Why Would a Vedic Astrologer use the Tropical Zodiac?
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- Опубликовано: 19 апр 2013
- Presented by Ryan Kurczak of Asheville Vedic Astrology. From Track 30 of "Introducing the Lajjitaadi Avashtas" MP3 Downloadable Course. For more information on downloadable MP3 classes or astrological sessions please visit: Or email Ryan at
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A much-needed video. Thanks, Ryan.
Thank you Ryan for the video. I don´t agree with the statement that the more you use intuition as a healing tool in astrology, the more spiritual power for liberation you lose. What I feel is that one loses spiritual power when acting without compassion and focusing on the illusion of the ego, with or without siddhis. People should not be afraid and avoid using intuition in their readings, but really meditate and pray more so that knowlegde, spiritual power and prana they accumulate can truly help people. Like any other power, if it is used to selflessly win a battle or to humiliate someone, or to show up, etc, for sure this is losing energy. But if they are used for a higher purpose, this is merit. Merit that will help that soul to attain tranquility and moksha. I personally don´t believe it can be possible to read a chart only by rational thinking. it´s for sure a combination between a basic technique and a deeper insight. I think great masters don´t show up any sidhis because they want us to strive for the higher goal of life that is beyond yogic powers. but if yogic powers are used to help people to overcome suffering, this helps the yogi to meditate deeper and be happier too. for example, by recording so much videos you might lose energy and time, and you could be meditating more. but you are using the resources you have to practice Dharma and that´s helping you on your path... Thank you
Interesting insights, thanks. I have an observation as one who entered the ‘electric age’ with a Divine Light and Love awakening after 30 years of heart centered healing work,: as long as you stay centered and use your intelligence the intuition flows and flows like any other aspect of your awareness, yet going through the gate to multidimensional awareness the energies of Consciousness can include rough seas, yet with relaxing the ego and Spiritual love the new normal is a more blissful oneness. I enjoy all the faculties as qualities from our core. It’s like being a pioneer in deep Soul trauma healing with inner Guide partnering. Peace
Ryan, I have come across the "dilemma" that when looking over the charts of friends/relatives, it appears behaviorally that many relate more closely to their sidereal sign placement vs tropical. But, that applying the tropical zodiac to the dashas and avastash is more accurate predictably. Have you experienced something similar? Do you recommend to interchange or keep the system separate interely?
Thank you very much.
Been following your videos for a year now (many thanks for all the useful information you provided, will provide a thank you post/email, I can't help but connect with emotions when I watch your videos now, for you were a huge guru through some trying times, lotsa love, Ryan
I use tropical zodiac with Parashara and Jaimini Techniques. Yes, divine time astrology chart calculator is nearly exactly what I use. Glad to be there when you needed.
Thank you! have asked so many astrologers and got no response.
Wonderful to hear this. I am exposed to both the zodiacs and Dos and donts of techniques specially when we shift zodiacs.
But it would be great if you clarify if you meant to use All (literally) all of the Parashara system on Tropical zodiac ? Meaning.. would you still use Avastha's, Shad balas, Exaltation, debilitation, Mool trikon etc on tropical zodiac as if it was Sidereal ?
How do you treat Parivartan yogas etc in there ?
Thanks.
Thank you 🙏
Any time!
staggering and yet challenging for beginners
one asked asked about how a tropical reading would affect the dasa's
my question is whether tropical degree's affect the lunar mansions
pretty impressed by the sorts of Vedic authorities that are now suggesting the use of the tropical calculations...........bye the way really get the deeper motivations
Should we use tropical degrees for the atmakaraka
Could u recommend free birth chart of vedic astro where using tropical zodiac please
Vault of the heavens Ernst Wilhelm website or his software Kala
Most definitely. Many techniques that no one hardly ever used from BPHS work perfectly with tropical zodiac. That's why no one used them or said they didn't work, because they didn't with sidereal. Lajjitaadi avashtas, balaadi avashtas, Ishta/Kashta, all of it.
I use middle of Mula, Galactic Center Ayanamsha. Not all programs have that possibility. You would need to do some research on that if it doesn't have it in your software program.
A quick question. Does the advent of tropical zodiac change the Vedic calendar months such as Pitru-paksha, Purushottam-masa etc?
RUclips won't let me post a link. I use Kala. You can get a basic free calculation by going to tropical-vedic-astrology(period)net and clicking on the free chart calculator.
my chart is completly changed when shifting zodiacs. sidereal is spot on,, everything. tropical just doesn't stand the scrutiny at all. i do notice that it works better for some individuals. we have still lot to learn and understand. i have my own theories and intuiting but still uncovering more of it as time moves on
My ascendant in tropical zodiac is cancer which I have never identified myself with, but then when I discovered vedic astrology I found out my rising is actually Gemini which I can really relate to, HOWEVER...all my other placements make more sense in the tropical zodiac. So I am a bit confused ....but will keep searching and examining my chart and other peoples charts.
+Gemini Rising Sun Virgo tropical-vedic-astrology.net/how-can-tropical-and-sidereal-zodiac-work-in-vedic-astrology/
Gemini Rising Sun Virgo wow I feel the exact same way. I'm a sag ascendant in sidereal, and all the houses feel much more accurate with my life path. But then tropical seems like it could be more accurate on the planetary positions in the signs....it's weird
Where is your moon?
How does all this affect the Dashas? in software, what Ayanamsha is used?
The search function is at the bottom of the articles.
Interesting; so what is that--the precession rate of Galactic Center Ayanamsha?
Ex: if Lahiri is 50.2719,and Krishnamurti is 50.2388475, what is this Galictic ctr?
Where are the Lajitaadi Avasthas covered in BPHS? I have the Ranjan edition and it says they are in chapter 45 but then when I looked through I couldn't find them, or at least not clearly. Is it in book two or is it hidden in that section (ch45) perhaps under another name? From my current understanding of it (Lajitaadi Avasthas), it is related to the mathematical approach to the aspects outlined earlier in the text. I am studying this stuff on my own for now as I am taking other courses on astrology at this present time. I really want to milk BPHS for all I can before going to take a course like the one you offer. Basically I just want to see how far I can get with this stuff without courses and then when I really hit a wall I will probably go take some courses.
+Lars Panaro See what chapter has "avashtas" in it in your version. You should find it there.
If the dasa system is based on the nakshatras which is star based how can you use the tropical system? I understand using it on the zodiac birth chart.
The calculation of the dashas is sidereal (starting from the Moon's nakshatra) but then the interpretation of the dasha is tropical (the analysis of each planet, its dignity and the houses it rules).
Does Dashas ( both rashi and nakshetra) also change as per tropical system ?
Dipti Padhi Depends on the ayanamsha too.
I just finished my 2nd Saturn return and went through a 12 year flood, changing everything in a massive way. Finding Astrology was part of healing and Looking at Kala, the Tropical Dasa's worked up until the flood which started at 48. After 12 years of healing, now I find the Dasa's work better using Fagen Allen Sidereal. Also the Saturn boot, task master, on my life is more clear using Sidereal. I am thinking Tropical is strong at the material level early in life and at the cosmic level Sidereal speaks at another level. Today I look at both. Common sense point: If you are drunk everyday, you are at the base level and don't need astrology. If you get over your trauma, you learn to dance and you want to learn new moves.
4th house deals with pets, 6th deals with farm animals. Who is transiting your 4th house or where is your 4th lord during this time?
Wow that explains something for me! Thank u!
Go to my website and search for "mystery of the zodiac". There is a lengthy article and free 2 hour mp3 download explaining this.
As per my tropical chart, my AK is sun, in vedic it is saturn, complete contrast
Lol
I feel like it's also important to talk about how the stars have moved, and the tropical zodiac marks points in the universe/deep space that the constellations were marking 2000 years ago or so...do I have that right? that seems much more accurate to me, to measure the points in space that these theories were based on (2000 yrs ago), rather than where the stars are having moved away from those places (sidereal) which seems a bit superficial
Is it truly the stars moving away from the positions or is it the wounded sun lagging behind. Anciently, the axis of the earth was straight and perpendicular and a year was exactly 360 degrees, 360 days... All ancients myths tell of a tremendous earth cataclysm, after which we begin to get the myths of the sun-god who dies and is ressurected, which never happened before that. I personally believe the sun currently is a wounded sun and it is the stars who have remained intact.
Hi Ryan do you use the same nakshatras?
Sidereal nakshatras
So it's just a matter of using one's tropical natal chart (or just positions) - but with everything else being based on jyotish? In my case it changes everything. With tropical positions I've both ve and me in lagna. Sidereal lagna is empty.
+Marc Jones Yes, the tropical zodiac positions, but use the Vedic Astrological techniques as outlined in Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, or Jaimini Sutras. If you are not familiar with those, I will be posting a LONG series of videos on them beginning January 2016 if all goes well.
+Ryan Kurczak Thanks. This makes mince meat out of all my delineations via Dirah's lessons.
Should have asked here... Might it be that sidereal is better suited for objective events - while tropical is more geared for psychology? Events... do seem to follow sidereal transits. Not always but ya know...
More power to your endeavors.
There IS a 'differential zodiac' - a zodiac combining both tropical and vedic - calcuable by dividing the difference in degree, between, them both. This would be the most 'in tune' for people whom have been resonating with both tropical and vedic.
No. That is silly.
@@RyansVedicAstrology No it isn't. It's literally the only ONE that is both. If it was ever 'silly' BOTH others would be 'silly' too. And two..
It would and will always be not silly because the difference will always be exactly calcuable from vedic and the procession of constellations and western and the ecliptic ie: 24° roughly. That would make 'differential' astrology, THE most ACCURATE BOTH.
Still very very confusing for me.
I don't know which should I chose.
Many general prediction goes right when I use my Tropical Chart but when I try to use us Maha/Antar Dasa using tropical chart I found no match or connection with reality...
***** I understand. You also need to use the Middle of Mula Galactic Center Ayanamsha for that to work best.
@@RyansVedicAstrology why do u use ayanamsa if u use tropical zodiac? I dont get it :O
@@user-df1fp6ns5uthis is what I was thinking about
@@user-df1fp6ns5ubecause we still neeed nakshatra
Intuition represents spiritual truth. The other is just giving yourself up to machinery. It's like using the car instead of walking or cycling... you get around, for sure, but your body weakens, yes don't 'retain' energy... you're actually losing it, because you don't train it. You pass by, but you never actually can take something in.
P.S. What happens with your karma depends on you, not the state of planets.
Having said that, tropical is interesting in terms of seasons... but that depends on where one is! Tropical considerations (not necessarily the zodiac) are important because the interpretations of sidereal signs also got imput form seasonal symbolism (e.g. Leo greatest heat, Aries spring); exaltations: why the sun in Aries, not because it goes into longer days? So these need to be adjusted even in sidereal charts, I think. However, the actual subtle energy is sidereal (where intuition comes into play, which you so dread). I agree with the commentators here, that sidereal astrology (as you would acknowledge with nakshatras, at least in part) is more profound and tells you about real challenges... rather than the clockwork seasons that play it out by themselves.
He wouldn't, if results mean anything.
Ex: JU, L12,entered Sidereal GE (Grt Enemy) my 6th hse from Cap Asc.in early June. within 2 days, (surprisingly) I had to put my beloved dog down(cancer) the diagnosis was not at all expected. later in month, bruised knee cartilage(been on disability since) in freak gardening accident. Pets, Physical ailments..manifest when funct malefic JU (Lord 12) ENTERS 6TH.
My Experience...
I have always felt vedic was more accurate for me My ascendant changes from Libra to scorpio when i switch to tropical and also planets make sense to me more in sidereal so my side is sidereal he he
though it works differently for everyone
you should at least use Tropical for Lajitaadi Avashtas.
@@rabeechowdhury in brief, how do you define Lajitaadi Avashtas? Thanks.
Wow. Ok...My transiting 4th lord, Mars was conjunct L4 Mars in the 5th house .to the day...
My wifes 4th lord, Venus, was transiting her 12 hse and transiting Saturn was conjunct her Swakshestra VE in 4
i do believe the 4th is Pets. Thanks.
I am a classical astrologer dealing with Hellenistic and medieval astrology. Now I would like to look into Vedic astrology, mainly because of naskshatras. The sidereal zodiac scares me. My ascendant, Pluto, saturn and jupiter are in the sign of libra, the ruler of the ascendant is in Leo in the 10th house, in the sidereal its virgo, which is absolute nonsense for me, the libra are very strong in me incorporated, they are part of my personality, as is the essence of Venus in Leo. I have absolutely nothing from a Virgo, so I would say sidereal doesnt work. Michaela
Can the baladi avashtas be seen in Jagannath Hora? If so, do you know where? Thanks
I don't have JH so don't know.
But you can easily memorize them. They aren't complicated. Then you don't need any software. See Art and Science of Vedic Astrology Volume 2 book.
Is that a video or where I look for that? Thanks so much.
exactly opposite for me (considering I don't know much about astrology)
vedic chart doom n gloom
western chart seems more optimistic
Depends on who reads the chart really.
Could you give any insight on why the nakshastras don't line up in degrees for the chart calculator on tropical-vedic-astrology. net?
EX) Gemini Ascendant 18:52 with Mrigasira
Find the video I did on "What are the Nakshatras Really" with Ernst Wilhelm. That will explain it.
Will do. Thanks again!
But our tropical signs arent our actual signs
You mean to say, they aren't constellations.
@@RyansVedicAstrology Yes I get what you mean. To put it in your terms, based on the tropical calendar they ARE our signs however astronomically they're not our signs. Isnt astronomy what was actually in the sky during our birth? If the sun was is Capricornus at my birth shouldnt that make me a Capricorn? I just dont get how all 3 interpretations of our birth chart Tropical, Siderial and Astronomical can be accurate if they all give me different signs respectively. To me only the astronomical version seems logical
Yes they are
Kris if you were to truly use where the 12 constellations are- scorpio would only be like 5 days long and all the signs would be unequal in length. They arent all 30 degrees apart ovbiously.
this is so stupid. tropical is wrong. yes the seasonal effects matter. like relative position between Sun and moon and other planets. but tropical is just wrong.
concepts like Gandanta doesn't apply in tropical.
you can use animal/ plants names instead for seasonal zodiac but saying that Sun is in Aries when there is Pisces actually makes no sense. like Celtic or Mayan zodica are based on seasons
sidereal is very accurate. tropical is not. I use dto follow tropical before I knew what Vedic astrology. but my life events are extremely accurate by sidereal zodiac. every Dasha antardasha applies to sidereal
I'm glad you have a system that works for you.
Its not stupid ur stupid. Ryan is an excellent teachers
In my case, the sidereal chart may work better, but the mahadasha sequence is really messed up. Only when I go tropical, I see my Atmakaraka is Saturn, who is also the lord of my Moon sign, so if I start my Vimshottari sequence from Saturn, EVERYTHING falls precisely into place. However, it could also work in the sidereal chart, but only when you do 30 - Saturn's degree, because Saturn is retrograde, and then you will see the Vimshottari sequence make sense. I think not only Rahu and Ketu, but also ANY planet who is retrograde, its degrees must be subtracted from 30 to obtain the actual karaka.