this is splendid. learning so much quality from you already and I appreciate you. In any case possible, can you do same with the mackie dl32r? I own the mackie dl32r and i recently invested in the superrack performer. The input and output routing is a challenge. Hope you can help out.
Great video Chad. Is the latency usable in a live band situation (ie Rehearsal) or does that wait for the inevitable card solution for the WING console. Assume that this does not come with any Wave plug ins or demos?
I think that overall, it is usable live but that you may need to use the insert trick for vocals especially. You can demo the plugins and software for free for 7 days :) -Chad
You can use inserts like in the video but only on a certain number of channels since you have a limited number of external insert slots available. You can also double-patch channels but, unless you only need a small number of channels, this can be very wasteful. Or you can get a separate console for monitors and send the unprocessed channels to that monitor console.
Do i have to route all my input on usb because i can't take the risk of software crash, i prefer patch my drums and lead singer mic on usb and the rest of input will come directly from stage box, i haven't use superack on wings but i do on m32
That’s why we set up those buttons to switch inputs. That said, no, you don’t have to send everything. Part of the reason I like to is to guarantee that all the channels are in sync with one another as SuperRack will introduce some latency to your channels. This is more of a big deal if you sent just the kick and snare but not the whole drum set but I prefer to do it with everything.
Hey Chad, thanks for the Video. Is there a way that i can use Waves super rack Performer and simultaneously record / playback all the 40 Channels via Multitrack recording? cuz i would like to do the virtuell sound check to do the fine tuning after band is left. Thanks
The best way that I have found is to utilize the SD Card slots that are built into the WING. Setup a scoped snapshot that only changes routing and sends audio to your USB from the Card instead for when you want to do a virtual soundcheck. Don’t forget to also make a scoped snapshot to reset your “live” routing as well :)
@@AWTechTuesday Thanks Chad. When we are doing the virtuell Sound check via SD card, Is there a easy way to select where the toms are, or where a certain thing happens and to loop this so that it repeats till i finish my processins or changes, practically what we d in DAW?
@@AWTechTuesday Hi Chad I'm a volunteer at my local church, we are looking to incorporate waves into our behringer x32 system. I am able to route audio from the mixer to waves and back in to the console. Now my dilemma is how to send/route audio to a secondary PC that runs Vmix for our Livestream ( we currently use a matrix mix for our Livestream with the x-usb card) Thank you for the help and suggestions.
@@gboyega unless you’re running VMix on the same computer as Waves, you aren’t going to be able to do that. Some alternatives: - setup an audio interface for VMix. Go from 2 analog outputs on your mixer to the VMix rig. - Or get a Dante card and send to VMix via Dante instead. Keep in mind that this will eat up 2 possible channels for Waves processing. -Chad
Thx for the video . Question : My friend is using SuperRack performer on a Macbook Pro 2014 ( os big sure) with dante virtual soundcard and Sq5 usb but no audio is passing thru. We try with reaper to make sure and it works. We follow all the steps in SRP but no result. Any idea ? Thx
If you’re recording on the same computer, you will either need to use a separate computer or someone like JACK Audio to route the recorded audio through to Waves. Here’s an old video demonstrating this process - m.ruclips.net/video/75pK5DcZTpk/видео.html
We are not recording, we just use Reaper to comfirm that audio was going tru the computer via Dante or Hallen&Heat Sq5 usb. Everything is patched well in SuperRack Performer No audio is passing. I was wondering if we miss a step somewhere like drivers or something else.
Hi Chad, now that SP is priced comparably to LiveProfessor 2...do you have any thoughts on which platform may be better? LP2 looks like it allows you to also use non-Waves plugs as well, but the UI isn't as nice as SP.
Great question. LP was nice enough to let me try their software a few years back. Maybe it was an issue with my computer (MacBook Pro), but it would crash constantly. I REALLY like the idea of having access to all of my plugins beyond Waves but there are only a couple that I have in mind. If they offer some sort of trial option, I’d test it out and see how it works with your rig. You can trial the Waves goodies for 7 days so test that out for sure :) -Chad
Got a question I know the x32 has a FX called wave designer I'm so on some these videos I have seen it on the wing but I don't have on my one can some tell me the reason for ??
I’m pretty sure that Wave Designer is a Rack Effect on the X32 but is in the compressor section on the Wing. Meaning that you don’t need to burn one of your FX Racks to utilize that plugin on the Wing :)
Great video the external effect option is the best one but the bad thing about routings through the effects you only have 16 assignable options in your 40 channels. I wish there was a way to have a waves card for the wing like the x32
This is an old video and I haven’t tested this program recently, but this was the solution 5 years ago. May still work today. Another option is to add a Klark Teknik DN9630. With some sneaky routing, that can be used to route audio in and out of a multitrack recording. Hope that helps m.ruclips.net/video/75pK5DcZTpk/видео.html
@@AWTechTuesday dang that’s decently high. Between plugins and 13 milliseconds do you think the latency for FOH would be bad? What’s the most latency you think you could get away with?
@@kevindavis2332 the plugins I use the most have essentially no added latency (Waves F6, real-time Tune, CLA-2A, CLA-76). There is a meter that will tell you the latency per rack in samples or milliseconds. The latency for what the crowd hears will have very little impact on the sound at those levels. The impact on the musicians is the bigger issue. Usually, latency becomes noticeable around 20ms so we’re just below that in this situation. For those that can feel it, you can use the insert technique from the video but it adds complexity and can only be done for maybe 13 channels. If you’re using Waves Real-Time Tune, you will probably want to use the insert technique on those channels. For the other channels, communicate with your musicians and avoid plugins that add a ton of latency and see how it goes :) Btw, you can trial the plugins and Performer for a week before purchasing to make sure it’s a good fit for your team :) -Chad
I have been waiting for your video since the superrack performer took us by storm. Thank you.
Haha. Happy to oblige :)
I hope you find it helpful. What mixer are you going to be using it with? Wing or something else?
@@AWTechTuesday I'll be using it with the wing. Just waiting for a good weekend to dive into the setup process.
this is splendid. learning so much quality from you already and I appreciate you. In any case possible, can you do same with the mackie dl32r? I own the mackie dl32r and i recently invested in the superrack performer. The input and output routing is a challenge. Hope you can help out.
I don’t have access to that mixer or else I would love to. Sorry!!
@@AWTechTuesdayI appreciate
Great video Chad. Is the latency usable in a live band situation (ie Rehearsal) or does that wait for the inevitable card solution for the WING console. Assume that this does not come with any Wave plug ins or demos?
I think that overall, it is usable live but that you may need to use the insert trick for vocals especially.
You can demo the plugins and software for free for 7 days :)
-Chad
so that last bit about not hearing super rack in the IEMs is there a way to do that for all channels at once? or do you have to do it individually?
You can use inserts like in the video but only on a certain number of channels since you have a limited number of external insert slots available. You can also double-patch channels but, unless you only need a small number of channels, this can be very wasteful. Or you can get a separate console for monitors and send the unprocessed channels to that monitor console.
Do i have to route all my input on usb because i can't take the risk of software crash, i prefer patch my drums and lead singer mic on usb and the rest of input will come directly from stage box, i haven't use superack on wings but i do on m32
That’s why we set up those buttons to switch inputs. That said, no, you don’t have to send everything. Part of the reason I like to is to guarantee that all the channels are in sync with one another as SuperRack will introduce some latency to your channels. This is more of a big deal if you sent just the kick and snare but not the whole drum set but I prefer to do it with everything.
Hey Chad, thanks for the Video. Is there a way that i can use Waves super rack Performer and simultaneously record / playback all the 40 Channels via Multitrack recording? cuz i would like to do the virtuell sound check to do the fine tuning after band is left. Thanks
The best way that I have found is to utilize the SD Card slots that are built into the WING. Setup a scoped snapshot that only changes routing and sends audio to your USB from the Card instead for when you want to do a virtual soundcheck. Don’t forget to also make a scoped snapshot to reset your “live” routing as well :)
@@AWTechTuesday Thanks Chad. When we are doing the virtuell Sound check via SD card, Is there a easy way to select where the toms are, or where a certain thing happens and to loop this so that it repeats till i finish my processins or changes, practically what we d in DAW?
@@livemixpriyan Not as easy as with a DAW but yes, you can create market and create loops :)
@@AWTechTuesday Hi Chad
I'm a volunteer at my local church, we are looking to incorporate waves into our behringer x32 system. I am able to route audio from the mixer to waves and back in to the console.
Now my dilemma is how to send/route audio to a secondary PC that runs Vmix for our Livestream ( we currently use a matrix mix for our Livestream with the x-usb card)
Thank you for the help and suggestions.
@@gboyega unless you’re running VMix on the same computer as Waves, you aren’t going to be able to do that. Some alternatives:
- setup an audio interface for VMix. Go from 2 analog outputs on your mixer to the VMix rig.
- Or get a Dante card and send to VMix via Dante instead. Keep in mind that this will eat up 2 possible channels for Waves processing.
-Chad
Thx for the video . Question : My friend is using SuperRack performer on a Macbook Pro 2014 ( os big sure) with dante virtual soundcard and Sq5 usb but no audio is passing thru. We try with reaper to make sure and it works. We follow all the steps in SRP but no result. Any idea ? Thx
If you’re recording on the same computer, you will either need to use a separate computer or someone like JACK Audio to route the recorded audio through to Waves.
Here’s an old video demonstrating this process - m.ruclips.net/video/75pK5DcZTpk/видео.html
We are not recording, we just use Reaper to comfirm that audio was going tru the computer via Dante or Hallen&Heat Sq5 usb. Everything is patched well in SuperRack Performer No audio is passing. I was wondering if we miss a step somewhere like drivers or something else.
Do you Have to assing a latency group ? That’s the only thing we didn’t do. Thx again.
Did you route the audio in the SQ to your USB card?
On the SQ, I suggest using tie lines to route your audio to the USB card directly from your pre-amps.
Hi Chad, now that SP is priced comparably to LiveProfessor 2...do you have any thoughts on which platform may be better? LP2 looks like it allows you to also use non-Waves plugs as well, but the UI isn't as nice as SP.
Great question. LP was nice enough to let me try their software a few years back. Maybe it was an issue with my computer (MacBook Pro), but it would crash constantly. I REALLY like the idea of having access to all of my plugins beyond Waves but there are only a couple that I have in mind.
If they offer some sort of trial option, I’d test it out and see how it works with your rig. You can trial the Waves goodies for 7 days so test that out for sure :)
-Chad
@@AWTechTuesday could be good to give it another shot, I believe they offer 100 day trial
@@fenderjose401 May work better on PC?
@@AWTechTuesday I use LP on pc and its rock stable
@@DustySeven7 what are the specs of your PC for that?
Got a question I know the x32 has a FX called wave designer I'm so on some these videos I have seen it on the wing but I don't have on my one can some tell me the reason for ??
I’m pretty sure that Wave Designer is a Rack Effect on the X32 but is in the compressor section on the Wing. Meaning that you don’t need to burn one of your FX Racks to utilize that plugin on the Wing :)
Great video the external effect option is the best one but the bad thing about routings through the effects you only have 16 assignable options in your 40 channels.
I wish there was a way to have a waves card for the wing like the x32
I’m surprised that we haven’t seen one yet.
I know is crazy but hopefully we get one soon 🤞🏼
@@chrisj5643 you can get the WING-DANTE card, which works similar to the X-WSG card
Why is having the card a better option?
@@BjorgenEatinger The card options usually provide less latency.
With the first routing version, a virtual sound check is not possible, is it?
This is an old video and I haven’t tested this program recently, but this was the solution 5 years ago. May still work today. Another option is to add a Klark Teknik DN9630. With some sneaky routing, that can be used to route audio in and out of a multitrack recording.
Hope that helps
m.ruclips.net/video/75pK5DcZTpk/видео.html
What’s the inherent latency before the plugins for that 32 buffer size?
I need to verify this, but I’m pretty sure that it was 13ms roundtrip.
-Chad
@@AWTechTuesday dang that’s decently high. Between plugins and 13 milliseconds do you think the latency for FOH would be bad? What’s the most latency you think you could get away with?
@@kevindavis2332 the plugins I use the most have essentially no added latency (Waves F6, real-time Tune, CLA-2A, CLA-76). There is a meter that will tell you the latency per rack in samples or milliseconds. The latency for what the crowd hears will have very little impact on the sound at those levels. The impact on the musicians is the bigger issue. Usually, latency becomes noticeable around 20ms so we’re just below that in this situation. For those that can feel it, you can use the insert technique from the video but it adds complexity and can only be done for maybe 13 channels. If you’re using Waves Real-Time Tune, you will probably want to use the insert technique on those channels. For the other channels, communicate with your musicians and avoid plugins that add a ton of latency and see how it goes :)
Btw, you can trial the plugins and Performer for a week before purchasing to make sure it’s a good fit for your team :)
-Chad
@@AWTechTuesday thanks for the reply! I appreciate it. Think Dante would be better in this situation, should theoretically be less latency I think.