The new house built looks so out of place next to the surrounding properties. Sharon's house was absolutely beautiful in comparison, much like the lady herself.God bless all their innocent souls lost to pure evil that night.
Thank you for sharing, George. Your work is fantastic and very interesting. I am curious if you have ever discovered be the reason as to why the 'twin house' was demolished? I remain curious in regards to that issue.
Because the land is worth a fortune, and the houses older and outdated. People with the money to buy the land aren’t gonna want to live in an older house, they are going to want to build something new.
@@geslinam9703 I sincerely understand what you're saying. It just disturbs my heart when they should have just let the twin house, remain, undisturbed. It will forever be remembered. It crushes my heart. Sharon's legend was destroyed over such removal. It still makes me, cry. It was all that survived of her and the victims. I shall never understand.
Kim Sullivan I see. But, really, life has to go on. Can’t be sentimental when it comes to big money. I knew an elderly couple who bought a beachfront house on the east coast for peanuts after a bad storm in the early 1960s...they just sold it for millions. This is money that will benefit their children, pay for their grandchildren’s educations. Tate won’t be forgotten just because the houses were demolished. She will live on in her movies, and in people’s memories.
In the late 80's, I'd drive up that street twice a week, Cielo Dr. to take care of a customer's pool that lived at the top of the hill on the right, adjacent to Cielo Dr. It was Babe Horrell's house. He was the UCLA football coach in the 40's, and 50's, as I recall. They owned the vacant lot next to them, and bought it, because he didn't want a neighbor. They had quite a commanding view!
Hi George :-) I've watched the previous, longer vid of your trip up the Canyon to Cielo Dr and enjoyed this one just as much. My best friend from high school Kathy and I made a similar trip up the hill back in 1981 but turned right at Bella Dr so we could get a look at Falcon Lair through the front gates lol!! I wanted to go by the Cielo house which was still there at the time but guessed that Kathy wouldn't want to; had to settle for looking across the canyon instead. Even now I cannot stand to see the monstrosity built in it's place! Hope you're doing well :-)
Thank you so much for your very kind comment, I really appreciate that a lot. The view from Falcon Lair is also a very beautiful view of Cielo Drive. I wish I could go back in time and take more pictures and movies of the original house. I also wish I would have had the chance to have gone inside the house. Thank you again, my friend, for the wonderful comment.
I bet the view from that location of the city at night was pretty...even though there was a lot more fog back then...but the rest of it (no offense to Californians) is ugly. If I had that kind of money, I’d be building a house on a lake or the ocean.
Geslina......What part are you talking about when you said it was ugly (????) I'm from So. Calif and no I'm not offended, just wanted to know what exactly you were talking about. If you want to see ugly, trust me; I can show you ugly😝😦😝
I see that Debra Tate is calling for support in her effort to stop Leslie Van Houten from being paroled. Well, i refuse to sign any more such petitions until such time as SHE publicly calls for the release of ALL case files to historians and researchers. LAPD, FBI, CIA, and the Criminal Justice system files, the ones blocked by authorities to such investigators, their efforts disparaged and dismissed by her. Let history, not a legal shyster like Bugliosi, be the final judge of this case.
I remain committed to signing every one of the Tate petitions, up to my last years. I've been signing them ever since Doris Tate has begun the legal documents. I will forever cherish and support Sharon, baby Paul, and the Tate family, as well as the other Cielo Drive victims. It's not just 'a thing' to us supporters. It's the matter of justice.
@@kimsullivan5576 I fully agree, but true justice isn't just putting people in prison and keeping them there; it's knowing the whole story about what happened and all the connections. Sharon's biographer, Greg King, in his review of Tom O'Neill's book last year, stated that the official story is now "full of holes." Debra shows no interest in any of this. One indeed wonders why.
@@davidhailstone7794 I agree with you. However, the guilty defendants received LIFE SENTENCES. Which means LIFE. That is their individual debts to pay, which they owe. They shall remain where they are until their pathetic, tax-exempt lives come to their own demises.The story has developed a few holes, over time. But, those monsters showed not a single ounce of remorse as they laughed, sketched, and yawned boringly, through their trial. Let them perish and let's continue to protect our Nation.
@@kimsullivan5576 completely agree, except there aren't a few holes but huge gaps and omissions , as well as many connections Bugliosi was tasked to ignore. My love is history, and I think like a historian, and history is about the truth, or real history is.
@@davidhailstone7794 Please consider that Bugliosi had zilch to begin his unexpected new case with no motives, at all, when he was handed this bizarre and frightening assignment. If that wasn't real, the book would have never been published, the story would have prolonged the terror of folks everywhere, and very possibly, the crimes may have escalated to such heights that Manson would have conquered his aimed missions. I still remain friends with an old relative of one of the first detectives, who first entered that house on Cielo Drive on August 9, 1969. It still chills me. She said that there where MANY issues which Bugliosi had never written in his book; those very details which were never published. An example?? That detective actually saw the fingernails marks, on one of the living room walls, as to where one of those tragic victims, had literally scratched into that wall, while trying to escape their untimely death. My best guess are that they were possibly the nail marks of Abigail Folger. And no, I am not making that up! I'm a big fan of history, as well. But somehow, I can't forget those final moments of a very young life, being cut so short desperately bad or worse, to their final moment. What a very SAD way to lose life. I have pursued this factual nightmare throughout my own 58 years. Js.
The new house built looks so out of place next to the surrounding properties. Sharon's house was absolutely beautiful in comparison, much like the lady herself.God bless all their innocent souls lost to pure evil that night.
Thank you for sharing, George. Your work is fantastic and very interesting. I am curious if you have ever discovered be the reason as to why the 'twin house' was demolished? I remain curious in regards to that issue.
Me as well. I was excited to actually see the twin house in this video. Sad they are both gone now.
Because the land is worth a fortune, and the houses older and outdated. People with the money to buy the land aren’t gonna want to live in an older house, they are going to want to build something new.
@@geslinam9703 I sincerely understand what you're saying. It just disturbs my heart when they should have just let the twin house, remain, undisturbed. It will forever be remembered. It crushes my heart. Sharon's legend was destroyed over such removal. It still makes me, cry. It was all that survived of her and the victims. I shall never understand.
Kim Sullivan I see. But, really, life has to go on. Can’t be sentimental when it comes to big money. I knew an elderly couple who bought a beachfront house on the east coast for peanuts after a bad storm in the early 1960s...they just sold it for millions. This is money that will benefit their children, pay for their grandchildren’s educations. Tate won’t be forgotten just because the houses were demolished. She will live on in her movies, and in people’s memories.
@@geslinam9703 I respect and appreciate your outlook and opinion. Thank you.
What an eye sore, it was such a beautiful place before tragic but beautiful!
In the late 80's, I'd drive up that street twice a week, Cielo Dr. to take care of a customer's pool that lived at the top of the hill on the right, adjacent to Cielo Dr. It was Babe Horrell's house. He was the UCLA football coach in the 40's, and 50's, as I recall. They owned the vacant lot next to them, and bought it, because he didn't want a neighbor. They had quite a commanding view!
Do u know the address? Or at least the street he was on?
That land is tainted.
Hi George :-) I've watched the previous, longer vid of your trip up the Canyon to Cielo Dr and enjoyed this one just as much. My best friend from high school Kathy and I made a similar trip up the hill back in 1981 but turned right at Bella Dr so we could get a look at Falcon Lair through the front gates lol!! I wanted to go by the Cielo house which was still there at the time but guessed that Kathy wouldn't want to; had to settle for looking across the canyon instead. Even now I cannot stand to see the monstrosity built in it's place! Hope you're doing well :-)
Thank you so much for your very kind comment, I really appreciate that a lot. The view from Falcon Lair is also a very beautiful view of Cielo Drive. I wish I could go back in time and take more pictures and movies of the original house. I also wish I would have had the chance to have gone inside the house. Thank you again, my friend, for the wonderful comment.
@@GESgeorgie69 You're very welcome, George! I certainly would have loved to walk through the house too!!
I bet the view from that location of the city at night was pretty...even though there was a lot more fog back then...but the rest of it (no offense to Californians) is ugly. If I had that kind of money, I’d be building a house on a lake or the ocean.
Geslina......What part are you talking about when you said it was ugly (????) I'm from So. Calif and no I'm not offended, just wanted to know what exactly you were talking about. If you want to see ugly, trust me; I can show you ugly😝😦😝
Great video!
Who wid even want to build a house on a hillside like that. They look like they cud topple over at anytime. Crazy. 👎
Rip 🌈🌈 dear heart s ❤️ 💙 gone to soon 🙏😇♥️💙 may the mansion family rot in jail 👮👩⚖️ 💯💯
A log ranch style home would have been a better choice for this location.
It's a director's home
The new house looks just ready to fall over..
Why is there not an ordinance against building structures on mud-slide, earthquake-prone steep hillsides to begin with?
It's awful
Was the twin home part of Sharon snd Romans place as well or was it just another house like theirs ? Did they rent both locations ?
No they didn’t, it had no connection to the other property
I cry to see the home gone.an now this monster of a home that's got no life.
how old were you in 1969, george? was your mother a sharon fan?
Was Sharon's house at same spot as new mansion being built there?
Yes
..What your age was about while making this Cielo Dr. trip video with mom?...May we ask sir? 🙂
Why?? Why keep going there? It's history the way it was. It's not anymore! Stop it. Crazy train.
Agree.
I don't agree, should of been a memorial, for all who lost there lifes that night.
Ugly out of place the monstrosity they built!
I see that Debra Tate is calling for support in her effort to stop Leslie Van Houten from being paroled. Well, i refuse to sign any more such petitions until such time as SHE publicly calls for the release of ALL case files to historians and researchers. LAPD, FBI, CIA, and the Criminal Justice system files, the ones blocked by authorities to such investigators, their efforts disparaged and dismissed by her. Let history, not a legal shyster like Bugliosi, be the final judge of this case.
I remain committed to signing every one of the Tate petitions, up to my last years. I've been signing them ever since Doris Tate has begun the legal documents. I will forever cherish and support Sharon, baby Paul, and the Tate family, as well as the other Cielo Drive victims. It's not just 'a thing' to us supporters. It's the matter of justice.
@@kimsullivan5576 I fully agree, but true justice isn't just putting people in prison and keeping them there; it's knowing the whole story about what happened and all the connections. Sharon's biographer, Greg King, in his review of Tom O'Neill's book last year, stated that the official story is now "full of holes." Debra shows no interest in any of this. One indeed wonders why.
@@davidhailstone7794 I agree with you. However, the guilty defendants received LIFE SENTENCES. Which means LIFE. That is their individual debts to pay, which they owe. They shall remain where they are until their pathetic, tax-exempt lives come to their own demises.The story has developed a few holes, over time. But, those monsters showed not a single ounce of remorse as they laughed, sketched, and yawned boringly, through their trial. Let them perish and let's continue to protect our Nation.
@@kimsullivan5576 completely agree, except there aren't a few holes but huge gaps and omissions , as well as many connections Bugliosi was tasked to ignore. My love is history, and I think like a historian, and history is about the truth, or real history is.
@@davidhailstone7794 Please consider that Bugliosi had zilch to begin his unexpected new case with no motives, at all, when he was handed this bizarre and frightening assignment. If that wasn't real, the book would have never been published, the story would have prolonged the terror of folks everywhere, and very possibly, the crimes may have escalated to such heights that Manson would have conquered his aimed missions. I still remain friends with an old relative of one of the first detectives, who first entered that house on Cielo Drive on August 9, 1969. It still chills me. She said that there where MANY issues which Bugliosi had never written in his book; those very details which were never published. An example?? That detective actually saw the fingernails marks, on one of the living room walls, as to where one of those tragic victims, had literally scratched into that wall, while trying to escape their untimely death. My best guess are that they were possibly the nail marks of Abigail Folger. And no, I am not making that up! I'm a big fan of history, as well. But somehow, I can't forget those final moments of a very young life, being cut so short desperately bad or worse, to their final moment. What a very SAD way to lose life. I have pursued this factual nightmare throughout my own 58 years. Js.