DREAM THEATER DOES POP MUSIC BETTER | Mike The Music Snob
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Axis of Awesome's song 4 Chords was a fantastic satire on the overuse of the I, V, vi, IV chord progression. Believe it or not Dream Theater (among many other musicians) have also used this progression.....but they put a little twist on it.
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Dream Theater was the light in my music tunnel. They made me a prententious prog snob, and I thank them for that forever.
My thoughts and experience exactly. They opened a gate of appreciation, a way of open-mindedness, a gold mine of multiple musical pieces and much more. It's a miracle they hit me in the right time and place. Who knows if I was younger or older, it would have worked out differently. Gladly it didn't.
Slimy_the _horrible_Guitarist I want to learn more about prog, Can You Teach me some groups of this style? I really sorry for my bad english xD
Jean Pierre Nossa symphony x, tool, gojira for prog metal and rush por prog rock
Erik MetalyRock Thank You!
Jean Pierre Nossa You should listen to Opeth, Haken, Porcupine Tree, Periphery and King Crimson. All of them have very different styles but every one of them is amazing.
*Mike’s next video:* reasons why I’m a sad guitar player
We need more of videos of you going technical as fuck and geeking out over Dream Theater.
Actually just make nothing but those kinds of videos from now on. :D
I's like an analysis of buckethead too
I think you should make music theory education videos into a regular series. This was more comprehensible than anything I've seen from most music teachers. It did require some prior knowledge, but still an excellent example based explanation.
Would love to hear you comment on DT's suites: Change of Seasons, Octavarium, The Count Of Tuscany, Illumination Theory, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance, In the Presence of Enemies, and Scenes From A Memory.
I think octavarium is his favorite DT song (other than on the backs of angels)
He did tuscany on SSF
He really likes in the presence of enemies (pt 1 more than 2)
He says scenes from a memory is one of their best albums objectively (but its not his favorite)
The other three I dont know
*Mike uploads an actual Music Snob video.*
*Pauses >insert Opeth song here< immediately and clicks the video.*
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Which song is it??
Abid Hassan Something off of Orchid. I think Forrest of October?
Dream Theater is like RUSH + more math
You can really tell Alex Lifesons influence on John's rythem playing , and Steve Morese's influence on his lead playing
lowest common denominator here is Rush.
Neil's influence alone, to break it down to the root.
Math? What?
But rushs music is better
@@frankgradeenofficial Hell no
I love that *Q U A L I T Y C O N T E N T*
Word
Hi Dman
You look like you're crying each time you play guitar.
SHUT UP I'M NOT CRYING
"While my Mike gently weeps..."
Endless Pies Please do.
Petrucci told him to sell his guitar on ebay. :(
The Art Of Knighting
"Hey it's Mike, with Become the *D A N K* "
I don’t know anything about music theory, but you did a great job of explaining everything - even though I didn’t get some of the terms you used
I was kinda afraid of that. The video would probably be an hour long if I explained all of the terms so I tried to cover as much of the essential ground as possible. Thanks for watching \m/
Become The Knight that fine, man. Still enjoyed it and learned something new
Pervis, this is an adolescent phase that most of us (hopefully) grow out of. When you're young and typically male you look for ways to differentiate yourself from your peers, and if you have a technical affinity you devote a lot of time to learning about music theory for the sake of it, which causes you to get totally one sided and limited. But then you get older and hopefully develop some taste and look back and say "god what a fool I used to be".
But I can save you a lot of time right now by telling you to not do this. Learn some great music from great bands and try to not be intimidated or impressed by dry technical terminology (lots of fancy sounding names for mostly simple stuff). If you spend your youth listening to Dream Theater all the time you will essentially turn yourself into a one-dimensional music nerd (and typically a cocky one who pretends he's got some greater insight when it comes to music- BUT DOESN'T). You are what you listen to just like you are what you eat. And Dream Theater is like the fancy-named dish at the casino food court.
Matt Markus
No, I learned music theory for songwriting and to be better at guitar and I'm a teen. So, it's not really a differentiating feature from my peers, it's something I wanted to learn because I'm really interested and invested on it, the same might be for the one who wrote the comment.
Pardon my grammatical errors, I have trouble wording my expressions
@@mattmarkus4868 that’s a fucking stupid ass take dude how is wanting to understand music a teenage phase
"Ministry of Lost Souls has most likely my favorite outro of any song ever"
This. So much this.
By some god rotten luck I have only now found your channel. But this... this made me subscribe instantly. Keep it up man!
And then the unease and tension gets turned up to 11 as the fade out of Ministry goes into the start of In the Presence of Enemies part 2 which is a creepy as fuck tune for the first few minutes
Astonishing If you have never done it before I'd recommend you listen to In the Presence of Enemies as one 25 minute song because it's fucking awsome
Dude I thought I was the only one who loves the ending solo of ministry of lost souls!!
Dude. It's amazing.
Become The Knight it really is man. And you know the first time I heard the album was when my older brother would listen to it while playing Zelda. I was only in like 6th grade. Every time I hear it it reminds me of being a kid again
I’ve never quite been able to get into Dream Theater for some reason. Why I constantly scratch my head about. I respect THE FUCK out of their sheer talent, and what they’re doing, It just doesn’t grab me for some reason... This song though... I actually really dig it. I think it might be something tonaly or timbrally? Then again, it just might be that I haven’t heard enough of their stuff yet. I actually didn’t like Floyd at first, but it’s really grown on me in recent years For the record I actually went and listened to the whole track, and yeah, it really comes together when considered as a piece.
Mind you, though I haven’t been able to get into them much (and it might be just not finding the right gateway songs for me yet) their skill, the way they work the music into service of the theme of the song (and this one’s a REALLY good example of it).
I'm a musician and I absolutely love the music theory talk, could you do more videos about music theory?
BOI the start of the video is amazing
Although, as I always do, I always hit like first and then watch the vid
Love Dream Theater!
13:15 "Bass happiness / bass sadness": *John Myung's expressionless face x2. Amirite? 😂
Lmao I should have added those as images
Had my high school teacher explained physics to me the way you and Samuraiguitarist explain music theory, I would have probably been on my way to winning a Nobel prize now. Just sayin'.
All jokes aside, your exposition was very clear (I mean, I'll have to watch the video another couple of times to fully understand what you're saying, but at least my first thought wasn't "This is too complicated") even to someone who knows very little about music theory, IMO.
Keep up the good work, Mike! \m/
One fun fact about me is I wasn't good in Physics at all but I'm good at explaining the 'Mechanical waves' to my guitar students as a guitarist to guitarist so they'd understand better and easier this lesson. All of this thanks to the harmonics, frets, etc.
I am so happy that you made this. I really love your contents man. Please do keep up your amazing work.
Always saw the Ministry of Lost Souls as a fucking GEM of subtle brilliant composition, and no one ever talks about it, or even knows the song beside the bigger DT fans. Thanks for bringing it to the light brah. And that's without touching on the ridiculous instrumental section in the middle leading TO this outro. Or the whole first 6 or 7 ish minutes building ever so subtly into the heavy section, leaving their development behind for something completely different, only to come back and tweak it again in said outro!
I’ve never touched music theory so I was hopelessly confused. But somehow still managed to enjoy the video. Good job mike
Dream Theater has been my favorite band for over 16 years and I've met the entire band (current members, never met Portnoy 😭) a couple times and James LaBrie three times. They are very nice and it's such an honor to talk to the gods of music lol.
First off, nice new intro! Also, you’ve not only amped up the personality of the Music Snob, but at the same time, you’ve become more visually appealing, especially with the editing. I’m glad to see you’re channel growing. Keep up the awesome work Mike!
*edit*
Also, I’m very fond of this more musically educational video than some of your previous videos. I’m gonna send this over to some of my more “musically educated” friends (aka, my fellow band geeks). They’ll really love this! You could almost make these type of videos exclusive content to paid viewers.
I greatly appreciate the good vibes dude \m/ I much prefer making these videos as well but they do take more time to make. I'm trying to stay on a 2 video a week minimum but going to have a LOT more of these types of videos this year.
Thanks for introducing me to the music of Steve Vai, man! I finally have the answer to the question: what if David Gilmour and Eddie van Halen had a guitarist child together?
Majd Qadi I was actually thinking Eddie Van Halen and Brian May from Queen
Majd Qadi lol
So satisfying finding others who share your passions. This band that got me into prog never ceases to amaze me. Getting someone to articulate (far better than I could ever do) what really makes their music distinct is just fantastic. Cheers!
I honestly love these kind of video in which you take a certain part of a song and geek out analyzing it to its core :D
I like this music analysis videos of bands. I don’t have a lot of theory knowledge and understanding how, why and the cleverness in how bands write their music is just so helpful to my learning.
Thank you so much for showing me this song. I’ve just listened to it and it’s incredible. I’ve never heard anything quite like it before and I don’t think I’ve heard anything with such deep emotion. Keep making awesome videos 🤘🏻
I have been a fan of Dream Theater for a long time. However, I originally found them through dragon ball z of all things. If you are not aware Dream Theater did almost half of the dragonball z history of trunks soundtrack.
I actually had no clue. That is awesome.
Become The Knight m.ruclips.net/p/PLsbx-U6JxN9ANrCuKNJD0j9tL45r5Dlfv here's a link to the soundtrack.
Wow, I thought that playlist was a joke, but Funimation really did it.
Ikr? It's fucking awesome! My two favorite things in one. I remember when I found out that Pantera did a song for Spongebob (the episode where Sandy was close to going into hibernation, so she forced Spongebob to do crazy stunts with her).
Skullgrenade XP I’m watching Dragon Ball for the first time at age 19 because my childhood was less Toonami and more playing with knives
Awesome! More Mike the Music Snob please! This is why I subscribed in the first place. Keep up the good work.
i saw dream theater a few months ago and they put on one of the most fantastic concerts i have ever seen. it gave me a whole new appreciation for their music.
I have absolutely no idea about how music technically seen works but I am passionate about it, which makes me enjoy these videos.
This is one of the coolest videos I’ve ever seen on RUclips. I ended AP Music Theory with a 4 on the AP exam & an A+ in the class & yet, this is most interesting music theory breakdown I’ve ever seen on RUclips. This is a fantastic breakdown of one of my favorite bands. Thank you for this.
Just found your channel, this was informative, entertaining and a pleasant surpise in my recomended videos. Ive been hooked on DT since I picked up Awake on cassette, because the art on the case caught my eye while looking for something new in the rock section. Cheers!
I had to listen to the whole of Ministry again to check this out and was halfway through the outro before I remembered why I listened in the first place. That's Dream Theater for you.
Thank you for this wonderful video, Chris Pratt!
Jolly bolly brom-dee-doo jister O That was my first thought. I was looking through the comments to see if anyone else thought the same.
The Clue:
Dream Theater is badass
Pop......isn‘t
Less wind, more point, your ice has been melted since half way through the video. However, thank you so much for these wonderful insights.
that pause between "mike" and "the music snob" always gets to me. Welcome to this episode of mike!
Beautifully made. This video is amazing. Do make more videos like this ( specially telling us a bit more about DT)
This video is fantastic and is by far my favorite video on this channel. Mike you should make more videos of this type.
Damir
Awesome video, Mike! The Ministry of Lost Souls is one of my favorite Dream Theater songs and seeing it broken down like this was incredible!
Hey Mike, are you ever going to make a full video about Octavarium? It's probably my favorite song by Dream Theater and I believe there is a lot you can talk about in the video.
Someone is actually talking about dream theater! And in a great way! Subscribed, sir... Subscribed. (ps- I also like them. More than any other band. Tumbler-cheers.)
Ah, this is why I subscribed to this channel. I remember now. Thanks Mike!
Dude. Excellent video!! I too absolutely love this outright but never thought to investigate the progression in any detail. So easy just to get lost in JPs haunting lead line over it. Thanks so much for going into such detail. Would love to know what creative process lead them to modifying the chords in this manner. Along with other songs like octavarium where the chord construction holds so much depth and meaning. First time viewer. Liked and subscribed. Keep up the good work.
First off thank you for your channel , Its refreshing to finally hear someone talk that actually knows what they're talking about. Yes just listening to Dream Theater will defiantly open up your musical vocabulary . They are simply breathtaking .When i first discovered them I made the mistake of comparing them to Queensryche but man was i wrong and glad about it. D.T. 's cover of Deep Purples "Perfect Strangers" is also perfection if anyone hasn't listened to it already....
Great vid Mike...Will be coming back for more bud ! =)
Thanks for the good vibes \m/
I loved the theoretical approach on this one! You've just gained a new subscriber ^^
Cheers from Brazil!
I've learned and comprehended more music theory in this video than my last 20 years.. Great teaching.
Glad to see Big Money Salvia making different content. Bounced on my boy's 4 chords to this video for hours.
Sorry, but the way that you put that suspenseful music combined with that meme and your expression just made my day, Mike. XD
So basically, they musically blueballed us all
Great video Mike! Would love to see you do this kind of things more often.
Thanks to DT, my brothers and I have always been challenging ourselves as musicians.
Nice breakdown, man. I love Dream Theater so much.
Man, this resolution theme you brought up hit me right in the feels...
Absolutely fantastic breakdown of these chords and modulations. I'll take DT over the others you mentioned as well any day. New to your channel... subbed!
I've been a fan since '93. What a fantastic presentation you prepared. Hope to hear more.
This is seriously one of the greatest videos I've ever watched. Such perfect analysis of the song's ending and how it relates to pop. I was expecting this to be more of a discussion video, but what i got was a much deeper look. Would love to see you do another video like this for a different DT song.
This video just made my day. You Sir, are the man.
I love Dream Theater, even I have no fucking clue what they're doing. And even though I've been playing guitar for 5 years. I just like things that sound good and can't beat the theory to my small head.
i watched some videos of yours and thought they were entertaining..subscribed and occasionally returned..then this video..showing me that you are more than entertaining..you also are invested in the subject matter and have a keen analytical mind..and now i am going to listen to my first song from dream theatre..prog rock is a label which also alienates some number of people..thanks for the insight..and now off to listen to this song..which i would never do except you made alot of sense and made me interested to see what you mean..i play for a living and do pretty good..yet i can always use some education thx
I greatly appreciate the good vibes dude \m/ always happy to introduce people to new music that changed my life. Keep fighting to the good fight! I know it's tough as hell playing for a living.
rock n roll is not for pussies..btw holy crap Dream Theater!!.. awesome! filling my phone...
I've been learning music theory for guitar and I've been playing guitar for a little and this really helped me know what I know, it felt kinda cool knowing some stuff you said
Wanna see more videos like that. Love to hear such a analysis
Dreamtheater is my favorite band. They're music theory techniques aren't exactly original though they borrow heavily from just, standard classical music. It is awesome to see it applied to metal of course, i mean, thats a huge part of prog music. What really makes dreamtheater special for me is have clever they are when building melodies and patterns for vocals. And the lyrics. Absolute brilliant lyricists and somehow, they make the music speak the words, if that makes sense? Like, i feel like i understand what james sings even if he were to sing in gibberish, thats how great of a relationship their music has to their lyrics. That's important to me, developing atmosphere
Dude Mike is a legit good theory teacher... ROCK ON!!!
Dream theater loves to build tension through their songs. The way the album Scenes from a memory is written, all the songs continue to modulate up till the end of the album, each song building more and more tension for the next.
You should consider doing a similar video on the chord progression during the end of "At Wit's End". Lots of fun music theory going on in that one, and hearing your breakdown of it all would be amazing!
First time i've seen a video on this channel, keep up the good work!
I had a roommate who was a huge DT fan, even convinced me to go to a show with him back in ‘98, and I have always casually “liked” them; but over the last couple years I have rediscovered DT and finally “get it”, for all the reasons you state...it’s the difference between sipping an expensive scotch and slamming jack and cokes!
My name's Mike and I'm also a music snob! I shall be frequenting this channel.
Keep the memes Mike.
I didn't understand any of the music theory informations, but I still loved the video.
Dream Theater are made up of only the very best musicians........and James LaBrie
lmao
LaBrie is okay, but there are lots of better vox than him
Lmao
Well, after listening to Charlie Dominici's solo albums I came to a conclusion that DT would have lost nothing, and maybe even gain something, had Dominici not been replaced by LaBrie. They would sound quite perfect with Charlienas well, but still, as for today, James is the best singer they coud dream of - although maybe not the best singer in the world, but hey, for his age he keeps his form quite well, most of the welk known singers after ten years or even less already could not sing their early material, couldn't take all the high notes. So, for all LaBrie haters and dislikers - well, friends, with different singer that could be much worse today!
He *used* to be pretty incredible.
I've been wanting to get into Dream Theater for a long time now, I think this is the push I need to listen to there stuff more, the song blew my mind.
finally someone explained why I'm never satisfied at the end of Ministry! Awesome ending!
Times like these, I'm so glad I know music theory.
That just added so much more to my life now. Thank you so much
This video reminds me of my AP Music Theory class...there are people like me who understands this completely, some who sort of get it, and those who have no idea whatsoever.
lmao!
I second this, this sounds exactly like my Ap Theory class, except a much smaller sample size (probably) of ten students.
Raymond Penland I'm one of those who give it a second view just to fully understand
+C.A.C.A C.A.C.A Not that there's anything wrong with that though, everyone understands different topics at different rates. This holds true for musicians as well, some of the most critically acclaimed musicians know diddly-squat about theory, but they're still considered great.
I'm in the sort of get it group. I have enough music experience (piano, violin, trumpet, guitar, drums never really proficient at any of them but decent) that I just get things, but many more complicated things go over my head a little bit.
mike, I just wanna thank you. I've never been a big dream theater fan. I love metal. But I've always been more into A7X, Trivium, Stone sour, bands like that. But after watching this video I went and listened to the ministry of lost souls and I just kept listening to more. so thanks for opening up my eyes! P.S. I find these kinds of music theory videos super interesting. I think it would be awesome if you want over some more dream theater songs.
YEAH! I rly like your BREAKDOWN of the underlying theory. I'm definitely gonna use this way of altering chords in my own songwriting as well :) thnx breaking down some of the great ideas that the DT members expressed so geniously in this outro.
Nice video, I want to get into Dream Theater, I listened ministry of souls and it is emotional ride as well as rich song I loved it.I kinda listeneded systematic chaos, but I don't know where to go further, what album would you suggest?
I agree with you. The outro to Ministry of Lost Souls is amazing! It gets me right in the feels.
Did not understan 99% of what you are saying, but it is great to see some one nerding out over something, I do it with color theory and painting :)
Again this is GREAT stuff. Couldnt agree with you more on your Ministry of the Lost Souls take.
Agree completely about Ministry of lost souls. One of the most underrated DT pieces and the outro is the one you can listen to on a loop for hours and it just never gets boring. And it's not just the guitar solo but the drums are fantastic. :)
Totally.......I could have easily made this video another hour longer by diving into the rhythm, each instrument, the melody......there's a lot there. I also listen to it on a loop lol!
Always forget how beautiful that song is sometimes. This album gets lost sometimes on how good it really is with Octavarium on one side and BCASL on the other. Personally, my favorite moment in a DT song is the solo on Under a Glass Moon from Images and Words. It has so much passion and is, to my ear, a metalized version of just a standard jazz solo, complete with whammy bar whamming. Always love the snob videos man, keep going!
Awesome video! DT are masters of songwriting, only fair they get to use the tried and true sometimes :D
SOMEBODY TOUCHA MY SPAGHET!!!
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned it in the comments, but consider this:
The MoLS outro chord progression starts in A minor, then modulates up a minor 3rd to repeat the progression in C minor. Then does the same minor 3rd modulation to play the chord progression again, now in Eb minor. Now in the song, it fades out. And as Mike says, we never get to know how the chord progression is resolved or eventually ends.
HOWEVER...
What if there was no fade out, and the chord progression kept going? Well, then it would eventually modulate up yet another minor 3rd to Gb/F# minor. Repeat it again, and your back in A minor. Repeat, now back in C minor. Repeat, Eb minor and so on and so on. The point being is there is no intended resolution or ending to this chord progression cycle; it is supposed to loop through these modulations for infinity; almost as if it were LOST.
Also note that the four home keys we modulate through in the cycle spell out a fully diminished 7th chord (a-c-eb-gb). A full diminished 7th is a chord I would consider to be the most distressing sounding you could make that uses conventional tertiary harmony, and I think that's pretty neat when you add it to the context of the endless chord progression.
MODES are the shit... Thankyou Troy Stetina. It took ages to learn them but once it all "clicked" it made the whole fretboard less daunting.
I agree with everything you said! A very important thing, that few people get, is that for music, there is an important word: purpose.
If people want to dance, DT is not the band, if they want to headbang, there are plenty of metal bands out there.
different tastes do not make other music bad. Just for a different purpose.
But I'm drunk, so whatever.
I've seen DT 7 times, going as far back as the Awake tour right after they got radio airplay with Pull Me Under. I've been following them since 1993. I saw them on Long Island at a bar and stood 1 foot away from John Petrucci all night like it was nothing. I was a member of the fan club and have all their autographs. I used to own a Ibanez JPM P3. I raise my glass to you good sir. I'm an Eagles fan too.
Never realized the chromatic decent in Ministry of Lost souls before, guess I was never examining it too much but glad to see more love for the tune. I feel it's often over-looked in the DT library.
I'm also for the fade-out in the song. There's few places I think fade-outs are good but in Ministry I think it lends to the lyrical themes of the song.
Dude, you are awesome. The Ministry outro has always been one of my favorite DT moments. That F Minor is absolutely chilling. I’ve always thought that the choice to make it minor in the first segment, and go for the more standard F Major in the second half is genius. I thought I was the only person who cared about this stuff until now, because nobody else I know seems to connect to DT like I do.
i havent studied music theory or anything but this was still somewhat understandable
Still waiting for a video about the melody of the solo. We need it!
Ministry of lost souls is my favorite dream theater song! So happy you talked about it!!
I love how you picked on Ministry of Lost Souls, it's the peeerfect song for analysis.
you makes music theory sound fun and cool
Nice break down. Care to do the same for "Best of Times" that outro is equally insane.