Can I just say, huge props to Theo for not pretending to be a know-it-all and actually listening, asking questions, and saying "okay" whenever he learns something new. Too few people do that these days
Yeah he's that influential and that well-connected by being unable to hold a conversation. And Joe Rogan chose him for to talk about this for no good reason.... Half of America thinks he's one of them. Myself included. He's showing everybody we should be asking the same questions with the same concern and disgust. Fox News is out. Those women with their Chanel jackets pontificating out loud, have no idea what they're talking about or who the average tiktok user is. I've never had tiktok. It's so bad.
As a kid I can remember ppl saying that computers were like giant spy devices to monitor you. I can remember thinking they were crazy and paranoid. Twenty some years later it's actually worse than what those ppl were saying.
I hear ya. It is the biggest mistake to think "things can't get that crazy." Evil is real and it festers in darkness. If this seems crazy, it's just the tip of the iceberg.
The military was listening to people through their microwaves a long long time ago, because it’s similar to radio waves, I figured if they can do that then they can use our TVs against us too.
I love how Joe explains things, he doesn't talk to the guest like they're stupid, he doesn't rub it in their face, he just explains it slowly and patiently.
Got off Facebook over six years ago and never had Instagram, Twitter, and I'll be damned to allow myself to be dumbed down by TikTok. That app is making society more stupid by the hour.
Yet here you are on RUclips… nearly the same thing.. only difference is the videos have a time limit on tiktok. Imagine being so smooth brained that you think a video sharing app makes people dumb.
Good for you, as a fellow FB abandoner, if you read the ToS of other companies and apps such as Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. They collect this same information.
@@Keys879 I'm aware. I was talking with my wife the other morning about a coffee alternative called mud water. Later that day, she was scrolling through Facebook and there was an advertisement for it. She had never heard of it before I told her.
@James Page Its a very hidden form of addiction. They figured out how to get people, especially younger people, addicted to quick dopaminergic hits. Even if its' stupid, they keep swiping. YT shorts are no different.
Ditto! Left FB when creepy Joe had his sham inauguration and haven't been on since. Never had all that other crap either, never will. It's all garbage meant to rot your brain and get you hooked
I'm shocked how we went from almost banning the app to now seeing their advertisements on TV, NBA Courts, etc. People doing stupid dances...the stupid "challenges" that people do and even end up dying...can't believe so many parents are okay with their kids on it...smh
Joe doesn't interview people though. His show has always been conversations. It's part of what people enjoy about it - sometimes he talks more, sometimes he talks less, all depends on the context and how inquisitive he's trying to be. I've noticed with his comedian buddies he tends to talk more but if he has an author or scientist on he's a lot more respectful of making sure they have time to share their thoughts etc. For all the flak he gets, he's a great conversationalist.
Whatever you say to Theo, he says “OK”, like he’s following. Then he changes the subject: “What do they do when people die over there? Do they bury them or do they not care?”
@@dankmatter3068 I’ve lived here for 10 years and I definitely would not say that. The government however is obviously shady and that’s no secret in any country.
I love to see this getting out to more people. I’m 20 and have been telling all of my friends since TikTok started that nothing good will come from it and I’ve always been skeptical of it. They’ve all called me crazy for it.
The TOS is all the exact same across most of the apps we use. That's not by accident. Tik tok only stands out because it is a Chinese owned company but it’s a small part of the bigger picture. Tencent is behind almost every app you use, including tik tok. They are large investors/part owners in pretty much every social media app/website. Tencent is also a Chinese owned company and under chinas new laws, they must share all there information with the government. This was all part of a bigger plan. Tencent is owned by the Chinese government, Tencent monitors everything we do through every app. It’s much scarier if you really look into it.
One reason for collecting this much data about every person might also have something to do with analyzing consumer patterns, the people's political orientation and for tracking movement around the country. They can analyze the population's behavior in order to do better political decisions, or if they are trying to influence the population, they can analyze the data to see if their tactic works and the list goes on. I mean, the opportunities are endless if you know that much about a country and if you can influence its population using your nicely engineered social media app that gets everyone addicted.
The crazy part about it is that they're openly getting away with crime because people consent to this without realizing or caring in order to use the damn thing. What they're doing is completely legal, as criminal as it is. It's evil genius. The entertainment is not worth the cost of your privacy and likely others you are connected to.
Either I'm to stupid or to old (32) for tiktok. I once had it, for Like 3 days, it was so boring that i deleted it. Same with Snapchat, Twitter and Facebook. I Love Instagram for online Shopping tho, i've found Shops i wouldn't have found otherwise.
I'm 38 and very oldskool. I avoid ALL of this social media trash like the plague. I'm a human being while most people are robots. There aren't many human beings like myself out there anymore. RUclips (obviously) is as far as I'll go as far as screwing around online is concerned. Keep your private info FAR AWAY from that online social media trash. Sorry, not sorry.
I spent like four days looking at it, during the first Covid issue. Once I saw how advanced the propaganda was, I immediately deleted it ! I’ll never pull it up again !
People really underestimate how much you can do with enough data on a person. First of all, think of ALL the things you've searched. It could be medical conditions, curiosities, sexual interests, whatever. That's one thing they would snatch up. Next, there's a common use for big data, that is to combined all data on you to make a profile, like a digital version of everything you think, do, want etc. Major corporations usually use that for advertising (Let's put aside the morality of that for now). Now, all that data tracking everything about you, knowing how to make you tick, how to play into your fears, what you want to hear, what you don't... ALL of that can be used to create algorithms. Those algorithms will then be used to MANIPULATE you in every way in everything you do. Most people have NO clue just how much manipulation they are exposed to on a daily basis. And to think of that being in the hands of an authoritarian regime, whose stated goals are to control everything and everyone. To overwhelm the democratic countries and to extend their ideas and authority into the world. THAT IS FUCKING FRIGHTENING.
Not just TikTok but all social media can change your mood, thoughts, beliefs, ideals, etc by what it feeds you. I believe the biggest effect is distraction…
Very true. Sadly Google has already been doing it for our own government, for years. One of the founders tried to cover up the fact that they can track every search made, for years. Long enough that when it was revealed, no one cared.
I appreciate a beautiful woman as much as the next guy but to me TikToc just seems like a bunch of THOTs dancing like strippers. Being hot is not a talent. I scrolled through looking for cool content and 70 percent of the submissions were girls dancing. I wanted a talent show but got a pg rated strip club. TikTok is a toxic cesspool with little redeeming qualities.
But strangely not about US ownership of their TikTok Global with almost all Americans on the board. Ev en Wwalmart has a stake. Just ask siri about American investment in TikTok.
They put it in TOS is the user fault for not reading it and just checking the check box . There a lot of other social media platform they do the same thing and not telling you, atleast tiktok is transparent
Haha I was thinking the same thing. This guy seems like an airhead. "You talkin' bout flip phones?"..... "Why do they wanna spy on us though?".... where is this dude from? Lol
Its called "parroting". Gets the information essentially said twice so the audience is more likely to have digested the information. Theo is not dumb. It's his character shtick that's he's very good at. Hes gotta play it. He repeats in different format or asks questions for confirmation to make sure the information is heard. Joe has a huge platform. He knows how to use it without getting canceled or sued. Most comedians are good at covert delivery of important information shrouded in jokes and naivete or self deprecation. George Carlin is The primary example.
Please have one episode with an expert going over every major social medias privacy policies to expose every social medias “Privacy Policies” and explain how each is vulnerable to give everyone a chance to wake up to the freedoms they give away. It is in no way limited to TikTok unfortunately.
If they did that you'll be seeing many familiar US companies in that list. Every company that provides a "free" version tracks your info to earn from you.
there is a diffarance between the data. both USA and china uses your Data for evil but China is just the bigger evil of the two. while USA has to atleast atempt to follow human rights laws. china has no such obligation att all.
@@rampage3337 what is the connection with human right laws. This is more about not letting China collect data on their people through TikTok. The US doesn't bother as long as they are the ones collecting your data.
The data they collect can also be used to reverse engineer someones 2 factor authentication. Which is especially dangerous if they target high level government employees.
I'm sure one of their main targets it trying to acquire all data on quantum computing developments and encryption considering the power and speed of such devices to process data and protect info.
Do you have any idea how many "front" corporations US agencies have in other countries, including China??? DARPA/CIA created the internet. They created all of the social media platforms including Google, Instagram, Alphabet, etc., Amazon & more to surveil and manipulate the public. Of course they want ALL of our data in order to target citizens who resist the tyranny of the federal puppets put in charge by the corporate/banking elites. China, nor Russia is an enemy. In fact, they collaborate with the US to profit the elites and politicians along with the countless private corporations and banks profiting from weaponizing viruses/pathogens, drugs, vaccines, the highly toxic 5G proliferation, as well as those who are part of the military industrial complex. ALL media is controlled by agencies. While this site does provide accurate information, the bigger picture is never addressed; thus, this is controlled opposition like Project Veritas and others. Meanwhile, as they collect data, they continue whitewashing or deleting sites with evidence of crimes against humanity involving US govt while funding fake "documentaries", websites, and mainstream media to push their lies and propaganda. Considering the trail of bodies (researchers, doctors, witnesses, victims, reporters/journalists, mil personnel, whistleblowers, etc.), it is also much safer for Roman to stick to the narrative.
Same. Truly a genuine person and naturally funny storyteller. I will never forget the time he told the story about him locking himself out his apartment high on coke at 3/4 AM with his blender going off and him having to knock on his landlords door 😂😂
I love how he actually seeked out this information instead of going off another persons words. I’m not great at doing this at all but we should all try to do this more.
@@JupeGiggles HAHA bro, i haven’t got a clue what you said anymore. But the funny thing is that I’m born in 2004 as well. Happy birthday for tomorrow brother, mine’s not til July. Happy 20th, not too long til the big 21
Just goes to show how toxic and dangerous these apps really are then dont it. I myself am a parent. I have a 7 year old daughter who currently owns 2 tabs and a smart phone (without sim cards) that all contain apps that keep her glued to the dam things all hours of the day when she is not at school or eating her meals. Much to the disaproval of me... but her mother thinks this is all fine as its what all kids have/doo and if she didnt she would get bullied at school !? Yet my partners eldest girl (from a different relationship in the past) who just turned 19 cuts herself regular as clockwork but mutalating herself is not enough as she also walks around with no selfasteam her head constantly down (some times even at the dinner table) grew up the same way... But i digress, my daughters situation is ok as its normal and just because i dont use fb any more or any other social media apps other than youtube and whatsapp im just out of touch and need not be concerned with things i dont use or approve of. Long story short i often argue with my partner over this subject. Boils my piss lol...
First off, I love Theo. His podcast work is amazing, 2nd to none. But he’s got you fooled if you think he’s not trying to be funny. Why else do think it takes him so long to get his words out a lot of the time? It’s cuz he’s coming up with it on the spot as he goes. He’s def naturally funny but a lot of his stories are either exaggerated or made up entirely all thought up as he goes. I’ve seen him use different names for the ppl in the same story from podcast to podcast. He def tries REAL hard, too hard sometimes. I can almost tell when he’s back using cocaine based off of how well he flows.
@@jimmynovak7913 Well mate I said he doesnt try to be intellectual(or show knowledge in a subject he diesnt know shit about). He is a comedian he has to try to be funny, you know? I have watched Theo since I was like 16(now Im 20) and its been really great to see him evolve frim rookie to established
@@thevanicant5364 Ah I misread what you said there, my bad. Having a slow reading comprehension morning I guess. Lol Theo’s great man. To me he’s the best, everyone else is fighting for second place. Lol
what Theo is talking about when he describes the "abandoned" high rises are not actually abandoned at all but properties that were built in anticipation of high real-estate demand because owning property is one of the few things the Chinese people can do to invest into retirement. They are having a huge housing crash similar to our 2008 right now and thats why they are parking tanks in front of banks... people are trying to pull their money out and they are defaulting on loans on purpose as a means of protest. Things are getting pretty crazy over there. RUclips tries to censor a lot of the videos about the topic or demonetize/age restrict. Keep talking about it boys :)
They over produced real estate/infrastructure to inflate their GDP and yes the investing in real estate in china is what all the rich do. It's one of the few things they have control over
Worked for a mid sized company that had nonconsumer operations in China. Even our stuff was fully replicated for purchase on Chinese websites. Stuff you just wouldn't expect anyone to waste their time ripping off. Funny thing is... our Chinese workers in the USA refused to buy any tools or things from China. In their words, "It terrible quality!" lol
The CCP have NO BALLS. You can model yourself and steal until you're blue in the face, but all they are is a good enemy for us. I'm glad they do what they do. They can't innovate because you have to use imagination and free thought to do so.
Asians so honest they telling you what they are doing up front. Meanwhile Facebook, IG, Twitter, has been doing it for years but they'll just say "data breach" when they sell it to other people. Its hilarious. The corporations and government is not your friend. No matter what country you're in.
Yep. My brand new $3,000 fridge lasted less than 5 years. My $1500 washer lasted less than 3. We are now using my husband's parents' old fridge that we took to put in our garage as a back up. We picked up an old kenmore washer for free that someone put out for trash. Both work fine, and I don't care that they don't look new if they effing do their job. I will not buy appliances like dime bags. I do not care if it is inconvenient or if people have an issue with it, I work too hard for my money to be made a chump by these sellouts. I hope the big brands who ran off to kiss China's ass get it all taken by the CCP, so we can start some new companies and get back to value and quality. Then they have the nerve to push this green new deal bullshit, while shipping in appliances made of dollar store plastic from a country who hates us, so they can grow the golden goose middle class they slaughtered here at home. All of them will be lucky to escape with their heads, if Americans can pull their heads out of their own retarded asses in time. Cheers!
Joe wasn’t gonna let Theo get off track 😂 Theo’s brain is like herding cats. Joe was fighting to keep that convo on track. 😂 I love Theo dude is funny but joe is serious when on his podcast.
Theo just isn't grasping the severity is he People say hes intelligent and funny hes just a stupid guy who says outrageous thoughts he has with no filter that amuses the audience hes among
BTW this is one of the reasons why I put JRE over all other podcasts I absolutely love. On other podcasts comics come prepared to do and say funny stuff, and on JRE they just arrive and there's not that much pressure to do a successful funny act, and yet they rarely fail. And we learn a bunch! Sidenote: I wish Theo was more often on Joe Rogan Experience!
@@Thawhid I am listening to the entire episode right now on Spotify. I paused at 21 minutes to respond to you. He has already completely controlled the Convo and crushed most of Theos jokes by talking about; the eviction moratorium in CA being bad, universal income being bad, how a good guy with a gun would more often be the case if more people bought and carried guns, and tried to convince Theo to buy a third gun since he only has 2. 21 minutes in so far. They haven't even got to the Tik Tok part yet. Coincidentally, Spotify and Tik Tok have specifically been talked about in many tech articles and magazines and that they are in competition for Gen Z audience (which more audience means moremoney) If you won't even consider that this podcast has slowly morphed into one long form propaganda program, then good luck to you
I am always impressed, and slightly concerned, by how easily I find myself watching Reels or Shorts endlessly. I don't do TikTok, and most of the stuff seems to get put onto YT and IG anyway, but man. I go to look at my phone for like 5 minutes, all of a sudden I'm there for an hour + pissing time away. Shit is the devil lol
For sure. Not impressed tho, more like disappointed with myself lol. Im glad I came across this tho because I thought about starting a channel for the family dog, smh, I know that is pretty cliche but the dude is really such a character I can't see people NOT laughing at alot of the shit he does. Especially when compared to the other video on there lmao. But I agree, its easy to flip through them and lose track of time.💯
I lived in there for 6 years, Joe is on point in what he is saying. It’s wild, 90% of apps that have access to outside of the country are banned, I had to have a VPN
fun fact: facebook knows almost all of your browsing history and activity on websites... even without an account or having ever having visited facebook. how? you know that "like on fb" or "share on fb" button on websites? those buttons actually run a script that reports back to fb info about your activity. and it's been figured out how to generate a digital "fingerprint" of your device just by visiting a website, so even if you never visited facebook, moved to a new country, cleared your all your browsing data... they can still theoretically match you to a private, auto-generated profile of you. unless multiple people use your device, not sure how that'd work but i'm sure they have something figured out for that.
I did the same, but I realized the other day that I use the free version of AVG which for sure tracks my shit, and not to mention all the other various apps. It's got to be nearly all of them at this point. I'm not too sure what the solution is.
@@insigniamalignia haven't had FB installed on the past 3 three phones. Haven't like a post in over 5 years. Everything FB has on me is outdated at this point.
1:35 it doesn't really mean they can suck data off your other computers but it does give them the right to associate the information on the devices that you log in with to other devices that you may not have used for TikTok if they for whatever reason have collected that data through a third party source or through logging I previously. Essentially they can compare your behaviors on your different devices. So essentially any device that you used to log into tick tock they have full access to everything about that device and all of your personal files. And they also have the right to compare any of that information to any other devices that you've used to log into Tic Tac in the past or information on other devices they may have acquired through outside sources.
All this is in the hands of the CCP. An organization that has enslaved and killed the innocent Chinese people and has plans to spread to other global civilizations.
I don't see how what you're saying is different to what Joe said. If you have ever logged into Tik Tok on a device, they instantly have anything they want from it, wether it be data about usage of the app or unrelated external files on the device. That's what you're saying right?
It’s not just Tik Tok I believe it’s even apps made here in the U.S people just don’t read the TOS including me. There’s a reason why they make the Terms of Service and Conditions so long because nobody will think of reading it they’ll just click through it.
I read the terms of service. As a result, I don't even have banking apps. That being said, I've never had fraudulent activity on any of my payment methods. I work in billing. The number of people who have frequent fraudulent activity on their accounts is terrifying.
All apps. There is a race going on between corporations. Sorry, not race. It's a war. The war of information. It's been going on since 90s, and now it's more dangerous because now they can track everyone and anyone 24/7.
Absolutely. The money big tech makes on the actual products they sell is basically nothing compared to the money made from the data they collect. Why do you think Elon bought Twitter? He needs the data to develop his AI and he needs it uncensored.
Wrong. Not even close lol... Most apps just collect superficial data for ad purposes, they don't have fucking keyloggers and other spyware, adware, trackers or web beacons LITERALLY BUILD INTO THEM like TikTok does...
As a seasoned software engineer: Tik Tok is one of the absolute BEST pieces of software ever invented. It's resilient, it never goes down, there are never any issues with the app, flawless business model & it's incredibly addicting. You just keep scrolling and scrolling and scrolling until you find the next video that can give you that dopamine rush you're looking for. Talking from experience - this is no different than sniffing coke. Once you bag is done, you call the dealer to get another bag in order to feel that rush of dopamine that you felt when you sniffed for the first time that day. Yes, I sniff coke occasionally (not proud of it) and I'm telling you this no different from using the app. Also, just to make things clear: Tik Tok isn't the only app that steals all of your info. 99% of iOS and Android apps do the exact same thing but they're more discreet about it. The difference between those apps and Tik Tok is that Tik Tok is very addicting while the other app aren't at all which why you never hear about the other apps. IMO, Tik Tok is a very, VERY dangerous drug and it should be labeled as such. Trump did the right thing when he said he wanted to get rid of it. It's seriously damaging the development of children at a pace and at a caliber mankind has never witnessed before while the company cashes in their billions of dollars.
How do you know TikTok isn’t as invasive as it’s made out to be? Is it as invasive as Facebook was during its golden era of ads, more so, or less so? If you have the answers
Wow, my heart dropped when he said key stroke logger. I knew there was some fishy stuff going on, but I didn't realize it was on THAT level. These kids are just blindly walking into a trap without any idea what's going on.
I literally got laughed at by my family last night for this. My fucking niece made a joke about the ccp stealing my info and my family just thought it was hilarious.
@@mekler6406 fair point, I think I thought there would be some level of accountability, regulation, or oversight, but that was probably wishful thinking
The thing is I've seen a movie where people were stealing data on apps that you download and the money that they make of stealing data is very cruel they even steal credit card money everything which its true after Facebook every social media apps and games steal all the data from u
@@hurricanehubbs9459 do not trust any buisness with your info. they can and will use ANY information about you, as well as store it. google and facebook are the worst, but i personally treat every company the same. fuck these massive companies.
This is a perfect example of two guys in the same room having two completely different conversations. One's talking about cell phones the other ones talking about a gas station
@@seetheanimal5867 that is social media. Facebook does the same. Facebook owns instagram. It isn’t the government either it’s people like mike. Zuckerberg
The end goal is to use private information "data" to predict human behavior in order to have complete control over living men, women and children. Ultimately to control thought.
@@swoops41 yes that's today's reasonable excuse, but think about where this type of data collection goes over the next 30 years with constantly improving supercomputers and AI.
5:55 before I go any further. As a retired electronic technician I can co-sign what he just said. Not just their phones but Bluetooth dongles and services as well. 1 Bluetooth service (headsets) was introduced in the US market widely in late 2003 early 2004. However it's been available since 98/99 but consumers couldn't buy it. BUT what they didn't know was the other services such as audio gateway, object push, file transfer, modem, monitor, and keyboard services all where available and active without one's knowledge. This was Bluetooth VS 1.0. I trained the very 1st Data Support Team for Cingular Wireless aka AT&T. Huawei phones had so much going on in the background it was just crazy and consumers never knew. The range of frequency was/is actually very impressive, tapping into Not only GSM but CDMA and even TDMA and Analog. Cingular Wireless and Nokia offered a phone that would do both TDMA and GSM, model 6340 (if I remember correctly) and was very proud of it. I just laughed. What is being sold NEW in stores today is so far outdated it's ridiculous.
Yep I know you`re not lying because most people don`t know the technology that is sold in Apple iphones today as the next best thing were in fact invented in the late 80`s. It wasn`t that popular back in the 0`s because BOll Gates was so big he put Steve Jobs pretty much out of business, but Microsoft got sued by the government Antirust department for being too big in the 90`s, he had to ask Steve Jobs to come back into business so Microsoft would be under the 30% threshold requirement.
Did you ever use Bluetooth 1.0? It was terrible and barely worked. All those things you listed are called Bluetooth profiles (see wikipedia), and just because the phone/device advertises it doesn't mean it can do much with it (and software was so primitive back then it didn't work). A flip phone was just becoming the "cool" thing in 2003... HSP, HFP, DUN, OPP, FTP were the more common Bluetooth profiles (I managed to get DUN working a couple times to tether to a laptop in 2003). The most advanced thing phones had in 2003 was support to play MP3s and no one cared if you stole that because it was already stolen from Napster/Kazaa/Limewire. Thanks for making me feel old!
Yeah the Huawei phones were absurd. My father in law got one without a clue what he was buying. First time I had seen them so I looked into them and showed him everything I was pulling up… phone was immediately destroyed and a new one was purchased lol. Strange times we live in.
@@ic3man5 sure did, I bought a little over 1000 of the. I used them and retailed, along with training on how to use and setup complete mobile offices. I actually still have one brand new in package. Wikipedia can't always be trusted. Profiles and services are 2 completely things. Although a profile is required along with services in order to work. For complete mobile office and 5 simultaneous services. I mostly used the Nokia 3650. I believe it was early 2003
RUclips showed you didn't have any replys to your comment until I clicked on the message button. And the rabbit hole goes deeper...duuun duuun duuuuunnnnnnnn
I don't think he's blowing it out of proportion. He's scared of the slippery slope...there's a reason we value privacy. The fact that it's standard and mostly unused doesn't really address the issue...
As a developer, it’s useful to troubleshoot and diagnose issues easier. Ex, app crashes, is it device specific, how did it happen, any specific characters that we may not support or formatted correctly. I haven’t thought of any useful cases to use that data, but in malicious hands it could most definitively be used to undermine someone.
Thanks Joe you have a way of explaining things so I understand them that's why I love your stuff just wanted to say thank you. I have a hard time learning sometimes..
@@SoulwhoreCien exactly.. lol people think the grocery store wants you to use that loyalty card because they want to save you money when in reality they are just selling YOU as a commodity lol
As an amazon seller, I can tell you that this is exactly what they do. Trade secrets aside, the second you issue a request to purchase an item from overseas, they are producing one for you, and one for them. They are then your direct competition a lot of times in the market.
@@VideoGamerabc when you order items from chinas assembly/production lines a lot of times the company making the item will make the item you specify, and then keep the blanks from production. They then go and create the same item and then attempt to sell against you on the Amazon marketplace (if they haven’t already been kicked off for this kind of business) or, at the very least, attempt to sell that item on other sites like eBay and Etsy. I sell quite a bit of things including pins and anytime I make a new pin design, some Chinese seller is also selling it on Etsy within a month. It’s pretty insane.
@@soberanisfam1323 It can be good for the consumer, not necessarily for the business owner. Especially when said business was selling a product, and now their competition is selling an identical copy of your product
@@BM-hb2mr yeah but then most people would use google as their search engine. Also they have so much data on you that if you're idk lets say 40 then your character is very predictable so after degoogling they would still know where you work by where your friends/coworkers work and by you connecting to any wifi which you've connected before. You'd need to move outside the 14 eyes throw out all old devices, change your name, everything buy only opensource hardware and install only opensource software that you have forked and choose every update manually after reviewing the code, use proxies, tor and self hosted services
Yeah it's funny that people think tiktok is doing much different to all the other apps on our phones. It only takes someone reasonably skilled to gain access to pretty much everything on your phone. And its been this way for a while now
Towards the end of my relationship with my now ex she really got into tik tok and when I told her about the background stuff the app comes with her response was just “eh, idk. Let them have do whatever they want I like my dancing tweens videos” Gotta love that attitude. My privacy and independence = idgaf Addicted to giving up control and neurological gihad = it’s lit fam
@@SylasTheGreat I think that word might be Arabic but if I’m being honest, within 20 minutes I probably won’t remember either way. Damn you, nonexistent attention span lol
I love Joe so much because he gets the information out there. It's a public service!I learned more about covid during the lock downs and how to take care of your body from a virologist he had on in comparison to anything I heard from the main stream media during that same time.
I think Joe has good intentions, but in some cases he tends to not be informed enough on what hes talking about and winds up fear mongering of inadvertently spreading misinformation. With this example in particular some of what hes saying regarding privacy policy isnt correct or is unintentionally misleading.
Theo is one of the most genuine and intrinsically smart people out there. He is very abstract and lehman when sharing his internal world in an almost poetic sense. Over here he's hanging out with a close buddy and when you're with your buddies you check them and tone down the seriousness. It's all about a fun time.
I've thought for a long time that TikTok could be used in the not too distant future (maybe 10+ years) to blackmail the next generation of leaders with peoples' publicly and privately posted secrets on the platform. I didn't even think about people ignoring the list of things the mobile app had access to and using those as well.
Man I thought the same I think they even has videos of people having sex and masturbating using front or back camera ..Its kinda crazy thought but I believe its true .
@@carver0019 I doubt this is true, simply because it would be way too detectable. Running the camera constantly (or recording and parsing audio constantly to detect when to do this) would drain so much power and eat so much bandwidth that they'd get outed by experts within hours. Even the actions I described would have to be performed while the user is in the app to be difficult to detect. (since even experts can't easily detect unusual resource consumption -- not all code is optimized equally)
@@sarysa As someone who is always curios about bug bounty there are too many bugs which hackers can exploit to he extend we can't imagine let alone a Government sponsered data collection program which doesn't even require finding bugs
This. This app is tracking everything and watching everything. I'm sure for most people they don't give a shit, but those that are poised to become leaders and politicians and their family are definitely being monitored closely. When a US President says they're thinking of banning the app it should've been a wake-up call for everyone whether you hated the man or not.
I've been an enterprise software developer for almost 10 years. TikTok's terms are not uncommon. Google, Facebook, Apple, and other popular apps collect this this data as well. The part that stuck out to me is the conspiracy that the app was created to collect your data. I'm certain upon it's inception the app did not collect this type of data, but as it gained popularity the company saw an opportunity to begin collecting and monetizing user data as an additional revenue stream. Most popular apps do the same thing because it is profitable. To reiterate, if the app/service is "free" then profits are being generated from something whether you are aware of it or not.
Pretty sure the end goal for the app probably was to collect and sell data. They probably weren't sure of the success of the app at first, and had no reason to implement that data collection. But, I am pretty sure they had that on the trello board lol.
The algo for TikTok is something else, its very powerful. People forget TikTok was not the first, i would love to see Vines Terms of Service for eg, or even Snapchat Also, the keystrokes, is for heatmaps. I dont think TikTok can see keystrokes etc outside of it. But eh i could be wrong. Never doubt the Red Dragon.
This is why folks label Joe a conservative shill. He either doesn't know that this is common among many popular apps (and never bothered to check), or he does and is pushing someone else's narrative.
The online shopping example that Theo mentioned is already happening on Amazon. At least as far as companies being circumvented and/or fraudulent by claiming they’re in US but the product received is from China and either not as described or flat-out just something totally random & bazar
I remember reading in 2019 or 2020 India banned tiktok in the entire country because of their privacy policy and other things in the user agreement. It was completely blocked on every network
Yes, it did happen. It wasn't just tiktok, but somewhere in the vicinity of 280-300 apps based out of china were banned due to their privacy policies. Apps like weibo, wechat, anything owned by tencent, bytedance, etc. Now, I'm not gonna pretend as if our leaders are tech savvy or anything, far from it. It happened because of border conflicts from chinese troops. But, india has a big tech presence basically due to the population and affordable connectivity to internet. And having almost half a billion people stop using your services instantly, was significant. That's why they've been marketing their apps to the west aggressively nowadays. Cheers.
I can’t tell if it’s his shtick or he’s actually that dumb. Lol I love Theo but I don’t understand why joe is having this conversation with him of all ppl 🤣 seems like most of what he’s telling him is going over his head. 😂 but in all honesty Theo’s reaction/response signifies how most Americans feel about tik Tok. Ppl don’t care there too addicted to social media. The high of how many impressions/attention u get on that app got ppl so hooked there willing to give all there information. It’s sad they just think like Theo stated “what are they actually going to do with all that data” as if it’s not that serious. 🤯
@@jessemanita133 i thought the same thing lmaoo. Joe talking about china, Theo interrupts him to talk about a trip he had at starbucks. Love theo, but he a knucklehead
@@funrsguysandmore well said Theo has his strong suits but espionage & world affairs isn’t at the top of them lol 😂 I wanna hear this conversation with someone like lex Friedman or even Oliver stone but ultimately someone who has an astute understanding of the topic.
@@jessemanita133 very much agree. Only thing I could come up with is that Joe must have wanted Theo and his audience to be aware of the issue - i dunno maybe? It's such a concerning issue in and of itself but the nearly entire generation of people who don't give a single fuck is even more so.
Joe needs to have Duncan, and Theo on together. They could all wear ghillie suits or something silly and have the most interesting conversation about nothing and everything all at the same time.
in china private businesses are legally obligated to provide any and all information and services to the govornment (chinese communist party, or CCP) if called upon. thanks to tiktok, china has eyes and ears in almost every western home
And meanwhile, in the US, your Amazon ring doorbells are calling the police reporting on you without your consent...... China is bad though and much worse that the US........Right ? If you don't think exactly the same thing is going on in your own county your a complete moron!
Have you heard the creepy one? It's like a dude jumping into a lake or pool and the song says or sounds like it's saying "Give me your life" SO SPOOKIE
I'm late to the programming party but, the more I learn the more its just 'yea, everything is not only logged but produces its own meta-logs'. definitely insane. And while I believe programming is becoming increasingly popular, its still 90% of us who just have no clue, how transparent every last byte can be when properly handled. in the end, we get what we deserve.
You can't know everything, and there is simply a lot to know about everything. Yes, to an extent everybody should be responsible and educate themselves, but on some level you must have institutions and regulations in place to protect non-experts / regular people from practices that they have no control over, or that they would have to read dozens of pages of terms of use for each app, game or product they use to figure out what is going on, which isn't a realistic expectation imo. I'm not saying you are intending this meaning, but your last sentence kind of reads like "the weak/ignorant deserve to be exploited", which I would strongly disagree with.
@@holysecret2 I actually agree. You can’t know everything. But the thing is, you don’t even need to know that much. No details required, just know that this ain’t good. Just like you don’t need to be a biochemist to know that sugar and candy is bad for you. And there er tons of documentaries, articles and podcast clips online warning about the dangers of social media and surveillance!
@@holysecret2, I like your response and admit last part of mine was a little sensationalized. I also agree with Mats in that, plenty of instances in our society where ignorance is celebrated/encouraged, so...guess that puts me in the hedged position of middle ground to everything. lol I mostly was lamenting at just how transparent the tech world can be underneath the hood n while a non-tech person "knows that",I think it's one of those knows that can be awakened to a "oh damn, 😳 " when given a taste of the reality. I'll also admit, most of it is for nerdy interests n continued curation of experience so, where that line blurs into malicious intent is probably it's own topic. Access into everyone's filesystem though? Lol, but now I digress.
@@justingreen6561 I get what you guys are saying, and true enough. People (me included, in some instances) are ignoring issues for the sake of convenience. I'm not sure about the celebrating part, but we are living with the knowledge of some things that should actually make us reconsider. But in the case of say Whatsapp, I have a friend I can only reach through that platform. Twitter for another example, as godforsaken a place as it is, is actually useful to get updates from certain things/people that you are interested in. I don't have a Twitter account myself, but basically every online personality has one, because it is just that useful. It sucks that a lot of these places have monopolized functions in the internet that almost everybody (arguably) "has" to access in order to live normally today, and are abusing that privileged position in order to exploit and abuse their users. If you were principled enough to stay away from every kind of social media, you would end up isolated. But I guess I'm the one digressing now. I suppose it's that difficult issue of "if everybody just said no, these companies would have to adjust and respect the customer's wishes". But what ends up happening is 5% of people are principled and decide to not use it, and the companies don't feel it because everybody else doesn't follow. And that's down to all kinds of reasons, laziness, lack of principles, friends and contacts they don't want to leave behind, perhaps content creators they want to stay in touch with, perhaps even a sunk cost fallacy in case they are invested in their presence there. It's unimaginably hard to get millions or billions of people on the same page, in order to force a company to change. On a side-note, the streamer Asmongold has talked on this problem, and in his opinion that's why it needs to be top-down change, instead of bottom-up, and the state or whatever authority needs to initiate that change. I'm not sure what would be right, but for everyhing to stay as it is wouldn't be right either.
I am more shocked that people are shocked by this then anything else. If the service is free you are the product, its been this way since the start.
Yea, sounds like he's reading like every single app's terms of service.
well put
I was shocked when people didn't care 10 years ago. Now... people are just willfully ignorant.
Yeah I imagine it’s the exact same for Snapchat/Instagram, I would care to look but as the guy above me said I’m just wilfully ignorant.
Different when its a Chinese company that works in conjunction with the Chinese government
Can I just say, huge props to Theo for not pretending to be a know-it-all and actually listening, asking questions, and saying "okay" whenever he learns something new. Too few people do that these days
Almost nothing truthful comes out of the guys mouth. Everything he says is a fictional setup for a joke.
@@PunkMartyr nahhh there’s more there man
He’s a a deep genuine guy
@@phoomphgaming5538 fr I enjoyed the episode tbh
Theo is a Real Dude
#TheRatKing
#GangGang
Yeah he is so chill and also fun to listen
Having a serious conversation with Theo Von may be the greatest achievement in the history of mankind.
Ohh that's Theo Von I thought it was Kevin 🥓 bacon's inbred cousin or something 😅
I always crack up when Jamie has to pull up info that goes against communists. He moans... dude is sus AF.
Yeah he's that influential and that well-connected by being unable to hold a conversation. And Joe Rogan chose him for to talk about this for no good reason....
Half of America thinks he's one of them. Myself included. He's showing everybody we should be asking the same questions with the same concern and disgust. Fox News is out. Those women with their Chanel jackets pontificating out loud, have no idea what they're talking about or who the average tiktok user is.
I've never had tiktok. It's so bad.
@@SerenityDreaming The View?
I have an Obama phone...let that sink in...
As a kid I can remember ppl saying that computers were like giant spy devices to monitor you. I can remember thinking they were crazy and paranoid. Twenty some years later it's actually worse than what those ppl were saying.
I hear ya. It is the biggest mistake to think "things can't get that crazy." Evil is real and it festers in darkness. If this seems crazy, it's just the tip of the iceberg.
The military was listening to people through their microwaves a long long time ago, because it’s similar to radio waves, I figured if they can do that then they can use our TVs against us too.
@@ETAisNOW the way frequencies work is definitely something more extraordinary than the layman can ever hope to imagine. There's memory in everything.
@@420rollinup3 it’s absolutely amazing when you really think about it.
@@markrobertson2052 damm bro it that poetry, truly eye opening comment
“Chinas a dump man” is the most amazing reply to joes rant about civil unrest 😂
Joe went quiet for like half a second after that.
Unfortunately, Theo is a low information voter.
@@ivanoranrof9577 so is joe
@@pookz3067 woah woah woah.. there's levels to this
Facts hahahah
Everyone gave Trump a hard time when he wanted to ban tic toc
Exactly. He might be literally insane at times but he's usually spot on. He even predicted Elon pulling out of Twitter (for a first)
Everyone above the age of 15 knows TikTok is a Chinese data mining app. This is old news.
@@luisvalentin5039 Theres other things he shoulda pulled out of as well
A broken clock is right twice a day too
Trump was right about almost everything, and I say this as somebody's who's politics align mostly with Bernie Sanders or Tulsi Gabbert.
It's almost like there was a guy trying to ban it a few years ago
And still.
But, since it's no longer THAT guy, it's now ok to call them out.
The older I get the more I realize the term "it's that damn phone" rings true
Trump2020
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I love how Joe explains things, he doesn't talk to the guest like they're stupid, he doesn't rub it in their face, he just explains it slowly and patiently.
Definitely one of his virtues.
Theo Von is a millionaire comedian.. and an actor..
Probably because half of his audience are just on that level and look up to uncle Joe to indoctrinate them with his half-baked freshman wisdom.
@@f4ust85 Why so serious 😡..
Unless the guest is Brenden swaub
Got off Facebook over six years ago and never had Instagram, Twitter, and I'll be damned to allow myself to be dumbed down by TikTok. That app is making society more stupid by the hour.
Yet here you are on RUclips… nearly the same thing.. only difference is the videos have a time limit on tiktok. Imagine being so smooth brained that you think a video sharing app makes people dumb.
Good for you, as a fellow FB abandoner, if you read the ToS of other companies and apps such as Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. They collect this same information.
@@Keys879 I'm aware. I was talking with my wife the other morning about a coffee alternative called mud water. Later that day, she was scrolling through Facebook and there was an advertisement for it. She had never heard of it before I told her.
@James Page Its a very hidden form of addiction. They figured out how to get people, especially younger people, addicted to quick dopaminergic hits. Even if its' stupid, they keep swiping. YT shorts are no different.
Ditto! Left FB when creepy Joe had his sham inauguration and haven't been on since. Never had all that other crap either, never will. It's all garbage meant to rot your brain and get you hooked
I'm shocked how we went from almost banning the app to now seeing their advertisements on TV, NBA Courts, etc. People doing stupid dances...the stupid "challenges" that people do and even end up dying...can't believe so many parents are okay with their kids on it...smh
Our society is lost. Especially kids these days
Sounds like Joe's okay with his kids being on it.
Well said, man. See y’all at the apocalypse!
Donald trump knew
They don't allow any of that type of content on TikTok in China.
Joe being interviewed on his own show for an entire clip is pure gold
Joe doesn't interview people though. His show has always been conversations. It's part of what people enjoy about it - sometimes he talks more, sometimes he talks less, all depends on the context and how inquisitive he's trying to be. I've noticed with his comedian buddies he tends to talk more but if he has an author or scientist on he's a lot more respectful of making sure they have time to share their thoughts etc. For all the flak he gets, he's a great conversationalist.
@@johnulcer because his comedian buddies are mostly a bunch of dummies and he has to carry them.
Theos a 4-D chess master.
Whatever you say to Theo, he says “OK”, like he’s following. Then he changes the subject:
“What do they do when people die over there? Do they bury them or do they not care?”
@@pauljaru2698 hahahaha yeah i think when Theo gets nervous around big names like bill and joe he does this a LOT
“China’s a dump, man.” Lmao
it is tho lol
@@dankmatter3068 I’ve lived here for 10 years and I definitely would not say that. The government however is obviously shady and that’s no secret in any country.
@@B0l0joe crazy
@@B0l0joe It’s a dump man.
🤣🤣🤣 I thought that was so funny too
I love to see this getting out to more people. I’m 20 and have been telling all of my friends since TikTok started that nothing good will come from it and I’ve always been skeptical of it. They’ve all called me crazy for it.
Same here bud. Stay strong and don't let the pressure get to you
Man at least you’re awake…I worry deeply about anyone under 25 because of the way they treat people and are completely disconnected from the world
@@sirefromtheshire what about all the online underage prostitution going on aka only fans
The TOS is all the exact same across most of the apps we use. That's not by accident. Tik tok only stands out because it is a Chinese owned company but it’s a small part of the bigger picture. Tencent is behind almost every app you use, including tik tok. They are large investors/part owners in pretty much every social media app/website. Tencent is also a Chinese owned company and under chinas new laws, they must share all there information with the government. This was all part of a bigger plan. Tencent is owned by the Chinese government, Tencent monitors everything we do through every app. It’s much scarier if you really look into it.
Mostly 2 legged sheep.
Don’t fool yourself into thinking other social media platforms aren’t doing the same thing
NO DEY ISNT, DAY AINT DOING NUTTIN WRONG, DAY JUS TRYING TO HELP YOU
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At least not to China
they don't though
I love how Theo thought this was gonna be a conversation about how Tik Tok is fun 😂😂😂
Fun for pedos
He seems super ignorant, just like the masses
I noticed that how oblivious he is. Still confuses me how famous or partially famous people can be so uninformed
@@AlexKomnenos famous people are just people.
@@AlexKomnenos I know. Almost like he's a normal person or something
One reason for collecting this much data about every person might also have something to do with analyzing consumer patterns, the people's political orientation and for tracking movement around the country. They can analyze the population's behavior in order to do better political decisions, or if they are trying to influence the population, they can analyze the data to see if their tactic works and the list goes on. I mean, the opportunities are endless if you know that much about a country and if you can influence its population using your nicely engineered social media app that gets everyone addicted.
Finally, someone that understands it. It’s not rocket science
The crazy part about it is that they're openly getting away with crime because people consent to this without realizing or caring in order to use the damn thing. What they're doing is completely legal, as criminal as it is. It's evil genius. The entertainment is not worth the cost of your privacy and likely others you are connected to.
Well said. Because it seems everyone is on it, I was planning to sign up for Tik Tok. But, not after this!
Either I'm to stupid or to old (32) for tiktok. I once had it, for Like 3 days, it was so boring that i deleted it. Same with Snapchat, Twitter and Facebook. I Love Instagram for online Shopping tho, i've found Shops i wouldn't have found otherwise.
I'm 38 and very oldskool. I avoid ALL of this social media trash like the plague. I'm a human being while most people are robots. There aren't many human beings like myself out there anymore. RUclips (obviously) is as far as I'll go as far as screwing around online is concerned. Keep your private info FAR AWAY from that online social media trash. Sorry, not sorry.
People that use just agree to the terms of service without reading them.
I spent like four days looking at it, during the first Covid issue. Once I saw how advanced the propaganda was, I immediately deleted it ! I’ll never pull it up again !
People really underestimate how much you can do with enough data on a person. First of all, think of ALL the things you've searched. It could be medical conditions, curiosities, sexual interests, whatever. That's one thing they would snatch up. Next, there's a common use for big data, that is to combined all data on you to make a profile, like a digital version of everything you think, do, want etc. Major corporations usually use that for advertising (Let's put aside the morality of that for now). Now, all that data tracking everything about you, knowing how to make you tick, how to play into your fears, what you want to hear, what you don't...
ALL of that can be used to create algorithms. Those algorithms will then be used to MANIPULATE you in every way in everything you do. Most people have NO clue just how much manipulation they are exposed to on a daily basis. And to think of that being in the hands of an authoritarian regime, whose stated goals are to control everything and everyone. To overwhelm the democratic countries and to extend their ideas and authority into the world. THAT IS FUCKING FRIGHTENING.
You nailed it. George Orwell was right. Frightening.
It’s not just China tho. Instagram,RUclips etc are all known for their algorithms + selling data to the government etc
Not just TikTok but all social media can change your mood, thoughts, beliefs, ideals, etc by what it feeds you. I believe the biggest effect is distraction…
Basic mind control
Very true. Sadly Google has already been doing it for our own government, for years. One of the founders tried to cover up the fact that they can track every search made, for years. Long enough that when it was revealed, no one cared.
Imagine Theo sitting through a whole movie... 'Just tell me how it ends, man!' 🤣🤣
He probably hates a lot of movies cuz he can't understand them
@@qcrew2938 is what you think
What's this dude's IQ?🤪🤪🤪
I HATE your picture. I thought there was a hair on my screen. Lmaooooo
@@clavo6498 ya numbnutz thats why I posted that
I love Theo. His childlike side banter is the best here.
Glad to hear Joe speaking on this 💯
I appreciate a beautiful woman as much as the next guy but to me TikToc just seems like a bunch of THOTs dancing like strippers. Being hot is not a talent. I scrolled through looking for cool content and 70 percent of the submissions were girls dancing. I wanted a talent show but got a pg rated strip club. TikTok is a toxic cesspool with little redeeming qualities.
yeah google never did that 🤣
But strangely not about US ownership of their TikTok Global with almost all Americans on the board. Ev en Wwalmart has a stake. Just ask siri about American investment in TikTok.
Joe is literally 10-15 years too late to be talking about this.
Joe: “Capitalism…communism….social injustice…direct access to private…”
Theo: “China is stupid”
China is stupid tho
That's exactly where the Biden admin is trying to take America. Communist bastards!
He's definitely a man of deep thinking! 🤣
Me: 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s simple. Don’t use the service. The same goes for Twitter, FB, Instagram, etc.
You think RUclips is any different just outta curiosity
But you’re on RUclips?
They put it in TOS is the user fault for not reading it and just checking the check box . There a lot of other social media platform they do the same thing and not telling you, atleast tiktok is transparent
The only difference is …..they are located in and unlimited access given to the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY!! There’s-that…
Dustin your not really exposing your person or life on YT it’s pretty anonymous if you want it to be, you don’t come on here to connect with people.
This guy is so funny I could not stop laughing he was like they get my data now what haha joe tried so hard explaining to him lol
Haha I was thinking the same thing. This guy seems like an airhead. "You talkin' bout flip phones?"..... "Why do they wanna spy on us though?".... where is this dude from? Lol
Its theos comedic style. He knows this already lel
@@konkelberryfinn literally lol
Right!! No clue
@@ixmini2561 not china jack
“So what is the fbi doing?”
Cooperating and seeing how they can implement it here in the US.
Only good comment.
Not the only one, a-good one nonetheless!
They already do. They can literally pick up voices on microphones when you’re electronics are off and other freaky shit.
@@justinwright1745 reptilian
To late we did that shit long before tik tok LOL!
“So what are you saying it’s a bad place to be”
Theo is too funny 💀
Like fr
I lost it when he said that lmfao
Its called "parroting". Gets the information essentially said twice so the audience is more likely to have digested the information. Theo is not dumb. It's his character shtick that's he's very good at. Hes gotta play it. He repeats in different format or asks questions for confirmation to make sure the information is heard. Joe has a huge platform. He knows how to use it without getting canceled or sued. Most comedians are good at covert delivery of important information shrouded in jokes and naivete or self deprecation. George Carlin is The primary example.
Please have one episode with an expert going over every major social medias privacy policies to expose every social medias “Privacy Policies” and explain how each is vulnerable to give everyone a chance to wake up to the freedoms they give away. It is in no way limited to TikTok unfortunately.
If they did that you'll be seeing many familiar US companies in that list. Every company that provides a "free" version tracks your info to earn from you.
I know joe acting like we ain’t known this since the first time we turned on our first phone and it said agree to terms and services
there is a diffarance between the data. both USA and china uses your Data for evil but China is just the bigger evil of the two. while USA has to atleast atempt to follow human rights laws. china has no such obligation att all.
Great suggestion
@@rampage3337 what is the connection with human right laws. This is more about not letting China collect data on their people through TikTok. The US doesn't bother as long as they are the ones collecting your data.
2:24 "FUUUUUUUCK" Theo in the background when it sinks in that they are monitoring his keystrokes LMAO
The data they collect can also be used to reverse engineer someones 2 factor authentication. Which is especially dangerous if they target high level government employees.
They already have
I'm sure one of their main targets it trying to acquire all data on quantum computing developments and encryption considering the power and speed of such devices to process data and protect info.
And basically any person's stock or crypto account passwords. Scary
Why would they need to target them? They are in bed with high level Government employees, they are helping the CCP to take over.
@@sarahwales6276 my point was more about the 2FA than who they were targeting.
It's easier to control people when you know everything about them...
That's actually the app's purpose back home.
That place is practically City 17.
check mate.
This is so deep oml
And own current and future politicians
I love Theo. He’s so funny. Talking about China “I like their food and some of their people” 😂
Even #JackieChan acquiesced to the State
Do you have any idea how many "front" corporations US agencies have in other countries, including China??? DARPA/CIA created the internet. They created all of the social media platforms including Google, Instagram, Alphabet, etc., Amazon & more to surveil and manipulate the public. Of course they want ALL of our data in order to target citizens who resist the tyranny of the federal puppets put in charge by the corporate/banking elites. China, nor Russia is an enemy. In fact, they collaborate with the US to profit the elites and politicians along with the countless private corporations and banks profiting from weaponizing viruses/pathogens, drugs, vaccines, the highly toxic 5G proliferation, as well as those who are part of the military industrial complex.
ALL media is controlled by agencies. While this site does provide accurate information, the bigger picture is never addressed; thus, this is controlled opposition like Project Veritas and others. Meanwhile, as they collect data, they continue whitewashing or deleting sites with evidence of crimes against humanity involving US govt while funding fake "documentaries", websites, and mainstream media to push their lies and propaganda. Considering the trail of bodies (researchers, doctors, witnesses, victims, reporters/journalists, mil personnel, whistleblowers, etc.), it is also much safer for Roman to stick to the narrative.
Same. Truly a genuine person and naturally funny storyteller. I will never forget the time he told the story about him locking himself out his apartment high on coke at 3/4 AM with his blender going off and him having to knock on his landlords door 😂😂
he literally said the opposite of this.
@@413. he said it “the other way around”…. sleep good tonight kiddo.
I love how he actually seeked out this information instead of going off another persons words.
I’m not great at doing this at all but we should all try to do this more.
@@JupeGiggles Not the sheep
@@JupeGigglesBro’s definitely born in 2004 🤣🤣🤣
@@elliottb2767 I was, you’re right. Birthday tomorrow actually. But my comment was rude and generalizing, I grew this past year
@WithPurpose we all make mistakes
@@JupeGiggles HAHA bro, i haven’t got a clue what you said anymore. But the funny thing is that I’m born in 2004 as well. Happy birthday for tomorrow brother, mine’s not til July. Happy 20th, not too long til the big 21
Joe: TikTok is so terrible!
Joe: My kids love it.
That's a real struggle of being a parent.
Parenting 101
@@robertpaulson3674 more like parenting 01. Joe needs to take it away.
Just goes to show how toxic and dangerous these apps really are then dont it. I myself am a parent.
I have a 7 year old daughter who currently owns 2 tabs and a smart phone (without sim cards) that all contain apps that keep her glued to the dam things all hours of the day when she is not at school or eating her meals.
Much to the disaproval of me... but her mother thinks this is all fine as its what all kids have/doo and if she didnt she would get bullied at school !?
Yet my partners eldest girl (from a different relationship in the past) who just turned 19 cuts herself regular as clockwork but mutalating herself is not enough as she also walks around with no selfasteam her head constantly down (some times even at the dinner table) grew up the same way...
But i digress, my daughters situation is ok as its normal and just because i dont use fb any more or any other social media apps other than youtube and whatsapp im just out of touch and need not be concerned with things i dont use or approve of.
Long story short i often argue with my partner over this subject.
Boils my piss lol...
@@swesleyc7 His name was Robert Paulson.
"I'm trying to think what I'm wondering" - Never change Theo
We have to protect him at all costs.
I mean aren't we all? Lol
@@diegobermudez8102 yeah he just put it in words
"Some Chinese are cool and I like some of their food." This man is gold.
Wow so that’s all it takes for someone to be Gold……To like their food and a couple people of their culture?? That’s the best you got???🤣😂
@@Tom-mx4eq Yes, that's all it takes, my little fruity!
@@Tom-mx4eq you're taking it too seriously. He's saying he enjoys his humor.
@@Tom-mx4eq you must’ve been the center of every party
You know he means Jackie Chan and Dim Sum.
"Is it good or bad?"
"Bad."
"So you are saying it's a bad place to be?"
Don't know the guest, but he seems smart (Y)
😂😂😂Go look up Theo von… haha
Theo Von has really become one my favourite entertainers. He doesnt try to be smart or intellectual he is just himself
First off, I love Theo. His podcast work is amazing, 2nd to none. But he’s got you fooled if you think he’s not trying to be funny. Why else do think it takes him so long to get his words out a lot of the time? It’s cuz he’s coming up with it on the spot as he goes. He’s def naturally funny but a lot of his stories are either exaggerated or made up entirely all thought up as he goes. I’ve seen him use different names for the ppl in the same story from podcast to podcast. He def tries REAL hard, too hard sometimes. I can almost tell when he’s back using cocaine based off of how well he flows.
@@jimmynovak7913 Well mate I said he doesnt try to be intellectual(or show knowledge in a subject he diesnt know shit about). He is a comedian he has to try to be funny, you know? I have watched Theo since I was like 16(now Im 20) and its been really great to see him evolve frim rookie to established
@@thevanicant5364 Ah I misread what you said there, my bad. Having a slow reading comprehension morning I guess. Lol Theo’s great man. To me he’s the best, everyone else is fighting for second place. Lol
@@jimmynovak7913 No probs mate, its been really exciting to his comedic art grow.Get yourself a good ole cup of coffee and u good to go.
Yeah Theo is real.
what Theo is talking about when he describes the "abandoned" high rises are not actually abandoned at all but properties that were built in anticipation of high real-estate demand because owning property is one of the few things the Chinese people can do to invest into retirement. They are having a huge housing crash similar to our 2008 right now and thats why they are parking tanks in front of banks... people are trying to pull their money out and they are defaulting on loans on purpose as a means of protest. Things are getting pretty crazy over there. RUclips tries to censor a lot of the videos about the topic or demonetize/age restrict. Keep talking about it boys :)
The "tanks in front of banks" has been proven false by many different sources.
Keep spreading that misinformation boys, sure that will help us....
Where do you find this info if it’s being censored everywherr
Which is why everybody should be buying AMC stock (not financial advice), our own market is about to implode as well
@@trxpster1851 there’s a wall street journal article about it
They over produced real estate/infrastructure to inflate their GDP and yes the investing in real estate in china is what all the rich do. It's one of the few things they have control over
Worked for a mid sized company that had nonconsumer operations in China. Even our stuff was fully replicated for purchase on Chinese websites. Stuff you just wouldn't expect anyone to waste their time ripping off. Funny thing is... our Chinese workers in the USA refused to buy any tools or things from China. In their words, "It terrible quality!" lol
The CCP have NO BALLS. You can model yourself and steal until you're blue in the face, but all they are is a good enemy for us. I'm glad they do what they do. They can't innovate because you have to use imagination and free thought to do so.
Asians so honest they telling you what they are doing up front. Meanwhile Facebook, IG, Twitter, has been doing it for years but they'll just say "data breach" when they sell it to other people. Its hilarious. The corporations and government is not your friend. No matter what country you're in.
@Emotional D I enjoyed this ratio
Yep. My brand new $3,000 fridge lasted less than 5 years. My $1500 washer lasted less than 3. We are now using my husband's parents' old fridge that we took to put in our garage as a back up. We picked up an old kenmore washer for free that someone put out for trash. Both work fine, and I don't care that they don't look new if they effing do their job. I will not buy appliances like dime bags. I do not care if it is inconvenient or if people have an issue with it, I work too hard for my money to be made a chump by these sellouts. I hope the big brands who ran off to kiss China's ass get it all taken by the CCP, so we can start some new companies and get back to value and quality. Then they have the nerve to push this green new deal bullshit, while shipping in appliances made of dollar store plastic from a country who hates us, so they can grow the golden goose middle class they slaughtered here at home. All of them will be lucky to escape with their heads, if Americans can pull their heads out of their own retarded asses in time. Cheers!
Can confirm this to be true from a Canadian retailer that has many Chinese customers. They WILL NOT buy Chinese products to
@ 10:05 “I wonder if uhhh, I’m tryna think what I’m wondering”😂
I do that so much. It’s like what George Carlin said: “Ever walked into a room to get something and forgot what?” Haha
Joe wasn’t gonna let Theo get off track 😂 Theo’s brain is like herding cats. Joe was fighting to keep that convo on track. 😂 I love Theo dude is funny but joe is serious when on his podcast.
Herding cats 🤣 🤣 that's a hilarious description.
Using one of theos lines 'like a deaf jack Russell" 🤣
I just think he doesn't care like most people who are 35 and younger.
Seriously this shit was infuriating
Theo just isn't grasping the severity is he People say hes intelligent and funny hes just a stupid guy who says outrageous thoughts he has with no filter that amuses the audience hes among
Theo: I’m wondering…
Joe: What’re you wondering?
Theo: I’m tryna think what I’m wondering
😂😂
Just like me going through menopause 😂
Joes giggle after that 10:08
BTW this is one of the reasons why I put JRE over all other podcasts I absolutely love. On other podcasts comics come prepared to do and say funny stuff, and on JRE they just arrive and there's not that much pressure to do a successful funny act, and yet they rarely fail. And we learn a bunch! Sidenote: I wish Theo was more often on Joe Rogan Experience!
Joe doesn’t like having Theo on too much because he actually makes jokes and says shit that can be actually hilarious
Yeah bc Joe already has specific talking points to go over. How is this authentic Convo ?
@@BRLambert4 shut up it was informative and relaxing 😌
Theo is a soulless sociopath, and he’s the direct reason my cousin is dead.
@@Thawhid I am listening to the entire episode right now on Spotify. I paused at 21 minutes to respond to you. He has already completely controlled the Convo and crushed most of Theos jokes by talking about;
the eviction moratorium in CA being bad, universal income being bad, how a good guy with a gun would more often be the case if more people bought and carried guns, and tried to convince Theo to buy a third gun since he only has 2.
21 minutes in so far. They haven't even got to the Tik Tok part yet. Coincidentally, Spotify and Tik Tok have specifically been talked about in many tech articles and magazines and that they are in competition for Gen Z audience (which more audience means moremoney)
If you won't even consider that this podcast has slowly morphed into one long form propaganda program, then good luck to you
The most addictive is actually jre shorts lol
Amen to that
I never thought anyone would ever read the terms of service of the platforms we use every day, props to Joe for having done so!
Let's be Honest We knew it
Let's be Honest We knew it
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You're pretty much held at gunpoint to mark the TOS Agreement to access any service.
That should be enough incentive to do so.
Let's be Honest We knew it
Let's be Honest We knew it
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Let's be Honest We knew it
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Theo kills me…
“There’s some cool people and I like some of their food”
🤣🤣🤣
Truth is, he doesn't like 'their' food, he likes western food called 'Chinese food'. Actual Chinese cuisine is garbage.
The way he just dropped China is a dump was gold
I am always impressed, and slightly concerned, by how easily I find myself watching Reels or Shorts endlessly. I don't do TikTok, and most of the stuff seems to get put onto YT and IG anyway, but man. I go to look at my phone for like 5 minutes, all of a sudden I'm there for an hour + pissing time away. Shit is the devil lol
For sure. Not impressed tho, more like disappointed with myself lol. Im glad I came across this tho because I thought about starting a channel for the family dog, smh, I know that is pretty cliche but the dude is really such a character I can't see people NOT laughing at alot of the shit he does. Especially when compared to the other video on there lmao. But I agree, its easy to flip through them and lose track of time.💯
yeah but you learned a lot in that hour tho
There's nothing impressive about that though
@@wangboi69 There is actually. Its called social engineering. It's designed so people stay on it for hours and it works. Its impressive in an evil way
Take my lunch break, take too long,
Too long on my lunch break,
And they sent me home,
On the Adam Friedland Show
Lol I thought he was talking about Facebook and the NSA/FBI haha
Lol you know nothing
I lived in there for 6 years, Joe is on point in what he is saying. It’s wild, 90% of apps that have access to outside of the country are banned, I had to have a VPN
Yessss!!! Theo is always a good episode.
here for attention i see
Love your channel
I wonder if he looks at the counter when he walks in
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Last Fight
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Last Fight
It was like watching Rogan struggling to explain the seriousness of a situation to a 10 year old.
More like a golden retriever.
OMG did you see Elon Musk meets Post Malone video yet?! They are such a funny duo 😁LOL
Seriously
Hey don’t insult 10 year olds 😡!
I just assumed he was stoned. Theo is smarter than this.
"Is that the gas station?" I love Theo
Never touched tiktok. Deleted FB, IG etc, over 5 years ago. Blows me away the information people are just willing to hand out.
The moment you bought your phone you started handing out information.
fun fact: facebook knows almost all of your browsing history and activity on websites... even without an account or having ever having visited facebook. how? you know that "like on fb" or "share on fb" button on websites? those buttons actually run a script that reports back to fb info about your activity. and it's been figured out how to generate a digital "fingerprint" of your device just by visiting a website, so even if you never visited facebook, moved to a new country, cleared your all your browsing data... they can still theoretically match you to a private, auto-generated profile of you. unless multiple people use your device, not sure how that'd work but i'm sure they have something figured out for that.
I did the same, but I realized the other day that I use the free version of AVG which for sure tracks my shit, and not to mention all the other various apps. It's got to be nearly all of them at this point. I'm not too sure what the solution is.
@@ethank5384 I disable all tracking through the developer mode on android. I know it's not 100%, but nothing is these days.
@@insigniamalignia haven't had FB installed on the past 3 three phones. Haven't like a post in over 5 years. Everything FB has on me is outdated at this point.
Joe is like Ron Swanson learning about cookies.
Aghhhhhh, this for me
Yuup
Is Ron Swanson a spook who plays dumb? I'm not familiar with the character
@@JasonClar2302 He’s a TV character
@@JasonClar2302 thats a Ron Swanson thing to say
1:35 it doesn't really mean they can suck data off your other computers but it does give them the right to associate the information on the devices that you log in with to other devices that you may not have used for TikTok if they for whatever reason have collected that data through a third party source or through logging I previously. Essentially they can compare your behaviors on your different devices. So essentially any device that you used to log into tick tock they have full access to everything about that device and all of your personal files. And they also have the right to compare any of that information to any other devices that you've used to log into Tic Tac in the past or information on other devices they may have acquired through outside sources.
All this is in the hands of the CCP. An organization that has enslaved and killed the innocent Chinese people and has plans to spread to other global civilizations.
We found the TikTok employee.
I don't see how what you're saying is different to what Joe said. If you have ever logged into Tik Tok on a device, they instantly have anything they want from it, wether it be data about usage of the app or unrelated external files on the device. That's what you're saying right?
It’s not just Tik Tok I believe it’s even apps made here in the U.S people just don’t read the TOS including me. There’s a reason why they make the Terms of Service and Conditions so long because nobody will think of reading it they’ll just click through it.
I read the terms of service. As a result, I don't even have banking apps. That being said, I've never had fraudulent activity on any of my payment methods.
I work in billing. The number of people who have frequent fraudulent activity on their accounts is terrifying.
Bro, access to your files? To your keystrokes and patterns? Your microphone? What other app does that?
“This report by very length defends itself from being read”
All apps. There is a race going on between corporations. Sorry, not race. It's a war. The war of information. It's been going on since 90s, and now it's more dangerous because now they can track everyone and anyone 24/7.
Absolutely. The money big tech makes on the actual products they sell is basically nothing compared to the money made from the data they collect. Why do you think Elon bought Twitter? He needs the data to develop his AI and he needs it uncensored.
Joe is like that friend you call up to win an argument 😆
Joe should call up his friend Elon to talk about his 50-50 deal he made with China to start manufacturing there
@@cameronmachado1774 we found the nut job. Also what makes you think they're friends 😂
He's my phone a friend for WWTBAM!
So, you would lose so many arguments lol
@@EikottXD what makes you think he's a nut job.
as a developer I can state that absolutely every app does this
Not apps on F Droid.
So every app funnels your data to the PRC?
@@mhubert1778 sure, for the right money
@@IsakKazazic True that but these folks are in house.
Wrong. Not even close lol... Most apps just collect superficial data for ad purposes, they don't have fucking keyloggers and other spyware, adware, trackers or web beacons LITERALLY BUILD INTO THEM like TikTok does...
As a seasoned software engineer: Tik Tok is one of the absolute BEST pieces of software ever invented. It's resilient, it never goes down, there are never any issues with the app, flawless business model & it's incredibly addicting. You just keep scrolling and scrolling and scrolling until you find the next video that can give you that dopamine rush you're looking for. Talking from experience - this is no different than sniffing coke. Once you bag is done, you call the dealer to get another bag in order to feel that rush of dopamine that you felt when you sniffed for the first time that day. Yes, I sniff coke occasionally (not proud of it) and I'm telling you this no different from using the app.
Also, just to make things clear: Tik Tok isn't the only app that steals all of your info. 99% of iOS and Android apps do the exact same thing but they're more discreet about it. The difference between those apps and Tik Tok is that Tik Tok is very addicting while the other app aren't at all which why you never hear about the other apps.
IMO, Tik Tok is a very, VERY dangerous drug and it should be labeled as such. Trump did the right thing when he said he wanted to get rid of it. It's seriously damaging the development of children at a pace and at a caliber mankind has never witnessed before while the company cashes in their billions of dollars.
Who asked again
@@australianemu6207 someone that has the cappacity to understand which clearly isnt you
@@australianemu6207 me
How do you know TikTok isn’t as invasive as it’s made out to be? Is it as invasive as Facebook was during its golden era of ads, more so, or less so? If you have the answers
@Beery Yeah that's true, good point.
Wow, my heart dropped when he said key stroke logger. I knew there was some fishy stuff going on, but I didn't realize it was on THAT level. These kids are just blindly walking into a trap without any idea what's going on.
I literally got laughed at by my family last night for this. My fucking niece made a joke about the ccp stealing my info and my family just thought it was hilarious.
How can you not know this? Pretty sure every government does this aswell...
@@mekler6406 fair point, I think I thought there would be some level of accountability, regulation, or oversight, but that was probably wishful thinking
The thing is I've seen a movie where people were stealing data on apps that you download and the money that they make of stealing data is very cruel they even steal credit card money everything which its true after Facebook every social media apps and games steal all the data from u
@@hurricanehubbs9459 do not trust any buisness with your info. they can and will use ANY information about you, as well as store it. google and facebook are the worst, but i personally treat every company the same. fuck these massive companies.
"I'm tryin' to think what I'm wondering..."
Classic Theo von moment. 🤣
Theo’s train of thought hits a switch track like every thirty seconds 😂
He's smoking the ganja but still sober
That’s why him and Burr aren’t compatible lol
He's a burnt chicken nugget 😆
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@@MakeMoneyOnlineWithEmma 🤪
You don't ACCIDENTALLY provide yourself with all of those highly specific legal loopholes without a reason.
Remember the good ole days when episodes of Black Mirror were considered SciFi?
This is a perfect example of two guys in the same room having two completely different conversations. One's talking about cell phones the other ones talking about a gas station
mfers brought what looks like a nascar driver to discuss digital privacy
You didnt pay much attention.
But, some gas stations sell cell phones.
I've never said this to anyone else before; nobody wants your cream filling Twinky!
OMG did you see Elon Musk meets Post Malone video yet?! They are such a funny duo!! LMAO
Joe “I just learned how social media really works” Rogan
That is not social media that is chine government 🤦🏽♂️ not the same
@@seetheanimal5867 that is social media. Facebook does the same. Facebook owns instagram. It isn’t the government either it’s people like mike. Zuckerberg
@@noi8017 no it’s China. On servers IN CHINA accessed by Chinese government people. You win dummy of the freaking day.
@@noi8017 is that boomer stupid or gen z stupid can’t tell could be either 👀
@@seetheanimal5867 why you deleted ur comment
The end goal is to use private information "data" to predict human behavior in order to have complete control over living men, women and children. Ultimately to control thought.
This is the ultimate end goal, yet even reasonable people will call you crazy for pointing out moves that are a few steps ahead.
@@mattb6646 Is not their fault, they're just programmed that way.
How can you do that?
It’s more to be able to sell you things, but sure
@@swoops41 yes that's today's reasonable excuse, but think about where this type of data collection goes over the next 30 years with constantly improving supercomputers and AI.
I had tiktok once for 1-2 hours but deleted it, it didnt really catch me
I am glad it didnt
I convinced my friend to delete it when i show this video
Good thing i only had for a few minutes and guest account
You guys realize RUclips and the other social media sites collect your data, right? It's not JUST your location :)
@@SplatRat30L LOL
5:55 before I go any further. As a retired electronic technician I can co-sign what he just said. Not just their phones but Bluetooth dongles and services as well. 1 Bluetooth service (headsets) was introduced in the US market widely in late 2003 early 2004. However it's been available since 98/99 but consumers couldn't buy it. BUT what they didn't know was the other services such as audio gateway, object push, file transfer, modem, monitor, and keyboard services all where available and active without one's knowledge. This was Bluetooth VS 1.0. I trained the very 1st Data Support Team for Cingular Wireless aka AT&T. Huawei phones had so much going on in the background it was just crazy and consumers never knew. The range of frequency was/is actually very impressive, tapping into Not only GSM but CDMA and even TDMA and Analog. Cingular Wireless and Nokia offered a phone that would do both TDMA and GSM, model 6340 (if I remember correctly) and was very proud of it. I just laughed. What is being sold NEW in stores today is so far outdated it's ridiculous.
Yep I know you`re not lying because most people don`t know the technology that is sold in Apple iphones today as the next best thing were in fact invented in the late 80`s. It wasn`t that popular back in the 0`s because BOll Gates was so big he put Steve Jobs pretty much out of business, but Microsoft got sued by the government Antirust department for being too big in the 90`s, he had to ask Steve Jobs to come back into business so Microsoft would be under the 30% threshold requirement.
Did you ever use Bluetooth 1.0? It was terrible and barely worked. All those things you listed are called Bluetooth profiles (see wikipedia), and just because the phone/device advertises it doesn't mean it can do much with it (and software was so primitive back then it didn't work). A flip phone was just becoming the "cool" thing in 2003...
HSP, HFP, DUN, OPP, FTP were the more common Bluetooth profiles (I managed to get DUN working a couple times to tether to a laptop in 2003). The most advanced thing phones had in 2003 was support to play MP3s and no one cared if you stole that because it was already stolen from Napster/Kazaa/Limewire.
Thanks for making me feel old!
Yeah the Huawei phones were absurd. My father in law got one without a clue what he was buying. First time I had seen them so I looked into them and showed him everything I was pulling up… phone was immediately destroyed and a new one was purchased lol. Strange times we live in.
@@ic3man5 sure did, I bought a little over 1000 of the. I used them and retailed, along with training on how to use and setup complete mobile offices. I actually still have one brand new in package. Wikipedia can't always be trusted. Profiles and services are 2 completely things. Although a profile is required along with services in order to work. For complete mobile office and 5 simultaneous services. I mostly used the Nokia 3650. I believe it was early 2003
RUclips showed you didn't have any replys to your comment until I clicked on the message button. And the rabbit hole goes deeper...duuun duuun duuuuunnnnnnnn
Joe needs to get an app developer in the podcast, a cyber security expert as well
I know right. Some of this stuff he’s blowing far out of proportion and other stuff he’s got a valid reason to be scared.
I’m an app developer and this type of data collection is standard across the board.
@@andreivilla9009 that's what I suspected and am appreciative of you
I don't think he's blowing it out of proportion. He's scared of the slippery slope...there's a reason we value privacy. The fact that it's standard and mostly unused doesn't really address the issue...
As a developer, it’s useful to troubleshoot and diagnose issues easier. Ex, app crashes, is it device specific, how did it happen, any specific characters that we may not support or formatted correctly.
I haven’t thought of any useful cases to use that data, but in malicious hands it could most definitively be used to undermine someone.
I love watching these two, there so good together. This seems like our last little bit of what the world and what we use to be like. 🍻
This is like Elon musk trying to talk to Joe Dirt 🤣😂
I’m weakkkk 🤣
Theo - “just tell me how it ends man”
Also Theo - “Chinas a dump man” 😂
Thanks Joe you have a way of explaining things so I understand them that's why I love your stuff just wanted to say thank you. I have a hard time learning sometimes..
every app is like that FB is even worse , if something is free you are the product ...
@@SoulwhoreCien exactly.. lol people think the grocery store wants you to use that loyalty card because they want to save you money when in reality they are just selling YOU as a commodity lol
Just put the weed down for 1 day you learn quick
Go to school
As an amazon seller, I can tell you that this is exactly what they do. Trade secrets aside, the second you issue a request to purchase an item from overseas, they are producing one for you, and one for them. They are then your direct competition a lot of times in the market.
Can you elaborate please?
@@VideoGamerabc when you order items from chinas assembly/production lines a lot of times the company making the item will make the item you specify, and then keep the blanks from production. They then go and create the same item and then attempt to sell against you on the Amazon marketplace (if they haven’t already been kicked off for this kind of business) or, at the very least, attempt to sell that item on other sites like eBay and Etsy. I sell quite a bit of things including pins and anytime I make a new pin design, some Chinese seller is also selling it on Etsy within a month. It’s pretty insane.
@@wlewey I had no idea, thanks for responding so quickly!
I thought competition was good
@@soberanisfam1323 It can be good for the consumer, not necessarily for the business owner. Especially when said business was selling a product, and now their competition is selling an identical copy of your product
Joe is the king of seeing a meme & pretending it’s an “article” he read
2:20 Joe sounded like an old car horn 😂
Keep replaying it, funnier than TikTok lol
Plot twist:
*Everything* you do on your phone is being tracked & monitored, regardless of what platform or app you're using.
Sleep well.
Not if you use a degoogled phone check out Rob Braxman on RUclips
/r/im14andthisisdeep
I love dropping the truth bomb about "pokemon go", from years ago. Blows ppls minds.
@@BM-hb2mr yeah but then most people would use google as their search engine. Also they have so much data on you that if you're idk lets say 40 then your character is very predictable so after degoogling they would still know where you work by where your friends/coworkers work and by you connecting to any wifi which you've connected before. You'd need to move outside the 14 eyes throw out all old devices, change your name, everything buy only opensource hardware and install only opensource software that you have forked and choose every update manually after reviewing the code, use proxies, tor and self hosted services
Yeah it's funny that people think tiktok is doing much different to all the other apps on our phones. It only takes someone reasonably skilled to gain access to pretty much everything on your phone. And its been this way for a while now
Theo can’t be serious unless he’s actually mad or upset. Everything is for laughs.
I would pay good money to see Theo upset lol
Good jobs he's a comedian
He gets sad a lot
Bruh, you mean the gas station?
I love Theo. What he said about Alcohol was extremely helpful for me
Towards the end of my relationship with my now ex she really got into tik tok and when I told her about the background stuff the app comes with her response was just “eh, idk. Let them have do whatever they want I like my dancing tweens videos”
Gotta love that attitude.
My privacy and independence = idgaf
Addicted to giving up control and neurological gihad = it’s lit fam
😹😹😹😹🤦♂️
Typical X chromosome trains of thought
Jihad* I take it you're not a native English speaker?
@@SylasTheGreat I think that word might be Arabic but if I’m being honest, within 20 minutes I probably won’t remember either way. Damn you, nonexistent attention span lol
Fuck that bitxh ma dude, do you !... So who you "kinda" racist towards? 😂
I was meaning to get rid of this scam of an app and this was the final push that sent me over the edge. Thanks Joe💪
Put that strong arm down tiktok already has access to your data
I love Joe so much because he gets the information out there. It's a public service!I learned more about covid during the lock downs and how to take care of your body from a virologist he had on in comparison to anything I heard from the main stream media during that same time.
I don’t like this guest
@@jimmybagg9439 how DARE you
Main stream media is the last place to get your information
A lot of what Joe said about China in this clip definitely applies to the USA, hopefully everyone realizes that.
I think Joe has good intentions, but in some cases he tends to not be informed enough on what hes talking about and winds up fear mongering of inadvertently spreading misinformation. With this example in particular some of what hes saying regarding privacy policy isnt correct or is unintentionally misleading.
Theo is one of the most genuine and intrinsically smart people out there. He is very abstract and lehman when sharing his internal world in an almost poetic sense. Over here he's hanging out with a close buddy and when you're with your buddies you check them and tone down the seriousness. It's all about a fun time.
I've thought for a long time that TikTok could be used in the not too distant future (maybe 10+ years) to blackmail the next generation of leaders with peoples' publicly and privately posted secrets on the platform.
I didn't even think about people ignoring the list of things the mobile app had access to and using those as well.
Man I thought the same I think they even has videos of people having sex and masturbating using front or back camera ..Its kinda crazy thought but I believe its true .
@@carver0019 I doubt this is true, simply because it would be way too detectable. Running the camera constantly (or recording and parsing audio constantly to detect when to do this) would drain so much power and eat so much bandwidth that they'd get outed by experts within hours. Even the actions I described would have to be performed while the user is in the app to be difficult to detect. (since even experts can't easily detect unusual resource consumption -- not all code is optimized equally)
@@sarysa As someone who is always curios about bug bounty there are too many bugs which hackers can exploit to he extend we can't imagine let alone a Government sponsered data collection program which doesn't even require finding bugs
This. This app is tracking everything and watching everything. I'm sure for most people they don't give a shit, but those that are poised to become leaders and politicians and their family are definitely being monitored closely. When a US President says they're thinking of banning the app it should've been a wake-up call for everyone whether you hated the man or not.
@@defeatignorance8681 Its good our government banned it
theo, you're Chinese credit score is tanking lol
*your
*your
English is a made up concept. Use whatever words that you'd like to portray you're thought.
@@SteveSmith-mu2fy I bet you didn’t go to college
I've been an enterprise software developer for almost 10 years. TikTok's terms are not uncommon. Google, Facebook, Apple, and other popular apps collect this this data as well. The part that stuck out to me is the conspiracy that the app was created to collect your data. I'm certain upon it's inception the app did not collect this type of data, but as it gained popularity the company saw an opportunity to begin collecting and monetizing user data as an additional revenue stream. Most popular apps do the same thing because it is profitable. To reiterate, if the app/service is "free" then profits are being generated from something whether you are aware of it or not.
Yeah I was waiting for him to drop a bombshell but it just sounded like standard TOS for these tech companies.
Pretty sure the end goal for the app probably was to collect and sell data. They probably weren't sure of the success of the app at first, and had no reason to implement that data collection. But, I am pretty sure they had that on the trello board lol.
The algo for TikTok is something else, its very powerful. People forget TikTok was not the first, i would love to see Vines Terms of Service for eg, or even Snapchat
Also, the keystrokes, is for heatmaps. I dont think TikTok can see keystrokes etc outside of it. But eh i could be wrong. Never doubt the Red Dragon.
But, do Google, fb, and Instagram run your data to the ccp. 🇨🇳
This is why folks label Joe a conservative shill. He either doesn't know that this is common among many popular apps (and never bothered to check), or he does and is pushing someone else's narrative.
"what are you wondering?"
"im tryna think what im wondering"
200 iq brain in action
The online shopping example that Theo mentioned is already happening on Amazon. At least as far as companies being circumvented and/or fraudulent by claiming they’re in US but the product received is from China and either not as described or flat-out just something totally random & bazar
I remember reading in 2019 or 2020 India banned tiktok in the entire country because of their privacy policy and other things in the user agreement. It was completely blocked on every network
They also banned Bill gates
Yeah along with tik tok multiple chinese apps are banned here including many games because they all steal data.
If you want to unban tik tok from india, press 1 to speak to an agent
Yes, it did happen. It wasn't just tiktok, but somewhere in the vicinity of 280-300 apps based out of china were banned due to their privacy policies. Apps like weibo, wechat, anything owned by tencent, bytedance, etc.
Now, I'm not gonna pretend as if our leaders are tech savvy or anything, far from it. It happened because of border conflicts from chinese troops.
But, india has a big tech presence basically due to the population and affordable connectivity to internet. And having almost half a billion people stop using your services instantly, was significant.
That's why they've been marketing their apps to the west aggressively nowadays. Cheers.
Trump attempted to do the same thing, and everyone shit on him for it. Remember back in 2020 when he announced he was banning Tiktok?
Theo couldn't think of the word "swing" and described it as a floating chair for a couple of people in this episode. His brain is a fascinating organ.
I can’t tell if it’s his shtick or he’s actually that dumb. Lol I love Theo but I don’t understand why joe is having this conversation with him of all ppl 🤣 seems like most of what he’s telling him is going over his head. 😂 but in all honesty Theo’s reaction/response signifies how most Americans feel about tik Tok. Ppl don’t care there too addicted to social media. The high of how many impressions/attention u get on that app got ppl so hooked there willing to give all there information. It’s sad they just think like Theo stated “what are they actually going to do with all that data” as if it’s not that serious. 🤯
@@jessemanita133 i thought the same thing lmaoo. Joe talking about china, Theo interrupts him to talk about a trip he had at starbucks. Love theo, but he a knucklehead
@@funrsguysandmore well said Theo has his strong suits but espionage & world affairs isn’t at the top of them lol 😂 I wanna hear this conversation with someone like lex Friedman or even Oliver stone but ultimately someone who has an astute understanding of the topic.
@@jessemanita133 very much agree. Only thing I could come up with is that Joe must have wanted Theo and his audience to be aware of the issue - i dunno maybe? It's such a concerning issue in and of itself but the nearly entire generation of people who don't give a single fuck is even more so.
A snail says nothing and slowly crawls forward...
Joe Rogan: "A Hundred Percent...."
Joe why the hell do you let your kids use tik tok ?!
Cause daddies a premature billionaire and they have nothing to worry about
His kids aren’t super young
@gopre80 100%
@@TheDeathvice187 Daddy is == Daddy's. It's a contraction. More than one daddy is daddies.
@@tolpacourt good bot.
Joe needs to have Duncan, and Theo on together. They could all wear ghillie suits or something silly and have the most interesting conversation about nothing and everything all at the same time.
That would be amazing
this would be brilliant
This is the way.
@@travelingalaxies9282 ka ti
Your a Hater.....why not go onto Fakebook or Jewtube, Twittster or DikDok and peddle your closed minded drivel.
in china private businesses are legally obligated to provide any and all information and services to the govornment (chinese communist party, or CCP) if called upon. thanks to tiktok, china has eyes and ears in almost every western home
And meanwhile, in the US, your Amazon ring doorbells are calling the police reporting on you without your consent...... China is bad though and much worse that the US........Right ? If you don't think exactly the same thing is going on in your own county your a complete moron!
Not mine no tik tok here
@@nofairytalesyoungblackmale1616 mine too, no kids. still a massive problem though
@@jaymantisgaming Joe even admitted his kids are “addicted” to Tik tok. Why is he ok with them having it after he knows their terms?
@@Patrick3183 Because it does not matter, his kids will get made fun of endlessly if they show up to school as the only ones without it.
Ironically, I got a tiktok add while watching this video
noooooo🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 whaaaattt
Have you heard the creepy one? It's like a dude jumping into a lake or pool and the song says or sounds like it's saying "Give me your life" SO SPOOKIE
"They can definitely make you disappear over there."
Screen goes black...
Joe: literally just said "Huawei phones"
Theo: its not the gas station?? 😂😂😂
I died laughing 😂 Wawa
Never seen nor heard of this "Theo" character before today in my life but whomever he is, he doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed.
@@usaman7358 he’s very clever and is easily one of the current top three comedians. The Wawa comment was an intentional joke.
Because Joe pronounced Huawei like Wawei
@@Mike-sp4iz delusional
I'm late to the programming party but, the more I learn the more its just 'yea, everything is not only logged but produces its own meta-logs'. definitely insane. And while I believe programming is becoming increasingly popular, its still 90% of us who just have no clue, how transparent every last byte can be when properly handled. in the end, we get what we deserve.
Totally agree. Ignorance makes us weak; and we chose it that way by not educating ourselves.
You can't know everything, and there is simply a lot to know about everything. Yes, to an extent everybody should be responsible and educate themselves, but on some level you must have institutions and regulations in place to protect non-experts / regular people from practices that they have no control over, or that they would have to read dozens of pages of terms of use for each app, game or product they use to figure out what is going on, which isn't a realistic expectation imo. I'm not saying you are intending this meaning, but your last sentence kind of reads like "the weak/ignorant deserve to be exploited", which I would strongly disagree with.
@@holysecret2 I actually agree. You can’t know everything. But the thing is, you don’t even need to know that much. No details required, just know that this ain’t good. Just like you don’t need to be a biochemist to know that sugar and candy is bad for you. And there er tons of documentaries, articles and podcast clips online warning about the dangers of social media and surveillance!
@@holysecret2, I like your response and admit last part of mine was a little sensationalized. I also agree with Mats in that, plenty of instances in our society where ignorance is celebrated/encouraged, so...guess that puts me in the hedged position of middle ground to everything. lol
I mostly was lamenting at just how transparent the tech world can be underneath the hood n while a non-tech person "knows that",I think it's one of those knows that can be awakened to a "oh damn, 😳 " when given a taste of the reality. I'll also admit, most of it is for nerdy interests n continued curation of experience so, where that line blurs into malicious intent is probably it's own topic. Access into everyone's filesystem though? Lol, but now I digress.
@@justingreen6561 I get what you guys are saying, and true enough. People (me included, in some instances) are ignoring issues for the sake of convenience. I'm not sure about the celebrating part, but we are living with the knowledge of some things that should actually make us reconsider. But in the case of say Whatsapp, I have a friend I can only reach through that platform.
Twitter for another example, as godforsaken a place as it is, is actually useful to get updates from certain things/people that you are interested in. I don't have a Twitter account myself, but basically every online personality has one, because it is just that useful.
It sucks that a lot of these places have monopolized functions in the internet that almost everybody (arguably) "has" to access in order to live normally today, and are abusing that privileged position in order to exploit and abuse their users. If you were principled enough to stay away from every kind of social media, you would end up isolated. But I guess I'm the one digressing now.
I suppose it's that difficult issue of "if everybody just said no, these companies would have to adjust and respect the customer's wishes". But what ends up happening is 5% of people are principled and decide to not use it, and the companies don't feel it because everybody else doesn't follow. And that's down to all kinds of reasons, laziness, lack of principles, friends and contacts they don't want to leave behind, perhaps content creators they want to stay in touch with, perhaps even a sunk cost fallacy in case they are invested in their presence there.
It's unimaginably hard to get millions or billions of people on the same page, in order to force a company to change. On a side-note, the streamer Asmongold has talked on this problem, and in his opinion that's why it needs to be top-down change, instead of bottom-up, and the state or whatever authority needs to initiate that change. I'm not sure what would be right, but for everyhing to stay as it is wouldn't be right either.
"I went down TikTok rabbit hole yesterday..." Puts Hungry-Man meal in microwave. Mutes phone.