Exactly! She didn't even LOOK DOWN at Master Oogway! And Oogway would be the easiest one to acknowledge and greet for me personally since animal body language is a lot less overwhelming than human body language! Master Oogway is a blesséd soul who must be greeted also!
Master Oogway really gets around, I was very impressed by his speedy travels! How could you not say hello?! He even **walked over to her** and she didn't say hi.
Isn't it a tortoise? Anyway, I would have spoken directly to the tortoise and become fixated by its passage around the table - so much easier than looking and speaking to people!
I want your favorite awesome random facts! I'll start: Kangaroos start out with two vag*nas (censoring anatomical term because youtube hates science lol) and develop a third one after they get pregnant
@@ItsAsparageese 😮 🤩Nature is so amazing! My random awesome fact of the moment: it took homo sapiens sapiens several thousand years to develop the use of 90° angles in architecture. There's sites in Syria where you can see the entire development in the archaeological strata
@@nyarparablepsis872 Ooh interesting lol, I imagine because a whole structure has to be square if you're gonna use that theme pretty much anywhere ... I'll have to look more into that, thanks for the info!
@jeffbrownsclassroom and you can see why, and empathize with a normal human inclination to congregate with folks who see the world through the same lens as us... And also say "no, diversity brings troubles and strife, it's hard sometimes, but we know that trekking through those tiny, huge, social hardships makes groups more creative, more resilient, and just better, so get over yourself." Which is... arguably, marginally easier to say than to do 🤣
Look, it really isn't about any prejudice anyway, of course there isn't any, I have lots of neurotypical friends so I don't mind them at all, but with something like teaching it just makes them completely unsuitable for the job, if they can't infodump to the class then how on earth could they teach properly? The students wouldn't learn anything, and students would probably find the constant eye contact offputting and distract from the learning, so I just have to turn down the neurotypicals from the job although I'm sure they are fine people usually
@@theduchessofdarknessofficial Yeah it was fully a joke lol, and ik, that's kinda part the punchline - getting rejected a job because you make too much eye contact and such
@@dragonscale46Tortoise are slow. If you saw a turtle running you would understand the difference. Also yeah I realised after you said it is indeed a tortoise(I didnt really look at it when I said the comment assuming they knew difference between turtle and tortoise big mistake) but doesnt change that tortoises are slower than turtles. But for a tortoise it is fast.
@exosproudmamabear558 that’s a normal speed for a tortoise. Tortoises are a lot faster than a lot of people think. Maybe not as fast as some other turtles, but still quick when they want to be. Evidence: ruclips.net/user/shortsvZ86Eao5J54?si=G0RsQcVTWaMtRNhs Also all tortoises are turtles.
Neurodivergent: this is a time i felt not great Neurotypical response: do you feel better now? Did you stop feeling not great? Neurodivergent response: this is a time i also felt not great! It was so awful! I'm glad we can relate on how unsavory the human experience can be sometimes :)
I genuinely feel like this is an American thing (I'm not American but my American colleagues have really had to dial it down in order to not be ostracised here, and they were popular smiley etc back in America) because as an AuDHD person I don't have problems with forced positivity & small talk in my country
@@sfmaslfkasl Yeah American culture leans towards allistic behavior, unfortunately. Or like, allistic people have less difficulty than we do (not saying they have none, I’m saying relative to autistic people)
I act just like the interviewee in interviews, but I'm just masking. I taught myself to do that to have a better chance of getting the job. I would have definitely asked a lot of questions about the turtle though!
I was diagnosed autistic in first grade. I was able to sell being Neurotypical well enough during my job interview for my last retail job, but not actually during the job itself. I liked that job because the whole job was helping people. I did my job well because I cared about the care our customers received. But management didn't like me because even though I did the job of customer care well, if they wanted something done on the cleaning/maintenance side of things, they had to tell me first. Other employees, management could just leave them to their own devices and they'd 'find something to do to keep useful' but with me, my brain doesn't work that way. If you don't tell me something needs done, I'm not gonna know to do it, and I'm not gonna seek out something to do without being told to. But when they did tell me, I tried to put just as much effort into whatever job they told me needed done. With that being said, most people aren't anywhere near 100% efficient at work, with a good chunk of your time being spent either in transit (moving from one place to the next), in contemplation (thinking about what work you've done, what needs done, what order to do work in, etc.), or in upkeep (eating or using the bathroom). So when they fired me saying that out of the 100 hours I clocked over the last month, 3 of the hours during that time I spent clocked in but not actually working, I was surprised they'd fire someone for being 97% efficient when normally people are less efficient than that. Normal people will be clocked in despite not working for an even greater amount of time than that if my coworkers were anything to go by, so I'm convinced they just wanted to get rid of me in a way that I wouldn't be able to be hired again since they didn't wanna deal with having to tell me what to do all the time, no matter how good at my job I actually was. If I were to put it in a metaphor, they had me, a sharp knife that did the job well but management had to sharpen regularly in order to utilize, and then they had a dozen other duller knives that did the job worse but were autonomous and didn't require sharpening, and they chose to throw away the sharp knife. How these people's minds work, and how they keep companies running with this attitude, I'll never understand.
I feel you.. though I am hsp not autistic, I've been having similar problems. Through many different jobs, I've learned that if you want to be seen as a 'good employee', you need to intentionaly let others see how hard you work, and put a lot of emphasize on the 'show'. Which is exactly the reverse of what I am and my ways, coz I like to do the job as best as I can, and It is the thing I concentrate on, not on the showing and telling everyone how much I've done, and so on:/ but if you do not rub it in in their faces, they automaticaly presume that you are not doing your job, or that you do it poorly and lazing around.. one of the worst things for me is to market myself, so well.. let's say I struggle;)
I am very bad at telling my coworkers what I did and yes, the result is, they think I am lazy. I would love a manual on how to "rub it in their faces" 😂 Because it is so true, that's what they want 😮🙈😅
Ah yes the neurodivergent job experience. You put in way more work and skill than your neurotypical peers who barely do anything, but if you get caught doing something “abnormal” you’re viewed as the worst worker ever.
I quit my last job because I wasn't being given enough work. I was finishing my tasks far ahead of schedule and never had complaints about my actual work. After continually asking to be given more work I was told I needed to work more hours first to prove myself.
NT: small talk is how you establish trust, because crazy and dangerous people cant talk about the weather. ND: so if i can talk about the weather you're making positive moral assumptions about me? Arent serial killers really good at faking that stuff to get close to strangers? NT: why are you talking about serial killers?
Oh I felt that in my bones! 😂 "I'm not taking about serial killers! What part of I'm using that to demonstrate an important point don't you get? I'm talking about the point/principle. What I use to illustrate it is not the focus." NT's often seem to miss a point or principle by getting distracted by the topic of a part.
Person: I had a negative experience/feeling. Neurotypical display of empathy: Apology, sympathetic remarks, express desire for negative state to be temporary Neurodivergent display of empathy: share a similar type of negative feeling-experience to demonstrate a personal understanding of how the other person is feeling, the sharing is evidence of thoughtfulness and proof of empathy rather than assumption It’s unfortunate that the neurotypical view is that we don’t have empathy. The sharing is a demonstration of active listening. When we display empathy to fellow neurodivergent people, the result is catharsis. It evokes feelings of “I’m not alone,” and “This person gets me.” That builds connection, emotional intimacy, which is important for healthy relationships. But when we display empathy to neurotypical people, we are often told we are selfish and uncaring and rude and make everything about ourselves. Perhaps those who would say that should think of a time when they said something intending to be positive and supportive, but someone else took it the wrong way and assigned malicious intent to them.
YES! YT's algorithm recommended a video to me earlier that asserted the way I show empathy is a "charisma killer" that employs "conversational narcissism" and "unsolicited advice." When a loved one shares their negative experience, I share my own to let them know they're not alone and I'm here to help them get through difficulties together. And if something worked for me, I'll offer it as a potential solution. How is it narcissistic to highlight commonalities in the human experience and want to offer solutions? Isn't it less empathetic to say a curt, "I'm sorry, I hope that gets better," without engaging in the distressing issue and offering support to work through it? I was feeling really bad about myself after watching that, but this video and the comments have helped a lot. Thank you!
I’ve come to find I am different in wanting to feel listened to and heard. I have had so many people claim they understood me, but they didn’t and were cramming me into a box based on assumptions and their ultimate message belittled my experience. Like waving away concerns or calling something I’m doing a phase I’ll get over.
That's a display of "I know what that feels like" which does have an air of empathy to it. As in, you think of how you would feel in a similar situation. That's step one of empathy and usually internal (attunement). However, according to the empathy experts (Marshall Rosenberg and Brene Brown), it's still an empathy miss because empathy is about listening and reflecting understanding of *their* experience.
I kinda wish job interviews were done like a normal conversations. It would be less stressful. I hate the very structed conversation when my working memory SUCKS and I forget what I was supposed to say. Also, the dog infodumping is so real. I have to stop myself or I'll talk for AGES. I usually either write no comments on RUclips or absolute essays. There's no in-between. I'd say it kinda is like that in real life. I may never start a conversation but if you start one with me I either will be slightly uncomfortable because it's a topic I don't enjoy much so I don't know much about it or I'll love that topic and I could talk with you about it for 3 hours straight.
I was in several interviews on company side and actually, being casual and direct was very positive, not only to me but also my colleagues. It depends!!!
Whenever I was the interviewer, I did more casual style interviews. I found them helpful, cause I got to know the real person and I also found them less stressful! Win-win
Same, the only good interview I've ever had was with a manager at a pet supply store who framed it like a friendly conversation, asked me questions about my passion for animals, & was like - 'you'll be perfect for this!' Sadly, I found out that I had been passed over when the next week, I was there doing my job at an adoption event with my local cat rescue, & saw a bunch of new hires being shown around the store...probably because they could already work a cash register etc, like always... But still! I wish all interviews were like that!
Wow I've never watched anything that illustrated so clearly the ND/NT divide. That disconnected, performative, AI speak the NT's do with all the inflections and smiles and eye contact is so robotic. 😮
I worked as an elementary school teacher with autism. It was very difficult. I started at a school that understood my diagnosis and went out of their way to assist me (and I honestly regret leaving). My second school was hellish. My principal actually told me, to my face, that she thought I was too mentally slow to be a teacher. When I asked her if she remembered I had autism, she went white as a sheet. She never spoke to me again while I worked there (which was only a month longer) and did everything in her power to get me fired. I quit before she could. But yeah, be careful neurodivergent teachers, some administration will actively try to get rid of you while simultaneously pretending to be inclusive. Oh and that second school I worked at was a title one school that worked with autistic and special needs kids. So the fact that the principal could be that cruel to a member of her staff that had the same condition was unforgivable. I honestly didn’t even get into the stuff I went through working for that horrible judgmental woman. I quit teaching forever due to that experience.
I'm so sorry that you were treated so horribly, It's those kind of experiences that make me want to train more schools. I've been traveling to schools training them about ND kids and staff.
Wow, I was very amused by this and also sad to know what a common experience this is for so many of us. Before I knew about my neurodivergence, I just assumed I was grossly incompetent compared to those around me, even though on paper I was just about "as impressive." I lose hope sometimes that I'll find a profession where I "fit." A kind neighbor of mine, who I suspect may also be neurodivergent, is an instrument repairman. He let me tag along to some of his jobs. The thought of entering a space to perform a service on my own terms and then promptly leaving sounds about as ideal as work can get, so I hope I can learn more.
my family has an heirloom violin, and we had to take it to be repaired a few times, the repair shop we took it to was so magical looking! all these colorful vials of mysterious liquids, jars of stuff, etc. I've concluded that instrument repair is 1. a form of wizardry and 2. a career only a neurodivergent person would truly excel in. I wish you the best of luck if you decide to be an instrument repair wizard!
I’m a machine tech (most of the time, jobs in machine shops means many hats, hah) and a lot of people in that line of work are very neurodivergent! Most of my coworkers are unabashedly neurospicy in some shape or form, and it comes in handy in our line of work because having the ability to take experience with one kind of machine and extrapolating that laterally onto other machinery is valuable. I often get the impression that many folks in the repair field are neurodivergent because of this, as well as the intricacies of parts and processes - and how particular every single tech I meet is, lol. A very opinionated bunch we are 😂
The hardest question to answer for me has always been, "Where do you see yourself in five years." Dude, I'm still bracing myself for what you might say five minutes from now, I can't plan for five years.
Standard interview questions you can train yourself for & cater to what the interviewer wants to hear. This particular question is an invitation to talk about a possible future career with the people you’re being interviewed by. And trust me, NT people also prepare their responses in this canned way- it’s expected. (Ps I learned this from a Matt Rose video)
As an autistic person who's been jobless since I finished my university 1,5 years ago... I feel this pain so, so much. I always knew this was going to be the case and dreaded it... I'm the most depressed I've ever been. And the most fun part is that when I used to have a job back in the day, constant masking makes you so tired that it's like you are working 3 jobs at once but only get paid for one. No masking equals being ostracized. Im registered as unemployed and the lady at the office doesn't understand why it's so hard for me to get a job.
I understand that stress. No matter how talented , skilled, knowledgeable in the work I performed in the midst of NT work places, the stress of masking was exhausting. Perform too high and their social status or ego is threatened. That creates stress for them. Performing below your personal standards is stressful for you. I've always worked best when working for myself, untethered by the constraints of unwritten NT work rules. Might be best to not limit yourself by working for someone else.
Holy shit you put it into words. I can do carpentry and be on my feet 7+ hours a day and I'll have bit of back pain or muscle aches sometimes, but I'm generally fine. Put me in a customer service job or have to be surrounded by other (very talkative and younger) students and I am exhausted. It does feel like working 3 jobs
I (with probably ADHD) literally just had an interview and the interviewer and I both kept getting sidetracked and off topic. I straight up at one point asked “so how much ADHD you got?” when he asked if I have any questions. He laughed with me abt it. I’ve never clicked with an interviewer so much, I’m honestly really excited.
I always have the impulse to share a story about a similar bad experience when someone else is having a hard time but then it always becomes "way to make it about YOU." I no longer share anything in fear of getting that reaction... but now when someone confides in me I don't know what to say which seems just as bad.
I feel bad because I do this too, but I get very frustrated with my parents (both undiagnosed but almost certainly also ND) who also do it. I've come to realize there's a difference between telling a short story and explicitly relating it back to the person with "so I can/can't imagine how hard x must be" (depending on how similar my experience was), and derailing the entire conversation to talk about my problems. 😅 I've been learning to catch myself before I derail conversations. It doesn't always work because some people will never appreciate the attempt, but it feels like a better compromise to me than just completely suppressing myself.
I feel bad because I do this too, but I get very frustrated with my parents (both undiagnosed but almost certainly also ND) who also do it. I've come to realize there's a difference between telling a short story and explicitly relating it back to the person with "so I can/can't imagine how hard x must be" (depending on how similar my experience was), and derailing the entire conversation to talk about my problems. 😅 I've been learning to catch myself before I derail conversations. It doesn't always work because some people will never appreciate the attempt, but it feels like a better compromise to me than just completely suppressing myself.
It looks like the camera angle of the interviewers was either blandly or coldly color graded or it had no color grading which contrasts the warmer look of the interviewee’s angle. Interesting creative choice. I also like that the interviewers have movie posters behind them and they kept making references
I was introduced to a new colleague yesterday. I hated it. I literally said "I'm nice". I'm 40 years old. How am I not better at this by now. I was also introduced "as kind of a hermit". I mean, it's true, but damn.
@SeveralGhost Thank you. From now on, I will remember your comment any time that awkward situation pops into my mind (which based on past experiences, will be a lot in the years to come). Thank you for a different point of view 😊
@jeffbrownsclassroom oh, no, I meant an online school both run by neurodivergent staff and serving neurodivergent students I figure it might be more enjoyable for neurodivergent students, since a virtual classroom wouldn't involve the sensory distractions and if another student is messing with you, you can just remove them from your vision and hearing
@@MawdyDevIt's not a bad idea, but I worry it would be kind of isolating. I may not have high social needs, but some neurodivergent people do. This idea might cause similar issues as traditional homeschooling where students often feel isolated and just different than other students due to the lack of public socialization.
@@callmepiee2009 my idea was for a virtual classroom, the student would effectively be sitting at a virtual desk with the ability to see the models of their classmates and hear what their classmates say. If another classmate is being distracting, they can opt to remove the other student from their sensory input, but by default everyone would be visible and audible Edit: the models wouldn't have to actually look like the students, of course.
This I so incredibly relatable… I really would love working with other neurodivergent people. That way I won’t feel self-conscious about the way I converse…
Oh goodness! It's been so hard to try unlearning the "reciprocal communication style" thing. I never realized it was considered rude or self-centered. I thought I was communicating that I could relate, without going captain obvious with, "oh I can totally relate" surface level blah
Why didn't they see the interviewee was masking? I don't know what she was like behind the mask, but it was obviously a mask. That's why when I am interviewing I do my best to have at least some time during the interview where the interviewee doesn't have their mask up as much. (Since I'm in computer science, that usually involves sticking an interesting problem in front of them and watching/listening to them work it out) And I know staring at people can make them feel awkward, but how can I understand what makes them tick If I don't watch them? I don't make eye contact to seem trustworthy - I grew up with cats! I make eye contact because I am watching the facial micro gestures. I am very good at pattern recognition. Admittedly, if I were being interviewed, I would probably have changed my technique when I saw my eyes were making them nervous, but I probably still would have gone back to staring as soon as I needed to read body language again. 🙃 Now, not enjoying the movie quotes would definitely be a problem culture-wise. As a person who doesn't watch the same movies as others, I definitely didn't enjoy being surrounded by people doing movie quotes constantly at a previous job 😂
Yeah I'm a masking autistic myself which is why i do more eye contact then the other two interviewers who are just acting autistic. Didn't want to muddy the waters to much with this but you may like my video on masking here: ruclips.net/video/nCRIM7LVlYs/видео.html
I thought it was so funny that at the time you were talking about things being awkward, the turtle was awkwardly slipping into the crack as he walked 😂
I would accept defeat at the part with dog info dump. It would break my expectations of this social activity and require me to spend more energy than I had anticipated. I can completely understand where the interviewer comes from, but this is a job interview, I wired my brain to do the business talk and caught up on my formal expressions, prepared my part of the dialogue, and then you suddenly jump to semi-friendly dog talk? Get me out X) It's nice to compare the experiences, because, even in differences, I can relate to these people. Thank you for the video!
Awww I love the part about Jerry, I love dogs, my girls are Avery (her full name is Avery "Mouse" Lee though) and Pantera (known mostly as Pants or The Wugget), Pants is 14 and she's a cattle dog mix and Avery will be 13 in a couple of months and she's a pyrenees mix and they're really smart and Avery used to climb fences and trees but now she doesn't try that stuff anymore since she's older (which I'd say is the only good thing about any dog getting old) so it's kind of funny because Avery was always the problem child (I called them "perfect child" and "problem child" for ages) but now that they're older they've totally reversed roles and Pantera is a troublemaker now lol she's started eating random objects out of nowhere (just a few weeks ago she puked up a cat toy from her brother's house!) oh and their brother is Butters, he's my ex's dog and we're all still best friends and we visit a lot (Avery is really the one who made us adopt him ("him" being Butters, not my ex)), he's probably a lab/pit/maybe rottie/maybe sharpei type of mix (also referring here to Butters and not my ex), just a big blocky butterbean (his full name is Butters Samuel Bean) and he's actually the sweetest of the three, he's really sensitive and gets anxious sometimes (we called it "getting agitatered" which became "tatered" and now when one of us is tatered about something we say stuff like "don't be a tater, be a bean!") and actually all three have a whole extensive array of nicknames with cute etymologies lol but omg I almost forgot to share that BUTTERS NURSES ON BLANKIES which is INSANELY CUTE, this blocky big 100-lb pibble-lookin' vanillabean nursing on a blankie to calm himself every day, especially when he has one of his hoodies on, it's the best, he's so cute, they're all such good dogs, well except Pantera sometimes now that she's in her Sassy Pants era lol, but anyway I really liked this video and I love dogs and Jerry sounds like a great dog and if anyone read this far then do you have a dog?
I don't have a dog. I have 2 cats, but I like dogs. Maybe if I had enough land and house I might have a dog too if my cats wouldn't hate it, but they probably would. Cats are Genie and Gidget, sisters, all grey. We got them from a shelter when they were about 8 months old. They're such sweeties. Gidget is definitely the smarter of the two, also more nervous. She will go hide if anyone comes to the house that doesn't live here. Genie is the not as bright cat that is sweet and social. Anyone comes to the house, she will think they came to see her in particular. Gidget is recovering from over grooming; probably from the stress of having my mother-in-law live with us for a while. My mother-in-law would not have anything to do with petting the cats or letting them on her lap, only insisted on feeding them, which I think confused poor Gidget greatly.
Thank you for telling us about your dogs! I don't have any dogs. I had a cat who was basically my life partner, she was so snuggle and purr, we knew each other so well, I could even ask her "show me" when I didn't understand her and she'd show me what she wanted (half the time, it was to take a nap with me XD). I lost her a few months ago and it's been really hard. I started volunteering at a cat shelter, though, and I asked to foster their meanest, fussiest cat, and when I brought her home her personality suddenly changed completely! She's now so wonderfully sweet and purry. I learned so much from my old cat how to make this cat feel comfortable and happy and how to help with her medical issues, it's a balm. I still really miss my old cat, though. I love them both so much, even though they'd probably dislike each other intensely (my old cat always hated cats, though she liked dogs).
I haven't been diagnosed but I know I'm neurodivergent, I either have ADHD or autism, or both, and I'm planning on going for a diagnosis. Funny thing is I try to mask and do a terrible job of it. I for example make small talk about the weather and share a bunch of statistics like the record high and low and averages for that date and then a bunch of other records for that month. Or some kind of event going on space-related and I go on an impressive tangent. I love to talk about space stuff so much I forget to swallow when talking. I'm so thankful the interview process went smoothly for the jobs I have, I work at a planetarium and also do astronomy-related independent research. I suppose it's a field where a lot of us reside. Sometimes I like to joke that I'm an alien from another planet studying Earthlings as my real job. -I hope nobody discovers my secret, haha-
makes me shutter to think that "professionals" actually sit around and rudely judge me about petty things like eye contact in the irrelevant setting of a job interview
Please don't judge and discriminate against a person just because you assume they have neurotypical disorder. She's human, too. And she can't help it, she was born this way. Show some sympathy for her, she's wasting countless hours of precious lifetime on small talk, while never being able to experience true joy while babbling on about an interesting topic for hours on end. At least give her a chance, maybe she'll learn to mask her disorder and to better fit in. If she really keeps staring into other peoples eyes, you can just fire her and instead hire someone who doesn't think society has to constantly cater to their special needs. (Jokes aside, I never realised talking about similar experiences was a neurodivergence thing. I thought it was normal to demonstrate you can relate to their suffering ...? 0_o )
I loved Mrs Darris when I was in school, she's an incredible english teacher and helped me feel more comfortable in class when I came out as trans. Love the video!
Thankyou. 😊🙌 I was wondering how long the turtle worked at the school, and happy that movie quotes are an integral part of communication! also , I love that other humans try to relate by sharing experiences (good or bad) to show empathy, I thought it was just me. I would love to just be drawing and doodling when speaking with people, but I am not that brave.
Is that a sulcata or a box turtle? Can I use comic books to teach English? Actually can I let the students teach me about their favorite books instead?
OOOOF. As a ND who is interviewing tomorrow this had me cackling! Trying to mask to not seem weird, trying to talk myself up, answer the questions "correctly", while still trying to be present & not disassociate from the anxiety is exhasting! I wish my interviews were with people more on the ND side. Be slightly less stressful at least
I actually find eye contact to be rude because in my experience pointing your ear at someone makes it easier to hear them, which is a sign that you want to hear what theyre saying. Eye contact creates an arena where one can pretend to listen but not actually be by just nodding and making listening sounds, and that to me is disingenuous and disrespectful
While Museum Studies is not a path to wealth, my team & I joked that it is one of the most naturally neurodivergent professions. Even in training videos taken at other museums, we could see how much the field really is suited to neurodivergence. The really famous museums have powerful donors & board members and tbh are the most likely to be less tolerant of us, but the vast majority of US museums are not like that at all. The neurodivergence is strong & powerful in the field - to the point that the very normie types who are always in the middle lane of whatever is the US middle class standard - they look odd & less passionate among the divergent. Even the interns who rarely speak (we’ve become quietly known as an internship site for several majors if the student prefers low verbal communication & needs accommodation but doesn’t want to have to talk about it, which makes sense.)
Thank you for sharing this. This gave my daughter the courage to apply for a job at a local museum. She has a library science masters with archiving as a specialty but still has had trouble with interviews.
That was just the best. Watching this omg. What the neuroT does is the mask I’ve put on for so many interviews because that’s what’s expected and what I’ve mimicked to death when I’m really more likely to go on and on about my cats and dogs and my current hyperfixation and the movie quotes… Fantastic video, gosh, if I’d been interviewing in there, we’d never have gotten out of the room, the interview would be endless info dumping. XD
I hate that the interviewee just sounds exactly like me during a job interview, despite me being autistic, because I mask just like that in order to get a job.
I was asked in an interview what i didnt like about my previous job. I told what i didnt like (how i was terminated a week after handing me 401k paperwork). I was denied for talking negatively about my previous employer. Apparently i was just supposed to lie. Why even ask a question when every succesful answer is going to be a lie
yes unfortunately this is an area you are supposed to lie. Interviewing is a game that is focused on neurotypical social rules which is what frustrates me and so many of us. It's why I made this video.
It is definitely a bit of song and dance, unfortunately. When I was an interviewer, I often would ask this question to see if there were any immediate red flags such as a culture fit issue or if I felt like the reason they left is too similar to the kind of environment that my org would be. We also had someone who told us that they had been working in a job where they weren't doing anything for years and proceeded to demonstrate a skills gap that led us to passing on that candidate.
Thank you. As a ND person now I know how ive got to act to try to get a job. Just be like this. Don't answer questions with too much detail. Just be general. Don't talk too much
This makes sense now why I am always hiring more neurodivergent people than neurotypical people in my department. Customer service/warehouse job. It helps knowing I'm keeping us together and employed. 😂
the sharing your own experience about the other thing is so real cuz how am I supposed to show how bad I feel without sharing my own experience 😭😭 (i am autistic)
Please make a video on how to do job interviews I genuinely have no idea, I lost 5/6 job positions because I have autism and I have no idea how to act like they want me to act. Acting like myself is obviously not good enough..it's very sad but it's the truth.
unfortunately I probably won't get to that but there are a lot of youtube videos that cover that topic if you want to look them up. Unfortunately it's usually about learning neurotypical communication patterns.
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She didn’t even address the turtle in the room 😭
Exactly! She didn't even LOOK DOWN at Master Oogway! And Oogway would be the easiest one to acknowledge and greet for me personally since animal body language is a lot less overwhelming than human body language! Master Oogway is a blesséd soul who must be greeted also!
Master Oogway really gets around, I was very impressed by his speedy travels! How could you not say hello?! He even **walked over to her** and she didn't say hi.
very disrespectful, i would be immediately on to the next candidate
yep, i would have had far more interaction with the turtle than with the interviewers. 😃
I know!
The only truly unforgivable thing is that she didn’t show any interest in the turtle. She didn’t ask about him at all or even say hello to him!
as an autistic person i would have OPENED with the turtle. i want to know about master oogway. is he nice? does he like people? I NEED TO KNOW
@@kigut7443how often will I have the pleasure of working with Mr. Oogway if hired??
Likes dogs, but gives the turtle nothing?! Speciesist. Would not hire.
Hahaha 😂
Man, maybe if these three interviewed me, I'd finally get a job.
Ditto!
Ughhh hard same 😅😭 I think we would vibe so well together.
The way I would have immediately asked about the turtle's diet and care instructions when he was introduced as part of the interview team...
You're hired!
Isn't it a tortoise? Anyway, I would have spoken directly to the tortoise and become fixated by its passage around the table - so much easier than looking and speaking to people!
It is a tortoise. And we would be cool with that
Yes! The way that she didn't even engage with the tortoise suggests that she's just not a team player 🤭😬
Oh I didn’t even think of that! 🤦
I just wanted to coo at it, stare at it, and ask if I can give it pets. I need to brush up on my interview skills!
"I had so many awesome random facts to share, and she didn't ask ONCE." I feel so seen.
I want your favorite awesome random facts! I'll start: Kangaroos start out with two vag*nas (censoring anatomical term because youtube hates science lol) and develop a third one after they get pregnant
@@ItsAsparageeseI can’t even stay on the bit that’s genuinely news to me and *wild*
@@ItsAsparageese 😮 🤩Nature is so amazing!
My random awesome fact of the moment: it took homo sapiens sapiens several thousand years to develop the use of 90° angles in architecture. There's sites in Syria where you can see the entire development in the archaeological strata
@@nyarparablepsis872 Ooh interesting lol, I imagine because a whole structure has to be square if you're gonna use that theme pretty much anywhere ... I'll have to look more into that, thanks for the info!
@@ItsAsparageese why kangaroos got 2 peepees?
How do we even KNOW she felt empathy? She didn't even share anything! 😂
She didn’t SHARE!!!!
Perhaps she just had boundaries & didn't feel comfortable sharing personal information with strangers
"I'm not, like, prejudiced about neurotypicals, but sometimes they're a bad cultural fit for the team, that's just the way it goes sometimes 🤔"
Exactly what happens
@jeffbrownsclassroom and you can see why, and empathize with a normal human inclination to congregate with folks who see the world through the same lens as us...
And also say "no, diversity brings troubles and strife, it's hard sometimes, but we know that trekking through those tiny, huge, social hardships makes groups more creative, more resilient, and just better, so get over yourself."
Which is... arguably, marginally easier to say than to do 🤣
Look, it really isn't about any prejudice anyway, of course there isn't any, I have lots of neurotypical friends so I don't mind them at all, but with something like teaching it just makes them completely unsuitable for the job, if they can't infodump to the class then how on earth could they teach properly? The students wouldn't learn anything, and students would probably find the constant eye contact offputting and distract from the learning, so I just have to turn down the neurotypicals from the job although I'm sure they are fine people usually
@@NearlyInfinitythis is probably a joke but you guys know that jobs ask you to make eye contact or you don't get the job right
@@theduchessofdarknessofficial Yeah it was fully a joke lol, and ik, that's kinda part the punchline - getting rejected a job because you make too much eye contact and such
I love that turtle just casually cruising around the table 😂
He is super awesome
@@jeffbrownsclassroom Master Uguay ❤
that turtle is so fast
He can actually go much faster when he wants to.
Turtles are fast bois,tortoises are slow.
@@exosproudmamabear558he is a tortoise, and tortoises are speedy.
@@dragonscale46Tortoise are slow. If you saw a turtle running you would understand the difference. Also yeah I realised after you said it is indeed a tortoise(I didnt really look at it when I said the comment assuming they knew difference between turtle and tortoise big mistake) but doesnt change that tortoises are slower than turtles. But for a tortoise it is fast.
@exosproudmamabear558 that’s a normal speed for a tortoise. Tortoises are a lot faster than a lot of people think. Maybe not as fast as some other turtles, but still quick when they want to be.
Evidence:
ruclips.net/user/shortsvZ86Eao5J54?si=G0RsQcVTWaMtRNhs
Also all tortoises are turtles.
Neurodivergent: this is a time i felt not great
Neurotypical response: do you feel better now? Did you stop feeling not great?
Neurodivergent response: this is a time i also felt not great! It was so awful! I'm glad we can relate on how unsavory the human experience can be sometimes :)
And then there's the arsehole response: the thing making you feel not great is your fault. Also you're overreacting by feeling not great.
I genuinely feel like this is an American thing (I'm not American but my American colleagues have really had to dial it down in order to not be ostracised here, and they were popular smiley etc back in America) because as an AuDHD person I don't have problems with forced positivity & small talk in my country
I agree, no one is like that in France. People love to talk about not greatness
@sfmaslfkasl & @M_SC Thank you both for chiming in! This is absolutely a bias
@@sfmaslfkasl Yeah American culture leans towards allistic behavior, unfortunately. Or like, allistic people have less difficulty than we do (not saying they have none, I’m saying relative to autistic people)
This makes me wish I could always work in a neurodivergent workplace! Things would be much less confusing and needlessly alienating.
I totally agree. Luckily my teacher friends that surround me are either NDs or ND allies.
Get into computer science. 😆
@@LycanKai14 at this point interviews just feel like hazing
I act just like the interviewee in interviews, but I'm just masking. I taught myself to do that to have a better chance of getting the job. I would have definitely asked a lot of questions about the turtle though!
Yeah I'm a masking autistic and have exhausted myself from doing so. I made a video about it here: ruclips.net/video/nCRIM7LVlYs/видео.html
same lol i go in there and just lie 😌🙏
“i just don’t think we can work with somebody who doesn’t get our movie quotes” is so so SO real 😭
I’m a neurotypical therapist, and I feel this is so helpful for perspective taking! Thank you for sharing!
I'm so glad that it's helpful. Feel free to use it in any way that is helpful for you.
I also strongly recommend the pixigags skits. I relate so much with the ASD, ADHD, and depression cats
3:38
"He likes to eat people."
Be momentarily inattentive, and you'll miss it.
relatable
"he's a little Chihuahua mix, he likes to eat people ..." 😂
I was diagnosed autistic in first grade. I was able to sell being Neurotypical well enough during my job interview for my last retail job, but not actually during the job itself. I liked that job because the whole job was helping people. I did my job well because I cared about the care our customers received. But management didn't like me because even though I did the job of customer care well, if they wanted something done on the cleaning/maintenance side of things, they had to tell me first. Other employees, management could just leave them to their own devices and they'd 'find something to do to keep useful' but with me, my brain doesn't work that way. If you don't tell me something needs done, I'm not gonna know to do it, and I'm not gonna seek out something to do without being told to. But when they did tell me, I tried to put just as much effort into whatever job they told me needed done. With that being said, most people aren't anywhere near 100% efficient at work, with a good chunk of your time being spent either in transit (moving from one place to the next), in contemplation (thinking about what work you've done, what needs done, what order to do work in, etc.), or in upkeep (eating or using the bathroom). So when they fired me saying that out of the 100 hours I clocked over the last month, 3 of the hours during that time I spent clocked in but not actually working, I was surprised they'd fire someone for being 97% efficient when normally people are less efficient than that. Normal people will be clocked in despite not working for an even greater amount of time than that if my coworkers were anything to go by, so I'm convinced they just wanted to get rid of me in a way that I wouldn't be able to be hired again since they didn't wanna deal with having to tell me what to do all the time, no matter how good at my job I actually was. If I were to put it in a metaphor, they had me, a sharp knife that did the job well but management had to sharpen regularly in order to utilize, and then they had a dozen other duller knives that did the job worse but were autonomous and didn't require sharpening, and they chose to throw away the sharp knife. How these people's minds work, and how they keep companies running with this attitude, I'll never understand.
I feel you.. though I am hsp not autistic, I've been having similar problems. Through many different jobs, I've learned that if you want to be seen as a 'good employee', you need to intentionaly let others see how hard you work, and put a lot of emphasize on the 'show'. Which is exactly the reverse of what I am and my ways, coz I like to do the job as best as I can, and It is the thing I concentrate on, not on the showing and telling everyone how much I've done, and so on:/ but if you do not rub it in in their faces, they automaticaly presume that you are not doing your job, or that you do it poorly and lazing around.. one of the worst things for me is to market myself, so well.. let's say I struggle;)
I am very bad at telling my coworkers what I did and yes, the result is, they think I am lazy. I would love a manual on how to "rub it in their faces" 😂 Because it is so true, that's what they want 😮🙈😅
Ah yes the neurodivergent job experience. You put in way more work and skill than your neurotypical peers who barely do anything, but if you get caught doing something “abnormal” you’re viewed as the worst worker ever.
I quit my last job because I wasn't being given enough work. I was finishing my tasks far ahead of schedule and never had complaints about my actual work. After continually asking to be given more work I was told I needed to work more hours first to prove myself.
This is litterally so true, i'm glad im not alone :')
As an AuDHDer who has worked a long time in academia, I absolutely loved this video! I laughed so hard when she started going on and on about the dog.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hey new best friend. I’m in it now. 😅
Same! I'm AuDHD and I had a husky. I had to put him down two months ago, but I have lots of stories about him.
what is AuDHD and why instead of ADHD
@@myrmiadAutism + ADHD
NT: small talk is how you establish trust, because crazy and dangerous people cant talk about the weather.
ND: so if i can talk about the weather you're making positive moral assumptions about me? Arent serial killers really good at faking that stuff to get close to strangers?
NT: why are you talking about serial killers?
Oh I felt that in my bones! 😂 "I'm not taking about serial killers! What part of I'm using that to demonstrate an important point don't you get? I'm talking about the point/principle. What I use to illustrate it is not the focus." NT's often seem to miss a point or principle by getting distracted by the topic of a part.
@@carla8478preach
MF, *you* brought up "crazy and dangerous people"
Person: I had a negative experience/feeling.
Neurotypical display of empathy: Apology, sympathetic remarks, express desire for negative state to be temporary
Neurodivergent display of empathy: share a similar type of negative feeling-experience to demonstrate a personal understanding of how the other person is feeling, the sharing is evidence of thoughtfulness and proof of empathy rather than assumption
It’s unfortunate that the neurotypical view is that we don’t have empathy. The sharing is a demonstration of active listening. When we display empathy to fellow neurodivergent people, the result is catharsis. It evokes feelings of “I’m not alone,” and “This person gets me.” That builds connection, emotional intimacy, which is important for healthy relationships. But when we display empathy to neurotypical people, we are often told we are selfish and uncaring and rude and make everything about ourselves. Perhaps those who would say that should think of a time when they said something intending to be positive and supportive, but someone else took it the wrong way and assigned malicious intent to them.
YES! YT's algorithm recommended a video to me earlier that asserted the way I show empathy is a "charisma killer" that employs "conversational narcissism" and "unsolicited advice." When a loved one shares their negative experience, I share my own to let them know they're not alone and I'm here to help them get through difficulties together. And if something worked for me, I'll offer it as a potential solution. How is it narcissistic to highlight commonalities in the human experience and want to offer solutions? Isn't it less empathetic to say a curt, "I'm sorry, I hope that gets better," without engaging in the distressing issue and offering support to work through it? I was feeling really bad about myself after watching that, but this video and the comments have helped a lot. Thank you!
That's how neurodivergents show empathy. It's totally good and not conversational narcissism. Glad the video helped.
I’ve come to find I am different in wanting to feel listened to and heard. I have had so many people claim they understood me, but they didn’t and were cramming me into a box based on assumptions and their ultimate message belittled my experience. Like waving away concerns or calling something I’m doing a phase I’ll get over.
That's a display of "I know what that feels like" which does have an air of empathy to it. As in, you think of how you would feel in a similar situation. That's step one of empathy and usually internal (attunement).
However, according to the empathy experts (Marshall Rosenberg and Brene Brown), it's still an empathy miss because empathy is about listening and reflecting understanding of *their* experience.
(I'm a Highly Sensitive Person under the neurodiversity umbrella) 🙂
I’m appalled at her indifference toward the turtle 😿
I kinda wish job interviews were done like a normal conversations. It would be less stressful. I hate the very structed conversation when my working memory SUCKS and I forget what I was supposed to say.
Also, the dog infodumping is so real. I have to stop myself or I'll talk for AGES. I usually either write no comments on RUclips or absolute essays. There's no in-between. I'd say it kinda is like that in real life. I may never start a conversation but if you start one with me I either will be slightly uncomfortable because it's a topic I don't enjoy much so I don't know much about it or I'll love that topic and I could talk with you about it for 3 hours straight.
I was in several interviews on company side and actually, being casual and direct was very positive, not only to me but also my colleagues. It depends!!!
Whenever I was the interviewer, I did more casual style interviews. I found them helpful, cause I got to know the real person and I also found them less stressful! Win-win
Same here! I also do love your Grian pfp!!! :D
Same, the only good interview I've ever had was with a manager at a pet supply store who framed it like a friendly conversation, asked me questions about my passion for animals, & was like - 'you'll be perfect for this!' Sadly, I found out that I had been passed over when the next week, I was there doing my job at an adoption event with my local cat rescue, & saw a bunch of new hires being shown around the store...probably because they could already work a cash register etc, like always... But still! I wish all interviews were like that!
I think casual would be stressful for me as I wouldn't know the proper decorum as the interviewer or interviewee.
Wow I've never watched anything that illustrated so clearly the ND/NT divide. That disconnected, performative, AI speak the NT's do with all the inflections and smiles and eye contact is so robotic. 😮
The woman masking immediately while not looking or not doodling is me in person.
and then infodumping about my dog for an hour
If interviews were like this I wouldn't have as much anxiety
I worked as an elementary school teacher with autism. It was very difficult. I started at a school that understood my diagnosis and went out of their way to assist me (and I honestly regret leaving). My second school was hellish. My principal actually told me, to my face, that she thought I was too mentally slow to be a teacher. When I asked her if she remembered I had autism, she went white as a sheet. She never spoke to me again while I worked there (which was only a month longer) and did everything in her power to get me fired. I quit before she could. But yeah, be careful neurodivergent teachers, some administration will actively try to get rid of you while simultaneously pretending to be inclusive. Oh and that second school I worked at was a title one school that worked with autistic and special needs kids. So the fact that the principal could be that cruel to a member of her staff that had the same condition was unforgivable. I honestly didn’t even get into the stuff I went through working for that horrible judgmental woman. I quit teaching forever due to that experience.
I'm so sorry that you were treated so horribly, It's those kind of experiences that make me want to train more schools. I've been traveling to schools training them about ND kids and staff.
Name and shame. No ND kid deserves to be subjected to an administration that malign.
Dont be shy drop the school name
@@jeffbrownsclassroomThank you for your efforts in that department. It is certainly needed.
Wow, I was very amused by this and also sad to know what a common experience this is for so many of us. Before I knew about my neurodivergence, I just assumed I was grossly incompetent compared to those around me, even though on paper I was just about "as impressive." I lose hope sometimes that I'll find a profession where I "fit."
A kind neighbor of mine, who I suspect may also be neurodivergent, is an instrument repairman. He let me tag along to some of his jobs. The thought of entering a space to perform a service on my own terms and then promptly leaving sounds about as ideal as work can get, so I hope I can learn more.
my family has an heirloom violin, and we had to take it to be repaired a few times, the repair shop we took it to was so magical looking! all these colorful vials of mysterious liquids, jars of stuff, etc. I've concluded that instrument repair is 1. a form of wizardry and 2. a career only a neurodivergent person would truly excel in. I wish you the best of luck if you decide to be an instrument repair wizard!
Unfortunately it is super common. I hope this works out for you it sounds like a good plan.
I’m a machine tech (most of the time, jobs in machine shops means many hats, hah) and a lot of people in that line of work are very neurodivergent! Most of my coworkers are unabashedly neurospicy in some shape or form, and it comes in handy in our line of work because having the ability to take experience with one kind of machine and extrapolating that laterally onto other machinery is valuable.
I often get the impression that many folks in the repair field are neurodivergent because of this, as well as the intricacies of parts and processes - and how particular every single tech I meet is, lol. A very opinionated bunch we are 😂
The hardest question to answer for me has always been, "Where do you see yourself in five years."
Dude, I'm still bracing myself for what you might say five minutes from now, I can't plan for five years.
Standard interview questions you can train yourself for & cater to what the interviewer wants to hear. This particular question is an invitation to talk about a possible future career with the people you’re being interviewed by. And trust me, NT people also prepare their responses in this canned way- it’s expected.
(Ps I learned this from a Matt Rose video)
As an autistic person who's been jobless since I finished my university 1,5 years ago... I feel this pain so, so much. I always knew this was going to be the case and dreaded it... I'm the most depressed I've ever been. And the most fun part is that when I used to have a job back in the day, constant masking makes you so tired that it's like you are working 3 jobs at once but only get paid for one. No masking equals being ostracized. Im registered as unemployed and the lady at the office doesn't understand why it's so hard for me to get a job.
I'm so sorry I know how demoralizing that can be
I'm so sorry. I hope you get the workplace environment you deserve!
I understand that stress. No matter how talented , skilled, knowledgeable in the work I performed in the midst of NT work places, the stress of masking was exhausting. Perform too high and their social status or ego is threatened. That creates stress for them. Performing below your personal standards is stressful for you. I've always worked best when working for myself, untethered by the constraints of unwritten NT work rules. Might be best to not limit yourself by working for someone else.
Holy shit you put it into words. I can do carpentry and be on my feet 7+ hours a day and I'll have bit of back pain or muscle aches sometimes, but I'm generally fine. Put me in a customer service job or have to be surrounded by other (very talkative and younger) students and I am exhausted. It does feel like working 3 jobs
😭 so many of these are like. how I've learned to behave but like. SHE DIDN'T EVEN SAY HI TO THE TURTLE
The chairs squeaking the whole way through... *shudder*
But really, this is amazing! As a education student, I am dreading the interview process.
I (with probably ADHD) literally just had an interview and the interviewer and I both kept getting sidetracked and off topic. I straight up at one point asked “so how much ADHD you got?” when he asked if I have any questions. He laughed with me abt it. I’ve never clicked with an interviewer so much, I’m honestly really excited.
I always have the impulse to share a story about a similar bad experience when someone else is having a hard time but then it always becomes "way to make it about YOU." I no longer share anything in fear of getting that reaction... but now when someone confides in me I don't know what to say which seems just as bad.
I feel bad because I do this too, but I get very frustrated with my parents (both undiagnosed but almost certainly also ND) who also do it. I've come to realize there's a difference between telling a short story and explicitly relating it back to the person with "so I can/can't imagine how hard x must be" (depending on how similar my experience was), and derailing the entire conversation to talk about my problems. 😅
I've been learning to catch myself before I derail conversations. It doesn't always work because some people will never appreciate the attempt, but it feels like a better compromise to me than just completely suppressing myself.
I feel bad because I do this too, but I get very frustrated with my parents (both undiagnosed but almost certainly also ND) who also do it. I've come to realize there's a difference between telling a short story and explicitly relating it back to the person with "so I can/can't imagine how hard x must be" (depending on how similar my experience was), and derailing the entire conversation to talk about my problems. 😅
I've been learning to catch myself before I derail conversations. It doesn't always work because some people will never appreciate the attempt, but it feels like a better compromise to me than just completely suppressing myself.
It looks like the camera angle of the interviewers was either blandly or coldly color graded or it had no color grading which contrasts the warmer look of the interviewee’s angle. Interesting creative choice. I also like that the interviewers have movie posters behind them and they kept making references
I was introduced to a new colleague yesterday. I hated it. I literally said "I'm nice". I'm 40 years old. How am I not better at this by now. I was also introduced "as kind of a hermit". I mean, it's true, but damn.
That's actually a pretty witty response if you were just introduced as a hermit
@SeveralGhost Thank you. From now on, I will remember your comment any time that awkward situation pops into my mind (which based on past experiences, will be a lot in the years to come). Thank you for a different point of view 😊
I have to agree with SeveralGhost. You gave the perfect response to being introduced that way! 🏆
I'm very tempted to try setting up some sort of neurodivergent-specialized online school that gamifies the learning process
That sounds interesting. Teach schools about neurodivergents.
@jeffbrownsclassroom oh, no, I meant an online school both run by neurodivergent staff and serving neurodivergent students
I figure it might be more enjoyable for neurodivergent students, since a virtual classroom wouldn't involve the sensory distractions and if another student is messing with you, you can just remove them from your vision and hearing
@@MawdyDevIt's not a bad idea, but I worry it would be kind of isolating. I may not have high social needs, but some neurodivergent people do. This idea might cause similar issues as traditional homeschooling where students often feel isolated and just different than other students due to the lack of public socialization.
@@callmepiee2009 my idea was for a virtual classroom, the student would effectively be sitting at a virtual desk with the ability to see the models of their classmates and hear what their classmates say.
If another classmate is being distracting, they can opt to remove the other student from their sensory input, but by default everyone would be visible and audible
Edit: the models wouldn't have to actually look like the students, of course.
I meant that I teach schools about neurodivergents . It was a typo. Your idea sounds awesome.
The turtle!🐢
This I so incredibly relatable… I really would love working with other neurodivergent people. That way I won’t feel self-conscious about the way I converse…
It is nice to have ND co-workers but my NT ones are very supportive as well luckily
Oh goodness! It's been so hard to try unlearning the "reciprocal communication style" thing. I never realized it was considered rude or self-centered. I thought I was communicating that I could relate, without going captain obvious with, "oh I can totally relate" surface level blah
I genuinely don't understand how surface level blah is 'better' than sharing a similar experience
1:53 The turtle coming in 😭💕
I wish more interviews were like this tbh.
I FEEL SO SEEN, the whole "She didn't even share a time she was sick" thing!!!!
Why didn't they see the interviewee was masking? I don't know what she was like behind the mask, but it was obviously a mask. That's why when I am interviewing I do my best to have at least some time during the interview where the interviewee doesn't have their mask up as much. (Since I'm in computer science, that usually involves sticking an interesting problem in front of them and watching/listening to them work it out)
And I know staring at people can make them feel awkward, but how can I understand what makes them tick If I don't watch them? I don't make eye contact to seem trustworthy - I grew up with cats! I make eye contact because I am watching the facial micro gestures. I am very good at pattern recognition. Admittedly, if I were being interviewed, I would probably have changed my technique when I saw my eyes were making them nervous, but I probably still would have gone back to staring as soon as I needed to read body language again. 🙃
Now, not enjoying the movie quotes would definitely be a problem culture-wise. As a person who doesn't watch the same movies as others, I definitely didn't enjoy being surrounded by people doing movie quotes constantly at a previous job 😂
Yeah I'm a masking autistic myself which is why i do more eye contact then the other two interviewers who are just acting autistic. Didn't want to muddy the waters to much with this but you may like my video on masking here: ruclips.net/video/nCRIM7LVlYs/видео.html
@@jeffbrownsclassroom which are the 2 that were just acting autistic?
I'm the one in the middle, the other two are just acting
The "not it!" Nose touch was always my bane. I was always 'it' 😂
Oh god, me too, it's actually such a relief to realise I'm not alone with that
I lost it at the "passionate" question..."she only talked for a few seconds" 😄
I thought it was so funny that at the time you were talking about things being awkward, the turtle was awkwardly slipping into the crack as he walked 😂
I didn't realize that, master Oogway is an amazing actor
I would accept defeat at the part with dog info dump. It would break my expectations of this social activity and require me to spend more energy than I had anticipated. I can completely understand where the interviewer comes from, but this is a job interview, I wired my brain to do the business talk and caught up on my formal expressions, prepared my part of the dialogue, and then you suddenly jump to semi-friendly dog talk? Get me out X)
It's nice to compare the experiences, because, even in differences, I can relate to these people. Thank you for the video!
Awww I love the part about Jerry, I love dogs, my girls are Avery (her full name is Avery "Mouse" Lee though) and Pantera (known mostly as Pants or The Wugget), Pants is 14 and she's a cattle dog mix and Avery will be 13 in a couple of months and she's a pyrenees mix and they're really smart and Avery used to climb fences and trees but now she doesn't try that stuff anymore since she's older (which I'd say is the only good thing about any dog getting old) so it's kind of funny because Avery was always the problem child (I called them "perfect child" and "problem child" for ages) but now that they're older they've totally reversed roles and Pantera is a troublemaker now lol she's started eating random objects out of nowhere (just a few weeks ago she puked up a cat toy from her brother's house!) oh and their brother is Butters, he's my ex's dog and we're all still best friends and we visit a lot (Avery is really the one who made us adopt him ("him" being Butters, not my ex)), he's probably a lab/pit/maybe rottie/maybe sharpei type of mix (also referring here to Butters and not my ex), just a big blocky butterbean (his full name is Butters Samuel Bean) and he's actually the sweetest of the three, he's really sensitive and gets anxious sometimes (we called it "getting agitatered" which became "tatered" and now when one of us is tatered about something we say stuff like "don't be a tater, be a bean!") and actually all three have a whole extensive array of nicknames with cute etymologies lol but omg I almost forgot to share that BUTTERS NURSES ON BLANKIES which is INSANELY CUTE, this blocky big 100-lb pibble-lookin' vanillabean nursing on a blankie to calm himself every day, especially when he has one of his hoodies on, it's the best, he's so cute, they're all such good dogs, well except Pantera sometimes now that she's in her Sassy Pants era lol, but anyway I really liked this video and I love dogs and Jerry sounds like a great dog and if anyone read this far then do you have a dog?
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That's some awesome stuff going on there
I don't have a dog. I have 2 cats, but I like dogs. Maybe if I had enough land and house I might have a dog too if my cats wouldn't hate it, but they probably would. Cats are Genie and Gidget, sisters, all grey. We got them from a shelter when they were about 8 months old. They're such sweeties. Gidget is definitely the smarter of the two, also more nervous. She will go hide if anyone comes to the house that doesn't live here. Genie is the not as bright cat that is sweet and social. Anyone comes to the house, she will think they came to see her in particular. Gidget is recovering from over grooming; probably from the stress of having my mother-in-law live with us for a while. My mother-in-law would not have anything to do with petting the cats or letting them on her lap, only insisted on feeding them, which I think confused poor Gidget greatly.
No because my landlord doesn't allow it but I hope to in the future. And a goat, a donkey, and some chickens.
Thank you for telling us about your dogs! I don't have any dogs. I had a cat who was basically my life partner, she was so snuggle and purr, we knew each other so well, I could even ask her "show me" when I didn't understand her and she'd show me what she wanted (half the time, it was to take a nap with me XD). I lost her a few months ago and it's been really hard. I started volunteering at a cat shelter, though, and I asked to foster their meanest, fussiest cat, and when I brought her home her personality suddenly changed completely! She's now so wonderfully sweet and purry. I learned so much from my old cat how to make this cat feel comfortable and happy and how to help with her medical issues, it's a balm. I still really miss my old cat, though. I love them both so much, even though they'd probably dislike each other intensely (my old cat always hated cats, though she liked dogs).
I haven't been diagnosed but I know I'm neurodivergent, I either have ADHD or autism, or both, and I'm planning on going for a diagnosis. Funny thing is I try to mask and do a terrible job of it. I for example make small talk about the weather and share a bunch of statistics like the record high and low and averages for that date and then a bunch of other records for that month. Or some kind of event going on space-related and I go on an impressive tangent. I love to talk about space stuff so much I forget to swallow when talking.
I'm so thankful the interview process went smoothly for the jobs I have, I work at a planetarium and also do astronomy-related independent research. I suppose it's a field where a lot of us reside. Sometimes I like to joke that I'm an alien from another planet studying Earthlings as my real job. -I hope nobody discovers my secret, haha-
makes me shutter to think that "professionals" actually sit around and rudely judge me about petty things like eye contact in the irrelevant setting of a job interview
This is eye opening in a lot of ways
Please don't judge and discriminate against a person just because you assume they have neurotypical disorder. She's human, too. And she can't help it, she was born this way.
Show some sympathy for her, she's wasting countless hours of precious lifetime on small talk, while never being able to experience true joy while babbling on about an interesting topic for hours on end.
At least give her a chance, maybe she'll learn to mask her disorder and to better fit in. If she really keeps staring into other peoples eyes, you can just fire her and instead hire someone who doesn't think society has to constantly cater to their special needs.
(Jokes aside, I never realised talking about similar experiences was a neurodivergence thing. I thought it was normal to demonstrate you can relate to their suffering ...? 0_o )
The creaking chair would upset me so much omg
I loved Mrs Darris when I was in school, she's an incredible english teacher and helped me feel more comfortable in class when I came out as trans. Love the video!
Agreed. Ms. Darras is awesome!
Having just gotten passed over for yet another job after an interview that seemed to go well enough but just fizzled out...
I'm so sorry that happened so much for my daughter also
@jeffbrownsclassroom I'm sorry to her as well! It's really painful. It feels so personal.
“Edna mode. And guest. “ after the incredibles quote really got me good 😂 so real
Thankyou. 😊🙌 I was wondering how long the turtle worked at the school, and happy that movie quotes are an integral part of communication! also , I love that other humans try to relate by sharing experiences (good or bad) to show empathy, I thought it was just me. I would love to just be drawing and doodling when speaking with people, but I am not that brave.
excellent questions. The tortoise has been here for two years. And you'll fit in quite well with the movie quotes and empathy.
I didn't realize I did that, but I always totally want to hear when people go through the same issue as me.
I would have not been able to hold a conversation without snuggling the turtle. I want to know more about Master Shifu!
As someone with diagnosed autism in childhood, I could not finish watching this. Perhaps this would be better if it was made by actual ND people.
Ooh, love this! I so would have loved this interview! Think it would have gone quite differently though.
I'm sure we would've hired you
I wonder how many interviews for programming positions go like this.
😂 I would LOVE working with you!!
You should come teach with us!
NOOOO not the movie quotes 😂
Genuinely lol'd at the "eye contact" bit :) Great to be seen, thanks all
Is that a sulcata or a box turtle? Can I use comic books to teach English? Actually can I let the students teach me about their favorite books instead?
Excellent questions. It's an Eastern Hermann's Tortoise, but yes on the others
"Actually can I let the students teach me about their favorite books instead?" isnt that just a book report?
OOOOF. As a ND who is interviewing tomorrow this had me cackling! Trying to mask to not seem weird, trying to talk myself up, answer the questions "correctly", while still trying to be present & not disassociate from the anxiety is exhasting! I wish my interviews were with people more on the ND side. Be slightly less stressful at least
Good luck on your interview!
Hahaha kind of nice to see things reversed
I actually find eye contact to be rude because in my experience pointing your ear at someone makes it easier to hear them, which is a sign that you want to hear what theyre saying. Eye contact creates an arena where one can pretend to listen but not actually be by just nodding and making listening sounds, and that to me is disingenuous and disrespectful
I am sick right now and I've just realised how emotional it makes me.
Literally everything makes me angry or cry.
This *needs* to become the new standard!! 😊
Yes! This! Very spot on, very accurately reversed. I love this!! Plus, I laughed a lot even the sixth time I watched it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
While Museum Studies is not a path to wealth, my team & I joked that it is one of the most naturally neurodivergent professions. Even in training videos taken at other museums, we could see how much the field really is suited to neurodivergence. The really famous museums have powerful donors & board members and tbh are the most likely to be less tolerant of us, but the vast majority of US museums are not like that at all. The neurodivergence is strong & powerful in the field - to the point that the very normie types who are always in the middle lane of whatever is the US middle class standard - they look odd & less passionate among the divergent. Even the interns who rarely speak (we’ve become quietly known as an internship site for several majors if the student prefers low verbal communication & needs accommodation but doesn’t want to have to talk about it, which makes sense.)
Thank you for sharing this. This gave my daughter the courage to apply for a job at a local museum. She has a library science masters with archiving as a specialty but still has had trouble with interviews.
This was so affirming and just… I might cry. Thank you for normalizing us!!! ❤️❤️❤️
"Did anyone else notice she didn't catch any of our movie quotes?" Amazing. Why do I kind of relate to all of these people?
I wish job interviews were like this 😂😂😂
I love the space tie!
Thanks, my wife made that for me, so I let her know what you said.
These are my people!!! I smiled SO much throughout this video! ❤❤❤
her answers were suspiciously well-constructed and to the point. She must have been lying.
This video makes me feel seen, in a good way ❤
I'm so glad. That's the whole purpose is so that we are all seen.
That was just the best. Watching this omg. What the neuroT does is the mask I’ve put on for so many interviews because that’s what’s expected and what I’ve mimicked to death when I’m really more likely to go on and on about my cats and dogs and my current hyperfixation and the movie quotes… Fantastic video, gosh, if I’d been interviewing in there, we’d never have gotten out of the room, the interview would be endless info dumping. XD
I hate that the interviewee just sounds exactly like me during a job interview, despite me being autistic, because I mask just like that in order to get a job.
Does it work?
Yeah I'm a masking autistic also. It's how I teach unfortunately ruclips.net/video/nCRIM7LVlYs/видео.html I'm learning to unmask
I would LOVE to get interviewed by these guys.
You should come and apply to our school. Although I usually don't run the commitees
Punching the like button so hard
I love the Turtle!
Great video, I hate masking for interviews. Also I need that tie.
I woulda pet master Oogway
when she said "and an onion log!... ᵗᵒ ˢᵖˡⁱᵗ~" i almost cried 😂
Dream interview for me. I would be jumping at the chance to work here.
"I just don't think I could work with somebody who doesn't get our movie quotes."
Brilliant double standard.
Also, that's how I answer about my dog
Having these folks interviewing me would make the experience so much less freaky 😩
I was asked in an interview what i didnt like about my previous job. I told what i didnt like (how i was terminated a week after handing me 401k paperwork). I was denied for talking negatively about my previous employer. Apparently i was just supposed to lie. Why even ask a question when every succesful answer is going to be a lie
Wait, they're telling you *why* you went accepted?
yes unfortunately this is an area you are supposed to lie. Interviewing is a game that is focused on neurotypical social rules which is what frustrates me and so many of us. It's why I made this video.
@@sleepyote honestly that was a big shock. Mustve been a thing because it was through an agency
It is definitely a bit of song and dance, unfortunately. When I was an interviewer, I often would ask this question to see if there were any immediate red flags such as a culture fit issue or if I felt like the reason they left is too similar to the kind of environment that my org would be. We also had someone who told us that they had been working in a job where they weren't doing anything for years and proceeded to demonstrate a skills gap that led us to passing on that candidate.
My sisters and I and both my parents all had ADHD and we thought our weirdo behavior was normal until we started going to college
Thank you. As a ND person now I know how ive got to act to try to get a job. Just be like this. Don't answer questions with too much detail. Just be general. Don't talk too much
Even if I didn't get the job, a job interview with a turtle would stay in my heart forever 😭💖!
She paid no attention to the turtle then asked inane questions about your day. And homecoming. Then no details on passions. Neuro typical for sure.
This makes sense now why I am always hiring more neurodivergent people than neurotypical people in my department.
Customer service/warehouse job. It helps knowing I'm keeping us together and employed. 😂
Spot on.
I loved how the Herman tortoise (yes I’m autistic) keep trying to jump in for hugs 😂🤣
the sharing your own experience about the other thing is so real cuz how am I supposed to show how bad I feel without sharing my own experience 😭😭 (i am autistic)
Jerry's birthday is so close to mine!
Please make a video on how to do job interviews I genuinely have no idea, I lost 5/6 job positions because I have autism and I have no idea how to act like they want me to act. Acting like myself is obviously not good enough..it's very sad but it's the truth.
Same.
unfortunately I probably won't get to that but there are a lot of youtube videos that cover that topic if you want to look them up. Unfortunately it's usually about learning neurotypical communication patterns.