julian jacq It’s a little odd that people are clamoring for engine games. It’s almost like a science fiction movie from the 1980’s. The Terminator with chess pieces instead of energy weapons.
@@Buffalo_Soldier maybe for free play engines yes, but for humans, you can't learn every possible variation so chess is never solved. Also I think there will always be an engine that beats the previous one
It's interesting but if you really think about it, Alpha can play like that because it's an engine, it lacks emotions. To play so aggressively right from the start is something that even super gms, I feel, wouldn't feel relaxed with. In this game, Alpha gave up to 4 pawns(!!) just so it can have better mobility. I'm certain that there are players who can control themselves but in general, while aggressiveness is human nature, so is the instinct of survival. And I believe that even that can be truly seen in a chess game. While everyone longs to play interesting and aggressive chess, I think that for most people, it would be nerve-racking to proceed so willingly to sacrifices without gaining as exchange something more concrete other than "better mobility". And it's not like Alpha's sacrifices pay out in the short term; it really takes much of intuition and somewhat of emotional- distancing to play like that (from a human perspective).
Disagree, AlphaZero plays like a friggin alien. It doesn't even remotely care about material - its material count just seems like an afterthought compared to a billion positional factors only it can see.
I love the analyses on these videos. He literally analyzes thirty moves after move 8 and then he just says “Stockfish realizes this and doesn’t take” like what?!?!😂
If you're still single, just approach the girl and introduce yourself as Alpha Zero. You will make the right move, and mate. That engine is scary accurate.
god damn i think i understand why people are begging for more alpha zero and why is he pushing back for human games they are like potent drugs its just too good a game where no mistakes are made yet another player crushes the other is just amazing to watch
I don't know of there are no mistakes. The mistake for stock fish seems to be in strategy. He seems to be more interested in defending his position and not loosing material. Alpha plans seems to be more decisive from the start, develops his pieces far more quickly while stockfish defends
Having watched Alpha's games, I think it's a lot easier to understand that Alpha correctly adjusts a pawn's value as it moves across the board. The earlier and the further the pawn makes its trek across the board, the more value that pawn has than the pawn that has literally not moved the whole game, will not move but maybe one space defensively until the end game, and which can do nothing to stop anything else on the board. AlphaZero, knowing nothing of piece valuations, comes up with its own based on its understanding of what wins and how it happens, and its valuations are "more correct," and so its first principles, being entirely different but measurably slightly better, seeks a different move set which is aggressive and sees deep pawn trades or move combinations which end up with a deep pawn or passed pawn as a form of choking your opponents' position. An unaccountable deep pawn is a future queen, and that, by anyone's measure, is worth more than 1 point, and sometimes more than 3, even if not yet queen depending on the inevitability, and AlphaZero exploits this in a way you know in your soul is correct but is hard to fully measure, at least for me. I've read a few of the comments. One correctly describes humans as having "more self-preservation than Alpha. I think self-preservation is entirely what it's trying to take advantage of. It wants you to spend moves, pieces and time trying to protect what it has already calculated you will lose, and waste more pieces doing it than you would've lost, and if it has to get one, two or even 3 pawns out of its own way to do it, it will do it, especially if it can do it with its own deep pawns versus your stifled pawns. It has the extreme arrogance to presume that if you play a pin down to its final conclusion, it should result not in a favorable trade, but in full on zugzwang.
I remember Morphy once claimed that control of certain squares in certain openings should count for points. Ie, +1.5 for overprotecting e5 as white. +1.7 for placing a knight there. Your idea of increasing a pawn's value as it marches across the board is very interesting. Some more criteria to consider: If two pawns are connected in a chain, and the more advanced one is unopposed by any pawns and on the 5th rank, then add 6 points. If the further unopposed pawn is on the sixth rank and is still connected, add 9 points. If on the seventh, start looking for mate in N. Exceptions: If the pawns are unopposed by other pawns they can still be blocked by pieces. A pawn that is blocked by a knight is less valuable than a pawn blocked by a rook. Unopposed pawns are increasingly valuable the fewer pieces the opponent has. If two pawns are connected and unopposed, then you have a 9-point advantage if the further one is on the sixth rank. If the further one is on the seventh rank, start searching for mate in N. If three pawns are connected and unopposed, the game is won, even if the opponent has a bishop for the three pawns. Suppose the black king is on e7, you have a pawn on e6, and a pawn on f7. The game is won. If black takes on e6, the f-pawn promotes. Advanced and unopposed pawns can become worthless, instantly drawing the game, if a special position is reached that compromises the game. Read into Philidor, Vancura, Lucena positions. The pawn also becomes worthless if the defending side can create a fortress. There is no way for the attacker to win, and can only force stalemate. The pawn may be on the sixth rank but it will never march the remaining two ranks. In lines where white plays against the sicilian dragon, English attack, a furious attack begins against the black king. This does not usually result in the king being mated. But at some point white has a choice. A pawn on h5 can capture the g6 pawn. Capture to open lines for the mating attack, or push to h6? Frequently, white will push to h6. This is called the positional style. Should the h7 pawn ever fall, queening would be just around the corner. As a result black is tied down to guard said pawn, limiting piece activity. In such a case, the h6 pawn must be valued much higher than 1 point. Bonus: Did you know that modern European theory gives the value of a rook at 4.5 instead of 5? Think back to the last time you had a queen vs 2 rooks game. If there were multiple loose pawns on the board for you to pick up, then you won, as the rooks were too clumsy to coordinate. If the position was almost completely locked up with only a few open files, then their rooks infiltrated by force and won the game. If the rooks were passive and only defended pawns, you won. If the queen was passive and only defended pawns, you lost. Half the time, a queen is better than two rooks, so rook value was adjusted to be 4.5. Edit: ruclips.net/video/peyW-jGXIOI/видео.html A properly defended bishop pair outclasses the queen, especially if there are no pawns on the four central squares. Bishop pair, plus 4. Bishop pair, defended by active rook or knight, with unopposed central control, plus 8 (esp if it can escort a pawn).
Antonio is so knowledgeable that it’s funny. He will say something casual like “I think this was only played once before, I’m not sure, and if I’m not mistaken it was played on December 21st 1889 between such and such player at the Acropolis coffee shop and they were both drinking matcha tea.” LOL
Dont want to burst your bubble, but he usually prepares his vids, he looks up the database for tournament games and sees if the opening position has already been played or not. If it was played in the past, he looks up the game's result and sees wether black or white won.
Anass Monteblanca Don’t want to burst your bubble, but I was employing something called humour. Look it up the way Agad looks up the games and tell me if you or I won. Hint: you didn’t.
@@dimitrioskyriazis3817 It's only humorous if you don't understand how the videos are actually made. Because if you understand that he literally just looked the game up, it is no longer funny or surprising that he remembers it. Right? Not sure if you're just trying to be humorous again here.
knight and bishop are rather equal at some point but having a bishop pair is certainly far more interesting than knight pair, especially at open games and playing at both sides in the endgame
@@kulkidspin7691 well, knights are better in closed and bishops in opne games. Now try to compare forcing a position to close to forcing a position to open. You can force a position where the bishop is better than the knight much more often than vice verca, so the knight is (in my opinion) inferior. also the bishop can travel faster, can control more squares and doesn't suffer nearly as much from being badly placed.
I was going to say the same thing! But I actually got a lot out of both videos. Anna highlighted the apparent strangeness with the pawn movement and the lack of attacking at certain points by AZ. I really like when Agad shows why different moves were not played though, like the line he talks through at 5:50. Its amazing to see that AZ and SF are playing so far into the future like this with every move
@@vladavasiljev we will never know what brillliancies Tal could've created, had he been sober. Fischer would've never become world champion and maybe sacrifices would now be part of modern opening theory
That has to be the greatest bishop pair to ever grace a chess board.. This game epitomises the true power of the bishops. It's resulted in me watching this video over 5 times.
The reason people love watching Alpha Zero so much is because human players constantly try to imitate engines. Alpha is the one that is doing things differently, doing new interesting things, destroying the meta so to speak. The desire to watch humans act as subpar engines is much less vs. watching Alpha, who is honestly playing more human-like, just on a much higher level.
Jusy because it makes strange and out of the ordinary moves for a computer DOES NOT mean it plays like a Human. The only thing that makes a player a human is the ability to make mistakes. This thing makes humans look like Chimps.
The beauty of Alpha is that it shows us that chess is much more than just structured positions and theory. Creativity and risk still wins the day, if it is properly planned and executed. This is why I love chess.
Finally learnt chess. Can't believe that I was playing wrong all that time. I thought pushing pawns in front of king was not good as it exposed king but I missed that castling my king behind pawns already on 4th and 5th rank was winning. Now I know how to win. Hold my bear Fabi, let me show you it is done. Where is magnus?
"Finally learnt chess. Can't believe that I was playing wrong all that time." I was taught chess at one point when I was young, but I vaguely recall Castling as an actual move, I especially never heard of En Passant when I was a kid. so that tells you how much I knew before coming into this channel. Castling does look like a made-up move as an excuse, to get the King into the corner. I amuse myself by picturing the King and Rook doing a dance around each other as they get to their squares. ;)
@@Tobi-pn2xs I believe castling is one of the most charming things about chess when we were kids, seems like a cheat code to move two pieces in one turn :)))
It would be super awesome to have a graphic for stockfish evaluation after every move. It'd be interested to see when stockfish thinks it has the advantage.
I am always amazed how little AlphaZero seems to care about being down several pawns. It always keeps Stockfish off balance to the point where it doesn’t have any useful pawn breaks and just slowly gets smothered until its position is so awful that Alpha gets its material and then some back by force. It’s almost like Alpha is playing a different game
Stockfish, Phillidor and every other chess players: No No you can't push pawns too hight your pawn structure will be weak and you will lose the game!!! AlphaZero: Haha pawns go brrr
@@Camcolito it plays in a way that reflects great games of the past where moves were played that intuitively felt like they'd gain an advantage & then calculated from the opponent's next move to see what advantage could be gained. Also it learned all those innumerable lines by doing just that, just playing lines & seeing where they went, which is why it 'feels' like it plays in a manner which is more human.
One of the absolute best attacking games that I have ever seen. It's extremely fascinating to see Alpha's persistent attack and Stockfish's ALMOST equally tenacious defence. Please show as many of Alpha's games as you can. 😊
I'm glad to have learned that all those times I messed up my pawn structure, I was really just playing like a supercomputer. Well, except for the tiny difference at the end where I don't win.
I like how you actually listen and produce what your audience wants. Not just these Alpha comments, but you also made that poll for next series and so on. Your like to dislike ratio shows that it really is working for you. Keep up the good work!
What a wonderful game. Can we all take a moment to appreciate that until 31 moves in, black's light bishop and A rook were not in the game. Alpha makes stockfish play with less pieces even without capturing them. Masterpiece!
At 8:13 is this really a better position for white? The h and g pawns look very hard to stop. Also "prophylactic move" your vocabulary is so impressive. I've never head you misuse or mispronounce a word ever.
"So basically you want to overextend your pawn structure on the queen side and mess up your pawn structure on the king's side and you will have a very nice game. That is what basically Alpha is teaching us" - Agadmator I get the feeling he doesn't buy into the idea that Alpha Go is revealing deeper truths of the game... Love the videos, keep at em, and love your coverage of AlphaZero. I know you don't like covering it, but I think I speak for most of us when I say I appreciate every such video.
I mean it with complete amazement when I say this is the best video I’ve watched of yours so far. Letting us understand such amazing games is really amazing
Superb analysis. I love seeing the unplayed variations which most would play, albeit lose with, and find out why they are inferior. And showing the computer's strategic ideas like that king march at the end really illustrate what is happening.
I wish Tal, Fischer, Morphy, Botvinnik, Capablanca could see this game. I wish Karpov could too, but he can. Fantastic game. and brilliant commentary as always. Thank you.
Afternoon, you are really good at analyzing, remembering lines from old games and a great teacher, you should be in the top 100 world wide. I'm sure you are around 2600, you have a good understanding of moves and can tap into other player's minds(AI's included). You are doing a great job. Thanks for an amazing channel. Please keep up the good work.
Even in these supercomputer matches, I'd love to see you expand on some lines which may initially seem like a fine idea. For example, when watching this video at 12:31 I initially thought "that's not that bad if you can trade your queen for the 2 rooks while giving check", until I saw the third move in 1. Qc6 Rxg1 2.Qxh6 Rxc1+ 3. Bxc1 a second later. 12:47 doesn't necessarily look like the ultimate winning position for white either. Simply execute the same idea; 1. Bd4 Rxg1 then either 2. Qxh6 Rxc1+ or 2. Bxg1 Qxc6 3. Rxc6 .. seems kind of okay for black (at least on the surface). I had the same feeling a bit earlier in the video; at the position in 4:17, I would think e5 is a fine move that counters everything you mentioned in the video. For example: 1. .. e5 2. c5 dxc5 3. dxe5 Nxe5 4. Qxc5 Nf3+ 5. Bxf3 Qxb2 seems fine for black, so that would be an interesting line to see explained in this video. I understand that the game played here is WAYYYYYY more advanced than I can possibly understand, but it would be very interesting to see some lines that are now glossed over as "black not being to be able to do anything else" still explained in a bit more detail.
You have turned me into a huge chess fan. Your analysis and commentary is amazing. You deserve tremendous success and recognition for bringing the game of chess to the mass audience on RUclips. Congratulations on having one of my favorite channels, I spend a disproportionate amount of time watching your videos.
Your video's are awesome dude. I was at 850 when I started watching your videos and Finegold's videos. Now in a couple months I am almost 1300 and climbing. You are a good teacher.
When I told Woody Harrelson that I was playing AlphaZero and asked him to make the first move for me, he pulled the white rook backwards off the board by one space.
The problem is that, in all these matches, Alpha Zero's hardware was considerably stronger than Stockfish', as far as I'm aware, even in the latest ones. Software brilliance aside, computers need extremely powerful processors to be efficient. You can argue, that all things being equal, the latesy Stockfish, with Montecarlo analysis, is still more effective than A0, by computing combinations with sheer force.
A0 vs SF8 series is a very nice move. I'm just sitting back and enjoying the show! What I like about this game is how Alpha shifts attacks back and forth between the queen side of the board and the king side. Pushing the Q-side pawns enabled mobilizing pieces from side to side. Luring SF to waste moves with a knigt bouncing around and then an unassisted queen made use of black to open up the king side while neglecting development of his own pieces. This game should be listed in the sorcery series.
The fact that it took a few minutes to explain just how dirty that Rg3 move was is part of why we're hooked on machine games. You have to see ideal play so far ahead in order to make sense of it
Agadmator, please keep posting these engine games. We live in such an incredible time to watch emerging AI crush the world’s premier chess engines with such ease. I’m sure I speak for many of us when I say it’s amazing to see these games, and see these engines continuing to evolve the way chess is played.
Alphazero always waits for stockfish to castle king side and time and time again this seems to be Stockfish biggest mistake puts pressure on the kings three pawns and boxes Black king into the corner
Four deadly combinations: (1) open g file (castling is not always required) (2) bishop pair zooming in on the King side (3) active pieces, and (4) domination in the centre. The rest almost just fell into place. It's amazing how strategies found by human play over centuries are confirmed by a machine that literally only taught itself to play without any access to human teachings whatsoever.
We love AlphaZero. Thank you for videos on this topic. It also allowing me to improve not only my chess skills, but also practice in English. Great job!
15:29 black queen comes to alpha queen requesting a ceasefire while still eyeing the pawn... Alpha queen: nope, you dont seem to have come here in good faith. Stockfish queen : no no, in good faith i ask you. Alpha queen: then, why are you eyeing my pawn. You suck. No ceasefire. Annihilation you will see. Snipers !!! Bomb the fortress..
its good to finally see a computer play aggressive and risky.. i taught my daughter how to play chess when she was 8 and as she played more she throws pawns up the board sacking them just to open the position and it got her to 2150 rating before she just quit playing
You are the best if I knew you actually read comments I would have requested more alpha games. I love hearing “and at this point stockfish resigned” pure joy.
Philidor: "Pawns are the soul of chess"
AlphaZero: "Pawns are only blocking my rooks"
That is so damn funny, and true ! ^^
Yaa
You just made my day! :D
AlphaZero:"And bishops op."
Rofl .very nice jjudgement
Captures, captures, captures, everything captures.
and that is that
@@aragornsonofarathorn3461 HAHAHAHAH THESE COMMENTS ARE KILLING ME
And it was in this position that captures captures the game
Hmm ... But OK
19:46 😂
"Captures, captures, captures ... everything captures, and that is that." The best TL;DR of any chess game.
He did a video on a game with no captures :)
@@Tesla_Death_Ray Wow this comment section. is still active
@@jvplaster I don't see you in it.
@@Tesla_Death_Ray ikr but it was a 4 months old video...plus it was a chess video.mm I thought there won't be anyone watching it at late as now
@@jvplaster 4 months isn't that long. Also he has 400k subs. 3% of whom are women. He's helping chess a lot.
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julian jacq It’s a little odd that people are clamoring for engine games. It’s almost like a science fiction movie from the 1980’s. The Terminator with chess pieces instead of energy weapons.
@@ChrisHyde537 since the judgement day didnt happen back in 1997 we are all eager to get totally rekt by an AI by now =b
Thank you. I try my best, but I still blunder some reads now and again :(
Thanks (y)
More alpha more alpha PLEAAAAASE
Not long from now, one of the AI's will resign on turn three, because it will have already calculated that it lost.
It won't respond with the same move when it has already calculated its a loss.
@@Buffalo_Soldier maybe for free play engines yes, but for humans, you can't learn every possible variation so chess is never solved. Also I think there will always be an engine that beats the previous one
But it wouldn’t assume that their opponent would play perfectly
My thought was, why not supercomputing AI's always draw? Guess AlphaZero is still a child :/
There are more possible iterations of chess games than there are atoms in the observable universe. Its not an easy task to say the least
Alpha is playing like a "human" while human tries to memorize engine moves.
Ironic how creator and creation work huh?
It's interesting but if you really think about it, Alpha can play like that because it's an engine, it lacks emotions. To play so aggressively right from the start is something that even super gms, I feel, wouldn't feel relaxed with. In this game, Alpha gave up to 4 pawns(!!) just so it can have better mobility. I'm certain that there are players who can control themselves but in general, while aggressiveness is human nature, so is the instinct of survival. And I believe that even that can be truly seen in a chess game. While everyone longs to play interesting and aggressive chess, I think that for most people, it would be nerve-racking to proceed so willingly to sacrifices without gaining as exchange something more concrete other than "better mobility". And it's not like Alpha's sacrifices pay out in the short term; it really takes much of intuition and somewhat of emotional- distancing to play like that (from a human perspective).
i feel like alpha is playing in a way that takes advantage of other engines
true man. its ironic
Disagree, AlphaZero plays like a friggin alien. It doesn't even remotely care about material - its material count just seems like an afterthought compared to a billion positional factors only it can see.
I’m honestly super interested in seeing alpha play a game against itself
Im pretty sure they are all draws
@@amdcagme Or maybe white always wins. Only one way to find out!
They win and draw depending on how much alpha has 'learned'
S Smith if white always win then it's sad because chess has been solved
@@wibupikachu851 Same thing if it's always a draw or if black always wins.... if chess is solved with one of these results it's solved.
I love the analyses on these videos. He literally analyzes thirty moves after move 8 and then he just says “Stockfish realizes this and doesn’t take” like what?!?!😂
If you're still single, just approach the girl and introduce yourself as Alpha Zero. You will make the right move, and mate. That engine is scary accurate.
Holy fuck
What the hell
Yes... Yes, officer. They're the one...
This is one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen. It's truly exquisite how absolutely useless this is.
@@garnerday7149 Thank you.
Stockfish: "Alpha Zero" what do you prefer : A furious attack ir a comfortable material advantage?
Alpha Zero: I just wanna be in an agadmator's video
LucapEe LucapEe Ok
Htoo Doh ok what ???
"You want to over-extend on the Queen side, mess up your pawn structure on the King side, and then you will have a very nice game." ~agadmator
Capablanca: Who complicates chess dosen't understand it
Alpha zero: Lol
theblondknight alpha zero: what a noob
Laughs in tal
Well, Alpha Zero doesn't understand chess, its true
Alpha Zero and Tal: Laughs*
Lol
Over extend on the queen side, mess up my pawn structure on the king side; Got it.
I'm reporting anyone who wins against me from now on !!
I'd report everyone who loses to you, we've seen what this tactic does to stockfish.
No one gonna win. REKT STOCKFISH
god damn i think i understand why people are begging for more alpha zero and why is he pushing back for human games
they are like potent drugs its just too good a game where no mistakes are made yet another player crushes the other is just amazing to watch
I don't know of there are no mistakes. The mistake for stock fish seems to be in strategy. He seems to be more interested in defending his position and not loosing material. Alpha plans seems to be more decisive from the start, develops his pieces far more quickly while stockfish defends
@@victoryobosi4641 There are no blunders
Having watched Alpha's games, I think it's a lot easier to understand that Alpha correctly adjusts a pawn's value as it moves across the board. The earlier and the further the pawn makes its trek across the board, the more value that pawn has than the pawn that has literally not moved the whole game, will not move but maybe one space defensively until the end game, and which can do nothing to stop anything else on the board. AlphaZero, knowing nothing of piece valuations, comes up with its own based on its understanding of what wins and how it happens, and its valuations are "more correct," and so its first principles, being entirely different but measurably slightly better, seeks a different move set which is aggressive and sees deep pawn trades or move combinations which end up with a deep pawn or passed pawn as a form of choking your opponents' position. An unaccountable deep pawn is a future queen, and that, by anyone's measure, is worth more than 1 point, and sometimes more than 3, even if not yet queen depending on the inevitability, and AlphaZero exploits this in a way you know in your soul is correct but is hard to fully measure, at least for me.
I've read a few of the comments. One correctly describes humans as having "more self-preservation than Alpha. I think self-preservation is entirely what it's trying to take advantage of. It wants you to spend moves, pieces and time trying to protect what it has already calculated you will lose, and waste more pieces doing it than you would've lost, and if it has to get one, two or even 3 pawns out of its own way to do it, it will do it, especially if it can do it with its own deep pawns versus your stifled pawns. It has the extreme arrogance to presume that if you play a pin down to its final conclusion, it should result not in a favorable trade, but in full on zugzwang.
You can become a great historian
wtf. Why here. Why.
Nice explanation of your point
I remember Morphy once claimed that control of certain squares in certain openings should count for points. Ie, +1.5 for overprotecting e5 as white. +1.7 for placing a knight there.
Your idea of increasing a pawn's value as it marches across the board is very interesting.
Some more criteria to consider:
If two pawns are connected in a chain, and the more advanced one is unopposed by any pawns and on the 5th rank, then add 6 points. If the further unopposed pawn is on the sixth rank and is still connected, add 9 points. If on the seventh, start looking for mate in N.
Exceptions:
If the pawns are unopposed by other pawns they can still be blocked by pieces. A pawn that is blocked by a knight is less valuable than a pawn blocked by a rook.
Unopposed pawns are increasingly valuable the fewer pieces the opponent has.
If two pawns are connected and unopposed, then you have a 9-point advantage if the further one is on the sixth rank. If the further one is on the seventh rank, start searching for mate in N.
If three pawns are connected and unopposed, the game is won, even if the opponent has a bishop for the three pawns.
Suppose the black king is on e7, you have a pawn on e6, and a pawn on f7. The game is won. If black takes on e6, the f-pawn promotes.
Advanced and unopposed pawns can become worthless, instantly drawing the game, if a special position is reached that compromises the game. Read into Philidor, Vancura, Lucena positions.
The pawn also becomes worthless if the defending side can create a fortress. There is no way for the attacker to win, and can only force stalemate. The pawn may be on the sixth rank but it will never march the remaining two ranks.
In lines where white plays against the sicilian dragon, English attack, a furious attack begins against the black king. This does not usually result in the king being mated. But at some point white has a choice.
A pawn on h5 can capture the g6 pawn. Capture to open lines for the mating attack, or push to h6? Frequently, white will push to h6. This is called the positional style. Should the h7 pawn ever fall, queening would be just around the corner. As a result black is tied down to guard said pawn, limiting piece activity. In such a case, the h6 pawn must be valued much higher than 1 point.
Bonus: Did you know that modern European theory gives the value of a rook at 4.5 instead of 5? Think back to the last time you had a queen vs 2 rooks game. If there were multiple loose pawns on the board for you to pick up, then you won, as the rooks were too clumsy to coordinate. If the position was almost completely locked up with only a few open files, then their rooks infiltrated by force and won the game. If the rooks were passive and only defended pawns, you won. If the queen was passive and only defended pawns, you lost.
Half the time, a queen is better than two rooks, so rook value was adjusted to be 4.5.
Edit:
ruclips.net/video/peyW-jGXIOI/видео.html
A properly defended bishop pair outclasses the queen, especially if there are no pawns on the four central squares. Bishop pair, plus 4. Bishop pair, defended by active rook or knight, with unopposed central control, plus 8 (esp if it can escort a pawn).
this is a really good explanation, thanks
Antonio is so knowledgeable that it’s funny. He will say something casual like “I think this was only played once before, I’m not sure, and if I’m not mistaken it was played on December 21st 1889 between such and such player at the Acropolis coffee shop and they were both drinking matcha tea.” LOL
Dont want to burst your bubble, but he usually prepares his vids, he looks up the database for tournament games and sees if the opening position has already been played or not. If it was played in the past, he looks up the game's result and sees wether black or white won.
@@trendy10s36 i think you totally bursted his bubble.
Anass Monteblanca Don’t want to burst your bubble, but I was employing something called humour. Look it up the way Agad looks up the games and tell me if you or I won. Hint: you didn’t.
Is that where the Parthenon is?
@@dimitrioskyriazis3817 It's only humorous if you don't understand how the videos are actually made. Because if you understand that he literally just looked the game up, it is no longer funny or surprising that he remembers it. Right?
Not sure if you're just trying to be humorous again here.
What I learned from all these new alpha zero games...
Knight< bishops
That's cuz this is bobby playing
knight and bishop are rather equal at some point but having a bishop pair is certainly far more interesting than knight pair, especially at open games and playing at both sides in the endgame
There was one game where alpha zero devastated stockfish using its knights.
@@adiadiadi333 Yeah but also several games (including this one) where alpha used the bishop pair to destroy stockfish.
@@kulkidspin7691 well, knights are better in closed and bishops in opne games. Now try to compare forcing a position to close to forcing a position to open. You can force a position where the bishop is better than the knight much more often than vice verca, so the knight is (in my opinion) inferior.
also the bishop can travel faster, can control more squares and doesn't suffer nearly as much from being badly placed.
Just saw this game at Anna Rudolf's. Felt like I'm cheating on Agadmator.
I hope people check it out. Her commentary is nice to listen to.
Also Daniel King commentated on it at first, his analysis is pretty nice
I actually liked her video a little better, talking about the mystery behind Alpha Zeros multiple pawn sacrifices without any apparent compensation.
I was going to say the same thing! But I actually got a lot out of both videos. Anna highlighted the apparent strangeness with the pawn movement and the lack of attacking at certain points by AZ. I really like when Agad shows why different moves were not played though, like the line he talks through at 5:50. Its amazing to see that AZ and SF are playing so far into the future like this with every move
LOL, I first saw the game there too, and felt the same way.
It's like watching games of Tal being on steroids...
Or just sober 😊
@@vladavasiljev we will never know what brillliancies Tal could've created, had he been sober. Fischer would've never become world champion and maybe sacrifices would now be part of modern opening theory
@@Tobi-pn2xs Fischer would definetely become world champion either way.
This is more like watching Morphy vs the legendary 19th century GM NN, where NN keeps getting checkmated in 15 moves
@@Tobi-pn2xs you're wrong about fisher
Alpha zero is "The TAL" playing from heaven.....
And Stockfish is Fisher playing from hell
@@nickshtenikov1261 Talpha Zero vs. StockFischer
This is my favorite RUclips thread of all time 💜
lol...
@@ytmndman legendary
That has to be the greatest bishop pair to ever grace a chess board.. This game epitomises the true power of the bishops. It's resulted in me watching this video over 5 times.
19:46 "Captures captures captures ... Everything captures" :D I need a T-shirt with that line !!!
Me too
Me too..!
The reason people love watching Alpha Zero so much is because human players constantly try to imitate engines. Alpha is the one that is doing things differently, doing new interesting things, destroying the meta so to speak. The desire to watch humans act as subpar engines is much less vs. watching Alpha, who is honestly playing more human-like, just on a much higher level.
Valkyrie Regalia uh ok
Jusy because it makes strange and out of the ordinary moves for a computer DOES NOT mean it plays like a Human.
The only thing that makes a player a human is the ability to make mistakes. This thing makes humans look like Chimps.
19:46
“Captures captures captures, everything captures.” Agadmator- 2018
The beauty of Alpha is that it shows us that chess is much more than just structured positions and theory. Creativity and risk still wins the day, if it is properly planned and executed. This is why I love chess.
Finally learnt chess. Can't believe that I was playing wrong all that time. I thought pushing pawns in front of king was not good as it exposed king but I missed that castling my king behind pawns already on 4th and 5th rank was winning.
Now I know how to win. Hold my bear Fabi, let me show you it is done. Where is magnus?
Have fukn being crushed by 1100s online :D
"Finally learnt chess. Can't believe that I was playing wrong all that time."
I was taught chess at one point when I was young, but I vaguely recall Castling as an actual move, I especially never heard of En Passant when I was a kid. so that tells you how much I knew before coming into this channel. Castling does look like a made-up move as an excuse, to get the King into the corner. I amuse myself by picturing the King and Rook doing a dance around each other as they get to their squares. ;)
@@gredangeo me too when I was young I thougt castling is an excuse xd
I, as a kid, castled cuz I thought it was cool to move two pieces at the same time and to confuse my opponents cuz they didn't know what it was😂
@@Tobi-pn2xs I believe castling is one of the most charming things about chess when we were kids, seems like a cheat code to move two pieces in one turn :)))
8:24 wait, so none of that just happened?! 😹😹
Agadmator played an entire game and then realized that all of it hinged on one pawn capture that didn’t happen😂
10:16
"White will release the power of the dark square bishop"
I cannot believe how cool that sounded xD
It was so epic
HahahaHA
Read it in a british accent
The POWER of the dark side *vader fist*
It would be super awesome to have a graphic for stockfish evaluation after every move. It'd be interested to see when stockfish thinks it has the advantage.
Stockfish: (registers AlphaZero as opponent) evaluates as -0.5 from White before first move played.
You can punch in Alpha Zero moves into your Stockfish engine. Stockfish is free
@@paxpacis2 where can i download it?
@@AnnXYZ666 It's on Lichess and chess.com
Alpha zero: exists
Basic fundamentals of Chess: am I a joke to you?
I am always amazed how little AlphaZero seems to care about being down several pawns. It always keeps Stockfish off balance to the point where it doesn’t have any useful pawn breaks and just slowly gets smothered until its position is so awful that Alpha gets its material and then some back by force. It’s almost like Alpha is playing a different game
Stockfish, Phillidor and every other chess players:
No No you can't push pawns too hight your pawn structure will be weak and you will lose the game!!!
AlphaZero: Haha pawns go brrr
You absolutely can, I believe. Saw this in a Fischer vs. Smyslov game once. Three white pawns going high.
Sad how Alpha Zero plays more and more human-like and we have humans trying to memorize computer lines
Borat Sagdiyev It seem so
Borat? Shouldn’t you be kidnapping Pamela Anderson or something...
Yes, human-like playing is powerful, being more imaginative and creatively aggressive, but only if you have the infallible precision of an engine...
It doesn't play like a human at all... it has innumerable entire games and decision trees already active in memory.
@@Camcolito it plays in a way that reflects great games of the past where moves were played that intuitively felt like they'd gain an advantage & then calculated from the opponent's next move to see what advantage could be gained. Also it learned all those innumerable lines by doing just that, just playing lines & seeing where they went, which is why it 'feels' like it plays in a manner which is more human.
Thanks
Please do all the Alpha Zero, the most gorgeous thing ever!
One of the absolute best attacking games that I have ever seen. It's extremely fascinating to see Alpha's persistent attack and Stockfish's ALMOST equally tenacious defence.
Please show as many of Alpha's games as you can. 😊
I'm glad to have learned that all those times I messed up my pawn structure, I was really just playing like a supercomputer. Well, except for the tiny difference at the end where I don't win.
The comment section of this channel is just so perfect, rare, meme, fun, supportive, everything that is good, and that is that
sucks to be early: no comments to scroll through
focus on game then :) that's pure joy
That just means you have to create some ;)
It also sucks to be late because all the good comments are already taken.
11 month gang
Sucks to be 2 years late because no one will look at your new comment
I like how you actually listen and produce what your audience wants. Not just these Alpha comments, but you also made that poll for next series and so on. Your like to dislike ratio shows that it really is working for you. Keep up the good work!
The perfect development of pieces gives AlphaZero a rook advantage for most of the beginning of the game.
The thing I like about these videos is that he actually shows us variations that could occur and why they didn't.
Honestly alpha makes bishops look like rocks...They are monsters.
What a wonderful game. Can we all take a moment to appreciate that until 31 moves in, black's light bishop and A rook were not in the game. Alpha makes stockfish play with less pieces even without capturing them. Masterpiece!
You open with C4.
Alpha zero: you fool I was waiting for this move all my life.
At 8:13 is this really a better position for white? The h and g pawns look very hard to stop. Also "prophylactic move" your vocabulary is so impressive. I've never head you misuse or mispronounce a word ever.
10:16 You don't know the power of the dark square bishop :D
"captures captures captures, everything captures and that's that"
love with this attitude, man
10:14 "...release the power of the black square bishop!"😂❤️
Why everybody like that wht's happen with that sentence!
"So basically you want to overextend your pawn structure on the queen side and mess up your pawn structure on the king's side and you will have a very nice game. That is what basically Alpha is teaching us" - Agadmator
I get the feeling he doesn't buy into the idea that Alpha Go is revealing deeper truths of the game... Love the videos, keep at em, and love your coverage of AlphaZero. I know you don't like covering it, but I think I speak for most of us when I say I appreciate every such video.
There are some matches were stockfish managed to defeat alpha zero
Can you Please analyze those games sir ?
I mean it with complete amazement when I say this is the best video I’ve watched of yours so far. Letting us understand such amazing games is really amazing
Have there been any games released where AlphaZero plays against AlphaZero?
Superb analysis. I love seeing the unplayed variations which most would play, albeit lose with, and find out why they are inferior. And showing the computer's strategic ideas like that king march at the end really illustrate what is happening.
I really wish the bots didn't resign games, I feel like I never learn anything about the endgame because every game ends in a resignation.
19:45 "captures captures captures everything is captured and that is that" YOU ARE GREAT WITH THIS QUOTES
I wish Tal, Fischer, Morphy, Botvinnik, Capablanca could see this game. I wish Karpov could too, but he can. Fantastic game. and brilliant commentary as always. Thank you.
Well, Kasparov was very impressed and pleased with AlphaZero.
Afternoon, you are really good at analyzing, remembering lines from old games and a great teacher, you should be in the top 100 world wide.
I'm sure you are around 2600, you have a good understanding of moves and can tap into other player's minds(AI's included).
You are doing a great job.
Thanks for an amazing channel. Please keep up the good work.
Even in these supercomputer matches, I'd love to see you expand on some lines which may initially seem like a fine idea. For example, when watching this video at 12:31 I initially thought "that's not that bad if you can trade your queen for the 2 rooks while giving check", until I saw the third move in 1. Qc6 Rxg1 2.Qxh6 Rxc1+ 3. Bxc1 a second later.
12:47 doesn't necessarily look like the ultimate winning position for white either. Simply execute the same idea; 1. Bd4 Rxg1 then either 2. Qxh6 Rxc1+ or 2. Bxg1 Qxc6 3. Rxc6 .. seems kind of okay for black (at least on the surface).
I had the same feeling a bit earlier in the video; at the position in 4:17, I would think e5 is a fine move that counters everything you mentioned in the video. For example: 1. .. e5 2. c5 dxc5 3. dxe5 Nxe5 4. Qxc5 Nf3+ 5. Bxf3 Qxb2 seems fine for black, so that would be an interesting line to see explained in this video.
I understand that the game played here is WAYYYYYY more advanced than I can possibly understand, but it would be very interesting to see some lines that are now glossed over as "black not being to be able to do anything else" still explained in a bit more detail.
Thanks for more alpha zero analysis, I think that chess being played at its highest potential is always enticing to watch!
15:56 Those bishops thou! 😱
You have turned me into a huge chess fan. Your analysis and commentary is amazing. You deserve tremendous success and recognition for bringing the game of chess to the mass audience on RUclips. Congratulations on having one of my favorite channels, I spend a disproportionate amount of time watching your videos.
One nice thing, Antonio, about having a chess channel is that you'll never run out of games to show us! LOL
honestly that was one of if not the must interesting chess i ever witness
*HELLO EVERYONE!* ..... (beautiful commentary followed by oddly satisfying moving chess piece sounds)
0:53 just keeps going with out a single hint of shake in the voice. Well done. Well done.
14:57 This Bishop pair⚔️⚔️ is like an upgraded 👑Queen⚡⚡⚡
The title is excellent 👌 that Bishop pair ⚔️ is too strong 💪💪
I’ve rewatched your alpha zero videos so many times I can’t even count love this
Chad Alpha Zero vs. Virgin Stockfish
Your video's are awesome dude. I was at 850 when I started watching your videos and Finegold's videos. Now in a couple months I am almost 1300 and climbing. You are a good teacher.
*Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but sometimes, playing a poor hand well.*
Wise words. And it led me to check out your channel and see similar life-advice material. Subbed :)
@@sidgar1 Thanks man! :)
Wow what an amazing chess presenter... absolutely love your run through of these games. Bravo!
When I told Woody Harrelson that I was playing AlphaZero and asked him to make the first move for me, he pulled the white rook backwards off the board by one space.
The problem is that, in all these matches, Alpha Zero's hardware was considerably stronger than Stockfish', as far as I'm aware, even in the latest ones. Software brilliance aside, computers need extremely powerful processors to be efficient. You can argue, that all things being equal, the latesy Stockfish, with Montecarlo analysis, is still more effective than A0, by computing combinations with sheer force.
stockfish doesn't use a mcts
2:19 looks good 😂🤣
19:48 captures, captures, captures and everything captures♥️♥️♥️
A0 vs SF8 series is a very nice move. I'm just sitting back and enjoying the show!
What I like about this game is how Alpha shifts attacks back and forth between the queen side of the board and the king side. Pushing the Q-side pawns enabled mobilizing pieces from side to side. Luring SF to waste moves with a knigt bouncing around and then an unassisted queen made use of black to open up the king side while neglecting development of his own pieces.
This game should be listed in the sorcery series.
I heard there was an AlphaZero Evans Gambit game. Please show it, if it exists.
Robert Hansen it was one of the starting positions in the TCEC
@@michaelvanzyl9418 What is the TCEC?
@@krys3001 Top Chess Engine Championship
Man thx for your channel you explain things in a very understandable way I love this channel
So, do we have a, "Captures, captures, captures... everything captures!" shirt yet?? because my debit card wants it 😂😂😂
Nikada nidam uživao u šahu kao gledajuci Alphu.Nevjerojatno.
The Alpha Plan:
1. Play 1. Nf3
2. Sacrifice all of the pawns or a knight if you feel like it
3. ????
4. Win
The fact that it took a few minutes to explain just how dirty that Rg3 move was is part of why we're hooked on machine games. You have to see ideal play so far ahead in order to make sense of it
AlphaZero moves are stunning! How much elo does it have?
all of it
lmao @@guycxz
Agadmator, please keep posting these engine games. We live in such an incredible time to watch emerging AI crush the world’s premier chess engines with such ease. I’m sure I speak for many of us when I say it’s amazing to see these games, and see these engines continuing to evolve the way chess is played.
Alphazero always waits for stockfish to castle king side and time and time again this seems to be Stockfish biggest mistake puts pressure on the kings three pawns and boxes Black king into the corner
Four deadly combinations: (1) open g file (castling is not always required) (2) bishop pair zooming in on the King side (3) active pieces, and (4) domination in the centre. The rest almost just fell into place. It's amazing how strategies found by human play over centuries are confirmed by a machine that literally only taught itself to play without any access to human teachings whatsoever.
*Impossible!*
Bishops should be from Heaven!
We love AlphaZero. Thank you for videos on this topic. It also allowing me to improve not only my chess skills, but also practice in English. Great job!
15:29 black queen comes to alpha queen requesting a ceasefire while still eyeing the pawn...
Alpha queen: nope, you dont seem to have come here in good faith.
Stockfish queen : no no, in good faith i ask you.
Alpha queen: then, why are you eyeing my pawn. You suck. No ceasefire. Annihilation you will see. Snipers !!! Bomb the fortress..
LoL you have a great imagination
its good to finally see a computer play aggressive and risky.. i taught my daughter how to play chess when she was 8 and as she played more she throws pawns up the board sacking them just to open the position and it got her to 2150 rating before she just quit playing
4:50 'Comes with a tempo on the pawn'
You are the best if I knew you actually read comments I would have requested more alpha games. I love hearing “and at this point stockfish resigned” pure joy.
who is dreaming to play like Alpha zero against grandmaster 😂
And it was in this position, that stockfish 8 said "what is the point, what is my purpose?", to which alphazero replied "you pass butter."
Captures, captures, captures, everything's captures, and . . . that is that. So yeah : )
"Release the power of the dark square bishop"
Sounds like a power metal band about chess!
Never been so early, like for depression surpass support
I wish they didn't resign. I really enjoy watching good checkmating patterns, especially AlphaZero's
Who is the world champion?
Rashid Nezhmetdinov
The winner
I'm a huge English/Reti Opening enthusiast and these games make me so happy.