There's a similar story about Austin, with the Mini. Here a group of people ensured that the roads were swept clean. All the other cars were on snow tires and the Minis were not.
It probably added so little power and, more importantly, for such a short time, that it just adds unnecessary complexity and isn’t really an “innovation” in any meaningful sense
Throwing a bigger engine in and going faster in a spectator sport is not innovation. Rally is not meant to be a blood sport. Restrictor plates encourage technological innovation by forcing engineers to use the available air more efficiently and to look in other areas to gain advantages.
Those rules are there to keep the sports from turning into all out blood baths because the engine builders can always create more power than tire, brake and suspension technology of the time can handle. At some point safety has to override fan expectations, too much blood and families with kids won't tune in.
@@zgrb complexity? It’s an air tank and valve! it’s not about adding power but eliminating a dead spot and they work exceptionally well for something so simple!
Don't forget, to pass the homologation, Lancia only made half of the required cars and said "Ah, yes. We put the rest in another car park since this one is full. Let's get some lunch first before we go to the other car park."
IIRC, everybody did that at that time. What i remember as quite shocking is that Lancia at that time made rollbars out of painted cardboard to lighten the car...
@@adriendebosse6941 really? Everybody? Lmaooooo Also, about the rollbar, I doubt they actually used cardboard. I think they used something light and cheap that still looked like steel. If it was cardboard, they'd be in trouble if fire happened.
@@rikishikato5001 I hope your joking... Being afraid of fire when taking out a rollbar/rollcage. What about when rolling over??? Hitting a tree?? The rollbar is there to stop the driver from becoming tomato paste.
Ever heard the story how Toyota beat homologation with their GT One? So the rules stated that for a car to be allowed to compete at the 24 Hours of Le Mans,it had to able to able to hold a traveling bag in it's compartment. Now Toyota got around this by delivering the car to inspection with an empty fuel tank,arguing that the empty tank can theoratically hold a bag.
Fun fact: for the ST205, the drivers themselves didn't know about the cheat and were kinda a little surprised and pissed to find out about it and then lose all their points
oh im sure they were real pissed, imagine winning something you put your heart and soul into,then finding out you only won because your car was rigged. it would strip away all the good feelings from the win because you know your skills didnt win it.
As for Focus Mk1 - they had a rule that air has to pass through a restrictor plate. And "boost tank" was charged with air that passed the restrictor making it legal.
The other cool thing about the tank, is how simple it was. The idea was just to have a second or so where you had the charge from the tank to supplement the antilag. Genius.
@@themotorsportstory That's why I hate most racing sanctioning bodies. They always eliminate innovation instead of fostering it. (From a former racer.)
Early 1990s factory Lancia Integrale was setting some great times on last stage before service. At service the team was always changing the lifeline bottles in rear of car, that connect to air intake for extinguishing fires. Instead of fire extinguishing gas looked like they had bottles contained nitrous oxide.
I think just full-on running nitrous would be far too obvious a cheat. It might be a copy of one of the (alleged) cheats I've heard about the r32 gtr's using in Australian touring cars in the 90s. The fire extinguishers were piped to spray onto the intercooler via a switch.
Rumours of nitrous seem to follow Lancia. They were also alleged to have pressurised the Delta S4 spaceframe with nitrous, I guess it's possible but it feels unlikely. Like Shasta says, running full on nitrous would be too obvious a cheat unless they were very particular about what they did with the NOS plumbing; maybe they were! But my experience with scrutineers is they love catching people out and they do notice shit!
The Audi body shells from Matter had a structural roll cage. The rear suspension bolted directly to the cage. The front suspension also but this meant the strut was set well back from the normal position to increase castor for faster turn into corners (more nervous). A dummy top mount went into the normal position but the strut was bolted to the roll cage. Very clever, never detected.
Glad I saw this comment. Never noticed that before but I checked some side-on photos of the S1 and yeah the struts are tilted slightly toward the rear of the car. Not sure if that was a cheat though, it feels like an allowed development within the rules but still cool how I'd never noticed over all these years 😆
Lancia were the greatest rally team of all time. What they achieved with the Delta was amazing, I think Toyota may just about match it with the GR Yaris, but it’s not the same now that the WRC is basically a space frame spec car series.
WRC used to use actual factory chasis but now they just build what are essentially tubular frames and wrap them in low quality lightweight bodywork. Much like nascar.
@@That0Homeless0Guy I feel like Toyota knew that rule change was coming, one of the GR’s production runs main advantages to them is the lower rear roofline to allow a better aero package on the WRC spec car… The production GR Yaris being a 1.6 3 cylinder does fit the R5/Rally 2 specs too though, and those aren’t space frame series as far as Im aware. There’s some privateer teams in regional series that use those specs doing well with the GR.
My favorite has got to be salting the tracks and telling politicians I'm helping yall 😂😂😂 Then switching tires in the other racers faces and they not knowing is pretty funny too
Fascinating stuff. Unbelievable to think that Ford installing a whole system to store compressed air in order to aid in lag reduction, was somehow not breaking any rules.. Those were the days I guess. 😎
Lancia one made me laugh: I didn't know that but as an Italian, it makes absolutely sense! It must have been something they came up with while having dinner together 😂
That was the best explanation of the Toyota cheat I've seen so far. That footage of the turbo was invaluable! I never fully understood it till now. Thank you.
Thanks for the compliment! I had trouble understanding it myself until I stumbled across that footage of the FIA explaining it. It really helps paint a better picture.
@@themotorsportstory Absolutely! Diagrams can only go so far. I tried analysing it when I'd pause other videos but never quite understood what went where exactly.
Can someone explain to me how the device works then please? I understand that the restrictor is in two pieces, and one piece slides out to provide a larger air gap. I just can't see how placing a hose over the top of such an assembly would make the centre slide forward.
The Quattro subframes were fitted using eccentric washers to lengthen the wheelbase for better straight line stability. You had to left foot brake (with throttle on) and flick the steering on entering crests to overcome the polar moment of inertia (wanting to go straight on) then you have good choices as you see the road again.
Man, engineering is amazing and engineers are creative creatures! I've said that innovations are there to make competition think and come with a more innovative idea. I'm totally against banning.
Nice to see a small creator blow up, the editing is good, entertaining content, you have everything big car creators do. Great video, it would be cool to see your future videos
Yep I remember when Toyota got caught cheating in 1995. Very ingenious really. Citroën also got caught out (but technically not cheating per se) with their original Xsara kitcar some years later. I think it was something to do with the tyres but can't be sure
thank you youtube recommendations, once again giving me exactly what I want to see. A channel covering motorsport stories? okay that's an instant sub here. and the content is really good.
Also around this time Ford team were always filling windscreen water bottle at services and roadside even on a very dry rally. The water pipe from the bottle reappeared from the wire bundle sheathed as if electrical cable and went to a sensor on inlet manifold… that was actually a water injector 😮 to increase power
Well, maybe the idea with the salt was quite smart, but you forgot Walter Röhrl behind the steering wheel. He was a skilled RWD driver, rushing in his Ascona before the Lancia 037. He maxed his skills out, as he sat down in the Audi Quattro, he successfully fought against with a RWD car. So, it’s not like you bought the best machines, to do a Gymkhana, it’s like having the skills to do It straight away at a competition, and only crash once ;)
I do think Toyota started using the ilegal restrictor since Portugal 95, because the increase of power was even noticeable at looking, in the super stage compared to the Subaru right at the start the Toyota gained a car lenght. They stated they were using a new "chip" that increased the power. Yeah, sure...
Really? Google titanium metal cost and you will be pissed for the 5% boost, against 25% of spring washers of those Celicas'... Those clever cheating JapChaps :D
Thanks for an informative video! I am all for innovation and teams finding grey areas in the rules. I don't consider this cheating, but more like being diligent in understanding the rules and finding unaddressed details which can be used in competition. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! 100% agree. Cheating/rule-bending happens all the time, even in motorsports nowadays. Anyone who thinks otherwise is only kidding themselves.
Wow, I have to say I highly appreciate this video and the amount of actual research that went into it, especially with the ford story (pointing out how it works properly and pointing out how most people get it wrong etc), all while having a 100% factually correct, entertaining and relatively short format that doesn't feel like cramming too much info into a short time span and is still very detailed and fun to watch, great work!
Finally someone acknowledge this and made a video of the best ways around the rules I've ever witnessed in all my 21 years keep uploading man thank u so much h
The difference between 'cheating' and 'rule bending' is, in most cases, *fairly* obvious to me: rule bending or innovating is creatively interpreting the rules and regulations to gain an advantage, as well as seeking technical loopholes that are clearly justifiable. Cheating is deliberately and intentionally breaking a stated rule where you *know* and are aware you are violating said rule. Situations where you can argue, with merit, that you genuinely interpreted something one way, and the regulatory body sees it the other, are in most cases not cheating in my books, especially if you can prove that your intent was not to violate a rule.
I own a 1994 Celica GT4 in the States because I love the story so much. Imported from Japan for the extra power. It's such a blast to drive. I do hope I will be able to drive more rally homologation cars in the future, but this is the only one I can afford at the moment.
I disagree with you statement about “5% not contributing to fords wins”. 5% is a lot in racing. And if you have 4 or 5 little things giving you 5% each…. That’s 25%. Having a car that’s 25% faster is HUGE. That’s what racing all about. Squeezing every LITTLE percentage out of your car and driver.
The Lancia 037 was a cheat sheet galore essentially. Not only did it cheat the rally stage but Lancia practically pulled wools over the eyes of the FIA scrutineers. So what was said was that each manufacturers has no restrictions for Group B modifications that the only thing that they need to follow was that the safety equipment for the cars be done enough to ensure the driver and co-driver's safety while also in the meantime, be able to produce at least 1,500 homologated cars for sale to the general public. However, problem. Lancia at that point in late 1982 didn't have enough cars made for the regulation and when the scrutineers went to inspect the car, Lancia only had about 500 037 max. That didn't stop them tho. Instead, someone had the genius idea of going across town, renting a whole new carpark and storage facility, swiftly commandeer the scrutineers along, push them to have a VEEEERY long lunch while having the entire factory workers that can drive to shift all the 500 or so cars to another location and then have the guy that brought the scrutineers to lunch to lie to the FIA personal that because Lancia's actual workspace can't cope with that many cars and thus another batch of the car was stored across town and when he brought the scrutineers to the 2nd site, the FIA guys were none the wiser that it was actually the same batch of cars that they've checked already at the 1st place and Lancia was actually underproducing by at LEAST 500 vehicles which they promised was being done up (Which they probably didn't) and the FIA, gave them the green light.
@@themotorsportstory Pulling wool over the eyes of scrutineers like this wasn't just done in motorsport but there's actually a VERY well-known story about a now prolific gunmaker worldwide too and that's Accuracy International in Britain. So AI was all along a 3-men team of riflemakers making rifles for their own competition use and also privately sold some to competition shooters as a sideline during the late 70s. One day, one of their friends told them to try for the new military trials to replace the aging L42A1 which was derived from an even older system dating back to even before the Second Boer War and that's the Lee-Enfield Rifle. Out of curiosity, they entered the rifle trial of '80 and they initially entered it as a joke as the 3 developers thought it was no way in hell would a ragtag gunmaker that built guns from a shed would ever, EVER beat out top manufacturers like Parker Hale and even Enfield and possibly other Commonwealth-affiliated companies or factories like Lithgow but ohhh boy what a shocker. In fact, the rifle got picked as even beat out the Parker Hale M85 as the new standard British Military's sniper system as the "L95A1". This shocked the 3-men crew but the funniest was yet to come. They soon received reports that there will be officers from the procurement office for the Rifles division coming down to check their factory and see if they're up to shape or not but just as stated, they were just 3 men, building guns for themselves and occasional customers, in a shed. So they quickly find an empty but decent small factory shop, stick some signboard up, toss whatever gunparts they had in their original shed in sequential form across the work desk and then hire a few more people to... "Boost up the worker's count" just for the day. When the officers came, they checked the "office" after a tour and then congratulated the men. What the officers said just made them all nearly flopped over as the officer said "Oh don't worry. We're here just to make sure that you guys ain't just a few blokes building shoddy guns in a shed and trying to sell it to the British military". But they ARE a few guys building guns in a shed initially and when the guys heard what the officers said, they couldn't help but just control their laughter while leading them out of the factory. And before you know it, Accuracy International is now one of the best sniper producing company out there with even gamers knowing about their guns being one of the most accurate and solidly built rifle that can take harsh weathers be it cold or heat and the rifle's being used by at least 50 nations.
The 1.story was insane when i heard it first time in Top Gear from Jeremy Clarkson. And it wasent only thing what they did. They change the rollbars to carton and painted them to look normal rollbars. Think that to drive 150km/h in woods and knowing that.. Crazy guys
Leaving aside some errors and some legends passed off as true (e.g. the one according to which they were only going to build 200 cars and move them around to make them look like 400, in reality Group B only required 200 cars to be built), so the show was not too reliable (TGr and TGT aims for spectacularity and what they say should always be taken with some scepticism), they never said that the rollbars were made of cardboard, they just made a fake rollbar saying that Lancia could have done something similar but the rollbar has to be homologated
I’ve had two Focus SVTs. We didn’t get the RS model here in the states until recently but the N/A 6speed US models are a lot of fun especially in the two door models.
I’d heard all of these, but there are probably a ton more of them. Gotta catch ‘em all! Start with Mini and Paddy Hopkirk, he smuggled stuff in the boot from Russia to sell in Monte Carlo, while racing. Alleged by himself. I think it was vodka and caviar, but please remind me. He wasn’t shy about drivers using ‘performance enhancers’ either. Me, I like ‘innovation’. Toyota’s was actually a cheat, albeit impressive, but the others… Let’s go with creative. In arts, music f.i., it’s what you strive for. Why not in sports? Within the rules, do what you can. Bright ideas are allowed. The way Audi got 4x4 to be allowed was not altogether kosher, if you think about it. So? See what it achieved
Subcribed! Do some F1 cheats next (Tyrrell and its lead shot thing, for which they were banned in what was clearly a vengeance by the FIA), and why not, a quick recap of the cocaine cowboys boat racing team (Sal Magluta).
Great video, I did already know about the first two cheats, but it's the first time I heard about the Corolla one. But seriously dude, you should take a mentos before start recording xD
Glad you liked it! I recorded this when I was pretty tired on a cheap mic that picks up a lot of noise. You should notice an improvement in audio in my newer videos where I'm using a new, better mic.
I love rally and have many favourites but the Celica GT4 is just gorgeous. I wish Toyota would come back to rallying, with Lancia (allowed to run wild by Fiat).
This is an excellent video! I tend to watch more Touring and F1 than Rally but certainly respect the skill and courses of the latter. Great information and fantastic editing. * Just checked out your uploads and looking forward to going through your inventory. Subscribed.
Depending on how you look at it , every single race team on every single racing style cheats . After all isn't pay to win the ultimate form of cheating . How much money was poured into development and the racing program directly relates to how many wins the team makes . If that isn't pay to win I'm not entirely sure how you would describe it .
You know, I really wanted to include those, but I couldn't find any sources confirming the truth behind them. I know they mentioned them in an episode of the Grand Tour, but I couldn't find any info anywhere else. Thanks for watching!
The gritting of the track was genius. Can't call it cheating because all drivers would have had the advantage. The brilliance, was the team doing the tyre swaps to maximise its effectiveness. Ford was innovation. Toyota was flat out cheating, it was designed deception.
Don’t know who came up with it, but remember when Trelles put ice over the intercooler before start, super cold air for some minutes and was no evidence after melting.
Toyotas mod wasn’t simple, it was a very clever piece of design and machining, if they’d sandbagged a few stages here and there they may have got away with it for a whole season.
Or if they had made it only add 15 or 20hp, but a ~50hp boost on what should have been a 300hp car per the inlet restriction was to much to go unnoticed.
Number 1 and 2 both were legal, so I'm not quite sure why they are in here. They are of course very interestjng cases of exploiting the rules, but there are better examples of cheating in WRC history
Nascar had ingenious cheats , football in the petrol tank , but the best was a 2" hose 10m long that wound its way from the tank to the engine , (no fuel hose size was specified ) , Penske dipped their car in acid and dissolved kilos of weight off it , you could push the guards in if you leant on it ,,there are lots more..
Boost bottles were a big thing a in the 80's on motocrossers. Same principle. On the motocrossers it only gave you a tiny little more torque in one very narrow specific spot down low. It would maybe help on a slippery track, but otherwise it did no good. It faded away.
I'm actually a little proud that Ford was part of this. That is a hellava great system. Still doesn't make up for their stupidly letting GM buy the Xtrac system Ford was using to start dominating 4wd Rallycross in 1984.
Don't forget the reason why Toyota did the restriction bypass. In stock form they were beating everyone else and they had such a big cry about it that Toyota was forced to add more weight to their cars to make it fair for the other teams that couldn't keep up. The bypass was to compensate for the weight
Gotta love the amount of effort put into bringing in salt spreaders and even getting official help in doing it.. Absolute Savage.. 😎
Devious in the best way possible! Thanks for watching!
The only time the Italian government will do work
i mean in a way it's the truth haha
There's a similar story about Austin, with the Mini. Here a group of people ensured that the roads were swept clean. All the other cars were on snow tires and the Minis were not.
@@peacemission305 I believe Monte Carlo is in france/monaco
The turbo tank was such a simple solution it should have never been banned. At some point the rules stifle innovation rather than invite it.
It probably added so little power and, more importantly, for such a short time, that it just adds unnecessary complexity and isn’t really an “innovation” in any meaningful sense
Throwing a bigger engine in and going faster in a spectator sport is not innovation. Rally is not meant to be a blood sport. Restrictor plates encourage technological innovation by forcing engineers to use the available air more efficiently and to look in other areas to gain advantages.
@@hylomane So it's not about going faster, but about going faster? What are you even talking about man.
Those rules are there to keep the sports from turning into all out blood baths because the engine builders can always create more power than tire, brake and suspension technology of the time can handle.
At some point safety has to override fan expectations, too much blood and families with kids won't tune in.
@@zgrb complexity? It’s an air tank and valve! it’s not about adding power but eliminating a dead spot and they work exceptionally well for something so simple!
I think the algorithm is going to pick this video up!
Looks that way, doesn't it! Thanks for watching!
I think it did. Great video. I think it deserves it.
It did.
I just subscribed to this channel
Yep, it got picked up! Great video.😊
This list makes me wonder what kind of "Cheats" in WRC or even other motorsport that were never exposed.
Don't forget,
to pass the homologation, Lancia only made half of the required cars and said "Ah, yes. We put the rest in another car park since this one is full. Let's get some lunch first before we go to the other car park."
IIRC, everybody did that at that time. What i remember as quite shocking is that Lancia at that time made rollbars out of painted cardboard to lighten the car...
@@adriendebosse6941 really? Everybody? Lmaooooo
Also, about the rollbar, I doubt they actually used cardboard. I think they used something light and cheap that still looked like steel. If it was cardboard, they'd be in trouble if fire happened.
@@rikishikato5001 I hope your joking... Being afraid of fire when taking out a rollbar/rollcage. What about when rolling over??? Hitting a tree?? The rollbar is there to stop the driver from becoming tomato paste.
Ever heard the story how Toyota beat homologation with their GT One? So the rules stated that for a car to be allowed to compete at the 24 Hours of Le Mans,it had to able to able to hold a traveling bag in it's compartment. Now Toyota got around this by delivering the car to inspection with an empty fuel tank,arguing that the empty tank can theoratically hold a bag.
@@TheDiner50 but it's too heavy~ it will slow down the car~
Yeah... the 80's were different time...
Fun fact: for the ST205, the drivers themselves didn't know about the cheat and were kinda a little surprised and pissed to find out about it and then lose all their points
Didn't know that haha! Thanks for watching!
oh im sure they were real pissed, imagine winning something you put your heart and soul into,then finding out you only won because your car was rigged. it would strip away all the good feelings from the win because you know your skills didnt win it.
Sai Vootukur thats right.
As for Focus Mk1 - they had a rule that air has to pass through a restrictor plate. And "boost tank" was charged with air that passed the restrictor making it legal.
The other cool thing about the tank, is how simple it was. The idea was just to have a second or so where you had the charge from the tank to supplement the antilag. Genius.
You're right, it was legal until the FIA said no :)
And that's innovation without breaking the rules.
@@themotorsportstory That's why I hate most racing sanctioning bodies. They always eliminate innovation instead of fostering it. (From a former racer.)
@@stickman-1 it's innovation through restriction
Early 1990s factory Lancia Integrale was setting some great times on last stage before service. At service the team was always changing the lifeline bottles in rear of car, that connect to air intake for extinguishing fires.
Instead of fire extinguishing gas looked like they had bottles contained nitrous oxide.
Just to add on what you mentioned, the exhaust of the Lancia would still be glowing red at the service stop.
They never got caught
I think just full-on running nitrous would be far too obvious a cheat. It might be a copy of one of the (alleged) cheats I've heard about the r32 gtr's using in Australian touring cars in the 90s. The fire extinguishers were piped to spray onto the intercooler via a switch.
Rumours of nitrous seem to follow Lancia. They were also alleged to have pressurised the Delta S4 spaceframe with nitrous, I guess it's possible but it feels unlikely. Like Shasta says, running full on nitrous would be too obvious a cheat unless they were very particular about what they did with the NOS plumbing; maybe they were! But my experience with scrutineers is they love catching people out and they do notice shit!
It's not a Cheat, it's Clever Engineering against the rules.
Ceatr?
The Audi body shells from Matter had a structural roll cage. The rear suspension bolted directly to the cage. The front suspension also but this meant the strut was set well back from the normal position to increase castor for faster turn into corners (more nervous). A dummy top mount went into the normal position but the strut was bolted to the roll cage. Very clever, never detected.
Glad I saw this comment. Never noticed that before but I checked some side-on photos of the S1 and yeah the struts are tilted slightly toward the rear of the car. Not sure if that was a cheat though, it feels like an allowed development within the rules but still cool how I'd never noticed over all these years 😆
This titanium anti-lag pressure tank is goood… but these nickel plated washers are ingenious.
Lancia were the greatest rally team of all time. What they achieved with the Delta was amazing, I think Toyota may just about match it with the GR Yaris, but it’s not the same now that the WRC is basically a space frame spec car series.
WRC was certainly a whole different animal back then! Thanks for watching!
GR Yaris is back Corolla front Yaris suspension.
WRC used to use actual factory chasis but now they just build what are essentially tubular frames and wrap them in low quality lightweight bodywork. Much like nascar.
@@That0Homeless0Guy I feel like Toyota knew that rule change was coming, one of the GR’s production runs main advantages to them is the lower rear roofline to allow a better aero package on the WRC spec car…
The production GR Yaris being a 1.6 3 cylinder does fit the R5/Rally 2 specs too though, and those aren’t space frame series as far as Im aware. There’s some privateer teams in regional series that use those specs doing well with the GR.
Yeah, convincing two men to basicaly kill themselves in this tin can of a Delta was a great achievement for sure.
My favorite has got to be salting the tracks and telling politicians I'm helping yall 😂😂😂
Then switching tires in the other racers faces and they not knowing is pretty funny too
Fascinating stuff. Unbelievable to think that Ford installing a whole system to store compressed air in order to aid in lag reduction, was somehow not breaking any rules.. Those were the days I guess. 😎
They were storing compressed air. Genius!
Lancia one made me laugh: I didn't know that but as an Italian, it makes absolutely sense! It must have been something they came up with while having dinner together 😂
It's very Italian, "is this illegal?" "Well, there's nothing saying we can't do this."
I still cant get over how good the Gen one Focus looks on those OZ's
That was the best explanation of the Toyota cheat I've seen so far. That footage of the turbo was invaluable!
I never fully understood it till now. Thank you.
Thanks for the compliment! I had trouble understanding it myself until I stumbled across that footage of the FIA explaining it. It really helps paint a better picture.
@@themotorsportstory Absolutely! Diagrams can only go so far. I tried analysing it when I'd pause other videos but never quite understood what went where exactly.
Can someone explain to me how the device works then please? I understand that the restrictor is in two pieces, and one piece slides out to provide a larger air gap. I just can't see how placing a hose over the top of such an assembly would make the centre slide forward.
Fascinating! I had not heard of any of these. I prefer the first two, as they were clever, but legal. Thanks for making this.
Good point, the first two were technically legal. Thanks for watching!
The Quattro subframes were fitted using eccentric washers to lengthen the wheelbase for better straight line stability. You had to left foot brake (with throttle on) and flick the steering on entering crests to overcome the polar moment of inertia (wanting to go straight on) then you have good choices as you see the road again.
2:11 that impact gun is clever too! One tool with 5 individual heads.
Right? I had never actually seen one like that before.
Man, engineering is amazing and engineers are creative creatures! I've said that innovations are there to make competition think and come with a more innovative idea. I'm totally against banning.
Nice to see a small creator blow up, the editing is good, entertaining content, you have everything big car creators do. Great video, it would be cool to see your future videos
Thank you, that really means a lot!
Yep I remember when Toyota got caught cheating in 1995. Very ingenious really. Citroën also got caught out (but technically not cheating per se) with their original Xsara kitcar some years later. I think it was something to do with the tyres but can't be sure
thank you youtube recommendations, once again giving me exactly what I want to see. A channel covering motorsport stories? okay that's an instant sub here. and the content is really good.
Thanks so much and welcome!
Every time you tell me to “be kind” im always expecting you to tell me to rewind… gets me every video.
Also around this time Ford team were always filling windscreen water bottle at services and roadside even on a very dry rally. The water pipe from the bottle reappeared from the wire bundle sheathed as if electrical cable and went to a sensor on inlet manifold… that was actually a water injector 😮 to increase power
water injection where a part of the cars that where approved.
i do belive i read something about eaven audi used it in group B.
Well, maybe the idea with the salt was quite smart, but you forgot Walter Röhrl behind the steering wheel.
He was a skilled RWD driver, rushing in his Ascona before the Lancia 037.
He maxed his skills out, as he sat down in the Audi Quattro, he successfully fought against with a RWD car.
So, it’s not like you bought the best machines, to do a Gymkhana, it’s like having the skills to do It straight away at a competition, and only crash once ;)
He's quite the wheelman! Thanks for watching!
I do think Toyota started using the ilegal restrictor since Portugal 95, because the increase of power was even noticeable at looking, in the super stage compared to the Subaru right at the start the Toyota gained a car lenght. They stated they were using a new "chip" that increased the power. Yeah, sure...
It could happen lol
The celica cheat is and will allways be the best "Cheat" in motorsport history.
Honestly the Focus’ tank was genius.
Really? Google titanium metal cost and you will be pissed for the 5% boost, against 25% of spring washers of those Celicas'... Those clever cheating JapChaps :D
That Toyota Celica restrictor bypass is so good I'll sit through the whole explanation even though I've heard about it already.
Back in the day where cheating would actually get punished by the FIA even if they thought the idea was good
Thanks for an informative video! I am all for innovation and teams finding grey areas in the rules. I don't consider this cheating, but more like being diligent in understanding the rules and finding unaddressed details which can be used in competition. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! 100% agree. Cheating/rule-bending happens all the time, even in motorsports nowadays. Anyone who thinks otherwise is only kidding themselves.
Good work! This channel gonna blow up!!
I appreciate it, thanks for the support!
Wow, I have to say I highly appreciate this video and the amount of actual research that went into it, especially with the ford story (pointing out how it works properly and pointing out how most people get it wrong etc), all while having a 100% factually correct, entertaining and relatively short format that doesn't feel like cramming too much info into a short time span and is still very detailed and fun to watch, great work!
Thanks so much! No guarantees that I'm 100% correct but I did do a fair bit of research, so I appreciate you recognizing that.
Finally someone acknowledge this and made a video of the best ways around the rules I've ever witnessed in all my 21 years keep uploading man thank u so much h
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@@themotorsportstory no worries my friend
The difference between 'cheating' and 'rule bending' is, in most cases, *fairly* obvious to me: rule bending or innovating is creatively interpreting the rules and regulations to gain an advantage, as well as seeking technical loopholes that are clearly justifiable. Cheating is deliberately and intentionally breaking a stated rule where you *know* and are aware you are violating said rule. Situations where you can argue, with merit, that you genuinely interpreted something one way, and the regulatory body sees it the other, are in most cases not cheating in my books, especially if you can prove that your intent was not to violate a rule.
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This is the first rally video I have been recommended on this platform. Just from its quality, I hope it is not the last
I own a 1994 Celica GT4 in the States because I love the story so much. Imported from Japan for the extra power. It's such a blast to drive. I do hope I will be able to drive more rally homologation cars in the future, but this is the only one I can afford at the moment.
Sounds like a great car to own! Thanks for watching!
It's fascinating how creative people get when they're at pressure!
I disagree with you statement about “5% not contributing to fords wins”. 5% is a lot in racing. And if you have 4 or 5 little things giving you 5% each…. That’s 25%. Having a car that’s 25% faster is HUGE. That’s what racing all about. Squeezing every LITTLE percentage out of your car and driver.
Hey man, loved the video!
Entertaining, educational and fun to watch!
Keep it up, you got a new sub!
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Recommendations are straight bussin this morning. Nice video, fantastic structure and editing
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The use of the spring washers is clever.
Need more of this topic
I'll see what I can dig up!
The Lancia 037 was a cheat sheet galore essentially. Not only did it cheat the rally stage but Lancia practically pulled wools over the eyes of the FIA scrutineers.
So what was said was that each manufacturers has no restrictions for Group B modifications that the only thing that they need to follow was that the safety equipment for the cars be done enough to ensure the driver and co-driver's safety while also in the meantime, be able to produce at least 1,500 homologated cars for sale to the general public.
However, problem. Lancia at that point in late 1982 didn't have enough cars made for the regulation and when the scrutineers went to inspect the car, Lancia only had about 500 037 max. That didn't stop them tho.
Instead, someone had the genius idea of going across town, renting a whole new carpark and storage facility, swiftly commandeer the scrutineers along, push them to have a VEEEERY long lunch while having the entire factory workers that can drive to shift all the 500 or so cars to another location and then have the guy that brought the scrutineers to lunch to lie to the FIA personal that because Lancia's actual workspace can't cope with that many cars and thus another batch of the car was stored across town and when he brought the scrutineers to the 2nd site, the FIA guys were none the wiser that it was actually the same batch of cars that they've checked already at the 1st place and Lancia was actually underproducing by at LEAST 500 vehicles which they promised was being done up (Which they probably didn't) and the FIA, gave them the green light.
I love that story just as much! I actually thought about putting it in here but I was afraid it would make the video too long. Thanks for watching!
@@themotorsportstory Pulling wool over the eyes of scrutineers like this wasn't just done in motorsport but there's actually a VERY well-known story about a now prolific gunmaker worldwide too and that's Accuracy International in Britain.
So AI was all along a 3-men team of riflemakers making rifles for their own competition use and also privately sold some to competition shooters as a sideline during the late 70s. One day, one of their friends told them to try for the new military trials to replace the aging L42A1 which was derived from an even older system dating back to even before the Second Boer War and that's the Lee-Enfield Rifle.
Out of curiosity, they entered the rifle trial of '80 and they initially entered it as a joke as the 3 developers thought it was no way in hell would a ragtag gunmaker that built guns from a shed would ever, EVER beat out top manufacturers like Parker Hale and even Enfield and possibly other Commonwealth-affiliated companies or factories like Lithgow but ohhh boy what a shocker.
In fact, the rifle got picked as even beat out the Parker Hale M85 as the new standard British Military's sniper system as the "L95A1". This shocked the 3-men crew but the funniest was yet to come.
They soon received reports that there will be officers from the procurement office for the Rifles division coming down to check their factory and see if they're up to shape or not but just as stated, they were just 3 men, building guns for themselves and occasional customers, in a shed.
So they quickly find an empty but decent small factory shop, stick some signboard up, toss whatever gunparts they had in their original shed in sequential form across the work desk and then hire a few more people to... "Boost up the worker's count" just for the day.
When the officers came, they checked the "office" after a tour and then congratulated the men. What the officers said just made them all nearly flopped over as the officer said "Oh don't worry. We're here just to make sure that you guys ain't just a few blokes building shoddy guns in a shed and trying to sell it to the British military". But they ARE a few guys building guns in a shed initially and when the guys heard what the officers said, they couldn't help but just control their laughter while leading them out of the factory.
And before you know it, Accuracy International is now one of the best sniper producing company out there with even gamers knowing about their guns being one of the most accurate and solidly built rifle that can take harsh weathers be it cold or heat and the rifle's being used by at least 50 nations.
Didn't Group B only require 200 cars?
Happy you brought the Toyota intake up! I was about to go on about it but I’m glad I watched the whole video lol
The 1.story was insane when i heard it first time in Top Gear from Jeremy Clarkson. And it wasent only thing what they did. They change the rollbars to carton and painted them to look normal rollbars. Think that to drive 150km/h in woods and knowing that.. Crazy guys
Leaving aside some errors and some legends passed off as true (e.g. the one according to which they were only going to build 200 cars and move them around to make them look like 400, in reality Group B only required 200 cars to be built), so the show was not too reliable (TGr and TGT aims for spectacularity and what they say should always be taken with some scepticism), they never said that the rollbars were made of cardboard, they just made a fake rollbar saying that Lancia could have done something similar but the rollbar has to be homologated
Literally any rule: exists
Group B: hold my beer
wtf, I thought it was a big channel bc the quality of the video! +1sub! nicely done!
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Nice video! Really interesting. The case of Mouton in Cote Ivoire 1985 was also really suspicious...
Thank you! Was that the "car swapping" case? I remember reading about that...
@@themotorsportstory yes, that case. The cheat became never "official", but It seemed clear
Great video! That Toyota story is brilliant.
Thank you! It is truly brilliant, isn't it!
Great vid! Loved it :)
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I’ve had two Focus SVTs. We didn’t get the RS model here in the states until recently but the N/A 6speed US models are a lot of fun especially in the two door models.
Glad i found your channel! Really cool stories you got there
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very good content, great editing. thank you
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Only noticed you have 900 subscribers at the end of the video, good job, kept me very entertained.
Thank you!
That Toyota “innovation” was pure genius, well done!
I don't know if there's ever been a more simple yet effective cheat in motorsport!
Lancia also “reportedly” used nitrous oxide hidden firstly In their fire extinguishers and later in the S4 through lines in the roll cage!
I've heard that too! Hard to find any sources that back it up, but I really hope it happened haha. Thanks for watching!
I’d heard all of these, but there are probably a ton more of them. Gotta catch ‘em all! Start with Mini and Paddy Hopkirk, he smuggled stuff in the boot from Russia to sell in Monte Carlo, while racing. Alleged by himself. I think it was vodka and caviar, but please remind me. He wasn’t shy about drivers using ‘performance enhancers’ either.
Me, I like ‘innovation’. Toyota’s was actually a cheat, albeit impressive, but the others… Let’s go with creative. In arts, music f.i., it’s what you strive for. Why not in sports? Within the rules, do what you can. Bright ideas are allowed. The way Audi got 4x4 to be allowed was not altogether kosher, if you think about it. So? See what it achieved
Completely agree! Bright ideas like those make motorsports even more amazing to watch. Good ideas for future videos too! Thanks for watching!
Subcribed! Do some F1 cheats next (Tyrrell and its lead shot thing, for which they were banned in what was clearly a vengeance by the FIA), and why not, a quick recap of the cocaine cowboys boat racing team (Sal Magluta).
Thanks for the support! Great ideas for some future videos too, I'll be sure to look into those!
Great video, I did already know about the first two cheats, but it's the first time I heard about the Corolla one.
But seriously dude, you should take a mentos before start recording xD
Glad you liked it! I recorded this when I was pretty tired on a cheap mic that picks up a lot of noise. You should notice an improvement in audio in my newer videos where I'm using a new, better mic.
Keep up the quality and this channel will blow up
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Great video bro!!!
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The difference between cheating and innovation is gets caught
I love rally and have many favourites but the Celica GT4 is just gorgeous. I wish Toyota would come back to rallying, with Lancia (allowed to run wild by Fiat).
What do you mean, Toyota's the current manufacturers' champions...
Badass video man keep it up
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That’s not cheating that’s racing!😎🤘
Ok then, let's race. You and me. You go first on an icy road, then I put down salt before I have a go....
i thank the algorithm to find you. -nice video and one can see the effort into making this one
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This is an excellent video! I tend to watch more Touring and F1 than Rally but certainly respect the skill and courses of the latter. Great information and fantastic editing.
* Just checked out your uploads and looking forward to going through your inventory. Subscribed.
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Any cheat that gets around engine restrictions I like. Not rally related, but the vw diesel cheat was ingenious.
I knew the Toyota cheat was going to be number 1. Brilliant.
Solid video can’t wait to see future ones
Respect for the time invested in to the video 👍
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LoL the preview of the driver getting massive air was nuts 🤣 bet he's a part time pizza delivery or Door Dash driver
Depending on how you look at it , every single race team on every single racing style cheats . After all isn't pay to win the ultimate form of cheating . How much money was poured into development and the racing program directly relates to how many wins the team makes . If that isn't pay to win I'm not entirely sure how you would describe it .
Great video! Nice coverage
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Haha Walter is my hero! Dude is mad hilarious 😂
I was expecting the fake rollcages to be on the top 3, but these are definetly in the top too!
You know, I really wanted to include those, but I couldn't find any sources confirming the truth behind them. I know they mentioned them in an episode of the Grand Tour, but I couldn't find any info anywhere else. Thanks for watching!
Good Video lads.. SUBSCRIBED 😀
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I throughly enjoyed this video and even more so the comments 👏🏻
Very interesting and very well explained. Keep it up!
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I see underrated channel I immediately subscribe
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Ah yes, Clive, and Nigel, the rally scrutineers
The gritting of the track was genius. Can't call it cheating because all drivers would have had the advantage. The brilliance, was the team doing the tyre swaps to maximise its effectiveness.
Ford was innovation. Toyota was flat out cheating, it was designed deception.
Don’t know who came up with it, but remember when Trelles put ice over the intercooler before start, super cold air for some minutes and was no evidence after melting.
Toyotas mod wasn’t simple, it was a very clever piece of design and machining, if they’d sandbagged a few stages here and there they may have got away with it for a whole season.
It was clever, but still simple. Washers. The way to make it work is where the genius lies.
Or if they had made it only add 15 or 20hp, but a ~50hp boost on what should have been a 300hp car per the inlet restriction was to much to go unnoticed.
@@dutchgray86 Ironically, they didn’t win much that year. All for nothing.
Number 1 and 2 both were legal, so I'm not quite sure why they are in here. They are of course very interestjng cases of exploiting the rules, but there are better examples of cheating in WRC history
#3 wasn't legal, Toyota got banned for it.
@@hugolafhugolaf I meant 1&2, sorry
Nascar had ingenious cheats , football in the petrol tank , but the best was a 2" hose 10m long that wound its way from the tank to the engine , (no fuel hose size was specified ) , Penske dipped their car in acid and dissolved kilos of weight off it , you could push the guards in if you leant on it ,,there are lots more..
Definitely planning a Nascar video like this for the future! Could talk about Smokey Yunick by himself for hours!
Boost bottles were a big thing a in the 80's on motocrossers. Same principle. On the motocrossers it only gave you a tiny little more torque in one very narrow specific spot down low. It would maybe help on a slippery track, but otherwise it did no good. It faded away.
My favorite innovation is when Mouton's Audi magically changed livery overnight.
I'm actually a little proud that Ford was part of this. That is a hellava great system. Still doesn't make up for their stupidly letting GM buy the Xtrac system Ford was using to start dominating 4wd Rallycross in 1984.
Love this video, Lancia is my favorite, because they Italians and Italians are just so clever when it comes to stuff like that
bro got 800 SUBS!!?!?!? thugth you had over 100k from the quality
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Great video 👍
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@@themotorsportstory no worries, thanks for making it!
Just discovered this channel. Subscribed to you guys, keep up the good work 👍
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I wonder what crazy things could have happened if Smokey Yunick took part in Rally and F1.
Probably the most legendary motorsports "innovator" of all time!
Don't forget the reason why Toyota did the restriction bypass. In stock form they were beating everyone else and they had such a big cry about it that Toyota was forced to add more weight to their cars to make it fair for the other teams that couldn't keep up. The bypass was to compensate for the weight