The speed china achieves her goals is amazing! They bought Su-27 in the early 90s, then had own version of it in the 2000s whilst inteoducing J-10, fololowd by J-20 had the test flight in 2010, now, just a month after showing off J-35, another two 6-gen flighters! Who else can do this at this speed of achievement???
You're wrong, this is the U.S. 6th-generation fighter NGAD advancing into Chengdu and Shenyang, China. Didn't you see the dual-seat J-20 still chasing from behind? South Korea, India, and the U.S. are still great.👍👍
Actually China employed truck load of Russian engineers, Ukraine engineers back in the 90s, those engineers were fresh from the communist economy... And they like the quick monies offered. Some settled down after getting engaged with the locals....... Life is good then....
I think the forward deployed drones will be real game changer. The larger J xx will act as mother ship for multiple drones that protects it. The reason it's so big because it can house complex system and an additional pilot to control these drones.
@sabrinadio Need to know completely, which kind of engines are used, what is the payload capacity, empty and weapons load and what kind of materials used to construct this aircraft, because it will play a key role in combat. I dont think even if you copied the models, without engines and materials, this aircraft will expose in combat
Sorry, China is already ahead of the United States in the field of drones. First it was the GJ-11 stealth attack drone, then the WZ-8 WZ-9 and the newly exposed MD-22 hypersonic wide-area aircraft.
Someone has reposted your video on Chinese social media, which is quite impressive. You have articulated the most crucial issue here, China's strategic objective, around which all technical details are essentially built. Whether the current aircraft can meet the target or how far it can achieve in the future will not affect the goal itself, which makes the analysis path clear and not trapped in trivial sophistry.
@@Leo_nd Do you think you get to question what the communist propaganda machine lead you to believe? Do you believe Xi jing ping can be taken as face value when he is got a face that closely resembles Winnie the Pooh? I am barely asking a very reasonable question since China is undefeated in zero conflicts in the past 50 years? 😀
Our military industrial complex is so large and corrupt now that new weapons development, especially jet fighters, gets hopelessly drawn out and cost prohibitive. China is lean and mean by comparison - they've got bullet trains (US = none), ultra modern cities that pop up overnight and now working prototypes of 6th gen fighter / fighter bombers while we're still on the drawing boards with next gen and even our substandard F-35 getting too expensive to produce. And nobody can say China just copied and pasted our designs to make this new plane, which is how so many people dismiss Chinese manufacturing and technological capabilities, which are truly formidable and should be respected. But no, typical American response to this will be to hurl pejoratives at crap chi quality of the things they're producing, all the while conveniently forgetting that just about every electronic item you use each day is made in China.
All electronic things produced in China are produced by Western companies in China, not Chinese ones. No need to say that if it is made in China, then it is Chinese. Concerning this fighter: There are a number of questions about the engines, which the Chinese are not able to make. About the weight of the aircraft and its structural strength. It looks more like a tactical bomber than a fighter.
Dismissal of the capabilities of non white countries is how the US got surprised in the beginning of WW2 by the Japanese Zero fighter and similarly how the germans were surprised by the Russian T34. Neither thought their adversary was capable and paid for their ignorance.
@@VARIANT192 China has its own engines, and both J20s and J35 use their own engines. Perhaps China's engine is not as good as the United States, but there will not be a big gap, if China does not have its own advanced engine, then what is the need to develop the sixth generation fighter?
It didn't take F-22 that much effor since it was the only aircraft that can go high altitude or more than 65000+ altitude. In a clean configuration, the F-22 can hit mach 3+/
This is increadible good chennel I cant believe to be honest. I enjoy every video. No BS just on spot. No western propaganda or Russian one. Hope you will get much more folowers. You deserve it.
After watching this video, an engineer at the Castle Gate Power Station in Utah began to conceive a science fiction novel with great unease. Slowly, he typed out the title of the novel on his computer: "Full Spectrum Barrage Jamming". 😂😂😂😂😂
Goodbye and farewell to western comparison. Its fool errand to think that China still need western technology standards, patents and designs. Particularly for advance tech such as chips, aerospace, weapons, 5G, EVs, quantum communication, mining, manufacturing tech .... the lists go on. Even for open vintage western tech which the Chinese redesigned and strived great innovations from them.
giving you guys a hint. In China it only takes group of 30-40 people able to produce big stealth drone from scratch to production within 3 years. That involved all the software, hardware, radar, subsystems stealth, navigation, onboard avionics and electronics sensors and bombing capabilities This is just the new CH-7 which was shown in the recent zhuhai. This is also very similar to the dark sword project which was only run by 30 people back in the early 2000-2010 period. Imagine in China it only takes 30 people minimal to produce something that good, and they are on shoestrimg budget. Murica can't even produce final direction on the 6th gen for over 40 years after the f-22 and with so many people and budget over few hundred billions
This 6th Gen Chinese fighter jet is just a prototype and has not been adopted and put into the service of PLA Air Force, hence not as yet designated as J36. The 3rd engine is a ramjet, capable of propelling the aircraft to propel doubling the current J35 Mach 1.8 to fly high (to the edge of space 40,000 to 100,000 ft) and fast to exceed 2000 mph. At that great speed, and if proven maneuverability towards combat, the G-forces and stress will be tremendously great for even supersonic pilots. But it sure puts US-made F35 flying at Mac 1.6 to bite the dust. If and when put into service of the PLA Air Force at a central location in say Sichuan or Xinjiang, all target locations in the on the first island chain in the western Pacific encircling China’s first line of defence are within easy reach in an hour or less.
just a prototype? The one in video carries the number 36011. This is the 11th prototype. J20 last prototype before production was 20011. This plane, J36, most likely is already in service. Hence the PLA does not mind showing it off.
@@sasa-tg4od the Chinese are not conservative. They are mindfully conscientious in their engagements. Some 500~600 years well, in the time of Confucius, before the birth of Jesus, they already have the Golden Rule of Conduct and Engagement, summed up in one word: Respect!
Hypersonic cruise, transcendent pressurized engine, further stealth function, near space (space) flight and combat capabilities, speed more than seven times the speed of sound
Then why are they still so dominant? Why is China still so enclosed within their own territory and the USA flies freely everywhere? Why can't China capture Taiwan, which is in their own backyard? Until China actually makes a significant move, the "Globe Pirates" will continue to reign.
Both aircrafts are real, but neither are made in China. The aircraft thought to be produced by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation came from South Korea, which is relatively close to Northeast China; while the aircraft thought to be produced by China Chengdu Aircraft Corporation came from Manipur, India, and flew over the Himalayas and Tibet to reach Chengdu. So you can see that China sent out J-16 and J-20s to track them, but they failed to catch up.
The MD-xx tested out several things, one of which was ramjet/scramjet configurations - they seem to be working on hybrids, which would very well get tested as the center engine here (one would assume). At Zhuhai airshow, they showed engines of various sizes and so they are able to scale up or down designs and adapt them to specific uses.
There is another possibility … instead of the middle engine being used for high altitude supercruise, it could be a high bypass engine with excellent efficiency. In this case, the 2 outer engines would not be used during the long uneventful part of the flight, and instead use the efficient high bypass engine in order to greatly extend the range.
At high altitudes and speeds, bypass becomes inefficient So it would only make sense if J-36 was to fly at subsonic speeds to achieve very long range. But that's not what its aerodynamics indicate
@@DeepDiveDefense agreed. If China has succeeded in engine technology to efficiently supercruise then the advantage is huge. One thought for reaching exceptional high altitude high speed performance is if they pipe supplemental LOX into the middle engine’s combustion chamber while absorbing excess heat from the hot engine components on the way. Although probably not good for 1000 km, it could give Mach 3 at 70,000+ feet for the final 100 km climb and dash to weapon launch point. The aerodynamics of this new aircraft look perfect for such a design approach. However if the technology is not there yet, then the alternative is a high bypass engine running at commercial airline air speed and moderate altitude (night missions). Then go supersonic at high altitude with the 2 low bypass engines for the final dash. The 3rd possibility is 3 nearly identical engines that together achieve supercruise. The aerodynamic drag is most driven by frontal cross section surface area size with the angle of attack when in straight flight. Comparing the drag to the J20 drag would allow a good estimate whether it can supercruise.
Only flying high speed and high altitude can guarantee a large combat radius against time critical targets. Thus the aircraft always needs to climb up to a high altitude for cruising and the engines primarily for climbing up from the low altitude, thick air should have the greatest bypass ratio for maximum efficiency and also need to work under high AoA (Angle of Attack). All of those combined together, only those 2 side engines are usable for that situation and the only logical solution for such a purpose is employing turbo-fan engines with under-wing intakes. Meanwhile the engine working with the dorsal intake should be excluded for climbing-up as the intake position limits its performance under high AoA. So the dorsal intake with its corresponding engine should mostly work for high altitude cruising, where there will be significant thrust drop for those other 2 turbo-fan engines as the air is much thinner. As such a subsonic combusting ramjet is the most logical choice and China does have such large ramjet engines such as the one we have seen on their DF-100 high-altitude, high-supersonic cruise missile. So the key point here is the high AoA limitation to the dorsal intake.
Your analysis makes sense but I would add a key mission … launching antiship missiles carried internally. The antiship role may be more important than the air superiority role. And even a small warhead can do serious damage if it can target & hit vulnerable points on the ship.
@@DeepDiveDefense secondary or Primary capability may depend on the particular scenario. But I expect enough to be built to do both roles. China desires multiple overlapping means to defeat surface ships. The H-6 can carry a huge antiship missile or 6 antiship cruise missiles but the H6 is vulnerable (easy to detect, easy to hit with a missile, unable to survive by running away from fighter aircraft). China will want to use this low observable platform to compliment the H6’s antiship role.
The issue is that you can't get heavy warhead supersonic and long range AshM into the J-36. So anti-shipping is not its primary role but one of less importance
You forgot to mention the electrical power management that the aircraft is gonna enjoy, and we all know how advanced China in electrical engineering and battery tech.
This a really analytical video rather than emotional biases. You should have more followers. By the way, 6th gen might be a whole system which includes the fighter in this video.
There were 2 new planes featured recently. One probably more a fighter and other more a bomber. But they're probably both, so both may undergo many iterations in the future. Remember when J-20 and J-31 (now 35) were both shown years ago and they both seem to have made it to production.
it can be a multirole fighter.... if it can carry PL17/20 with such high altitude and speed, those missiles can have a range of 500+km so it can snipe anything without being fired upon..... and glide bombs can turn into cruise missiles with such long glide path.. with Harpoon it has 500lb warhead but glide bombs have much heavier payload.....
very true, per year they can have from 5-8 million graduates, some years easily produce over 2 million engineers of various fields, but on average is about 800 thousand to more than a million per year. it only takes 30 engineers to produce a stealth drone over 3 years from scratch to initial production
Surprisingly good content. One thing i want to add is that F-22 is vulnerable from above, with those large trapezoid v-tails, which the Koreans brainlessly copied
China can produce warships so fast and quick, Jet sizes are smaller than that of war ships if required China can produce those jets, even one or two hundred jets per yr without much problem.
I’m fairly certain the designer’s inspiration came from their afternoon tea habit-pizza 🍕. Since the “Friends” gang famously adored pizza, it makes sense that this fighter jet symbolizes harmony and affection.
The higher and faster it flies, the less likely it is to be shot down. If it is a sixth-generation aircraft, does this plane still have super maneuverability?
best analysis on j36. first stage, ws 10 engine to get early deployment. 2nd stage, ws 15 3rd stage, central engine will be ramjet or detonation. in this case, could be much faster and higher.
I wonder about the light weight statement looking at those robust looking landing gear...wonder if she's more a bomber/ missile truck? Either way it's cool to see something new and different.
22 - F119-PW-100 weighs 1800kg 156 kN - ttw ratio 8.8 35 - F135-PW-100/400 weighs between 1,701 to 2910 kg and produces 191 kN - ttw ratio 6.7 to 11.5 j20 - WS-15 weighs 1600 kg and produces 182 kN - ttw ratio 11.6 su57-AL-51F-1 weighs 1450 kg and produces 167 kN - ttw ratio 11.8 Chy na is far beyond "2000 to 2010" era
@@DeepDiveDefense WS-15 thrust reported by media in Chy na and the USA. Reality is the engines with the highest thrust to weight ratio in production planes right now is Rush ar 11.8, Chy na 11.6 and third is the yoo essay 11.5.
@@DeepDiveDefense ws 15 enggine have approximately at 18-20 ton per engine thrust , which mean j20 would have 37 to 40 thrust enggine at afterburner ... we can just assume that 6g jet china will have tonnase at 30 or 50 depent on how much payload , everything i wrote is just my imagination calculated but the thrust enggine is true
The US have developed their own 6th generation aircraft and flew it in 2020 before this Chinese glo-up ever took to the sky. The problem for the US Airforce is that it would cost 300 million dollars for each of the aircraft if they put it in production.
The NGAD project was officially announced as suspended this year, it is clear that the project has encountered problems. What we should do is to remain vigilant, not to underestimate it.
The J-36s leading swarms of ultra-long range stealthy CCA interceptor drones over the 2nd Island chain can hunt and shoot down cargo planes, such as C-130 or C-17 aircraft, temporarily repurposed under the Rapid Dragon program as standoff bombers capable of mass launching any variant of long or short range AGM-158 JASSM cruise missiles against land or naval targets. This could neutralize the USA's Rapid Dragon program by extending the air-sea battle thousands of kilometers out over the western Pacific away from the Chinese coastline. The J-36s with CCA drones could play a ultra-long range, high-speed sniper fighter interceptor role that Lockheed P-38 Lightning played during WWII over vast oceanic distances.
7:40 this thing isn't gonna dog fight it isn't built for that especially with the middle engine top intake this will be blocking visibility of the pilot for his 6. This thing is built for hunting carrier battle groups in the pacific & it is built for mainly PVR once enemy fighters gets within VR they will run and leave the area with their powerful engines. Something like how Mig-31 are designed to be used.
Its designed to have a emergency capability to fight WVR engagements. Beside being sufficiently agile, off-boresight AAMs and virtual-360° digital helmet mounted displays are great improvements here
This J36 will normally cruise over altitude 25km and hunt down enemy aircraft flying underneath. Regarding that kind of altitude, it is very hard for a F-22 to shoot an AAM at it even when assuming J-36's stealth is not working, as proved by F-22's past struggling against a balloon flying only 18km. It is also a big challenge to normal SAMs as, unlike SR-71 or Mig-25, the J36 could pull supersonic manoeuvre highly likely up to 6G if it has the same spec as that of MD-22 hypersonic aircraft they revealed in Airshow Zhuhai. So the J-36 is quite probably immune to most of those modern AAMs (due to limitation of carrying platforms) and SAMs. The only way to counter such an aircraft is that you have one with similar specs.
you see advanced weapon development is not entirely budget depedent, its more talent dependent. of course money counts, but money alone is not enough, its synergy of talents and moral superiority.
It was not totally unknown. I saw it in a video back in 2021. The video was an introduction to something else, and the flight appeared briefly in a photo. People guessed that it was a new drone.
This j36 may not target US satellites or f22/35, it might shoot antiship/hypersonic missiles to Guam or carriers outside 2nd island chain, if these huge missiles could fit into j36’s large weapon space. 5th gen is an easy process, f22 came out and everybody followed. While 6th gen might a journey with different focus, j36 comes first, then different approaches. I think 6th gen time won’t begin soon, eather us or prc will make a lot of segment weapons.
the controversy over double-H -- high altitude & hypersonic cruising -- has been going on for decades. but for the parallel engagement over the pacific ocean, double-H is the one true core strength. u just cant apply the schemes used against 2or3-tier countries here.
because it is a different class, sixth gen is a platform which incorporates various smaller systems to form a battle centric platform. It is all about bvr, high speed, having longer range radar and flying at higher altitude, and have advance sensors and avionics and able to communicate and control wingmen with pilot or just pure AI
I think being able to make a triangular leaf airplane is a progress for humanity. A triangular leaf airplane can't be made by any country, can it? Of course, this statement is invalid for India and South Korea.
I don't think, any design change can be called generation change these days without changing Fixed Wings to Movable Wings that can wave & tilt, up & down like birds.
You are more professional than any other westerner military I’ve seen so far. Keep up the good work
Sure Jin Bot, he's obviously your buddy in the cubicle next to you.
@cylentone At least they are much much better than you!!
Coping is hard 🥱 😭 😭 @cylentone
Looks like a lot of people are still in the first stage of grief - denial
It is really taken me by surprise initially
The speed china achieves her goals is amazing! They bought Su-27 in the early 90s, then had own version of it in the 2000s whilst inteoducing J-10, fololowd by J-20 had the test flight in 2010, now, just a month after showing off J-35, another two 6-gen flighters! Who else can do this at this speed of achievement???
Well if you want to know , The US Air Force secretly designed, built, and flew a new fighter jet - in just one year
@@privatedata665哦，纸上谈兵吗
@@privatedata665 no longer do this way, they expend most money on $1200 coffee cups and no money left
You're wrong, this is the U.S. 6th-generation fighter NGAD advancing into Chengdu and Shenyang, China. Didn't you see the dual-seat J-20 still chasing from behind? South Korea, India, and the U.S. are still great.👍👍
Actually China employed truck load of Russian engineers, Ukraine engineers back in the 90s, those engineers were fresh from the communist economy... And they like the quick monies offered. Some settled down after getting engaged with the locals....... Life is good then....
If Chinese decides to show you something, it means they already have something else more advanced.
You are just imitating the USA.
how do you figure that?
@@Snagz777that is Chinese tradition. Every Chinese knows that.
@@Snagz777Based on their weapons development history.
你洩漏了中國國家機密……
Hey, bro! The latest threat to the United States is Chinese garlic, with Chinese electric vehicles coming in second
don't forget the secret missile silos in fujian
Don't forget the 150ft wide weather balloon moving at 30 miles per hour
Don't forget huawei.
That proved that the US is run by vampires.
Blood sucking vampires are afraid of garlic.
After watching several channels of analysis, you are the most professional and objective I have ever seen.
Thanks
This is the best videos on the J-XX so far. The narration is superb.
Thanks!
@@DeepDiveDefense Keep up the good work, mate. You are very knowledgeable. I wonder what is your nationality.
Sure Jin Bot, he's obviously your buddy in the cubicle next to you.
@@michaelngan99 iranian
The English discussion in the comments section is becoming more and more like that of Korean and Indian friends
Don't include us 🇮🇳, 😂
這正是中國希望的！但最好是美國、日本、歐洲都加入這種思考模式，中國就達成目標。
当它们意识到自己无力追赶时，它们只能一边自欺欺人，一边无能狂怒！
Ahhh😂 you don't likeee??
US people getting more and more nervouse, envy and incapable now just like toilets, soith korea today
I think the forward deployed drones will be real game changer. The larger J xx will act as mother ship for multiple drones that protects it. The reason it's so big because it can house complex system and an additional pilot to control these drones.
Certainly
戰轟機J-7的後續機，不是無人！（J-20 B已經接近完成，這才是帶著3架無人機的5.5代戰機）
Size for engine plus range driven fuel and arms bay. Nothing else))
@sabrinadio Need to know completely, which kind of engines are used, what is the payload capacity, empty and weapons load and what kind of materials used to construct this aircraft, because it will play a key role in combat. I dont think even if you copied the models, without engines and materials, this aircraft will expose in combat
Sorry, China is already ahead of the United States in the field of drones. First it was the GJ-11 stealth attack drone, then the WZ-8 WZ-9 and the newly exposed MD-22 hypersonic wide-area aircraft.
Best analytic video so far.
Someone has reposted your video on Chinese social media, which is quite impressive. You have articulated the most crucial issue here, China's strategic objective, around which all technical details are essentially built. Whether the current aircraft can meet the target or how far it can achieve in the future will not affect the goal itself, which makes the analysis path clear and not trapped in trivial sophistry.
Thanks, the video has some China bias but no reason not to have, since they delivered in most cases
now its America's turn to copy.
There's no need.
@@Meroknight so much confidence
@@jeorge1153 Yup
And to Cope 😂
See? Already Copium 😅@@Meroknight
Great content as always. Keep up the good work.
professional！
China also launched LHD type 076 Sichuan,first LHD in the world equip with EMALS. Good job.
sichuan hopot
The most professional and comprehensive analysis I have seen so far.
Thanks!
Rule number 1: Don't poke the Dragon
Rule number 2: Don't poke the Bear
Rule number 3: Never forget rule 1 and 2
How do you know if it works in a real combat?
@@Leo_nd How do you know if any made in China junk will work in a real combat? 😁
@@Leo_nd Do you think you get to question what the communist propaganda machine lead you to believe? Do you believe Xi jing ping can be taken as face value when he is got a face that closely resembles Winnie the Pooh? I am barely asking a very reasonable question since China is undefeated in zero conflicts in the past 50 years? 😀
little pinks blocking my replay. No class just like CCP.
@@Leo_ndamerica is nothing in front of china
Very insightful narration. 👍
We got 6th Generation fighter jets before GTA 6 💀
謝謝！
Pleasure
Very informative, thank you for making this video!
別擔心......這只是會飛的"大蒜"！！！🤣🤣🤣
那更不得了了
非常专业的解读👍是目前看到的最好最的
Our military industrial complex is so large and corrupt now that new weapons development, especially jet fighters, gets hopelessly drawn out and cost prohibitive. China is lean and mean by comparison - they've got bullet trains (US = none), ultra modern cities that pop up overnight and now working prototypes of 6th gen fighter / fighter bombers while we're still on the drawing boards with next gen and even our substandard F-35 getting too expensive to produce. And nobody can say China just copied and pasted our designs to make this new plane, which is how so many people dismiss Chinese manufacturing and technological capabilities, which are truly formidable and should be respected. But no, typical American response to this will be to hurl pejoratives at crap chi quality of the things they're producing, all the while conveniently forgetting that just about every electronic item you use each day is made in China.
All electronic things produced in China are produced by Western companies in China, not Chinese ones. No need to say that if it is made in China, then it is Chinese.
Concerning this fighter: There are a number of questions about the engines, which the Chinese are not able to make. About the weight of the aircraft and its structural strength. It looks more like a tactical bomber than a fighter.
@@VARIANT192 Your information is still stuck in 20 years ago, please check the current data
Dismissal of the capabilities of non white countries is how the US got surprised in the beginning of WW2 by the Japanese Zero fighter and similarly how the germans were surprised by the Russian T34. Neither thought their adversary was capable and paid for their ignorance.
@@VARIANT192 China has its own engines, and both J20s and J35 use their own engines. Perhaps China's engine is not as good as the United States, but there will not be a big gap, if China does not have its own advanced engine, then what is the need to develop the sixth generation fighter?
@@VARIANT192 Is BYD your Western company? Is DJI UAV your Western company?
High speed high altitude low detectability is nightmare. Think about how much effort it takes f22 to shot down a balloon.
It didn't take F-22 that much effor since it was the only aircraft that can go high altitude or more than 65000+ altitude. In a clean configuration, the F-22 can hit mach 3+/
@@NationChosenByGod Well.. it was an easily USD 2 million mission for the F22, to shoot down a USD 20,000 balloon.
F22基本上可以淘汰了！在面對現在的新型雷達，它老舊的控制已經被牽制、超越！如果它如各位軍事專家推崇為最優秀？那就沒有任何藉口拆掉生產線，停止生產！
高空、高速、低可探测、大航程、大载弹量，具有网络作战指挥能力可能就是下一代战机的标准
@@NationChosenByGodf22 is toy compared to this advance 6gen fighter jet
Great video. Very knowledgeable
This is increadible good chennel I cant believe to be honest. I enjoy every video. No BS just on spot. No western propaganda or Russian one. Hope you will get much more folowers. You deserve it.
Thanks
After watching this video, an engineer at the Castle Gate Power Station in Utah began to conceive a science fiction novel with great unease. Slowly, he typed out the title of the novel on his computer: "Full Spectrum Barrage Jamming". 😂😂😂😂😂
只有中国的科幻粉才明白你在说什么😅
I wouldn’t take what you said word for word, but it’s so far the most detailed and plausible analysis of the new Chinese fighter jet I’ve watched.
WOW very in depth information ; amazing channel
Thanks!
這是到目前為止分析中國六代戰鬥機最好的視頻。
Goodbye and farewell to western comparison. Its fool errand to think that China still need western technology standards, patents and designs. Particularly for advance tech such as chips, aerospace, weapons, 5G, EVs, quantum communication, mining, manufacturing tech .... the lists go on. Even for open vintage western tech which the Chinese redesigned and strived great innovations from them.
Thanks for clearly explaining the features of the special designs of this sixth gen fighter jet. It makes total sense to me now.
Pleasure
giving you guys a hint. In China it only takes group of 30-40 people able to produce big stealth drone from scratch to production within 3 years. That involved all the software, hardware, radar, subsystems stealth, navigation, onboard avionics and electronics sensors and bombing capabilities This is just the new CH-7 which was shown in the recent zhuhai. This is also very similar to the dark sword project which was only run by 30 people back in the early 2000-2010 period. Imagine in China it only takes 30 people minimal to produce something that good, and they are on shoestrimg budget. Murica can't even produce final direction on the 6th gen for over 40 years after the f-22 and with so many people and budget over few hundred billions
Great Video! Makes much more sense now
This 6th Gen Chinese fighter jet is just a prototype and has not been adopted and put into the service of PLA Air Force, hence not as yet designated as J36. The 3rd engine is a ramjet, capable of propelling the aircraft to propel doubling the current J35 Mach 1.8 to fly high (to the edge of space 40,000 to 100,000 ft) and fast to exceed 2000 mph. At that great speed, and if proven maneuverability towards combat, the G-forces and stress will be tremendously great for even supersonic pilots. But it sure puts US-made F35 flying at Mac 1.6 to bite the dust. If and when put into service of the PLA Air Force at a central location in say Sichuan or Xinjiang, all target locations in the on the first island chain in the western Pacific encircling China’s first line of defence are within easy reach in an hour or less.
just a prototype? The one in video carries the number 36011. This is the 11th prototype. J20 last prototype before production was 20011. This plane, J36, most likely is already in service. Hence the PLA does not mind showing it off.
The Chinese are more conservative.
@@sasa-tg4od the Chinese are not conservative. They are mindfully conscientious in their engagements. Some 500~600 years well, in the time of Confucius, before the birth of Jesus, they already have the Golden Rule of Conduct and Engagement, summed up in one word: Respect!
Hypersonic cruise, transcendent pressurized engine, further stealth function, near space (space) flight and combat capabilities, speed more than seven times the speed of sound
Well explained.
My God we've truly come a long way......we have flying triangles😮
Indeed, the next generation.
@@DeepDiveDefense Flying Christmas tree! Merry Christmas! Said China.
Diamonds
The career of the American Globe Pirates is officially over
Then why are they still so dominant? Why is China still so enclosed within their own territory and the USA flies freely everywhere? Why can't China capture Taiwan, which is in their own backyard? Until China actually makes a significant move, the "Globe Pirates" will continue to reign.
@@Diddykong8775 哦？你看不到胡塞武装组织在打美国的海军么？如果在二十年前，美国绝对会全面入侵也门，但是今天，任何国家都在打美国的基地和舰船，神，一旦被打，那么神的光环就已经不在了。主导地位？是罗马公司那两百多架F35半成品因为没有氮化镓雷达无法交付，在空地上晒太阳，还是国际空间站两个无家可归的宇航员？也许是波音公司一年四百多起飞机故障，机舱门飞出去，螺栓丢失？哈哈哈，太多太多了，也许联合健保的CEO可以告诉你答案，前提是你不在那32%的拒绝赔偿名单里面。
Top quality content.
Both aircrafts are real, but neither are made in China. The aircraft thought to be produced by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation came from South Korea, which is relatively close to Northeast China; while the aircraft thought to be produced by China Chengdu Aircraft Corporation came from Manipur, India, and flew over the Himalayas and Tibet to reach Chengdu. So you can see that China sent out J-16 and J-20s to track them, but they failed to catch up.
You should try Bollywood about your story. Only indiots will believe this fantasy.
@@jameslum8822 Honestly, that's an insult to idiots.
center Ramjet would have made sense, intake is so narrow, resembles a ramjet intake.
The MD-xx tested out several things, one of which was ramjet/scramjet configurations - they seem to be working on hybrids, which would very well get tested as the center engine here (one would assume). At Zhuhai airshow, they showed engines of various sizes and so they are able to scale up or down designs and adapt them to specific uses.
目前看到最专业的解读，很详细，视频制作也很棒👍
很有意思的一個視頻，從簡單的機型介紹到戰術目標以及能影響到的戰略目標，在youtube算是有點水平的。🤔
Nice analysis. Thanks
There is another possibility … instead of the middle engine being used for high altitude supercruise, it could be a high bypass engine with excellent efficiency. In this case, the 2 outer engines would not be used during the long uneventful part of the flight, and instead use the efficient high bypass engine in order to greatly extend the range.
At high altitudes and speeds, bypass becomes inefficient
So it would only make sense if J-36 was to fly at subsonic speeds to achieve very long range. But that's not what its aerodynamics indicate
@@DeepDiveDefense agreed. If China has succeeded in engine technology to efficiently supercruise then the advantage is huge. One thought for reaching exceptional high altitude high speed performance is if they pipe supplemental LOX into the middle engine’s combustion chamber while absorbing excess heat from the hot engine components on the way. Although probably not good for 1000 km, it could give Mach 3 at 70,000+ feet for the final 100 km climb and dash to weapon launch point. The aerodynamics of this new aircraft look perfect for such a design approach.
However if the technology is not there yet, then the alternative is a high bypass engine running at commercial airline air speed and moderate altitude (night missions). Then go supersonic at high altitude with the 2 low bypass engines for the final dash.
The 3rd possibility is 3 nearly identical engines that together achieve supercruise. The aerodynamic drag is most driven by frontal cross section surface area size with the angle of attack when in straight flight. Comparing the drag to the J20 drag would allow a good estimate whether it can supercruise.
Only flying high speed and high altitude can guarantee a large combat radius against time critical targets. Thus the aircraft always needs to climb up to a high altitude for cruising and the engines primarily for climbing up from the low altitude, thick air should have the greatest bypass ratio for maximum efficiency and also need to work under high AoA (Angle of Attack). All of those combined together, only those 2 side engines are usable for that situation and the only logical solution for such a purpose is employing turbo-fan engines with under-wing intakes.
Meanwhile the engine working with the dorsal intake should be excluded for climbing-up as the intake position limits its performance under high AoA. So the dorsal intake with its corresponding engine should mostly work for high altitude cruising, where there will be significant thrust drop for those other 2 turbo-fan engines as the air is much thinner. As such a subsonic combusting ramjet is the most logical choice and China does have such large ramjet engines such as the one we have seen on their DF-100 high-altitude, high-supersonic cruise missile.
So the key point here is the high AoA limitation to the dorsal intake.
Your analysis makes sense but I would add a key mission … launching antiship missiles carried internally. The antiship role may be more important than the air superiority role. And even a small warhead can do serious damage if it can target & hit vulnerable points on the ship.
Yes that's a secondary capability. China does not need to use air launched weapons for anti-shipping. It has weapons like DF-26/-27
@@DeepDiveDefense secondary or Primary capability may depend on the particular scenario. But I expect enough to be built to do both roles. China desires multiple overlapping means to defeat surface ships. The H-6 can carry a huge antiship missile or 6 antiship cruise missiles but the H6 is vulnerable (easy to detect, easy to hit with a missile, unable to survive by running away from fighter aircraft). China will want to use this low observable platform to compliment the H6’s antiship role.
The issue is that you can't get heavy warhead supersonic and long range AshM into the J-36. So anti-shipping is not its primary role but one of less importance
don't worry, these weapons are in the hand of a civilized nation. Unlike the others...
The best analyse of J-36 so far 👍
very professional！also NOT difficult to understand！
Now we need to know the radar and ECM suite and targeting system in J36
You forgot to mention the electrical power management that the aircraft is gonna enjoy, and we all know how advanced China in electrical engineering and battery tech.
This a really analytical video rather than emotional biases. You should have more followers.
By the way, 6th gen might be a whole system which includes the fighter in this video.
Thanks.
Channel is quite new, so I hope followers increase
what role do you think this might be for? Seems a heavy fighter/bomber to me with a really long range
It's a fighter bomber while the smaller 6th gen is a air supremacy fighter..china loves multi purpose fighter
There were 2 new planes featured recently. One probably more a fighter and other more a bomber. But they're probably both, so both may undergo many iterations in the future. Remember when J-20 and J-31 (now 35) were both shown years ago and they both seem to have made it to production.
This is a fighter jet but a part time bomber. US NGAD plane is just as large. The size is needed to carry fuel for the super long combat range
it can be a multirole fighter.... if it can carry PL17/20 with such high altitude and speed, those missiles can have a range of 500+km so it can snipe anything without being fired upon..... and glide bombs can turn into cruise missiles with such long glide path.. with Harpoon it has 500lb warhead but glide bombs have much heavier payload.....
Air dominance would be the best description
J-36: Hold my third engin.
The third one in the middle is the Supersonic Detonation Ramjet. This jet going to reach Mach 3 plus at least.
India's Mills ferociously printing white flags 😂
Oh oh don’t tell us this is another USA copycat, USA 6 th generation aircraft is still in their drawing boards.
let's talk about the video, 1st who took the video? 2nd where video was taken?
on 2nd point, the person took video in a desert, ambient sounds are abnormal
China definitely has many talented engineers
very true, per year they can have from 5-8 million graduates, some years easily produce over 2 million engineers of various fields, but on average is about 800 thousand to more than a million per year. it only takes 30 engineers to produce a stealth drone over 3 years from scratch to initial production
Surprisingly good content. One thing i want to add is that F-22 is vulnerable from above, with those large trapezoid v-tails, which the Koreans brainlessly copied
China is unmatchable and a real super power state...love China❤❤❤❤❤
China can produce warships so fast and quick, Jet sizes are smaller than that of war ships if required China can produce those jets, even one or two hundred jets per yr without much problem.
multiplying 20, at least.
I’m fairly certain the designer’s inspiration came from their afternoon tea habit-pizza 🍕. Since the “Friends” gang famously adored pizza, it makes sense that this fighter jet symbolizes harmony and affection.
hence the Pentagon pizza shops are getting extremely busy during the night of the reveal.
The higher and faster it flies, the less likely it is to be shot down. If it is a sixth-generation aircraft, does this plane still have super maneuverability?
Apparently 2D thrust vector control
best analysis on j36.
first stage, ws 10 engine to get early deployment.
2nd stage, ws 15
3rd stage, central engine will be ramjet or detonation. in this case, could be much faster and higher.
Now it's time for America to Cope.
Next, US will be copying....
The U.S is about to fly a UFO next air show
Promise?
Wonder how it stacks up against B21, which also triangle shaped.
B21 is a subsonic bomber with emphasis on range
once detected, its a sitting duck, at its crawling speed.
I wonder about the light weight statement looking at those robust looking landing gear...wonder if she's more a bomber/ missile truck? Either way it's cool to see something new and different.
Its a light weight design technology-wise, but among fighter-jets its likely the heaviest one
You are probably over 80% or 90% correct what you said in the video.
22 - F119-PW-100 weighs 1800kg 156 kN - ttw ratio 8.8
35 - F135-PW-100/400 weighs between 1,701 to 2910 kg and produces 191 kN - ttw ratio 6.7 to 11.5
j20 - WS-15 weighs 1600 kg and produces 182 kN - ttw ratio 11.6
su57-AL-51F-1 weighs 1450 kg and produces 167 kN - ttw ratio 11.8
Chy na is far beyond "2000 to 2010" era
Do we have concrete data on the WS-15 thrust?
Also that statement stands if you check the dates
@@DeepDiveDefense reported by media in Chy na and the yoo essay
@@DeepDiveDefense WS-15 thrust reported by media in Chy na and the USA. Reality is the engines with the highest thrust to weight ratio in production planes right now is Rush ar 11.8, Chy na 11.6 and third is the yoo essay 11.5.
Interestingly high, but that would fit my 2010's number
@@DeepDiveDefense ws 15 enggine have approximately at 18-20 ton per engine thrust , which mean j20 would have 37 to 40 thrust enggine at afterburner ... we can just assume that 6g jet china will have tonnase at 30 or 50 depent on how much payload , everything i wrote is just my imagination calculated but the thrust enggine is true
The US have developed their own 6th generation aircraft and flew it in 2020 before this Chinese glo-up ever took to the sky. The problem for the US Airforce is that it would cost 300 million dollars for each of the aircraft if they put it in production.
The NGAD project was officially announced as suspended this year, it is clear that the project has encountered problems. What we should do is to remain vigilant, not to underestimate it.
go back to work, use hands not mouth, get ur ngad into reality to teach us how to make a plane please.
No it never happened.
@@ozsharpener The U.S. Air Force Secretary personally said in July news, bro，you can look it up yourself.
@@ozsharpener Wait, are you replying to me, or did I get it wrong?
随便找个体育好的人都能十一二秒跑完一百米，但是这个世界上没人能用这个配速跑完整个马拉松 这就是五六代机的差异
The J-36s leading swarms of ultra-long range stealthy CCA interceptor drones over the 2nd Island chain can hunt and shoot down cargo planes, such as C-130 or C-17 aircraft, temporarily repurposed under the Rapid Dragon program as standoff bombers capable of mass launching any variant of long or short range AGM-158 JASSM cruise missiles against land or naval targets. This could neutralize the USA's Rapid Dragon program by extending the air-sea battle thousands of kilometers out over the western Pacific away from the Chinese coastline. The J-36s with CCA drones could play a ultra-long range, high-speed sniper fighter interceptor role that Lockheed P-38 Lightning played during WWII over vast oceanic distances.
7:40 this thing isn't gonna dog fight it isn't built for that especially with the middle engine top intake this will be blocking visibility of the pilot for his 6.
This thing is built for hunting carrier battle groups in the pacific & it is built for mainly PVR once enemy fighters gets within VR they will run and leave the area with their powerful engines. Something like how Mig-31 are designed to be used.
Its designed to have a emergency capability to fight WVR engagements. Beside being sufficiently agile, off-boresight AAMs and virtual-360° digital helmet mounted displays are great improvements here
This J36 will normally cruise over altitude 25km and hunt down enemy aircraft flying underneath. Regarding that kind of altitude, it is very hard for a F-22 to shoot an AAM at it even when assuming J-36's stealth is not working, as proved by F-22's past struggling against a balloon flying only 18km. It is also a big challenge to normal SAMs as, unlike SR-71 or Mig-25, the J36 could pull supersonic manoeuvre highly likely up to 6G if it has the same spec as that of MD-22 hypersonic aircraft they revealed in Airshow Zhuhai. So the J-36 is quite probably immune to most of those modern AAMs (due to limitation of carrying platforms) and SAMs. The only way to counter such an aircraft is that you have one with similar specs.
Impressive but the f-22 is 40 years old
老古董😂
@zhofanmi9098 I'm not joking. If you can see it publicly released on date it's 20 years old
Yeah but have your woke LGBTQ generation developed anything new yet?
@@Hallonyancatj20也有13年了，而美國的六代機呢？🤔
2nd island chain airspace is contested and China want to ensure they are the dominant fighters in this airspace
This is good news for the US military industry. This new Chinese toy could rob the federal budget even more.
Yes but I concur the challenge lies far beyond the budget.
you see advanced weapon development is not entirely budget depedent, its more talent dependent. of course money counts, but money alone is not enough, its synergy of talents and moral superiority.
As usual, great job. Thank you very much, @Pataramesh
It was not totally unknown. I saw it in a video back in 2021. The video was an introduction to something else, and the flight appeared briefly in a photo. People guessed that it was a new drone.
It was new to people worldwide not to some who follow China news or to countries intelligence.
Nice
China is returning to its former position. Congrats 👍👍👍
as a Chinese, i still insist that USA is the No.2 in military power, Indian is the No.1 in the earth and South Korea is NO.1 in the universe, No Doubt
Why the redundant subtitles? RUclips has had a subtitle feature for an extensive amount of time.
RUclips subtitles are hit and miss. Especially when discussing technical specifications.
Dense content
Dense question.
@@EpistemicResponsibility4All I could understand the verbal narration just fine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@SupaBuma Think of people with disabilities. Not everything is about you.
大蒜才是最危险的，那2个六代机只是农业无人机，不用担心，兄弟
No details as to whether this is a fighter or bomber.
Details like the side radar arrays point to a fighter
High speed and double delta configuration points to the agility of a large and long range fighter.
第六代戰鬥機沒有專門的機種他們是復合型戰鬥機。🤔
Rest assured, US congressmen and senators are preparing the latest sanctions bill.
Cool cool😊
This j36 may not target US satellites or f22/35, it might shoot antiship/hypersonic missiles to Guam or carriers outside 2nd island chain, if these huge missiles could fit into j36’s large weapon space.
5th gen is an easy process, f22 came out and everybody followed. While 6th gen might a journey with different focus, j36 comes first, then different approaches. I think 6th gen time won’t begin soon, eather us or prc will make a lot of segment weapons.
the controversy over double-H -- high altitude & hypersonic cruising -- has been going on for decades. but for the parallel engagement over the pacific ocean, double-H is the one true core strength. u just cant apply the schemes used against 2or3-tier countries here.
Why everyone said its 6th?
Due to its capability leap towards 5th
because it is a different class, sixth gen is a platform which incorporates various smaller systems to form a battle centric platform. It is all about bvr, high speed, having longer range radar and flying at higher altitude, and have advance sensors and avionics and able to communicate and control wingmen with pilot or just pure AI
Best analysis I've seen yet on this. Well thought out aircraft, certain fits with how air combat is working in Ukraine.
烏克蘭不需要，烏克蘭已經變成一個泥潭你需要的是巨量無人機，淹沒兩方。🤔
3 eng 6 gen j-36 as advance as Mate XT
I think being able to make a triangular leaf airplane is a progress for humanity. A triangular leaf airplane can't be made by any country, can it? Of course, this statement is invalid for India and South Korea.
Lmao at all the Chinese bots in the comments. Hopefully RUclips starts banning them.
So small and compact, so hard to hit with a cannon in a dogfight. 🤣
When China decides to wish the Pentagon a Merry Christmas ✨️🎄😂
美国人还活在上个世纪吗?中国现在每年专利申请量占全世界一半.日本文部科学省的报告:过去三年，在全球被引用次数前10%,前1%的自然科学领域论文数量，中国都是世界第一.来自澳大利亚战略政策研究所的报告,在44个下一代最关键科技领域,中国有37个是世界第一,美国只有7个,现在只是刚开始,未来中美的差距会越拉越大,中国只是回到历史上正常的位置,别忘记了,你们当年是靠着中国的指南针,水密舱,火枪火炮这些技术才控制美洲的
瀋陽還有一台試飛,西安也是！！
Yes, but the importance of this is very different
I don't think, any design change can be called generation change these days without changing Fixed Wings to Movable Wings that can wave & tilt, up & down like birds.
You are going retro. F111, F14 Tomcat, F15 Eagle are all swing wing aircrafts.
@jameslum8822 Come out of your nostalgia and get rid of lack of futuristic vision.
My vision is to see a change in warplanes generation where motorized wings are attached to the fuselage. An unseen advancement.