Despite everyone in the business speak English, especially due to tech and international nature of it. But hey, apparently only HR needs to talk to you in German :)
90% of the people here that work in electronics production are either Filipino or Indian. If you're German (or any other nationality), be prepared to feel isolated as they predominantly speak their own languages, even during work hours! I was the most senior person in my line but I was sidelined and had to resign at the end of last year. There was so much bullying, favouritism and overt in-group preferences going on. The corruption they left behind for a better life, they brought with them and they practise this here. They all get these job through referrals and informal channels. At least 80% of them would not be able to compose a cover letter. I am fluent in the language and have 3 STEM degrees and still cannot secure a job.
@@soundscape26Germany has still not fixed the energy supply problem. What's gonna run TSMC, is it gonna be your stack of plywood in the backyard? Get real, dreamer.
Let me get this right. Germany has favoured China for the longest time. Now they need Chips so they brought Taiwanese company in? I meant, Germany should recognize Taiwan as a country.
And compromise the rest of the 99% trade with China ?😂 I think not. China even makes their underwear. Germany can't afford to pick a fight against China.
Who do you think they sell the shiny new cars they manufacture using these chips to genius? If you guessed the Chinese, full points to you. Chinese are the largest buyers of luxury goods of all kinds from cars to handbags to wines and avocado. Welcome to reality. The holier thn thou hypocrisy of the west no longer works.
Well done Germany , advanced chip makers and electric car manufacturers in your country. Will will help boost your economy, this is stuff to focus on. UK is done as it can’t invest in the real things. Couldn’t even get a battery production plant open 😂
I hope you are wrong about the UK. Every country should be producing chips of their own. We rely too heavily on Taiwan. A minor attack from China could put the rest of the world back a decade.
I love that my European cousins draw up a Chips Act policy too. Europeans will need those semiconductors to defend itself from Russia IF Russia is allowed to win in Ukraine and it won't be pretty.
@@AtheismScientism Because TMSC has all the bargaining power here. They have absolutely no reason to be doing this if not because the US and the EU pressured Taiwan to decentralize chip production more.
Taxpayers get the taxes on all the sales/revenue of this plant. There is also a great benefit of all the local jobs created. And the workers trained will be able to start offshoot companies, and build and sustain a local ecosystem which is vital for Germany's future.
you wont get a direct benefit as a taxpayer for this, however this is one step towards improving the german economy. something which im sure that german tax payers are interested in.
it is cheaper and reliable to get a factory in Germany than to have a ship run through 10 different gauntlets to get it safely, on top of adding to global available supply of semi-conductors
The main reason U$A will never able to compete in Chip manufacturing. All the country that do well in chip manufacturing , has Confucianism culture. For chip manufacturing, a high level of discipline is the key, and most Americans today don't possess it. They call it “forced labour" Taiwanese media reported on August 2 that TSMC claimed the production holdup at its Arizona facility was caused by a shortage of trained American labour and that they had sent staff from Taiwan to assist with the factory's development. Labour union officials in Arizona, on the other hand, criticised TSMC for exploiting this as a justification to bring in "low-wage foreign labour."
Funnily on the opposite Germany will welcome the trainers from tsmc in Taiwan. The colleges here already offer students to visit the tsmc offices to get trained and I think all this will be essential if a war over Taiwan between China and the US should happen. Europe and Germany would be essential for the future of manufacturing chips. Maybe the hold up in the US is on purpose and the same could be seen in Europe. I fear (and so may others) that as soon as tsmc has a major plant online besides in Taiwan, a major war could erupt.
@@jimidando Germany will success just like Japan TSMC . Japan JSMC already in production just 2 years. I work with many German engineer , their level of discipline almost like Japanese.
@@happymelon7129 Maybe EU can also adopt what Japan did to enable a faster constriction. They manage to complete their factory already despite starting after United State's plant... by amending labor/construction law to enable 24/7 construction
Did you not hear that the govt is giving a subsidy to TSMC.. It,s ok if Europe subsidise their factories but if China does the same then it,s tariffs thrown at them. Great hipocracy.
Are you familiar with the semiconductor manufacturing industry and wafer fabs? It's a cyclical industry and its customers, factory productivity, and yield have a greater influence over the factor's profit/loss than the government subsidy that partially funded construction.
@@soundscape26 "Four in ten industrial companies in Germany are considering production cuts in the country or relocating parts of their production capacities outside of the country due to uncertainties regarding energy policy and high energy prices", found a survey by the Association of German Chambers of Industry and Commerce (DIHK), 2 Aug 2024. Telling the truth is called being a Negative Nancy nowadays, people prefer fiction over facts. 😂
touch anything and there's likely to be a chip in there.... if there's a chip in there, 40% chance TSMC had a hand in it. If TSMC vanishes, that crying about the cost of running the factories will be the least of your problems
Crazy part about all of this even tho half if it is funded by tax payers, TSMC will then come and cry about how workers (same tax payers) wants rights ontop of that like basic human rights, overtime pay, sick leave, vacation etc Then say they are shocked that workers want these things because in Taiwan workers are threatened for everything and forced to work 12 hours everyday with no benefits.
workers in Germany don't have to demand those things. for a company to be able to operate in Germany (or any other EU nation) they need to follow worker rights and those already include those things. so anyone going to apply at the factory is already protected by law and entitled to those things.
@@ChristiaanHW Was a report recently about the plant in Arizona and TSMC claimed they were shocked at the fact Americans operated with non slave like conditions so much that they carried them to Taiwan to witness the beauty of the slavery.
it all comes down to how fast the plant can be build and its labor force. Japan's plant despite starting after 2022- is already completed because they have many hard working people and very supportive local government e.g authorized additional road to be build and enable 24/7 construction when weather permits.
@@michaelwang6125 Germany will success just like Japan TSMC . Japan JSMC already in production just 2 years. I work with many German engineer , their level of discipline almost like Japanese.
The main reason U$A will never able to compete in Chip manufacturing. All the country that do well in chip manufacturing , has Confucianism culture. For chip manufacturing, a high level of discipline is the key, and most Americans today don't possess it. They call it “forced labour" Taiwanese media reported on August 2 that TSMC claimed the production holdup at its Arizona facility was caused by a shortage of trained American labour and that they had sent staff from Taiwan to assist with the factory's development. Labour union officials in Arizona, on the other hand, criticised TSMC for exploiting this as a justification to bring in "low-wage foreign labour."
@@happymelon7129 in terms of subsidies; USA provided 10-15%, Japan 40% while Germany (aka EU) was the most generous that provided 50% of the construction-etc cost. Cross figure there won't be too much local dispute (over water/electricity use) or the fact that it'll cause real estate in the surrounding area to rise. (which is good to those who preown house there prior to the announcement and future tax revenue but terrible for new buyers) Glad to see there are many germany who is already in Formosa-Taiwan for training so they can be ready as soon as the plant is completed. A concern for leading tech is the headhunt (e.g Beijing had some success in headhunting Samgsang's employee who basically sold company secrets for immediate profits/position and they have multiple success). Wonder how good EU/Germany's IP protection is and this is one of the reason why Taiwan is a bit sensenatve to transfer 1-3" development after spending billions at R&D.
TSMC does not have democracy as a condition of investment. It,s a case of throw a couple of billion our way then we,LL set up shop there. Building semiconductor factories is not a cheap exercise like any other factory. You need clean dust free rooms and lots of water besides other requirements.
Would be nice if the EU could get more impact on the tech market so we dont have to live under big tech in US and China. (i know this is hardware) But im just saying the whole sector both software and hardware. As it is now we all live under big tech's censor. They decide what is allowed and what is not.
I think its 7"-12" with the primary focus on car manufacturing's needs which are mostly 7-12 inch. Cross finger that Germany can also amend its labor policies for this factory. E.g Japan which started the construction after United state is already complete and they are moving ahead with plant #2 and potentially #3. Labor and/or construction law was amended to enable it to be build 24/7 (if weather allows) and it overall is a win-win for everyone that is involved in the city they are in. Japan even added additional road for the factory which also gives room for expansion... local elementary school now enjoy 'free lunch' since the investment (especially the real estate tax revenue since the announcement of the plant) has been very profitable for the city that was selected
going to go with the range of 7 to 14nm due to initial speed and cost of production as the major industries don't require anything too advanced due to price sensitivities of some industries. Due to the proximity to one of major components to produce better lasers for its production being not too far, don't be too surprised if the factory can catch up quickly to Taiwan and leapfrog in a tic-toc advancement path
@@michaelwang6125 Why should DE change its labor policy for them (or Tesla)? With this labor policy, Germany would become the 3rd largest economy behind the USA and China.
TSMC is the best in world in semiconductor industry. Even American companies are far behind from them. Therefore it's a really impactful decision for Germany to have advanced Technology where the whole Europe are much more lack behind. Without advanced semiconductors the future is blind for any advanced economy.
America isn't far behind anyone and has a large semiconductor and microelectronics industry with automated and manual wafer fab throughout the country. The machines that process the chips; e.g., Applied Materials, are likely from US firms. Your opinion is subjective, so you would need to back it with factual support. Taiwan is far ahead of Mainland China, Japan, and Europe in semiconductor technology, but Taiwan happens to have the most advanced wafer fabs owned by TSMC.
Europe doesn't have a chip manufacturer but produces the machines which are needed to make the chips in the first place. Germany and Netherlands are the main contributors to TSMC.
TSMC is only able to produce those chips because of the machines from a Dutch company ASML, without those machines the last few generations (and the current and future once) of chips wouldn't be possible to produce. and ASML has subcontractors in (among others) Germany. so TSMC has to work together with several EU countries to keep their position.
And which share does the tax payer (through the government) get for their billions in contribution, as usual 0% :D because we still live by the dogma that the state should keep it's hands of anything that could potentially be profitable.
I see you Germans ambition ! 💪 When tsmc had prepared a turn down presentation to meet Olaf Scholz,he came and asked "Money is ready,when will you come ?" tsmc CEO went back and came out a new proposal instead 🤩
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. broke ground in eastern Germany on its first European plant as the continent seeks to safeguard its chip supplies amid growing US-China tensions. “We are dependent on semiconductors for our sustainable future technologies, but we must not be dependent on other regions of the world for the supply of semiconductors,” said German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who attended a ceremony on Tuesday to mark the start of construction of the €10 billion ($11 billion) fab in the city of Dresden. About half of the funding will be covered by state subsidies. Germany is leading the European Union push to produce one-fifth of the world’s semiconductors by 2030, with the bloc seeking to build up capacity following Covid-era disruptions and as the relationship between Washington and Beijing deteriorates. The US, Japan and others are also showering subsidies on the chip industry to localize production of the components that control everything from cutting-edge artificial intelligence to everyday gadgets. TSMC is the world’s biggest contract chipmaker, with Apple Inc. and Nvidia Corp. relying on it for their most important products. It will anchor the Dresden project with a 70% stake in the plant, which will produce chips for the automotive and industrial sectors. TSMC Chief Executive Officer C.C. Wei attended the event together with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and the heads of Infineon Technologies AG, NXP Semiconductors NV and Robert Bosch GmbH, which each hold a 10% stake in the venture. Scholz has emerged as Europe’s biggest backer of the semiconductor industry as he seeks to promote Germany’s tech sector and secure supplies of critical components for the country’s manufacturing businesses.
This is development coupled with technological advancement. Good thing that the rest of the world are moving forward but so sad that my country and Africa in general is retrogressing. No development whatsoever, religion has been used to blindfold most people. A number of times, I always wish people from outside could just come and take over from the senseless that are abound in every nook and cranny of the motherland.
US payer paid 5 billion and in return got a 65 billion TSMC investment for the most advanced chip manufacturing ever made in US. That is way better return than Germany and Japan got. Then again, TSMC’s most important customers are all US based.
It is called incentive and not investment. Why would anyone want to make chis in Germany anyway? They could make better chips at better cost in Taiwan.
Defense for Taiwan is already a thing even before clip become important so its unlikely to change. That is unless USA for some reason wants to enable Beijing to change the existing global order because if Taiwan falls; Japan/S.Korea-etc will be pressured to flip. This is one of the main reason why former Japanese PM say if Taiwan has a problem, Japan too will have a problem and it'll also means USA have a problem.
China does that, too. All their EV's are heavily subsidiced, why Europe lso put tariffs on those. This is common sense since China is threatening to take over Taiwan by force of necessary. Chips are essential in todays production, so smart move to diversity production to other countries, too.
I think one of the main financers are not involved in the company's share percentage. Not even 10 percent goes to the tax payers who are putting up almost half the money!!!
TSMC is Foreign capital company. If ASMC ,JSMC ,ESMS successfully produce the Chips, TSMC will shut the factories on Taiwan, because lose the market share in USA,Japan &EU
This would be a project of great interest to the CCP for obvious reasons. How will their relationship with Vladimir Putin's Russia develop? You can bet they're gonna collaborate even closer.
lol it's clear nobody knows what's going on in the comments. 1. It's producing 28-200 NM chips. China makes the vast majority of these chips at larger scales / lower prices. TSMC's cutting edge chips will still only be produced in Taiwan (5nm and below) 2. China is already making 5 nm chips and is pushing for 3nm in the next 2 years. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw 3nm within a year.
I think that the co-innveators Bosch and NXP uncover that riddle. This fab will be primarily for automotive ICs, where these larger structure sizes are required. The automotive industry lost their fab capacity of these processes during their ill-advised order cancellations during Covid. The old fabs were the repurposed if closed or refurb. As automotive chips are very hard to qualify for this purpose, I think they are restarting these processes to get access to such fabs again. Also, it is a green field fab that needs to be spun up first. No point attempting hard to manage processes with inexperienced staff. Kn top of that a large percentage of the investment is paid for by EU and German tax payers. That will keep the wolf fro. The door gor a while and EU automated will happily take the output of the new fab at the prices ESMC will charge, as theh have no choice. It is also the strategy Global Foundries is running with. There is a shortage of fabs doing these lower end processes and there us good money in thoseas well.
They are, they're basically getting a technology transfer straight from the best in the market. This means Europe is nearly on-par globally when it comes to semiconductor manufacturing. I think Germans benefit ALOT from this deal.
its technology transfer so there is a lot to be gain and a way to maintain a stable supply if there is a major war with Beijing. One of the key reason why many Asian nation (e.g S.Korea/Japan/ and even Singapore) backed Ukraine with sanction on Russia was because they see what Russia did to Ukraine can easily happen across Taiwan' straight. So what happened to Crimera must not repeat and it must end with Putin not achieving his political goal (which kind of already failed) and lands (exclude maybe Crimera) that's currently occupied by Russia must also be returned. Some may even aim higher and Moscow will likely be more focus on avoiding another collapse over expansion. Russia lost the best opportunity it had to ask for a ceasefire deal when it annex 10-15% of Ukraine with little lose during the first 2 month where it may be on the table.
Well done Germany , advanced chip makers and electric car manufacturers in your country. Will will help boost your economy, this is stuff to focus on. UK is done as it can’t invest in the real things. Couldn’t even get a battery production plant open 😂
Job requirements: C1 German language
Despite everyone in the business speak English, especially due to tech and international nature of it. But hey, apparently only HR needs to talk to you in German :)
LOL! 🤣🤣
C1, is too much, english B2
Underrated 😂
90% of the people here that work in electronics production are either Filipino or Indian. If you're German (or any other nationality), be prepared to feel isolated as they predominantly speak their own languages, even during work hours!
I was the most senior person in my line but I was sidelined and had to resign at the end of last year. There was so much bullying, favouritism and overt in-group preferences going on. The corruption they left behind for a better life, they brought with them and they practise this here.
They all get these job through referrals and informal channels. At least 80% of them would not be able to compose a cover letter. I am fluent in the language and have 3 STEM degrees and still cannot secure a job.
Finally some good news for German Economy
Mission accomplished DW, some simple minded folks are optimistic lol
@@mugenmugen9632 Yes, we should all drown in negativism and spend our days crying. 🙄
@@soundscape26Germany has still not fixed the energy supply problem. What's gonna run TSMC, is it gonna be your stack of plywood in the backyard? Get real, dreamer.
2024-8-14 TSMC’s U$. factory has yet to produce a single chip.
Cumulative investment in 4 years reached US$65 billion.
@@mugenmugen9632
No energy outages, what are you talking about? Germany is still one of european major energy exporters.
Russki bot.
Let me get this right. Germany has favoured China for the longest time. Now they need Chips so they brought Taiwanese company in?
I meant, Germany should recognize Taiwan as a country.
And compromise the rest of the 99% trade with China ?😂
I think not.
China even makes their underwear. Germany can't afford to pick a fight against China.
Who do you think they sell the shiny new cars they manufacture using these chips to genius? If you guessed the Chinese, full points to you. Chinese are the largest buyers of luxury goods of all kinds from cars to handbags to wines and avocado. Welcome to reality. The holier thn thou hypocrisy of the west no longer works.
During Covid boost up, Taiwan donated millions of masks to Germany, Germany did not even say any thanks.
Basically germany is giving back the tax it took to the employees by giving more jobs. That is great
Well done Germany , advanced chip makers and electric car manufacturers in your country. Will will help boost your economy, this is stuff to focus on. UK is done as it can’t invest in the real things. Couldn’t even get a battery production plant open 😂
I hope you are wrong about the UK. Every country should be producing chips of their own. We rely too heavily on Taiwan. A minor attack from China could put the rest of the world back a decade.
I love that my European cousins draw up a Chips Act policy too. Europeans will need those semiconductors to defend itself from Russia IF Russia is allowed to win in Ukraine and it won't be pretty.
Cousins😂🤣🤣
Great for Germany, but why do corporate investors get 10% shares each and taxpayers get nothing in return despite paying the majority?
Tax payers pay half and not the majority, good for corporations
@@AtheismScientism Because TMSC has all the bargaining power here. They have absolutely no reason to be doing this if not because the US and the EU pressured Taiwan to decentralize chip production more.
Taxpayers get the taxes on all the sales/revenue of this plant. There is also a great benefit of all the local jobs created.
And the workers trained will be able to start offshoot companies, and build and sustain a local ecosystem which is vital for Germany's future.
@@fupopanda Let them deal with China then.
you wont get a direct benefit as a taxpayer for this, however this is one step towards improving the german economy. something which im sure that german tax payers are interested in.
Why is this not semi state owned if it is payed with taxes?
TSMC is partially state-owned. The government of Taiwan is the largest institutional shareholder of TSMC.
It's partially paid for by the government and doesn't obligate the semiconductor manufacturers to grant the government ownership of the wafer fabs.
Do u want gov run chip fabs?😂
it is cheaper and reliable to get a factory in Germany than to have a ship run through 10 different gauntlets to get it safely, on top of adding to global available supply of semi-conductors
Then it'd be not attractive to TSMC since you can't find any of TSMC fabrics in the world is owned by government.
Even though they are setting up 4 huge factories, it's still impossible to get a job there without connections/referral.
TSMC == GREAT DUDES ;)
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CHIPS AND WORK ;).
❤❤❤
Awesome! Congrats Germany!
My company just invested 1B in Germany for data centers 🎉
1B what potato chips?
TSMC 👍🇹🇼
Twain is a world protective country. China or no other can dare Twain. Europe and America backs Twain.
The main reason U$A will never able to compete in Chip manufacturing.
All the country that do well in chip manufacturing , has Confucianism culture.
For chip manufacturing, a high level of discipline is the key, and most Americans today don't possess it.
They call it “forced labour"
Taiwanese media reported on August 2 that TSMC claimed the production holdup at its Arizona facility was caused by a shortage of trained American labour and that they had sent staff from Taiwan to assist with the factory's development. Labour union officials in Arizona, on the other hand, criticised TSMC for exploiting this as a justification to bring in "low-wage foreign labour."
2024-8-14 TSMC’s U$. factory has yet to produce a single chip.
Cumulative investment in 4 years reached US$65 billion.
Funnily on the opposite Germany will welcome the trainers from tsmc in Taiwan. The colleges here already offer students to visit the tsmc offices to get trained and I think all this will be essential if a war over Taiwan between China and the US should happen.
Europe and Germany would be essential for the future of manufacturing chips.
Maybe the hold up in the US is on purpose and the same could be seen in Europe.
I fear (and so may others) that as soon as tsmc has a major plant online besides in Taiwan, a major war could erupt.
@@jimidando Germany will success just like Japan TSMC .
Japan JSMC already in production just 2 years.
I work with many German engineer , their level of discipline almost like Japanese.
The most active wumao again.
These new industries should be an opportunity to develop Eastern Germany.
Called corporate welfare
Winnie Xitler: What about me?!
Taiwan: Here are some potato CHIPS 4 u! 😭😭🤣🤣
2024-8-14 TSMC’s U$. factory has yet to produce a single chip.
Cumulative investment in 4 years reached US$65 billion.
@@happymelon7129 Maybe EU can also adopt what Japan did to enable a faster constriction.
They manage to complete their factory already despite starting after United State's plant... by amending labor/construction law to enable 24/7 construction
NATO : We need chips
Germany : Let's steal from the lithium deposits in the Bolivian mines😂😂
@@InSomniaExpert Where else do you want them to get it???
@@InSomniaExpert
NATO: not even involved
YOU: not genuinely interested in EU politics
People not understanding TSMC could go anywhere. Thats why Europe paid. Its that simple
could? but for some reason goes to some particular places like us or germany.
where ? Kongo ? they want to produce in safe surrounding and want to get their hands on educated workers ...
Every country wants the factories and the jobs.
So the taxpayers contribute billions but will have zero shares of the factory... yikes
Did you not hear that the govt is giving a subsidy to TSMC..
It,s ok if Europe subsidise their factories but if China does the same then it,s tariffs thrown at them. Great hipocracy.
Shortage of skilled labor is very acute in Germany
In light of ongoing events, I hope it will have proper basements.
What will this give tax payers in return? only 2000 jobs?
Because we are ruled by global corporate socialism
When the chip factories opened everywhere , it means the price of chip will slump !
Technology decides everything
at least, they dont fund the president's palaces and luxury cars like we, turkish people, do in Turkey
Tolle Arbeit! Mach weiter so.
Surely it will be closed again when the subsidies are over and its costly to run the factories.
Such a joy coming here to ear from the Negative Nancies. Please keep that positivism going. 👍
Are you familiar with the semiconductor manufacturing industry and wafer fabs? It's a cyclical industry and its customers, factory productivity, and yield have a greater influence over the factor's profit/loss than the government subsidy that partially funded construction.
subsidies are for the initial construction no ? Electricity cost going up since nuclear was cancelled will cause more problems
@@soundscape26 "Four in ten industrial companies in Germany are considering production cuts in the country or relocating parts of their production capacities outside of the country due to uncertainties regarding energy policy and high energy prices", found a survey by the Association of German Chambers of Industry and Commerce (DIHK), 2 Aug 2024. Telling the truth is called being a Negative Nancy nowadays, people prefer fiction over facts. 😂
touch anything and there's likely to be a chip in there.... if there's a chip in there, 40% chance TSMC had a hand in it. If TSMC vanishes, that crying about the cost of running the factories will be the least of your problems
Crazy part about all of this even tho half if it is funded by tax payers, TSMC will then come and cry about how workers (same tax payers) wants rights ontop of that like basic human rights, overtime pay, sick leave, vacation etc
Then say they are shocked that workers want these things because in Taiwan workers are threatened for everything and forced to work 12 hours everyday with no benefits.
workers in Germany don't have to demand those things.
for a company to be able to operate in Germany (or any other EU nation) they need to follow worker rights and those already include those things. so anyone going to apply at the factory is already protected by law and entitled to those things.
@@ChristiaanHW Was a report recently about the plant in Arizona and TSMC claimed they were shocked at the fact Americans operated with non slave like conditions so much that they carried them to Taiwan to witness the beauty of the slavery.
Then they get trash German pay. I don’t think TSMC would mind.
Employ some German locals. Europe should open more factories and employ young people/ students.
2024-8-14 TSMC’s U$. factory has yet to produce a single chip.
Cumulative investment in 4 years reached US$65 billion.
it all comes down to how fast the plant can be build and its labor force.
Japan's plant despite starting after 2022- is already completed because they have many hard working people and very supportive local government
e.g authorized additional road to be build and enable 24/7 construction when weather permits.
@@michaelwang6125 Does Germany have enough electricity? . Will the United States allow Germany to obtain cheap energy from Russia?
@@michaelwang6125 Germany will success just like Japan TSMC .
Japan JSMC already in production just 2 years.
I work with many German engineer , their level of discipline almost like Japanese.
The main reason U$A will never able to compete in Chip manufacturing.
All the country that do well in chip manufacturing , has Confucianism culture.
For chip manufacturing, a high level of discipline is the key, and most Americans today don't possess it.
They call it “forced labour"
Taiwanese media reported on August 2 that TSMC claimed the production holdup at its Arizona facility was caused by a shortage of trained American labour and that they had sent staff from Taiwan to assist with the factory's development. Labour union officials in Arizona, on the other hand, criticised TSMC for exploiting this as a justification to bring in "low-wage foreign labour."
@@happymelon7129 in terms of subsidies; USA provided 10-15%, Japan 40% while Germany (aka EU) was the most generous that provided 50% of the construction-etc cost.
Cross figure there won't be too much local dispute (over water/electricity use) or the fact that it'll cause real estate in the surrounding area to rise. (which is good to those who preown house there prior to the announcement and future tax revenue but terrible for new buyers)
Glad to see there are many germany who is already in Formosa-Taiwan for training so they can be ready as soon as the plant is completed.
A concern for leading tech is the headhunt (e.g Beijing had some success in headhunting Samgsang's employee who basically sold company secrets for immediate profits/position and they have multiple success). Wonder how good EU/Germany's IP protection is and this is one of the reason why Taiwan is a bit sensenatve to transfer 1-3" development after spending billions at R&D.
Good. I hope this can be diversified in democratic countries in Asia, Europe, and North America. Other critical industries too.
TSMC does not have democracy as a condition of investment. It,s a case of throw a couple of billion our way then we,LL set up shop there. Building semiconductor factories is not a cheap exercise like any other factory. You need clean dust free rooms and lots of water besides other requirements.
What happened to the Intel factory which they planned to build near Magdeburg?
Such a huge discount.... intelligente Taiwan bizman
Tsmc is very nice and eco friendly company ❤❤❤. I think good such companies should grow so stability of inner circle of europe...
ECO friendly?..LOL how so?
@@mrtee3477 YES Just go find relevant news and see if there are any problems caused by her environment.
This happened because Lithuanians do support Taiwan.
Vast majority of germans support EU and democracy. Don't worry.
Would be nice if the EU could get more impact on the tech market so we dont have to live under big tech in US and China. (i know this is hardware) But im just saying the whole sector both software and hardware. As it is now we all live under big tech's censor. They decide what is allowed and what is not.
So my next AMD Ryzen CPU will be manufactured in Germany?
Good project. I hope it would not destroy the environment
How many nanometre will be produced in this factory?
I think its 7"-12" with the primary focus on car manufacturing's needs which are mostly 7-12 inch.
Cross finger that Germany can also amend its labor policies for this factory.
E.g Japan which started the construction after United state is already complete and they are moving ahead with plant #2 and potentially #3.
Labor and/or construction law was amended to enable it to be build 24/7 (if weather allows) and it overall is a win-win for everyone that is involved in the city they are in. Japan even added additional road for the factory which also gives room for expansion... local elementary school now enjoy 'free lunch' since the investment (especially the real estate tax revenue since the announcement of the plant) has been very profitable for the city that was selected
going to go with the range of 7 to 14nm due to initial speed and cost of production as the major industries don't require anything too advanced due to price sensitivities of some industries. Due to the proximity to one of major components to produce better lasers for its production being not too far, don't be too surprised if the factory can catch up quickly to Taiwan and leapfrog in a tic-toc advancement path
@@michaelwang6125 Why should DE change its labor policy for them (or Tesla)? With this labor policy, Germany would become the 3rd largest economy behind the USA and China.
TSMC is the best in world in semiconductor industry. Even American companies are far behind from them. Therefore it's a really impactful decision for Germany to have advanced Technology where the whole Europe are much more lack behind. Without advanced semiconductors the future is blind for any advanced economy.
A monopoly
Europe isnt lacked behind the dutch literally makes the machines to produce those chips
America isn't far behind anyone and has a large semiconductor and microelectronics industry with automated and manual wafer fab throughout the country.
The machines that process the chips; e.g., Applied Materials, are likely from US firms. Your opinion is subjective, so you would need to back it with factual support.
Taiwan is far ahead of Mainland China, Japan, and Europe in semiconductor technology, but Taiwan happens to have the most advanced wafer fabs owned by TSMC.
Europe doesn't have a chip manufacturer but produces the machines which are needed to make the chips in the first place. Germany and Netherlands are the main contributors to TSMC.
TSMC is only able to produce those chips because of the machines from a Dutch company ASML, without those machines the last few generations (and the current and future once) of chips wouldn't be possible to produce.
and ASML has subcontractors in (among others) Germany.
so TSMC has to work together with several EU countries to keep their position.
Taxpayers pay for it? 0_o. Wtf… but… but why???
And which share does the tax payer (through the government) get for their billions in contribution, as usual 0% :D because we still live by the dogma that the state should keep it's hands of anything that could potentially be profitable.
Working at a facility that makes chips for gasoline engines????? You gotta be kidding me. Who is smoking the crack pipe?
I see you Germans ambition ! 💪 When tsmc had prepared a turn down presentation to meet Olaf Scholz,he came and asked "Money is ready,when will you come ?" tsmc CEO went back and came out a new proposal instead 🤩
And how much shares do tax payers own in it vs the big corporate? None vs all? Capitalism for the poor, socialism for the rich
Ouch 🇨🇳
clam down, It’s 28 nanometer
and they somehow have a free factory that was fully paid for by TSMC..... not that they are going to go past 10nm too soon
Y,China is scared, hahh get lost
Amazing!
a chipyard.
Will it run on coal? Please tell me it will run on coal.
26,1%
I think the key is to benchmark Japan,JSMC. What Germans can do better than Japanese ? Yes,we saw the Americans 😂
I am a Chinese and I am mad.
我是台灣人 我很高興我們的驕傲
This is good news!.
Getting to the point
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. broke ground in eastern Germany on its first European plant as the continent seeks to safeguard its chip supplies amid growing US-China tensions.
“We are dependent on semiconductors for our sustainable future technologies, but we must not be dependent on other regions of the world for the supply of semiconductors,” said German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who attended a ceremony on Tuesday to mark the start of construction of the €10 billion ($11 billion) fab in the city of Dresden. About half of the funding will be covered by state subsidies.
Germany is leading the European Union push to produce one-fifth of the world’s semiconductors by 2030, with the bloc seeking to build up capacity following Covid-era disruptions and as the relationship between Washington and Beijing deteriorates. The US, Japan and others are also showering subsidies on the chip industry to localize production of the components that control everything from cutting-edge artificial intelligence to everyday gadgets.
TSMC is the world’s biggest contract chipmaker, with Apple Inc. and Nvidia Corp. relying on it for their most important products. It will anchor the Dresden project with a 70% stake in the plant, which will produce chips for the automotive and industrial sectors.
TSMC Chief Executive Officer C.C. Wei attended the event together with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and the heads of Infineon Technologies AG, NXP Semiconductors NV and Robert Bosch GmbH, which each hold a 10% stake in the venture.
Scholz has emerged as Europe’s biggest backer of the semiconductor industry as he seeks to promote Germany’s tech sector and secure supplies of critical components for the country’s manufacturing businesses.
GSMC
DW really don't see there are much less people trusting them?
Then why are you in the comments trolling as if DW cares about your opinion? No one forced you to watch this channel.
I have seen this before
Funded by Taxpayers owned my private companies got it.
like in every developed country
Nice one 🎉
Awesome
This is development coupled with technological advancement. Good thing that the rest of the world are moving forward but so sad that my country and Africa in general is retrogressing. No development whatsoever, religion has been used to blindfold most people. A number of times, I always wish people from outside could just come and take over from the senseless that are abound in every nook and cranny of the motherland.
Pay reparations to Poland.
Btw., Intel builds a chip production line in Germany as well. Same conditions.
Poland received Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia from Germany.
we have and cessions of territory
Taxpayers pays 5 billion but gets NO percentage
US payer paid 5 billion and in return got a 65 billion TSMC investment for the most advanced chip manufacturing ever made in US. That is way better return than Germany and Japan got. Then again, TSMC’s most important customers are all US based.
It is called incentive and not investment. Why would anyone want to make chis in Germany anyway? They could make better chips at better cost in Taiwan.
Per Job 1 Million Taxes Euro its Crazy!
@@mjhou4123 far more in the US
24 hours on call…..good luck to……German engineers’ livers
Still labour should come from outside anyway....
I love chips! What is your favorite dip?
Heavily subsidy by the government. I thought the chinese government is doing that only. 😂
Oh we Netherlands, we always punch above our weight.
德國親中，我並不贊成台積電幫助德國，我也不喜歡德國
So no more military defence for Taiwan?
Defense for Taiwan is already a thing even before clip become important so its unlikely to change.
That is unless USA for some reason wants to enable Beijing to change the existing global order because if Taiwan falls; Japan/S.Korea-etc will be pressured to flip.
This is one of the main reason why former Japanese PM say if Taiwan has a problem, Japan too will have a problem and it'll also means USA have a problem.
You sound hopelessly confused. Are you okay?
No one talking about Europeans subsidies?
China does that, too.
All their EV's are heavily subsidiced, why Europe lso put tariffs on those.
This is common sense since China is threatening to take over Taiwan by force of necessary.
Chips are essential in todays production, so smart move to diversity production to other countries, too.
@@oneshothunter9877 therefore you admit that subsidies all these economies subsidize their industries including the EU car industry.
scam
once the company is fed up with Dresden, they are going to sell the factory and leave for another country to repeat the process.
this makes no sence
@@arnodobler1096 what is "sence"?
@@tilmanpott sense sorry
So it's a question of time when half of it ends up in Russia
nice
I think one of the main financers are not involved in the company's share percentage. Not even 10 percent goes to the tax payers who are putting up almost half the money!!!
It took US and Germany a while to get TSMC on their shores and they are still years away …
What is this? A chip manufacturing facility for ants?the factory has to be at least… three times bigger than this!
Thank god those woke environmental activists didn't do anything like what they did with the Tesla factory.
well that area has a lot of water and isn't the driest region in Germany
no woke? sleep more
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Socialism for capitalists , or National Socialism ?
define the terms, but please do not use the US version!
Mashallah😚
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TSMC is Foreign capital company. If ASMC ,JSMC ,ESMS successfully produce the Chips, TSMC will shut the factories on Taiwan, because lose the market share in USA,Japan &EU
很難 大陸都花上百億美金打不贏了 紫光以前說要收購台積電 如今也沒了 三星也是成功生產晶片阿 但技術比人家差不可能會贏
TAIPAI HONG KONG GERLACH NANE PREFECT OF GENEVA MILD PSYCHOSIS SYMPTOMS
By "German" taxe payer u mean fore8gn workers who pay taxes in Germany.. right?. Since when do germans work enough to pay taxes?
As an immigrant who lives and works in Germany, "Sir you are talking BS."
@@dhtran681 You sound like an immigrant who has either not begun working or is new and has yet to see the reality 😅
@@samlatooni then proof it. 😂😂 Otherwise it would be another BS.
wtf???
This would be a project of great interest to the CCP for obvious reasons. How will their relationship with Vladimir Putin's Russia develop? You can bet they're gonna collaborate even closer.
2 loser countries working together are still loser countries...
lol it's clear nobody knows what's going on in the comments.
1. It's producing 28-200 NM chips. China makes the vast majority of these chips at larger scales / lower prices. TSMC's cutting edge chips will still only be produced in Taiwan (5nm and below)
2. China is already making 5 nm chips and is pushing for 3nm in the next 2 years. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw 3nm within a year.
Okay, CCP bot 🇨🇳. It sounds like you want to be taken seriously, but you don't come off as genuine and unbiased.
Oh yeah, that superb China. That can't even make one single famous video game. 😅
I think that the co-innveators Bosch and NXP uncover that riddle. This fab will be primarily for automotive ICs, where these larger structure sizes are required. The automotive industry lost their fab capacity of these processes during their ill-advised order cancellations during Covid. The old fabs were the repurposed if closed or refurb. As automotive chips are very hard to qualify for this purpose, I think they are restarting these processes to get access to such fabs again.
Also, it is a green field fab that needs to be spun up first. No point attempting hard to manage processes with inexperienced staff. Kn top of that a large percentage of the investment is paid for by EU and German tax payers. That will keep the wolf fro. The door gor a while and EU automated will happily take the output of the new fab at the prices ESMC will charge, as theh have no choice. It is also the strategy Global Foundries is running with.
There is a shortage of fabs doing these lower end processes and there us good money in thoseas well.
amazing so german taxpayers should benefit from it then ? not
Jobs baba
They are, they're basically getting a technology transfer straight from the best in the market. This means Europe is nearly on-par globally when it comes to semiconductor manufacturing. I think Germans benefit ALOT from this deal.
Rich will be richer, its a monopoly
More Daten!
its technology transfer so there is a lot to be gain and a way to maintain a stable supply if there is a major war with Beijing.
One of the key reason why many Asian nation (e.g S.Korea/Japan/ and even Singapore) backed Ukraine with sanction on Russia was because they see what Russia did to Ukraine can easily happen across Taiwan' straight. So what happened to Crimera must not repeat and it must end with Putin not achieving his political goal (which kind of already failed) and lands (exclude maybe Crimera) that's currently occupied by Russia must also be returned. Some may even aim higher and Moscow will likely be more focus on avoiding another collapse over expansion. Russia lost the best opportunity it had to ask for a ceasefire deal when it annex 10-15% of Ukraine with little lose during the first 2 month where it may be on the table.
China's company
China No.1
TSMC is not China
They stole it from the Bolivian mines😂😂😂
Germany done without cheap russian energy.
russia is replaceable, just like any other supplier.
Environmental protectors.
hi
Well done Germany , advanced chip makers and electric car manufacturers in your country. Will will help boost your economy, this is stuff to focus on. UK is done as it can’t invest in the real things. Couldn’t even get a battery production plant open 😂