Despite the comments below, I've had a Defender 130 for a 6 months and a Wrangler for 2 years previously. The Defender blows the Wrangler off the road! Defender wins hands down.
The jeep wrangler 4xe is fantastic and really performs amazingly ! The high country looks as good as a gwagon .. jmo ! The defender is pretty but flawed.
I purchased a Land Rover Defender 130 First Edition in October of 2022. It is my fourth Range Rover/Land Rover Vehicle over the last 25 years, and it is the BEST, Most Reliable of them all! After over 8,000 miles of road and off-road driving it is superior to nearly all other SUVs in both comfort, amazing features and drive-ability! The off road capability is even better than the old defender by far, with power of nearly 400 horsepower and 406 feet of torque. The creature comforts are just tremendous in both the myriad of variety provided and usability! Dive it and you will buy it!!! 👍🏻👏🏻
legend says JLR owners smile two times When you buy JLR...and when you sell JLR,,, another legend says JLR owners don't say hello each other when they meet because they already met at the service center that morning...
I’ve owned one Land Rover in my lifetime. I loved the quirks, styling, the ride, but dreaded the repair bills which always exceeded $1000 and in one case $5000.
I own a 110 HSE. No faults that make the car undriveable, but a couple of small things that are annoying and the dealership have struggled to correct. The drivers side A pillar from the windscreen vibrates at 70mph+ LR have had this twice now and its going back for a 3rd time. Each time its a 6 week plus wait for a service space. The other niggle is a warning light for the coolant level keeps appearing, despite the coolant level being fine. LR head office apparently test every returned part now and wont pay the dealer if they cannot replicate the fault. This makes the dealer vary cautious about any warranty work needed and can be a nightmare for the owner. My tip is film everything and use it to prove any intermittent fault to the dealer. Do not buy one of these cars unless you can afford the extended warranty of approximately £1k pa
we had the 2022 defender with the supercharged V8 brand new,now it has 12000kms.Apparently its fully sealed underneath and has always been driven on the road and occassionally off road on light dirt tracks.The day it was sold,the customer said the interior floor was flooded.Landrover did a full check and found two of the seals in the front guards (which never comes in contact with anything from the ground) had broken and water leaked into the cabin.Nobody can explain why this happened.Still under warranty but Landrover wont front up anything for $24,000K worth of damage to two modules and the amp.Yeah nah the build quality is shit compared to a G Wagon.
I need to think long and hard about reliability. As far as styling and utility, I would buy one all day long. Not sure the V8 is worth a $20k upcharge which has me looking at an X5M60i as well.
Opinions are subjective, information needs to be analysed, but raw data is fact; and the data shows that JLR is THE most unreliable vehicle brand so stop buying them and they might address the issues. They’re laughing at the buyers all the way to the bank so you deserve what you get in my opinion
I have a V8 90. Quicksilver exhaust. Lowered with Johnson rods. Kahn body kit. All blacked out limo tints etc. Oh also have the wheel spacers. 650 HP upgrade and 23" wheels coming. Way more masculine and fun than my 2022 g63. I paid 115k cash and all in it will be around 140k. Great deal. Love it. Will never go off road other than my travel driveway. Asked once about my definition of success, I answered " being able to go 90 mph down my driveway"
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Zero. I don't work. But I have a lot of fun. My g63 was a chick car. This truck makes me as happy as one of my v12 Ferraris. It's great. I have the puddle lights modified to my family crest. Love this truck.
The JLR brand is consistently at the bottom of the unreliable list. Cars are designed to get you there and back; their products will let you down, so they fail as a vehicle.
I was once a LR fan and owner. Reliability issues, unnecessary service visits, and terrible resale. Sorry but I’m out. Each mile you drive, it’s roughly a $1 per mile in loss of value. I want to like them again. But I just can’t wrap my head around the insane price points. Finally, I think Lexus and Toyota are gonna kill it next year with the new GX550 and New Prado based Land Cruiser. I can’t believe I said that, much less that I think I’m gonna look at both. Superior resale, reliability, and yes the performance will be excellent. JMO …
I've just been reading about how problematic recovering a Defender is, if it's in a truly offroad situation. Its owner's manual is very enlightening. "The vehicle should not be towed on all four wheels and should not be recovered with the front or rear wheels suspended. Doing so can result in serious transmission damage. The method for recovery and/or transportation of the vehicle is on a transporter or trailer designed for that purpose." "The recovery agent must activate the transmission park release before recovery commences. The procedure for activating the transmission park release is covered in a separate publication for service personnel." If you don't, the following happens: "If Neutral (N) is selected and the engine is then switched off, the transmission automatically selects Park (P) after 10 minutes has elapsed. If the transmission park release mechanism has not been activated and the vehicle is being towed, serious damage to the transmission will result." "If the vehicle cannot be recovered via the correct method, the vehicle can be towed on all four wheels for a short distance." " Do not tow the vehicle for more than 50 km (30 miles). Do not exceed 50 km/h (30 mph). Towing for a greater distance or at a higher speed may result in serious damage to the transmission." So you can only go offroad to places that are within 50-ish km of access to a flatbed truck. ... but you can't even go that far unless you've learnt how to activate the transmission park release. " Only tow the vehicle in a forward direction with all four wheels on the ground. Towing in a reverse direction, or with only two wheels on the ground, will cause serious damage to the transmission." What if pulling it out backwards is the only access to where it's stuck? " Do not tow the vehicle if the transmission cannot be set in Neutral (N)." "Do not tow the vehicle if the rear electronic differential has failed in the locked position." Crikey. With electrics that shut down the whole vehicle at the drop off a hat, how on earth does all THAT make it a good choice for serious offroading? Australia? Any continent except Europe? Hmm...
Buy it, and be bullied by every old school Defender owners. Will be called Nutella boy, mommy’s boy Is not being jealous take me as example have a Range Rover but don’t dismiss my old faithful Defender and if you try to follow one in extreme terrain expect to stay on the trail sooner or later. Last year one Nutella boy try to follow a few lads on a trail with that Nutella new defender, he capsized. As I saw one vehicle for one appropriately occasion.
Don't buy one, I have one that has a driveline vibration and Land Rover say it's operating within design limits. My ride on mower is smoother. Customer support is non existing and be warned.
Most unreliable car brand ever makes a another one which will never see off roading and who actually does off reading will not evan touch it with a ten foot pole. Cause they want to come out of the bush without getting stranded. Vehicle for wanna be machomen who doesn't have money for a range rover but needs validation that they want to be associated with a overpriced piece of crap.
The only disappointment is the limitation to 20 inch wheels in the nicer models. 20 inch wheels are only good for urban use and totally useless off road
Range Rover is the only dealership still charging premiums!!! Bmw ,Audi, Mercedes Are not Which makes no sense Bmw Audi Mercedes are all strong companies. Where as Land Rover is Almost Bankrupt. Something is going on here are they making one last push???? Or is the company that poorly managed????
I purchased a Land Rover Defender 130 First Edition in October of 2022. It is my fourth Range Rover/Land Rover Vehicle over the last 25 years, and it is the BEST, Most Reliable of them all! After over 8,000 miles of road and off-road driving it is superior to nearly all other SUVs in both comfort, amazing features and drive-ability! The off road capability is even better than the old defender by far, with power of nearly 400 horsepower and 406 feet of torque. The creature comforts are just tremendous in both the myriad of variety provided and usability! Dive it and you will buy it!!! 👍🏻👏🏻
Despite the comments below, I've had a Defender 130 for a 6 months and a Wrangler for 2 years previously. The Defender blows the Wrangler off the road! Defender wins hands down.
I am thinking of the same upgrade. I’ve leased 3 keep wranglers. Thinking of making the jump to the Defender. Researching it now.
The jeep wrangler 4xe is fantastic and really performs amazingly ! The high country looks as good as a gwagon .. jmo ! The defender is pretty but flawed.
Defender a luxury suv, Jeep wrangler more offroad not suv and engine Defender more power V8
I have a modified Jeep gladiator, and my wife has the defender 110. Love my truck but damn that defender is unreal.
I purchased a Land Rover Defender 130 First Edition in October of 2022. It is my fourth Range Rover/Land Rover Vehicle over the last 25 years, and it is the BEST, Most Reliable of them all! After over 8,000 miles of road and off-road driving it is superior to nearly all other SUVs in both comfort, amazing features and drive-ability! The off road capability is even better than the old defender by far, with power of nearly 400 horsepower and 406 feet of torque. The creature comforts are just tremendous in both the myriad of variety provided and usability! Dive it and you will buy it!!! 👍🏻👏🏻
Drive it and you will buy it is right. Especially with the P400 motor it’s powerful. 0-60 in 5.7 sec.
legend says JLR owners smile two times
When you buy JLR...and when you sell JLR,,,
another legend says JLR owners don't say hello each other when they meet
because they already met at the service center that morning...
Says the people who can't afford one or who never owned one
I’ve owned one Land Rover in my lifetime. I loved the quirks, styling, the ride, but dreaded the repair bills which always exceeded $1000 and in one case $5000.
Warranty 🤷♂️
😢😢😢😢😢😢
Soooo much pain financially😢😢😢😢
I'll take $500 for something that never happened Alex
I own a 110 HSE. No faults that make the car undriveable, but a couple of small things that are annoying and the dealership have struggled to correct. The drivers side A pillar from the windscreen vibrates at 70mph+ LR have had this twice now and its going back for a 3rd time. Each time its a 6 week plus wait for a service space. The other niggle is a warning light for the coolant level keeps appearing, despite the coolant level being fine. LR head office apparently test every returned part now and wont pay the dealer if they cannot replicate the fault. This makes the dealer vary cautious about any warranty work needed and can be a nightmare for the owner. My tip is film everything and use it to prove any intermittent fault to the dealer. Do not buy one of these cars unless you can afford the extended warranty of approximately £1k pa
love this truck can't wait to taste drive it
we had the 2022 defender with the supercharged V8 brand new,now it has 12000kms.Apparently its fully sealed underneath and has always been driven on the road and occassionally off road on light dirt tracks.The day it was sold,the customer said the interior floor was flooded.Landrover did a full check and found two of the seals in the front guards (which never comes in contact with anything from the ground) had broken and water leaked into the cabin.Nobody can explain why this happened.Still under warranty but Landrover wont front up anything for $24,000K worth of damage to two modules and the amp.Yeah nah the build quality is shit compared to a G Wagon.
Yes, I will.
They're awesome , but I don't have the $$$ laying around.😢😂
The styling is second to none. a Poor reliability past, expensive maintenance and with minimal improvents on these issues haunt this brand.
My defender 90 has been solid for 10,000 miles. No issues.
Me gusta land Rover para mi hijo Jose David
My 90 p400 will be here in May 👍
Just got mine, so sick
@@william8855 Hey William, how's things going so far with your 90? All good I hope?
They're awesome. And I like this design better than the 2024. Hopefully, one day. Sigh.
Better than 2024? There is no 2024 model
@@doniron4637 All those 2024 Land Rover Defenders in the internet and Google must be a glitch in the matrix.
I know nothing about off road trucks, but why would a 4 cylinder be a better option for off roading than a way more capable v8? 🤔
Irrelevant
I need to think long and hard about reliability. As far as styling and utility, I would buy one all day long. Not sure the V8 is worth a $20k upcharge which has me looking at an X5M60i as well.
i love contrent
V8 Defender is NO Cayenne turbo or X5M. Not even close. the X5M60 is 0-60 in 3.9 the V8 defender is 5.1.
I might have missed it, did you cover the electrical short problems they are having?
Opinions are subjective, information needs to be analysed, but raw data is fact; and the data shows that JLR is THE most unreliable vehicle brand so stop buying them and they might address the issues. They’re laughing at the buyers all the way to the bank so you deserve what you get in my opinion
I have a V8 90. Quicksilver exhaust. Lowered with Johnson rods. Kahn body kit. All blacked out limo tints etc. Oh also have the wheel spacers. 650 HP upgrade and 23" wheels coming. Way more masculine and fun than my 2022 g63. I paid 115k cash and all in it will be around 140k. Great deal. Love it. Will never go off road other than my travel driveway. Asked once about my definition of success, I answered " being able to go 90 mph down my driveway"
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Zero. I don't work. But I have a lot of fun. My g63 was a chick car. This truck makes me as happy as one of my v12 Ferraris. It's great. I have the puddle lights modified to my family crest. Love this truck.
The JLR brand is consistently at the bottom of the unreliable list. Cars are designed to get you there and back; their products will let you down, so they fail as a vehicle.
The worst electronics omg. People buy these cars for one reason…the name. Great looking car but you can get something equivalent for $20k-$30k less.
I haeve 1 New defender 90 arsom 4x4 the best ❤
No offroad testing?
These go off-road about as much as Prius’ do.
Because the Prius won't break at the next corner Lol!@@tpolerex7282
Not interested in this unless they bring the diesel powertrain to the US.
I was once a LR fan and owner. Reliability issues, unnecessary service visits, and terrible resale. Sorry but I’m out. Each mile you drive, it’s roughly a $1 per mile in loss of value. I want to like them again. But I just can’t wrap my head around the insane price points. Finally, I think Lexus and Toyota are gonna kill it next year with the new GX550 and New Prado based Land Cruiser. I can’t believe I said that, much less that I think I’m gonna look at both. Superior resale, reliability, and yes the performance will be excellent. JMO …
Fish eyes because he is dead those headlights slash driver tiers
How much
I've just been reading about how problematic recovering a Defender is, if it's in a truly offroad situation. Its owner's manual is very enlightening.
"The vehicle should not be towed on all four wheels and should not be recovered with the front or rear wheels suspended. Doing so can result in serious transmission damage. The method for recovery and/or transportation of the vehicle is on a transporter or trailer designed for that purpose."
"The recovery agent must activate the transmission park release before recovery commences. The procedure for activating the transmission park release is covered in a separate publication for service personnel."
If you don't, the following happens:
"If Neutral (N) is selected and the engine is then switched off, the transmission automatically selects Park (P) after 10 minutes has elapsed. If the transmission park release mechanism has not been activated and the vehicle is being towed, serious damage to the transmission will result."
"If the vehicle cannot be recovered via the correct method, the vehicle can be towed on all four wheels for a short distance."
" Do not tow the vehicle for more than 50 km (30 miles). Do not exceed 50 km/h (30 mph). Towing for a greater distance or at a higher speed may result in serious damage to the transmission."
So you can only go offroad to places that are within 50-ish km of access to a flatbed truck. ... but you can't even go that far unless you've learnt how to activate the transmission park release.
" Only tow the vehicle in a forward direction with all four wheels on the ground. Towing in a reverse direction, or with only two wheels on the ground, will cause serious damage to the transmission."
What if pulling it out backwards is the only access to where it's stuck?
" Do not tow the vehicle if the transmission cannot be set in Neutral (N)."
"Do not tow the vehicle if the rear electronic differential has failed in the locked position."
Crikey. With electrics that shut down the whole vehicle at the drop off a hat, how on earth does all THAT make it a good choice for serious offroading? Australia? Any continent except Europe? Hmm...
What is your point, there are very few automatics that can be towed with the driven wheels on the ground.
And i can give you one reason not too…. The INEOS Grenadier , Better Cheaper and still looks like a Defender unlike this pile of overpriced Garbage…
Buy it, and be bullied by every old school Defender owners. Will be called Nutella boy, mommy’s boy Is not being jealous take me as example have a Range Rover but don’t dismiss my old faithful Defender and if you try to follow one in extreme terrain expect to stay on the trail sooner or later. Last year one Nutella boy try to follow a few lads on a trail with that Nutella new defender, he capsized. As I saw one vehicle for one appropriately occasion.
Don't buy one, I have one that has a driveline vibration and Land Rover say it's operating within design limits. My ride on mower is smoother. Customer support is non existing and be warned.
Got one last year 2020 model and it’s really reliable for now over 12k miles and off road on some small trails
What do you expect when Indians are the owners of this brand
Given up on LR....
Now drive Toyota 4X4. ...
I didn't need the hassle...
Ask the Talaton !!???
Subaru has more Lemons than Land Rover. Look it up
Secondly, the people who talk sh-t can't afford one or are lying about owning one.
You forgot to mention another great reason is that if you enjoy going back to the dealer over and over for warranty service….
BECAUSE EVERYONE WITH ONE wants RID OF THE FAR KING THING.
Overpriced British junk.
What about the 5 REASONS why not to buy this Discovery ??? And the 5 reasons why Land Rover is BANKRUPT????
Most unreliable car brand ever makes a another one which will never see off roading and who actually does off reading will not evan touch it with a ten foot pole. Cause they want to come out of the bush without getting stranded.
Vehicle for wanna be machomen who doesn't have money for a range rover but needs validation that they want to be associated with a overpriced piece of crap.
I have the money for either and chose the defender. I don’t feel like a “machoman” at all.
Don’t buy one. Insurance has gone crazy. People are getting rid off them
Get a Toyota 4X4. ...
Come back...!!!!
I’ve had quite a few Toyotas. Awesome vehicles. Just keep the frames from rotting out.
As long as the frame doesn’t break.
The only disappointment is the limitation to 20 inch wheels in the nicer models. 20 inch wheels are only good for urban use and totally useless off road
this car is unreliable
Drive one. I’ve not had a problem in 10000 miles and if I do it got a warranty. And I got other cars to drive
Too bad ,Land Rover is not very reliable.
How many have you had?
Drive one you won’t care. I’ve never had a problem and if I did I got five other cars to drive so who cares.
Range Rover is the only dealership still charging premiums!!! Bmw ,Audi, Mercedes Are not Which makes no sense Bmw Audi Mercedes are all strong companies. Where as Land Rover is Almost Bankrupt. Something is going on here are they making one last push???? Or is the company that poorly managed????
This is a Discovery from the 1990's but 50K more...!!! NOT worth it...!!! 90K for a half way SUV...!!!! Nooooo....!!!!
I purchased a Land Rover Defender 130 First Edition in October of 2022. It is my fourth Range Rover/Land Rover Vehicle over the last 25 years, and it is the BEST, Most Reliable of them all! After over 8,000 miles of road and off-road driving it is superior to nearly all other SUVs in both comfort, amazing features and drive-ability! The off road capability is even better than the old defender by far, with power of nearly 400 horsepower and 406 feet of torque. The creature comforts are just tremendous in both the myriad of variety provided and usability! Dive it and you will buy it!!! 👍🏻👏🏻
😂😂 “after 8000 miles” 😂😂😂
After 14,500 miles of on road and off road driving it is still bulletproof and love it! Try it, then you decide- I did and do!