As a non native english speaker, one of the things I apreciate the most is the way this guy speaks, I can understand everything. I don't know if he does it in purpose or it is just the natural way he talks, but it works.
eri That’s actually true, My friend has a computer with a pretty old Intel Server Board inside with 2 cpus and an AMD R9 380 OC. What’s sad is that he gets 40-55 fps on a roblox fps game
@@shrekthe55thsharkking (3990X) you can install 256 Gigs of un buffered Ram 88 PCIE4.0 lanes per processor or you can step up to the (EPYC) processor with 4TB Ram per processor and 128 PCIE 4.0 lanes, both processors have 64 cores and 128 threads. If 4 TB RAM is not enough you can buy a dual socket Board and install 2 EPYC chips and 8TB of RAM then you would have access to 160 PCIE 4.0 lanes for each chip.
@@shrekthe55thsharkking it's overkill for almost everybody they are just competing with themselves at the moment. The limitations on it hurts it IMHO. They did it just to kick Intel while they were down. It performs better than 2 10 thousand dollar XEON platinum chips. The overclockers got it to 5.5GHZ on launch day and broke several world records. It does 24708 in cinebench R20 stock, they got it to 39518 on LN2! They could fix the RAM limitations with an update and they should because people who are using that kind of power need the RAM.
@noxxi knox Thanks man! Unfortunately I can't find good deals on 480 or 580's with 8gb as they're like twice the price of a 4gb here in my country haha
gaming on xeon e3 1240 v3, gtx 1070 and 16gb of ram. since i only have a 1080p display i can max out anything with it. + the temps are great even with stock cooler.
I upgraded from an i7 950 to a Xeon X5650 because it was like $20 on eBay. Two extra cores on it and I overclocked it to 4Ghz and it works great, didn't even have to change to ECC memory. It even runs a few degrees cooler. A pretty good upgrade for an aging X58 system.
I think it really depends on what you can get a bargain on too. Don't go out of your way for a server CPU unless you need it, BUT if you find a nice Dell Precision for example in good shape, it will make a pretty good gaming computer. I used a Dell Precision T3500 I bought on eBay as my gaming rig for years, upgraded the CPU once and GPU twice and it served me well.
You can't run new games on these old xeon cpu It is not because of frequency or other things, It is because some new games runs on new instruction set sse4.2,FMA3, etc which is not included in old cpus
Here's the thing..... the Xeon 1230 V3 is essentially an i7-4770 / i7-4790 at the cost of the i5-4690 (when it was the current line), for a "budget" streaming/gaming build it was a viable option.
you're an idiot. here the thing. xeon arch are specifically designed for server use. using it for gaming, is the dumbest thing. also who games on i7. waste of money.
It’s literally the same chip with ECC support and no iGPU..... And as I said , streaming gameplay is plenty of reason to game on a cpu higher than an i5.
A haswell 4c8t chip is a haswell 4c8t chip whether it's branded an i7 or a Xeon, as long as the clockspeed is the same. It's the same architecture. A lot of games could use over 4 threads even back when this video was made, and certainly do so now. Just cause 3 for instance runs significantly better on the Xeon e3-1240 V3 that I bought recently to replace my i5-4460. Ironically enough that i5 came with a steam key for JC3 back when I bought it.
@@chrisb178 Many people game on an i7 it's only a waste of money dependant on CPU, i7's come at higher clock speeds out of the box and are rated for higher overclocks so for the higher end GPU's they are pretty essential to get the best out of your GPU granted with somewhat diminished returns.
2:56 how the hell does the CPU have anything to do with framerates at 4K ultra?! Clearly the GPU is not allowing the CPU to demonstrate its capabilities.
Went from a i3-4150 to a Xeon-5650. 6 cores, 12 threads all clocked at 4.0ghz is the best decision I've ever made. Costed much less than a i7-4790k With the same performance.
no thanks the kabylake 7400 I bought during christmas time would still perform better than your xeon5650. cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-X5650-vs-Intel-Core-i5-7400/m355vs3886
+NinjaCon The fact that you linked a cpu comparison website with theoretical performance is just sad. His x5650 and board with memory would total around $170, while your cpu alone cost around that.
NinjaCon Almost no one runs X5650's at stock. Look at the OC multi-core benchmark on that page with an 88% performance overhead versus an overclocked i5-7400. For sure the Kaby Lake is faster in single threaded, but it has absolutely no chance in multi-threaded apps.
when he said that, i figured BS. theres a vid he made on a tour of his company and its loaded, then theres the equipment he buys, red cameras, apples new 10k comp, and a hole workshop for one of his employees. if hes pocketing less then 100k a year, that prob because when he approaches his next tax bracket, he prob spends his earnings on his company.
Keep in mind that there are programs/applications like "CPU Cores" that can make the game use more than 4 cores of your CPU and therefore get similar performance that you would get with an I7
2:07: >> There is no such thing as a "gaming processor" ! Difference between server grade and consumer CPU's are that the Server CPU's are normaly the better sillicon, build for lowest possible temps and voltage requirements. All leading to maximum stabillity They are normally multiplier locked, since overclocking is not meant to be used with servers(where stability is king). But because of the silicon quality, the Xeon CPU's usually prove to be excellent overclockers (my experience with those platforms where you OC with BCLK freq - like socket 1156 and 1366)
Actually the Xeon E3-1230s always had great value - slightly slower than top of the line i7, no iGPU, but just slightly more expensive than a high end i5. I have an E3-1231v3 too, even with a 3% BCLK overclock on my Z97 motherboard.
At my first job, one day we had to do image processing on a ton of satellite imagery. We had all our Xeon workstations cranking away full tilt, but it wasn't enough. Then I got the idea to install ArcGIS on a couple old HP servers we had on the server rack, and see if they could contribute to getting the work done faster. They DESTROYED our newer Xeon workstations, getting each image processed in less than half the time. Our lead GIS analyst was thrilled, and those old servers became his new best friends. Server CPUs can definitely do certain types of work much faster, core-for-core, than even "server-grade" workstation CPUs can.
IIRC ECC support is common among AMD processors, as if they just forgot to remove it. 😅 On a side note, I am using a Xeon E3 1270 V2 on a workstation MB (ASUS P8B WS) and the four Corsair Vengeance DDR3 8GB sticks I got for nine bucks each brand new work fine, so yup I concur. 😁
Note: You cannot just upgrade to a server CPU (Xeon) on LGA 1151 (Skylake/Kaby Lake), because Intel locked down the newer Xeon E3s to the C-series chipsets, such as C236. This means that you need a workstation or server board to actually post with a Xeon CPU - it won't work with H110/B250/Z270 whatever. This was not the case up to and including Haswell, but it seems like Intel has made it impossible with Skylake
lol, this came right after i have made the decision to go up to a Xeon X5670 on an X58 mobo. 6 cores, 12 threads, 4ghz. can't wait to get it after Christmas :O (btw this is from an I5 2500k, so it is a pretty big improvement, especially since i like to do streaming and editing)
i might have to do that! looks to be at most $15 more than a X5670, and even if you won the silicon lottery, and mine only gets to 4 or 4.1 ghz, still should be nice to have a lower power draw
Still interesting how close the LGA775 and LGA1366 platforms are on the pure core performance. It's the frontend that got tweaked greatly. IMC, 6-core, HT, turbo boost, power draw, all nice to enhance it. But the pure CPU performance per core and the clock speeds aren't to different. Got a X5460 running at 4.1 GHz and it is still reasonable in terms of performance. Only the power draw is enough to keep you warm in cold winter nights.
BigMan7o0 so how did it go? Akash ShAh seriously? I upgraded from a 930 2 years ago, the cpu was so slow it legitimately worsened my experiences browsing and gaming.
How about a video on building a small business server, using gaming CPU's. I did it a couple years ago with an FX-8350. Love to see if there are some best practices I can implement on my upgrade to threadripper next year :)
I used to play games occasionally on a dual CPU system. It's exactly what you would expect: no gain from having more cores. But for compute intensive taks (brute force approaches related to mathematics research in my case) there can't be enough cores as long as the workload can be parallelized.
That data center at 2:30 is a telco. That brown rack is a DMS100 or DMS500, and in the back there those are T1 Muxes. In the far back are fiber shelves..
So for a quick idea. I do get my hand on a former server PC (Former user got rid of it because needed a much more powerfull PC). Motherboard, Ram (8GB 2400mhz) and CPU is in place. Xeon e3-1225 V5, With PSU and SSd I can turn it into a medium grade gamer pc or for doing sound editing etc.
Well I think it is still interesting to see that you can now basically get decent Xeon e5's at 15 bucks, making it not only affordable but maybe even the better midrange choice
In 2018 I repurposed one of our old VMWare DMZ servers as a gaming machine: HP ProLiant DL380 G7 with dual Xeon X5690's (~i7-990X with the addition of VT-d, a must for virtualization), 128 GB RAM. Searched for the correct riser card to fit a GPU and put in a Sapphire RX570 ITX. It can run most titles from 2010-2015 with medium to high settings at 50-60 FPS. Played MGS V on it without a problem (but since this is a very optimized game for multi-core/multi-thread anyway, maybe not such a good example). Only game which didn't perform well (and I actually wanted to run) was Train Simulator 2018/19/2020.. but it's known for its very crappy optimization and prefers fewer but higher clocked cores.. Now our next round of servers is going to be decommissioned (DL380p Gen8's) and I'm looking to do a redux of this. Only problem: currently they are equipped with so-so CPU's (mostly E5-2630 and E5-2640's, v1's that is). I'm looking towards higher-clocked CPU's, but only the E5-2667 or E5-2690 v1 seem to be a good value proposition (around 40-50 EUR/piece). Once I look into E5-2667 or E5-2690 v2's the prices just triple, while not gaining that much performance improvements (aside from Sandy Bridge vs Ivy Bridge architectural improvements). It's even worse if I look for CPU's for our former main VMWare production servers, the four-headed (sockets ;-) DL560 Gen8's. Currently have 4 E5-4610's and the later ones E5-4640's in them, but not so good for gaming performance. Only affordable option here would be to go for only 2 E5-4650 or E5-4617's (both v1). Again, once looking into v2 CPU's (in that case E5-4607 v2 and E5-4627 v2) prices just triple and the value proposition is gone..
I had an incident where my wifi got hijacked. Along with a bunch of other changes, I disabled my SSID. It wasn't too much of an inconvenience for me personally, but it was a pain whenever I had guests over who wanted to get on the wi-fi and I don't really know how much it would prevent potential hackers from trying to get in.
I built my computer with 2 xeon-e5-2630 v3 cpus. I can run EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME! I did some comparative shopping, and was careful about pricing and only spent $900 on my rig, so I think it worked out well.
I have a Xeon processor and it's the best aquisition ever for my gamer PC, it has way more stability than most processors from the same level that are non-server.
Aye, but both should be taken into account. Some games do benefit from more cores, especially in the lows department. And some games won't even launch on a 2 core cpu. You also have to remember IPC. But once you get passed 6 cores (in some edge cases 8) in modern games you stop seeing huge benefits (2 or 4 cores in older titles). So basically, get a 6 core cpu and after you reach that core count compare different Cpu's based on cost, ipc and clock speed. Also remember that resolution matters, as this video demonstrated at 4k even a dual core will achieve similar averages to everyone else. The video didn't show lows (to see stuttering) or 1080p, but at lower resolutions you start to see more difference between Cpu's.
No. Frequency, IPC, and core count all play an equal part. All I need to do is point you to the FX CPU line that focuses on core count and frequency. A 5.2Ghz dual core is not going to be better than a 4.2Ghz quad core.
Battloid.kouji I hope that will be change it the future. Running at high clockspeed isn't too good for the long run. Spread things out across multiple cores helps longevity m stuff
Honestly, I think there would be a huge performance boost, when using EPYC instead of Ryzen/Threadripper. EPYC has a lot more io, so it's possible to plug in capture card, sound card, GPU for regular use, a second GPU for hardware accelerated video encoding and raid of nvme. There is enough pcie slots and lanes to support everything running simultaniously utilizing maximum bandwidth of devices. I wouldn't have said that if ryzen motherboards had northbridge/pcie switch, not all devices require pcie gen 4, but I can't plug 6 x16 pcie cards if motherboard only has one actual x16 slot.
One of the primary advantages of using a Server Grade CPU over the Consumer Grade, is Multi-Tasking. Almost every Xeon will outperform its rival counterpart. The main tradeoff is lower overall IPC performance, typically 3 to 3.5GHz vs 4.2 or more. The Multiple Cores won't help in Gaming but if you add Streaming and Voice Chat while Gaming Xeons handle that with ease because of the many cores. Take your typical 4 core 8 thread and start subtracting 4 for gaming, 8 for Streaming, 2 for Voice Chat plus anything else you may be doing and 8 Threads just won't cut it most times.
Dtr146 i think its good for me .....i dont do heavy gaming i cool with 50 to 60 fps ......so with this cpu its cool to do multiple thing at the same time
Ryzen is the best choice if that's what you want to do. Better upgrade path and better single core performance as well as having as many cores to work with compared to server grade Cpu's in the same price range. The best use for a server Cpu is running a server. Ryzen 5 1600 6 core 12 thread (200€) would be good for that, and Ryzen 7 1700 8 core 16 thread (300€) would be excellent for that, if you're rich then Ryzen threadripper 1950x 16 core 32 thread (900€) or Intel i9 7980x 18 core 36 thread (2100€) would be the best at that. Intels 8700k would also do a good job at that but it's much more expensive (400€ atm), and whether it's better or worse than ryzen 7 at rendering depends on what software you're using. That's not to say a server grade cpu won't do that well, just that there are better options available.
5 years old but even more relevant today. The most glaring advantage to using Xeon processors today in older 1155 sockets is the Xeon counterparts are way cheaper to buy then the equivalent i7 if you don't mind maybe flashing an updated bios. And if your on a budget and looking to move past say 1155, buying one of those X99 2011-3 combos from Huananzhi on Ali Express will net you a great price to performance increase while not having to spend $300 or more for a new cpu, motherboard, and ram. As long as you are ok with not having an upgrade path like me. Just my opinion of course.
I was loving my thermal electric cooled Opteron 144 :D that thing was great and overclocked like a beast at sub zero temps ;) also thanks for all the videos i watch them pretty much every day!
Going to buy a hp dl360 g7 server with 2 x5650 cpu and with 64gb for 220€ and a friend sells me a 1050 ti for 35€, hoping I get a stable 60fps on most games, coming from a 2 core i5 3210m and a gt630m, it's going to be a night and day.
@@romandelasalle I asked him, 35€ for 1050ti, not believing it, as soon as he said yes my jaw dropped, here in Portugal there's people selling them for 140€ or more used
I have a computer with 2 Intel Xeon Processors. VMWare works SO much better than any PC I have. As for games: My laptop with Intel 5000 graphics runs games better, but that's because I'm rocking a GeForce 8400GS in that thing.
I run a Xeon x5650 overclocked to 3.9 ghz and I get 4770k performance. Xeon processors are great for gaming but the reason people put Xeon processors in their rigs is because of the multi-threaded performance that Xeon have. this is where their advantage over the consumer class stuff is. I do a lot of video encoding xeons are great for video encoding. But xeons are great for any multi-threaded task because my Xeon is of 6 core 12 threads.12 threads is better than eight threads on an i7 hands down every single time. And not to mention games that can scale across all threads will perform way better on xeons then the i7.
Same, got a X5670 @4.6Ghz, almost all the games I play scale pretty nicely across all the cores at least, even if they don't all use hyperthreading as well. Games like GTA V work beautifully with it.
Nice video. Especially that you mention virtual machine. The only downside to synergy is you can use a KVM switch and you're fine without having to do anything more than physical configuration. Also remote desktop comes default if you set up a manual VPN. And again you'd have to know how safe everything is on a cloud you don't know any of the employees.
Hello, people were looking strange at me at Toms Hardware when i told them that i Would do a Server PC. I want to know if it is true what they said: -Gaming with Dual CPU does not work 'good' -Ecc Ram is so slow -It would be better to build a normal System(even though it is more expensive) -My RX580 Would not work with my Motherboard, because My MoBo does have BIOS and not UEFI I have the feeling that people do not like Server PCs/are jealous/do not know anything about it
A bit surprised two things weren't mentioned in the video: - I don't think you generally can switch to a Xeon processor just by putting it in your existing motherboard because of the chipset, but you can find cheap server/workstation mobos - What about people who want the max out of their multi gpu system? Conventional desktop cpus often support no more than 24 PCI Express lanes, if not 16. Even the highest Intel CPUs have been downgraded in that regard. Xeons on the other hand routinely have 40 or more lanes. It's also important in the era of PCI Express SSDs that will occupy some of the 16 lanes of your i7
I know this is old, but it depends on what type of ECC memory you use, UDIMM can still be quite expensive (it's a little bit cheaper than regular memory), RDIMM is quite cheap, LRDIMM can have even more memory per module, but these can be even more expensive. You don't necessarily need RAM with Error Correcting Code though, it is safer/necessary though if you use it as a server with some software RAID and you don't want Any corruption in the filesystem. I recommend just gaming on a desktop CPU though, Ryzen is a good choice, since it's much easier to get pretty good single core performance (along with multi core nowdays), were server CPU's are more focused on multi core performance and excellent reliability.
Thanks for the video. I wound up with a server with a Xeon E5-2680 V4 and was super excited for Tetradeca-core goodness. But you’re right. The base clock wasn’t as great as my i7-9750. But I did notice that while streaming through OBS it seemed way better.
The only good part over a regular CPU is that old server and workstation systems can be had for decent prices. Something like an old dell precision can be had for under 200 and can even run some pretty decent stuff.
As a non native english speaker, one of the things I apreciate the most is the way this guy speaks, I can understand everything. I don't know if he does it in purpose or it is just the natural way he talks, but it works.
Urban Canadian Accent
@you dont know me "8 hours ago"
4 months ago
Me too but i understand alot though ~_~
same! When I started watching youtube videos on English, I watched a lot of tech videos, including this guy
you: two gamers, one cpu
me, an intellectual: one gamer, two cpus
Two gfuel cups*
2girls1cup
@@bon2yan88 no
Ohh damn
eri That’s actually true, My friend has a computer with a pretty old Intel Server Board inside with 2 cpus and an AMD R9 380 OC. What’s sad is that he gets 40-55 fps on a roblox fps game
2017: 20 cores are impressive
2020: 64 cores are eaven more impressive
2023: 500 cores is nothing
3769: AMD presents a 573638464726383638363746573726283746474647583726273637372827272837383738474847384858585857363627272836383628270 core processor.
The googleplex core processer the most powerful processor ever made
Me: *cries in 2 cores*
On a consumer chip!
I'm from 2020,
Now you can game on Server level CPU
Threadripper
Get a 3990X you can game, render an 8k video and do 4k streaming at the same time.
@@shrekthe55thsharkking (3990X) you can install 256 Gigs of un buffered Ram 88 PCIE4.0 lanes per processor or you can step up to the (EPYC) processor with 4TB Ram per processor and 128 PCIE 4.0 lanes, both processors have 64 cores and 128 threads. If 4 TB RAM is not enough you can buy a dual socket Board and install 2 EPYC chips and 8TB of RAM then you would have access to 160 PCIE 4.0 lanes for each chip.
@@shrekthe55thsharkking it's overkill for almost everybody they are just competing with themselves at the moment. The limitations on it hurts it IMHO. They did it just to kick Intel while they were down. It performs better than 2 10 thousand dollar XEON platinum chips. The overclockers got it to 5.5GHZ on launch day and broke several world records. It does 24708 in cinebench R20 stock, they got it to 39518 on LN2! They could fix the RAM limitations with an update and they should because people who are using that kind of power need the RAM.
EPYC?
omg i m from 2018 came here
Some one verify:
Gaming PC: Handles 1 task faster
Workstation PC: Handles multiple tasks faster
@noxxi knox Would you recommend an e3 1270 v2 with an rx 580 4gb for gaming? I was thinking of replacing my i5 3470
@noxxi knox Thanks man! Unfortunately I can't find good deals on 480 or 580's with 8gb as they're like twice the price of a 4gb here in my country haha
@noxxi knox Alright, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks man!
@@LegoPlayerPlays seems that guys replies are gone...
@@sus-rai-69gamingchannel70 looks like the lad is talking to himself
4:50 That hair change was too much.
good catch madam
It's nice to know when we can turn off the video though. TQ does a good job in giving hints for when the ad starts and you should stop.
Too much!
Thought exactly the same
I was about to comment on that. :D
I have the xeon E3 1231v3.
Good old times when you got i7 power at the price of an i5
still rocking that 1231v3
I have that same cpu. It games just fine. I got mine free when my employer threw out some old equipment
same here, good old E3 1230 v3 BEATS the I5
i5-3230m 🔥🔥🔥
Brought an old pc for 50€ with an e3 1225
2:47 Ultra Settings
4:50 Low Settings
Rodrigo Borges hairworks on/off
Rtx on/Rtx off
Rodrigo Borges hahaha
Nvidia/AMD vs Intel Xe
4:43 - 4:50 Woa, thats the fastest hair cut I've ever seen.
Nicefisher are you stupid
@@wood7164 are one stone ?
GTA 5 be like
gaming on xeon e3 1240 v3, gtx 1070 and 16gb of ram. since i only have a 1080p display i can max out anything with it. + the temps are great even with stock cooler.
do you need to install any extra drivers or do anything finicky with the bios
@@wheezel55 you have to search your motherboard bios compatibility. google it and it should appear on your motherboard manufacturer website.
I upgraded from an i7 950 to a Xeon X5650 because it was like $20 on eBay. Two extra cores on it and I overclocked it to 4Ghz and it works great, didn't even have to change to ECC memory. It even runs a few degrees cooler. A pretty good upgrade for an aging X58 system.
Ultrasonic x3480 here
E3-1240 here, plebs
X5670 @ 4.44GHz with 4x 2gb Corsair Dominator 1600MHz and 2x 4gb Kingston 1333MHz ECC non-registered
lucky basterd my sistem died completely had had to replace the wole thing except gpu power and 2nd hard drive rest was fried
*use triple channel memory it's great*
3:16 That fly that hits Linus's face be like:
"Ay sorry mate"
*flies away*
I noticed that too xD
I don't see it
Ahmed K. Right Side of his face.
Lol😂
typical canadian fly
Does a server processor upgrade your gaming capabilities? No
But you know what does? RGB EVERYTHING! BOOSTS BY AT LEAST 140%!
Yes
this is the most cancerous, sarcastic, idiotic comment i've ever read.
xQuetiřo I guess you don’t like jokes than?
@@zatchiedits lol
@@andrewschauder5566 it is though
I think it really depends on what you can get a bargain on too. Don't go out of your way for a server CPU unless you need it, BUT if you find a nice Dell Precision for example in good shape, it will make a pretty good gaming computer. I used a Dell Precision T3500 I bought on eBay as my gaming rig for years, upgraded the CPU once and GPU twice and it served me well.
Linus: "You can't game on a server chip"
TechYesCity: *Hold my Xeons*
it depends on the game. (CSGO's fps depends on the CPU most)
He didn't say "you can't game on a server chip."
You can't run new games on these old xeon cpu
It is not because of frequency or other things,
It is because some new games runs on new instruction set sse4.2,FMA3, etc which is not included in old cpus
@@AmanBuksh Name a game that won't run on my 10 year old Xeon X5680 at 4.5 Ghz with 24GB ram, 1TB SSD and RTX 3080?
Also Linus: *Hold my EPYC*
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So you want me to unsubscribe? Okay then...
Wait are you from 2b2t?
XD
Well technically it's a "Subscribed" button now, so his request doesn't apply to you.
That's the joke...
Every second video you subscribe, every other you unsubscribe. The circle is complete.
there should be server grade scrap yard wars
nice
Y E S
firecrow 797 oh please YES. i would then totaly watch it
Spoiler Linus gets a Xeon for his computer in season 6
Peter Njeim Believe me, there are enough listings of such components out there
Here's the thing..... the Xeon 1230 V3 is essentially an i7-4770 / i7-4790 at the cost of the i5-4690 (when it was the current line), for a "budget" streaming/gaming build it was a viable option.
you're an idiot. here the thing. xeon arch are specifically designed for server use. using it for gaming, is the dumbest thing. also who games on i7. waste of money.
It’s literally the same chip with ECC support and no iGPU.....
And as I said , streaming gameplay is plenty of reason to game on a cpu higher than an i5.
A haswell 4c8t chip is a haswell 4c8t chip whether it's branded an i7 or a Xeon, as long as the clockspeed is the same. It's the same architecture. A lot of games could use over 4 threads even back when this video was made, and certainly do so now. Just cause 3 for instance runs significantly better on the Xeon e3-1240 V3 that I bought recently to replace my i5-4460. Ironically enough that i5 came with a steam key for JC3 back when I bought it.
@@chrisb178 Many people game on an i7 it's only a waste of money dependant on CPU, i7's come at higher clock speeds out of the box and are rated for higher overclocks so for the higher end GPU's they are pretty essential to get the best out of your GPU granted with somewhat diminished returns.
Christion Buric Lol you sound like an absolute moron, who games on i7’s? Try every high end gamer since 2013
“More expensive ECC memory.”
Oh, uuuuuuuu
Nooo that’s more money lol
2:56 how the hell does the CPU have anything to do with framerates at 4K ultra?! Clearly the GPU is not allowing the CPU to demonstrate its capabilities.
Went from a i3-4150 to a Xeon-5650. 6 cores, 12 threads all clocked at 4.0ghz is the best decision I've ever made. Costed much less than a i7-4790k With the same performance.
Ahhh, yes. LGA1366, still kicking. Only proper boards are quite expensive. And you got tripe channel memory.
HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul I got lucky. Picked up a overclockable board with 12gb of memory for $120. It was a pretty big steal imo.
no thanks the kabylake 7400 I bought during christmas time would still perform better than your xeon5650.
cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-X5650-vs-Intel-Core-i5-7400/m355vs3886
+NinjaCon The fact that you linked a cpu comparison website with theoretical performance is just sad. His x5650 and board with memory would total around $170, while your cpu alone cost around that.
NinjaCon Almost no one runs X5650's at stock. Look at the OC multi-core benchmark on that page with an 88% performance overhead versus an overclocked i5-7400. For sure the Kaby Lake is faster in single threaded, but it has absolutely no chance in multi-threaded apps.
You can game on any CPU, right???
Nope.My Windows 98 Professor cant Run WatchDog :(
Deon Spates technically no. If you own a NAS technically you can't do anything with the custom atom cpis.
Tanner Sims Some Nas devices can run Linux, which in turn can run games
Yeah try gaming on a celeron CPU LMAO but I guess that could handle DS and Gameboy emulation at least.
Yes my 6502 runs Mario bros at extreme settings perfectly
Linus earns less than 100K? X - Doubt.
when he said that, i figured BS. theres a vid he made on a tour of his company and its loaded, then theres the equipment he buys, red cameras, apples new 10k comp, and a hole workshop for one of his employees. if hes pocketing less then 100k a year, that prob because when he approaches his next tax bracket, he prob spends his earnings on his company.
They also get sponsors who donate that stuff.
Don't Tread On Me I think what he means is his personal money without all the cost for everything he has to pay first
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Keep in mind that there are programs/applications like "CPU Cores" that can make the game use more than 4 cores of your CPU and therefore get similar performance that you would get with an I7
2:07: >> There is no such thing as a "gaming processor" ! Difference between server grade and consumer CPU's are that the Server CPU's are normaly the better sillicon, build for lowest possible temps and voltage requirements. All leading to maximum stabillity They are normally multiplier locked, since overclocking is not meant to be used with servers(where stability is king). But because of the silicon quality, the Xeon CPU's usually prove to be excellent overclockers (my experience with those platforms where you OC with BCLK freq - like socket 1156 and 1366)
Help, my dad got me a 240 hz Asus monitor for my B'day.....
He doesn't know I don't even get a solid 60 fps with my 460
İts been 2 years, do you have a new pc?
It's been a additional 3 weeks have you gotten a new pc yet?
Mr_No_Name I moved countries for college and now I game on a asus tuf laptop :(
L Taken I game on a movie projector
L Taken I'm sad for your bad TUF display. Take your monitor to your room.
"Should you game on a server CPU?"
Watching this while gaming on a Xeon E3-1231-V3! (Only because it cost me £120)
Nah, I just got lucky and looked on eBay at the right time. It was a CPU only deal, no box or cooler. But still, £120 was pretty freaking dope.
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Lel tags
Actually the Xeon E3-1230s always had great value - slightly slower than top of the line i7, no iGPU, but just slightly more expensive than a high end i5. I have an E3-1231v3 too, even with a 3% BCLK overclock on my Z97 motherboard.
too with a Xeon x5660 that cost 40 euros :D At 4.20ghz it destroys the most i7
I like to play checkers with a set of Xeon processors
Austin Avilez nice
Austin Avilez Does the opponent have AMD?
EthoDaBeast nah, they get potato chips
Does it run like a nuclear reactor?
no no no I'm more classy
Minesweeper
BOOM!
At my first job, one day we had to do image processing on a ton of satellite imagery. We had all our Xeon workstations cranking away full tilt, but it wasn't enough. Then I got the idea to install ArcGIS on a couple old HP servers we had on the server rack, and see if they could contribute to getting the work done faster. They DESTROYED our newer Xeon workstations, getting each image processed in less than half the time. Our lead GIS analyst was thrilled, and those old servers became his new best friends. Server CPUs can definitely do certain types of work much faster, core-for-core, than even "server-grade" workstation CPUs can.
3:29 actually an ECC CPU will work perfectly fine with non ECC RAM, in fact, Ryzen CPUs support ECC yet everyone uses regular RAM just fine
IIRC ECC support is common among AMD processors, as if they just forgot to remove it. 😅
On a side note, I am using a Xeon E3 1270 V2 on a workstation MB (ASUS P8B WS) and the four Corsair Vengeance DDR3 8GB sticks I got for nine bucks each brand new work fine, so yup I concur. 😁
That instant haircut though
why nobody commented this yet lmao
I swear you've done this video like four times.
As always another great video. What I would love to see is how a processor works. Having it explained in the medium is much easier to understand
Note: You cannot just upgrade to a server CPU (Xeon) on LGA 1151 (Skylake/Kaby Lake), because Intel locked down the newer Xeon E3s to the C-series chipsets, such as C236. This means that you need a workstation or server board to actually post with a Xeon CPU - it won't work with H110/B250/Z270 whatever. This was not the case up to and including Haswell, but it seems like Intel has made it impossible with Skylake
#nerdenergy
Synergy has been one of my favorite applications for a long time, so glad to see they've sponsored you :D
4:33 did you shave your head???
4:49 whoa that change of hairstyle threw me off guard lol. i knew it's pre-recorded but still, sudden hairstyle change is sudden XD
lol, this came right after i have made the decision to go up to a Xeon X5670 on an X58 mobo. 6 cores, 12 threads, 4ghz. can't wait to get it after Christmas :O
(btw this is from an I5 2500k, so it is a pretty big improvement, especially since i like to do streaming and editing)
i might have to do that! looks to be at most $15 more than a X5670, and even if you won the silicon lottery, and mine only gets to 4 or 4.1 ghz, still should be nice to have a lower power draw
Still interesting how close the LGA775 and LGA1366 platforms are on the pure core performance. It's the frontend that got tweaked greatly. IMC, 6-core, HT, turbo boost, power draw, all nice to enhance it. But the pure CPU performance per core and the clock speeds aren't to different.
Got a X5460 running at 4.1 GHz and it is still reasonable in terms of performance. Only the power draw is enough to keep you warm in cold winter nights.
BigMan7o0 how did it go? I still have the i7 950 on my x58 motherboard
BigMan7o0 so how did it go?
Akash ShAh seriously? I upgraded from a 930 2 years ago, the cpu was so slow it legitimately worsened my experiences browsing and gaming.
Yup..got the i7 950 in my system. I could buy the Xeon X5670 and upgrade to a 6 core cpu for $53.
What about, making it so you game runs on core 5-8, and everything else on cores 1-4
So you dont have to worry about competition from other programs
How about a video on building a small business server, using gaming CPU's. I did it a couple years ago with an FX-8350. Love to see if there are some best practices I can implement on my upgrade to threadripper next year :)
Well... in 2020 you can buy Xeon e5 2620 v3 from aliexpress for 15$ and get basically same performance as i7 - 7700
for 12$ i got 2 and use them in dual cpu motherboard
Who have Xeon too ?
X5675 @ 4GHz
Me !!
Im sorry but i7 6700k @ 4,5 GHz here
TheRealYann same lol
xeon 1231V3
I used to play games occasionally on a dual CPU system. It's exactly what you would expect: no gain from having more cores. But for compute intensive taks (brute force approaches related to mathematics research in my case) there can't be enough cores as long as the workload can be parallelized.
That data center at 2:30 is a telco. That brown rack is a DMS100 or DMS500, and in the back there those are T1 Muxes. In the far back are fiber shelves..
So for a quick idea.
I do get my hand on a former server PC (Former user got rid of it because needed a much more powerfull PC). Motherboard, Ram (8GB 2400mhz) and CPU is in place. Xeon e3-1225 V5, With PSU and SSd I can turn it into a medium grade gamer pc or for doing sound editing etc.
Anyone else see his hair violently deflate when the ad comes on at the end?
Intel Haswell Xeon was a cheap i7 without iGPU.
But Intel didn't like this for Skylake and later
Well I think it is still interesting to see that you can now basically get decent Xeon e5's at 15 bucks, making it not only affordable but maybe even the better midrange choice
In 2018 I repurposed one of our old VMWare DMZ servers as a gaming machine: HP ProLiant DL380 G7 with dual Xeon X5690's (~i7-990X with the addition of VT-d, a must for virtualization), 128 GB RAM. Searched for the correct riser card to fit a GPU and put in a Sapphire RX570 ITX.
It can run most titles from 2010-2015 with medium to high settings at 50-60 FPS. Played MGS V on it without a problem (but since this is a very optimized game for multi-core/multi-thread anyway, maybe not such a good example).
Only game which didn't perform well (and I actually wanted to run) was Train Simulator 2018/19/2020.. but it's known for its very crappy optimization and prefers fewer but higher clocked cores..
Now our next round of servers is going to be decommissioned (DL380p Gen8's) and I'm looking to do a redux of this. Only problem: currently they are equipped with so-so CPU's (mostly E5-2630 and E5-2640's, v1's that is). I'm looking towards higher-clocked CPU's, but only the E5-2667 or E5-2690 v1 seem to be a good value proposition (around 40-50 EUR/piece). Once I look into E5-2667 or E5-2690 v2's the prices just triple, while not gaining that much performance improvements (aside from Sandy Bridge vs Ivy Bridge architectural improvements).
It's even worse if I look for CPU's for our former main VMWare production servers, the four-headed (sockets ;-) DL560 Gen8's. Currently have 4 E5-4610's and the later ones E5-4640's in them, but not so good for gaming performance. Only affordable option here would be to go for only 2 E5-4650 or E5-4617's (both v1). Again, once looking into v2 CPU's (in that case E5-4607 v2 and E5-4627 v2) prices just triple and the value proposition is gone..
Fx-9590 owner here......i should have gotten a liquid cooler LMAO :(
It would've just boiled the liquid and ruined the cooler.
@@kerbonautics5217 what
move intel bro
@@KokoroKatsura no
@@chad5115 lol ryzen is a much better option now.....
When "professional" tech reviewers compare CPU performance with 4K benchmarks...
TheGoncas2 technically it's a more realistic benchmark. I'd prefer 1080p, just saying.
Yeah well I'd prefer 1440p
720pleb
All the way to 480p please
800x600 for the unreal 2 gamers
Anyone poor watching
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Still here
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I mean, im poor and not poor at the same time 😂😂
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Hey Linus, what about 3D rendering in a Server CPU vs a Consumer CPU?
I had an incident where my wifi got hijacked. Along with a bunch of other changes, I disabled my SSID. It wasn't too much of an inconvenience for me personally, but it was a pain whenever I had guests over who wanted to get on the wi-fi and I don't really know how much it would prevent potential hackers from trying to get in.
I built my computer with 2 xeon-e5-2630 v3 cpus.
I can run EVERYTHING
AT THE SAME TIME!
I did some comparative shopping, and was careful about pricing and only spent $900 on my rig, so I think it worked out well.
I have a Xeon processor and it's the best aquisition ever for my gamer PC, it has way more stability than most processors from the same level that are non-server.
Linus.
Powers: can drop things with them still working, great dad, can change his hair
Zeppy Brawl Stars the most underrated comment ever
Server CPU + High end Graphics + GPU acceleration + Server grade HD + High End sound car = Fighter 15 / Wizard 10 / Cleric 10 / Rogue 5 in D&D.
2:34 You know how I know this video is old? Big daddy Linus makes more than this now.
2:34 He probably makes more than that per year now.
Native English speakers also make mistakes with prepositions! That´s a relief!
Prepositions can be quite confusing.
I constantly have my system on 100% CPU. Having more cores wouldn't be bad.
In general (of course there are edge cases) Frequency is much more important than core count for game FPS.
Aye, but both should be taken into account. Some games do benefit from more cores, especially in the lows department. And some games won't even launch on a 2 core cpu. You also have to remember IPC. But once you get passed 6 cores (in some edge cases 8) in modern games you stop seeing huge benefits (2 or 4 cores in older titles). So basically, get a 6 core cpu and after you reach that core count compare different Cpu's based on cost, ipc and clock speed.
Also remember that resolution matters, as this video demonstrated at 4k even a dual core will achieve similar averages to everyone else. The video didn't show lows (to see stuttering) or 1080p, but at lower resolutions you start to see more difference between Cpu's.
You can get +300fps on csgo with a 5Ghz dual core i3 but around 120fps with a 2.2Ghz quad core i5
Euronjuusto999 cs:go is hardly on a modern game engine. Quite an extreme example of a single core game because of its ancient engine.
No. Frequency, IPC, and core count all play an equal part.
All I need to do is point you to the FX CPU line that focuses on core count and frequency.
A 5.2Ghz dual core is not going to be better than a 4.2Ghz quad core.
Battloid.kouji I hope that will be change it the future. Running at high clockspeed isn't too good for the long run. Spread things out across multiple cores helps longevity m stuff
Honestly, I think there would be a huge performance boost, when using EPYC instead of Ryzen/Threadripper. EPYC has a lot more io, so it's possible to plug in capture card, sound card, GPU for regular use, a second GPU for hardware accelerated video encoding and raid of nvme. There is enough pcie slots and lanes to support everything running simultaniously utilizing maximum bandwidth of devices.
I wouldn't have said that if ryzen motherboards had northbridge/pcie switch, not all devices require pcie gen 4, but I can't plug 6 x16 pcie cards if motherboard only has one actual x16 slot.
One of the primary advantages of using a Server Grade CPU over the Consumer Grade, is Multi-Tasking. Almost every Xeon will outperform its rival counterpart. The main tradeoff is lower overall IPC performance, typically 3 to 3.5GHz vs 4.2 or more. The Multiple Cores won't help in Gaming but if you add Streaming and Voice Chat while Gaming Xeons handle that with ease because of the many cores. Take your typical 4 core 8 thread and start subtracting 4 for gaming, 8 for Streaming, 2 for Voice Chat plus anything else you may be doing and 8 Threads just won't cut it most times.
now here's a good deal; xeon x3450, and it's overclockable :D
OREOwillEATyou now it costs only 10$
It's super cheap haha
so the best use of a server cpu in being able to render a video in the background and open a song on RUclips while gaming ????
rabe3 alsett yeah buddy this man knows whats up
Dtr146 i think its good for me .....i dont do heavy gaming i cool with 50 to 60 fps ......so with this cpu its cool to do multiple thing at the same time
rabe3 alsett dude I render with Sony Vegas and play doom at the same time its awesome
Dtr146 wow
Ryzen is the best choice if that's what you want to do. Better upgrade path and better single core performance as well as having as many cores to work with compared to server grade Cpu's in the same price range. The best use for a server Cpu is running a server.
Ryzen 5 1600 6 core 12 thread (200€) would be good for that, and Ryzen 7 1700 8 core 16 thread (300€) would be excellent for that, if you're rich then Ryzen threadripper 1950x 16 core 32 thread (900€) or Intel i9 7980x 18 core 36 thread (2100€) would be the best at that.
Intels 8700k would also do a good job at that but it's much more expensive (400€ atm), and whether it's better or worse than ryzen 7 at rendering depends on what software you're using.
That's not to say a server grade cpu won't do that well, just that there are better options available.
Depends really if you go for low budget server cpu make a difference and ECC ram is really cheap
5 years old but even more relevant today. The most glaring advantage to using Xeon processors today in older 1155 sockets is the Xeon counterparts are way cheaper to buy then the equivalent i7 if you don't mind maybe flashing an updated bios. And if your on a budget and looking to move past say 1155, buying one of those X99 2011-3 combos from Huananzhi on Ali Express will net you a great price to performance increase while not having to spend $300 or more for a new cpu, motherboard, and ram. As long as you are ok with not having an upgrade path like me. Just my opinion of course.
Serious question which server CPUs can I overclock
I can vouch for reliablity on Xeons. Mine can run at 4GHz stable, although I run it at 3.8 with a lower voltage for temperature.
Use an expensive xeon. Yknow, a 26 core ocd to 4 ghz? Great idea
should i upgrade from i5 3340 to i7 or xeon e3 1240 v2 with rx 470 ?
If the motherboard supports it, go with the Xeon. Even better if you can find the 1290 V2 at a good price. I myself am using a 1270 V2.
@@HarmonyEdge i got 10400f now lol and rx 6600 thank for comment haa
So it basically only reduces power consumption?
One tip, if you run Xeon turn off power saving in the bios. I run a set e5-2699v4. These days games support multiple cores.
What case was that? I love the effect on the front.
in win 805 infinity
4:04
"...and ofCORES if you...."
*laugh in ryzen 16 cores 32 thread.*
i wish i was you man :(
Noob i have a 64core epyc
Not my gamingrig that one has a 3950x on an aqua mobo
@@handle_unknown damn i am more jealous than i have typed this reply
Habib Rozale Doesn’t matter, the human eye can only see i7 4770k
please make a video explaining
The Difference Between Total Available Graphics, Dedicated and Shared System Memory
No beard Linus really just sounds like angry Bob The Tomato.
I was loving my thermal electric cooled Opteron 144 :D that thing was great and overclocked like a beast at sub zero temps ;) also thanks for all the videos i watch them pretty much every day!
"Puny i5s". That hurt.
google clearly spying on me, i just bought x3440 and this vid shown up in recommendation
You are seriously actually right, I'm not kidding.
Its not spying cause you agreed to there t and c when you signed in / up.
They sell your personal info but you get RUclips for free.
Loved this, but my two cents: Maybe turn the volume down on the hand/arm gestures a bit
same question for cpu's but instead of gaming on them let the scenario be hosting game severs how would they compare then
People seeing this video with aliexpress lga2011 xeons in 2020: xD
Going to buy a hp dl360 g7 server with 2 x5650 cpu and with 64gb for 220€ and a friend sells me a 1050 ti for 35€, hoping I get a stable 60fps on most games, coming from a 2 core i5 3210m and a gt630m, it's going to be a night and day.
Maybe going to change to 2 x5690 6 cores 3.5ghz and 130w each
@@almaefogo 35€ what a deal
@@romandelasalle I asked him, 35€ for 1050ti, not believing it, as soon as he said yes my jaw dropped, here in Portugal there's people selling them for 140€ or more used
@@almaefogo I know
I have a computer with 2 Intel Xeon Processors. VMWare works SO much better than any PC I have. As for games: My laptop with Intel 5000 graphics runs games better, but that's because I'm rocking a GeForce 8400GS in that thing.
THEREDCAP: World's Crappiest RUclipsr I have a geforce 8400gs too its passive cooled worse than intel hd graphics
I run a Xeon x5650 overclocked to 3.9 ghz and I get 4770k performance. Xeon processors are great for gaming but the reason people put Xeon processors in their rigs is because of the multi-threaded performance that Xeon have. this is where their advantage over the consumer class stuff is. I do a lot of video encoding xeons are great for video encoding. But xeons are great for any multi-threaded task because my Xeon is of 6 core 12 threads.12 threads is better than eight threads on an i7 hands down every single time. And not to mention games that can scale across all threads will perform way better on xeons then the i7.
Same, got a X5670 @4.6Ghz, almost all the games I play scale pretty nicely across all the cores at least, even if they don't all use hyperthreading as well. Games like GTA V work beautifully with it.
Dtr146 haha that 5650 is the old version of a 8700k... lol Are you gonna buy the 8700k 2.0?
z Captain nope 2.0 is for conformists
Would a server CPU make a difference for physics-intense games such as Besiege and Stormworks?
Nice video. Especially that you mention virtual machine. The only downside to synergy is you can use a KVM switch and you're fine without having to do anything more than physical configuration. Also remote desktop comes default if you set up a manual VPN. And again you'd have to know how safe everything is on a cloud you don't know any of the employees.
I already game on a Xeon E5-1620 V2 with a 1080 Ti.
E5-2618L-V3 with a 1070 here
Nice, custom chassis or proprietary workstation?
Parbhdeep Singh AsRock Taichi in an old Antec 900 case
I think those Xeon E5-1600s are unlocked. If you have a X79 board just get an AIO and overclock the living daylights out of it.
Lol I'm here with a actual server (2xXeon E5405)
lol I'm here with 2 actual severs (2 E5-2670's (v1) + 128GB RAM in one system and annother system with 2 E5-2697's (v2) + 64GB RAM)
Hello, people were looking strange at me at Toms Hardware when i told them that i Would do a Server PC. I want to know if it is true what they said:
-Gaming with Dual CPU does not work 'good'
-Ecc Ram is so slow
-It would be better to build a normal System(even though it is more expensive)
-My RX580 Would not work with my Motherboard, because My MoBo does have BIOS and not UEFI
I have the feeling that people do not like Server PCs/are jealous/do not know anything about it
Hugo D Boi, you dumb
xx_sᴡᴀɢ_ᴏᴠᴇʀʟᴏʀᴅ_xx What.? Why 😂?
Hugo D dont you understand how pcs work?
1:31
"BOOP!"
I have a question how many games can you run on a pc at the same time and how can we play all of them at the same time ?
A bit surprised two things weren't mentioned in the video:
- I don't think you generally can switch to a Xeon processor just by putting it in your existing motherboard because of the chipset, but you can find cheap server/workstation mobos
- What about people who want the max out of their multi gpu system? Conventional desktop cpus often support no more than 24 PCI Express lanes, if not 16. Even the highest Intel CPUs have been downgraded in that regard. Xeons on the other hand routinely have 40 or more lanes. It's also important in the era of PCI Express SSDs that will occupy some of the 16 lanes of your i7
But what if my CPU is at 100% constantly in windows 10?
Then you have malware or a really old CPU.
Open task manager and see what uses the cpu, if you cant see it there it is malware
Your pc is cryptojacked
Hackers using your Pc strength for cryptomining
T-REX Gaming possible
Ecc memory is actually cheaper than regular dimms, linus
It also doesn't require them to run. Regular memory works just fine.
I know this is old, but it depends on what type of ECC memory you use, UDIMM can still be quite expensive (it's a little bit cheaper than regular memory), RDIMM is quite cheap, LRDIMM can have even more memory per module, but these can be even more expensive.
You don't necessarily need RAM with Error Correcting Code though, it is safer/necessary though if you use it as a server with some software RAID and you don't want Any corruption in the filesystem.
I recommend just gaming on a desktop CPU though, Ryzen is a good choice, since it's much easier to get pretty good single core performance (along with multi core nowdays), were server CPU's are more focused on multi core performance and excellent reliability.
"No overclock"
X85: am I a joke to you
X58
@@GP-qb9hi Here!
Thanks for the video. I wound up with a server with a Xeon E5-2680 V4 and was super excited for Tetradeca-core goodness. But you’re right. The base clock wasn’t as great as my i7-9750. But I did notice that while streaming through OBS it seemed way better.
The only good part over a regular CPU is that old server and workstation systems can be had for decent prices. Something like an old dell precision can be had for under 200 and can even run some pretty decent stuff.