Let's Chat: "The KEY" to JFK's Assassination: Ruth Paine
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Join me for a little chat about a fascinating documentary!
Is Ruth Paine an innocent Quaker woman who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, or was she a government agent who played a strategic role in the JFK assassination?
The assassination of JFK holds an abiding place in the heart of Americans, and more than 60 years later, the questions linger. This documentary by Max Good focuses in on one personality- Mrs. Ruth Paine, wife of Michael Paine - and considers questions like:
Who is Ruth Paine?
What was her role in the lives of Lee Harvey and Marina Oswald?
What are her affiliations and connections?
What actions did she take that make people suspicious that there's more to the story?
Why do people think she may have been a government agent, sent to "babysit" the Oswalds during a critical season?, and
"Where is she now?" - a real-time look at this fascinating woman who was 90 at the time of this documentary
I anticipate that we will divide this 1 hour, 40 minute documentary into three chatty discussions. Please add your insights and questions in the comments!
Watch and/or purchase "The Assassination and Mrs. Paine" here: amzn.to/4dweK3n
Come back, to discuss the documentary and these questions together, for the following three episodes!
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Wow! Another source! Another angle! Please continue, Jess!
This is fascinating. This has reminded me of something I watched a number of years ago about Oswald’s last phone call from prison and the two men who stopped him from getting through to the man he was supposed to contact. The amount of intrigue and the number of people connected to exposing truth who mysteriously died underscores that it was not a one man and done case. Thanks, Jess. Looking forward to this discussion.
.....Oswald tried to call two numbers from the jail, but, the phone operators were told by " agents" NOT to connect the calls. One of the operators wrote down the numbers and kept the paper. The first call was to a retired Army sergeant named John Hurt in North Carolina, not far from a CIA training base, where Hurt may have been an instructor. The second number was incomplete...missing a couple of digits, but, known to be located in a wealthy section of North Dallas. Obviously, Oswald was reaching out for help from his CIA " cut out" handler, and, someone who may have financed and run the operation he was caught up in....he KNEW he was framed.... he actually SAID so !! : " I'm just a PATSY !!...I didn't shoot ANYONE !! " The true evidence of him PASSING the paraffin test and discovery of the TAMPERING OF EVIDENCE by Warren Commission lawyer David Belin regarding the " women on the stairs" witnesses PROVES Oswald was telling the TRUTH !!!
You read what I read, you're on the "right trail"!
Jess thank you for making historical events so interesting! Your viewpoints an added touch! Blessings and happy thoughts!😇🙏🤳🎭🎉⛲🌞🗺️
Thank YOU for your interest and cheery comments!! ❤️🫶🏻🤩👍🏻💕
Thank you for telling about the interview of Ruth Paine. I have read several books on the assignation of President Kennedy and there is always stories of Ruth Paine in them. It is hard to believe her meeting and taking in of Marina Oswald and her children is by chance. This is fascinating. I love these chats. Please keep them up.
Ruth Paine has been described as a handler by author Bill Simpich in his book The 12 who built the Oswald legend.
Her meeting wasn't by chance nor did she want to learn the Russian language. She already knew and very little mention ever about her time at a certain college in Pennsylvania. Too funny you folks are naive at a level never seen before.
Whenever Ruth opens her mouth you know there's an untruth coming your way
@@glennhall6615 or a half truth. What they call a limited hangout. But the thing about Paine is she said she befriended Marina to learn to speak Russian. Ruth Payne taught Russian privately and publicly. Her sister was a translator for the CIA her father was a CIA asset her husband had a top secret security Clarence and she spent some time in the months before the assassination with Allen Dulles . She was also later kicked out of a central American country for conducting intelligence work. If it looks like a duck and goes quack I don't have to be a vet to know it's a duck. She needs to be indicted now before she dies without knowing her.name was tarnished.
So interesting!!! I am obsessed with the JFK assassination.
Madeline Duncan Brown's (LBJ's mistress) interview and what she says about the gathering at Clint Murchinson Jr house on the eve of the assassination is one of the most important insights on what parties were involved. She recognized most of the attendees and it becomes immediately clear that these people would never be seen in public with each other. We should keep in mind when studying the JKF assassination that scores of people associated with this event, either being a witness or someone with crucial information, were killed in very odd circumstances. This continued for many years after 1963.
Her book was interesting. Carried on a 20 year affair with LBJ. Claims to have had his son.
Dad sister and husband was Cia ..she's obviously Cia
Payne's sister was CIA and they hung out with Dulles in Nantucket. The person who who has to set up the patsy has to be a master liar while having impeccable character background. The probabilities now favor a conspiracy.
Dulles was also Prescott Bush's family attorney.
I love history, and you’ve brought it to life! My husband and I just bought the documentary about Ruth Paine as we are riding out Helene. Thank you for the information! I have so many more questions. I’m putting on the “tin foil” hat, but why would Michael ( a Unitarian) and Ruth (a Quaker) from wealthy liberal NY families move to Bible Belt Texas in the 1960’s? Why did Ruth want to learn Russian when we were in a Cold War era with Russia? Ughh…so much to unpack!
Valid questions!
“Lee resented that people didn’t see in him his potential, how great he was.”
Gerald Posner
Just a reminder that Posner never met Oswald, nobody who knew Oswald told Posner this and Oswald never said it nor wrote it down.
Therefore Posner made it up. Making stuff up is dishonest and it is certainly not evidence.
If there was evidence the ‘lone nut’ supporters wouldn’t have to fantasise. Watch out for that type of fictional narrative.
Posner has cia ties through his Wall st. law firm
Jess.. JFK assassination theories are a favorite! Ruth is probably one of the few living players from that time. Thank you for your review.
❤️ yes it’s amazing! It was reported that she would appear last year for the 60 year anniversary but to my knowledge she did not. But she is still living, and to my knowledge still in good health and in her right mind.
What a delightful surprise Jess. Thank you. You are a woman after my own heart... curious and digging deeper. This was such fun. Please oh please continue. I will rent the movie tomorrow and excited to watch it. My understanding is that when Ruth Paine testified before the Warren Commission she talked about the party where she met the Oswalds and talked about her husband and Lee were talking in one room and she and Marina were in the kitchen speaking Russian meaning she didn't need any help with Russian because she already spoke it fluently. Thanks again Jess.
I’m really enjoying this informal format, it’s friendly and keeps serious topics interesting.
Great feedback. Thank you! Glad it’s both interesting and enjoyable!! 😍🥳
✨✨ You do know that Oswald was working with cia/ FBI . Oswald was recruited while in the Marines as were the Paine's recruited.
Too bad Mrs Paine can't open up about it if that's the case. It's been over 60 years. What would the consequences be?
I live north of Dallas and have toured the Ruth Paine house in Irving, Tx. It has been kept true to the 1960’s in decor and other furniture and appliances. The same beds and crib are still there as it was in November of 1963. Found it very interesting. A background story to all this that I read said Ruth Paine possibly allegedly was a little more “interested in Marina Oswald in a different way” Something that Marina was not comfortable with-she moved out shortly after the assassination and though Ruth tried to contact her many times after that, Marina wouldn’t respond.
Yes. That is also an interesting tangent. There are stories that some of what was taken from the home as evidence was that sort of p0rnogr@phy.
That is very interesting!!
@@Jess_Connell. I have read many times about “that sort of evidence” found by police in Ruth’s garage. Just the fact that Ruth admits that she helped get Lee the job at the School Book Depository is beyond suspicious. I think that Ruth was definitely involved.
@@Jaymi-b3t there is a further angle to that. Ruth and her husband didn't live together at the time of the assassination. They had separated in 1962 but only divorced in 1970. But they always maintained in close and apparently very cordial contact. And as a couple they owned several modest houses in the immediate area whilst being quite wealthy.
If Ruth was a lesbian and they spent very little time during their marriage living together (1957-70) it raises the possibility that theirs was something of a lavender or empty marriage. Although they did have 2 children. Neither of them ever married again.
Then, given that Marina spoke very little English; Ruth was literally in complete control of her life.
Her husband, Michael Paine is another anomaly. A person with very high security clearance openly flirting with extreme left wing views. Whilst having right wing connections. They both smell like intelligence operatives. As indeed does LHO himself.
Pretty sure there was one meeting between them months after the assassination. Paine said that other than discussing their children it was pretty awkward. They never met up after that.
Jess -What a pleasant surprise. I love the talks on these interesting topics. I feel like I am just chatting with a friend. I enjoy your take on what you are discussing. Sometimes just a different perspective makes one thing better. I have seen the Ruth Paine Documentary before but now I want to watch it again. There are some very interesting discussions on American Untold Stories channel.
Mark interviewed Max about the films making and again on how the film was received.
Try to catch them.
I hope you will keep your channel just the way it is "Real"
Thank you
An interesting theoretical take on the JFK assassination is the 1973 movie "Executive Action" starring Robert Ryan/Burt Lancaster and Will Geer. It is a conspiracyy thriller using real footage of the assassination and immediate aftermath. but involving actors as industrial,military and intelligence conspirators.. The most interesting part of the movie for me shows how seemlessly Oswald moves from the U.S. military to Russia and then back to the U.S. to do street protests.as if somebody is opening doors for him not open for others.The screenplay was by Dalton Trumbo,blacklisted in the 1950s for his Communist affiliation. "Executive Action"was very hard to find for decades but now it is on RUclips. I think you can make this same movie today about an industrial/military/ntelligence plot to do in presidential candidate Trump.
I watched that movie when it came out. I was surprised that the production company had managed to get it made.
Wonderful movie.
i DID THE SAME FOR YEARS TOLD PEOPLE ABOUT IT, BUT IT COUND NOT BE FOUND.
I was all in for your comment until the last sentence. In my view Trump REPRESENTS the military industrial complex.
@@silverstuff182 I agree, he is deep state. His uncle proves it.
Thank you for these interesting insights. I was aged fifteen when President Kennedy was assassinated and lived through these events in real time. I remember watching some of the interviews with Ruth Paine at the time and feeling sorry for someone innocently caught up in the events. This chat episode sheds a new light on these events. I look forward to your next deep dive on the subject.
November 22,1963
Reporter: "Did you shoot the president?"
Oswald: "I didn't shoot anybody."
And yet, the Paines continually would have us believe he was in it to gain notoriety, because he was such a small man and wanted to do something important. Strange that he would outright deny it, if that was his motive and this was his big moment to present himself to the world.
@@Jess_Connellhis brother pretty much said the same thing. In his brother's opinion Lee was sick.
I would love more on this subject! Yes, please! I'm a Kennedy junkie, so you're speaking my language. Thank you
I don’t think Oswald shot JFK.
The evidence clearly shows he did.
@@9Ballr What evidence? It’s very telling that those who support the official narrative merely make these vacuous statements rather than present any evidence.
If the evidence clearly shows it then why have you not presented it? Nor anyone else?
@@InternationalScot The evidence as a whole overwhelmingly implicates Oswald. Where do you want to start? How about that all of the bullets and fragments found were matched to his rifle, which was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD, where many witnesses said the shots came from, and where the bag that Wesley Frazier saw Oswald with was found.
😂@9Ballr no it does not.
RFK Jr. knows exactly who it was.
Fascinating! Great choice, Jess. I was in 6th grade at the time of the assassination. Remember it like yesterday.
I was in Kindergarten. I came home at noon to my Grandmother's house. She met the carpool saying "THEY'VE killed President Kennedy." Who knows why a middle-aged stay-at-home woman, moment's after the event, decided to use 'they' - but she did.
You need to read the book, Lee and Me by Judith Baker. You would find this fascinating! And another book called Dr Mary’s Monkey. Both book tie into the murder of JFK.
Im glad you're doing this. I don't own a television, by choice, so you're keeping me up to speed ❤
I can't help but believe LBJ was behind the assassination.
There are plenty who would agree with you. Apparently that was Bobby Kennedy's first line of inquiry -- to see if Hoover and LBJ were in on it.
I've always believed LBJ was involved. He accepted the VP position because he said he'd researched how many presidents died in office. He had always been obsessed about being president. He also rushed getting the Warren Commission formed and proving there was no conspiracy. RFK Jr is convinced the CIA did it. I think others were also involved in it, like LBJ.
LBJ was in charge of clean up. He masterfully staffed the Warren Commission with people who hated JFK, and made sure the only evidence was Hoover-approved. The Commission had a predetermined outcome. A lone gunman shoots a lone gunman who shoots POTUS and no one knew each other.
He was that ruthless
@@chaswr When a crime is unsolved, the first question has to be, Who has the most to Gain?
Thanks for this excellent, clear episode. Marina, when she was able to get distance, said she was warned by law enforcement, to stay away from Ruth Paine because she was CIA. DA Jim Garrison said the Paine's tax records were unattainable due to National Security. JFK and the Unspeakable by James Douglas is tremendous. The Parkland Dr's are a key.
Jess, we must be on the same wave length. Love this topic. You hit on many odd facts, behaviors of Ruth ! Don’t stop . Loving it
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Jess, in the JFK movie by Oliver Stone starring Kevin Costner, he is contacted by character who refers to himself as MR. X (played by Donald Sutherland). Well into the film, they meet for a brief scene during which MR X runs down an explanation as to how/ why the assassination took place. MR X is based on a real person named L. Fletcher Prouty. He is/was an insider and military man going back decades, ultimately working in the pentagon as JFK was President.
He speaks at length in interviews on RUclips. It takes more listening time than you may have
…but boy, it adds up.
Yes, I have researched the assassination for decades, and I completely agree that it all “adds up”.
I've always thought that Oswald did not act alone. I've come to the conclusion that he very likely never shot that rifle that day. His mistress in New Orleans said he was going to Dallas to try to stop the assassination and knew he would probably die trying. It's always been a mystery how he could defect to Russia and be allowed back in the U.S. with no problems at all.
Ruth claimed that she was learning Russian and hoped Marina could help her with that. Years later it’s discovered that Ruth taught Russian at a college in the late 50s.
Kennedy made powerful enemies. Oswald was unlikely the trigger man.
@@jimmillhouse5912 Oswald was the only triggerman. Read Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History and Gerald Posner's Case Closed.
The evidence overwhelmingly implicates Oswald.
@bobtaylor170 that's what the politicians say. Of course there is no known science available that will account for the points of entry & exit & reentry & re-exit between the president & Gov. Connally with the # of bullets Oswald fired.
@@9Ballr it certainly does. What is most important about Oswald is that he was desperate to make a big impact on the world. He thought he would achieve it in 1959, when he defected to Russia. It didn't work. He thought that by k*ll*ng Edwin Walker ( with the same rifle used eight months later to k*ll JFK ) he would achieve it, but his shot barely missed. It's obvious that when he spent five days at the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City, in September, 1963, he was hoping they would allow him to defect to Havana. They wouldn't. But with the President of the United States passing in front of his place of employment? He couldn't let that go. If Marina had told him the evening before that she would go back to him, he wouldn't have k*ll*d JFK. ( She told The Warren Commission that she was playing hard to get, and the next time he asked, she was going to agree. )
Oswald, the supposed deluxe government op, was so ambivalent about k*ll*ng JFK that on Wednesday, November 20, he did his laundry. Hardly what you'd expect of a man about to try to pull off the most consequential ass*s*n*ti*n in American history.
There is a photo of then CIA man George Bush, later Pres Bush. standing on the top steps of the school book depository building with his hand in his pocket with closed knuckles as he became famous for. The picture was taken from his left side but all indications are that was Bush. Pres Bush later claimed that he didn't remember where he was when he heard the news of the assassination. THAT IS NOT CREDIBLE!! WHAT WAS CIA MAN BUSH DOING THERE???
Jess, this is fascinating. I learned so much. I have been studying/looking into this subject for decades and I learned new things.
Please continue to read this to us.
Your format is perfect ❤
I find it odd that the us government paid his way back to the US after his supposed defection.
Personally I love the sound of happy, busy kids! Signs of a vibrant loving household! My kids are grown- it’s one thing I miss!
From the time he went to Japan until the day he was shot by Ruby..... did LHO have a single friend/hangout buddy that wasn't....
(1) CIA related
(2) US national security related (similar to above but broader) as it includes Cuban exiles/FBI/other branches of the security services
(3) KGB related (his wife and most of his Russian connections)
(4) Mob related (not only Ruby...his own family's New Orleans mob connections)
List them out.... and pretty much everybody in his life from 1960 onwards falls under one of the above 4 categories.....
and yet this is the Warren Commission's idea of a lone gunman.
Hint : normal people don't hangout exclusively with people from the above four groups.... even during the Cold War
Bingo
Thank you Jess. I so enjoy your videos and like that you are working from your home environment instead of a studio. So much friendlier. Glad to see more videos from you. Bye for now Pam
JESS you should TRY to interview her!!
I was surprised she didn’t make it (as far as I know) to the 60th anniversary/memorial last year and I wonder if she is slowing down. AFAIK she had made it to all of the decade markers. She was getting older even at the time the documentary was made.
I would be absolutely fascinated to talk with her but now that I’ve done this review I doubt she’d be willing to speak with me.
@@Jess_Connell I would even make a video for RUclips openly inviting her, OR anyone who knows her to send you her contact info/email... It is definitely worth it!!
@@Jess_ConnellI think she did an interview with the Sixth Floor Museum around that time or a little before.
I'm still hoping she can get the author of "Ask Not" Maureen Callahan on.
Jess, Love your investigative Spirit. ❤
This is fascinating!
Ruth gave testimony to the Warren Commission on a Friday afternoon wherein she said she had no idea that there was a rifle in her garage.
The hearing was interrupted by the weekend. Returning on the Monday when asked about the FBI searching her garage she expressed shock on noticing that the rifle was missing.
The rifle she previously claimed not to know existed…
I would ABSOLUTELY love love and love to continue on this topic.
I know this is weird, but every now and then, the whole JFK mystery pops into my head and I think “I wonder if…?”; or “I wonder if THIS…?
Like it’s the biggest problem in my life haha (not haha…you know)
To make a long story even longer-YES!
I’m hopping on that documentary today.
Thanks, Jess!
For a ‘normal’ private citizen Mrs Paine has a strange habit of parroting verbatim the official narrative.
I have always found Ruth Paine as suspect. I found it hard to believe that someone takes a pregnant woman and her child into her home and actually paid her a stipend just to learn better Russian. She already knew Russian, and actually taught it. Also did you know her husband and his stepfather worked for Bell Helicopter and actually had a patent on one of the parts. So for each helicopter built and sent to Viet Nam they received a commission.
Also, the part where she supposedly tells the FBI there is no gun is totally fake. She moved Marina and her belongings back from New Orleans. She had to unload the car? I don’t think Lee brought the rifle on a bus. Also she made blocks and painted them for children. She had to step over the rifle in the blanket to get to her materials.
Heading over to Amazon to watch this! So interesting, thanks for informing us of this! Nothing about the Oswald lone gunman story really ever made sense to me.
This is great!
I really love this era and I would love more information. I'm going to see if I can watch it with you, looking forward to the chats.
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For some reason I couldn’t edit my comment to add that I have the movie “13 Days” taped & saved.
It starred Kevin Costner, my celebrity crush back then. It’s about the Bay of Pigs drama.
The CIA is a pretty amoral organisation.
You’d be too young to remember Nicaragua and Oliver North I expect.
I remember…
Oliver Stones JFK was good but much more had been released since.
@@noway1593 I’m sure I saw it because I was a big fan of Oliver Stone movies but don’t remember it. Was it long ago? I used to go to the movies at least once a week but haven’t been able for about 15 years now.
Regarding Ruth's retelling of the story: Most police interrogators will tell you that they know someone is telling the truth if their story never changes. However, the word-for-word retelling is rather strange.
The reason why Ruth is still alive and well today is because she keeps her mouth shut . She knows everything .
Oh my I am in the middle of watching that movie on Ruth Pain. Very suspicious that she was a CIA asset. And I feel that there is something weird about her husband too. They were separated in 1963 after only 5 years of marriage. That was very unusual back then.
Indeed. And keep watching- they got back together for another 7 years!
I am definitely interested in hearing more about this woman.
I'm interested! I love the way you can capture and understand the climate and culture of the times making history come to life! You're very special and we are very blessed 🤗 thank you!
Encouraging, thank you! This is such an engaging topic- so glad you enjoy it too. ❤
I bought it too like a year ago …it is FASCINATING !!!!
The conspiracy goes very deep. The same CIA operative that went to Jack Ruby's cell was also Charles Manson's handler.
Indeed. 👍🏻
Jolly West, dirty dirty dirty...
I watched a lady(sorry can’t remember her name)..She states that she was Oswald’s girlfriend while he was married..She really seems sincere about Oswald and puts that Oswald was trying to protect JFK..But who knows but the people that knew…
Great video on this subject..Thank you and all the best from the U.K🇬🇧🇺🇸👍
Believe her name was Judith Baker. Not sure about her credibility.
Brilliant !
How interesting. I had no idea of this aspect other than the Oswalds lived with them. Would love more on this aspect. ❤
And all of oswalds evidence came out of her garage!!!
Of course it did. The assassin’s belongings were all stored there.
Also in the summer before the assassination Ruth Payne and her children stayed on the summer vacation island with Michael Paynes parents. Michaels mother's best friend was Allen Dulles mistress and they also stayed on the island in the same house that summer
Indeed. That’s yet another wild connection.
That same summer Ruth drove Marina along with their kids to New Orleans where they stayed with Lee at his apartment. She said it was so roach infested that she had to spray the place.
A weird thing happened today when I tried to rent the movie on Hulu. I tend to believe something like it is merely a coincidence.
But, as our First Amendment rights are being violated by Big Tech (and others), it wouldn’t surprise me to find that someone out there doesn’t want the information contained in the movie to be seen.
You may have deduced by now that I rented the film but was unable to play it. I tried for a good 15 minutes to remedy the problem to no avail. So, I shot a message to Apple to look into it.
Hmm!! I hope it resolves quickly for you!!
Jess, love the room in your house you use for this. Your door and trees are charming! I love the train too. Thanks for Ruth Paine…it’s interesting ! Hmmmm
Odd message !!!! It's like the CIA is looking through your window😮
Glad you enjoy it. I worked on painting the room a favorite color this summer, and had so much fun hanging the antique maps which were a gift from a friend.
It’s even more fun to use the vantage point for these! ❤ so I’m glad you enjoy it too.
The amazing thing to me is that Mrs. Payne (even in her dotage) is such a self-publicist. You would think if you had the misfortune to be randomly connected to the greatest mystery of the Twentieth Century, you would have got fed up with all the attention by now. It would be even worse if most people suspected that you were an accomplice in some way. Why put yourself through it? Decidedly odd. I read somewhere that he home at the time of the assassination has been turned into a museum. Apparently, the new owners have fitted it out as it would have looked in 1963. I don't know if that is true or not? Are there many places connected to the assassination around the Dallas area that have been adapted for tourists in this way? I would be fascinated to know. All the very best to you.
You are correct about the Paine house. Paine bought two more similar ranch style houses in the neighborhood. In Oliver Stone’s JFK, Ruth is the only real life character whose name was changed. (Janet Williams) I wish they had kept the name as Paine, allow her to sue & then get her under oath. The Paines were both involved in framing Oswald. Consider, Oswald had spoken positively of JFK and had no motive to assassinate Kennedy.
She was
Yes the house has been restored to its 1963 appearance.
No you are completely right!’
Ruth had a big part in setting Lee up to be the "Patsy"
You and your channel are my favorite on RUclips!❤
🥰 thank you!!
I’m getting the idea you have looked into this
Good discussion on Ruth Paine but the absolute key linking her is to Allen Dulles. Her husband Michael’s mother was also called Ruth Paine. Her best friend was Mary Bancroft, former secretary and mistress to… Allen Dulles in Switzerland during WW2. So Dulles, fired by JFK and a key Warren Commissioner, was one step removed from Oswald.
Yes, we haven’t quite gotten there yet but yes.
It’s great to hear you talk openly on it, it’s so intriguing isn’t it.
The House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) concluded that the security for JFK was “uniquely insecure” on the day of his murder. Motorcycle policemen were removed along the side of the limo to the rear on the morning and agents were removed off the back of the limo at Love Field, to the disgust of one agent. Many secret service agents were out drinking until the early hours of the morning of the assassination, some until 5 am. And the parade route was changed at the last minutes to take the two turns from Main Street onto Houston Street then Houston on to Elm. Slowing the car down to 11 mph where JFK was shot. Who arranged the parade route and presidential security? The Secret Service with the Dallas police. Who was involved with the Dallas police? The mayor was Earle Cabell, brother of General Charles Cabell, the number 2 man under Dulles’s in the CIA. Kennedy fired them both after the Bay of Pigs. Cabell called JFK begging him to provide air cover for the exiles invading force but Kennedy refused and fired them both.
So where Dulles was one step removed from Oswald through Ruth Paine, His former deputy General Charles Cabell was one step removed from presidential security for the president in Dallas through his brother, the mayor. The CIA admitted Earle was a CIA asset up to 1962.
And as you say, George H W Bush was linked with de Morenschilt and many others.
@@PhilHardy-vy6pn such good input, thank you!
I’ve always wondered why Ruth and Michael Paine lived in such a modest house in a down market area of Dallas? Michael being from such a wealthy family and was incidentally related to Democrat John Kerry. Michael’s job was corporate and he would have been earning a good salary. Surely they could afford a larger house in a better area.
they owned several modest houses in that neighbourhood which makes it trebly suspicious......... owning a modest house would be in keeping with progressive intellectual values..... owning several is more than a little odd. And why all in the same area?????
@@fiachramaccana280 thanks for the information very interesting.
I've never heard of this docu, but don't have Prime or any big streaming apps, so I will enjoy this. I didn't know you were near Dallas. That brings me to a non-Kennedy question. Since you like history, what if any interest do you have in Bonnie and Clyde? Have you read Go Down Together by Jeff Guinn? He's a Ft Worth resident I believe. This book is fabulous and I think you'd love it even if you don't choose to share it.
LHO’s personality, early loss of parents is the EXACT, PERFECT PERSONALITY a “controller” looks for. Psych 102
Yep. 👍🏻 there was apparently a program, headquartered in the very place where he came of age… 🤔🤨
I’m interested in Marina, the few interviews I’ve seen of her are cryptic imo.
Ruth was in love with Marina lesbian porn movies was also found in her magic garage
Yes, I hope you continue with this. I’ve done reading on this, but this is an extremely interesting view. Please continue!
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If the Paines were “handlers” for both Oswalds, wouldn’t they have had Lee Oswald stay with them as well? Whether Oswald was a real or fake defector, when he returned to the US, Marina was an unknown quantity. I think Ruth was far more interested in Marina certainly to verify whether or not she was a Soviet intelligence asset and possibly there might have been a romantic interest as well. Marina seemed to be interested in separating Marina from Lee.
I don’t think the relationship between Dulles and the Kennedys is as described in “The Devil’s Chessboard”. While JFK was a senator, Dulles was giving him advanced copies of James Bond novels. Shortly after the assassination, RFK invites Dulles to participate in the JFK Library Oral History. There is a recording of a phone call between Dulles, RFK and LBJ where Dulles is asked if he could go to Mississippi to check on the progress in the search for missing civil rights workers. There is no hint of a strained relationship between RFK and Dulles. RFK asks Dulles to review a speech for him in 1965. Ethel Kennedy invites Dulles to RFK’s funeral in 1968. Dulles was definitely put on the Warren Commission to keep the Castro assassination plots from being revealed to protect the CIA and very likely to protect JFK’s reputation. And it appears the Kennedys returned the favor.
Oswald could not have fired the “Single Bullet Theory” shot and he might not have fired any shots at all. And Ruth knows more than she is telling.
Thank you Jess. This is fascinating.
Ruth was in someway in love with marina, in some bizarre way.
enjoy your videos so much!❤
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Ruth's husband looked a lot like LEE Harvey Oswald.
I recall speculation about if HE was the one who went down and impersonated LHO in Mexico City “trying to get in” to the Russian/cuban embassies. It’s always been strange to me that within 24 hours of JFK’s death LBJ and Hoover were talking about LHO in Mexico City and how whoever that was, it wasn’t the actual LHO. 🤔🤨😲
That’s a whole lot of odd dots to have been connected within 24 hours if LHO was an unknown, lone nut, unrelated oddball who just did something terrible out of the blue.
Ruth taught a Summer Russian class in 1963. Only 1 student enrolled. She had been studying the Russian language since 1957. If Ruth isn't CIA I'll eat my hat !😂 This is fascinating and it's incredible that people believe her stories.
ONE student? Wow!
😂 “I’ll eat my hat!” I feel the same.
Eat your hat and choke on it. Ruth is not CIA.
Please investigate whether there might be evidence of a shart.
Very interesting!
This is very interesting. I don't know very much about the JFK assassination and never heard of Ruth Paine before, so for me, this is new.
I am interested in anything related to the JFK assassination so this topic and information is right down my alley. I was eleven years old when Kennedy was killed. Any information l can read or hear about feeds my addiction.
Jess I adore this content! ❤ thank you so much for doing this and will watch this doc this evening x
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Love their channel! He’s quite a storyteller!
This is hilarious! Thank you!
Love this! Great topic; good discussion, when one tells the broad outlines of the whole JFK assignation and the ensuing death of Oswald and then jack ruby it seems like a bad movie plot. I want more of this; it’s great.
PLEASE read the book “JFK and the Unspeakable” and make a video on it 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I may!
Considering which ones to do moving forward. It may very well be a continual Kennedy segment on this channel.
This is a new source to me. Thank you for sharing it! I appreciate how you dig deeply into topics as I do the same.
In all my Kennedy reading, I've not come across Mrs. Paine yet. If I come up with an interesting source, I'll share.
Oh I’m glad. It’s fun to have fresh ideas to ponder
@Jess_Connell I started down the Kennedy reading after a book on Jackie. The twists and turns my reading has taken are crazy. I've got books on the mob and CIA I'm going through now.
Jess:
Really looking forward to this one, so much so that I, too, purchased the documentary and am only beginning it as I write this comment. You mention you find suspicious Ruth Paine’s answers to interviewers’ questions over the years because they’re stated EXACTLY the same. I immediately recalled a movie, The Song of Bernadette, which is about the apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Lourdes, France in the 1850s. I’ve never researched the apparitions or read the actual testimony of Bernadette Soubirous (the visionary), but in the movie, Bernadette is questioned repeatedly by all sorts of officials about what happened the day of the first apparition. She states verbatim the same answers over and over and the viewer sees this is as a natural result of the constant, repeated questioning she endured during the ordeal of the investigations. We’re told Bernadette was average in intelligence, sickly, not a great student. Ruth Paine is definitely intelligent. Seems likely to me that Ruth Paine’s answers certainly could be delivered verbatim also due to sheer repetition. Just a thought.
I think the difference is
(1) Intelligence level. Ruth is highly intelligent. Bernadette was virtually illiterate. Intelligent well read people would be expected to develop their answers over the years. And not stick to the same word for word script.
(2) Context. Bernadette's repeated questioning by various persons was involuntary. And likely rather unpleasant for her as the questioners in good faith were trying to find holes in her story. Her repetitive answers were most likely defensive.
In contrast Ruth Paine loved talking to anybody on the topic. People like that will open up and add/subtract small details over the years. She hasn't. If she hated talking to the media she would have shut up after 1963.
All good points.
Wow! That's very interesting. I didn't know this lady yet. My most reliable female source so far is Judyth Vary Baker, LHO's mistress at the time. And Madeleine Duncon Brown told us important things from the eve of the assassination.
Dorothea Kilgallen could be added to the tragic list in "Ask not".
By the way, Jacky Kennedy called de Mohrenschildt uncle...
In German-speaking countries, all these disclosures about the Kennedys are pretty much unknown. So I'm happy to have discovered yout channel.
Madeline Duncan Brown's interview and what she says about the gathering at Clint Murchinson Jr's house on the eve of the assassination is bombshell information. A serious researcher on this topic will have taken the time to study and find out who exactly all these people she mentions are, and what factions they represent.
So interesting! More please! 😊
This is fascinating to me. Definitely interested!
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Very interesting. I had never heard any of this info before. Please keep it coming. You are very bright, and I think perhaps a person who could have been a cutting edge investigative reporter!!
❤ glad you’re enjoying it. It’s a fascinating part of this larger story.
This is interesting.
So interesting
Lee oswald was stationed at Atsugi air force base.
George demorincshield wrote a letter to GWB asking him for help just before the house select committee hesrings
George de Mohrenschildt was family friends w/ Jackie’s family she used to call him uncle George
Yes. Another wild connection. Strange. Strange. Strange.
Very interested. Thank you.