And if you think about it, If Future Bulma did get pregnant, dies after Trunks gets killed, that’s even more darker and makes Gohan snap even more… Darkest timeline yet in the series… 😅
@TheUltimateRare yamcha had bad luck prior to thwt and while he was being loya *she* was not. and tbf she married the short maniac so if anything he dodged a bullet
@@TheUltimateRare Yamcha cheating on Bulma is something stated by Bulma and Toriyama. Given the former who has been hitting on any man she saw even while dating Yamcha and the latter being a guy who doesn't even know his own characters, yea I ain't taking any stock in that statement.
Youre defined by the idealized self in the moment. The idealized self for bulma at that time was silly 😜, and yamchas was also silly 😂. They both paid the price of their actions. Its non sensical to use the past as a metric for present and future, especially the suffering and non suffering.
Again, kudos to the editor for including Turles taking yet another bite of a fruit. Didn't crush it this time, but keep adding them, it's so funny that the fruit is EVERYTHING that Turles has.
Yeah... I find it weird how they never actually say that in Xenoverse 1 or 2. But then again, Xenoverse never shows Xeno Trunks or Supreme Kai of Time at their full power either. Like, Chronoa just uses her kid form at all times and Trunks hasn't unlocked Super Saiyan God yet.
Heroes actually made xeno kid buu absorb xeno jenemba. (why xeno? Because they have dark dragon balls on their chest) and it’s shown in one of the animation opening for the games back in 2017 and actually in the manga.
@@BensyBens Don't forget he also absorbed Xeno Dabura (who looks just like regular Dabura in base but in Demon God form has the weirdest drip ever) before that
Fun fact, the Tapion in the Supreme Kai of Time Arc is explicitly stated to be the same one from the Movie where he debuted - it's not an alternative counterpart like the others. It's why he doesn't have his sword.
For those unaware, the dark dragon balls are different because they were made by a Dende who was being controlled by demons. So they have an *eeeeevil* influence to them.
@@MarbleVirus also the shadow dragons have alternate forms due to the dark dragon balls. Although it doesn’t make them look any better, some of them look worse than they did in GT.
Fun fact about Yamcha and Vidros (her name from the manga), Vidros asks Xeno Pan what Yamcha's name is, and Pan, seeing she's being wooed, tells her that his name is Darling xD Also, in that same moment in the manga, Xeno Pan, who is just basically GT Pan in a new outfit, has a massive crush on Hit, calling him Hit-sama with hearts in her eyes So 12-ish year old Pan's type is 1000+ year old purple aliens with literal penis heads who once killed her grandfather. That's certainly a choice
Xeno Pan is darkly funny to me. Because yah, she's implied to be just GT Pan, but at the same time, she's implied to be the only survivor of her timeline being destroyed. This means that not only does GT literally not exist anymore, the only thing from it that's still around is Pan of all people, because Xeno Goku and Vegeta are made by the Supreme Kai of Time asking Trunks who the strongest people are.
Grand Priest: "Where did you get that Zeno?" Goku: "The Zeno Button...." Grand Priest: "But....i didn't make a Zeno Button....." Goku: "Then where did i get this Zeno......I'ma keep 'em!"
So just watched the new Daima episode last night and well it made me realize we never knew the Kaio-shin’s real name we have only called him Shin which would be the equivalent of calling the president prez.
@specialnewb9821 the whole thing they did with Vidro was so dumb. Just have her leave because time placement bullshit. Not "she's a thousand, but you need to wait a thousand more".
Idk she's kinda a nothing character from start to finish. Character design alone tells me they didn't give her much thought I think people just really want more women fighters and not figure incorporating misogyny into every single one of them stunts them as characters
@@GODOFAWSOMENESS1 more like a pun on time. Chronoa is a reference to Chronos, more than likely. Which is the Greek God of time. It's also a Greek word meaning "time" or "an exact time"
I'll surprised if each individual Zeno in every timeline that Aeos erased are floating aimlessly in the void like Future Zeno temporarily was in Super, imagine? 😂
Could be argued Zeno exists in his own pocket space, unaffected by the timeline deletions. Or he simply survives it. Like the Zeno who erased F.Trunks universe. He was left just floating there in no space
This whole series just reminds me of Yu-Gi-Oh: Capsule Monsters. A thinly veiled plot with some recognizable monsters and fanfiction level power ups. It was originally a spin off series that was supposed to be the launching pad of a new game alongside their trading card game. But it didn’t work out so it got retroactively fitted into Yu-Gi-Ohs final season as another filler arc.
These days Yu-gi-oh just experiments with its own format like Speed Duels and Rush duels via the mobile game. From what I hear Yu-gi-oh Go Rush is pretty good.
Thing about Yu-Gi-Oh filler is that it still all fits into the main plot and most of it is just as good. Capsule Monsters arc was the weakest of the fillers though, until the end where I think it outshone every filler before it.
Yu-Gi-Oh: Capsule Monsters only exists within the dub, 4Kids commissioned the animation studio to make a new series with how popular Yu-Gi-Oh was so we got Capsule Monsters, Debuted as a mini movie like thing and then separated into episodes later on, Then 4Kids jammed it into season 5 and acted like it was always part of it. Not the first time 4Kids commissioned something, They did it for the first Yu-Gi-Oh movie too, Japan was already on GX but 4Kids wanted to milk the OG series more so asked for a movie, the Japanese version of it came out after the dub, Early trailers for the sub version use the dub footage showing English cards lol
The way that Zeno hakai's Trunks' entire universe and then is just floating in a void led me to believe that it was impossible to kill Zeno? In fact I figured the Grand Priest and Guards were still around too, they they just let Goku take their Zeno. So maybe the Supreme Kai of Time deletes the timeline, leaving that Zeno Grand Priest and the Guards in a void? So Hearts was just completely mistaken that he ever had a chance against Zeno (which would track)? Idk we've probably thought more about this than the writers did 😂
For context on shin's power it's implied he isn't as powerful due to all the other surpreme kai's being Merced by Buu, thus he was never trained properly.
9:22 I think Zeno is still technically stronger. My impression is that Ios or Chronoa can only manipulate timelines. I'm sure that if he wanted, Zeno could destroy individual timelines selectively (we kind of already see that in Super, I think?), but since he can also destroy an entire universe and thus all timelines for that universe, he's still stronger. The only thing I'd say is different is that the timelines aren't exclusive to each universe like Kaiser described it, if I understood him correctly. As I recall from Super, at the start of the Zamasu arc, Goku joins Beerus and Whis on a trip to universe 10 to make sure they have all their time rings accounted for, which they do. To me, that implies that the Future Trunks timeline intersects with universes 7 and 10, probably all universes. So it seems like DBBS takes the idea of "the fabric of space-time" literally, in a sense? Parallel universes interwoven with parallel timelines, with all of the former perpendicular to the latter. That's how I'm picturing it, at least.
Mechikabura had the Dark Dragon Balls made after kidnapping a Dende and the shenron statue to make a Dark Shenron with demon makeup.... also the Dark Factor is basically Mechikabura himself thats getting absorbed into Demigra and Mechikabura was a candidate to be the Surpreme Kai of Time so he already had god powers as Dark King
How many Xeno Bardock we got? We got a masked one in Dragon Ball Online, Xenoverse 2 & The God Missions in the video games and manga. Then a Time Patroller in the first Super Dragon Ball Heroes Missions. And now this?
Here's a thought for an evil Piccolo: What if he just, out of desperation to get stronger in a "dark timeline", went to Namek and just started forcefully fusing with all the Namekians there? Then, after he fused, the personalities didn't go away and he constantly hears their voices, with all of them trying to vie for control of Piccolo's body.
Going to dark timelines and getting heroes who broke is basically the plot of Dark Nights: Metal from DC comics. Villain collects a bunch of Batmans from broken timelines.
the "plot" "advances" fast enough and theres so much bouncing around between characters, fights and different schemes that its hard to get bogged down by all the BS going on. Its just raw, unfettered, fanfiction and God-level fights
And on today's episode of The Manga is Better - "Surprisingly, a tournament is better paced when layed over ten 30-40 page chapters instead of five 9 minutes long episodes": - A lot more of the conestants actually got dialogue and interactions (sepecially Hearts' team + Raditz), that the anime just didn't have the time to show. - Exclusively in the manga, the "Catch the Time Fairy" rule was actually a secret alternate win condition told only to Team Majin, Team Slug and Team Ginyu (not the official names), who team up to search for it. Yamcha hears that but still runs into the fairy by complete accident, while Hearts learns of the secret rule by reading their minds. The purpose of it all is to see whether luck, strength or strategy will prevail. - Tapion and Xeno Trunks actually get to talk for a bit and it's honestly quite wholesome. (Also slight tangent but the worst part about Xeno Trunks cutting his hair is that it basically guaranteed he'll never go up to Blue, because then he'd just look like regular Future Trunks from Super.) - Fun fact: Tapion's team consists of him and six other members of his race - two of which we get a quick glimpse of in a single panel, with one looking suspiciously like the Universe 12 Supreme Kai. Strangely, Minotia (Tapion's brother) doesn't seem to have been a part of the team. - Xeno Bardock actually first appeared in the first few arcs of Heroes that the anime didn't adapt and the manga cut down. His backstory is basically an abridged version of his Xenoverse 2 story except he fought Xeno King Vegeta and Xeno Broly instead of Mira (Towa Absorbed). A flashback in this arc shows that Aeos recruited him explaining that some timelines must be erased to maintain the "True History" (Loki season 1 anyone?), but Bardock asks her to give the timelines a chance to prove themselves, hence the tournament. - In the manga, the fight against Vidro (the glass tribe Warrior in Black) consists of Yamcha (serving basically the same purpose), Hit (who gets wrecked by Vidro for a solid minute), Xeno Pan (who for some reason develops a crush on Hit, which is basically the only thing Heroes ever gave her), Xeno Gohan (who is baffled by Pan's proclamtions of love for Hit), Hearts (who makes some great faces and inquires about the Glass Tribe since he's still looking for Lagss), and Meta Cooler (who's just there to be a prick and Hearts has to keep him under check). It has some of the best interactions in the arc. - Vidro's backstory is revealed sooner in the manga - her planet and tribe were destroyed by Chilled, but Vidro was blown away and managed to survive. Lagss is supposedly also a survivor of the massacre, even though she had the potential for a cooler origin based on what happens in the second half of the arc. - Believe it or not, it took TWO YEARS for us to get the backstory for "evil" Piccolo (in a GUIDEBOOK), and they actually went with a really dumb one: "after he fused with Nail Goku was tooo late to save everyone from Frieza, leaving Piccolo the only survivor of Namek." Sure, let's just ignore Earth's Dragon Balls still working meaning his timeline's FAR from doomed; also, him never merging with Kami means his potential is REALLY limited, even with the Dark Dragon Balls boost. - For some reason, the Time Power Unleashed forms of Chronoa (current SKoT's actual name) and Aeos were made *_EXTRA BOOBALICIOUS_* in the manga. And I guess there's also Aeos telling Chronoa that she wants her job back because she thinks Chronoa's been terrible at it, even saying that maybe Mechikabura (who was Aeos' apprentice alongside Chronoa) would've done a better job which was a low blow - but it's hard to focus on that when they just gave them GINORMOUS BADONKERS. - Mechikabura's ghost is actually a manifestation of his Dark Factor that was left after Fu's defeat; his old look is actually what he looked like before wishing on Dark Shenron (not to be confused with Black Smoke Shenron) to regain his youth and power. Next time: "This bad boy can fit SO MANY CAMEOS in it!"
20:18 To make it clear how strong Zamasu is, he fought and kept up with a Super Saiyan 2 Goku, who at the time had retained the raw power of Super Saiyan God in his base and continued to train, throughout both the Res 'F' and Universe 6 Tournament Arcs, to get dozens, if not hundreds, of times stronger. Goku says it himself: Shin wouldn't stand a chance against Zamasu. Shin is just immensely weaker, only being barely able to restrain a Gohan who hadn't trained for 7 years, just prior to Majin Buu's revival. He barely survived Majin Buu, who could have easily killed him. Meanwhile, Zamasu would have been able to kill Majin Buu unaided with relative ease.
Technically speaking, we've seen that zeno servives reality being erased. So its actually more likely the supreme kai of time is just creating a bunch of universeless zeno's.
You say you're talking more about the character designs than you should, but the thing is, this is an advertisement for a CARD GAME. Character design is the name of the game here. Heroes is all about giving those fanfic moments like SS3 Bardock and SS4 Broly, making them dripped out and having them fight. So yeah, you're doing absolutely nothing wrong here. 🤣
The only design of trunks I like is the saiyan armor and when he goes back to the future long hair buffed as fk with a tank top, goddamn that trunks was peak, every other version is stupid
We're hurtling towards some sort of conclusion here. I think there's only two more episodes of this show left. Been loving it, glad I found this channel again right as GT was ending.
Heroes actually named it. It's not the best name but, they named it. It's called Power Unleashed though for the Supreme Kais of Time it is specifically Power of Time Unleashed.
As far as the universes-vs-timelines thing goes, I look at it this way: technically, there are actually two different “multiverses” in Dragon Ball. The *physical* multiverse is what’s introduced in Super: twelve physically-separate universes, like the planets in a solar system, which all exist within the same timeline. The “temporal multiverse” is more like the multiverses in Marvel or DC: a theoretically-infinite number of alternate timelines, which are all totally separate from each other unless you can travel between them (like Future Trunks or the Time Patrol). We already saw that in DBZ, and in Super with the Goku Black arc: Future Trunks’s timeline is fully separate from the main DB/Z/Super timeline, and has its own set of universes & its own version of Zeno. That’s why Jiren & Hit are on “Team Super” in this arc, because they’re from the same timeline as Goku & the other Z-Fighters.
The most annoying thing is that the Super Heroes anime starts at like... Part 15 of the story, with 14 parts that have all the info and set up long past
I think the whole deal with Time Kais vs Xeno is a sort of whoever can strike first situation where the Kai can erase Xeno’s timeline and Xeno can erase the Kai’s universe
@@wyattbarnett3877 yes, Lani only thinks this story is confusing. Individual KH games are semi-comprehensible individually, but DO not gaze into the eldritch void and try to make sense of the setting. that way lies madness and the desire to end all life in all dimensions.
It's funny that you said that there are infinite Zenos because that means Goku jacked Future Zeno from a Future Grand Priest and I think that's hilarious
I am loving the time capsule reaction to commentary on GT Episodes. I never minded the outfit commentary because what else was there to talk about in GT. Hello .
Mention of the manga, my beloved. Also, it took longer to read all of the manga than watching all of the anime which might be a good descriptor for how much of a bastardisation the promotional anime is.
when it comes to Zeno and Supreme Kai of time, I feel like they're exact opposites, Supreme Kai of time exists in a space outside of Zeno's normal influence, the time nest, and Zeno exists in a space without time, outside of the Supreme Kais influence, both time an space are constants so they both Zeno and Kai of time must exist, is this incorrect? probably, but its the best i can think of.
If I had to speculate, I have to assume that Zeno exists as a constant during ALL of Space and Time but also outside of Space and Time, BUT is connected to space and time, so if you reach out to Zeno from different points in space and time, you can get the current Zeno, but, being Omnipotent and technically Omnipresent (throughout existence, not necessarily throughout the entirety of observable mass in the Universe) Zeno is then also able to traverse through time and space despite already existing in time and space. It's also probable Zeno is immune to the destruction of time and space regardless, so the SKoT can destroy whatever she wants but Zeno will exist in the void precisely as he did when Goku went to get him after he had his tantrum in Future Trunks' deleted Universe. I have to assume everything around Zeno gets wiped out but he remains and remains essentially unbothered by even the infinite void surrounding him, even for eternity, because to HIS scale it is something trivial.
we learn more about the dark dragonballs in the manga. they are made by an evil dende who worked with mechikabara or was mind controlled by him, that one isnt specific
yeah the idea in Super seemed to be that, yes making more timelines is a thing that happens, but they don't usually stick around. In many cases they get... removed. much like what Aios does.
I think the implication is that both Zeno and the Supreme Kai of Time are essentially glass cannons when it comes to their power levels relative to each other.
I understand a lot of westerners won't know the backstory of that other Piccolo unless they either play the game or read the manga. But he is from a timeline where on Namek, Frieza murks EVERYONE! Dende, Krillin, Bulma, Vegeta, Goku and even Gohan! That Piccolo was the only survivor.
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Kaiser where’s your dad at? 😂
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I like to imagine that by abridged logic, Dark Future Gohan is the version that did bang Bulma. DARKEST TIMELINE
When he let out a masanko into the air it clued in the androids to their location and that's how they got Trunks and Bulma
And if you think about it, If Future Bulma did get pregnant, dies after Trunks gets killed, that’s even more darker and makes Gohan snap even more…
Darkest timeline yet in the series… 😅
I like to think that banging bulma finally gave Gohan the power up he needed to beat the androids.
@@prachetasnayse9709 “Well you know what they say. A saiyan gets stronger every time he comes- *yawns* - back from the brink of death.”
@@russellmarch4983 wow, I actually forgot about that 💀
And so Yamacha gained a hot new alien girlfriend.
However he was not able to keep her due to being non canon.
-TFS probably.
the entire saga treats him like dirt imo not a win in my book. and made vidro a child which just goes against his character a g a i n
Yamcha is forever alone because he cheated on Bulma. Why did you cheat on the rich girl, Yamcha?
@TheUltimateRare yamcha had bad luck prior to thwt and while he was being loya *she* was not. and tbf she married the short maniac so if anything he dodged a bullet
@@TheUltimateRare Yamcha cheating on Bulma is something stated by Bulma and Toriyama. Given the former who has been hitting on any man she saw even while dating Yamcha and the latter being a guy who doesn't even know his own characters, yea I ain't taking any stock in that statement.
Youre defined by the idealized self in the moment. The idealized self for bulma at that time was silly 😜, and yamchas was also silly 😂. They both paid the price of their actions. Its non sensical to use the past as a metric for present and future, especially the suffering and non suffering.
Again, kudos to the editor for including Turles taking yet another bite of a fruit. Didn't crush it this time, but keep adding them, it's so funny that the fruit is EVERYTHING that Turles has.
How many fuckin' trees did this man plant!?
@@ectothermic Yes
@@ectothermic
Hey, it's a pretty big tree.
@@ectothermic Enough
Instead of transforming, maybe its his preferred mo of taking planets.
Chronoa is the name of the current Supreme Kai Of Time
I think you mean Kai.
Supreme King Kai of Time, you mean.
It's Kaiōshin of Time.
Yeah... I find it weird how they never actually say that in Xenoverse 1 or 2.
But then again, Xenoverse never shows Xeno Trunks or Supreme Kai of Time at their full power either. Like, Chronoa just uses her kid form at all times and Trunks hasn't unlocked Super Saiyan God yet.
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5:01 One of my favorite jokes from I think Shin Budokai is that Jenemba and Kid Buu are the only ones who can understand each other’s speech.
Fusions also made that joke. Which is how we got Jenembuu.
Heroes actually made xeno kid buu absorb xeno jenemba. (why xeno? Because they have dark dragon balls on their chest) and it’s shown in one of the animation opening for the games back in 2017 and actually in the manga.
@@BensyBens Don't forget he also absorbed Xeno Dabura (who looks just like regular Dabura in base but in Demon God form has the weirdest drip ever) before that
@ i know who is xeno dabura and already knew it.
@@BensyBens didn't think you don't, just mentioned an extra tidbit you omitted
Trunks: "You can't beat me with one arm!!"
Trunks, you are a Super Sayain God. It wouldn't matter if Gohan had 4 arms.
Remember: Trunks is the son of Vegeta... he's going to lose, it's in his DNA
@@fredcasdensworldDark Future Gohan to Time Patrol Trunks "Try to forget you're half Vegeta and don't fuck it up."
Xeno time power up go brrrrrrr
Dark Shenron carrying Gohan HARD
each time Yamcha is on screen you must scream in Krillin's voice : YAMCHA'S HERE !
"Don't worry guys, I'M HERE NOW!"
Yamcha's dead!
YAMCHA'S.....SURPRISINGLY STILL ALIVE!
Her name isn’t said much but it’s Chronoa lol
Was about to post this lol. Yeah, she has a name, and through an event you can unlock her True Form as a fighter in Xenovesre 2
@@DMBLaanI knew you could unlock her as a playable character but I didn’t know they added her full powered form
I was gonna say... lol
You can’t get full power SKoT in xenoverse you can only get short queen Chronoa.
Basically play Xenoverse ;/
So the unknown female warrior DOES have a name. Her name is Vidro.
These characters name theming is glass who could have guesse
(Vidro means glass in portuguese
Also laggs wich is a anagram from glass)
@@CERISTHEDEVglass doesn’t have 2 Gs
@ragnaricstudios5888 theres a correct therm for this but i do not remember so i just called it an anagram despite of the 2 Gs
@@ragnaricstudios5888 It's spelled Lagss.
Fun fact, the Tapion in the Supreme Kai of Time Arc is explicitly stated to be the same one from the Movie where he debuted - it's not an alternative counterpart like the others. It's why he doesn't have his sword.
I love how RUclips is suggesting this look up who Tapion is.
"Wait, it's toddlers all the way down?"
"Always has been."
For those unaware, the dark dragon balls are different because they were made by a Dende who was being controlled by demons. So they have an *eeeeevil* influence to them.
That is Gomah's plan in Daima 😂
@@specialnewb9821damn i'd bet money on it
@@MarbleVirus also the shadow dragons have alternate forms due to the dark dragon balls. Although it doesn’t make them look any better, some of them look worse than they did in GT.
@@Gwanhk. why bet, Gomah literally says so in an episode.
Makai Dragon Balls.
Fun fact about Yamcha and Vidros (her name from the manga), Vidros asks Xeno Pan what Yamcha's name is, and Pan, seeing she's being wooed, tells her that his name is Darling xD
Also, in that same moment in the manga, Xeno Pan, who is just basically GT Pan in a new outfit, has a massive crush on Hit, calling him Hit-sama with hearts in her eyes
So 12-ish year old Pan's type is 1000+ year old purple aliens with literal penis heads who once killed her grandfather. That's certainly a choice
Lol I didn't know the Pan Hit crush haha
Hit didn't kill Xeno Goku so it wasn't HER grandfather
Xeno Pan is darkly funny to me. Because yah, she's implied to be just GT Pan, but at the same time, she's implied to be the only survivor of her timeline being destroyed. This means that not only does GT literally not exist anymore, the only thing from it that's still around is Pan of all people, because Xeno Goku and Vegeta are made by the Supreme Kai of Time asking Trunks who the strongest people are.
@seroforgas5261 oh interesting i though xeno goku & vegeta were from the gt timeline
I mean, if she couldn't like people who've killed a goku before that would drastically limit her options, y'know
Grand Priest: DOMAIN EXPANSION: INFINITE TODDLERS!
Mr.Popo: And I thought one was enough.
The one angry boy vs infinite toddlers joke really got me😂😂
2:07 “It’s not kidnapping, he agreed to it”
“HEY KID, WANT SOME CANDY? JUST GET IN MY VAN!”
Grand Priest: "Where did you get that Zeno?"
Goku: "The Zeno Button...."
Grand Priest: "But....i didn't make a Zeno Button....."
Goku: "Then where did i get this Zeno......I'ma keep 'em!"
4:29
Tapion: you’re on the time patrol, but how much do you actually know about the Multiverse?
Trunks: more than I thought… less than you’d think….
14:28 honestly out of all these evil versions of characters, dark gohan had the best concept
Goku's fight with Aeos is the most accurate depiction of UI since it was first showcased.
If only this was a legitimate full anime series instead of a commercial break. This would have been nostalgic like 2008 Dragon Ball Multiverse.
Multiverse, but epic.
@@CSwizzleDizzle And Avengers Endgame in the final battle scene. Everything came full circle.
So just watched the new Daima episode last night and well it made me realize we never knew the Kaio-shin’s real name we have only called him Shin which would be the equivalent of calling the president prez.
Several of characters don't have a names, only titles, like Roshi, King Kai, Kami, etc.
@@Mari_Izu shi thats true. even before kami and piccolo split, they were "the son of katat" or something
@@joshcusack422 well they forgot their name.
@@Mari_Izu I wonder what their names are.
His name is also shin. Like goku is also kakarot
"I like'm more as a concept than a character" Well, that's the whole Dragon ball Heroes identity
Aw yes, the Saga that gave Yamcha a Win. (Then fucking rejected it for a joke) Anyway, love Vidro. Though mangas plot is a lot better laid out yeah
Another Bootleg “Land of the Lustrous”
character. Instead gems it’s glass.
@@bearerofbadnews1375might be wrong but these guys appeared on the heros card game before land of lustruos was released
No see, the planet was destroyed a long time ago so past Vidro fell in love with present Yamcha. Present Vidro is of age to marry present Yamcha!
@specialnewb9821 the whole thing they did with Vidro was so dumb. Just have her leave because time placement bullshit. Not "she's a thousand, but you need to wait a thousand more".
Idk she's kinda a nothing character from start to finish. Character design alone tells me they didn't give her much thought
I think people just really want more women fighters and not figure incorporating misogyny into every single one of them stunts them as characters
The current Supreme Kai of Time is known as Chronoa and the previous Supreme Kai of Time is Aeos (A-os).
Guessing a pun on eons.
@@GODOFAWSOMENESS1 more like a pun on time. Chronoa is a reference to Chronos, more than likely. Which is the Greek God of time. It's also a Greek word meaning "time" or "an exact time"
@@Gioppdumister ok what was the original word if not eons.
I'll surprised if each individual Zeno in every timeline that Aeos erased are floating aimlessly in the void like Future Zeno temporarily was in Super, imagine? 😂
“Who’s there? Demigra!”
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON, OLD MAN?!
Could be argued Zeno exists in his own pocket space, unaffected by the timeline deletions. Or he simply survives it. Like the Zeno who erased F.Trunks universe. He was left just floating there in no space
I feel like Toriyama always had fun making designs for Supreme Kais of Time. You can tell between their base forms and transformations.
The Dark Multiverse of Dragon ball is a hype idea!!! Dark Knights: Metal, but with Z-Warriors.
Yamcha's Glass Species Girlfriend's name is Vidro
I like Yamcha getting a win in this. It won’t last, but man, he deserves something.
12:33 Scott Right Masako really didn’t need to voice all of goku’s family
This whole series just reminds me of Yu-Gi-Oh: Capsule Monsters. A thinly veiled plot with some recognizable monsters and fanfiction level power ups. It was originally a spin off series that was supposed to be the launching pad of a new game alongside their trading card game. But it didn’t work out so it got retroactively fitted into Yu-Gi-Ohs final season as another filler arc.
These days Yu-gi-oh just experiments with its own format like Speed Duels and Rush duels via the mobile game. From what I hear Yu-gi-oh Go Rush is pretty good.
Thing about Yu-Gi-Oh filler is that it still all fits into the main plot and most of it is just as good. Capsule Monsters arc was the weakest of the fillers though, until the end where I think it outshone every filler before it.
Yu-Gi-Oh: Capsule Monsters only exists within the dub, 4Kids commissioned the animation studio to make a new series with how popular Yu-Gi-Oh was so we got Capsule Monsters, Debuted as a mini movie like thing and then separated into episodes later on, Then 4Kids jammed it into season 5 and acted like it was always part of it.
Not the first time 4Kids commissioned something, They did it for the first Yu-Gi-Oh movie too, Japan was already on GX but 4Kids wanted to milk the OG series more so asked for a movie, the Japanese version of it came out after the dub, Early trailers for the sub version use the dub footage showing English cards lol
The way that Zeno hakai's Trunks' entire universe and then is just floating in a void led me to believe that it was impossible to kill Zeno? In fact I figured the Grand Priest and Guards were still around too, they they just let Goku take their Zeno. So maybe the Supreme Kai of Time deletes the timeline, leaving that Zeno Grand Priest and the Guards in a void? So Hearts was just completely mistaken that he ever had a chance against Zeno (which would track)? Idk we've probably thought more about this than the writers did 😂
I think for me what makes Bardock wear SSJ3 better than anyone else is the bandanna. Like that sort of makes up for the lack of eyebrows in a way.
He also looks thicker
10:28 Or a Reality Marble from Fate "Unlimted Toddler Works"
Smoke knows no gender in the mind of a Saiyan. They don't care who or what you are, they just want you to run those hands.
For context on shin's power it's implied he isn't as powerful due to all the other surpreme kai's being Merced by Buu, thus he was never trained properly.
"Yamcha doesn't get a win, I wonder how this will pan out!"
Oh... oh boy...
9:22 I think Zeno is still technically stronger.
My impression is that Ios or Chronoa can only manipulate timelines. I'm sure that if he wanted, Zeno could destroy individual timelines selectively (we kind of already see that in Super, I think?), but since he can also destroy an entire universe and thus all timelines for that universe, he's still stronger.
The only thing I'd say is different is that the timelines aren't exclusive to each universe like Kaiser described it, if I understood him correctly. As I recall from Super, at the start of the Zamasu arc, Goku joins Beerus and Whis on a trip to universe 10 to make sure they have all their time rings accounted for, which they do. To me, that implies that the Future Trunks timeline intersects with universes 7 and 10, probably all universes.
So it seems like DBBS takes the idea of "the fabric of space-time" literally, in a sense? Parallel universes interwoven with parallel timelines, with all of the former perpendicular to the latter. That's how I'm picturing it, at least.
Mechikabura had the Dark Dragon Balls made after kidnapping a Dende and the shenron statue to make a Dark Shenron with demon makeup.... also the Dark Factor is basically Mechikabura himself thats getting absorbed into Demigra and Mechikabura was a candidate to be the Surpreme Kai of Time so he already had god powers as Dark King
3:31 I've never seen some get so surprised seeing spopovich or murasaki again.
In the manga, Xeno Pan fell in love with hit which shocked the Gohans, heck Yamcha is the closest to making Aeos laugh
What do you mean evil Bardock? Normal Bardock is already evil
You mean the scientist? Bardock?
@@matthewcharles9813The very same
Eviler Bardock
@@revol4372 Okay, revol, _accurate,_ but tone it down.
How many Xeno Bardock we got?
We got a masked one in Dragon Ball Online, Xenoverse 2 & The God Missions in the video games and manga.
Then a Time Patroller in the first Super Dragon Ball Heroes Missions.
And now this?
2:51 Synching the character's mouth movements to Lani's words here was a very nice touch. Great work, editor!
2:48 holy artistic liberty bazoingas Batman
Actually Goku turned SSJ2 against Zamasu in their sparring match.
Here's a thought for an evil Piccolo:
What if he just, out of desperation to get stronger in a "dark timeline", went to Namek and just started forcefully fusing with all the Namekians there? Then, after he fused, the personalities didn't go away and he constantly hears their voices, with all of them trying to vie for control of Piccolo's body.
Going to dark timelines and getting heroes who broke is basically the plot of Dark Nights: Metal from DC comics. Villain collects a bunch of Batmans from broken timelines.
Machi Kabura, or the DB BS's Voldimort. When one horcrux is gone, another sets up and takes the role.
I'm shocked we've made it this far without our brains collectively melting
I think it's purely because it moves so fast that the brain keeps forgetting to melt.
the "plot" "advances" fast enough and theres so much bouncing around between characters, fights and different schemes that its hard to get bogged down by all the BS going on. Its just raw, unfettered, fanfiction and God-level fights
And on today's episode of The Manga is Better - "Surprisingly, a tournament is better paced when layed over ten 30-40 page chapters instead of five 9 minutes long episodes":
- A lot more of the conestants actually got dialogue and interactions (sepecially Hearts' team + Raditz), that the anime just didn't have the time to show.
- Exclusively in the manga, the "Catch the Time Fairy" rule was actually a secret alternate win condition told only to Team Majin, Team Slug and Team Ginyu (not the official names), who team up to search for it. Yamcha hears that but still runs into the fairy by complete accident, while Hearts learns of the secret rule by reading their minds. The purpose of it all is to see whether luck, strength or strategy will prevail.
- Tapion and Xeno Trunks actually get to talk for a bit and it's honestly quite wholesome. (Also slight tangent but the worst part about Xeno Trunks cutting his hair is that it basically guaranteed he'll never go up to Blue, because then he'd just look like regular Future Trunks from Super.)
- Fun fact: Tapion's team consists of him and six other members of his race - two of which we get a quick glimpse of in a single panel, with one looking suspiciously like the Universe 12 Supreme Kai. Strangely, Minotia (Tapion's brother) doesn't seem to have been a part of the team.
- Xeno Bardock actually first appeared in the first few arcs of Heroes that the anime didn't adapt and the manga cut down. His backstory is basically an abridged version of his Xenoverse 2 story except he fought Xeno King Vegeta and Xeno Broly instead of Mira (Towa Absorbed). A flashback in this arc shows that Aeos recruited him explaining that some timelines must be erased to maintain the "True History" (Loki season 1 anyone?), but Bardock asks her to give the timelines a chance to prove themselves, hence the tournament.
- In the manga, the fight against Vidro (the glass tribe Warrior in Black) consists of Yamcha (serving basically the same purpose), Hit (who gets wrecked by Vidro for a solid minute), Xeno Pan (who for some reason develops a crush on Hit, which is basically the only thing Heroes ever gave her), Xeno Gohan (who is baffled by Pan's proclamtions of love for Hit), Hearts (who makes some great faces and inquires about the Glass Tribe since he's still looking for Lagss), and Meta Cooler (who's just there to be a prick and Hearts has to keep him under check). It has some of the best interactions in the arc.
- Vidro's backstory is revealed sooner in the manga - her planet and tribe were destroyed by Chilled, but Vidro was blown away and managed to survive. Lagss is supposedly also a survivor of the massacre, even though she had the potential for a cooler origin based on what happens in the second half of the arc.
- Believe it or not, it took TWO YEARS for us to get the backstory for "evil" Piccolo (in a GUIDEBOOK), and they actually went with a really dumb one: "after he fused with Nail Goku was tooo late to save everyone from Frieza, leaving Piccolo the only survivor of Namek." Sure, let's just ignore Earth's Dragon Balls still working meaning his timeline's FAR from doomed; also, him never merging with Kami means his potential is REALLY limited, even with the Dark Dragon Balls boost.
- For some reason, the Time Power Unleashed forms of Chronoa (current SKoT's actual name) and Aeos were made *_EXTRA BOOBALICIOUS_* in the manga. And I guess there's also Aeos telling Chronoa that she wants her job back because she thinks Chronoa's been terrible at it, even saying that maybe Mechikabura (who was Aeos' apprentice alongside Chronoa) would've done a better job which was a low blow - but it's hard to focus on that when they just gave them GINORMOUS BADONKERS.
- Mechikabura's ghost is actually a manifestation of his Dark Factor that was left after Fu's defeat; his old look is actually what he looked like before wishing on Dark Shenron (not to be confused with Black Smoke Shenron) to regain his youth and power.
Next time: "This bad boy can fit SO MANY CAMEOS in it!"
hunh, much better, yeah. :)
The glass tribe girl is called Vidro, in the manga her calling him darling was because *Pan was trolling her by telling her it's his name
20:18 To make it clear how strong Zamasu is, he fought and kept up with a Super Saiyan 2 Goku, who at the time had retained the raw power of Super Saiyan God in his base and continued to train, throughout both the Res 'F' and Universe 6 Tournament Arcs, to get dozens, if not hundreds, of times stronger. Goku says it himself: Shin wouldn't stand a chance against Zamasu. Shin is just immensely weaker, only being barely able to restrain a Gohan who hadn't trained for 7 years, just prior to Majin Buu's revival. He barely survived Majin Buu, who could have easily killed him. Meanwhile, Zamasu would have been able to kill Majin Buu unaided with relative ease.
Remind me, my memory is foggy, did Shin say HE could oneshot Frieza, or did he say the Supreme Kais who got Buu'd could do that?
just how unhinged can a Hello Fresh Christmas Commercial get?
Good Job, Nick.
Technically speaking, we've seen that zeno servives reality being erased. So its actually more likely the supreme kai of time is just creating a bunch of universeless zeno's.
12:13 Well, well. How the tables have turned. Remember when Kaiser said "I'm not reading the manga. I'm not doing it. You can't make me,"?
his curiosity has started to pique.... and you know what the ancient saying says this will lead to. :p
You say you're talking more about the character designs than you should, but the thing is, this is an advertisement for a CARD GAME. Character design is the name of the game here. Heroes is all about giving those fanfic moments like SS3 Bardock and SS4 Broly, making them dripped out and having them fight. So yeah, you're doing absolutely nothing wrong here. 🤣
9:00 Supreme kai of time has actively expressed fear of Zeno, and we've seen zenk destroy an entire timeline himself and still exist within it
The only design of trunks I like is the saiyan armor and when he goes back to the future long hair buffed as fk with a tank top, goddamn that trunks was peak, every other version is stupid
We're hurtling towards some sort of conclusion here. I think there's only two more episodes of this show left. Been loving it, glad I found this channel again right as GT was ending.
I'm surprised they didn't mention that the Supreme Kai of Times transformation looks like Fused Zamasu.
Heroes actually named it. It's not the best name but, they named it. It's called Power Unleashed though for the Supreme Kais of Time it is specifically Power of Time Unleashed.
As far as the universes-vs-timelines thing goes, I look at it this way: technically, there are actually two different “multiverses” in Dragon Ball. The *physical* multiverse is what’s introduced in Super: twelve physically-separate universes, like the planets in a solar system, which all exist within the same timeline. The “temporal multiverse” is more like the multiverses in Marvel or DC: a theoretically-infinite number of alternate timelines, which are all totally separate from each other unless you can travel between them (like Future Trunks or the Time Patrol). We already saw that in DBZ, and in Super with the Goku Black arc: Future Trunks’s timeline is fully separate from the main DB/Z/Super timeline, and has its own set of universes & its own version of Zeno. That’s why Jiren & Hit are on “Team Super” in this arc, because they’re from the same timeline as Goku & the other Z-Fighters.
Her name is Vidro- her name was revealed in the DB Heroes Manual book.
19:13 only the best editor can do this😂
Thanks Lani for breaking my brain thinking about whether or not Time Patrol Trunks should know Tapion.
The most annoying thing is that the Super Heroes anime starts at like... Part 15 of the story, with 14 parts that have all the info and set up long past
So the Supreme Kai of Time and Xeno are basically two different factions of a Warhammer 40K game
I think the whole deal with Time Kais vs Xeno is a sort of whoever can strike first situation where the Kai can erase Xeno’s timeline and Xeno can erase the Kai’s universe
Laughing my ass off why did they add the golden snitch to the tournament of power
I could swear the name of the girl who falls for Yamcha was Vidro. At least, says so on the Wiki.
6:54 to 8:05
So basically Kingdom Hearts but with a Dragonball Skin…
how dare you
@@wyattbarnett3877 yes, Lani only thinks this story is confusing. Individual KH games are semi-comprehensible individually, but DO not gaze into the eldritch void and try to make sense of the setting. that way lies madness and the desire to end all life in all dimensions.
Having multiple timelines AND completely separately having multiple universes is actually crazy
oh my god…they are using the golden snitch rule for the tournament…
3:58 is just me or do the Time Fairies look like Allen Walkers Golem Timcanpy if he had eyes. Btw that’s a D.Grayman reference.
Not sure if intentional but “Angelamon” is real and from the Angela Anaconda short preceding the Digimon movie.
I think he said Angewomon.
The question everyone's asking though is: Where is Majin Salsa?
Salsa was a cool character yeah. Loved that villain team.
I think supreme Kai of time is the Kai to Zeno like how the supreme Kai is connected to a destroyer
I alwayd thought that daishinkai was the kai for zeno.
But whatever.
@ maybe but I see him more like the angle to a destroyer since he is the literal father to all of the angels
This tournament has 3 golden snitches? Those weren't even a good idea in their source material!
It's funny that you said that there are infinite Zenos because that means Goku jacked Future Zeno from a Future Grand Priest and I think that's hilarious
I am loving the time capsule reaction to commentary on GT Episodes. I never minded the outfit commentary because what else was there to talk about in GT.
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Mention of the manga, my beloved. Also, it took longer to read all of the manga than watching all of the anime which might be a good descriptor for how much of a bastardisation the promotional anime is.
I would describe it as over-condensed.
Mephiles took a break from roasting Infinite when someone mentioned timelines getting erased.
I keep forgetting that Kaiser and Lani were basically recording all of these Dragon Ball review videos essentially back to back to back
"So wait, there are infinite toddlers?" "No, just the two."
I liked Lani tapping the table like bulma's tap-dancing in World's Strongest😂
Trunk's bright yellow boots and gloves clash super hard. I don't mind him in black and red through. Especially with the god form
when it comes to Zeno and Supreme Kai of time, I feel like they're exact opposites, Supreme Kai of time exists in a space outside of Zeno's normal influence, the time nest, and Zeno exists in a space without time, outside of the Supreme Kais influence, both time an space are constants so they both Zeno and Kai of time must exist, is this incorrect? probably, but its the best i can think of.
If I had to speculate, I have to assume that Zeno exists as a constant during ALL of Space and Time but also outside of Space and Time, BUT is connected to space and time, so if you reach out to Zeno from different points in space and time, you can get the current Zeno, but, being Omnipotent and technically Omnipresent (throughout existence, not necessarily throughout the entirety of observable mass in the Universe) Zeno is then also able to traverse through time and space despite already existing in time and space. It's also probable Zeno is immune to the destruction of time and space regardless, so the SKoT can destroy whatever she wants but Zeno will exist in the void precisely as he did when Goku went to get him after he had his tantrum in Future Trunks' deleted Universe. I have to assume everything around Zeno gets wiped out but he remains and remains essentially unbothered by even the infinite void surrounding him, even for eternity, because to HIS scale it is something trivial.
we learn more about the dark dragonballs in the manga. they are made by an evil dende who worked with mechikabara or was mind controlled by him, that one isnt specific
his name is Zamasu, it was never changed to zamas like you thought, it is still zamasu even in the dub
Jaoanese is weird and sometimes the u goes mute for no reason.
Thats why they pronounce it that way in the anime.
I want to say in super they made it sound like there aren't infinite timelines, but people who back in time create new timelines
yeah the idea in Super seemed to be that, yes making more timelines is a thing that happens, but they don't usually stick around. In many cases they get... removed. much like what Aios does.
I think the implication is that both Zeno and the Supreme Kai of Time are essentially glass cannons when it comes to their power levels relative to each other.
@2:11 so, if a kid gets in my car if I offer them candy, it’s not kidnapping
editor please never stop with the ultra instinct goku bit, thank you
dang, you guys really skipped over that scene where the kai of time is impressed by goku's instant transmission and ultra instinct. It's sooo good.
I think it would be hilarious for the last episode have Curt watch the series to catch and try to explain all of what just happened to them.
I understand a lot of westerners won't know the backstory of that other Piccolo unless they either play the game or read the manga. But he is from a timeline where on Namek, Frieza murks EVERYONE! Dende, Krillin, Bulma, Vegeta, Goku and even Gohan! That Piccolo was the only survivor.