'85 Oldsmobile "Time Machine" has NO POWER? (Part 1 - Memorial Day Special)

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  • Опубликовано: 23 май 2024
  • It's time to travel Back to the Future...1985!!
    Forget the famous DeLorean...this 1985 Oldsmobile 98 V6 is THE most comfortable way to travel :)
    But it's having a MAJOR problem achieving the 88MPH warp speed necessary for time travel.
    In fact, if you depress the throttle more than half way, it FALLS ON ITS FACE and SLOWS DOWN!!
    How weird is that?
    The owner just bought this beast in Ohio, and is driving it back to New Hampshire through PA.
    He contacted PHAD to have the LOW-POWER issue diagnosed.
    I convince the owner to leave it at PHAD for a few days so we can make it road-worthy.
    The '85 Olds only has 5,000 ORIGINAL Miles on the odometer!
    But time takes its toll, and there is evidence of meddling under the hood.
    Let's dust off the Snap-On Verus and use the live data that is available to troubleshoot this plush time machine. Can we get all the horses back so the owner could use it to travel back in time?
    Enjoy!
    Ivan
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Комментарии • 466

  • @richard1835
    @richard1835 23 дня назад +25

    That customer got the right mechanic to work on his classic car. Ivan knows how to use the scan tool. He has taught me a lot over the years and I appreciate him. Thank you Ivan.

  • @DIYDaveOK
    @DIYDaveOK 23 дня назад +37

    I can predict part 2: Unable to find a 40-year-old OEM MAF, Ivan builds one on his workbench. Car runs flawlessly!😊

    • @johnvilleneuve7944
      @johnvilleneuve7944 23 дня назад +1

      Ivan is our Russian MacGyver. I know he will get it fixed

    • @jedclampett6466
      @jedclampett6466 23 дня назад

      I beat you to it in MAF by an hour

    • @atticstattic
      @atticstattic 23 дня назад

      ...in a cave from a box of scraps!

    • @merlingriffin3861
      @merlingriffin3861 23 дня назад

      LOL, but possibly true!

    • @ehsnils
      @ehsnils 23 дня назад

      My take would be MAP, but air leaks are always a factor on old cars.

  • @nv1493
    @nv1493 23 дня назад +6

    Kudos to the owner for buying a great car vs new garbage.
    Keep it as long as you can!

  • @kraschsclassics
    @kraschsclassics 23 дня назад +22

    TPS is adjustable. Set minimum idle then adjust TPS to .58 volt. need to pierce wires to do this. See procedure for this.

    • @guy-zx4gg
      @guy-zx4gg 23 дня назад +1

      I agree, check the TPS

  • @madmarkm
    @madmarkm 23 дня назад +8

    BLM is acronym for block learn multiplier which is essentially long term fuel trim , this video brought back memories of apprenticing in the 90s on these now classics. seeing that IAC reading at zero at idle has me thinking that you have a vacuum/EGR issue going on, I'm interested in seeing the conclusion.

  • @CedroCron
    @CedroCron 23 дня назад +46

    I miss comfortable seats like this in these old cars... The new cars today have seats that SUCK!

    • @billmalec
      @billmalec 23 дня назад +4

      Those seats are good for short trips. Long trips and you sink and cause pressure points. Much prefer firm seats where your weight is equally dispersed.
      I always hated 70s/80s American car seats. No support at all.

    • @grandmabeth1533
      @grandmabeth1533 23 дня назад +3

      You are so right ​@@billmalec

    • @jedclampett6466
      @jedclampett6466 23 дня назад

      Read my comment...

    • @Turbo_Q
      @Turbo_Q 23 дня назад +4

      I have the absolute opposite. Couch seating is great compared to a racing seat with all that *support*

    • @billmalec
      @billmalec 23 дня назад

      @@Turbo_Q Who said anything about a race seat?

  • @GNX157
    @GNX157 23 дня назад +4

    If you can get your hands on an old snap on MT2500 scanner with the correct domestic cartridge and cable ends, you’ll be able to see more PID, even in the road test mode.

  • @farmermiyagi1338
    @farmermiyagi1338 23 дня назад +18

    Damn I feel old. Ivan comments that this car is a year older than he is. This is stuff I cut my teeth on. Maybe I don't just feel old. XD

    • @farmermiyagi1338
      @farmermiyagi1338 22 дня назад

      @@wesliebegay828 I'm 57 years old this year and I can still do brakes squatting in the floor and I can still get up off a creeper using one leg. ;) I ain't done for yet. Been at this since 1987, and I don't plan to retire for at least another 10 years. It's my drawers that sag. LMAO!! All that sweat down here in the south.

    • @willefixit
      @willefixit 14 часов назад +1

      yea i rember thease new..

  • @Michael-yi4mc
    @Michael-yi4mc 23 дня назад +5

    I loved the old GM’s from the 1980’s. Ice cold air conditioning with the R-12 Freon. Fogged up my glasses as I exited the car. Good old days!

  • @adamtrombino106
    @adamtrombino106 23 дня назад +18

    An old Snapper Red Brick would be a better tool, more data pids. You do have 2 clues. High idle, 0 IAC. The MAF unplugged does put the car into a default, limited spark advance, limited fuel control and pulse width. You shouldn't trust the data you're getting. You're on the right track IMO with the MAF, but I doubt that's the end of it ;) Neat old car, takes me way back. I've worked on many of them! Popcorn ready!

    • @throttlebottle5906
      @throttlebottle5906 22 дня назад

      when a scan tool is plugged in, they change modes/data speed and they end up idling high/spark advanced and all sorts of odd things, especially once put into gear on the ODB 1 systems. none were meant to be driven while plugged into them. they'll go into advance timing and start to spark knock like mad, all the v8's did/do and best I can recall the v6 and 4cyl did the same thing. haven't touched a v6 or 4cyl OBD1 in many years, v8 obd1 I still own and had multiple of them.

  • @richard1835
    @richard1835 23 дня назад +21

    I always check the condition of the fuel for vehicles that have been sitting for a long time. That fabulous low mileage Olds is a beauty. He is a proud owner. Thank you PHAD.

    • @calholli
      @calholli 23 дня назад +2

      Yep.. I'd start with checking fuel pressure, first thing. It has sat so long that the injectors may be clogged or gummed up too.

    • @richard1835
      @richard1835 23 дня назад +3

      @@calholli Yes. Clogged injectors as well as vacuum leaks and fuel quality can be an issue with any vehicle that has sat for a long time.

    • @calholli
      @calholli 23 дня назад

      @@richard1835 I don't think it's a vacuum leak.. because when you step on it full throttle-- it should still rev fully and the leak is less relevant at WOT.. I think it's just a fuel issue.

    • @richard1835
      @richard1835 23 дня назад

      @@calholli Ok. Take care

    • @mikesabin8568
      @mikesabin8568 23 дня назад

      @@richard1835vacuum leaks dont make a car have low power

  • @neilmurphy845
    @neilmurphy845 23 дня назад +42

    Looking at the engine bay my guess is that car could have 105K miles on the odometer not 5,000 because the interior looks fairly good

    • @mikeafa1
      @mikeafa1 23 дня назад +4

      My thoughts exactly. That along with the headliner droop.

    • @neilmurphy845
      @neilmurphy845 22 дня назад +1

      @@mikeafa1 Yes that's what I thought aswell

    • @jamesa8814
      @jamesa8814 22 дня назад +1

      Yep there is a lot of grime under that hood.

    • @throttlebottle5906
      @throttlebottle5906 22 дня назад +2

      not a head liner one survived here in Ohio, even when stored in garages, the temperature/humidity made them all fall, regardless of mileage.
      it may have been driven in winter a low number of times or just salt mist off the cleared roadways, or shortly after when still wet. could very well be original 5K miles, pretty sure they went to more digit odometers by then. unless someone tampered with it.

    • @lamarw7757
      @lamarw7757 7 дней назад

      @@throttlebottle5906 Not 5,000 105,000 no doubt.

  • @nowayout73
    @nowayout73 23 дня назад +72

    Who else had a sagging headliner from the 80s? I had several 😊 Now I’m sagging…..

    • @tonymaiettasr.7340
      @tonymaiettasr.7340 23 дня назад +1

      My 1994 Grand Am V6 (3100) has a sagging headliner. Used some 3M spray glue 4 years ago. Still holding.

    • @80SWoods
      @80SWoods 23 дня назад

      I replaced my headliner on my 2007 Accord last year because it was sagging.

    • @n3ymy630
      @n3ymy630 23 дня назад +1

      80s?! How about the headliners in the 2007 duramax…?

    • @luisgonzalez3057
      @luisgonzalez3057 23 дня назад +2

      All of my dad's Buicks and Oldsmobiles. Only my mom's Buick has a nice headliner because she makes my dad take it to the upholstery guy

    • @rambleon2838
      @rambleon2838 23 дня назад

      My GF went from firm to sagging

  • @lvsqcsl
    @lvsqcsl 23 дня назад +24

    That was the first year of the front-wheel drive "C" body. (GM continued to make the rear-wheel drive wagons of these models.) I had customers with these and they weren't the greatest. Leaks in rack-and-pinion units, torn CV joint boots, transmission issues, etc. I had a customer with one and it seemed like there was always something; keep in mind, we didn't have the warranties we have now. I would just remind him of all that traction he got in the snow and all that gas he saved. He traded that for a 1986 Mercury Grand Marquis and drove that car for the next 5 years. GREAT VIDEO!

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 23 дня назад

      I'm trying to see how much work it is to put my '82 grand marque engine in my F100 pickup. I joke with the wife it will twist the bed into a pretzel. But I have the code reader for the engine. (somewhere LOL) I remember the first time I put my hand over the throttle body. Thought it was going to suck my arm into the engine. A tree flattened the body out, but the engine is good. It gave it's life to save my RX7.

    • @mtut
      @mtut 22 дня назад +1

      Agreed, these were much better by 88 or 89. Beautiful cars, though.

    • @aberobinson1
      @aberobinson1 21 день назад

      I remember when these were new. The transaxle was the first year that GM had a FWD transaxle with OD. If I recall correctly it had two different throttle cables, one to control line pressure and one to make things extra complicated. They didn't last very long before needing replaced. I think it was called the 440T4. Garbage

  • @JessClearyAutoRepairLLC
    @JessClearyAutoRepairLLC 23 дня назад +2

    Oh the memories..... a red brick mt2500, a sun scope the size of a refrigerator, and a parking lot full of OBD1 drivability jobs. Good times!

  • @PizzaMan-ItsaRomethingeveryday
    @PizzaMan-ItsaRomethingeveryday 20 дней назад +1

    First series 3800 these were notorious for jumping time, hence the series 2 3800 the bulletproof non interference engine, haven't seen one like this in decades

  • @joekuntzman4016
    @joekuntzman4016 23 дня назад +2

    BLM is abbreviation for block learn memory on those old GM vehicles. Correction, I wasn't remembering that correctly. It actually stands for block learn multiplier. I dug up an old motor trend article explaining how to use it as a diagnostic tool. For anyone who's interested in what it means and how to use it

  • @mrjsv4935
    @mrjsv4935 23 дня назад +10

    Very interesting car again, love 80's cars :) In 1985, most cars here in Europe still had carbs without catalytic converters, so interesting to see a car with fuel injection, cat and all that emissions stuff from 1985.

  • @jamesmcgraw9570
    @jamesmcgraw9570 23 дня назад +1

    I had an 85 Ford LTD Station Wagon. My son called it a rolling couch. The 3rd row faced the rear.

  • @dharley189
    @dharley189 22 дня назад +1

    GM dealer told me failure rate was 110% on MAFs.
    They had a barrel for the ones replaced under warranty.
    GM says “tap test” on MAF is a valid test.
    Keep it up and you will learn to really dislike OBD1 cars.

  • @mikechiodetti4482
    @mikechiodetti4482 23 дня назад +5

    My wife had an 86 1/2 Buick LeSabre FWD with the 3.8 V6. It was a rolling intermittent on 4 wheels.
    The engine itself was Great! The electronics....not so great.
    The transmission another big problem.
    In 1986, the Buick LeSabre started to as a rear wheel drive in late 85. Jan 1 1986 it was a Front Wheel Drive. My wife got one of the early ones complete with all the problems of a new design and released on the public!
    All I can say is Good Luck with this one Ivan! This car brings back some bad memories!

  • @Z-Ack
    @Z-Ack 23 дня назад +23

    Why would it have an aftermarket anything with only 5k miles? And and engine bay that dirty.. unless it was kept outside its whole life but then itd be a lot worse everywhere else.. seems fishy..

    • @yeahitskimmel
      @yeahitskimmel 23 дня назад +2

      Maybe somebody found it in 2005 when it had already sat for almost 20yrs and tried to fix something

    • @robertoruiz7069
      @robertoruiz7069 23 дня назад +1

      HI, yes it does seem fishy.I would have thought that the seller would have at least washed the engine bay out to make it look like the 5,000.I hope Ivan get out a good flashlight and looks in the nooks and cranny's.i think the truth may come out!!!

    • @rambleon2838
      @rambleon2838 23 дня назад

      Was thinking the same, but then I've seen the dealer tags on the key - buyer be aware! Then again, the parts cannon didn't fix unmetered air entering somewhere else.

    • @johneddys2351
      @johneddys2351 23 дня назад +1

      Things go bad from age alone. Or possibly they thought it needed a MAF when it didn't because there was another age related problem.

    • @user-qb1dg1bt2r
      @user-qb1dg1bt2r 23 дня назад

      B
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  • @oldbiker9739
    @oldbiker9739 23 дня назад +16

    They were a great car ,I had a 1986 loaded 98 , miss those days of simplicity .

    • @yeahitskimmel
      @yeahitskimmel 23 дня назад +1

      Simplicity? This baby is fully loaded for 1985. Full EFI, AC, cruise, power everything, shoot even has 12v sockets in the doors

  • @MiFobz
    @MiFobz 19 дней назад

    Omg blast from the past. I had a 86 cutlass really similar. Last car I owned before going off to boot camp.

  • @KevinWindsor1971
    @KevinWindsor1971 23 дня назад +8

    My aunt had an Olds Cutlass from that era. I called it Old Gutless.

  • @tomtke7351
    @tomtke7351 23 дня назад +5

    Glad to watch a car with same/similar genre as my 90 Lesabre. 3.8L V6 I series. Mine has 380,000 miles (all mine) and it's showing its age... but still is a (SMOOTH, QUIET) runner.

  • @Malc180s
    @Malc180s 23 дня назад +6

    I like John. He's probably got a great shorts and cap combo for golf tournaments too.

  • @billziegmond4943
    @billziegmond4943 23 дня назад +1

    That takes me back to my 1986 Pontiac Grand Prix. I have a good one tomorrow Ivan. Volt's corvette High speed lan none of the modules are talking. Time for BOB and voltmeter to check for terminating resistors. Then the Oscilloscope to see what's killing the network.

  • @themainguy5050
    @themainguy5050 23 дня назад +1

    The vehicle probably needs new gaskets and also look at the coolant temperature sensor triggering could be causing some fuel-related issues GM heavily reliable net for balancing fuel trims. A beautiful 80s car still kicking.

  • @bobspurloc
    @bobspurloc 23 дня назад +2

    1985 and bucking.... all plastic vacuum lines are snapped LOL... now i will watch video...

  • @glenharper3136
    @glenharper3136 23 дня назад

    Thanks for the video Ivan. Cool cat.

  • @baxrok2.
    @baxrok2. 23 дня назад

    Very cool project. Thanks Ivan!

  • @agostinodibella9939
    @agostinodibella9939 23 дня назад +1

    Great car and video Ivan! Looking forward to part 2!

  • @jimbriggs70
    @jimbriggs70 23 дня назад +1

    This is gonna be a GREAT series. Take ya time and make me happy. 😂

  • @richard1835
    @richard1835 23 дня назад

    Looking forward to part 2. Thank you PHAD

  • @francantanimor
    @francantanimor 23 дня назад +2

    Adjusting VE Fueling tables with BLM data Tutorial! - GearHead EFI
    WEBMay 8, 2013 · Block Learn Mode term is long term fuel trim. BLM value tracks the Integrator but has a delay. If the Integrator increases so does the BLM, but the BLM lags behind the Integrator.

  • @bombardier3qtrlbpsi
    @bombardier3qtrlbpsi 23 дня назад +1

    Nice job 👍
    Don't forget to get Ivan's autograph on the car 😄😄

  • @oldbiker9739
    @oldbiker9739 23 дня назад +13

    they did have problems with the ignition modules under the cap all so the advance wires under the cap would break in cold weather when moving back and forth .

    • @danpikulski1624
      @danpikulski1624 23 дня назад +1

      About 2 min into the video I thought the same thing. Changed several hundreds of them over the years. Be interesting to see how he diagnoses this one.

    • @scottmagoch5367
      @scottmagoch5367 23 дня назад

      Didn't see a vac advance that would move the pick up coil

    • @stuartcookie133
      @stuartcookie133 23 дня назад

      @@scottmagoch5367 Exactly right. pick up is stationary.

    • @oldbiker9739
      @oldbiker9739 23 дня назад

      @@scottmagoch5367 , they had advance weights and springs in them

    • @scottmagoch5367
      @scottmagoch5367 23 дня назад

      @@oldbiker9739 the advance weights/springs move the reluctor not the pickup coil. Not sure if this is a ESC distributor,if so the ecu controls spark advance

  • @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT
    @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 23 дня назад +1

    What a gem, Ivan! A true blast from the past! If you manage to get the parts, this is going to be a very rewarding project - the car does deserve it! Can't wait for Part 2!

  • @andrewparry6106
    @andrewparry6106 23 дня назад +1

    Andy from Karratha Australia..your a master tech

  • @mkilptrick
    @mkilptrick 23 дня назад

    I really enjoy listening to Ivan doing these shows.

  • @rogerghiardi7723
    @rogerghiardi7723 23 дня назад

    Cool, this ought to be a good video series. Had an 82 Cutlass Supreme, and I loved that car. Wish I still had it.

  • @OhNoMrBill-yg3dy
    @OhNoMrBill-yg3dy 22 дня назад

    Love the respect & consideration you give bicyclists when passing!

  • @fredsalter1915
    @fredsalter1915 23 дня назад +1

    That speedometer is dope!!

  • @Horatio1886build
    @Horatio1886build 23 дня назад +1

    I love that car, spent many a day working on cars of that vintage

  • @weshawkins7165
    @weshawkins7165 18 дней назад

    Oh good another who done it video, love it.

  • @flatdaddio
    @flatdaddio 23 дня назад

    Awesome!! Love the holiday video series!! Vaccuum leak? Why is the idle so high? Something with the advance? Very cool!

  • @cullenmiller8170
    @cullenmiller8170 23 дня назад +1

    Nice video and looking forward to the next episode. That’s the problem with keeping an older car nobody has parts anymore. I used to have old Mercedes and kept one or two parts cars around to keep them going. I was just watching Lethal Weapon yesterday and Danny Glover was driving a wagon from that vintage. 😂😂

  • @dieselchevette
    @dieselchevette 23 дня назад

    Ivan, great video! I wish i could have loaned you my 1990ish otc scan tool with the gm carts and little lcd screen for this diag. It shows quite a few data pids your verus is not showing on these 3.8s. These early cars usually had a switch for the fan, the ecm sensor, and a switch for the light or 1 sensor and everything including the lamp was driven by the ecm. I forget what year gm did what in. In any case, I cant wait to see where this goes.
    My 88 lesabre with the 3800 had a similar issue. For it, it was the coolant temp sensor, MAF, coilpack, and finally a major cooling system flush to get even flow back into the heads. Ran mint!

  • @RichL8223
    @RichL8223 23 дня назад

    Love the old sweep style speedo, we got to get this one sorted.

  • @scottmagoch5367
    @scottmagoch5367 23 дня назад +3

    We used to thump the maf with your fist to see if it would stumble,great diag tool back in the day!😂

  • @GeminiSeven43
    @GeminiSeven43 23 дня назад

    On my mom's 1970 Olds 98 convertible the temp light was dual duty for both cold and warm temp. You definitely get the good ones Ivan. Good luck!!!

  • @steveo6631
    @steveo6631 23 дня назад +1

    Wow, what a small world... I grew up close enough to Lewistown, Pa to play them in baseball and football, and I now live in New Hampshire... Hey John, I hope you talked Ivan into making a road trip to New England.... LOL

  • @rimtrim
    @rimtrim 23 дня назад

    GM parts information gives these numbers for the 1985 MAF sensor: 25007539 "RPO WF4" and 25007652 "exc. RPO WF4". Both are available NOS on eBay. I've heard these early models had a lot of trouble with the MAF sensors, so even the correct part may not work very well. I owned a 1990 Delta 88 for years, and it had a Hitachi MAF sensor that was a totally different design

  • @MrTonyPiscatelle
    @MrTonyPiscatelle 23 дня назад +3

    I had the 1980 Olds 98, fine car. Then a new 1987 Cutlas with the itty bitty V8 another fine car. This is going to be a fun series of videos. Have to load up my pop corn supply.

  • @frankd.brennan6520
    @frankd.brennan6520 22 дня назад

    There's an old quick check on the ecm. Take it out and leave it plugged in and smack it a little bit, but I doubt if that's the problem. Lots of inferior electrical connections and wiring back then. Not to mention the design and distributor/coil. Don't forget GM grounds lol. Worst case he doesn't need an echeck anymore. I would guess fuel /air, but I will be looking forward to part 2 and possibly 3 and 4 and lol. Lots of shenanigans with odometers also. The 4 bangers from GM were famous for head gaskets. Those had metal gas tanks? Lots of junk from the factory in the late 70s and well into the 80s. Air pump and egr valve's were also common problems. Let us know how much time it took and i mean all of the time! Not just actually diagnosis and fix time

  • @TheWilber09
    @TheWilber09 23 дня назад +1

    Sure looks like that engine bay has 105k, or 205k on it. But the interior looks so good. Although I had a 1991 olds that had 274k on it, ran perfect and had a basically flawless interior.

  • @jackschissler255
    @jackschissler255 22 дня назад

    I want that stereo. I always loved those Delco front face cassette stereos. All of ours really pumped out the sound. And the Tilt Wheel 💖 brings back memories and those plush seats 🥰. Nice warm and comfortable, wish they still made this stuff.

  • @n3lee
    @n3lee 23 дня назад

    I used to do a lot of ECM mods; the 3.3L variant was used in the Grand Am and early Grnad Prix N/W platforms. Check also that the MAP hasn't been replaced, as it's a dual-fuel map system -- (has both MAF and MAP sensors) and can technically run off of either. The VE (enrichment table) however, is static on the MAP sensor; while it used the actual calculated airflow from the MAF to determine air velocity, and therefore adjust the MAP VE table (compensate) -- It's been years since I've been in the coding for these things, though!
    Good luck! Maybe you too can get a "Willbert's pick a part" shirt just like SMA! :P

  • @gsudarshan7251
    @gsudarshan7251 23 дня назад +17

    Looks like the dealer has pulled a fast one on the old fella. That motor does not look as if it has done 5K, going by the shabby appearance. Normally low mile barn finds have a characteristic 'sheen' - so to speak.
    looking forward of you plugging away at it. maybe we can see 'wilburt's u pull it' in this episode

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 23 дня назад +5

      No, that looks like aluminum rust. I had an engine with 250 miles look like that after 15 years.

    • @oldbiker9739
      @oldbiker9739 23 дня назад +5

      I hope Ivan pulls a spark plug that will tell him if it only has 5 k on it .

    • @100SteveB
      @100SteveB 23 дня назад +6

      Just looking at the immaculate interior makes me think the mileage is genuine. Unless the car had been stored in an air conditioned environment I would expect to see aluminium surface corrosion after that amount of time.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 23 дня назад +2

      ​@@100SteveB yeah the interior looks great. I think it's legit.

    • @mph5896
      @mph5896 23 дня назад +3

      It's 40 years old. It could have 5 miles on it and falling apart back into the earth. It was bought in Ohio, so possibly a midwest car its entire life. Midwest has moderate to high humidity that destroys everything over time.

  • @DIYDaveOK
    @DIYDaveOK 23 дня назад +2

    Those earliest FWD GMs were so problematic. I had an 87 LeSabre with a 3800 but it was always at the dealer. I wasn't into DIY then so I wasn't aware of all the details. Thanks Ivan!

  • @Brian-cr6rb
    @Brian-cr6rb 23 дня назад +1

    What a beautiful car! I grew up in a GM dealership, and I'm super jealous! That thing is loaded! Right away I noticed the radio has equalizers, and the electronic climate control, well, 30 miles of vacuum hose, love it! Looking forward to a full sort out! You gotta get a Bear diagnosis machine. I remember in the service department there was a computer the size of a forklift that the technicians would hook up to the vehicles like it was a hospital, I was too young to understand it then, but thanks to you, I get it now.

  • @JohnnieBravo1
    @JohnnieBravo1 23 дня назад +3

    Holy Cow Ivan!! I'm dead in the middle of restoring my 89 Oldsmobile Toronado Trofeo (which I ordered brand new in the fall of 88) right now !! (And documenting this adventure on my little youtube channel). OBD1,, early version, is a challenge. I get to do it Old School.

    • @stevevarholy2011
      @stevevarholy2011 19 дней назад

      You spent some big bucks back then. The Trofeo was rare because it was relly pricey.

  • @bearg4019
    @bearg4019 23 дня назад +3

    Yours and my favorite place....ROCKAUTO..seems to have. Everything. This old car has a knock senor this car runs on vacuum...part 2 ...😊

  • @jdtractorman7445
    @jdtractorman7445 23 дня назад +1

    I miss the Oldsmobile cars from this era. My dad had a 1984 or 1985 Delta 88 Royal Brougham, beautiful car and just floated over bumps. My grandparents had a 1988 Cutlass Ciera which was a great car as well. Beautiful interiors too.

  • @kirbyschneider4187
    @kirbyschneider4187 23 дня назад

    Carburetor, injectors, bad fuel, intake manifold? Throttle body? I’m on the pins and the needles. Great episode!

  • @Blue89bird2
    @Blue89bird2 23 дня назад

    I’ve got an 88 Firebird that also had similar issues. Went through multiple aftermarket maf sensors with various issues. Finally found a good used Delphi on eBay. Has been fine for the previous 3 years.

  • @davidfarmer7397
    @davidfarmer7397 23 дня назад +1

    I had one just like it. Best interior I have ever own. Great ride. Now for the bad, lost a fuel pump in the first 6 months. Then on a trip to Florida the Mass airflow sensor failed. It was bucking at highway speed with the money light on.

  • @davidstleon8388
    @davidstleon8388 23 дня назад +3

    Those engines were vibrating monsters...No balance shaft.

  • @Bellboy40
    @Bellboy40 22 дня назад

    I had an 88 Cadillac Sedan DeVille for a few years. It was a smooth riding car also with those comfortable seats that Ivan was bragging about. It looked a lot like that Olds. My Caddy had a 4.5 liter engine. It always ran really good.

  • @onenikkione
    @onenikkione 22 дня назад

    Interesting case. About 6 years ago I drove one from Cleveland Ohio area to Michigan. That car rode nice on the freeway, I was selling it for our brother-n-law.

  • @javierjimenez5226
    @javierjimenez5226 23 дня назад +1

    Might want to try RearCounter for OEM parts that are no longer in stock or made.
    I recently had to find OEM parts for a 1970 f250 where there was no aftermarket replacement. That led me to RearCounter which is a database of dealers with New Old Stock parts. These are new parts made back in the day that were never sold.

  • @mrpbright
    @mrpbright 22 дня назад

    I worked on drivability issues on these when they were new. any stalling or power issue the first thing you do is tap the airflow sensor with a screwdriver on the square part. if it caughs or dies you have exited diagnostic mode. the ones that werent the maf were almost always burnt plug wire ends. (remove from plug and look for charcoal in boot end).

  • @mopar6586
    @mopar6586 23 дня назад +1

    The system was kinda a nightmare in 85. They will do exactly that with a slightly off maf or a tps that’s not adjusted perfectly. There was 3 different maf sensors used in 85 depending on what month it was made, gm was trying to figure out how to make it work properly. The computer only has one electrolytic cap in it as a filter the rest of the caps were tantalum I’ve never seen any of them bad (in a GM computer) they were high quality USA made caps. If the coolant sensor is not working properly it can make them do crazy things as well.

  • @jedclampett6466
    @jedclampett6466 23 дня назад +1

    I have those very same bucket seats from an '84 grafted into my '71 F250 highboy. Mine are the copper colored

  • @greggc8088
    @greggc8088 23 дня назад +1

    Ha. Going back to work on those pre OBD II cars will make one appreciate all the data given on OBD II. Makes it tough to diag when you have to have to check data manually with a meter at the sensor or ECM. I suppose a break out box could help.
    Not sure about something that old, but on many newer vehicles I've noticed it usually takes 2 or 3 MAF's before finding one that will work. I just watch the GPS to see which one works as it should. Pretty much the same with some distributors too.

  • @davidkasperek3907
    @davidkasperek3907 21 день назад

    I agree a diagnostic tool from the same era would be helpful. Call Eric from SMA, he might have one. 😉

  • @robbflynn4325
    @robbflynn4325 23 дня назад

    I sense a couple of Russian fixes coming up.😂 Mum and Dad bought one of these in the mid 80's. Looked beautiful in it's shiny black paint, but I recall it felt relatively slow despite having a 6 cylinder engine, but like you said, Ivan, it was like sitting in your favorite armchair, it was a very comfortable ride.

  • @80SWoods
    @80SWoods 23 дня назад +2

    I have to wonder what happened not long after the car was originally purchased to cause it to stop being driven (assuming the mileage is accurate). Since it’s an Oldsmobile, I can imagine someone buying it, driving it very minimally for a year or two, and then going into a nursing home and the car sitting for decades.

  • @happyone2579
    @happyone2579 23 дня назад

    hey ivan ,love the videos . and believe it or not ebay mikes obsolete auto parts has got 3 nos factory delco mass airflow sensors brandy new ,who would have thought .lol im sure by now you may have found it all ready ,

  • @Michael-yi4mc
    @Michael-yi4mc 23 дня назад

    I had a new 1989 LeSabre. It also stumbles as you accelerate from 25 mph. It was the EGR that was bad. I counted the number of flashes of the check engine light.

  • @StevenDaugherty-uo5cs
    @StevenDaugherty-uo5cs 23 дня назад +1

    Spot on with the mas air flow sensor. Had a 94 ford would miss and die with hard throttle but you could nurse it home with light throttle. Unplug mas sir flow sensor it would ron good. Replaced sensor and it was good again. That low mileage sure does seem suspicious. Wonder if its rolled over and is really 105,000?

  • @hugh007
    @hugh007 23 дня назад

    I had a Caddy with one of those distributors. Same intermittent power. Turned out to be the braided wires from the distributor reluctor pickup coil. It moves under different vacuum conditions and opened up under certain conditions. That fixed it.
    Thanks.

    • @gregorymalchuk272
      @gregorymalchuk272 23 дня назад +1

      How late were they using a vacuum diaphragm to modualte the ignition timing? I would have thought that they would use the crank position sensor and MAP sensor to derive all of the speed-load data to derive proper spark timing, even with a distributor.

    • @hugh007
      @hugh007 22 дня назад

      It was a 79, so it was vacuum operated. I don't know if it changed by 85.😊​@@gregorymalchuk272

  • @ChieftuckabuckawaysWife
    @ChieftuckabuckawaysWife 23 дня назад +2

    Vacuum leak, you need to run the old fuel out. Oh, you got gas good! Fuel filter clogged. Check control module. It's going to be a simple fix. Replace Fuse for front cigarette lighter. Great video. Air and fuel filters change.

    • @grantp7975
      @grantp7975 23 дня назад

      If there is a filter on the end of the pickup pipe in the tank, check it. Once had a brand new vehicle that would not run at more than 40 mph. Admittedly it was a little older than this one and with a carb.
      After a lot of things tried we emptied a full tank of fuel, removed the tank and found that the gauze filter on the end of the pickup pipe was rammed so far onto the pipe that it was trying to collect fuel through about 8 layers of folded over and sewn together gauze. All was good once we removed that. And the engine no longer ran hot due to a lean mix.
      That particular vehicle was a long and sorry story that sticks clearly in my mind decades later.

  • @knowone6214
    @knowone6214 20 дней назад

    YAY.....something I can relate to.....old and not so bad compared to the new salvage out there

  • @325xitgrocgetter
    @325xitgrocgetter 23 дня назад

    A couple of years ago, I had a Buick LaCrosse with the 3800 that would surge and buck. One shop replaced the MAF and it drove marginally better. I got a second opinion from another shop and said the replacement MAF was aftermarket and suggested an OEM AC Delco unit...which fixed the issue.
    When I was a freshman at a Junior College, fall 1984...a new 1985 Olds 98 was delivered to the college's auto tech program. From what I remembered, the car was donated to the school so the students could learn diagnostic testing on the then new computer systems. Almost 40 years later, I'm surprised how much data you could extract from that car using a modern diagnostic reader.

  • @robertmoura7546
    @robertmoura7546 23 дня назад

    Yes a very smooth luxury car to drive, worked on so many of them back in Toronto, there is Olds 98 and Olds 88 too, BLM stands for Block Learn Memory

  • @TheOnespeedbiker
    @TheOnespeedbiker 23 дня назад +6

    Keep in mind these old V6 3.8 efi engines only made 125hp. Even at there best they were dogs. The old joke was the GMC V6s, both 60deg and later 90deg Vortec had the gas mileage of a V8 and power of a 4 cylinder; both were rated around 18mpg, but the V6s had less emissions, where the V8s in trucks were partially exempted.

  • @robertbruneau112
    @robertbruneau112 23 дня назад

    These were pretty good cars
    Alot of people fiddling with stuff caused alot of problems, throttle angle, min idle etc..
    Did alot of tcc sols., tps,
    Solid chassis for sure

  • @davidgrisco1939
    @davidgrisco1939 23 дня назад +3

    Just started watching...my initial guess is EGR / vacuum issues.

  • @Sandmansa
    @Sandmansa 23 дня назад

    This brings back some memories. I used to have Oldsmobile like that. But mine was an 87 Delta 88 Royal Brougham. Picked it up for $450 back in 2005. It barely ran or stop. But the rest of the car looked mint. I just needed a cheap car to kick around in for a little while and this just fit the bill. It made a terrible rattle noise at idle. I knew exactly what the problem was, but the guy I got it from honestly thought the engine was shot. I replaced the broken harmonic balancer. As well as the plugs, wires and coils, brake pads, rotors and tires. Oh, and a pair of front sway bar links. I drove that car for 5 trouble free years after that. Wound up selling it in 2010 for $2,000. I kind of wish I never sold it.

  • @ppeterson9359
    @ppeterson9359 23 дня назад

    We drove an ‘80 Cutlass until ~’91. It was the last of the old-school, RWD, carbureted cars we had. This ‘85 seems pretty modern in comparison.

  • @big2868
    @big2868 23 дня назад

    I had a low milage "1985 Park Avenue Select 60" It developed an issue with the torque converter and would buck at highway speeds! This video also brought to mind many other issues I had with the same car including a clogged catalytic converter. It got red hot one night on the freeway. I had never been stranded until I bought this lemon of a car. The very next day I traded it in and drove Cadillacs worry free for the next 30+ years. I personally think that the 3800 engine was way overrated!

  • @rodvan-zeller6360
    @rodvan-zeller6360 22 дня назад

    At 11:57, Stopped the video and here, what I used to do in these cases, ( I am twice your age Ivan LOL) hystograph the MAF and TPS, yes back than I had a snap-on graphic multimeter that would do that.

  • @bernardaflores1720
    @bernardaflores1720 23 дня назад +2

    The car is older than my son. I rode in those cars and they were very comfy.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 23 дня назад +1

      I miss those velour sofa like GM seats. That was a road trip car. Soft suspension, tires with some sidewall to soak up road imperfections.

  • @gbowne1
    @gbowne1 23 дня назад

    Catalyst EGR/ORC... "ORC" stands for Oxygenated Reformulated Gasoline Control which was some weird set up to help reduce emissions (prior to the Clean air act of 1990). Reformulated gasoline at least from what I read is gas/fuel with no or very little sulfur. Another thing they might use is Ethanol gas/fuel. being around 40 years later, I couldnt find a lot of information about the ORC control specifically.

  • @user-gr5nq4ji4l
    @user-gr5nq4ji4l 23 дня назад +1

    Your fuel injectors are old and the internal resistance could be wonkers. Should be around 12.3 ohms each. If even only one is bad, it will drive the computer nuts. They are easy to get to. only takes a few minutes to do this. I hope this helps. Always watch your videos and love them.

  • @firstlast---
    @firstlast--- 23 дня назад

    That's a sweet ride

  • @Horatio1886build
    @Horatio1886build 23 дня назад +1

    The parts are out there! I still will just put my 2 cents in that there was a massive warranty campaign on the catalytic converters in the 80s by GM- drove many a shade tree guy nuts because you could seem to “ improve” it slightly by pulling sensor plugs etc but was a red herring. This will be interesting I am surprised more old GM techs arn’t chiming in. I’mm 64 and11/12 the 🤓

  • @dustcommander100
    @dustcommander100 23 дня назад

    It blew me away to see it had a MAF sensor! I thought they used TPS and MAP sensors to calculate air flow. My friend's 95 Dakota had no MAF sensor, and blinked the Chevk Engine light to show the codes. When we found his TPS was bad, he unplugged it. Drove it for years and never bought a replacement sensor....