$209 is more than the entire izotope Music Production Suite costs atm, inc Neutron, Nectar, RX, Ozone, all the Exponential reverbs, Guitar Rig etc etc etc etc
If Bloom was priced correctly in the first place people wouldn't be saying anything about discounts. They'd definitely gain sales if they made the price more realistic. People will just wait for it to be cracked if the price stays that high.
I agree with this. Calling an introductory discount predatory is a bit strange. As if they think somehow that is them bullying people into buying their product. But a 20 day trial is fair.
@fatmstr97 al right good for you. I never liked windows for a spectrum of reasons. I'm not a apple fan boy either but ipads are the best tablets and macbooks the best laptops after dropping Intel. Gonna buy a M1 ultra macstudio as well would never think about windows and I don't care for cracked software so happy to stay up to date, legal and able to open projects from 10 years ago with every plugin working inside.
I think Oeksound might be calling out all of the bullshit prices in the industry. They believe their product is worth what they are selling it for. Other companies know that pricing something at 300 is insane and 99% of their sales will be every 3 months for 29.99
If they don't sell the first two weeks, they won't sell at all. That's how the excitement of new things works. Somebody's got a real miscalculation at Oak... And we're not even talking about the crack that won't wait long. For me, it's disappointing to see such a policy at Oak...
I think 2 reasons bloom doesn't really blow anyone away is because it's essentially a super-nerfed spectral compressor, which can usually do awesome things 🫡 Unfortunately they went with a brown-noise profile which ontop of the smoothed out processing makes it feel rather underwhelming considering they likely have 2048 bands (bins) to work with here 😭
yeah, they should really reintroduce the sharpness control they had in soothe. that was one of the coolest things and brings out the power of all these little bins
A richmans / poormans Gullfross Or Ozone Stabilizer or Neutron Sculptor Or Smart EQ in dynamic mode Or ProQ3 boosting while also dynamic suppressing Or any EQ move into a mb compressor Or spend another 200 Or find a sample that sounds good to begin😂
Preface: analysis is not justification...just because I break down doesn't mean I agree or condone it. I can understand what Oeksound is referring to when they say that introductory sales are "almost predatory"...I feel they are referring to how a lot of introductory sales lean onto what is referred to as "impulse buys". Example: the reason you find candy at the checkout at your local grocery store is to get you to buy it because it's right there in the moment. It creates the same sense of urgency to buy it then because it would be much more laborious to buy it later. So while one may not want the candy when they first went to the store, the fact it is presented to them masked in the guise of convenience GETS you to buy something you didn't necessarily want or need. So that's probably what the Oeksound guy was referring to...but articulated it rather poorly.
Sure, introductory sales, flash sales, and every other kind of time-limited sale can definitely be thought of as "predatory" in exactly the way you've described .. but trying to casually slip loyalty discounts into the same category like we are all too stupid to notice is what feels dishonest to me. I don't care if they don't want to do loyalty discounts, that's their decision and they don't have to justify it. But as the saying goes, "don't **** on my leg and tell me it's raining".
I get where they're coming from. With the big companies there's always some wonky sale going on or special loyalty discount and no way to know what anything is actually valued at. Like $5000 worth of plugins for $250! Just an opportunity for them to use junk plugins to inflate the value of whatever the new hype is. It's questionable. I think Fab filter does loyalty discounts well and wish Oek did something like that.
i was gonna say, Valhalla does the same thing and never sales their plug-ins, but they just don't get flack (they actually get praised) because they actually price their plugs lower.
Predetory to force people to pull the trigger (without preview) FOMO purchase. Discount can also be really fake (PA, waves and UA are some great examples of fake dsicounts)
Waves is known to use predatory marketing tactics like having never-ending sales, or launching a new sale right when the previous one ends (both of these are illegal in some countries but they get away with it due to the fact they are based in Israel).
I actually agree with them. Introductory sales often get people to buy software they don't need because of FOMO and the fact that it will cost more later. It's a psychological effect that marketing people have known about for decades. They'll actively lose sales by NOT doing these kinds of things And $200 really isn't that much for a plug-in, all things considered
Yeah, seems about fair to me and it's not like they're the only company with this stance (for example Valhalla has never had a sale ever, Oeksound at least does Black Friday).
The lack of context for some of their responses tells me that they've already had this debate a lot already. Maybe different shareholders or people inside oeksound have debated this issue before Bloom was even released.
tbh they always act a little reserved when you talk to them. it's like their collective personality fr. even when you come at them with fun things like feature ideas
if you’re confident that the price reflects the effort that was put into the product, why would you start with a 50% sale? who would ever want to buy it after that? when a product is 50% off, it completely changes the perception of the value of it. feels like you’re artificially doubling the price, even though you could sell it at half off. I fully agree with companies like oeksound and fabfilter, because they make me feel like the product is worth what they’re asking.
They don’t need to take 50% off, but even $20 or $30 for owners of their other plugins would be reasonable. I feel like they know they have a great reputation thanks to soothe 2, so they feel they can charge whatever they want for a plugin and a good amount of people will buy it. Bloom is their test for that.
The best way to say you don't do sales is to say you don't do sales, simple as without another word. Or just ignore the question. Walking someone through personal beliefs regarding sales is off-putting. "Like wow, you've made me realize what a swindle sales are. Thank you for opening my eyes." The only time I've seen an explanation look good is Valhalla saying they don't do sales so they can keep their normal prices low, because their normal prices actually are low for great & beloved products. Their prices are excellent; it's a cold, hard fact; when they point it out there is no denying it. It's weird to see sales refered to as predatory since I'm the one constantly on the hunt. 😈
I'd call you on again a "win" for FLS over other DAW's but as a FLS user, I don't know any better. They seem to fix things I didn't know I needed them. Hell, I didn't know I needed that spreader plugin but it absobeepinglutely is amazing to have! And that repeating note stuff too. And that Kepler EXO too. Sounds amazing and is very aggressive so put your silk gloves on when making patches, just a hint!
High end plugins cost money. Oeksound has never offered significant discounts. Not sure why anyone would expect them to start doing so now. They make niche high end plugins and if you want them, they are asking you to make the investment. If you don’t like the price, find another option like gullfoss or another multi-band compressor.
@@josuastangl7140 yeah but they are probably not going to need it. On the other hand I hope they did the math and don't lose money because of a too high price.
... by preying on your fears and instincts. Once more: All temporary sales are "predatory" in the sense that they create a sense of urgency and prey on your fear of missing out on the best price. Loyalty discounts (temporary or not) appeal to your need to belong to a group - it's a sense of exclusivity and whether you realize it or not, the subtext implies that if you don't buy it, you are illoyal and may not benefit from upcoming discounts. Thus, there is nothing weird about their message at all, you simply don't fully understand sales. Once you spend some time understanding the psychology of sales, you will find that it is indeed very predatory and uses all tactics to bypass your rational mind. That being said, this product is nothing groundbreaking in my opinion and the price is too high.
FL Studio introducing support for CLAP, should act as a catalyst for other major DAWs like Ableton, etc. to do likewise and grow industry-wide support for the non-Steinberg-propriety open source format.
Oeksound just aren't that into marketing and sales tactics it seems to me. Just like Valhalla, which never ever have any sales. Just buy it or don't, I'm sure they'll have lots of success with it, like they do with their other plugins. Everybody makes fun of Waves for having a sale every few weeks, but also gets mad if a company believes in their product and doesn't want to devalue it. It's not like it's multiples more expensive than Gulfoss (or even just Pro MB).
it would be nice if plugin companies priced stuff more reasonably. it's pretty subtle, def in the category of you can make do without, so $210 is a pretty hard sell.
Kudos to FL Studio for add compatibility with CLAP. @Presonus , what are you waiting for? Bloom actually really looks like a dynamic EQ or multiband processor. TDR Nova GE comes to mind.
Or listen to dark side of the Moon, and realize they did that with a 140 plate and some consoles and probably some outboard gear of the time synthesizers of the time and real instruments 🤷
Oeksound is gouging it's US customers forcing them to pay VAT which is not applicable to them. If you buy Bloom in the EU they charge 199 Euros and if you're not subject to VAT, you can use your VAT ID to lower that price to around 160 Euros. If you're a US customer buying Bloom you're charged 209 USD with no way to reduce that price even though VAT is not applicable to those outside the EU. So Oeksound is effectively charging US customers roughly $50 more per plugin for the privilege of buying their products. I have made Oeksound aware of this and they have zero interest in correcting it. This is absolutely reprehensible and no one from the US should purchase from Oeksound until they stop gouging US customers.
You can spend $209 if you are lazy or don't want to spend too much time watching Au5's video talking about Spectral Compressor. It gonna take like 10 minutes to build an Audio Effects Rack, splitting bands, insert the compressor, link macros and BOOM, DONE the same thing! You can also put Roar of any stuff. Ok, this may sound too complicated, but actually its not. Or may Im watching too much Virtual Riot's videos talking about Audio Effects Racks.
I actually like the fact they only have two sales a year. The constant 85% off sales we see from plugin developers make me question the worth and quality of their products
It’s more a psychological thing really. People love thinking they’re getting a deal. It’s like Walmarts Black Friday deals. They’re not really sales. Just a sales tactic
Yes, all temporary sales are "predatory" in the sense that they create a sense of urgency and prey on your fear of missing out on the best price. Loyalty discounts (temporary or not) appeal to your need to belong to a group - it's a sense of exclusivity and whether you realize it or not, the subtext implies that if you don't buy it, you are illoyal and may not benefit from upcoming discounts. Thus, there is nothing weird about their message at all, you simply don't fully understand sales. Once you spend some time understanding the psychology of sales, you will find that it is indeed very predatory and uses all tactics to bypass your rational mind. That being said, this product is nothing groundbreaking in my opinion and the price is too high.
Can’t any of these companies come up with unique names? Another bloom? Solaris seems to be a popular name lately too. Why doesn’t anyone name their plugins “unoriginal,” or “yetanotherpluginyoudon’tneed” ?!?!?!?
The funniest part is as long as you save your file it doesnt show any name - just the file name. Cant believe curtis got caught when there is such an easy fix.
why would he just not buy the software in the first place, espeically if youre making money from it, like making youtube videos, no respect to curtis what so ever
Driving my car 1000 miles? More usefull? Getting my wife one pair of shoes more usefull? One day to Disneyland more usefull? People don't understand the value of money and don't measure or compare correctly...
I think some discounts can be bad for consumers. For example waves has their stuff always on discount and bundles, tempting people to buy the bundle even if you might not realy need most plugins in the bundle. Their low prices tempt users to buy many bundles, then after a few years a new OS update comes in and the plugins dont run anymore unless you buy an upgrade for 240 bucks. Meaning that over time (3 upgrades) the horizon bundle (~250 bucks) will end up costing you 970 dollars. Okesound's responce sucks, still i think some discounts can be bad for consumers
Y’all the use case for bloom is if you’re recording instruments you play. I know most of you do not play an instrument so I am not surprised you don’t get it. Keep using your loops and shit you won’t need it.
Izotope got me with that $29 loyalty price on the new shite Trash plugin last night. Thought it had to be worth at least 30% of list right? right???ARRRGGGGHHH!!!!! Now that's a predatory sale. They should have paid us for our freaking time!
Yeah, it’s shitting on Native Instruments, Izotope, and Waves, and anyone else that does those fake bundles. I do think they could have offered a sale, offered some loyalty offers, but the bundles with the constant sales from those companies absolutely muddy the water.
Kind of interesting how we’ve come to expect it. Like “hey software companies, let me try it for free or give me a discount cause I like you”. Only in software.
No, you dummy they’re shitting on the customers that keep the roof over their head and food and they’re filthy miles. Those shameless greedy oak sound losers
Loyalty and intro prices are clearly predatory. Any price that is time limited is designed to create a sense of urgency and "potential missing out" feeling in the buyer. HOWEVER, a loyalty discount that is not time limited is in no way predatory.
@@Weaverbeats That depends on what kind of sale it is though, most of these other plugin companies come out the gate with a 25-50% "intro sale" and then continue to give consistent sales which sucks because the original price they put is just a placeholder to make their "sale" seem like it's making an expensive product more accessible. It is in fact a tactic used to try to FOMO people into buying a product they otherwise probably wouldn't even think twice about. Waves is a perfect example of this, "Oh look their $50000 bundle is only $400 for this weekend only" when in reality they're just selling their $400 bundle for $400 while trying to make you think it's a 125x better value, literal mobile game microtransaction strat btw. The real problem here is that people think bloom is too expensive for what it is and will therefore flop completely unless they lower the price permanently.
Bloom is rather unique and well developed. Soothdoes not do what bloom does. Bloom is not multiband or similar to anything. Don't like it don't buy it. I would have liked a introduction discount but to be fair they don't make stuff what is already out there. They have some great ideas about how to approach tone shaping. They force you to use ears as well. I have paid about 160 dollars and do like it very much. It's like nothing out there.
Didn’t they recoup their R&D investment on the other three products? Since Bloom isn’t a million miles away from Smooth - probably a few tweaks to their other algorithms - I don’t understand the high cost. Anyway! Something for the hobbyists with other forms of income other than music/producing. The six years obviously includes time spent on Smooth, Spiff etc.
I believe that it took them 6 years to make bloom. i mean dude, it took me around half that time to make a vibrato plugin. and ok, i'm more of a beginner programmer & dsp engineer, but still I have a lot of knowledge about plugins and their processes in general so i'm not at an absolute disadvantage. what i wanna say is: 6 years is a reasonable amount of time for such a huge plugin. doesn't mean i want you to buy it or anything. i'm not even sure yet if I'm going to, but it does look useful. I just think it's a bit of a waste that their didn't add the sensitivity and sharpness controls from soothe. those were crucial for the tone shaping of that plugin and like, i gave them the idea some years ago that they could add the feature to soothe to compensate for the change in spectral distribution induced by all the cuts by adding optional wider band boosts. but now considering that this is a unique plugin it could also just give us the option to use sharp filters, cause why not. also no, oeksound is absolutely not crazy about sales artificially making things look urgent. idk how often it already happened that i wanted to have a plugin but already had no plugin-money left for the month and was really mad about that because i knew a sale is running out of time in a few days or so. that just sucks so hard. and they avoid that. how cool is that? they just don't make you feel that. i think that's cool.
Mr Weaver Beats, your my favourite American. I don't have many but your in my top ten. Your sarcasm levels are genius, I'm English so I know. Brilliant video once again.
😅 I think they are right! It is a scheme. There is a formula for manipulating people into making purchases. And they are also correct that the plugin market is flooded with crap products using this marketing.
give it 6 months and someone is going to put out a free version of the exact same thing. it might already exist. it’s just so hard to tell right now because they’re doing such a bad job of explaining what the plugin is actually doing to a sound.
@@notnoaintno5134 fair I suppose. time will tell if it’s actually special and any better than similar tools that don’t share such a steep price tag. I think it’s best to wait it out a bit to avoid buyers remorse. 200 is a lot. unless you got money to throw around.
people tried that with soothe as well but none of the free and commercial alternatives felt to me like they nailed the same usecase. i have no idea how it feels to use bloom but i do have soothe2 and spiff and i know that these 2 have been irreplacable so far, so i wouldn't be too sceptical about oeksound still being able to release good stuff. it's just their 3rd official plugin so far
@@mycosysmostly dynamic EQ? Dynamic EQ is fixed and not adaptive it just does it's thing like you set it and does not interact with the neighbor frequencies.
if you didn't already have other spectral fixing plugins (izotope stuff, gulfoss to some degree, smooth operator, etc) then this is a great one to get. Glad to see oeksound getting in the game. If it does a better job for me than the other ones, I'll buy it.
Adaptive is the keyword not AI driven but a smart algorithm which you control but always adapt to the material. I can only imagine one major function added and that would be the instances on different tracks or busses being interactive in assignable groups.
unpopular opinion . i think oeksound makes a fair statement all round and i agree with them. having said that i would like to disclose that i do not own a single oeksound plugin and i dont think i will any time soon, though i might eventually also i love my main man weaver and i usually agree with your takes but this one lies close to me and analysing my buying behaviour sales are predatory and while i hate that term myself - i could talk about this much more. but i have more important things to do right now and so do all of you hopefully! but oeksound make a big statement here and they are not wrong with it cheers
I don't think all sales are predatory, if anything the most objectively predatory would be fake sales where a company pretends to have something on sale.
if they are gonna shove me that price, the same as FL Studio signature to ALL PLUGINS edition (over 200$), i ain't gonna even pirate it, and this company is out of my view forever. how delusional for people for pricing it that high with ZERO discount and expect poor producers to buy it. literally screaming "morally correct to be pirated with zero remorse".
I don’t think people understand how much effort goes into a piece of software like this. It’s not always greed, guys. This level of sophistication requires *thousands* of man hours. If a developer sees fit to charge a premium, so be it dude. I don’t have any oeksound stuff. This isn’t me coming out in support of some company that I feel can do no wrong. But this is a niche industry and when you put out a highly specialized, professional tool in a niche industry, it’s often going to be very expensive. Professionals either pay the price or avoid the product…that’s all…
209 bucks for something where I struggle to hear any difference at all. Hmmm, not sure about the value proposition there... I can hear the difference, but it's not exactly a "WOW" night and day change, is it? Like, a few 1-2db tweaks on a dynamic EQ will get you 95% the same thing.
strange email correspondence,(lol) with Oeksound support was just as repulsive for me, only 2x a year their prices are painful to bear, otherwise better hands off
This was refreshing, and I subbed since GOD forbid you look up ANY plugin review and don’t see the SAME 5 clowns’ ridiculous face reaction videos as the first results. 🤦🏻♂️ I SCROLLED to find this, and glad I did! Predatory like IK T-Racks “total complete final boss grand finale end game bundle” for $49.99 🤣 as a market reaction to UAD basically de-valuing their plugins and giving them away in order to earn subscriptions to drive revenue (because it just works) 😂 $209 nope. $99 maybe. Will it be lost among the COUNTLESS other “killer deal” plugins I’ve gotten and NEVER used? Yep. Will it help me finish songs and actually put stuff out? Nope. All these companies are predatory (to a point) all so your track can get SQUASHED onto spotify and played for 3 seconds and skipped because there was no “vibe” 🤣 but hey if you keep going and “follow your dreams” you too could earn .0003 per stream and by the year 2030 have generated enough from your streams to pay the $209 LIVING THE DREAM! BRING BACK TORRENTS.
Cant you just put soothe on another channel and reverse the cuts (forgot the name for that function) and link that channel to the sound you want for the same thing that bloom does?
$209 is more than the entire izotope Music Production Suite costs atm, inc Neutron, Nectar, RX, Ozone, all the Exponential reverbs, Guitar Rig etc etc etc etc
On SALE.
Comparing something not on sale to something that is... kinda cringe, bro.
Yeah they are very expensive but they are also much better than izotope
I’d take bloom over that entire izotope bundle, as a matter of fact I have the isotope bundle and would trade it for bloom if I could
@@alyxgonzales💯🧢
Tbh only their denoising is worth any money Everything else is super duper generic.
$100 is the new $20
true
I love how you are progressively grumpier the more expensive a product is.
Aren't we all?
If Bloom was priced correctly in the first place people wouldn't be saying anything about discounts. They'd definitely gain sales if they made the price more realistic. People will just wait for it to be cracked if the price stays that high.
Rutracker already has it.
@@gaymanisfreechecked = cap
I agree with this. Calling an introductory discount predatory is a bit strange. As if they think somehow that is them bullying people into buying their product. But a 20 day trial is fair.
@@le-berry I produce on windows 🤷🏼♂️
@fatmstr97 al right good for you. I never liked windows for a spectrum of reasons. I'm not a apple fan boy either but ipads are the best tablets and macbooks the best laptops after dropping Intel. Gonna buy a M1 ultra macstudio as well would never think about windows and I don't care for cracked software so happy to stay up to date, legal and able to open projects from 10 years ago with every plugin working inside.
I think Oeksound might be calling out all of the bullshit prices in the industry. They believe their product is worth what they are selling it for. Other companies know that pricing something at 300 is insane and 99% of their sales will be every 3 months for 29.99
Oeksound usually has two sales a year. One in April and the other in November ( BF )
When people only buy during sales, that should be a good indicator that something is wrong with the pricing 😂.
very unlikely bloom will be included in the sale
so they hunt only twice a year
They already said they aren’t including it in any sales in the next 6 months
If they don't sell the first two weeks, they won't sell at all. That's how the excitement of new things works. Somebody's got a real miscalculation at Oak... And we're not even talking about the crack that won't wait long. For me, it's disappointing to see such a policy at Oak...
I think 2 reasons bloom doesn't really blow anyone away is because it's essentially a super-nerfed spectral compressor, which can usually do awesome things 🫡 Unfortunately they went with a brown-noise profile which ontop of the smoothed out processing makes it feel rather underwhelming considering they likely have 2048 bands (bins) to work with here 😭
Dude yea, usually their stuff are streamlined but also advanced but not this one, seems super underwhelming esp in terms of control
yeah, they should really reintroduce the sharpness control they had in soothe. that was one of the coolest things and brings out the power of all these little bins
fair assesment
This is the only good critique I've seen of bloom so far lol
And of course, there's a free spectral compressor that can do soothey stuff or, (probably, I haven't tried) this thingy
A richmans / poormans Gullfross
Or Ozone Stabilizer or Neutron Sculptor
Or Smart EQ in dynamic mode
Or ProQ3 boosting while also dynamic suppressing
Or any EQ move into a mb compressor
Or spend another 200
Or find a sample that sounds good to begin😂
Preface: analysis is not justification...just because I break down doesn't mean I agree or condone it.
I can understand what Oeksound is referring to when they say that introductory sales are "almost predatory"...I feel they are referring to how a lot of introductory sales lean onto what is referred to as "impulse buys". Example: the reason you find candy at the checkout at your local grocery store is to get you to buy it because it's right there in the moment. It creates the same sense of urgency to buy it then because it would be much more laborious to buy it later. So while one may not want the candy when they first went to the store, the fact it is presented to them masked in the guise of convenience GETS you to buy something you didn't necessarily want or need.
So that's probably what the Oeksound guy was referring to...but articulated it rather poorly.
Sure, introductory sales, flash sales, and every other kind of time-limited sale can definitely be thought of as "predatory" in exactly the way you've described .. but trying to casually slip loyalty discounts into the same category like we are all too stupid to notice is what feels dishonest to me. I don't care if they don't want to do loyalty discounts, that's their decision and they don't have to justify it. But as the saying goes, "don't **** on my leg and tell me it's raining".
Big ups to FL for introducing CLAP support. A feature us Ableton users will be looking forward to for the next 10 years 🙃
True asf lmai
guess i'll forever have an incentive to keep FL installed on my PC
I get where they're coming from. With the big companies there's always some wonky sale going on or special loyalty discount and no way to know what anything is actually valued at. Like $5000 worth of plugins for $250! Just an opportunity for them to use junk plugins to inflate the value of whatever the new hype is. It's questionable. I think Fab filter does loyalty discounts well and wish Oek did something like that.
A lot of it is a 'need it now' tax, with teh sales right after a lot of people need to release for summer or holidays.
i was gonna say, Valhalla does the same thing and never sales their plug-ins, but they just don't get flack (they actually get praised) because they actually price their plugs lower.
Eventually you realize FL Studio gets mocked all the time because it's the only DAW you can punch up to instead of punching down.
It’s gotta be jealousy
Your subtle and dry humor that spontaneously comes out is golden.
thank you, glad to entertain
@@Weaverbeats thank you for ah-
Predetory to force people to pull the trigger (without preview) FOMO purchase. Discount can also be really fake (PA, waves and UA are some great examples of fake dsicounts)
fake sales are the only ones id label as predatory
Your best yet. I love your deadpan humor and how mercilessly you rip these companies. I do it in my mind but you do it far better in real life.
2:14 like seriously, wtf... thats why im not upgrading from my current version which i definitely paid for and own legally 😂😂
I can see a sale being predatory. Look at Waves claiming you gotta hurry or miss out versus Xfer who never has a sale on the software.
Waves is known to use predatory marketing tactics like having never-ending sales, or launching a new sale right when the previous one ends (both of these are illegal in some countries but they get away with it due to the fact they are based in Israel).
One can make more useful alternatives to bloom & soothe in FL's Patcher 🤷🏽♂️
also iirc there is an open source plugin that can also do that. its called spectral compressor or smth like that
for $210 I am not going to buy a plugin I will barely use, I am going to put it towards a hardware synth.
I actually agree with them. Introductory sales often get people to buy software they don't need because of FOMO and the fact that it will cost more later. It's a psychological effect that marketing people have known about for decades. They'll actively lose sales by NOT doing these kinds of things
And $200 really isn't that much for a plug-in, all things considered
Yeah, seems about fair to me and it's not like they're the only company with this stance (for example Valhalla has never had a sale ever, Oeksound at least does Black Friday).
@@josuastangl7140Valhalla doesn’t do a sale ever because all their plugins are ridiculously affordable at $50. Bloom is $209 😂
@@josuastangl7140but Valhalla is priced $50. Which is more than fair.
It’s a lot when I could get hardware for that price or not much more
The lack of context for some of their responses tells me that they've already had this debate a lot already. Maybe different shareholders or people inside oeksound have debated this issue before Bloom was even released.
tbh they always act a little reserved when you talk to them. it's like their collective personality fr. even when you come at them with fun things like feature ideas
@@Beatsbastelnlmfao 😂😂
if you’re confident that the price reflects the effort that was put into the product, why would you start with a 50% sale? who would ever want to buy it after that? when a product is 50% off, it completely changes the perception of the value of it. feels like you’re artificially doubling the price, even though you could sell it at half off. I fully agree with companies like oeksound and fabfilter, because they make me feel like the product is worth what they’re asking.
Like i said in the video they have the right to do whatever they want with the product, the response was definitely odd though.
They don’t need to take 50% off, but even $20 or $30 for owners of their other plugins would be reasonable.
I feel like they know they have a great reputation thanks to soothe 2, so they feel they can charge whatever they want for a plugin and a good amount of people will buy it. Bloom is their test for that.
I like how ableton's only perk at this point is it doesn't out software pirates 🤣🤣
The best way to say you don't do sales is to say you don't do sales, simple as without another word. Or just ignore the question. Walking someone through personal beliefs regarding sales is off-putting. "Like wow, you've made me realize what a swindle sales are. Thank you for opening my eyes."
The only time I've seen an explanation look good is Valhalla saying they don't do sales so they can keep their normal prices low, because their normal prices actually are low for great & beloved products. Their prices are excellent; it's a cold, hard fact; when they point it out there is no denying it.
It's weird to see sales refered to as predatory since I'm the one constantly on the hunt. 😈
Yeah, we know what they mean and it's a legitimate position to have, but explaining it in detail is only gonna make it look weird.
Valhalla DSP doesn’t have sales as well BUT their prices are always good. For 50 bucks per plugin you can’t complain. Oeksound, no thanks.
I'd call you on again a "win" for FLS over other DAW's but as a FLS user, I don't know any better. They seem to fix things I didn't know I needed them. Hell, I didn't know I needed that spreader plugin but it absobeepinglutely is amazing to have! And that repeating note stuff too. And that Kepler EXO too. Sounds amazing and is very aggressive so put your silk gloves on when making patches, just a hint!
Do the spreader. Get the Clap.
High end plugins cost money. Oeksound has never offered significant discounts. Not sure why anyone would expect them to start doing so now. They make niche high end plugins and if you want them, they are asking you to make the investment. If you don’t like the price, find another option like gullfoss or another multi-band compressor.
Exactly. Too expensive for me -> won’t buy.
Seems to me more like beginner bedroom producers crying, because they want it, but it's not $20.
@@josuastangl7140 yeah but they are probably not going to need it. On the other hand I hope they did the math and don't lose money because of a too high price.
It's not predatory, but it is designed to make you CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME the product
definitely a better way to put it
... by preying on your fears and instincts. Once more: All temporary sales are "predatory" in the sense that they create a sense of urgency and prey on your fear of missing out on the best price. Loyalty discounts (temporary or not) appeal to your need to belong to a group - it's a sense of exclusivity and whether you realize it or not, the subtext implies that if you don't buy it, you are illoyal and may not benefit from upcoming discounts. Thus, there is nothing weird about their message at all, you simply don't fully understand sales. Once you spend some time understanding the psychology of sales, you will find that it is indeed very predatory and uses all tactics to bypass your rational mind. That being said, this product is nothing groundbreaking in my opinion and the price is too high.
I do think it is a little too expensive for what it is, Like so many have said. I'll buy it in next year's sales...☘💪🏽👀👍🏽☘
FL Studio introducing support for CLAP, should act as a catalyst for other major DAWs like Ableton, etc. to do likewise and grow industry-wide support for the non-Steinberg-propriety open source format.
I dunno why I'm just now commenting after years of watching. but i love your channel, love the real responses that just feel honest and realistic.
thank you~
As someone who hates the constant 'sales' by most plugin manufacturers.. this is a refreshing take by Oeksound.
Oeksound just aren't that into marketing and sales tactics it seems to me.
Just like Valhalla, which never ever have any sales.
Just buy it or don't, I'm sure they'll have lots of success with it, like they do with their other plugins.
Everybody makes fun of Waves for having a sale every few weeks, but also gets mad if a company believes in their product and doesn't want to devalue it.
It's not like it's multiples more expensive than Gulfoss (or even just Pro MB).
it would be nice if plugin companies priced stuff more reasonably. it's pretty subtle, def in the category of you can make do without, so $210 is a pretty hard sell.
Especially with something you can sell over and over after making it once
@@Sosascape yeah the unit cost of software is effectively zero
Kudos to FL Studio for add compatibility with CLAP. @Presonus , what are you waiting for?
Bloom actually really looks like a dynamic EQ or multiband processor. TDR Nova GE comes to mind.
They are developers, not marketers (LOL) and they have delivered solid results. What's the problem?
Or listen to dark side of the Moon, and realize they did that with a 140 plate and some consoles and probably some outboard gear of the time synthesizers of the time and real instruments 🤷
Mixing and production starts with clean recordings... When you start with a masterpiece not much has to be done!
I just put the bloom in the master of my last track without tweaking any button and it's just sounding better now. This plugin is magic
I’m a Reaper Randy
Same😭
Oeksound is gouging it's US customers forcing them to pay VAT which is not applicable to them. If you buy Bloom in the EU they charge 199 Euros and if you're not subject to VAT, you can use your VAT ID to lower that price to around 160 Euros. If you're a US customer buying Bloom you're charged 209 USD with no way to reduce that price even though VAT is not applicable to those outside the EU. So Oeksound is effectively charging US customers roughly $50 more per plugin for the privilege of buying their products. I have made Oeksound aware of this and they have zero interest in correcting it. This is absolutely reprehensible and no one from the US should purchase from Oeksound until they stop gouging US customers.
Loyalty discount = predatory tactic
..ook, I guess
Bloom looks like a Denise Audio plugin lol
You can spend $209 if you are lazy or don't want to spend too much time watching Au5's video talking about Spectral Compressor. It gonna take like 10 minutes to build an Audio Effects Rack, splitting bands, insert the compressor, link macros and BOOM, DONE the same thing! You can also put Roar of any stuff.
Ok, this may sound too complicated, but actually its not. Or may Im watching too much Virtual Riot's videos talking about Audio Effects Racks.
I actually totally agree with Oeksound's pricing arguments :). But yeah, 209$ is kinda expensive...
Very cool that we're finally getting .CLAP support! That means Reason Users will get it in 16 years
Bloom is like dragon fire from denise but dragon fire is cheaper, tonal compressors aren’t new but bloom is pretty strong compared to competitors.
Idk I already have tonal compressors but I might save up and buy bloom cause it definitely outdoes the rest…especially on cpu
I actually like the fact they only have two sales a year. The constant 85% off sales we see from plugin developers make me question the worth and quality of their products
It’s more a psychological thing really. People love thinking they’re getting a deal. It’s like Walmarts Black Friday deals. They’re not really sales. Just a sales tactic
Yes, all temporary sales are "predatory" in the sense that they create a sense of urgency and prey on your fear of missing out on the best price. Loyalty discounts (temporary or not) appeal to your need to belong to a group - it's a sense of exclusivity and whether you realize it or not, the subtext implies that if you don't buy it, you are illoyal and may not benefit from upcoming discounts. Thus, there is nothing weird about their message at all, you simply don't fully understand sales. Once you spend some time understanding the psychology of sales, you will find that it is indeed very predatory and uses all tactics to bypass your rational mind. That being said, this product is nothing groundbreaking in my opinion and the price is too high.
Can’t any of these companies come up with unique names? Another bloom? Solaris seems to be a popular name lately too. Why doesn’t anyone name their plugins “unoriginal,” or “yetanotherpluginyoudon’tneed” ?!?!?!?
The funniest part is as long as you save your file it doesnt show any name - just the file name. Cant believe curtis got caught when there is such an easy fix.
why would he just not buy the software in the first place, espeically if youre making money from it, like making youtube videos, no respect to curtis what so ever
There is literally so much you can get for 200 us that will be 1000% more useful
true if you don't have those plugins already at least
Driving my car 1000 miles? More usefull? Getting my wife one pair of shoes more usefull? One day to Disneyland more usefull? People don't understand the value of money and don't measure or compare correctly...
I think some discounts can be bad for consumers. For example waves has their stuff always on discount and bundles, tempting people to buy the bundle even if you might not realy need most plugins in the bundle.
Their low prices tempt users to buy many bundles, then after a few years a new OS update comes in and the plugins dont run anymore unless you buy an upgrade for 240 bucks.
Meaning that over time (3 upgrades) the horizon bundle (~250 bucks) will end up costing you 970 dollars.
Okesound's responce sucks, still i think some discounts can be bad for consumers
Y’all the use case for bloom is if you’re recording instruments you play. I know most of you do not play an instrument so I am not surprised you don’t get it. Keep using your loops and shit you won’t need it.
Izotope got me with that $29 loyalty price on the new shite Trash plugin last night. Thought it had to be worth at least 30% of list right? right???ARRRGGGGHHH!!!!! Now that's a predatory sale. They should have paid us for our freaking time!
I think Okesound is shitting on Native Instruments in a passive aggressive way.
Yeah, it’s shitting on Native Instruments, Izotope, and Waves, and anyone else that does those fake bundles.
I do think they could have offered a sale, offered some loyalty offers, but the bundles with the constant sales from those companies absolutely muddy the water.
Kind of interesting how we’ve come to expect it. Like “hey software companies, let me try it for free or give me a discount cause I like you”. Only in software.
No, you dummy they’re shitting on the customers that keep the roof over their head and food and they’re filthy miles. Those shameless greedy oak sound losers
"Convince me" - Regular use of Spiff and Soothe is all the convincing I needed.
Loyalty and intro prices are clearly predatory. Any price that is time limited is designed to create a sense of urgency and "potential missing out" feeling in the buyer. HOWEVER, a loyalty discount that is not time limited is in no way predatory.
by that logic basically all sales are predatory
@@Weaverbeats That depends on what kind of sale it is though, most of these other plugin companies come out the gate with a 25-50% "intro sale" and then continue to give consistent sales which sucks because the original price they put is just a placeholder to make their "sale" seem like it's making an expensive product more accessible. It is in fact a tactic used to try to FOMO people into buying a product they otherwise probably wouldn't even think twice about. Waves is a perfect example of this, "Oh look their $50000 bundle is only $400 for this weekend only" when in reality they're just selling their $400 bundle for $400 while trying to make you think it's a 125x better value, literal mobile game microtransaction strat btw. The real problem here is that people think bloom is too expensive for what it is and will therefore flop completely unless they lower the price permanently.
Oeksound DO sales. Are they 'muddying the waters' themselves when they do that?
good point
So is Bloom just doing what Ozone's Clarity does? Or Noveltech Character?
sort of similar, much more control though
I’m just saying if anyone tried to beat up my boy Weaver I’d be ready to throw hands.
Bloom is rather unique and well developed. Soothdoes not do what bloom does. Bloom is not multiband or similar to anything. Don't like it don't buy it. I would have liked a introduction discount but to be fair they don't make stuff what is already out there. They have some great ideas about how to approach tone shaping. They force you to use ears as well. I have paid about 160 dollars and do like it very much. It's like nothing out there.
xfer serum has never been on sale
I own a pirated copy of Reaper
Is there next product going to be a 'multi-spectral, dynamic sound control solution' ?
Didn’t they recoup their R&D investment on the other three products? Since Bloom isn’t a million miles away from Smooth - probably a few tweaks to their other algorithms - I don’t understand the high cost. Anyway! Something for the hobbyists with other forms of income other than music/producing. The six years obviously includes time spent on Smooth, Spiff etc.
I believe that it took them 6 years to make bloom. i mean dude, it took me around half that time to make a vibrato plugin. and ok, i'm more of a beginner programmer & dsp engineer, but still I have a lot of knowledge about plugins and their processes in general so i'm not at an absolute disadvantage. what i wanna say is: 6 years is a reasonable amount of time for such a huge plugin. doesn't mean i want you to buy it or anything. i'm not even sure yet if I'm going to, but it does look useful. I just think it's a bit of a waste that their didn't add the sensitivity and sharpness controls from soothe. those were crucial for the tone shaping of that plugin and like, i gave them the idea some years ago that they could add the feature to soothe to compensate for the change in spectral distribution induced by all the cuts by adding optional wider band boosts. but now considering that this is a unique plugin it could also just give us the option to use sharp filters, cause why not.
also no, oeksound is absolutely not crazy about sales artificially making things look urgent. idk how often it already happened that i wanted to have a plugin but already had no plugin-money left for the month and was really mad about that because i knew a sale is running out of time in a few days or so. that just sucks so hard. and they avoid that. how cool is that? they just don't make you feel that. i think that's cool.
Mr Weaver Beats, your my favourite American. I don't have many but your in my top ten. Your sarcasm levels are genius, I'm English so I know. Brilliant video once again.
Been wanting SPIFF but after paying crazy for Soothe which I do like.. I have been waiting for some kind of sale/discount. HA someday maybe. :)
😅 I think they are right! It is a scheme. There is a formula for manipulating people into making purchases. And they are also correct that the plugin market is flooded with crap products using this marketing.
But I’ll also add.. for 2 hundred dollars I’ll buy a piece of hardware that does way more then this product.
give it 6 months and someone is going to put out a free version of the exact same thing. it might already exist. it’s just so hard to tell right now because they’re doing such a bad job of explaining what the plugin is actually doing to a sound.
if they explained it, all the producers and mixers who would buy it would be like "oh, it just does x and x, I can already do that"
Its mostly a dynamic eq, you can see it reacting.
@@notnoaintno5134 fair I suppose. time will tell if it’s actually special and any better than similar tools that don’t share such a steep price tag. I think it’s best to wait it out a bit to avoid buyers remorse. 200 is a lot. unless you got money to throw around.
people tried that with soothe as well but none of the free and commercial alternatives felt to me like they nailed the same usecase. i have no idea how it feels to use bloom but i do have soothe2 and spiff and i know that these 2 have been irreplacable so far, so i wouldn't be too sceptical about oeksound still being able to release good stuff. it's just their 3rd official plugin so far
@@mycosysmostly dynamic EQ? Dynamic EQ is fixed and not adaptive it just does it's thing like you set it and does not interact with the neighbor frequencies.
if you didn't already have other spectral fixing plugins (izotope stuff, gulfoss to some degree, smooth operator, etc) then this is a great one to get. Glad to see oeksound getting in the game. If it does a better job for me than the other ones, I'll buy it.
Funny you were talking about cords made by computers, and right in that moment I got an ad talking about automated cords by IA
well at least it wasnt unison audio
They have always had expensive plugins, this isn’t a surprise ahah.
Well at least the Oeksound plugin is not a subscription which I am thankful for.
Bloom brings out the highs nicely
If $209 is too much, put in more hours at your day job or use stock plugins.
almost predatory tactics :D. yeah you deserve the like! thanx 4 the video :)
Adaptive is the keyword not AI driven but a smart algorithm which you control but always adapt to the material. I can only imagine one major function added and that would be the instances on different tracks or busses being interactive in assignable groups.
🧿Reverse 2 Revolutionise 🪬
plugin boutique exists for a reason.
"Safe and controlled" sounds like someone got offended by a song.
unpopular opinion . i think oeksound makes a fair statement all round and i agree with them.
having said that i would like to disclose that i do not own a single oeksound plugin and i dont think i will any time soon, though i might eventually
also i love my main man weaver and i usually agree with your takes but this one lies close to me and analysing my buying behaviour
sales are predatory and while i hate that term myself - i could talk about this much more.
but i have more important things to do right now and so do all of you hopefully!
but oeksound make a big statement here and they are not wrong with it
cheers
I don't think all sales are predatory, if anything the most objectively predatory would be fake sales where a company pretends to have something on sale.
if they are gonna shove me that price, the same as FL Studio signature to ALL PLUGINS edition (over 200$), i ain't gonna even pirate it, and this company is out of my view forever. how delusional for people for pricing it that high with ZERO discount and expect poor producers to buy it. literally screaming "morally correct to be pirated with zero remorse".
Fl is king rn.
“this dude is a PS2 character” had me dead
I don’t think people understand how much effort goes into a piece of software like this. It’s not always greed, guys. This level of sophistication requires *thousands* of man hours. If a developer sees fit to charge a premium, so be it dude. I don’t have any oeksound stuff. This isn’t me coming out in support of some company that I feel can do no wrong. But this is a niche industry and when you put out a highly specialized, professional tool in a niche industry, it’s often going to be very expensive. Professionals either pay the price or avoid the product…that’s all…
I don't buy expensive plugins from companies that never have sales and don't offer loyalty discounts.... I'll borrow them though.
209 bucks for something where I struggle to hear any difference at all. Hmmm, not sure about the value proposition there...
I can hear the difference, but it's not exactly a "WOW" night and day change, is it? Like, a few 1-2db tweaks on a dynamic EQ will get you 95% the same thing.
strange email correspondence,(lol) with Oeksound support was just as repulsive for me, only 2x a year their prices are painful to bear, otherwise better hands off
This was refreshing, and I subbed since GOD forbid you look up ANY plugin review and don’t see the SAME 5 clowns’ ridiculous face reaction videos as the first results. 🤦🏻♂️ I SCROLLED to find this, and glad I did! Predatory like IK T-Racks “total complete final boss grand finale end game bundle” for $49.99 🤣 as a market reaction to UAD basically de-valuing their plugins and giving them away in order to earn subscriptions to drive revenue (because it just works) 😂 $209 nope. $99 maybe. Will it be lost among the COUNTLESS other “killer deal” plugins I’ve gotten and NEVER used? Yep. Will it help me finish songs and actually put stuff out? Nope. All these companies are predatory (to a point) all so your track can get SQUASHED onto spotify and played for 3 seconds and skipped because there was no “vibe” 🤣 but hey if you keep going and “follow your dreams” you too could earn .0003 per stream and by the year 2030 have generated enough from your streams to pay the $209 LIVING THE DREAM! BRING BACK TORRENTS.
based on the bass demo of bloom, sounds like it may add a tiny bit of saturation, def a lil compression going on
Instead of bloom I would go with silk by waves
They might have a bloom sale for Cyber Monday thats the only day out of the year they discount their products
Dude, you're depressed because you're using these AKG k240 mkII. I was too but since I switched to DT1990 I'm happy.
nice try salesman!
Cant you just put soothe on another channel and reverse the cuts (forgot the name for that function) and link that channel to the sound you want for the same thing that bloom does?
Erk lost me on pricing before and they've succeedrd yet again.
Their loss.
Any chance of a short form version (I don’t mean YT Shorts), with more of the headlines and less of the commentary?
Note Repeat!? After begging for 15+ years they finally added it?
Clap support kinda crazy right?