. And most did not have any newaza.
Maeda left at the turn of the century, judo was really established in Kyoto around that time, the Kyoto branch had masters like Isogai, Oda, Yaichiyohe who really crafted Ne Waza, and sophisticated it, Maeda never learned that, he had decent Ne waza but not the sophisticated one like Oda.
Ordered this guy’s books, but some of his comments don’t seem to fit facts. One reference where he connects a reference that Helio says the same, when I read it, it doesn’t say what he says it says.
He most definitely went up against catch wrestlers that is not in question and he won matches and also "lost" matches - I never thought otherwise and a *lot* of the matches he did compete in were setups, no two ways about it. And, tbh, I really don't have a problem with that you need to eat and you need money to do that. He even lost apparently at a military academy in the USA after a demonstration and the academy decided to go with Wrestling rather than Judo - now that was eye-opening.
Exactly! It was the craft of the day
I think the story was that the wrestler pinned him, but Maeda, not knowing the wrestling rules, didn't know one can win by pinning. After being pinned, he put the wrestler in a joint lock and the wrestler tapped. Albeit, the wrestler probably let his guard down because he alreadly won by the pin.
These footage showing his throws, it's Maeda in the video?
Sadakazu Uyenishi
Five stars !! 🖐👺
Thank you:)
Esses vídeos são espetacular
Obrigado
@@Chadi de nada
Well, my research on this guy stops here. I was thinking this guy was the real deal.
Not giving references that can be varified.
While Bruce Lee inspires others I am inspired by Masahiko Kimura.
Same here, that is why judo is my primary art, and I cross train in BJJ under GFteam
Americans and Europeans hate to see their wrestling style getting destroyed by Japanese Judo. Most of the matches won by Maeda apart from the very popular ones have been falsified or erased in history and some matches where americans won against Japanese are preserved and over celebrated in annals to assert their catch wrestling superiority. If that were the case, no one would have embraced Judo and Karate as it has been in the US.
Ad Santel devastated the entire Kodokan, to the point where Kano banned his students from engaging in new confrontations with Santel, such was the superiority of catch over judo. Do better research, instead of just stating clichés.
I am usually disappointed by revisionist history. I have a hard rule, you claim to revise history & then you must present irrefutable & rarefiable evidence at each claim. & I must be able to verify myself. So, I doubt much. I watch for things like ‘all the their evidence is wrong, or I can’t find it.’ then the bar is set high.
French wrestler
Who?
@@Chadi the men from the beginning of the video
I love the history but 2,000-0, no no. Crazy.. Not against serious catch wresters. Not 2,000.
It has been debunked
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