Since it is over 60 years since I had the pleasure of listening and watching steam locomotives this piece of filming just goes to show the skill of the driver. Not merely the pushing of a button but the careful feeding in of power to the cylinders to maintain grip especially when we think that there is only a tiny section of wheel actually in contact with the rail. Beautiful, thankyou for recording this and sharing it with the world.
That 1:49 is (more or less) straight out of the platform at Grosmont, and line speed restricted, so no opportunity for a run up. Added to which the bastard townies have bought cottages in Grosmont, and complain about the smoke. So they're not allowed to make excessive smoke in the station. Hence, the most you can do is a thin fire until the last minute, then a back end on 'til the off. Many experienced firemen have got it wrong, especially visitors. That said, it wasn't a fail anyway, but Communication cord. The restart was brilliant. My favourite engine. Travesty that NRM withdrew her. Should have cast a new manifold, and rebuilt her
@@Gus0898uk From what I understand, a piece of loose lineside fencing had snagged on the underframe of the rear coach. They stopped to remove it. Nothing wrong with 4771 whatsoever.
I'm going to research your first question, but the second one is more for boiler safety. This could be thought of as neutral. Your gearbox effect is created by the cuttoff steam valve which limits the duration of valve lift. Starting, you go easy on the throttle, with minimum cutoff for max torque. Steaming, you go heavy on the throttle, maximum cutoff for water economy. i used to know a fireman who worked Bulleid Pacifics. I can remember some of his teachings.........
gotta say as she was at the end of a boiler ticket and running with safety valves blowing off, she didn't bloody well! :D That black smoke seems a bit nasty though... nice capture!
No, thats what the regulator is for. The regulator controls flow, of steam. It is this control of flow which enables it to control pressure in the steam chest, if you remember that the more velocity a fluid has, the lower its pressure. Conversely, the slower its flow, the higher will be its pressure. Pressure is highest in that prt of the boiler closest to the firebox.
Superheaters are used to assist in positioning steam takeoffs from more convenient positions. Steam has its greatest stasis in the boiler, with energy provided by the fire. Introduction of any flow therefore lowers pressure by introducing velocity. This is the flow controlled by the regulator, which is exchanged for pressure in the steam chest.
It is a safety valve, the loco was working hard, using lots of steam. The sudden stop meant the steam was no longer being used so the valves lift, they are set to lift when the maximum working pressure of the boiler is reached, they don't generally lower the pressure much below this, just relieve the excess.
A fence had got caught on the rear coach as the loco passed the locomotive sheds, which had been trampled on the previous night of a certain GM's army of photographers photographing 3 A4's. Someome noticed it and pulled the emergency cord, hence the stop. The fence was removed and 4771 was on her way.
I'm not an expert but it would be more sense to open the dampers because opening the firebox doors reduces the effectiveness of the draught. Cold air is pulled in from the cab, not the fire through the tubes (which is the idea). Theoretically, opening the dampers draws air in under the fire thus feeding it = fire burns hotter and more efficiently and pulls hot gases through the tubes = higher steam generation rate.
it wasnt really overfiring, the fireman had just put a round on ready for the 1in49 climb and then he had to make an emergancy stop so all of that coal he had just put on never caught alight so hence the black smoke.
Theyre stopped due to lack of adhesion, so they have to blow off surplus steam, and cut off air to the firebox, which means more smoke, until the adhesion problem is solved with a blast from the sand boxes, and she makes her way off up the hill again with air supply restored to the firebox, meaning Bulldog's formula is completed.
I see,they had to do an emergency stop due to a fence being tangled round one of the carriages.Then to get some heat up due to there having just been a load of coal put on before the stop they whacked the blower on to get the fire up and clear the black smoke and when all was done off they went,I thought they stopped rather quickly for "Run out of puff" scenario! Good restart though!!
These and the SV's are the finest rakes of LNE teaks in the country. (The SV's set also includes a GN composite in regular service - a magnificent piece of rolling stock).
@edj66 No, but i was on the footplate and had a fire later on. You are exactly right in what you say, not enough oxygen to make the fire burn efficiently, As you can see the smoke is a correct grey as they come up to stopping, then the regulator is shut and BAM! Black smoke :)
I thought you could lay down sand from the sand tubes as you went? Isn't stopping on a grade the last thing you want to do if you're already having adhesion troubles? And are they blowing off the steam so they'll have a lower overall boiler pressure, which will then put less torque to the wheels and make them less likely to slip? Kind of like when driving in the snow, you upshift early so it's not putting a lot of power to the wheels. If you keep it in 2nd gear, it'll spin, but in 3rd it won't.
Yes, I know how the cutoff works, but when the steam is introduced to the cylinder at, say 200psi, with the cutoff open, it creates a force of 200psi over the entire stroke. If that overwhelms the adhesion, you close the cutoff, which creates an initial spike of 200psi, which drops as it expands. Since uneven power is a problem for steam locos, it seems like having a lower steam chest pressure, and keeping the cutoff open for, say, 150psi over the whole stoke is better than a 200psi surge?
*I mean, better if you're having trouble with the 200psi of force creating too much torque and making the wheels slip. With a lower boiler pressure, you wouldn't have to close the cutoff when the wheels slip, as hopefully they wouldn't slip under a lower, more evenly applied torque. Do they have a valve that controls steam admission to the steam chest, or the maximum steam chest pressure? Because then you could get the same effect, without worrying whether you could build boiler steam up again.
yeah I do have dyslexia but i doesn't matter now I thought at first it was a video of 4771 struggling but as i have found out it was someone who pulled the communication cord. and was giving ad vice to Rail Sim users but I am a lot wiser now and i know that real life trains are a lot different to Simulator ones so lets all stop, i was younger when i first put that comment and since then i have actually driven a real steam loco at the Midland Railway Center which was the caprotti 73129 hehe :D
Question: Was that a blowout/safety valve that was draining steam from the boiler(I'm assuming) at the beginning? How long did it take to get back up to operational pressure?
Sorry David but you can't do much about the smoke, the fireman has built his fire up for the climb, a full boiler and its on the mark plus an unscheduled stop, so what else can he do?
Just found this after all these years. I was the fireman with Pete Hanson as my driver and the late Ray Towell from the NRM accompanying us. I had just finished putting a decent round on ready for a good romp up the hill when we were "tailed" by the guard. Couldn't have happened at a worse moment from my point of view and there was little I could do about the smoke or blowing off - once you have put coal on the fire you can't take it off! As for the medal that goes to Gresley for designing such an excellent and versaile locomotive.
Good point. The Pacifics may hold the public's attention, but I've always regarded the V2s as Gresley's masterpiece. Not for nothing were so many built. Just wish one of the Kylchap ones had survived too... And brilliant work by both of you on the footplate.
if u stop on a gradiand on train sim or rail sim and your fireing and you stop i find that if you keep fireing untill and build the preshure up to just under the red mark then relese the brakes and open the regulator that should get you going again but still keep fireing when going up the grade and whach y water
Nice video thanks and a lovely engine indeed - but we dont call 1 in 49 a bank here - anyone seen shots of 4472 back in 1989 climbing 1 in 40s and 1 in 33s aided by Australia's own 3801?
So the torque controls you suggest are both unneccesary and inefficient. I understand where you are coming from, but I think you should google Boyle's Law. It's relevant to steam engines, sub aqua air sets, and firefighting airsets, all of which I have you might say some experience in.
pmonkeygeezer Whilst probably a troll, lets take the bait anyways. Thick black smoke is the result of unburnt coal, solid carbon particulate, it settles back down onto the ground as harmless soot. The only bad things it does are to white linens, maybe your lungs if ye made a habit of taking in deep breaths right in the thick of it. The actual gasses that cause global effects are the stuff ye can't see. Further, there are not enough operational steam locomotives operating frequently enough to cause any significant problems. Compared to the amount of CO2 humanity releases just by breathing, it's not even a blip on the radar. In fact it ye were to look at a graph of rising temperature trends through the last two centuries, you'd notice that it wasn't until about the middle area of the 20th that it really started its climb. A time when both population was rising rapidly, and the automobile was taking its place as a common everyday commodity. Turns out one smokey steam engine that, on a busy line, may transport 2000 people in the course of a day is less polutive than 1000 of those people driving 1000 cars instead, and the additional thousands of cars being used on short hops within a couple miles that, when trains were the dominate mode of transport, people would usually just walk or cycle to.
DAKOTA56777 Coal smoke contains particulates, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, heavy metals, arsenic, cyanide, hydrocarbons, and various other carcinogens. It's very dangerous stuff to be spraying around in the atmosphere. That is why steam locomotives need to be sliced apart with cutting torches and the scrap pieces recycled to make cleaner traction.
pmonkeygeezer Whilst indeed coal smoke does contain other particulates than just the carbon, the amount produced by existing locomotives is negligible, as was aforementioned in the previous comment, there are not enough locomotives being run often enough to cause any notable problem. Unless you have a situation like Victorian London, with hundreds of locomotives, hundreds of factories, and thousands of residential and administrative buildings all being coal fired, yes, then it becomes a serious problem. But for the preserved historical locomotives, 'tis no problem at all. Indeed because of their inefficient burning of coal a fair bit of the stuff comes out the stack as unburnt fuel and settles back down on the ground as soot, instead of being pumped into the atmosphere. Not that I'd expect a troll to acknowledge any of these points, of which I am quite certain ye are, laddie. Indeed, if ye truly were only having a problem with the negligible effect of the pollutants, ye'd be more likely to suggest keeping the engines in a museum, or even having them converted to oil firing. However the deadset nature of having them scrapped, being posted on a video for steam fans, with a comment section filled with steam fans, is most certainly that of a troll looking for a rise out of the community. Or perhaps just someone with some odd personal hatred of the historical machines, but that seems less likely. Poor show lad, ye failed to elicit any rise as of the month your comment was posted, indeed I was the only one to grace it with any response at all, but there's always next time, right lad?
DAKOTA56777 It is a problem for people in the immediate vicinity of the locomotives. Breathing any amount of carcinogens will result in increased risk of cancer development. Neither of us can say what that increased risk will be, there are too many unknowns, but we know from studies of these pollutants, that the risk will be bigger. As to whether people reply, I care not. My job is to educate and inform. Many people will read the comments who don't reply. I also stick to the argument at hand, not resorting to suppositions or name calling. Something you have failed to do, and thus you have undermined any credibility you may have had. I am pleased to help inform people that these polluting machines should be *torn apart with gas torches and the steel/copper recycled to make clean traction*
What the hell? do you know nothing about firing a steam engine? having a massive fire in like that, working the engine that hard, then having to stop like this, it wouldve been almost impossible for us to clear the smoke, and we had more pressing issues.
Hate to break it to ya but you're wrong, we couldve attacked it at any speed and got up, as shown by how easily it starts the train off again. How about reading the other comments about what happened before shooting your mouth off?
If that's your opinion, fine. But let us, the ones that appreciate our heritage, keep it the way it is. You want an imitation? Do it yourself, simple as.
Which is why Darlington Bank Top used to have an A3 at platform's end - at the ready should one of your beloved Class 40s fail - which they often did ;-)
@@paulcaswell2813 Absolutely, finest diesel ever built. Can never see why people thought steam were great, dirty stinky smelly things.....pity so many were saved.
Since it is over 60 years since I had the pleasure of listening and watching steam locomotives this piece of filming just goes to show the skill of the driver. Not merely the pushing of a button but the careful feeding in of power to the cylinders to maintain grip especially when we think that there is only a tiny section of wheel actually in contact with the rail. Beautiful, thankyou for recording this and sharing it with the world.
Skill of ther blokes who mine the coal mate.......
Black smoke, hissing steam = raw power, got to love it.
That driver is a true maestro of the footplate.
That 1:49 is (more or less) straight out of the platform at Grosmont, and line speed restricted, so no opportunity for a run up. Added to which the bastard townies have bought cottages in Grosmont, and complain about the smoke. So they're not allowed to make excessive smoke in the station. Hence, the most you can do is a thin fire until the last minute, then a back end on 'til the off. Many experienced firemen have got it wrong, especially visitors. That said, it wasn't a fail anyway, but Communication cord. The restart was brilliant. My favourite engine. Travesty that NRM withdrew her. Should have cast a new manifold, and rebuilt her
Agreed 100% over the NRM not doing the necessary to return 4771 to service ASAP. My favourite preserved loco - by far.
I agree with you , both Green Arrow and City of Truro should be returned to steam
I thought that Green Arrow had plenty of steam and didn't stop for a blow up. Maybe a mischievious passenger then?
@@Gus0898uk From what I understand, a piece of loose lineside fencing had snagged on the underframe of the rear coach. They stopped to remove it. Nothing wrong with 4771 whatsoever.
Magnificent footage of Gresley's finest :-)
Взять такой вес, это фантастика, браво Машинист!!!
Excellent video...Right place at the right time..great work by the crew..5* Bob
Ray certainly looked happy on the footplate there!
I'm going to research your first question, but the second one is more for boiler safety. This could be thought of as neutral. Your gearbox effect is created by the cuttoff steam valve which limits the duration of valve lift. Starting, you go easy on the throttle, with minimum cutoff for max torque. Steaming, you go heavy on the throttle, maximum cutoff for water economy. i used to know a fireman who worked Bulleid Pacifics. I can remember some of his teachings.........
gotta say as she was at the end of a boiler ticket and running with safety valves blowing off, she didn't bloody well! :D
That black smoke seems a bit nasty though...
nice capture!
That sure was a smooth start, and amazing sound of exhaust she's making!
fantastic footage,, well done
No, thats what the regulator is for. The regulator controls flow, of steam. It is this control of flow which enables it to control pressure in the steam chest, if you remember that the more velocity a fluid has, the lower its pressure. Conversely, the slower its flow, the higher will be its pressure. Pressure is highest in that prt of the boiler closest to the firebox.
Superheaters are used to assist in positioning steam takeoffs from more convenient positions. Steam has its greatest stasis in the boiler, with energy provided by the fire. Introduction of any flow therefore lowers pressure by introducing velocity. This is the flow controlled by the regulator, which is exchanged for pressure in the steam chest.
burned a little water, but ....good engineer recovered well.
beautiful engine, they all should be brought back on line.
It is a safety valve, the loco was working hard, using lots of steam. The sudden stop meant the steam was no longer being used so the valves lift, they are set to lift when the maximum working pressure of the boiler is reached, they don't generally lower the pressure much below this, just relieve the excess.
A fence had got caught on the rear coach as the loco passed the locomotive sheds, which had been trampled on the previous night of a certain GM's army of photographers photographing 3 A4's. Someome noticed it and pulled the emergency cord, hence the stop. The fence was removed and 4771 was on her way.
It may have restarted with ease, but I find it much more fun to think of it as a struggle, having to give it everything to get moving again.
nice vid 5*s .. lucky it was a dry day and lucky to get going again ,,great bit of film :)
Thanks for that, some good info for me to learn off in the future :)
Why did it stop? The safety valves lifted almost immediately so not short of steam.
its to prevent the boiler over pressuring because of the vast amounts of steam generated going up a gradient like that.
I'm not an expert but it would be more sense to open the dampers because opening the firebox doors reduces the effectiveness of the draught. Cold air is pulled in from the cab, not the fire through the tubes (which is the idea). Theoretically, opening the dampers draws air in under the fire thus feeding it = fire burns hotter and more efficiently and pulls hot gases through the tubes = higher steam generation rate.
it wasnt really overfiring, the fireman had just put a round on ready for the 1in49 climb and then he had to make an emergancy stop so all of that coal he had just put on never caught alight so hence the black smoke.
Breakdown of stall.
Theyre stopped due to lack of adhesion, so they have to blow off surplus steam, and cut off air to the firebox, which means more smoke, until the adhesion problem is solved with a blast from the sand boxes, and she makes her way off up the hill again with air supply restored to the firebox, meaning Bulldog's formula is completed.
I see,they had to do an emergency stop due to a fence being tangled round one of the carriages.Then to get some heat up due to there having just been a load of coal put on before the stop they whacked the blower on to get the fire up and clear the black smoke and when all was done off they went,I thought they stopped rather quickly for "Run out of puff" scenario! Good restart though!!
Very nice, I'd like to go on that set of carriages too.
These and the SV's are the finest rakes of LNE teaks in the country. (The SV's set also includes a GN composite in regular service - a magnificent piece of rolling stock).
Very fine rake of teak LNER stock they have there
Can anyone imagine the pressure in that boiler, 250 Psi ? That’s per square inch.
Why stopped? Doesteam issuing forth wethe rail, promoting more slippage?
@edj66 No, but i was on the footplate and had a fire later on. You are exactly right in what you say, not enough oxygen to make the fire burn efficiently, As you can see the smoke is a correct grey as they come up to stopping, then the regulator is shut and BAM! Black smoke :)
I thought you could lay down sand from the sand tubes as you went? Isn't stopping on a grade the last thing you want to do if you're already having adhesion troubles? And are they blowing off the steam so they'll have a lower overall boiler pressure, which will then put less torque to the wheels and make them less likely to slip? Kind of like when driving in the snow, you upshift early so it's not putting a lot of power to the wheels. If you keep it in 2nd gear, it'll spin, but in 3rd it won't.
i think this was her last run
her last run i believe was in march 2008 on the NYMR so u could of caught her doing it
ahh thanks for the info, so solution would be to open the firebox door to let more air in?
Probably a cameraman's set-up (I wrote this before looking down the comments list!). Good bit of loco driving though.
To ber honest, i am an armchair train driver, but I have actually driven a choochoo too. As for pricks, I possess one, but am not defined by it, lol.
Such Skill
Yes, I know how the cutoff works, but when the steam is introduced to the cylinder at, say 200psi, with the cutoff open, it creates a force of 200psi over the entire stroke. If that overwhelms the adhesion, you close the cutoff, which creates an initial spike of 200psi, which drops as it expands. Since uneven power is a problem for steam locos, it seems like having a lower steam chest pressure, and keeping the cutoff open for, say, 150psi over the whole stoke is better than a 200psi surge?
Was going to say a loco of that power would go up there easily! Was'nt it because of a fence caught on the last coach?
Matt Seymour bb
You're saying he stopped because of wheel slippage? Why woulodn't he just ease off the throttle a bit so forward momentum is no lost?
Just goes to show still life left in the old girl even at the end LOL
*I mean, better if you're having trouble with the 200psi of force creating too much torque and making the wheels slip. With a lower boiler pressure, you wouldn't have to close the cutoff when the wheels slip, as hopefully they wouldn't slip under a lower, more evenly applied torque. Do they have a valve that controls steam admission to the steam chest, or the maximum steam chest pressure? Because then you could get the same effect, without worrying whether you could build boiler steam up again.
thank you
yeah I do have dyslexia but i doesn't matter now
I thought at first it was a video of 4771 struggling but as i have found out it was someone who pulled the communication cord.
and was giving ad vice to Rail Sim users but I am a lot wiser now and i know that real life trains are a lot different to Simulator ones so lets all stop, i was younger when i first put that comment and since then i have actually driven a real steam loco at the Midland Railway Center which was the caprotti 73129 hehe :D
Question: Was that a blowout/safety valve that was draining steam from the boiler(I'm assuming) at the beginning? How long did it take to get back up to operational pressure?
Why did it stop? plus i love it restarting because of the nosie it makes :)
Looks like it caught the fireman unawares! Lovely shot but not much effort to keep the smoke to a minimum.
Sorry David but you can't do much about the smoke, the fireman has built his fire up for the climb, a full boiler and its on the mark plus an unscheduled stop, so what else can he do?
+David Walker does anyone know the driver and fire mans names? they deserve a medal
Just found this after all these years. I was the fireman with Pete Hanson as my driver and the late Ray Towell from the NRM accompanying us. I had just finished putting a decent round on ready for a good romp up the hill when we were "tailed" by the guard. Couldn't have happened at a worse moment from my point of view and there was little I could do about the smoke or blowing off - once you have put coal on the fire you can't take it off! As for the medal that goes to Gresley for designing such an excellent and versaile locomotive.
Good point. The Pacifics may hold the public's attention, but I've always regarded the V2s as Gresley's masterpiece. Not for nothing were so many built. Just wish one of the Kylchap ones had survived too... And brilliant work by both of you on the footplate.
if u stop on a gradiand on train sim or rail sim and your fireing and you stop i find that if you keep fireing untill and build the preshure up to just under the red mark then relese the brakes and open the regulator that should get you going again but still keep fireing when going up the grade and whach y water
good driving
Why did she stop?
Nice restart....
Nice video thanks and a lovely engine indeed - but we dont call 1 in 49 a bank here - anyone seen shots of 4472 back in 1989 climbing 1 in 40s and 1 in 33s aided by Australia's own 3801?
Great capture - 5*
What was the reason for the stall!?
+Matt Seymour Communication cord was pulled
@@NorthYorkshireCoastRail Honestly, how sad is that, it did seem strange, as traction seemed fine and progress good.
So the torque controls you suggest are both unneccesary and inefficient. I understand where you are coming from, but I think you should google Boyle's Law. It's relevant to steam engines, sub aqua air sets, and firefighting airsets, all of which I have you might say some experience in.
I can hardly believe all the bollocks all the knowalls have written in the comments.
984francis Look at this terrible pollution. These locomotives need to ripped apart with cutting torches and melted down for scrap.
pmonkeygeezer Whilst probably a troll, lets take the bait anyways.
Thick black smoke is the result of unburnt coal, solid carbon particulate, it settles back down onto the ground as harmless soot. The only bad things it does are to white linens, maybe your lungs if ye made a habit of taking in deep breaths right in the thick of it.
The actual gasses that cause global effects are the stuff ye can't see.
Further, there are not enough operational steam locomotives operating frequently enough to cause any significant problems. Compared to the amount of CO2 humanity releases just by breathing, it's not even a blip on the radar.
In fact it ye were to look at a graph of rising temperature trends through the last two centuries, you'd notice that it wasn't until about the middle area of the 20th that it really started its climb. A time when both population was rising rapidly, and the automobile was taking its place as a common everyday commodity.
Turns out one smokey steam engine that, on a busy line, may transport 2000 people in the course of a day is less polutive than 1000 of those people driving 1000 cars instead, and the additional thousands of cars being used on short hops within a couple miles that, when trains were the dominate mode of transport, people would usually just walk or cycle to.
DAKOTA56777 Coal smoke contains particulates, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, heavy metals, arsenic, cyanide, hydrocarbons, and various other carcinogens. It's very dangerous stuff to be spraying around in the atmosphere.
That is why steam locomotives need to be sliced apart with cutting torches and the scrap pieces recycled to make cleaner traction.
pmonkeygeezer
Whilst indeed coal smoke does contain other particulates than just the carbon, the amount produced by existing locomotives is negligible, as was aforementioned in the previous comment, there are not enough locomotives being run often enough to cause any notable problem. Unless you have a situation like Victorian London, with hundreds of locomotives, hundreds of factories, and thousands of residential and administrative buildings all being coal fired, yes, then it becomes a serious problem.
But for the preserved historical locomotives, 'tis no problem at all. Indeed because of their inefficient burning of coal a fair bit of the stuff comes out the stack as unburnt fuel and settles back down on the ground as soot, instead of being pumped into the atmosphere.
Not that I'd expect a troll to acknowledge any of these points, of which I am quite certain ye are, laddie. Indeed, if ye truly were only having a problem with the negligible effect of the pollutants, ye'd be more likely to suggest keeping the engines in a museum, or even having them converted to oil firing. However the deadset nature of having them scrapped, being posted on a video for steam fans, with a comment section filled with steam fans, is most certainly that of a troll looking for a rise out of the community. Or perhaps just someone with some odd personal hatred of the historical machines, but that seems less likely.
Poor show lad, ye failed to elicit any rise as of the month your comment was posted, indeed I was the only one to grace it with any response at all, but there's always next time, right lad?
DAKOTA56777 It is a problem for people in the immediate vicinity of the locomotives. Breathing any amount of carcinogens will result in increased risk of cancer development. Neither of us can say what that increased risk will be, there are too many unknowns, but we know from studies of these pollutants, that the risk will be bigger.
As to whether people reply, I care not. My job is to educate and inform. Many people will read the comments who don't reply. I also stick to the argument at hand, not resorting to suppositions or name calling. Something you have failed to do, and thus you have undermined any credibility you may have had.
I am pleased to help inform people that these polluting machines should be *torn apart with gas torches and the steel/copper recycled to make clean traction*
What the hell? do you know nothing about firing a steam engine? having a massive fire in like that, working the engine that hard, then having to stop like this, it wouldve been almost impossible for us to clear the smoke, and we had more pressing issues.
Black smoke = unburnt material = not enough air
Emergency stop having just put a load into the firebox. What else could have been done?
sorry man
What was the point of stopping?
Obviously wasn't deliberate. Someone pulled the communication cord which causes the emergency brake to apply.
course i have i just make mistakes
i apologise mate :L
Hate to break it to ya but you're wrong, we couldve attacked it at any speed and got up, as shown by how easily it starts the train off again. How about reading the other comments about what happened before shooting your mouth off?
THRASH***CLAG***WHERE ARE THE TONES?!
M y
Well, thank God for Diesels. That's about all you need to say about that!
but you cant beat the sight and smell of a steam loco
or the skill involved to drive the things properily
1 in 49 is a steep gradient for a locomotive I have seen plenty of steam locos go up the hill easily.
+Steve Gilbert Yes diesels and electrics UNTIL it Snows Heavily then its steam only running, proved many times over the years
I've seen diesels stop on gradients less than this.
Just stick a diesel engine in it, non of this smokey old rubbish.
If that's your opinion, fine. But let us, the ones that appreciate our heritage, keep it the way it is. You want an imitation? Do it yourself, simple as.
Which is why Darlington Bank Top used to have an A3 at platform's end - at the ready should one of your beloved Class 40s fail - which they often did ;-)
40 029? I presume your username refers to a Class 40 diesel! Claggetyclaggetyclag LOLOL!
@@paulcaswell2813 Absolutely, finest diesel ever built.
Can never see why people thought steam were great, dirty stinky smelly things.....pity so many were saved.