In what way did he understand suffering? He inherited millions and a peerage. He certainly had enormous compassion but he never had to do without a day in his life.
@@pendorran I take it that you never spoke to Tony. He was a remarkable man. Kind, non-judgemental, very frugal and 'unshowy' He was insistent on travelling 2nd class on the train, for example. This I found inconvenient. I don't know if you're familiar, but the seats there are very close together and the travellers often voluble and inconsiderate. I remember the sound of the scrunching of beer cans and vulgar language with distaste. There is no way I would keep such company voluntarily, unless in the company of friends. Such as Tony Benn. He saw it as his positive duty to travel in the style to which his constituents were accustomed. Great man. Great company too.
Some of the views he expresses would be considered 'enlightened' now....and yet this clip is from the 1990's - nearly 30 years ago. Hilary will have been a big disappointment to him, turning his back on the political principles his father expounded throughout hus life time. Way ahead of his time, Tony Benn.
@@maelughran6981 Hilary is a classic case of a son that couldn't live up to his Father's legacy so instead of trying to, he did the opposite so to differentiate himself. He'll be a Torrie soon!
Well.. what I took from this is that thank the lord for the progress we've made in the last 20 odd years, its heart warming to see that now we are more of a collected, homogenous, intelligent and respectable society.....lol
Can't help but feel like we've lost something from this era. It was completely ridiculous in its blinkered approach to a great many things, but I detest the shouting, loudmouthed kind of journalism that Paxman and murdocks media promote so much.
Nick Jones I don't think it was blinkered, I think it was far more intelligent, people don't seem to have the brains these days to figure out the more subtle issues.
@@luciatilyard2827 Take this clip as an example. Strip away the tone of the language and look at the substance of what was discussed. Were there any persuasive arguments made that gave you reason to consider a different point of view on the arts and zoos than you already had?
@@thehangmancometh1813 He was not even of the Left under his ministerial post, in fact the ministerial position was the very reason why he changed, coincidentally the end of senior Labour or government positions. Get the facts right.
.....with regards to the 'baffling' sugar plantation point..... the common man was baffled at the time , not just hundreds of years later. Many people had no idea what the aristocrats were doing in there name and when they did find out, the mill workers, tradesman and other poor folk, marched from there villages to London to protest (a very big deal in those days, they were all broke and walked it !)
Spot on. You had proper debate along a genuine spectrum of politics in the Day era. Dimbleby was the harbinger of an SDP coffee morning consensus where the participants cravenly compete over virtue signaling. Obviously he wasn't the cause of the stunting of our political spectrum but he seemed to wallow in it and his own perceived novelty so let's hang him. I haven't sat through a complete edition of that shite for years but I occasionally catch parts of it and far and away the best parts of those parts are when an occasional honest punter in the audience pulls up a panelist on their vacuous bullshit.
The three Tory's. Though Benn conned everyone to believe he was one of the "people".He drank tea from a mug to prove it, apparently.Eton boy, too! Rich daddy. "One of the people"!!LOL!
Sorry as a thatcherite I utterly reject your idiotic and childish attack on tony benn He can't be blamed for his aristocratic DNA You are unaware of real political figures Go off manchild with clever
You do know Tony Benn's biography? In order to 'con everyone to believe he was one of the people', he actually did a bit more than 'drinking tea from a mug'. Anthony Wedgewood Benn (Viscount Stansgate) abandoned his peerage and all the automatic privilege that goes with that in 1963, in order to be able to stand as an MP. For the people.
Busy working hard to get their kids a good education so that they could over take the slackers and WASP moaners who would watch this Oxbridge love in every Thursday night.
Benn = New College Oxford Fry = Queen's Cambridge Mellor = Christ Church Cambridge Sissons = University College Oxford Hughes = Selwyn College Cambridge. Of those five, only two were wholly educated in the state sector(if you ignore Fry getting expelled from so many schools in his troubled youth) - that's Sissons who went to a grammar school in Liverpool and Mellor who was also a grammar school boy. Nice to see such a well balanced panel. LOL. Okay - it's not as bad as it is today under Dimbley. QT was better back then.
Yes, how nice it was, they could have a nice civilized discussion without throwing mud around and calling each other 'racist', 'sexist' etc, all of which regularly happens on every show today. But yes, I suppose you are right, we should pick people based on their race, gender and educational background rather than their intellect and ability to hold a rational, civilized discussion and their ability to eloquently put across their points.
Oh I miss Benn not because I liked the guy but because it was brilliant watching this raging smart arse be destroyed over and over by Thatcher lol! Especially as the older he got the more he ironically realised how right she was about a great many things!
Lord Dipstick. You must have got him mixed up with one of the New Labour desperados. Benn never conceded anything but the worst to Thatcher. She was wrong about everything and her cult were a bunch of belly aching hypocrites who insisted on a state funded funeral for a women who told the electorate to stand and fall on their own worth. No thanks toThatcher we work for the Chinese Yen 24-7.
I don't trust free markets and I certainly down trust trickle down economics both are failed experiments Britain is nothing more than a tax haven for dirty foreign money, tax dodgers, and corporations we are the worst in Europe when it comes to income inequality thanks to stagnating wages in both the public and private sector plus over the last 30 years their has been a transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich.
@@stephendavies8510 Johnny Foreigner might be the virus . We all know the ones who let the virus out of the lab are British Politicians , across the political divide. Over the last 40 years.A changing of the guard will never solve the issue. Corbyn was the last hope and he was crucified right left and centre a good man but utterly naive to the unscrupulous and pitiless nature of those within his own party . The only solution is one that only Robespierre could have formulated.
good to listen to a debate where the studio audience are not bursting into rapturous applause every 2min.
Michelle Mylonas me want to applaud your comment
they werent dubbed or paid back then..
I feel like they should just ban clapping on question time or any tv debate for that matter
Or shouting 'out means out' or 'we knew what we were voting for!'
We have liars, corrupt, cronyism, incompetent, 3 word slogan (get Brexit done) in government now…big difference!
Tony Benn is a protector of LIFE and he understand suffering which alot of MPs don't.
In what way did he understand suffering? He inherited millions and a peerage. He certainly had enormous compassion but he never had to do without a day in his life.
@@pendorran
I take it that you never spoke to Tony.
He was a remarkable man. Kind, non-judgemental, very frugal and 'unshowy'
He was insistent on travelling 2nd class on the train, for example. This I found inconvenient. I don't know if you're familiar, but the seats there are very close together and the travellers often voluble and inconsiderate. I remember the sound of the scrunching of beer cans and vulgar language with distaste. There is no way I would keep such company voluntarily, unless in the company of friends.
Such as Tony Benn.
He saw it as his positive duty to travel in the style to which his constituents were accustomed.
Great man. Great company too.
Back when Question time was a rational debate not a slanging match of the ill-educated.
Imagine it in 2050AD though. It will resemble I'm A Celebrity. TV is a joke now. It was bad in the 90's, but at least we had The Sopranos.
So it wasn't just me who feels question time panels and audiences have dumbed down over the decades!?
It’s when the bbc hosted with a agenda when it all changed with a dictated show a great reflection of society and the the top
@looes74 looes74 WTF? Debating calmly in a well behaved manner is being a cry baby? What a twat you are
mediiskit that’s called being a racist!!!!
Goodness, the difference is stark isn't it. Just hark at the calm and lucid articulation of thought, and an audience able to take it on board.
Tony was such such a man of principal.
Tony Benn is a good bloke
The audience back then were well spoken, smartly presented and intelligent, in stark contrast to what we see today
Tony Benn. Best prime minister we never had.
hero
Some of the views he expresses would be considered 'enlightened' now....and yet this clip is from the 1990's - nearly 30 years ago. Hilary will have been a big disappointment to him, turning his back on the political principles his father expounded throughout hus life time. Way ahead of his time, Tony Benn.
shenmueso
, Well said...
Best prime minister to never have.
@@maelughran6981 Hilary is a classic case of a son that couldn't live up to his Father's legacy so instead of trying to, he did the opposite so to differentiate himself. He'll be a Torrie soon!
This is from 1991, read about it in Benn's diary.
Which would make me twenty one. I was a first-time voter, having been a year too young to vote in 1987!
What a Class Panel....When people spoke with conviction and compassion...Before social media turned everyone into zombies
Tony Benn as an animal-protector - I doff my cap.
Techno Demic Vegetarian, as is dear Corbyn, both heroes in my book.
But not the unborn.
@@17attewell who (other than Rees Jacob mogg) among the politicians don’t support abortion rights?
David Mellor always had a face for radio
ha ha
benn is so missed
Tony Benn is desperately missed. Desperately.
Well.. what I took from this is that thank the lord for the progress we've made in the last 20 odd years, its heart warming to see that now we are more of a collected, homogenous, intelligent and respectable society.....lol
Really.
I would have been in my early twenties back then. Remember Peter Sissons, David Mellor and Reginald Jeeves!
The greatest politician of my time.
Tony Benn, the best PM Britain never had...bless him.
Starmer is a pale shadow of his intellect...
SO--WE COULD LOOK FORWARD TO 'CYRIL SMITH' NEXT WEEK. AFTER THAT--ANOTHER BBC FAVOURITE--JIMMY SA-VILE.
Philip Croft Cyril has recently been probing problem boys at some depth, a mission he takes pleasure in.
Can't help but feel like we've lost something from this era. It was completely ridiculous in its blinkered approach to a great many things, but I detest the shouting, loudmouthed kind of journalism that Paxman and murdocks media promote so much.
Nick Jones I don't think it was blinkered, I think it was far more intelligent, people don't seem to have the brains these days to figure out the more subtle issues.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
We seem to have fallen so far, so quickly- what the hell has happened?
@@luciatilyard2827 Take this clip as an example. Strip away the tone of the language and look at the substance of what was discussed. Were there any persuasive arguments made that gave you reason to consider a different point of view on the arts and zoos than you already had?
Great man,rest in peace
11th April 1991
thanks
Shout shout then shout again baaaaaaaaaaah🍺
Was this the 1960s?
No. The 1980's.
11th April 1991
If only the great Tony Benn had the chance to put his ideas into practice. Life would have been so much better.
he did between 74-79 in a labour government and we all know what happened there don't we...
@@thehangmancometh1813 He was not even of the Left under his ministerial post, in fact the ministerial position was the very reason why he changed, coincidentally the end of senior Labour or government positions. Get the facts right.
These were the days
Imagine a world run by Benn and Fry, rather than by Trump, Farage and Marine Le Pen.
Yea we'd be just like Venezuela. Brilliant
+krileayn So true
farage and Ben are pretty inline when it comes to the EU
Jamie Barnes I'd love to but for fear I might be lynched lol
Yeah--It's called Disney World--GO THERE
Fry could be wrong on every point he made, but he'd make it so eloquently he would still get a round of applause at the end of it.
5:12 that's his question answered is it? Just no move on next question? OK.
A world outside London!? Goodness me - could you imagine such nonsense?
Non of my ancestors had shares in sugar plantations with slaves.
Get a grip it was using it as an example to show how society's attitudes change over time
Wow, they guy at 5:15 was immediately slapped down with a simple 'no'! He must have sulked on the entire journey home.
I find it hard to disagree with anything Stephen Fry says, a National Treasure
PUT IT BACK IN YOUR TROUSERS
Absolutely.... #guitarsnotguns
.....with regards to the 'baffling' sugar plantation point..... the common man was baffled at the time , not just hundreds of years later. Many people had no idea what the aristocrats were doing in there name and when they did find out, the mill workers, tradesman and other poor folk, marched from there villages to London to protest (a very big deal in those days, they were all broke and walked it !)
Possession of slaves on farms
I love stephen fry so much
TOO LATE--HE'S MARRIED HIS HUSBAND
Philip Croft i can still luv him tho
Philip Croft People can be... removed
TO THE NEXT WARD PLEASE.---NURSE !!
Last comment 6 years ago sad times
We seem to be rather immature these days. Serious and thoughtful discussion is increasingly difficult to find.
1:48 a teenage Dan Hodges in the audience
Still resembles Britain. How times change.
Lord o. Where's Dimbleby?
This is before his tenure. Peter Sissons did it from 1989 till 1993.
Oh for those days again. Look who gets on it now_ Russell Brand, Joey Barton,Nick Griffin. 😱
When a "British" programme was unashamedly English.
Working class music ,drama and comedy = junk arts (cheeky bastard's)
The show was great before dimbleby. A bullingdon boy ruined it guv.
Spot on. You had proper debate along a genuine spectrum of politics in the Day era. Dimbleby was the harbinger of an SDP coffee morning consensus where the participants cravenly compete over virtue signaling. Obviously he wasn't the cause of the stunting of our political spectrum but he seemed to wallow in it and his own perceived novelty so let's hang him. I haven't sat through a complete edition of that shite for years but I occasionally catch parts of it and far and away the best parts of those parts are when an occasional honest punter in the audience pulls up a panelist on their vacuous bullshit.
Bruce is far worse she's pretty much eradacated the premise of the program.
The three Tory's. Though Benn conned everyone to believe he was one of the "people".He drank tea from a mug to prove it, apparently.Eton boy, too! Rich daddy. "One of the people"!!LOL!
Tony Benn was as straight and as honest as the day is long. Possibly getting your Tony's mixed up Michael.
Sorry as a thatcherite I utterly reject your idiotic and childish attack on tony benn
He can't be blamed for his aristocratic DNA
You are unaware of real political figures
Go off manchild with clever
You do know Tony Benn's biography? In order to 'con everyone to believe he was one of the people', he actually did a bit more than 'drinking tea from a mug'. Anthony Wedgewood Benn (Viscount Stansgate) abandoned his peerage and all the automatic privilege that goes with that in 1963, in order to be able to stand as an MP. For the people.
where are all the muslims
Still in their countries waiting to be "liberated" by the USA
working
Busy working hard to get their kids a good education so that they could over take the slackers and WASP moaners who would watch this Oxbridge love in every Thursday night.
Not sure there are enough posh, Oxbridge white men on this one
"Not sure there are enough posh, Oxbridge white men on this one"
Why bring race into it?
Benn = New College Oxford
Fry = Queen's Cambridge
Mellor = Christ Church Cambridge
Sissons = University College Oxford
Hughes = Selwyn College Cambridge.
Of those five, only two were wholly educated in the state sector(if you ignore Fry getting expelled from so many schools in his troubled youth) - that's Sissons who went to a grammar school in Liverpool and Mellor who was also a grammar school boy. Nice to see such a well balanced panel. LOL. Okay - it's not as bad as it is today under Dimbley. QT was better back then.
Yes, how nice it was, they could have a nice civilized discussion without throwing mud around and calling each other 'racist', 'sexist' etc, all of which regularly happens on every show today. But yes, I suppose you are right, we should pick people based on their race, gender and educational background rather than their intellect and ability to hold a rational, civilized discussion and their ability to eloquently put across their points.
Ah yes, Stephen Fry, the convicted credit card fraudster.
Ah yes, because what he did aged 18 should outrank anything he's done since.
@@ghughesarch well I was honest at 18 as I am today. So are most people.
You mean you weren't caught. 🤔
tony benn the oldest mp and weren't Stephen Fry parents Hungarian Jews
Oh I miss Benn not because I liked the guy but because it was brilliant watching this raging smart arse be destroyed over and over by Thatcher lol! Especially as the older he got the more he ironically realised how right she was about a great many things!
Lord Dipstick. You must have got him mixed up with one of the New Labour desperados. Benn never conceded anything but the worst to Thatcher. She was wrong about everything and her cult were a bunch of belly aching hypocrites who insisted on a state funded funeral for a women who told the electorate to stand and fall on their own worth. No thanks toThatcher we work for the Chinese Yen 24-7.
I don't trust free markets and I certainly down trust trickle down economics both are failed experiments Britain is nothing more than a tax haven for dirty foreign money, tax dodgers, and corporations we are the worst in Europe when it comes to income inequality thanks to stagnating wages in both the public and private sector plus over the last 30 years their has been a transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich.
@@stephendavies8510 Johnny Foreigner might be the virus . We all know the ones who let the virus out of the lab are British Politicians , across the political divide. Over the last 40 years.A changing of the guard will never solve the issue. Corbyn was the last hope and he was crucified right left and centre a good man but utterly naive to the unscrupulous and pitiless nature of those within his own party
. The only solution is one that only Robespierre could have formulated.
Have you taken your pills ??
Revoke Article 50.
No.
So let's tax the working people of his country to pay for ballet, opera, and shit modern art that they wouldn't pay for voluntarily
You think working class people can't enjoy those pursuits either?
@@animatechap5176 If they do, then they will pay for them. If they don't, then they won't.