1: ender didn't know he killed the bully until after he graduated command school, the army had given him steel toed shoes and he didn't know. 2: it's speaker FOR the dead!!!
I don’t think you’ve worn steel toe boots before. There’s a huge difference between non steel toe and steel toe. For one you feel the metal cap in there, plus the weight of the steel toe.
I vaguely remember a bit in one of the audio books where Card said that the series was so complicated at points that he replied on fans that he spoke with directly to help him keep the canon events straight
I can 1000% believe that haha, actually I meant to put it in the video but apparently Card got stuff wrong frequently within his own world building because although it was interesting it wasn't as deep or had strong foundations like LOTR
I have love for the Ender Series but yeah personally some of it was a bit of a slog for me Shadows Series was a much needed reprieve and kind of going back to solid ground haha, back to familiar settings more focused narrative, yeah let me know what you think if you read it!
I liked enders shadow more than enders game. Maybe it was the trauma, but ender felt like an empty, shell of a person. Bean seemed more fleshed out to me
Ender's Shadow was really interesting on so many levels, seeing Bean's and other peoples perspective of Ender from a distance, and also how surprisingly cold and calculating Bean actually was, especially in even the more human and emotionally raw moments between him and Ender, yeah great book!
I liked the Enders Shadow series of books better by a wide margin. Easier to understand and was very interesting perspective of the aftermath on Earth.
33:00 In the Marine Corps this was on the commandants reading list. I never read it until after I got out, then it was an interesting retrospective as what the message the military found useful in reccomending this book. Of course there's the surface level messaging of training to kill, discarding and retaining empathy, following orders you don't believe in, and on officer Corps that always knows more than you. There were other themes I found problematic with the ethos we are ingrained with but thought maybe 70% of the content is worth discussing in detail. Maybe it's a better reccomendation for a Marine with a subpar asvab however after finishing it and debating on delving further into the series for myself I can see why this book originally intended for young readers could be one of many useful leadership development tools.
I don't know what you were trying to accomplish with this video. The focus kept on being "this book series is weird" and then listed some things from the books that were weird. Seems like you read all or most of them. I was expecting more of an explanation of the plots or how the characters changed throughout the books. As a person who read most of the books 10-20 years ago, I don't feel like you touched on anything substantive.
This channel is made to remind of things that faded into obscurity from our child hoods in order for us to go back to them or to remind us of them so that we can go back to them as adults. He touches on major plot points but doesn’t spoil everything. He wants to make us interested without telling us everything. Talking about the weirdness gives people a reason to check it out. I feel what you mean though
Yah. He argues empathy, for at least two races of aliens and an AI, but won't give the same empathy to members of the Human race who are LGBTQ. So hypocritical.
Ender wins because of his ability to understand and empathize with the adversary. Kind of the opposite of cancel culture. Hiding or censoring something is not the same as changing it. I avoid pure propagandists but am more than willing to listen to or consume media from people I don't agree with. It is how you understand the world and how society is possible. No one holds the same beliefs you do.
The two book series I envisioned working as an anime the most out of what I've read are probably 'Ender's Game' and 'The Dresden Files' Which in the case of Dresden makes alot of sense because Jim Butcher said he was influenced alot by old anime
@@exitsexamined I would classify Pastwatch:The redemption of Christopher Columbus as alternate history. I can't say too much without spoiling it. Enchantment is based on the Ukrainian version of Sleeping Beauty and other folk tales. Various forms of magic, potions, and immortal deities also play an important role in the story.
@@awolphotos That won't be a video. It will a movie trilogy. So much lore, and so confusing. And that isn't even getting into Game Workshop's bad faith towards it's own comunity. RIP Emporer Text To Speach.
I would cover it, it would take multiple hour long videos but the thing is there are SO many other interesting and deep tabletop and RPG settings out there that deserve more attention that I'd want to cover first. it's so interesting how in recent years 40k has been the one to dominate and be almost in vogue. I do wonder if a lot of has to be the accessibility with the massive amount of video games over the years that's let it slowly steep into internet culture. Sorry I have ALOT of thoughts about 40k haha
@ I agree, I first found 40k around 4th/5th edition by finding a codex on the shelf in the Barnes and Nobles game section. Nobody was talking about it, only Luetin was making videos about it, and hobby shops rarely carried it. Then in like 2018 it seemed like the magic crowd heard of it and then it became a “thing”. Space Marine 2 has brought it completely into the public eye, but so many of the video games before that barely made an impact. It’s kind of baffling, the writing really can fail and be inconsistent or completely overwrite itself in unintelligible ways, it’s a patchwork of tropes, and the game is a clusterfuck. You are right there are so many other settings deserving of attention. But it seems things always end up circling back to 40k right now for some reason. Keep doing your other setting videos, I loved your video on dark sun and this enderverse vid and I think those are more important. I just thought it was funny when you were talking about the issues of reading enderverse and my mind immediately thought of the nightmare that is the Horus Heresy/siege of Terra/pre-contemporary 40k
Ender’s Game was my favorite book growing up. I truly loved the Ender series and Shadow series. I didn’t make it through the Formic wars saga. I was put off by the movie. Ender is supposed to be tiny! The shower scene lost all significance. And the casting was just off in general. It put me off reading the last series. Glad to know people are still discovering and enjoying these books. Maybe I’ll give it another try.
Yeah I think the Ender's Game movie was a tough watch for fans in a lot of ways but it was really off-putting when Ender was like towering over most of the kids haha
I read the earlier novels (Ender series & Shadow saga) but didn’t keep up to date so I didn’t even know they did Formic wars. I didn’t mind the movie since by the time it came out I hadn’t reread the novels in awhile so I had a bit of distance. I was just glad they made *a* movie warts and all 😂
Incredible work as always!! So glad to hear you cover this series, to this day one of my favorite sci fi franchises, but I'd never heard of the "Alive" recording. Very exciuted to give that a listen!
Hey! I was going to message you, but actually you gave me the push I needed to actually cover this in depth, so thank you! Yeah would highly recommend Alive especially if you've been a fan of the audiobooks!
I liked Enders Game. I had to read it in high school for required reading. It was my first big taste of sci-fi. It opened the gate! I came back to it a few years ago - re-read Ender Game, Speaker for the dead etc then things just got more and more strange afterwards. The Bean series was pretty good. I liked seeing Enders life from another perspective. The Piggies arc was also really odd. I stopped reading after after either the Hegemon series or the Bean series.
The thing ive always loved about this series is that the more of it you read, the more you realize Ender was never actually the main character. I can liken it to the Dune novels. Paul, while being the figurehead, you eventually realize, is nothing more than the "lure protagonist" of the introduction to the story.
@exitsexamined yes and honestly I whole heartedly agreed that Bean was the actual protagonist. Also, in regards to Ender and subsequently his brother and sister... In the story of humanity and our government it played a more pivotal role. We find out so much more going back, as the author did, about the context. Ender was the tragic soldier/general. But, the war against the Fomorians was only a small part of the world building.
Sorry I just thought about the fact that Ender also sacrificed himself to protect Bean... And I regards there were nods in the original series that Ender acknowledged that Bean was better than him... It's a good narrative loop.
@@enriquehirshfeltikov2395Consider also the names given to the three Wiggans children. First is Peter (Locke) - the Rock on which the Hegemony is built. Then came Valentine (Demosthenes) - Valentine being a name commonly associated with love these days. Then came Andrew - a name meaning “manly strength” and implying “warrior”. Note also that he was “Ender” even before getting sent to Battle School, perhaps because of a young sibling having trouble saying “Andrew”? I’m not sure that was touched on, but it’s possibly the most egregious example of on-the-nose naming until JKR named a werewolf “Remus Lupin”.
@ I preferred Speaker for the Dead. While I enjoyed Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead had a lot more depth, culminating with the way societies honor the dead. I mean seriously some deep shit
I’m really glad the movie franchise didn’t take off for a few reasons. 1 movies are seldom as good as the books. 2 more importantly, by withholding good original idea stories from Hollywood, it forced their hand, to prove they cannot make good media, not on their own.
really...if the bugs first contact with humans was to kill us...well I don't feel sorry for them getting wiped out its like going up to someone to kill them and you fail, and you say "my bad" you deserve to get whatever the victim does to you
read the first three. well listened to technically. but anyways, shits simultaneously brilliant and insane. i recommend the series to everyone. it contextualizes really hard concepts
@ I read Speaker for the Dead and I think one more, but did not like them as much. I liked them, but they were not on my top favorites list like Ender’s Game itself.
I only read Bean's final book about 3y ago 29:20 I think everyone wants anime adaptations of stuff because you're not as restricted by realism. So many things will work in animation that don't look right irl, no matter how good your CGI is
I read this series when I was like 14, I remember reading while listening to Tron: Legacy's soundtrack. That mix is truly great, I would recommend 10/10
If ever there was a series of science fiction novels that overwhelmingly demands a long form, HIGHLY searialized format for any sort of live action adaptation an episodic long run capable medium like HBO, NOT a feature film.
I started with the short story as a kid. Then the novella. Then the novel and its sequels. Then the audiobook. Then the full cast 25th anniversary audio play with expanded content. Card simply cant leave his own books alone. He's released rewritten versions of multiple novels, and every time Ender's Game gets reprinted it seems he foes more tweaks.
I've read the majority of the ender verse books. Such a fascinating series. I still reread Ender's game itself from time to time, but have yet to reread any of the others. Also, completely unrelated, but the thought just popped into my mind because of a video I saw; you could do a "whatever happened to Disney's Tinkerbell"
Commenting at the beginning of this video so I don't forget to say something. Maybe look into the Edge Chronicles book series. The art and world of it is the hugest draw ever to it as well as the generational story telling at parts... Its just really good and theres a good bit to discuss! Although i cant stress enough how much the illustrations actually add to it. (They are not picture books, just have illustration pages that look amazing )
I'll have to check it out a bit more thanks for the suggestion! Looks like it's been going on a surprisingly long time up to pretty recently, added to the list!
Fair Warning for anyone reading - the ending in the last book sucks. The last book "The Last Shadow" is absolute garbage and many of the larger questions raised in the original Ender Quartet are not answered. You just get talking birds, and "evolved" humans that become shaved monkeys and can manipulate genetics to make talking/sentient birds - but they can't figure out pants. Thats not a joke. Thats literally what happens. Avoid reading it. Card cannot end his stories well. Did the same with the Homecoming series too. Last book was trash. Ender's Game 100/100 Speaker for the Dead 200/100 Xenocide 100/100 Children of the Mind 4500/100 Enders Shadow 100/100 Shadow of the Hegemon 100/100 Shadow of the Giant 150/100 Shadow Puppets 100/100 Shadows in Flight 75/100 The Last shadow 0.000000000001/100
I might check them out, I never considered it. What makes them interesting, is the series well and truly over? I was working on Discworld but at some point I need a break from decades long 40+ book series haha
@ the series is done and completed rather well. Honestly, this series can be held up next to books like foundation or Dune. The first book has a Canterbury tale sort of way it is told. Both the mystery and philosophical ideas prove captivating to many people. I read it 1st over 7 years ago. And still find myself talking to people about it.
I had to read Ender's Game in high school. It was probably my first introduction into "hard" sci-fi. However, while everyone else in my class was entralled with the book, I was deeply uncomfortable reading it. Part of it was because of the child n-dity but there was another part of it that I couldn't quite place. When I was in college I read his Gate Thief books. I enjoyed his world building and overall writing style. But again, something still made me uncomfortable. It wasn't until the last book where the protagonist does some absolutely disgustingly dispacable things and suffers no reprocussions and the book ends with a "happily ever after" that the feelings sunk in and stuck. Card HATES women. He views them as inferior and their only purpose to him is to be mothers and wives. And he doesn't even try to hide it. I cannot read or support an author whose views so blatantly bleed into his work. Card was my catalyst for "you cannot separate the art from the artist" because an author's personal bias will ALWAYS be in their work.
Orson Scott Card's book series should have gone further with "Book Movies"! ENDERS GAME was fantastic, but the reviews/Theatrical responses were weak, "The Speaker of the Dead" would have made a phenomenal sequel!
5:30 Ender killed *two* classmates, in separate incidents. The second one was that much more horrible because his minders knew going in what Ender would be driven to.
I think it’s time for (ENDER’S GAME) stories, to be made into an animated show now, and then later make it into a live-action show. I strongly feel that the prequel show should come first, then after it had come to an end, and then later the main character ENDER appears in his own show.
I'm trying to write a book about high fantasy set in a modern setting. In this plot, it's around 130 years after a cataclysmic even that happened on Modern day Earth, (Between the years 2020-2030) and magic appears on earth as well as a bunch of eldritch monsters and diseases that brings humanity to it's knees. After 5 years 50% of the earths population is dead, either killed by monsters or new diseases, and after 10 years only a little above 250,000 humans are left alive and society as we know it today collapse. Fast forward a century and humanity is nearing 1 billion in population again, but humanity as well as the environment has adapted to these new changes in ecosystems and magic. In this time a new profession is the most saut after job is Hunting. Hunting monsters specifically. They are bed time stories, legends and myth in real life. Children are the main recruits, namely orphans or people from family's who wish to make that contribution to humanity. Recruits are typically hand picked between the ages of 8-12, and are trained relentlessly from ages 13-20. In this book I'm trying to ask the questions that enders game seems to ask too. Is it moral to groom child soldiers, is it ok to kill if you and your species is on the brink of extinction. Is it ok to love your fellow Hunters if you or them can die in a moments notice? When is too much too much? Are we still the heroes if we commit horrible acts? I'm working on it, but it might be a while before I get the tone right
"If Griffindor actually had to fight Slytherin in tactical warfare in zero g which would actually be -- " ahem, for "awesome" please read "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality", which quotes that most famous line from the first book appropriately: "Why are you all standing upside down?" Much of the plot is a fix-fic for the original HP series where all (most) of the characters act far more competently, and a large chunk of the novels (which together really only span the first book's plot with some later book plots pulled forward as appropriate) involves Harry, Hermoine, and Draco leading teams (comprised of members of all four Houses) in (non-lethal) tactical combat under the oversight of Quirrel. Who is unspeakably awesome as he should in fact be (leaving out spoilers for a book series decades old now).
This book and the second book are one of 3 novels I've read in my entire life. Im 40+ years old. LOL Wow only 3 full books read and these were two of them. That said i loved it. THe movie too. After reading the second book you can tell how that would be extremely hard to convert to video. I had not moved past the first two.
Just finished book 3 so I had to stop this video at the 10min mark to avoid spoilers. I will continue watching after I finish the next book children of the mind
Let me know what you think of Children of the Mind! Many people have really different feelings about it, it's a beast of a book a lot of stuff going on in it!
@@exitsexaminedI personally really enjoyed it. Funnily, I read the whole series as a kid, and got through most of the Shadow series, up to Shadow of the Giant. Haven't picked it up in ages though. Might now though!
Orson Scott Card when a race of hive-mind bug aliens kills millions of humans: We need to revere and cherish all life and all different cultures and never let our own biases taint how we view life that is different from us. Orson Scott Card when a human man wants to kiss another human man: ABSOLUTELY THE FUCK NOT.
That’s actually not true. Not being in favor of gay marriage is absolutely not the same as wanting to bar people from living a gay lifestyle. It’s fine to disagree with him on gay marriage, but there’s no reason to try to add more to his opinions than is there just to make him easier to mock.
@@Free_Range_Hippo he said in an essay in 1990 he wanted to criminalize gay sex and to send a clear message to those who flagrantly violate society's regulation. I believe the essay was published in A Changed Man: The Hypocrites of Homosexuality and republished in A Storyteller in Zion in 1994.
@@Free_Range_Hippo It’s unlikely that his strongly held and frequently publicly-expressed view that gay people should not have the right to get married is his one and only homophobic belief.
I want to enjoy your content, but while using high end headphones there's a lot of clipping and popping in your audio. Trying cleaning those up and would probably be back for your videos.
Lots of people on here condeming the author for having their own political opinions, whilst not realising thats jusyt as bad as the opinions the author held. 🤦♂️
Can't ignore the Mormanism as an adult. A lot of the Bean stuff is.... icky at best. It's a shame the films fundamentally misunderstood the story, as it would have been nice to get a tv show or something exploring the world without those elements.
Aimed at younger readers? Eeerrrr, no. Please, stop comparing it to Harry Potter. The same mistake was done for The Never Ending Story. A book with kids in it, doesn't mean it's aimed at kids.
13:30 Did you read the book or not. The bugs were not hell bent on human destruction. They came to bring order to humans feeling bad for them. They thought we were aimless without a queen. JESUS did you read the book?
The boy was stupid to let the aliens live in the end. After everyone dying it was basically such a stupid war. Albeit humans started it because the aliens couldn't communicate properly until we understand towards the end.. they could've but the premises of the movie sucked.
Card also has a great horror short story compilation. I remember enjoying the first few books. I just read Children of the Mind recently, but I felt 10% of the book had something happening and 90% of the book was this rehashed cult of Ender... hey do remember that first book? hey do you remember those pequininos? hey remember that hive queen? that thing ender did 3000 years ago... most important thing ever to happen? Protagonists have to be compared to Ender (or be Ender, if you know what I mean), as if he's the center of the universe. I think Dune might have had that flaw, where sequels got a little too caught up in the mythos of the original that they weren't able to give enough new story. Too many Duncan Idahos.
Haha I hadn't conisdered Captain Underpants, maybe I could do with a break from some of these massive decade long spanning series, or is Captain Underpants also spanning decades? haha
@@exitsexamined They both write sci fi that has religious and philosophical ideas that blow your mind at times and are controversial. Wolfe was catholic I believe. I'd say they're both equally creative but Wolfe is technically a better writer. He writes a bit more poetically and leaves a lot open to interpretation. Most of his books are for adults. Book of the New Sun at least is like a medieval fantasy but set far in the future on Earth and all the sci fi elements are like magic. I haven't read his other books set in the same universe yet. It's hard to say one is better than the other though as far as an enjoyable read. I love them both. Card is more popular and Wolfe has a cult following. I haven't found any video essays on Book of The New Sun other than reviews so you might have the opportunity to be the first. Also Wolfe helped invent Pringles and I think the logo is based on him. He held the patent for years.
I have not read _Ender_ books (I saw the movie; it was bad; the 'twist' was the most obvious I have ever seen), but I have liked Card's _Tales of Alvin Maker_ books. They are well-written, entertaining fantasy in an alternative history North America with magic. PS. I know Demosthenes. I read a lot about ancient Greece as a child.
If you've only experienced the Endersverse through the movie I would highly recommend giving it a read at some point, the novel is much much better and has a level of depth and characterizations that the movie just can't get to, speaking of Demosthenes has a different meaning if you read the first book!
I love how you're like trying your hardest not to say what the sequels are. They're boring. If you go into them expecting enders game 2 prepare to be bored to tears. They're slow and meandering and nothing really amazing happens. There aren't really any stakes. Ender just ends up marrying some old single mom that hates him and then he gets old on this shitty planet talking to a bunch of asshole pig people. But if you want a cool fun time traveling war story check out the Forever war.
I guess it just depends on your personal preferences! Some people adore Speaker, some people Adore EG, some people prefer the Shadow series, just speaks to how different all the books actually are!
The Ender's Game Series does not jump all over the place. The "sub series" take place in order and anyone who understands the concept of relativity fully gets why there is large leaps in time. Also, The Formic Wars are divided into the first and second formic war. The 1st is a trilogy and the 2nd I assume is a trilogy, but the last book has not come out yet. You're also incorrect about the movie envisioned as a buddy cop thing with Bean. You are misinterpreting that Card realized a direct translation of Ender's Game to a movie wouldn't work and after attempting to fix it in various ways, realized that the Shadow novels did a better job of telling the events because they were from Bean's PoV. This lead him to create an amalgam work of the two where he took Ender's Shadow and made Ender the main character, rather than Bean...as convoluted as that sounds.
Ooooh, so i havent read the authors views but from what i hear in the comments section, its the type of opinion that brings out the typical "Waaah they hate my pride month" crying.
I love his work, even though there are some major changes between books. His personal opinions are his own and as long as it does not effect his work I do not care.
@@exitsexamined No only the books relating to the Ender's Game series, I tried to follow the chronological order to read the books as they appear in the series instead of as they were written.
So Card writes a Proper Sci-Fi series, and people whine about it? Clearly the work is a success, and Card was right! Oh, yes...the artwork is very good, and caught me up/
Yah, really weird. Why a boys shower? It's kind of creepy. It could have been a locker room after they got dressed, but still isolated and no adults. The inclusion of naked kids so many times is just creepy.
@@trite4654People have a right to find his repeated inclusion of naked kids and bath scenes creepy. Explain yourself being okay with it. It SHOULD be uncomfortable. See my comment above as to why it was also unnecessary.
I think the whole series is weird about sexuality with children, which then gets weirder when kids and adults interact in later books. I could accept that the Battle School kids were intentionally put in awkward situations to manipulate them, but then it keeps happening in other books and gets even more Freudian.
Given the topic of the video, and the series' emphasis on empathy, I can understand the impulse in this context to try to understand OSC's controversial opinions (particularly re: same-sex marriage) and encourage others to do the same, but I don't think there's any value in reading what you recommended (though I did). He said nothing that religious conservatives hadn't already been saying for years, if not decades. Anyone already familiar with the issue will have simply wasted their time, and anyone not already familiar will (at best) become more familiar with the arguments religious conservatives have always made. No one dispassionately reasons their way into bigotry. OSC didn't sit down one day, say "Today I'm going to decide how I feel about LGBT people and same-sex marriage," do a bunch of research, and then conclude that same-sex marriage should be illegal. His homophobia was there first, and over the course of his life he has collected reasons to retroactively justify it. There is absolutely value in learning about the social and historical roots of homophobia (or any other form of bigotry). There can even be value in learning the specific reasons people we're close to give to justify their own prejudices, because we might actually be in a position to help those people unlearn them. There is little to no value in learning the reasons OSC (or any particular public figure) gives to justify his bigotry, because they aren't actually why he feels the way he does, and even if they were, none of us are (or will likely ever be) in a position to meaningfully attempt to change his mind.
I can totally understand your reasoning and I get that. I think the reason I suggested people read his writing on it themselves is because a common thing I saw in some of the communities was people just echoing, "he's a bigot, etc." but they hadn't actually read he wrote instead only reading the news headlines, so was thinking people should get information first hand then make their own judgements!
great video! If you're looking for matieral check out greg stafford's glorantha franchise - a "mythological" fantasy universe inspired by psychologist carl jung and hindusim (and inspired the elder scroll series) that's experiancing a mini revivial
These books are awesome. So are the Alvin Maker books. its a shame the author is a complete dick. Google orson scott card controversy to find out why. Just be warned You won't look at him the same way again if you care about the issue.
This guy: "I was obsessed with this book" Me: "Nice, someone who get's osessed with books, like me!!!" This guy: "I must have read the fist book at least four times" Me (who read the first Harry Potter book 29 times before JKR went on her transphobia spree and other books even more often): "Well, the word obsessed can mean different things apparently .."
I believe that he was both bullied into writing more of the Enderverse by the publisher and his beliefs/ego/pride. A victim ego and a villain of pride.
1: ender didn't know he killed the bully until after he graduated command school, the army had given him steel toed shoes and he didn't know.
2: it's speaker FOR the dead!!!
Lol, I was thinking the same thing. Ender doesn't speak of death, he speaks FOR the dead
and Piggies is the human slang term for them why didn't he use Pequenino
You know if you're wearing steel toed shoes. They don't feel like regular shoes.
I don’t think you’ve worn steel toe boots before. There’s a huge difference between non steel toe and steel toe. For one you feel the metal cap in there, plus the weight of the steel toe.
@ and they are so cold during the winter.
I vaguely remember a bit in one of the audio books where Card said that the series was so complicated at points that he replied on fans that he spoke with directly to help him keep the canon events straight
I can 1000% believe that haha, actually I meant to put it in the video but apparently Card got stuff wrong frequently within his own world building because although it was interesting it wasn't as deep or had strong foundations like LOTR
Ender’s Game is absolutely not a young adult book. It is adult sci-fi.
It's probably true, you have to admit though it was popular in the YA audience
The book involving the planet full of people with O.C.D was a work of art
So crazy you did this video as I just finished Children of the Mind and am absolutely,,, confused after the 4th book. Great video!
@ I like how the 4th book ended, but the path Card used to get there was very strange. I am probably going to start reading the Shadow series next.
I have love for the Ender Series but yeah personally some of it was a bit of a slog for me Shadows Series was a much needed reprieve and kind of going back to solid ground haha, back to familiar settings more focused narrative, yeah let me know what you think if you read it!
@@BromarRamirez Shadow is just better IMO even if you never read the original.
I liked enders shadow more than enders game. Maybe it was the trauma, but ender felt like an empty, shell of a person. Bean seemed more fleshed out to me
Ender's Shadow was really interesting on so many levels, seeing Bean's and other peoples perspective of Ender from a distance, and also how surprisingly cold and calculating Bean actually was, especially in even the more human and emotionally raw moments between him and Ender, yeah great book!
I liked the Enders Shadow series of books better by a wide margin. Easier to understand and was very interesting perspective of the aftermath on Earth.
33:00 In the Marine Corps this was on the commandants reading list. I never read it until after I got out, then it was an interesting retrospective as what the message the military found useful in reccomending this book. Of course there's the surface level messaging of training to kill, discarding and retaining empathy, following orders you don't believe in, and on officer Corps that always knows more than you. There were other themes I found problematic with the ethos we are ingrained with but thought maybe 70% of the content is worth discussing in detail. Maybe it's a better reccomendation for a Marine with a subpar asvab however after finishing it and debating on delving further into the series for myself I can see why this book originally intended for young readers could be one of many useful leadership development tools.
I read this before joining. Commandant's list when I enlisted was very based.
Starship Troopers is on there too.
I don't know what you were trying to accomplish with this video. The focus kept on being "this book series is weird" and then listed some things from the books that were weird. Seems like you read all or most of them. I was expecting more of an explanation of the plots or how the characters changed throughout the books. As a person who read most of the books 10-20 years ago, I don't feel like you touched on anything substantive.
This channel is made to remind of things that faded into obscurity from our child hoods in order for us to go back to them or to remind us of them so that we can go back to them as adults. He touches on major plot points but doesn’t spoil everything. He wants to make us interested without telling us everything. Talking about the weirdness gives people a reason to check it out. I feel what you mean though
Talks about YA novels from the early 2000's, proceeds to show illustrations from Earthsea and Redwall. 🤣
Not to mention that Enders Game released in 1985 and the series had five books out before the 2000s.
I’ll never be able to reconcile the philosophy of Speaker for the Dead with Orson Scott Card’s opinions and diatribes.
Yah. He argues empathy, for at least two races of aliens and an AI, but won't give the same empathy to members of the Human race who are LGBTQ. So hypocritical.
it's absolutely bonkers how that came from such a closed mind.
It's because Ender is a better person than he is
@@alananimus9145 Yah. But he still WROTE Ender. That shows he is capable of being empathetic, and chooses not to be.
I am glad I have acquired all my Ender content through means that don't give the author a penny.
Ender wins because of his ability to understand and empathize with the adversary.
Kind of the opposite of cancel culture.
Hiding or censoring something is not the same as changing it.
I avoid pure propagandists but am more than willing to listen to or consume media from people I don't agree with.
It is how you understand the world and how society is possible.
No one holds the same beliefs you do.
And now I kinda want to see you cover Varley's Titan novels. Very weird but so dang cool.
The background music makes this video worrying to listen while driving. Makes it sound like something wrong with my car in the opening
The two book series I envisioned working as an anime the most out of what I've read are probably 'Ender's Game' and 'The Dresden Files'
Which in the case of Dresden makes alot of sense because Jim Butcher said he was influenced alot by old anime
I think an anime of both series would be wild, especially Enders Shadow
I loved Ender's game. Also Liked the Seventh Son Series. Card also has a few excellent stand alone books including Pastwatch and Enchantment .
Are they similar in tone and themes to Ender's Game? Maybe I'll check em out!
@@exitsexamined I would classify Pastwatch:The redemption of Christopher Columbus as alternate history. I can't say too much without spoiling it. Enchantment is based on the Ukrainian version of Sleeping Beauty and other folk tales. Various forms of magic, potions, and immortal deities also play an important role in the story.
Just wait till this guy hears about the 40k universe
@@awolphotos That won't be a video. It will a movie trilogy. So much lore, and so confusing. And that isn't even getting into Game Workshop's bad faith towards it's own comunity. RIP Emporer Text To Speach.
I would cover it, it would take multiple hour long videos but the thing is there are SO many other interesting and deep tabletop and RPG settings out there that deserve more attention that I'd want to cover first. it's so interesting how in recent years 40k has been the one to dominate and be almost in vogue. I do wonder if a lot of has to be the accessibility with the massive amount of video games over the years that's let it slowly steep into internet culture. Sorry I have ALOT of thoughts about 40k haha
@ I agree, I first found 40k around 4th/5th edition by finding a codex on the shelf in the Barnes and Nobles game section. Nobody was talking about it, only Luetin was making videos about it, and hobby shops rarely carried it. Then in like 2018 it seemed like the magic crowd heard of it and then it became a “thing”. Space Marine 2 has brought it completely into the public eye, but so many of the video games before that barely made an impact.
It’s kind of baffling, the writing really can fail and be inconsistent or completely overwrite itself in unintelligible ways, it’s a patchwork of tropes, and the game is a clusterfuck. You are right there are so many other settings deserving of attention. But it seems things always end up circling back to 40k right now for some reason.
Keep doing your other setting videos, I loved your video on dark sun and this enderverse vid and I think those are more important. I just thought it was funny when you were talking about the issues of reading enderverse and my mind immediately thought of the nightmare that is the Horus Heresy/siege of Terra/pre-contemporary 40k
Ender’s Game was my favorite book growing up. I truly loved the Ender series and Shadow series. I didn’t make it through the Formic wars saga. I was put off by the movie. Ender is supposed to be tiny! The shower scene lost all significance. And the casting was just off in general. It put me off reading the last series. Glad to know people are still discovering and enjoying these books. Maybe I’ll give it another try.
Yeah I think the Ender's Game movie was a tough watch for fans in a lot of ways but it was really off-putting when Ender was like towering over most of the kids haha
I read the earlier novels (Ender series & Shadow saga) but didn’t keep up to date so I didn’t even know they did Formic wars. I didn’t mind the movie since by the time it came out I hadn’t reread the novels in awhile so I had a bit of distance. I was just glad they made *a* movie warts and all 😂
Oh yes, as a reader of most of the sequels and prequels, this is one of my favorite series out there!
Incredible work as always!! So glad to hear you cover this series, to this day one of my favorite sci fi franchises, but I'd never heard of the "Alive" recording. Very exciuted to give that a listen!
Hey! I was going to message you, but actually you gave me the push I needed to actually cover this in depth, so thank you! Yeah would highly recommend Alive especially if you've been a fan of the audiobooks!
I liked Enders Game. I had to read it in high school for required reading. It was my first big taste of sci-fi. It opened the gate!
I came back to it a few years ago - re-read Ender Game, Speaker for the dead etc then things just got more and more strange afterwards. The Bean series was pretty good. I liked seeing Enders life from another perspective. The Piggies arc was also really odd. I stopped reading after after either the Hegemon series or the Bean series.
The thing ive always loved about this series is that the more of it you read, the more you realize Ender was never actually the main character.
I can liken it to the Dune novels. Paul, while being the figurehead, you eventually realize, is nothing more than the "lure protagonist" of the introduction to the story.
That's an interesting point, did you read the shadow series? Did you think that shifted and Bean was the main character there?
@exitsexamined yes and honestly I whole heartedly agreed that Bean was the actual protagonist.
Also, in regards to Ender and subsequently his brother and sister... In the story of humanity and our government it played a more pivotal role. We find out so much more going back, as the author did, about the context.
Ender was the tragic soldier/general. But, the war against the Fomorians was only a small part of the world building.
Sorry I just thought about the fact that Ender also sacrificed himself to protect Bean... And I regards there were nods in the original series that Ender acknowledged that Bean was better than him... It's a good narrative loop.
@@enriquehirshfeltikov2395Consider also the names given to the three Wiggans children. First is Peter (Locke) - the Rock on which the Hegemony is built. Then came Valentine (Demosthenes) - Valentine being a name commonly associated with love these days. Then came Andrew - a name meaning “manly strength” and implying “warrior”. Note also that he was “Ender” even before getting sent to Battle School, perhaps because of a young sibling having trouble saying “Andrew”? I’m not sure that was touched on, but it’s possibly the most egregious example of on-the-nose naming until JKR named a werewolf “Remus Lupin”.
His views on sexual degenerative disorders ( gay ) is the norm and not the exception in the west and even more so world wide.
Speaker for the Dead is an amazing book
Did you prefer that or Ender's Game more?
@ I preferred Speaker for the Dead. While I enjoyed Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead had a lot more depth, culminating with the way societies honor the dead. I mean seriously some deep shit
@@exitsexamined I definitely preferred Speaker for the Dead. Until reading it, I hadn't come across sci-fi book better than Dune by Frank Herbert.
I’m really glad the movie franchise didn’t take off for a few reasons. 1 movies are seldom as good as the books. 2 more importantly, by withholding good original idea stories from Hollywood, it forced their hand, to prove they cannot make good media, not on their own.
Ender's game was only written to be a back story for speaker for the dead. The author thought he needed more context for that specific book.
The whole point of marriage is excluding all others. You can't just change what marriage is or it just stops being marriage.
What did I miss?
really...if the bugs first contact with humans was to kill us...well I don't feel sorry for them getting wiped out
its like going up to someone to kill them and you fail, and you say "my bad"
you deserve to get whatever the victim does to you
read the first three. well listened to technically. but anyways, shits simultaneously brilliant and insane. i recommend the series to everyone. it contextualizes really hard concepts
Whoa so you never finished and read children of the mind? That is worst and best of the ender series all in one!
@@exitsexamined i keep meaning to go back to it
Ender’s Game was a fantastic book! One of my favorites.
Did you ever get to reading the other books in the series? I wonder how many people only ever got to the first one
@ I read Speaker for the Dead and I think one more, but did not like them as much. I liked them, but they were not on my top favorites list like Ender’s Game itself.
Me too. It was gifted to me by my mom, who was gifted it by my grandpa, so it's a bit of a generational thing for me!
I only read Bean's final book about 3y ago
29:20 I think everyone wants anime adaptations of stuff because you're not as restricted by realism. So many things will work in animation that don't look right irl, no matter how good your CGI is
I read this series when I was like 14, I remember reading while listening to Tron: Legacy's soundtrack. That mix is truly great, I would recommend 10/10
If ever there was a series of science fiction novels that overwhelmingly demands a long form, HIGHLY searialized format for any sort of live action adaptation an episodic long run capable medium like HBO, NOT a feature film.
I started with the short story as a kid. Then the novella. Then the novel and its sequels. Then the audiobook. Then the full cast 25th anniversary audio play with expanded content.
Card simply cant leave his own books alone. He's released rewritten versions of multiple novels, and every time Ender's Game gets reprinted it seems he foes more tweaks.
Say what you will about the film, the kid NAILED the reveal at the end of the movie
I've read the majority of the ender verse books. Such a fascinating series. I still reread Ender's game itself from time to time, but have yet to reread any of the others. Also, completely unrelated, but the thought just popped into my mind because of a video I saw; you could do a "whatever happened to Disney's Tinkerbell"
Commenting at the beginning of this video so I don't forget to say something. Maybe look into the Edge Chronicles book series. The art and world of it is the hugest draw ever to it as well as the generational story telling at parts... Its just really good and theres a good bit to discuss! Although i cant stress enough how much the illustrations actually add to it. (They are not picture books, just have illustration pages that look amazing )
I'll have to check it out a bit more thanks for the suggestion! Looks like it's been going on a surprisingly long time up to pretty recently, added to the list!
I've read some of these books. I remember one of them talking in depth about closed time-like curves.
Fair Warning for anyone reading - the ending in the last book sucks. The last book "The Last Shadow" is absolute garbage and many of the larger questions raised in the original Ender Quartet are not answered. You just get talking birds, and "evolved" humans that become shaved monkeys and can manipulate genetics to make talking/sentient birds - but they can't figure out pants. Thats not a joke. Thats literally what happens. Avoid reading it. Card cannot end his stories well. Did the same with the Homecoming series too. Last book was trash.
Ender's Game 100/100
Speaker for the Dead 200/100
Xenocide 100/100
Children of the Mind 4500/100
Enders Shadow 100/100
Shadow of the Hegemon 100/100
Shadow of the Giant 150/100
Shadow Puppets 100/100
Shadows in Flight 75/100
The Last shadow 0.000000000001/100
Can you do the Hyperion books?
Yes please. Not sure it fits this channel’s mo but it’s so good
I might check them out, I never considered it. What makes them interesting, is the series well and truly over? I was working on Discworld but at some point I need a break from decades long 40+ book series haha
@ the series is done and completed rather well. Honestly, this series can be held up next to books like foundation or Dune. The first book has a Canterbury tale sort of way it is told. Both the mystery and philosophical ideas prove captivating to many people. I read it 1st over 7 years ago. And still find myself talking to people about it.
Oh, and there’s only four books even if they are big. So it won’t take as long to read.
I had to read Ender's Game in high school. It was probably my first introduction into "hard" sci-fi. However, while everyone else in my class was entralled with the book, I was deeply uncomfortable reading it. Part of it was because of the child n-dity but there was another part of it that I couldn't quite place. When I was in college I read his Gate Thief books. I enjoyed his world building and overall writing style. But again, something still made me uncomfortable. It wasn't until the last book where the protagonist does some absolutely disgustingly dispacable things and suffers no reprocussions and the book ends with a "happily ever after" that the feelings sunk in and stuck. Card HATES women. He views them as inferior and their only purpose to him is to be mothers and wives. And he doesn't even try to hide it. I cannot read or support an author whose views so blatantly bleed into his work. Card was my catalyst for "you cannot separate the art from the artist" because an author's personal bias will ALWAYS be in their work.
having read the whole series, my advice to newcomers is to forget ender's game is part of a series and stop there
Orson Scott Card's book series should have gone further with "Book Movies"!
ENDERS GAME was fantastic, but the reviews/Theatrical responses were weak, "The Speaker of the Dead" would have made a phenomenal sequel!
5:30 Ender killed *two* classmates, in separate incidents. The second one was that much more horrible because his minders knew going in what Ender would be driven to.
I remember him breaking an arm on transport and killing in the shower but I don't remember a second death. Can you remind me?
I think it’s time for (ENDER’S GAME) stories, to be made into an animated show now, and then later make it into a live-action show.
I strongly feel that the prequel show should come first, then after it had come to an end, and then later the main character ENDER appears in his own show.
I'm trying to write a book about high fantasy set in a modern setting. In this plot, it's around 130 years after a cataclysmic even that happened on Modern day Earth, (Between the years 2020-2030) and magic appears on earth as well as a bunch of eldritch monsters and diseases that brings humanity to it's knees. After 5 years 50% of the earths population is dead, either killed by monsters or new diseases, and after 10 years only a little above 250,000 humans are left alive and society as we know it today collapse. Fast forward a century and humanity is nearing 1 billion in population again, but humanity as well as the environment has adapted to these new changes in ecosystems and magic. In this time a new profession is the most saut after job is Hunting. Hunting monsters specifically. They are bed time stories, legends and myth in real life. Children are the main recruits, namely orphans or people from family's who wish to make that contribution to humanity. Recruits are typically hand picked between the ages of 8-12, and are trained relentlessly from ages 13-20. In this book I'm trying to ask the questions that enders game seems to ask too. Is it moral to groom child soldiers, is it ok to kill if you and your species is on the brink of extinction. Is it ok to love your fellow Hunters if you or them can die in a moments notice? When is too much too much? Are we still the heroes if we commit horrible acts? I'm working on it, but it might be a while before I get the tone right
"If Griffindor actually had to fight Slytherin in tactical warfare in zero g which would actually be -- " ahem, for "awesome" please read "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality", which quotes that most famous line from the first book appropriately: "Why are you all standing upside down?" Much of the plot is a fix-fic for the original HP series where all (most) of the characters act far more competently, and a large chunk of the novels (which together really only span the first book's plot with some later book plots pulled forward as appropriate) involves Harry, Hermoine, and Draco leading teams (comprised of members of all four Houses) in (non-lethal) tactical combat under the oversight of Quirrel. Who is unspeakably awesome as he should in fact be (leaving out spoilers for a book series decades old now).
I get the Ender series being popular but I enjoyed Treason way more.
This book and the second book are one of 3 novels I've read in my entire life. Im 40+ years old. LOL Wow only 3 full books read and these were two of them. That said i loved it. THe movie too. After reading the second book you can tell how that would be extremely hard to convert to video. I had not moved past the first two.
Just finished book 3 so I had to stop this video at the 10min mark to avoid spoilers. I will continue watching after I finish the next book children of the mind
Let me know what you think of Children of the Mind! Many people have really different feelings about it, it's a beast of a book a lot of stuff going on in it!
@@exitsexaminedI personally really enjoyed it. Funnily, I read the whole series as a kid, and got through most of the Shadow series, up to Shadow of the Giant. Haven't picked it up in ages though. Might now though!
The Worthing Saga is also one of my favs from Card
The Shadow Saga is the best set IMHO.
What made it better you think? Just liked bean more? haha
@exitsexamined There was more detail than with Ender and Bean was a more likeable character.
Orson Scott Card when a race of hive-mind bug aliens kills millions of humans: We need to revere and cherish all life and all different cultures and never let our own biases taint how we view life that is different from us.
Orson Scott Card when a human man wants to kiss another human man: ABSOLUTELY THE FUCK NOT.
That’s actually not true. Not being in favor of gay marriage is absolutely not the same as wanting to bar people from living a gay lifestyle. It’s fine to disagree with him on gay marriage, but there’s no reason to try to add more to his opinions than is there just to make him easier to mock.
@@Free_Range_Hippo he said in an essay in 1990 he wanted to criminalize gay sex and to send a clear message to those who flagrantly violate society's regulation. I believe the essay was published in A Changed Man: The Hypocrites of Homosexuality and republished in A Storyteller in Zion in 1994.
@@Free_Range_Hippo It’s unlikely that his strongly held and frequently publicly-expressed view that gay people should not have the right to get married is his one and only homophobic belief.
Such an idiot take.
You didn't even make it to bean becoming a giant who could only live in space. And finding live male formix
Speaker is still my favorite book
Wasnt ender banned from earth to prevent nations and/his brother from using him to conquer the earth?
More or less
The enemy's gate is down.
I want to enjoy your content, but while using high end headphones there's a lot of clipping and popping in your audio. Trying cleaning those up and would probably be back for your videos.
Only four times? Those are rookie numbers in this bracket. Gotta punch those numbers up!
Lots of people on here condeming the author for having their own political opinions, whilst not realising thats jusyt as bad as the opinions the author held. 🤦♂️
Can't ignore the Mormanism as an adult. A lot of the Bean stuff is.... icky at best. It's a shame the films fundamentally misunderstood the story, as it would have been nice to get a tv show or something exploring the world without those elements.
Aimed at younger readers? Eeerrrr, no. Please, stop comparing it to Harry Potter. The same mistake was done for The Never Ending Story. A book with kids in it, doesn't mean it's aimed at kids.
It's probably true, but you have to admit though it was popular in the YA audience
13:30 Did you read the book or not. The bugs were not hell bent on human destruction. They came to bring order to humans feeling bad for them. They thought we were aimless without a queen. JESUS did you read the book?
He said, "seemingly hell bent." That means he knows that the humans misunderstood their intentions.
Creates a deep dive video on the Ender books.
Doesn't know the title of the first sequel.
The boy was stupid to let the aliens live in the end. After everyone dying it was basically such a stupid war. Albeit humans started it because the aliens couldn't communicate properly until we understand towards the end.. they could've but the premises of the movie sucked.
Card stood at the roots of the Internet as programmer, so in 1985 he known what is it very well.
Note: massive spoilers in this video!
Card also has a great horror short story compilation.
I remember enjoying the first few books. I just read Children of the Mind recently, but I felt 10% of the book had something happening and 90% of the book was this rehashed cult of Ender... hey do remember that first book? hey do you remember those pequininos? hey remember that hive queen? that thing ender did 3000 years ago... most important thing ever to happen? Protagonists have to be compared to Ender (or be Ender, if you know what I mean), as if he's the center of the universe. I think Dune might have had that flaw, where sequels got a little too caught up in the mythos of the original that they weren't able to give enough new story. Too many Duncan Idahos.
Please do Captain Underpants, or all the books by Dav Pilkey!
Haha I hadn't conisdered Captain Underpants, maybe I could do with a break from some of these massive decade long spanning series, or is Captain Underpants also spanning decades? haha
@ with the new Dogman movie coming out soon I think its a great time to take a dive into his work. And yes he’s been writing for a long time.
I slammed against Children of the Mind and pretty much stopped.
That being said, Speaker for the Dead is one of my favourite books, period. Except the ending is so ... open.
I've read them all
*edit watching this, 2/3rds. Didn't see the pre-serries
Love your videos. You should do one on Gene Wolfe. Book Of The New Sun one off the best of all time.
Hey thanks so much! I had never heard of it but I'll throw it on the list. How do you think it compares to Ender's Game?
@@exitsexamined They both write sci fi that has religious and philosophical ideas that blow your mind at times and are controversial. Wolfe was catholic I believe.
I'd say they're both equally creative but Wolfe is technically a better writer. He writes a bit more poetically and leaves a lot open to interpretation. Most of his books are for adults.
Book of the New Sun at least is like a medieval fantasy but set far in the future on Earth and all the sci fi elements are like magic. I haven't read his other books set in the same universe yet.
It's hard to say one is better than the other though as far as an enjoyable read. I love them both. Card is more popular and Wolfe has a cult following. I haven't found any video essays on Book of The New Sun other than reviews so you might have the opportunity to be the first.
Also Wolfe helped invent Pringles and I think the logo is based on him. He held the patent for years.
I have not read _Ender_ books (I saw the movie; it was bad; the 'twist' was the most obvious I have ever seen), but I have liked Card's _Tales of Alvin Maker_ books. They are well-written, entertaining fantasy in an alternative history North America with magic.
PS. I know Demosthenes. I read a lot about ancient Greece as a child.
If you've only experienced the Endersverse through the movie I would highly recommend giving it a read at some point, the novel is much much better and has a level of depth and characterizations that the movie just can't get to, speaking of Demosthenes has a different meaning if you read the first book!
@@exitsexamined Thanks for the tip. I might put the book on the list.
I love how you're like trying your hardest not to say what the sequels are. They're boring. If you go into them expecting enders game 2 prepare to be bored to tears. They're slow and meandering and nothing really amazing happens. There aren't really any stakes. Ender just ends up marrying some old single mom that hates him and then he gets old on this shitty planet talking to a bunch of asshole pig people.
But if you want a cool fun time traveling war story check out the Forever war.
I guess it just depends on your personal preferences! Some people adore Speaker, some people Adore EG, some people prefer the Shadow series, just speaks to how different all the books actually are!
The exit is 'down'
Ahhh. EG was my first experience with falling in love with a property and then discovering that the author was an absolute bastard. Good times. /S
A surprisingly common experience with authors haha
The Ender's Game Series does not jump all over the place. The "sub series" take place in order and anyone who understands the concept of relativity fully gets why there is large leaps in time. Also, The Formic Wars are divided into the first and second formic war. The 1st is a trilogy and the 2nd I assume is a trilogy, but the last book has not come out yet.
You're also incorrect about the movie envisioned as a buddy cop thing with Bean. You are misinterpreting that Card realized a direct translation of Ender's Game to a movie wouldn't work and after attempting to fix it in various ways, realized that the Shadow novels did a better job of telling the events because they were from Bean's PoV. This lead him to create an amalgam work of the two where he took Ender's Shadow and made Ender the main character, rather than Bean...as convoluted as that sounds.
Isn't it the ender quintet now? New book came out a few years ago
The movie was terrible and no one cared about his personal views except for people with too much free time...
Ooooh, so i havent read the authors views but from what i hear in the comments section, its the type of opinion that brings out the typical "Waaah they hate my pride month" crying.
I'll still never understand how the man who wrote the best books on learning to love and accept people's differences, is also a bigot.
5:56 You think the first book is brutal? LOL try the second book. They vivisect characters!
I love his work, even though there are some major changes between books. His personal opinions are his own and as long as it does not effect his work I do not care.
Have you read his other works / personal essays? Some of them are quite interesting
@@exitsexamined No only the books relating to the Ender's Game series, I tried to follow the chronological order to read the books as they appear in the series instead of as they were written.
Shadow Puppets was just an excuse for him to bash muslims 😂
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Video intro was interesting. Lost me before the half way. Don’t do this half baked thing. TELL US THE STORIES! That’ll get you views big dog..
So Card writes a Proper Sci-Fi series, and people whine about it?
Clearly the work is a success, and Card was right!
Oh, yes...the artwork is very good, and caught me up/
I have to wonder about Card, because he's so homophobic, but I remember a LOT of scenes in Ender's Game taking place in the Boy's shower room.
Smoothbrain take. Read his other works, like the Pathfinder series
And to be fair, they’re pretty gay scenes
Yah, really weird. Why a boys shower? It's kind of creepy. It could have been a locker room after they got dressed, but still isolated and no adults. The inclusion of naked kids so many times is just creepy.
@@trite4654People have a right to find his repeated inclusion of naked kids and bath scenes creepy. Explain yourself being okay with it. It SHOULD be uncomfortable. See my comment above as to why it was also unnecessary.
I think the whole series is weird about sexuality with children, which then gets weirder when kids and adults interact in later books.
I could accept that the Battle School kids were intentionally put in awkward situations to manipulate them, but then it keeps happening in other books and gets even more Freudian.
Given the topic of the video, and the series' emphasis on empathy, I can understand the impulse in this context to try to understand OSC's controversial opinions (particularly re: same-sex marriage) and encourage others to do the same, but I don't think there's any value in reading what you recommended (though I did). He said nothing that religious conservatives hadn't already been saying for years, if not decades. Anyone already familiar with the issue will have simply wasted their time, and anyone not already familiar will (at best) become more familiar with the arguments religious conservatives have always made.
No one dispassionately reasons their way into bigotry. OSC didn't sit down one day, say "Today I'm going to decide how I feel about LGBT people and same-sex marriage," do a bunch of research, and then conclude that same-sex marriage should be illegal. His homophobia was there first, and over the course of his life he has collected reasons to retroactively justify it. There is absolutely value in learning about the social and historical roots of homophobia (or any other form of bigotry). There can even be value in learning the specific reasons people we're close to give to justify their own prejudices, because we might actually be in a position to help those people unlearn them. There is little to no value in learning the reasons OSC (or any particular public figure) gives to justify his bigotry, because they aren't actually why he feels the way he does, and even if they were, none of us are (or will likely ever be) in a position to meaningfully attempt to change his mind.
I can totally understand your reasoning and I get that. I think the reason I suggested people read his writing on it themselves is because a common thing I saw in some of the communities was people just echoing, "he's a bigot, etc." but they hadn't actually read he wrote instead only reading the news headlines, so was thinking people should get information first hand then make their own judgements!
You're a fool and bigot. A stand against homosexuality does not mean a fear of homosexuality.
great video! If you're looking for matieral check out greg stafford's glorantha franchise - a "mythological" fantasy universe inspired by psychologist carl jung and hindusim (and inspired the elder scroll series) that's experiancing a mini revivial
Thanks so much for the kind words! Glorantha, never heard of it but sounds interesting. Did it ever have any adaptations? I put it on the list!
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These books are awesome. So are the Alvin Maker books. its a shame the author is a complete dick. Google orson scott card controversy to find out why. Just be warned You won't look at him the same way again if you care about the issue.
Hijacks?
This guy: "I was obsessed with this book"
Me: "Nice, someone who get's osessed with books, like me!!!"
This guy: "I must have read the fist book at least four times"
Me (who read the first Harry Potter book 29 times before JKR went on her transphobia spree and other books even more often): "Well, the word obsessed can mean different things apparently .."
Hey! Obsession can take many forms! But 29 times, jeez respect!
\*grabs popcorn for the whole art vs artist stuff\*
the movie was a bland misfire on all counts
16:00 I like him more now lol
I believe that he was both bullied into writing more of the Enderverse by the publisher and his beliefs/ego/pride.
A victim ego and a villain of pride.
forget #Locke&Demosthenes, give me #Calvin&Hobbes
So glad you got this lol
The movie is absolute trash and yeah I’m just gonna pretend it doesn’t exist
My favourite part of the story was the Ps2 games, Ender's Zone. Lots of giant robots. Also a collaboration with Hideo Kojima...
Yes, this is a joke.
There was some confusion in my friend group at the time between the two properties.