Eight people died & 5 were injured. The police sat outside waiting for the SWAT Unit. They should have been in the building chasing the gunman. They are trained for these situations & failed to act. The damage could have been controlled. The other problem was that information from within the building was not being passed on to police at the scene. There were people within the building who were contacting the Emergency number but their info was not getting to the police at scene. A total breakdown in communication. I realise communication was not what it is today but I there was an enquiry that found that not all callers were believed by the Emergency Operators. Sad, because if the police could have isolated the offender they could have entered the building & saved people's lives. The other problem was waiting for SWAT who were over 15 minutes away. Vitkovic killed 8 people in 17 minutes. It was over before the SWAT team ever arrived.
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel yes it was. Australia has only had a few of these incidents. But semi- automatic weapons should have been banned after the first. They should have also introduced Psychological Assessments as part of the application for a weapon. This could have saved 37 lives lost at Port Arthur
I applaud that cop for saying he would take responsibility for the decisions made that day as to going/not going into the building. I would really like to know, though, what cops in their right minds told those guys in the elevator to return to the crime, instead of running out the door to safety?! WTF.
Survivors are victims for life. Some manage to overcome the memories, others struggle. Rest in peace to the innocent people who lost their lives to that selfish monster. 💔
I can see why they sat outside, you just don’t rush into an unknown scene they needed some idea of where, what and how. I think the bigger problem was that any information coming out of the building was not being passed on correctly or quick enough.
@@paulinehiggins8239 Some of these guys are military. IN THE MILITARY THEY GO IN WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE THE ENEMY IS. If he heard the policemen coming in he probably would have ran or OFF HIMSELF SOONER.
Yeah, but it's not really first time. I remember watching some videos about Columbine shooting, the school was surrounded by cops, no one tried to go inside and neutralize the shooter, even when they knew exact location (librarian called 911, when one of guys was in there, shooting everyone around the room).
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel the call that detective got from dispatch at first was just armed robbery. Usually negotiaters come in,swat, and try to talk robbers into giving up. They werent told initially it wasnt a robbery. Dispatch wasnt forwarding the call info from within the building.
I don’t understand why the people weren’t running down the stairs or elevator to bottom to run out, I hear gun shots no matter what year, I’m running far away. The police didn’t do crap but cause a bunch of chaos outside!
Plus, a lot of them didn't realize they were in danger until it was too late. People on level 12 won't heat what's happening on level 5. People in the building didn't know which direction he planned on going so wouldn't know where to run
I can’t believe they tell that guy to go back on the elevator and go upstairs that is not right they all should be in prison for encouraging that man to go upstairs for him to get shot and they just sat there and waited for the swat team not rightat all all those people died because they sat on their butt . Rest in peace to all the victims, and also my prayers for the remaining people who were victimized by this person
how silly it is that everybody is just so shocked yet not acknowledging that this tragic deaths are simply the result of our society system we create and live in.
There are a lot of people that are bullied and teased, but don't kill people. I was bullied and teased horribly as a child and in high school. I never wanted to kill anyone. I choose to pray for them as well as choose not to associate with people like that.
Ok but what alternative do you propose, that would make Mr Rousseau proud? The norm-critical group hug, with its tolerant disdain for the untouchable straight, white, cis males? The peace-loving "no trust-this, no fleas" pro-Hamas liberator vision? Erik Honecker's worker's paradise, with its wall preventing the lucky chosen from escaping to us? Conflict resolution the Al-Assad-, Qaddafi-, Jinping-, Genghis Khan- or Neo-Assyrian empire way? Whining is easy. Balancing civic liberties against safety needs in mass population societies is hard.
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel All people need to do more instead of serving themselves and being so aloof. This happened within 17 minutes. What do you think -- that policeman just appear?
sounds like the gunman experienced severe narcissistic abuse, not everyone can deal with it, and when there is no justice is just festers. bullying is unacceptable, also far too easy for a young man to get a gun, what does he want it for
I was horribly bullied and NEVER thought it was OK to kill my bullies. I get sick and tired of people claiming them being bullied led them to kill a bunch of people! NO! I never had any help from anyone either. These killers were just seeking a reason to do their deed and being bullied is their go to. At some point a person has to take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming every one else for what they do.
This horrific incident and the Hoddle St murders just prior were what prompted me to give up working in Melb as an investigator & get on a flight out of the country. My city was turning into a nightmare that at 24 yrs old I could do without.
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel Unfortunately, I returned to Melb 15 years later 🤷♀ and now the issue isn't guns, it's knives and 15 yr olds nightly home invasions 😒
Poilice sitting outside.and doing nothing...hmmm.Sounds familiar. Same as what happened at Uvalde School.Except at least these police officers were being shot at...
Take a look around! Most people, including those who claim they are not, are bullies. Look at the comments on social media and you will see that bullying is rampant by adults who think it is ok to make fun of a person's body shape, feelings, emotions, political views etc. and think it's fun to make that person miserable with their comments. Keyboard bullies are the worst of all kind because they know they can remain anonymous for the most part and will never 'bump into' their victim. You can't stop bullying when the ones telling the younger generation to stop being bullies are showing them how to be bullies with their actions.
How about if you've been treated badly, get help and don't kill people! The bullies who hurt the perp were not great people, but THEY are not responsible for this man's actions.
lets all pray we never have to deal with so terrible a situation & God help us NOT TO HAVE cowards that let us die rather than expose themselves! All those cops should be ashamed of themselves
I worked at the old Police HQ building in William St when this occurred and remember hearing of it very quickly as word travelled around our 19 floors, which had the Chief Commissioner and the deputy commissioners all on the 19th floor. We had security in that building from when I started there in 1980, there was a reception desk on the ground floor surrounded by glass and we had City West police station on the ground floor. There was also a duress button just under the desk which connected to the police station which was roughly only 20 feet away but separated by walls. You had to sign in and wear a visitor’s pass the entire time you were in the building if you didn’t work there and have your Freddie with you. Whoever the person was you were meeting would be contacted and had to come down and escort you up. No one was permitted to enter the building and wander at random. I’m sure that it’s much tougher now but we had a very formidable lady named Dot who worked at the desk, and she could scare the crap out of anyone. This incident was a terrible shock, as was the Hoddle St massacre. Shook us all and was so frightening. many of us will never forget.
kids just dont realise that bullying with hurtful things said can play on that other persons mind, way into adulthood. Sad in a way that this then happened
I was bullied many times as a child and young adult and I've never considered doing something like this! Bullying isn't right, but this man had a choice, thousands of choices that led up to his decision to kill these poor people. HE was not the ultimate victim, his victims were!
THIS is why gratitude should NEVER be given simply because someone has a badge. Plenty of cops are cowards, but people assume a badge automatically makes them a hero. It does NOT!!
Good for the two gents who tackled him, doubtless they saved many more people that day, they are indeed heroes. Some of the other survivors may also have had 'survivor's guilt' after the incident, which would not have been recognised back then. Completely baffled by the cops who sent the two gents in the lift back up. That was beyond explanation and common sense. As much as the cops would have been inexperienced for such a situation, it was a crazy decision. And they ended up on the 11th floor no less. With the exception of one male victim, the perp did seem to have a hatred of women, executing them by close range bullet to the head in three cases. Misogyny is actually a trend in many mass shootings. The thing of it is, when 'taking out' victims who pose a real threat, one would think the killer would become 'extra sure' in taking out male threats to 'their mission'. And in this case, that was clear, by only wounding one of his ultimate assailants. Years ago, when I analyzed about 20 years of US school shootings, the female victim count was about 65% (or perhaps more, I cannot recall the exact figure, but disproportionately higher, and higher than random chance). My take on that is 'failed men' take out most of their aggression upon that to which they feel 'entitled'. Which probably spills over into the domestic violence homicides, whereby the majority of women killed are killed by current or former partners, about 60-65%, (entitlement), but the reverse is true for men, only about 5% are killed by female partners. And very very few mass homicides committed by women (you really have to dig deep to find them). Sorry for the tangent, but it did raise questions because of the detail in which the victims were killed. Thank you to the channel for a well put together documentary on this.
I think we need to remember the time and place; mass shootings are very rare in Australia so that can explain a lot of the workers’ reactions and perhaps a bit of why the police bungled handling it quickly. If you’ve never encountered a gunman before, you don’t necessarily have training to react in the most appropriate and timely way. Also, this was in the 80s! While there had been mass shootings (mostly in America ofc), it was rare meaning again, the workers nor police likely even knew what the sound was / knew what was happening nor how to react. What the brave souls did here was pure instinct. This case set the stage for many changes in Australia and I only wish the US learned anything from how it was handled afterwards.
I live in Melbourne and was 10 yrs old when this happened. Thankfully we didn't have many shootings since this until 1996. Fortunately in 1996 gun laws were tightened and this hasn't happened since. I actually have never seen a documentary this before.
I was sympathetic to the police at first, they weren’t used to these kind of situations, but by the end I was just thinking they were crap. They made no effort to even find out what was going on! They did nothing whatsoever.
Heartbreaking & such a shame Australia didn't decide to ban automatic & semi automatic fire arms at this point rather than leaving it until after the Port Arthur massacre where a lot of those victims could have been saved. RIP to all the victims & their families 😢
Oh WAKE UP. You normies are SO asleep. ALL these events are planned & staged by the "controllers" of this world....IN ORDER to take guns. ANYONE can get hold of an illegally owned gun. Banning ordinary good citizens from owning them is ONLY about removing our ability to FIGHT BACK when these controllers launch a take over. And if the SCAMdemic didn't show you what they are capable of, nothing ever will. This guy was likely singled out & put under MK Ultra mind control to carry this out. Other f@l$e f1@g events like $@ndy H00k were FAKE
It seems to me that at the time Australia was poorly equipped to deal with a mass shooting event. It also seems that police were playing too much by the book when they relied on their training. I take it that police procedure back then was to wait for the Swat team before they could storm the building?
Trying to understand why he did this terrible act, the police should be looking at how they conducted themselves and maybe more people would have been saved. They were shambolic to say the least.
What in gods name were the police doing, It seems to me that they were just standing outside not doing a thing, And as for telling that man to go back in the lift and go back up, Well it just beggers belief.
Oh gosh remember that. Such a slow response from the swat team then also, while the nation stayed glued to the television all night. Haunts me still. I was going there that day but on the drive to work i completely changed my mind which felt odd to even me at the time. Everyone’s family and friends all working in the city.
Who takes a gun to an office job? What workplace would allow that? I’d be more worried if my coworkers all had guns in the office.the criminal had the gun!
@@SamBarge1 where ever I go there’s you in the comments with your their their. Just comes across as rude really. You know it’s most likely a spellcheck typo thing. Put your red pen back in its holster would you.
@@Matilda-y The coolest thing I could do right now is correct the spelling in that comment but I won't. My mother raised me to spell correctly but not to be rude, even when it's funny.
I am not going to read every comment but surely there must be 249 WTF comments about police telling the people who made it to ground level to go back up into a building where there's an assassin/sociopath killing people. Everyone at once: WTF???
ermagerd, the green and yellow trams and buses, and the yellow Commodore police car o.O bringing back memories I remember his name, but not the actual event. oh no, not the Christian Dior tie! I don't fault survivors at all, not their actions nor their rationale; I've never been in such a situation so will never know (hopefully) the terror someone faces in such a situation by an extreme coincidence, I was almost at this same spot last Wednesday, I walked up Collins St to almost the corner of Queen St to take photos of Reine & La Rue, a restaurant at 380 Collins St, to send to an acquaintance who will be attending her granddaughter's 21st birthday luncheon there on Monday of next week
@@TheTrueCrimeChannelProbably more people remember the Port Arthur shooting, (I've just read the wiki page, which is truly terrifying) which I think was what changed gun laws. Purely by coincidence, I used to work near Hoddle St in Abbotsford, and I think the Julian Knight incident was in Clifton Hill (further north than where our factory was)
When theres a shooter, and you're hiding, dont scream. Women dont seem to understand that screaming does nothing but give you away. It's not instinctual it's a choice. Like screaming giving birth is a choice. It doesnt change your situation except make things worse. Stay quiet.
What a strange comment. The only person that reportedly screamed was a woman that wasn't hiding. The people that were hiding were whimpering in fear but they were men and women.
That is a ridiculous comment. Also unsubstantiated. Most people seemed to be either hiding, or encountered, and not screaming. One woman begged for her life AFTER being shot, and then was shot in the head. Whether she had done that or not, probably would have had no bearing on the outcome, it is likely he still would have executed her anyway. Frankly, you watch too many movies, where 'women scream'. Not necessarily the case at all. And everyone will react differently. Most people in the Queen Street massacre went straight into hiding, not screaming. Edna, you seem to be a stupid and judgemental person. Own it.
Just this year (AU), multiple stabbing incidents, so I really do not get your point. It has not stopped the random multiple killings. Are you in a city? We have plenty of guns (long arms) in the country. Far less multiple shootings out here. The common factor in most of these gun or stabbing crimes, was happening in a big city. So perhaps we ban big cities? Seems to make people go crazy. Just pointing out that your logic train got derailed. And in fact, I will bet the farm that more people are murdered by arson as much as knives, and both of those far more than guns, even before the tighter regulations. The only general exceptions to the multiple homicide committed by gun in the country, are domestic homicides, but not random victim shootings. Port Arthur would be the exception to that. Heck, I even came across a domestic massacre committed by axe in the early 20th century. I am only arguing that there is a middle ground between absolute zero private firearm access, and the free-for-all no-regulation of the US. Knee jerk reactions to heinous crimes do not resolve anything.
I would've never gone back up. I could mention sp I ritully & physically, I've come dangerously to close to being dead so many times,it would literally imlpact me to say the least, but I'm speaking real true crimes. It would be a feast to write a script & make a,movie out my horrific true crimes & events of staying aloof & standing upright with God ,& overcoming one dangerous obstacle after another, & another,but the present horror nightmare of almost losing,my life so many times,is still left unforeseen, but God Almighty sees,&'he's divinely guiding & protecting me & so I called out to him to save me ,& yes I'm indebted to the Creator & luv him unconditionally...🎉😂❤
Well this is what happens when you give up your freedom for safety, you become a subject of the crown, the police are part of the crown and must be protected, subjects are expendable. Free people are able to defend themselves.
Becuz I'm muslim,it's a part of our tradition that most males young & old is validated as extra skin can be an infliction,it's suppose to be a heathier sanitary. I remember a day came when all my 4 bros had to be circumcised, they all had a bucket 🪣 each to collect the blood they were losing but we also had professional doctors Priests & mandatory prayers. Within a day or so,my brothers were back to their heavy chores,& picking on one another,so many family & love memories...🎉😅
It’s actually not any cleaner. Nor is it extra skin. It functions the same way our eyelids do. It protects the organ from irritation and bacteria. Google “Your Whole Baby”.
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel I suspect Dennis is citing just random reports of childhood bed wetting or other incontinence. Loads of children do that without going on to kill anyone. Probably almost every young child has wet their beds? The correlation Dennis is attempting to make is some kind of needle in a haystack at best.
I can’t believe they sent that man back up in the elevator into a live shooter area. SMH
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That was indeed bizarre.
I can't believe he was foolish enough to listen. At what point do you think for yourself and not "orders? "
@@YolandaAdamsfan when the cops also have a bunch of guns pointed at you???
Why would the police make people go back up when they were at the ground😠
Good question
I thought the same thing 🤬
I couldn't believe they did that!!
Ive said it before in similiar cases where the cops dont go in fast enough. If your a coward, dont be a cop. Your costing lives
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Exactly
Eight people died & 5 were injured. The police sat outside waiting for the SWAT Unit. They should have been in the building chasing the gunman. They are trained for these situations & failed to act. The damage could have been controlled. The other problem was that information from within the building was not being passed on to police at the scene. There were people within the building who were contacting the Emergency number but their info was not getting to the police at scene. A total breakdown in communication. I realise communication was not what it is today but I there was an enquiry that found that not all callers were believed by the Emergency Operators. Sad, because if the police could have isolated the offender they could have entered the building & saved people's lives. The other problem was waiting for SWAT who were over 15 minutes away. Vitkovic killed 8 people in 17 minutes. It was over before the SWAT team ever arrived.
Such a horrific day
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel yes it was. Australia has only had a few of these incidents. But semi- automatic weapons should have been banned after the first. They should have also introduced Psychological Assessments as part of the application for a weapon. This could have saved 37 lives lost at Port Arthur
Thank you for sharing - at least firearms are still banned after this day
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel after Port Arthur yes
@@TheTrueCrimeChannelIf firearms were banned aftwr Milperra then Queen St, Hoddle At, Surrey Hills & Port Arthur would never have happened
Why didn’t the police go in? That’s their job. They’re armed, unlike the poor defenseless people inside.
Absolutely
Didn't want to get shot.
A early case of Uvalde syndrome, probably.
Why were the innocent people unarmed?!!!!!!
@@fredrickmarsiello4395we don’t carry weapons in Australia.
I applaud that cop for saying he would take responsibility for the decisions made that day as to going/not going into the building. I would really like to know, though, what cops in their right minds told those guys in the elevator to return to the crime, instead of running out the door to safety?! WTF.
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Thank you for uploading. The narration and interviews are all top notch.
Thanks for watching!
Survivors are victims for life. Some manage to overcome the memories, others struggle.
Rest in peace to the innocent people who lost their lives to that selfish monster. 💔
Well said
Imagine what the people in Gaza are experiecing and how the current genocide will affect them.
You never manage to overcome the memories when you are a victim of anything. The memories are still there. But I do agree with you on everything else.
@@TiffWaffles Children in Gaza?
Children in Gaza?
Ridiculous telling them to go back up
Absolutely!
An Anger that resulted from Bullying!!- An occurence that most schools and countries ( Unlike Italy ),fail to address as Serious.
@@annabelladebonnay8320 The trouble is that some of the teachers are as big a bullies as the pupils.
Most of the victims are on the police, they sat outside while all these poor people were executed
They should of done more
yeah true, police is to "Serve you a traffic ticket and Protect themselves from danger" for some 20yrs and then retire on our money and laf at us all.
I can see why they sat outside, you just don’t rush into an unknown scene they needed some idea of where, what and how. I think the bigger problem was that any information coming out of the building was not being passed on correctly or quick enough.
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Some of these guys are military. IN THE MILITARY THEY GO IN WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE THE ENEMY IS. If he heard the policemen coming in he probably would have ran or OFF HIMSELF SOONER.
Why does no one blame the guy with the weapon?!
Useless police in this case. And why did they send that guy back up? The coward police should be charged with the murders
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Oh my lord. Cant belive police sat outside. What a shsme. RIP to all
They should have been doing their job!
Yeah, but it's not really first time. I remember watching some videos about Columbine shooting, the school was surrounded by cops, no one tried to go inside and neutralize the shooter, even when they knew exact location (librarian called 911, when one of guys was in there, shooting everyone around the room).
@@AJ1987LV cops did the same thing at Uvalde as well. Cowards in flak jackets, letting unarmed, defenceless civilians to die.
~ rest in paradise ~ 😔 🕯
The police don't care about you or me or anyone but themselves.
Unbelievable ..police waiting that long outside until victims inside struggling to save their lives and man handling the gunman.
Why do you think they waited?
Reminds me of Uvalde.
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel the call that detective got from dispatch at first was just armed robbery. Usually negotiaters come in,swat, and try to talk robbers into giving up. They werent told initially it wasnt a robbery. Dispatch wasnt forwarding the call info from within the building.
I bet the guy who let him onto the 12th floor felt really bad.
Absolutely - but how would they have known?
I don’t understand why the people weren’t running down the stairs or elevator to bottom to run out, I hear gun shots no matter what year, I’m running far away. The police didn’t do crap but cause a bunch of chaos outside!
Everyone reacts differently in situations like these
Shock or fear, people doubting themselves and questioning if they're really hearing gunshots or not
Plus, a lot of them didn't realize they were in danger until it was too late. People on level 12 won't heat what's happening on level 5. People in the building didn't know which direction he planned on going so wouldn't know where to run
This man had a lot of anger and pent-uphatred inside.
Absolutely
Gosh what a terrible story. How terrifying for all those workers. Don’t know how I haven’t heard of this before.
It is lesser known for sure but still horrific
Austrailian
Back in the day when Aussies had some fight in them and would tackle a gunman
Do you think they still would?
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel I think they would, I know I would.
Yes we would , and without guns.
I can’t believe they tell that guy to go back on the elevator and go upstairs that is not right they all should be in prison for encouraging that man to go upstairs for him to get shot and they just sat there and waited for the swat team not rightat all all those people died because they sat on their butt .
Rest in peace to all the victims, and also my prayers for the remaining people who were victimized by this person
Absolutely - the police should have done more
One of the most bizarre stories regarding police activity I have ever heard.
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The question is why didnt the police go in?
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So weird that the ages of these victims were so young.
Lives cut short seems so unfair when it happens like this 😢
When people feel mistreated, bad things can happen. America's citizens feel mistreated.
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That sounds like a crazy statement
FBI watch list for you... sounds like a veiled threat. You and your MAGGOTS better remember that you're not the only one with a piece of steel.
You realize this took place in Australia, right?
I'm out. Why is this so sympathetic toward the victimizer its sickening
Because its a liberal country. Had he survived, he probably would not have even gotten the death penalty! Kind of a "pansy" country.
how silly it is that everybody is just so shocked yet not acknowledging that this tragic deaths are simply the result of our society system we create and live in.
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public schools are the beginning of the end for many children
well said
There are a lot of people that are bullied and teased, but don't kill people. I was bullied and teased horribly as a child and in high school. I never wanted to kill anyone. I choose to pray for them as well as choose not to associate with people like that.
Ok but what alternative do you propose, that would make Mr Rousseau proud? The norm-critical group hug, with its tolerant disdain for the untouchable straight, white, cis males? The peace-loving "no trust-this, no fleas" pro-Hamas liberator vision? Erik Honecker's worker's paradise, with its wall preventing the lucky chosen from escaping to us? Conflict resolution the Al-Assad-, Qaddafi-, Jinping-, Genghis Khan- or Neo-Assyrian empire way?
Whining is easy. Balancing civic liberties against safety needs in mass population societies is hard.
POLICE 🚔 waiting on SWAT TEAM ... 15 MINUTES MEANWHILE PEOOLE DYING !!!! HORRIFIC 🥺 POLICING
They should have done more
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel All people need to do more instead of serving themselves and being so aloof. This happened within 17 minutes. What do you think -- that policeman just appear?
Wow hey. Did the police ordered some take aways while they were waiting for the S. W. A. T team to arrived. That is so lame 😮😮😮😮.
Seems very slow!
sounds like the gunman experienced severe narcissistic abuse, not everyone can deal with it, and when there is no justice is just festers. bullying is unacceptable, also far too easy for a young man to get a gun, what does he want it for
Should not be that easy to get a weapon for sure
Australian Police... no money to be made so lets sit it out
So horrific
Unbelievable. What was wrong with the police? Incompetent
Absolutely
Being bullied has its consequences!
It shouldn't result in something like this
I was horribly bullied and NEVER thought it was OK to kill my bullies. I get sick and tired of people claiming them being bullied led them to kill a bunch of people! NO! I never had any help from anyone either. These killers were just seeking a reason to do their deed and being bullied is their go to. At some point a person has to take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming every one else for what they do.
This horrific incident and the Hoddle St murders just prior were what prompted me to give up working in Melb as an investigator & get on a flight out of the country. My city was turning into a nightmare that at 24 yrs old I could do without.
Where do you live now?
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel Unfortunately, I returned to Melb 15 years later 🤷♀ and now the issue isn't guns, it's knives and 15 yr olds nightly home invasions 😒
Scary! Do you live in a safe suburb?
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel 🤣 No suburb is safe. A tall fence, an old car & a cheap looking house are my only deterrent 🙂
Poilice sitting outside.and doing nothing...hmmm.Sounds familiar. Same as what happened at Uvalde School.Except at least these police officers were being shot at...
Absolutely...
Stop treating people like shit. Stop your kids from treating people like shit.
Good point
Take a look around! Most people, including those who claim they are not, are bullies. Look at the comments on social media and you will see that bullying is rampant by adults who think it is ok to make fun of a person's body shape, feelings, emotions, political views etc. and think it's fun to make that person miserable with their comments. Keyboard bullies are the worst of all kind because they know they can remain anonymous for the most part and will never 'bump into' their victim. You can't stop bullying when the ones telling the younger generation to stop being bullies are showing them how to be bullies with their actions.
How about if you've been treated badly, get help and don't kill people! The bullies who hurt the perp were not great people, but THEY are not responsible for this man's actions.
lets all pray we never have to deal with so terrible a situation & God help us NOT TO HAVE cowards that let us die rather than expose themselves! All those cops should be ashamed of themselves
Absolutely!
like the cop at Uvalde high school...
😢 Wow what a scary sad day for so many people! Thanks for the video and story!
Thanks for watching!
I worked at the old Police HQ building in William St when this occurred and remember hearing of it very quickly as word travelled around our 19 floors, which had the Chief Commissioner and the deputy commissioners all on the 19th floor. We had security in that building from when I started there in 1980, there was a reception desk on the ground floor surrounded by glass and we had City West police station on the ground floor. There was also a duress button just under the desk which connected to the police station which was roughly only 20 feet away but separated by walls. You had to sign in and wear a visitor’s pass the entire time you were in the building if you didn’t work there and have your Freddie with you. Whoever the person was you were meeting would be contacted and had to come down and escort you up. No one was permitted to enter the building and wander at random. I’m sure that it’s much tougher now but we had a very formidable lady named Dot who worked at the desk, and she could scare the crap out of anyone. This incident was a terrible shock, as was the Hoddle St massacre. Shook us all and was so frightening. many of us will never forget.
Oh wow! Thanks for sharing - did it change security presence after that?
"Fell out because of the knee."
Now there's a simplification that should be seriously looked into.
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@@TheTrueCrimeChannel exactly its beyond belief.
kids just dont realise that bullying with hurtful things said can play on that other persons mind, way into adulthood. Sad in a way that this then happened
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I was bullied many times as a child and young adult and I've never considered doing something like this! Bullying isn't right, but this man had a choice, thousands of choices that led up to his decision to kill these poor people. HE was not the ultimate victim, his victims were!
Is it weird that the first thing I wondered when they opened the “office” fridge was “why is there a 6pk of Foster’s Lager in there?”
Entirely beside the point, but detective McLaren, damn! That is a gorgeous jacket!
The weak police costs lives unnecessarily.
Unfortunately!
THIS is why gratitude should NEVER be given simply because someone has a badge. Plenty of cops are cowards, but people assume a badge automatically makes them a hero. It does NOT!!
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The gunman jumps for the 11th floor and he’s body splattered on the ground..the police rushed up to put handcuffs on him.
Insane
Unfortunately, this is just another day in America 😢
We are lucky to live in a country with gun laws
For the American dream... Wealth... A.k.a money. We just need enough... Don't have to be greedy.
yet everybody makes a big deal about it
Exaggerate much?
Lame!
A full automatic M1 Carbine? Right.........
Good for the two gents who tackled him, doubtless they saved many more people that day, they are indeed heroes. Some of the other survivors may also have had 'survivor's guilt' after the incident, which would not have been recognised back then.
Completely baffled by the cops who sent the two gents in the lift back up. That was beyond explanation and common sense. As much as the cops would have been inexperienced for such a situation, it was a crazy decision. And they ended up on the 11th floor no less.
With the exception of one male victim, the perp did seem to have a hatred of women, executing them by close range bullet to the head in three cases. Misogyny is actually a trend in many mass shootings. The thing of it is, when 'taking out' victims who pose a real threat, one would think the killer would become 'extra sure' in taking out male threats to 'their mission'. And in this case, that was clear, by only wounding one of his ultimate assailants. Years ago, when I analyzed about 20 years of US school shootings, the female victim count was about 65% (or perhaps more, I cannot recall the exact figure, but disproportionately higher, and higher than random chance). My take on that is 'failed men' take out most of their aggression upon that to which they feel 'entitled'. Which probably spills over into the domestic violence homicides, whereby the majority of women killed are killed by current or former partners, about 60-65%, (entitlement), but the reverse is true for men, only about 5% are killed by female partners. And very very few mass homicides committed by women (you really have to dig deep to find them). Sorry for the tangent, but it did raise questions because of the detail in which the victims were killed. Thank you to the channel for a well put together documentary on this.
Thank you for sharing
So sad
Tragic
I think we need to remember the time and place; mass shootings are very rare in Australia so that can explain a lot of the workers’ reactions and perhaps a bit of why the police bungled handling it quickly. If you’ve never encountered a gunman before, you don’t necessarily have training to react in the most appropriate and timely way. Also, this was in the 80s! While there had been mass shootings (mostly in America ofc), it was rare meaning again, the workers nor police likely even knew what the sound was / knew what was happening nor how to react. What the brave souls did here was pure instinct. This case set the stage for many changes in Australia and I only wish the US learned anything from how it was handled afterwards.
Possibly?
I remember this very well. It was the Monday of the last week of school in Queensland and I was finishing Yr 8.
Wow!
I live in Melbourne and was 10 yrs old when this happened. Thankfully we didn't have many shootings since this until 1996. Fortunately in 1996 gun laws were tightened and this hasn't happened since. I actually have never seen a documentary this before.
Oh wow! Did it change the way your community felt?
I was sympathetic to the police at first, they weren’t used to these kind of situations, but by the end I was just thinking they were crap. They made no effort to even find out what was going on! They did nothing whatsoever.
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Heartbreaking & such a shame Australia didn't decide to ban automatic & semi automatic fire arms at this point rather than leaving it until after the Port Arthur massacre where a lot of those victims could have been saved. RIP to all the victims & their families 😢
Such a devastating massacre
Oh WAKE UP.
You normies are SO asleep.
ALL these events are planned & staged by the "controllers" of this world....IN ORDER to take guns.
ANYONE can get hold of an illegally owned gun.
Banning ordinary good citizens from owning them is ONLY about removing our ability to FIGHT BACK when these controllers launch a take over.
And if the SCAMdemic didn't show you what they are capable of, nothing ever will.
This guy was likely singled out & put under MK Ultra mind control to carry this out.
Other f@l$e f1@g events like $@ndy H00k were FAKE
Guns? NO how about the bullies and help to the kid?
No difference to the outcome in this one though. Perp modified the firearm to become basically a single shot weapon.
Useless cops did nothing
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It seems to me that at the time Australia was poorly equipped to deal with a mass shooting event. It also seems that police were playing too much by the book when they relied on their training. I take it that police procedure back then was to wait for the Swat team before they could storm the building?
Good point
Trying to understand why he did this terrible act, the police should be looking at how they conducted themselves and maybe more people would have been saved. They were shambolic to say the least.
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That murderer just sent himself to the eternal pits of Hell! Thats really serious to think about!
Insane
What in gods name were the police doing, It seems to me that they were just standing outside not doing a thing, And as for telling that man to go back in the lift and go back up, Well it just beggers belief.
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These cops retelling their story, sound like they’re should never have been cops! Thank god they never joined the army we would’ve lost the war🤷♂️
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Hoddle st and Queen st in the same year
I wonder why it took them so long to ban guns in Australia after 3 massacres in one year?
the leint coffee shop all over again
History did repeat itself
Oh gosh remember that. Such a slow response from the swat team then also, while the nation stayed glued to the television all night. Haunts me still. I was going there that day but on the drive to work i completely changed my mind which felt odd to even me at the time. Everyone’s family and friends all working in the city.
I think you mean "Lindt". Some of the victims in that one were killed by police ammo, directly or indirectly.
Wow not one person returned fire with. there own gun???wtf?
Who takes a gun to an office job? What workplace would allow that? I’d be more worried if my coworkers all had guns in the office.the criminal had the gun!
This isn't the US...
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@@SamBarge1 where ever I go there’s you in the comments with your their their. Just comes across as rude really. You know it’s most likely a spellcheck typo thing. Put your red pen back in its holster would you.
@@Matilda-y The coolest thing I could do right now is correct the spelling in that comment but I won't. My mother raised me to spell correctly but not to be rude, even when it's funny.
I am not going to read every comment but surely there must be 249 WTF comments about police telling the people who made it to ground level to go back up into a building where there's an assassin/sociopath killing people. Everyone at once: WTF???
Insane!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂What are you trying to say?🤔🤔🤔🤔
What do you mean?
31:31 that’s poop. The smell is poop.
Yikes!
ermagerd, the green and yellow trams and buses, and the yellow Commodore police car o.O bringing back memories
I remember his name, but not the actual event.
oh no, not the Christian Dior tie! I don't fault survivors at all, not their actions nor their rationale; I've never been in such a situation so will never know (hopefully) the terror someone faces in such a situation
by an extreme coincidence, I was almost at this same spot last Wednesday, I walked up Collins St to almost the corner of Queen St to take photos of Reine & La Rue, a restaurant at 380 Collins St, to send to an acquaintance who will be attending her granddaughter's 21st birthday luncheon there on Monday of next week
Do you remember it changing Australia?
@@TheTrueCrimeChannelProbably more people remember the Port Arthur shooting, (I've just read the wiki page, which is truly terrifying) which I think was what changed gun laws.
Purely by coincidence, I used to work near Hoddle St in Abbotsford, and I think the Julian Knight incident was in Clifton Hill (further north than where our factory was)
When theres a shooter, and you're hiding, dont scream. Women dont seem to understand that screaming does nothing but give you away. It's not instinctual it's a choice. Like screaming giving birth is a choice. It doesnt change your situation except make things worse. Stay quiet.
Great point
Hey, having a baby hurts and I'll scream if I damn well please
What a strange comment. The only person that reportedly screamed was a woman that wasn't hiding. The people that were hiding were whimpering in fear but they were men and women.
Men scream too, I might add....
That is a ridiculous comment. Also unsubstantiated. Most people seemed to be either hiding, or encountered, and not screaming. One woman begged for her life AFTER being shot, and then was shot in the head. Whether she had done that or not, probably would have had no bearing on the outcome, it is likely he still would have executed her anyway.
Frankly, you watch too many movies, where 'women scream'. Not necessarily the case at all. And everyone will react differently. Most people in the Queen Street massacre went straight into hiding, not screaming. Edna, you seem to be a stupid and judgemental person. Own it.
Guns should not be sold to individuals
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What about claw hammers and meat cleavers ?
Just this year (AU), multiple stabbing incidents, so I really do not get your point. It has not stopped the random multiple killings.
Are you in a city? We have plenty of guns (long arms) in the country. Far less multiple shootings out here. The common factor in most of these gun or stabbing crimes, was happening in a big city. So perhaps we ban big cities? Seems to make people go crazy. Just pointing out that your logic train got derailed. And in fact, I will bet the farm that more people are murdered by arson as much as knives, and both of those far more than guns, even before the tighter regulations.
The only general exceptions to the multiple homicide committed by gun in the country, are domestic homicides, but not random victim shootings. Port Arthur would be the exception to that. Heck, I even came across a domestic massacre committed by axe in the early 20th century.
I am only arguing that there is a middle ground between absolute zero private firearm access, and the free-for-all no-regulation of the US. Knee jerk reactions to heinous crimes do not resolve anything.
I would've never gone back up. I could mention sp I ritully & physically, I've come dangerously to close to being dead so many times,it would literally imlpact me to say the least, but I'm speaking real true crimes. It would be a feast to write a script & make a,movie out my horrific true crimes & events of staying aloof & standing upright with God ,& overcoming one dangerous obstacle after another, & another,but the present horror nightmare of almost losing,my life so many times,is still left unforeseen, but God Almighty sees,&'he's divinely guiding & protecting me & so I called out to him to save me ,& yes I'm indebted to the Creator & luv him unconditionally...🎉😂❤
Thanks for sharing!
Well this is what happens when you give up your freedom for safety, you become a subject of the crown, the police are part of the crown and must be protected, subjects are expendable. Free people are able to defend themselves.
Interesting
Becuz I'm muslim,it's a part of our tradition that most males young & old is validated as extra skin can be an infliction,it's suppose to be a heathier sanitary. I remember a day came when all my 4 bros had to be circumcised, they all had a bucket 🪣 each to collect the blood they were losing but we also had professional doctors Priests & mandatory prayers. Within a day or so,my brothers were back to their heavy chores,& picking on one another,so many family & love memories...🎉😅
that is abuse
It’s mutilation and unless you have a rare medical condition where the foreskin can’t retract, it’s absolutely pointless health-wise.
It’s actually not any cleaner. Nor is it extra skin. It functions the same way our eyelids do. It protects the organ from irritation and bacteria. Google “Your Whole Baby”.
A lot of killers pee there pants 👖
What do you mean?
😂
*their
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel I suspect Dennis is citing just random reports of childhood bed wetting or other incontinence. Loads of children do that without going on to kill anyone. Probably almost every young child has wet their beds? The correlation Dennis is attempting to make is some kind of needle in a haystack at best.
This is why lawfull people should be allowed to carry guns. Or have a security guard on the premises.
Do you think that would encourage violence?
@@TheTrueCrimeChannel
I think it would deter it.
Why on earth are 'most' Australians circumcised,?? Weird
It's considered more hygienic.
Christian Nation.
@@margyeoman3564 It is not a religious rite for Christians. Jews, yes.
Catholic church, Jews and Muslims
We’re talking about the ‘80s. Not so much now.
This personality sounds like Donald Trump in the US.
Nah, nothing and no one is quite like The Donald.
enjoy your endless wars 😢
FJB
@@rhondabenedict5284 Benedict Arnold Traitor Trump.
Tragic event aside, aussies sound goofy
8 people killed and everyone has PTSD inagine wht the children in Palestine are experiencing as you watch this?
If not be bullied nothings happening why teachers get paid for
What do you mean?
I think you are confused mate , this is not a story about bullies at school . Lay off the vodka that stuff will fry your brain . Sleep tight :)
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…Saying that the teacher’s treatment of him contributed to his mindset, and that she didn’t do her job properly. Not an unreasonable thought…
Teachers jobs are to educate, it’s up to the students parents to teach them respect and morals .
Most BORING!!!!!