Like the ongoing missing comparison of the terrible 1960s overhanging bodywork van choices (Thames, Atlas, BMC, Bedford and Commer) we need to know relative wiper speeds of the three ''O"s ( Dodo, Kango and Berlingo.)
The head to head I didn’t know I needed? Well yes but it was quite interesting nonetheless. You didn’t say which was best or did I miss that bit ? Whichever it was they’re both useful family cars but look out for dodgy French electrics !
@@HubNut I’m not always a French car fan but there are a lot of Berlingo s on the roads ( much more than Kangoos , Caddy’s, Doblos etc) so Citroen must be doing something right. Agree with you about petrol engine on older cars,less complicated so less to go wrong.
Fundamentally it comes down to petrol or diesel - a carefully driven diesel Berlingo should give 60mpg on a run, something that no petrol vehicle of this age will get close to. The mean amongst us care about this a lot (and which one takes the biggest load)!
Surprisingly, allthough I am a complete Renault-nerd, I have only driven the Berlingo out of these two (I am a complete Citroën-nerd too, just never owned one... yet). Love the Berligo - the mum of my ex-wife had one very similar to that one, but in beige metallic. Now I feel compelled to try out a Kangoo too. The closest thing to driving one, was driving it's german cousin, a brand new Mercedes Citan - which I liked very much - my favorite non-EV Mercedes (and I have driven quite a few). I guess it was the obvious Renault-feel of it that made me feel right at home... and the lack of pointless luxury nonsense...
Nice one Ian. I must confess I miss some of the simplicity of some cars, These days everything is electronic and probably controlled by some silicon brain. I'm leaning to a van based car as a future consideration for both practicality and maintenance. With all the modern gadgetry including cameras and sensors etc I think we are becoming a tad reliant on them and loosing our skills to do simple things like parking a car. Many thanks for sharing.
Am looking forward to watching this. But before doing that, I'll say Berlingo! We have a 2016 Kangoo with very little mileage (inherited from a late relative about 18 months ago). We should be grateful to have it, but I find it so uncomfortable. Especially riding in the back. Rear seat is hard and so is the suspension - you get thrown about. Rubbish for long trips - up to now the longest trip we've done has been to the Normandy coast, from the south of Paris. That was enough to make me feel that I wouldn't want us to do a longer jaunt. We had use of a 2004 Berlingo about 10 years ago for holidays. It was excellent in comparison.
Nice video - as idiosyncratic as ever! I drove several Berlingos and Kangoos on French/Spanish holidays in the noughties. Both excellent family transport but the Berlingo/Partner had more room, and better ride comfort for passengers. Generally a more relaxing drive.
Oh I really want to pick the Kangoo for sentimental reasons because wifey had a van version few years back and I loved it. It too was a 1.5dCi and was a little flying machine! However, out of those two I'd have to go for the Berlingo, as that particular example is so much more well appointed than the Kangoo. I also think the petrol engine was more willing than the usually excellent dCi. As a quick aside, the second rear-view mirror in the Kangoo is exactly for what you said it's for - keeping an eye on those pesky kids. We had flip down one on the Galaxy we used to have and used to call it the "naughty cam"!
We have a 17 year old Berlingo from new. We went for the 1.6 Petrol engine not knowing that 17 years later I would be grateful that we did as the petrol is ULEZ compliant where as the diesel is not so we can keep this near prefect condition car going a bit longer. Although Under pressure from the wife and children to change. Great Video as usual.
Keep it - cars from this era are the perfect balance of reliability and simplicity. Modern stuff with touch screens, electronic driver assists, etc, I'd stay well away from.
I like how simplistic and cv2/R4 like the Kangoo is. Maybe more for shopping and short hauling trips. On longer rides The Berlingo is the one I guess. In Ian's place I'd go for a Picasso or C5, it's more interesting imo.
In the area of France where I live these are absolutely everywhere, although I'd say the Berlingo outnumbers the Kangoo. Country folks definitely value their practicality, and these are roomy inside while being small enough for small country lanes. Perfect !
Berlingo! Well, I have this generation as a daily, with 4x4 and 1.6 HDI 90, with 270.000km on the clock. Fun to drive on our curvy mountain roads, quite agile and handles like a normal car. And I can transport my racing motorbike in the trunk, it surprises everybody!
@@stephenfoster4255 I think it should work. My S1000RR is 2075mm long and 1200mm high. The 2024 CRF250 is 2180mm long and 1265mm high. But if you remove the side mirrors, it seems that the height is about 1200mm, right? The CRF is 100mm longer, but I think it can work, I have a little margin with mine. Maybe for your case the bike should stay straight in the trunk. Mine parks just on the side stand (with only one strip on each side to tighten it), and takes more space then. Just note that the bike fits diagonally in the trunk. I load straight, on the trunk floor there is a U-shape rail sliding on it, which can rotate the whole bike to put it diagonally without effort.
@HarikenRed1 cheers bud . Since I done suspension she is super high!! " the bike " I'm going to get a berlingo. Mega cheap and easy to fix . Getter that the vw overrated shite
@@stephenfoster4255 I was thinking of the VW Caddy before buying the Berlingo too. But the price and the overcomplicated engines/service, and the need of special tools gave me a headache. Globally the phase 1.2 Berlingo is reliable. Just the rear swingarms must be done after some years. But I do it by myself, it's not so complicated. Hope it will work for you buddy!
I'd pick the Kangoo. I ran a Megane with that 1.5Dci engine for a couple of years, and its a great engine for high mileage motorway work. But the modu-top on the Berlingo is cool, even though I'm not sure what I'd actually put in it, and it seemed a bit flimsy.
Next battles Berlingo vs Fiat Doblo and Berlingo vs Transit Connect Tourneo mk1 shape I don't know if there was a passenger variant of a Vauxhall Combo but that could also be a contender if it exists
Berlingo every time for me! I had a nice M49 petrol which lasted me 20 years and was still good when I recently sold it. Now got a B9 1.6 XTR diesel which is really superb (apart from the worst "triangle of doom" you've ever seen!). My friend had a Kangoo but it wasn't built as strong and she had few problems. Great comparison video. Thanks!
@@flatheadV8 Well explained. Appreciated. I recall that the correct sizes for the wiper for M59 was 22 Inch for driver's wide and 18, or was it 16? for the passenger side I didn't have an issue. I had the Partner for 11 years - got totalled in an accident 400k kms later, but I had a blast.
Both vehicles have a lot of appeal, but I'd go for the Berlingo due to the Modutop. Tango in the Night is my favourite Fleetwood Mac album, because Eighties, but I also really like Tusk, because I like weirdness ^^
Neither, I have a 2016 Fiat Doblo T-Jet: slightly larger in all directions and more square than the Berlingo, making it ever so practical, 1.4 turbo-petrol engine providing good torque from 2k rpm and pulling through all the way past 5k rpm if you so desire, yet no EGR, no direct injection, no variable valve anything, so still a quite simple engine, which is combined with a 6-speed gearbox. Downside is the rather stiff suspension, it's definitely not a French car. It does have independent bi-link rear suspension and overall a great platform though, so it handles really well around corners. Oh, and most of all: no triangle of doom, while unlike the Kangoo the passenger side wiper does reach the top of the windscreen. It isn't economical on the go go juice, but I have an LPG-conversion. The windows in the sliding doors roll down if you have seats there (mine's a van with fixed windows), the rear side windows are always fixed.
Berlingo/Partners outsell Kangoos probably 20:1 in Costa Rica, and are frequently used as taxis. The PSA products are better finished, significantly more durable, and better supported in the market.
Berlingo all the way for me! No brainer... Better build quality, although French still, so all a bit iffy I guess. 1.6 is a strong engine, but what about the Fiat Doblo? 1.3 jtdm, or bulletproof 1.9 jtdm that is capable of going to the moon and back with minimal maintenance! Even more space in the Doblo too, better kit levels and due to rabid depreciation it will be cheaper age and mileage compared... Just that they ate rarer to come by... Kangoo? Kangdon't in my opinion... 😅
In my opinion Renault is way ahead of PSA these days ..... look at the Mercedes Citan .... Mercedes wont ever choose for a shitty platform .. that's why the Citan is literally a Kangoo with a Benz nose and steeringwheel
You can easily make any car wash the wrong windscreen by mixing up the hoses or electrical connecors when you change the washer pumps. I did that on my mondeo becauseI thought it was done wrong from the factory but it didnt really work well in practice anyway.
My mum actually had a Renault Kangoo cargo in the mid-to-late '00s for a florist business she was briefly a part of. It became something of a local icon. For a time it was our only car so I also very nearly learned to drive in it! (though I didn't end up learning to drive as a teenager and I'm only doing it now in my 30s. ^^; ) I believe it was indeed the turbo-diesel like this one too. Unfortunately the passenger MPV versions of these vehicles have never been all that popular here in Australia; a lot of them straight up weren't even sold here in that spec for the longest time. I know the Volkswagen Caddy California has a following here though, so maybe that could be changing.
Now you have to try a Mk1 Doblo in order to 'get the set'. I'm afraid I can't offer mine as it's now permanently in 'limp' mode and not likely to be fixed as it won't be any use to me after August. Anyway, I think you'd prefer the 1.9. It would be interesting to see how the basic leaf spring rear end stacks up for ride and handling.
Is the MK1 Doblo leaf spring at the back? That's funny how they went from very oldskool utilitarian to over the top with the bi-link rear suspension in the 2010 and 2015 model, and now back to the average rear-axle in the Stellantis one.
@@Candisa Yes but I guess it's not really the Fiat designers' call now they're all the same platform. I find the leaf springs perfectly adequate and there's very little to go wrong.
I think the 1st Berlingo got a 1.8 petrol aswell, don't think they sold well so maybe hard to find now, but pretty sure the 1.8 was an 8 valve , so should be quite torquey
There’s even a Nissan version of this shape Kangoo called the Kubistar and also some can be sold in automatic compared to the berlingo/partner which don’t have an automatic option
I would prefer the Berlingo myself. Love all that storage space in the roof and under the floor - and the under floor storage is also a good place to transport your goldfish apparently. ( I once had a Mitsubishi Galant that allowed you to transport goldfish in the boot if you removed the spare wheel) I have never really liked Renault's, probably due to my experiences with them back in the 80's and early 90's. I used to drive a Transit van for work back then, but when it went in for a service we used to get a Renault Traffic as a courtesy van, it was like driving a tin can down the road, sound levels inside were appalling, and the foot pedals were off-set to the left, making for a horrid driving experience. We also had Renault Laguna's on the fleet, they were let down by the pedals again being off-set to the left, and also the fact the pedals were so close together you were forever hitting two pedals at once. And finally we got a Kangoo, the noise level inside was horrible, and the suspension thudded it's way over irregularities in the road. Those experiences put me off Renault's for life, probably unfairly because no doubt some of their later cars were much nicer.
@Retired Bore Yaris verso m8, usually gold lol, like a tardis and ultra reliable :) had mine 12 years lol it just wont die, fitted wardrobes n washing machines in it lol i fear this may be its final year as rust is starting to get the better of the sills :( 2001
The K9K Renault/Nissan 1.5 dCi unit evolved a lot over the years, with refinement improving along the way. Later installations were pretty good at isolating NVH.
Thanks Ian, very informative video, I’ve had the opportunity to drive similar examples of the Berlingo 1.6 petrol and Kangoo 1.5 and I think I agree with your comments, the Berlingo is nicer to drive, my ex had a Berlingo 1.6 petrol and it was pleasant to drive and own, plenty of storage capacity and a good all rounder. I’ve driven the van version 1.5 Kangoo and it was pleasant, the interior I think is a bit lighter and simple which I think I prefer. The 1.5 dci engine I think is a tad wheezy in anything bigger than a Clio, best going for the bigger Diesel engine or a bigger petrol.
With the amount of space and overhead storage both these cars would be good if you were thinking or indeed being forced to be homeless and living in your car. which a lot of folk are having to do. The overhead lockers are a game changer for this purpose.
Ive had both Kangoos and 'Lingos. The 2 berlingos I had were faultless for the whole time I had them, a 1.9 and 2.0d and the Kangoo I had (on less miles) was a continuous pain in the ass. 3 gearboxes, 2 bottom ball joints and eventually an engine as the pump disintegrated. Berlingo all the way would buy another frugal 1.9d tomorrow!
For the time me and my family had owned a Berlingo Multispace 1.6 16V, it was one reliable and dependable drive let me tell ya! it was quite nimble for what it was worth, was pretty fun to drive despite it`s outer Diemensions, and on top of that, had held us over 20 years and almost 180.000 miles. Sadly the car was getting weaker, older and sadly more brittle. Sold it for 700€ to an export, it was taken away, with me and my mom having tears in our eyes, as we knew we were going to miss our old friend. One who had carried me since the Childhood. Eitherway, i hope wherever our lil Berlingo is heading now, he will keep on running, and keep being the reliable Family Transport it always was.
What annoys me in these cars is the totally pointless height. Because when you look honnestly you can see that Ian has huge headroom when he sits in the car, so much in fact he could probably wear a high hat. But in almost ALL cases the genereus headroom stays UNUSED. (Ian even said it himself!) So why have it in the first place? Why not just buy a 307 SW? Or 308SW? Equally roomy inside except for normal headroom. Maybe i am missing something? Maybe the commercial van version can actually properly use the height?
I have had both, both diesel. Preferred the Renault as the gear change was smoother and the switches better. Once you accept you have a van with a seat in the back their a great practical vehicle. The Kangoo rear seat folds flat into the floor whereas you have to remove the seats in the Berlingo to get the same space.
i have the same model as Jono but with the 1.9 diesel (no turbo) runs quite well, very much like a 2cv in performance, lots of space, lots of storage, lots of fun 🙂
I drove a 1st gen Partner van round Europe as a wide load escort vehicle back in 97. One of the best and most reliable vehicles I ever drove doing a couple of thousand miles a week! The only annoying thing was the keypad immobiliser which was set at the default of 1111 and served no purpose whatsoever...
It’s a tough choice. I would have said Berlingo but I already own one and a lot of things have broken, are leaking or don’t work anymore. However I like the 1.4 petrol engine. It was dual fuel originally but I don’t bother with the LPG anymore. The engine design is very traditional and simple to work on, except for the ECU which controls all sorts of things unnecessarily, like the cooling fan. I like the Renault Kangoo design and the smaller size of it. Looks very use friendly and I wouldn’t mind the engine noise or the lower power. Probably very economical, so it would be the Kangoo for me.
Had a 2002 berlingo multispace 1.9 diesel non turbo Excellent car got it with 92k got rid of it 11 yrs later with a 195k. Then got a 2005 Peugeot partner 1.6hdi. No way near as good as the older berlingo
This is way better than top gear…. I prefer the interior of the 2nd gen Berlingo. A good diesel is still good and can sound fine…but that Renault 1.5 diesel…..not so much. ….so a long term question I have had about cars like this…..with all that space, you might be expecting to load them up, making them heavy….meaning a diesel engine would make by far the most sense. What would be the point of a modest petrol engine…especially say 1.3 or 1.4?…..unless your using it to transport 💐 (almost no weight but u still need the space). …Ooops, then again we won’t have such choices to make by end of the decade with the switch or electric 💷💷💷😬 PS, at the start, were u hinting at diesel/turbo-diesel probs limiting their longevity compared with the petrol option? Years ago, the diesel was considered the much longer lived with a couple of petrol exceptions, Volvo redblock etc. Are modern diesels too complex for their own good and undermine their longevity?
Citroen as engine wise the Diesels are better. It wasn't until the 2.0dCI that Reneault's diesels became good again. The 1.9dCi of that era was DREADFUL. So bad that it almost ruined the company. It's successor however was really good :) . But it leaves me biased against Renaults from the era.
It is hard to choose as both are attractive and practical. The slight width advantage of the Berlingo might just sway it but I wouldn't call it a deal breaker because of how both of these little vehicles make a Peugeot 208, Ford Fiesta or Vauxhall Corsa seem very cramped, impractical and expensive in comparison.
Berlingo. Also its sister van, the Peugeot Partner. Every time. I will never ever buy a Renault. Renault were great when making little basic cars like the 4 and the 5 and even the early clios but as soon as cars got a bit more complex Renaults became lemons. Sometime in the early 2000s from memory. We had a 1999 Partner and now have a 2011 Berlingo, both work van models. They're not perfect, but they're better than a Renault.
Can you believe in Argentina is exactly the same versus polemicize ? Renault Kangoo is best selling 'cause it has a cheaper sticker price for acquisition at official dealers . The Berlingo is a quite best buy , infact i work at a Mechanic's parcel area , we saw very often those Renault Kangoo at idle for everything. Mechanic told me that thanks to Renault's his wallet gets fat and is a good profit for him , instead of Citroen's being very healthy vehicles . So amazing your discusion resembles the same discusion in SouthAmerica , true compliments so appreciated mister Hubnut
The 1.5dci is notoriously shite. The 1.6 PSA diesel is definitely better especially the newer version of it. Far from perfect but better. I did over 100k in my focus with that dv6 engine never skipped a beat.
My brother has a 1.4 petrol Peugeot Partner and it is slow! I’ve got a 6-month old petrol Berlingo 8-speed auto and it’s quite quick! My first petrol after 30 years of diesel - the Adblue stuff on new diesels is too complicated for a long life
The BIG question (somebody may have already asked) is when will you drive a Fiat Doblo for comparison? My brother-in-law had one a while back and bought it because he reckoned it was bigger than either the Kangoo or the Berlingo (not sure if he looked at the Multispace though).
I hate the kangoo. Feels incredibly cheaply made (because it is) and the dash is pretty impractical too. The Berlingo/Partner has always been a great van, well put together and a well thought out interior. Neither could hold a candle to a transit though.
I hate the kangoo. Feels incredibly cheaply made (because it is) and the dash is pretty impractical too. The Berlingo/Partner has always been a great van, well put together and a well thought out interior. Neither could hold a candle to a transit though.
1.5 dci Almera 2006 hubnutter here - it is an absolutely lovable engine. Too bad the interior electrics aren't as good - flashing airbag of death, anyone ?
If I operate the rear washer on my Duster I get water on the windscreen instead........ from two of the four jets........ it may be Romanian but it retains its French roots
![2011 Renault Kangoo 1.5 DCi (50kW) POV 4K [Test Drive Hero] #129 ACCELERATION, ELASTICITY & DYNAMIC](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uKbUe1W4loU/mqdefault.jpg)
Classic Hubnut: informed; entertaining; insightful; relevant. Thank you Ian.
Silly bugger
This is also my opinion. That's why I like Ian's videos so much.
The ceiling storage in the Kangoo is like the overhead lockers on a plane 😂
Absolutely brilliant video Ian ❤️ 👍 it's difficult which to go for both great vans brilliant
Like the ongoing missing comparison of the terrible 1960s overhanging bodywork van choices (Thames, Atlas, BMC, Bedford and Commer) we need to know relative wiper speeds of the three ''O"s ( Dodo, Kango and Berlingo.)
The head to head I didn’t know I needed? Well yes but it was quite interesting nonetheless. You didn’t say which was best or did I miss that bit ? Whichever it was they’re both useful family cars but look out for dodgy French electrics !
I rather wussed out of picking a fave. They're both pretty good at what they do.
@@HubNut I’m not always a French car fan but there are a lot of Berlingo s on the roads ( much more than Kangoos , Caddy’s, Doblos etc) so Citroen must be doing something right. Agree with you about petrol engine on older cars,less complicated so less to go wrong.
Fundamentally it comes down to petrol or diesel - a carefully driven diesel Berlingo should give 60mpg on a run, something that no petrol vehicle of this age will get close to. The mean amongst us care about this a lot (and which one takes the biggest load)!
Surprisingly, allthough I am a complete Renault-nerd, I have only driven the Berlingo out of these two (I am a complete Citroën-nerd too, just never owned one... yet). Love the Berligo - the mum of my ex-wife had one very similar to that one, but in beige metallic. Now I feel compelled to try out a Kangoo too. The closest thing to driving one, was driving it's german cousin, a brand new Mercedes Citan - which I liked very much - my favorite non-EV Mercedes (and I have driven quite a few). I guess it was the obvious Renault-feel of it that made me feel right at home... and the lack of pointless luxury nonsense...
Nice one Ian. I must confess I miss some of the simplicity of some cars, These days everything is electronic and probably controlled by some silicon brain. I'm leaning to a van based car as a future consideration for both practicality and maintenance. With all the modern gadgetry including cameras and sensors etc I think we are becoming a tad reliant on them and loosing our skills to do simple things like parking a car. Many thanks for sharing.
Berlingo with the 1.9 diesel is the choice for you sir
The berlingo is clearly better. It has an integrated footbath.
I was thinking surely 5 sunroofs means more chance of leaking, then you opened the rear seat storage 'tank'
This is the kind of stuff we come to HubNut for - joint test of two out of production slightly shabby vans with windows lol
Am looking forward to watching this. But before doing that, I'll say Berlingo! We have a 2016 Kangoo with very little mileage (inherited from a late relative about 18 months ago). We should be grateful to have it, but I find it so uncomfortable. Especially riding in the back. Rear seat is hard and so is the suspension - you get thrown about. Rubbish for long trips - up to now the longest trip we've done has been to the Normandy coast, from the south of Paris. That was enough to make me feel that I wouldn't want us to do a longer jaunt. We had use of a 2004 Berlingo about 10 years ago for holidays. It was excellent in comparison.
Not much between either of these, but I'd have the Kangoo as, for me, the dashboard garden edges it.
For me it's a Fiat Doblo (without seeing the video). Such a nice and industrial looking thing, pls do a review!
Nice video - as idiosyncratic as ever! I drove several Berlingos and Kangoos on French/Spanish holidays in the noughties. Both excellent family transport but the Berlingo/Partner had more room, and better ride comfort for passengers. Generally a more relaxing drive.
Never driven either but I'd rather have the Berlingo on the looks and interior alone.
There's a 12v port AND a cigar lighter in the M59.
I was going to say as well!
Oh I really want to pick the Kangoo for sentimental reasons because wifey had a van version few years back and I loved it. It too was a 1.5dCi and was a little flying machine! However, out of those two I'd have to go for the Berlingo, as that particular example is so much more well appointed than the Kangoo. I also think the petrol engine was more willing than the usually excellent dCi.
As a quick aside, the second rear-view mirror in the Kangoo is exactly for what you said it's for - keeping an eye on those pesky kids. We had flip down one on the Galaxy we used to have and used to call it the "naughty cam"!
Cool road test à la française. When I need a transporter, I know now what to choose. Thanks, Ian! 🇫🇷🚗🇫🇷
We have a 17 year old Berlingo from new. We went for the 1.6 Petrol engine not knowing that 17 years later I would be grateful that we did as the petrol is ULEZ compliant where as the diesel
is not so we can keep this near prefect condition car going a bit longer. Although Under pressure from the wife and children to change. Great Video as usual.
Keep it - cars from this era are the perfect balance of reliability and simplicity. Modern stuff with touch screens, electronic driver assists, etc, I'd stay well away from.
They are appreciating assets, believe me
I love my kango van. Just a simple tool. Reliable
I like how simplistic and cv2/R4 like the Kangoo is. Maybe more for shopping and short hauling trips. On longer rides The Berlingo is the one I guess. In Ian's place I'd go for a Picasso or C5, it's more interesting imo.
In the area of France where I live these are absolutely everywhere, although I'd say the Berlingo outnumbers the Kangoo. Country folks definitely value their practicality, and these are roomy inside while being small enough for small country lanes. Perfect !
Is that Dave Bass Man after the fish, the drink or the instrument?
I'd be interested to see you try a Fiat Doblò !!
Berlingo!
Well, I have this generation as a daily, with 4x4 and 1.6 HDI 90, with 270.000km on the clock. Fun to drive on our curvy mountain roads, quite agile and handles like a normal car.
And I can transport my racing motorbike in the trunk, it surprises everybody!
Would you get a honda crf250 in the back ??
@@stephenfoster4255 I think it should work. My S1000RR is 2075mm long and 1200mm high.
The 2024 CRF250 is 2180mm long and 1265mm high.
But if you remove the side mirrors, it seems that the height is about 1200mm, right?
The CRF is 100mm longer, but I think it can work, I have a little margin with mine. Maybe for your case the bike should stay straight in the trunk. Mine parks just on the side stand (with only one strip on each side to tighten it), and takes more space then.
Just note that the bike fits diagonally in the trunk. I load straight, on the trunk floor there is a U-shape rail sliding on it, which can rotate the whole bike to put it diagonally without effort.
@HarikenRed1 cheers bud . Since I done suspension she is super high!! " the bike "
I'm going to get a berlingo. Mega cheap and easy to fix . Getter that the vw overrated shite
@@stephenfoster4255 I was thinking of the VW Caddy before buying the Berlingo too. But the price and the overcomplicated engines/service, and the need of special tools gave me a headache. Globally the phase 1.2 Berlingo is reliable. Just the rear swingarms must be done after some years. But I do it by myself, it's not so complicated.
Hope it will work for you buddy!
Great review - on two cars that I really like - thanks Ian. I'd be interested to know how the 1.4 petrol Kangoo compares to the 1.6 Berlingo.
I'd pick the Kangoo. I ran a Megane with that 1.5Dci engine for a couple of years, and its a great engine for high mileage motorway work.
But the modu-top on the Berlingo is cool, even though I'm not sure what I'd actually put in it, and it seemed a bit flimsy.
El kango no és 1500 és 2000 turbo yo tengo una 4x4 que va de lujo i llevo más de 500000 mil kilómetros mismo embrague motor cambio una gozada
Next battles Berlingo vs Fiat Doblo and Berlingo vs Transit Connect Tourneo mk1 shape
I don't know if there was a passenger variant of a Vauxhall Combo but that could also be a contender if it exists
Hi there. I was thinking the same.
In Europe we have opel combo passenger version. Don t know about the uk version.
Berlingo every time for me! I had a nice M49 petrol which lasted me 20 years and was still good when I recently sold it. Now got a B9 1.6 XTR diesel which is really superb (apart from the worst "triangle of doom" you've ever seen!). My friend had a Kangoo but it wasn't built as strong and she had few problems. Great comparison video. Thanks!
what is triangle of doom?
@@vs6300 An area of the windscreen not wiped fully by the passenger wiper. Usually in the area near or behind the inside mirror.
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@@flatheadV8 Well explained. Appreciated. I recall that the correct sizes for the wiper for M59 was 22 Inch for driver's wide and 18, or was it 16? for the passenger side I didn't have an issue. I had the Partner for 11 years - got totalled in an accident 400k kms later, but I had a blast.
Both vehicles have a lot of appeal, but I'd go for the Berlingo due to the Modutop.
Tango in the Night is my favourite Fleetwood Mac album, because Eighties, but I also really like Tusk, because I like weirdness ^^
I like the external look of the Mk I kangoo. The interior and doorhandles are also more my style
Neither, I have a 2016 Fiat Doblo T-Jet: slightly larger in all directions and more square than the Berlingo, making it ever so practical, 1.4 turbo-petrol engine providing good torque from 2k rpm and pulling through all the way past 5k rpm if you so desire, yet no EGR, no direct injection, no variable valve anything, so still a quite simple engine, which is combined with a 6-speed gearbox. Downside is the rather stiff suspension, it's definitely not a French car. It does have independent bi-link rear suspension and overall a great platform though, so it handles really well around corners. Oh, and most of all: no triangle of doom, while unlike the Kangoo the passenger side wiper does reach the top of the windscreen. It isn't economical on the go go juice, but I have an LPG-conversion.
The windows in the sliding doors roll down if you have seats there (mine's a van with fixed windows), the rear side windows are always fixed.
Berlingo/Partners outsell Kangoos probably 20:1 in Costa Rica, and are frequently used as taxis. The PSA products are better finished, significantly more durable, and better supported in the market.
2:09. No cigarette lighter anymore. *looks to the left of the 12v power outlet to see a cigarette lighter*
Actually I'd prefer a facelifted Doblo. Drives better than any of these three and has a nicer interior and better engines.
I really enjoy these comparison videos.
I suggest a Sierra compared to a Cavalier next 😉
Great idea (Sierra for me!).
I'd love this if only for nostalgia. As a kid Dad had a Cavalier, grandad had a Sierra.
Berlingo all the way for me! No brainer... Better build quality, although French still, so all a bit iffy I guess. 1.6 is a strong engine, but what about the Fiat Doblo? 1.3 jtdm, or bulletproof 1.9 jtdm that is capable of going to the moon and back with minimal maintenance! Even more space in the Doblo too, better kit levels and due to rabid depreciation it will be cheaper age and mileage compared... Just that they ate rarer to come by... Kangoo? Kangdon't in my opinion... 😅
Looks so spacious inside the Berlingo, looks much larger than you’d expect.
Great little twin test, really enjoyable comparison between the two. Now question is what do you prefer the Petrol Berlingo or the diesel?
Diesel every time.
Hmm, will this be Bella's end in favour of a petrol version then? :P
Team Kangoo Team berlingo
👇 NO
In my opinion Renault is way ahead of PSA these days ..... look at the Mercedes Citan .... Mercedes wont ever choose for a shitty platform .. that's why the Citan is literally a Kangoo with a Benz nose and steeringwheel
Kangoos are popular here in Tokyo; I rarely see Berlingos these days though. Excellent and classic HubNut review. Thanks, Ian!
Yes, the first generation was badged as a Nissan too.
He could put a heater in that footwell storage compartment and have a heated foot bath. *taps forehead*
You can easily make any car wash the wrong windscreen by mixing up the hoses or electrical connecors when you change the washer pumps. I did that on my mondeo becauseI thought it was done wrong from the factory but it didnt really work well in practice anyway.
My mum actually had a Renault Kangoo cargo in the mid-to-late '00s for a florist business she was briefly a part of. It became something of a local icon. For a time it was our only car so I also very nearly learned to drive in it! (though I didn't end up learning to drive as a teenager and I'm only doing it now in my 30s. ^^; ) I believe it was indeed the turbo-diesel like this one too.
Unfortunately the passenger MPV versions of these vehicles have never been all that popular here in Australia; a lot of them straight up weren't even sold here in that spec for the longest time. I know the Volkswagen Caddy California has a following here though, so maybe that could be changing.
Now you have to try a Mk1 Doblo in order to 'get the set'. I'm afraid I can't offer mine as it's now permanently in 'limp' mode and not likely to be fixed as it won't be any use to me after August. Anyway, I think you'd prefer the 1.9. It would be interesting to see how the basic leaf spring rear end stacks up for ride and handling.
Is the MK1 Doblo leaf spring at the back? That's funny how they went from very oldskool utilitarian to over the top with the bi-link rear suspension in the 2010 and 2015 model, and now back to the average rear-axle in the Stellantis one.
@@Candisa Yes but I guess it's not really the Fiat designers' call now they're all the same platform. I find the leaf springs perfectly adequate and there's very little to go wrong.
A Mk1 Dobbie with the (chipable) JTD Turbo knocks both of these out... and it handles in ways it shouldn't
12v power outlet, no cigarette lighter anymore...........with a cigarette lighter next to the 12v power outlet 😂
Both neat but I prefer my Multipla.
Great vid, you now need a Doblo!!
I think the 1st Berlingo got a 1.8 petrol aswell, don't think they sold well so maybe hard to find now, but pretty sure the 1.8 was an 8 valve , so should be quite torquey
There’s even a Nissan version of this shape Kangoo called the Kubistar and also some can be sold in automatic compared to the berlingo/partner which don’t have an automatic option
Very rare to spot a Nissan version.
I would prefer the Berlingo myself. Love all that storage space in the roof and under the floor - and the under floor storage is also a good place to transport your goldfish apparently. ( I once had a Mitsubishi Galant that allowed you to transport goldfish in the boot if you removed the spare wheel) I have never really liked Renault's, probably due to my experiences with them back in the 80's and early 90's. I used to drive a Transit van for work back then, but when it went in for a service we used to get a Renault Traffic as a courtesy van, it was like driving a tin can down the road, sound levels inside were appalling, and the foot pedals were off-set to the left, making for a horrid driving experience. We also had Renault Laguna's on the fleet, they were let down by the pedals again being off-set to the left, and also the fact the pedals were so close together you were forever hitting two pedals at once. And finally we got a Kangoo, the noise level inside was horrible, and the suspension thudded it's way over irregularities in the road. Those experiences put me off Renault's for life, probably unfairly because no doubt some of their later cars were much nicer.
Neither, the Toyota 2001 verso wrecks both of them.
@Retired Bore Yaris verso m8, usually gold lol, like a tardis and ultra reliable :) had mine 12 years lol it just wont die, fitted wardrobes n washing machines in it lol i fear this may be its final year as rust is starting to get the better of the sills :( 2001
If something is too practical they stop producing it. Or people did not buy it because it was not "cool" enough.
I'm french and i love the way you say berlingo ! It's sounds like some caribbean dance.
Ive had 2 kangoos in 20odd years , i have never broken down once, as long as you look after them well.
my dad was interested in a berllingo , i sent him links to your videos , he is no longer interested 😁 only joking he hasn't come back yet
very nice reviews.. a step up from the Express which we still see plenty of in Spain, As you say the HDIs are better the 2.2 s have addictive tourque
The K9K Renault/Nissan 1.5 dCi unit evolved a lot over the years, with refinement improving along the way. Later installations were pretty good at isolating NVH.
Mimes also 1.6 petrol
Thanks Ian, very informative video, I’ve had the opportunity to drive similar examples of the Berlingo 1.6 petrol and Kangoo 1.5 and I think I agree with your comments, the Berlingo is nicer to drive, my ex had a Berlingo 1.6 petrol and it was pleasant to drive and own, plenty of storage capacity and a good all rounder.
I’ve driven the van version 1.5 Kangoo and it was pleasant, the interior I think is a bit lighter and simple which I think I prefer.
The 1.5 dci engine I think is a tad wheezy in anything bigger than a Clio, best going for the bigger Diesel engine or a bigger petrol.
With the amount of space and overhead storage both these cars would be good if you were thinking or indeed being forced to be homeless and living in your car. which a lot of folk are having to do. The overhead lockers are a game changer for this purpose.
Ive had both Kangoos and 'Lingos. The 2 berlingos I had were faultless for the whole time I had them, a 1.9 and 2.0d and the Kangoo I had (on less miles) was a continuous pain in the ass. 3 gearboxes, 2 bottom ball joints and eventually an engine as the pump disintegrated. Berlingo all the way would buy another frugal 1.9d tomorrow!
Transit Connect.
For the time me and my family had owned a Berlingo Multispace 1.6 16V, it was one reliable and dependable drive let me tell ya! it was quite nimble for what it was worth, was pretty fun to drive despite it`s outer Diemensions, and on top of that, had held us over 20 years and almost 180.000 miles. Sadly the car was getting weaker, older and sadly more brittle. Sold it for 700€ to an export, it was taken away, with me and my mom having tears in our eyes, as we knew we were going to miss our old friend. One who had carried me since the Childhood.
Eitherway, i hope wherever our lil Berlingo is heading now, he will keep on running, and keep being the reliable Family Transport it always was.
How many miles on the petrol Berlingo?
It's done about 84k IIRC.
I bet it's easier to change a headlight bulb on the Citroën too. My brother has a Modus and says if the headlight bulb goes, he's scrapping the car😂
With practice, I got it down to 40 minutes.
What annoys me in these cars is the totally pointless height. Because when you look honnestly you can see that Ian has huge headroom when he sits in the car, so much in fact he could probably wear a high hat. But in almost ALL cases the genereus headroom stays UNUSED. (Ian even said it himself!) So why have it in the first place? Why not just buy a 307 SW? Or 308SW? Equally roomy inside except for normal headroom.
Maybe i am missing something? Maybe the commercial van version can actually properly use the height?
The height is just great for wheeling my mountain bike straight in - which is what the Berlingo seen here is mostly used for.
Indeed. I've made use of every bit of space in our Berlingo before now in van mode.
I have had both, both diesel. Preferred the Renault as the gear change was smoother and the switches better. Once you accept you have a van with a seat in the back their a great practical vehicle. The Kangoo rear seat folds flat into the floor whereas you have to remove the seats in the Berlingo to get the same space.
1.6 16v that's also used in the Saxo VTS, so you can hoon the Berlingo yo
A similar engine but not the same
i have the same model as Jono but with the 1.9 diesel (no turbo)
runs quite well, very much like a 2cv in performance, lots of space, lots of storage, lots of fun 🙂
I drove a 1st gen Partner van round Europe as a wide load escort vehicle back in 97. One of the best and most reliable vehicles I ever drove doing a couple of thousand miles a week! The only annoying thing was the keypad immobiliser which was set at the default of 1111 and served no purpose whatsoever...
Definitely going to look for a berlingo perfect for my growing German shepherd who's ruining my Toyota Avensis estate...
Well Ian I comment regularly and u know I am a 1.6 petrol owner bloody love it wish had modutop tho. It is a 16v with 110 bhp. So light on its toes.
Neither!!!!!!
Ooo....that Berlingo! What does it say about one that a Berlingo is more appealing than a £40,50...100k car?!
It’s a tough choice. I would have said Berlingo but I already own one and a lot of things have broken, are leaking or don’t work anymore. However I like the 1.4 petrol engine. It was dual fuel originally but I don’t bother with the LPG anymore. The engine design is very traditional and simple to work on, except for the ECU which controls all sorts of things unnecessarily, like the cooling fan. I like the Renault Kangoo design and the smaller size of it. Looks very use friendly and I wouldn’t mind the engine noise or the lower power. Probably very economical, so it would be the Kangoo for me.
You've now driven 2 generations of Berlingo, maybe now sample all subsequent generations for comparison including the ë Berlingo?
Coming soon to a RUclips channel near you...Furious valeting by Jonno from Peak 2CV. I'd watch it.
Had a 2002 berlingo multispace 1.9 diesel non turbo Excellent car got it with 92k got rid of it 11 yrs later with a 195k. Then got a 2005 Peugeot partner 1.6hdi. No way near as good as the older berlingo
I've got a mk1 kangoo van she is now just over 21 years old the 1.5dci engine is still going at only 164000 miles it's a great old thing .
This is way better than top gear….
I prefer the interior of the 2nd gen Berlingo.
A good diesel is still good and can sound fine…but that Renault 1.5 diesel…..not so much.
….so a long term question I have had about cars like this…..with all that space, you might be expecting to load them up, making them heavy….meaning a diesel engine would make by far the most sense. What would be the point of a modest petrol engine…especially say 1.3 or 1.4?…..unless your using it to transport 💐 (almost no weight but u still need the space).
…Ooops, then again we won’t have such choices to make by end of the decade with the switch or electric 💷💷💷😬
PS, at the start, were u hinting at diesel/turbo-diesel probs limiting their longevity compared with the petrol option? Years ago, the diesel was considered the much longer lived with a couple of petrol exceptions, Volvo redblock etc. Are modern diesels too complex for their own good and undermine their longevity?
Citroen as engine wise the Diesels are better. It wasn't until the 2.0dCI that Reneault's diesels became good again. The 1.9dCi of that era was DREADFUL. So bad that it almost ruined the company. It's successor however was really good :) .
But it leaves me biased against Renaults from the era.
It is hard to choose as both are attractive and practical.
The slight width advantage of the Berlingo might just sway it but I wouldn't call it a deal breaker because of how both of these little vehicles make a Peugeot 208, Ford Fiesta or Vauxhall Corsa seem very cramped, impractical and expensive in comparison.
Berlingo. Also its sister van, the Peugeot Partner. Every time. I will never ever buy a Renault. Renault were great when making little basic cars like the 4 and the 5 and even the early clios but as soon as cars got a bit more complex Renaults became lemons. Sometime in the early 2000s from memory. We had a 1999 Partner and now have a 2011 Berlingo, both work van models. They're not perfect, but they're better than a Renault.
Can you believe in Argentina is exactly the same versus polemicize ? Renault Kangoo is best selling 'cause it has a cheaper sticker price for acquisition at official dealers . The Berlingo is a quite best buy , infact i work at a Mechanic's parcel area , we saw very often those Renault Kangoo at idle for everything. Mechanic told me that thanks to Renault's his wallet gets fat and is a good profit for him , instead of Citroen's being very healthy vehicles . So amazing your discusion resembles the same discusion in SouthAmerica , true compliments so appreciated mister Hubnut
The 1.5dci is notoriously shite. The 1.6 PSA diesel is definitely better especially the newer version of it. Far from perfect but better. I did over 100k in my focus with that dv6 engine never skipped a beat.
My brother has a 1.4 petrol Peugeot Partner and it is slow! I’ve got a 6-month old petrol Berlingo 8-speed auto and it’s quite quick! My first petrol after 30 years of diesel - the Adblue stuff on new diesels is too complicated for a long life
Modutop usually means more rattle and squeak and increasing dribbling with age. Make great campervans though.
The BIG question (somebody may have already asked) is when will you drive a Fiat Doblo for comparison? My brother-in-law had one a while back and bought it because he reckoned it was bigger than either the Kangoo or the Berlingo (not sure if he looked at the Multispace though).
If I had to choose I would go for the Volkswagen Caddy 1.6 CADDY MAXI C20 LIFE TDI S-A 5dr
I like both!
As a Citroen guy, I'd go with the Berlingo. Better the French devil you know! 😉
both are just an average turkish family transporters
but with diesel instead of petrol engines
I hate the kangoo. Feels incredibly cheaply made (because it is) and the dash is pretty impractical too. The Berlingo/Partner has always been a great van, well put together and a well thought out interior. Neither could hold a candle to a transit though.
I hate the kangoo. Feels incredibly cheaply made (because it is) and the dash is pretty impractical too. The Berlingo/Partner has always been a great van, well put together and a well thought out interior. Neither could hold a candle to a transit though.
From the same group, I had a Fiat Doblo work van and that was a very pleasant drive.
"Have a look at your swimming pool!" - that cracked me up! 😂😂
Another great video. Who knew that watching someone review average, old, often bland, often partially broken cars could be so enjoyable 🤘🏼
1.5 dci Almera 2006 hubnutter here - it is an absolutely lovable engine. Too bad the interior electrics aren't as good - flashing airbag of death, anyone ?
If I operate the rear washer on my Duster I get water on the windscreen instead........ from two of the four jets........ it may be Romanian but it retains its French roots
Fiat Doblo next