Professionalism in the FGC
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Jiyuna still has some professionalism issues since he still has his Christmas tree up since the dawn of time. Cancel Jiyuna
He'll ban you for that.
Come say that in chat.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI Real homies Know its a 4th of July Tree XD
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI No pls dont ban me
@@Kaiju_02 Looks like an Easter tree to me 🤔
You know you've done something wrong when Leffen's got your back.
on god 😭😭
lolllll
Clip that
Facts lmao
Leff literally stuck with a game with 10x worse online, I don't see why the hate
He is very privileged, just the fact that he grew up in a place with a strong scene where he could grind games and learn is so lucky, i live in a place with no internet access outside of my cellphone and not one person to play so i can't even play online, i still play but its only arcade or training mode....
Maaan, really feel that :/
Youre not the only one m8
it was similar to my situation in Cuba, where you couldnt even buy the games bc they were blocked
This is a great video. This kind of perspective is valid even outside the FGC/video games. Serious Jiyuna gets serious respect.
Damn, this video is so insightful and shows a huge amount of maturity and experience. great stuff Jiyuna. always keeping us well grounded
As soon as you say Chris G I just think “oh shit what did he do now?” 😆
I did the same shit, like wtf did he do. After watching it's like oh he's still doing the same o' thing he has been doing.
😂😂😂 Any game that's like mahvel expect the worst
"In the past two to three years there's been a switch in Justin" Getting married and having a child will do that to you.
Yup.
Fighting game "professionals" that make unnecessary social media rants and act entitled remind me of adults with the mentality of high school athletes living off their old glories, or in the FGC context, "back in the day" arcade glories. These clowns who dictate what being a professional is all about are usually hypocrites in the real definition of a professional. Professionals are expendable, regardless of their own "privileges". Playing video games alone isn't hard work, there are activities associated with it that make gaming a career like networking, content creation, tournament/event organization, etc.
Anyway, Jiyuna, you're absolutely right about thinking long-term in terms of life outside esports/competitive gaming. The old saying goes, "What profit does a man to gain the world but lose his soul?" It's not bad to pursue dreams, but if they cost health and well-being, it's time to consider venturing out. Video games have grown to the point where there are career opportunities out of them, but that doesn't mean they should be treated as "everything" for life. Eventually, it's best to think of the future and when to settle down.
To rephrase a quote from Grand Theft Auto V, "You wake up one day. And your hands, they just give. And you just CAN'T GIT GUD anymore."
We’re all expendable; the sooner you realize that, the better.
Chris g not lucky, he just happened to grow up in the same neighborhood with Justin wong and every other legendary nyc 3s player and held no job while he grinded games all day
Not only that but like... There are probably a bunch of people who were good enough to be household names but we never heard about them because they had to do other things with their lives. Think of how all those amazing Pakistani Tekken players came out of "nowhere."
Man, this video is the epitome of why I love Jiyuna. Such a wise, rational, yet blunt approach to a topic. He's like the "adult in the room" in the FGC.
He can be funny ,he can be serious
Best discussion on the topic by far - Anyone who accomplishes anything in life works hard. Some people are just a whole lot luckier to see the fruits of their labor take them to richer places. Be grateful that you get to see the fruits of your labor and realize how many other people do a lot of work to make your work worth something.
I started playing dbfz when it came out and it took about a year and a half to actually get really good at the game. i got good enough to where i started dominating my local community of 8 people, and then i played the best player in the state and i beat him, making me the best in the state. then i decided to actually enter a tournament, 2019 combo breaker. i was set to play chrisG my second match if i won and i did. i got washed by him and we did the gg’s and i asked for advice since it was my first tourney and i was extremely nervous. he said “just keep practicing and competing and you’ll be good. don’t come to these to place top 8, come to these to have fun and meet new people,.” those words stuck with me enough to drive 23 hours from my home state all the way to Evo. to see him just drop out of nationals like that makes me so upset because he was the first ever fgc person to ever offer me advice. now they just seem like hollow words that carry no weight. hggpain
Chris Gs biggest mistake is refusing to play the Ghost of Marvel at evo 2016
This is the Curse of the Ghost of Marvel
@@kholdkhaos64ray11 That sounds like a comic book I would read.
Old man Jiyuna. We should all strive to be a little like Daigo-san
@@davis1228 classic americentrism
People who actually believe that their success is nothing but their "hard work" are fooling themselves, usually, they are also extremely lucky or were in favorable situations.
Not that they didn't have to put in work, doesn't mean they somehow "earned" all the opportunities that got along the way.
Remember Dave Chappelle's, "When keeping it real goes wrong." ? This. Though, hate to think that we ultimately need people sometimes to self martyr. For the sake of people knowing better but in this case, I can't help but think this adds fuel to the, "we need rollback and better network infrastructure for fighting games." movement that's been going on since the pandemic.
I like ChrisG as a competitor but man, he’s building a really bad resume. I get that he’s looking out for himself but in this scenario this was a community thing to put on a show and have fun. Everyone knows that online isn’t indicative of what would really happen offline. Although I respect his decision, I just want to see him do better because at this point he’s literally a skit of Dave Chapelles “ when keeping it real goes wrong “
I think he was more of a professional than the TOs of MVCI BftS. Oh, can we drag them through the mud a bit? Or no we can't hold the business accountable for anything because you don't bit the hand that feeds you. In that case professionalism means bending over and taking it.
Building a bad resume.... Bro he's HAD a bad resume.
He isn't in his best state of mind. His decisions make it obvious for me. That's clearly not an excuse for his behavior but it probably is a factor.
I agree, if it was just fun and whatever yeah but 7 WEEKS they're crazy. Maybe 1-3. As long as the time of the event it wasn't janky as hell.
@@ExeErdna I can agree with you on the fact that 7 weeks is a long time to commit to something. As long as every match wasn’t a crap fest I think he could have kept it going but I think it was a one and done. Unless I’m mistaken of course.
"You guys like Sajam!" HELL NO!
I really can't stand MO and Sajam talking about casual players in their talks when they are so removed from that culture.
I never knew how difficult and time consuming organizing these online events is.
Thank you for putting things into perspective and talking about this topic, Jiyuna.
There's a lot more that goes on, too. Multiply that by 50 for offline events.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI I have went to a few small offline fighting games tournaments and I have seen the amount of work that goes into them and got to talk with TOs' about them before. I can't imagine the amount of work that goes into majors.
One of Jiyuna's best videos in a long time and a great lesson for anyone simply entering the professional world in general.
Really enjoyed this video. i feel like the community really has evolved drastically in the past 5 years that i felt were pivotal to today's growth. I agree that the more of the FGC community recognizes that being professional is beyond being a better player, we will all reap major positive growth as a whole.
Some people seem to forget that they're literally playing a game for a living. It's what pretty much everyone would consider recreation. To think that they aren't lucky to be where they are is absurd.
i haven't rocked with ChrisG for reasons that are irrelevant for this discussion. i respect him for his talent but i genuinely don't like him anymore. but it is upsetting after all the work people put in for events for the fans that make fighting games special for those who can't play on that level. just kind of brushing off people who work super hard not only for us the fans but the players as well. like you would think someone who's been around the fgc community for a very long time would understand what doing that would mean. great video brother Jiyuna!
edit: especially during a global pandemic!!
Hella respect for putting this out, it's important for the scene to hear all this. Especially since the FGC is on the smaller end of epsorts/progaming
This is a great video, great discussion, so many layers to it; that house of cards is precious as it is precarious. And once Uncle Jiyuna got to the core of what he was talking about, I wasn’t even thinking about the FGC anymore, I was thinking about other industries that I’ve been lucky to be in, industries I want to be in, and how nothing lasts forever and we end up owing so much of our success to countless others who came before or helped get us where we are, talent be damned. Thanks for the perspective, it might be the only thing that does last - respecting the opportunities presented us and remaining grateful for being able to make something of it.
Great video, professionalism is a wide topic that applies to many different areas and is thus very important and we are truly lucky to have you bro
Well spoken this really shows the Viewers how Situations like this Affect Everything and makes us look into the Developers/organizers perspective of things. People think its just a little thing when they don't look at the bigger picture. But we cant change how people think we can only just deal with it. Thanks for the Content!!!!!
Thanks. These sound like some good life lessons in general. Papa Jiyuna teaching us young folks how it's done.
Really well made points Jiyuner. Good advice for life in general not just esports & fgc. The hit counter for this video was just right.
Awsome vid Jiyuna. Really opened my eyes to be more appreciative of the work tos and anyone who works on the techinal side of things, when it come for the events. Also more appreciative of Daigo.
I am sure he knows more than anyone the unstabal feeling of just playing fighting games and the fact he goes out of his way to do stuff out side of that shows how much he truly care for the fgc. Hope more players will look at Daigo and see that there is more than just playing
There are so many people involved in making the FGC, but the top players and commentators get the vast majority of the credit.
It is definitely a strange precedent to set for such a new field in entertainment. Aside from issues of personal safety, it’s difficult to defend the mindset that it’s acceptable to drop out of a professional commitment. Agreed, connectivity issues are unpleasant, but perhaps it could have been spun for humor rather than unworkable condition. Thanks for sharing your perspective on this, Jiyuna!
Jiyuna coming with an angel to this I didnt even think about. Great video
As someone who loves the FGC but doesn't have access to any of these opportunities because of where I live being so limited and hard to get anything started, thank you Jiyuna for putting perspective back where its sorely needed. I am from Puerto Rico, for reference.
goated video. i still comeback to watch it as a reminder for what hard work means. cuídate jiyuna.
When Jiyuna talks about professionalism the first thing that comes to my mind is his commentary with Zhi for a Daigo match. lol
But I totally agree with what he says. Especially the last part.
Just having a chance to do something you like for a living itself is a real privilege.
You should ask him how much he's lost because of that commentary with Zhi. Both of them, actually. Actions have consequences.
@@odiezilla I didn’t know that he got into trouble for that. It was pretty entertaining imo
Oh, we definitely got people in trouble for that.
I’ve been out of the FGC loop for a while since I had to focus on real life. Is the video with the commentary still up?
We are lucky to have someone like you dude, keep up the great work!
Hey Jiyuna... Nice video bro. It's actually a very good point, and you delivered it perfectly.
Great points made, nothing else to say. Excellent video
This was really great, thanks for doing it. And the Slayer graphic is dope as hell.
Luck plays a huge part in everyone's lives. Where you're born, who your family is, what your native language is. Figuring out my own privileges has been one of the most insightful things I've ever done. Chris G and anyone else who thinks like him should give it a try, it's honestly a great thing to do.
As for professionalism, I think there's a tension in the FGC between wanting to grow the community and nostalgia for the scrappier days. I don't think everyone needs to be buttoned up, but I do think they need to be accountable for their behaviour.
Like look at Teresa. That dude is not afraid to be emotional, but no one can day he doesn't work hard. He's been showing up to small stateside GG tournaments for year and really helping connect the Japanese and NA communities.
Anyways this got longer than I thought. Thanks for posting it, I can't catch your streams live due to the time difference so the RUclips videos are appreciated!
Yeah, there's still a lot of people online who just want to see blow ups and drama and insults; it's easy for more established players to fall into the trap of trying to impress these people rather than the ones working to actually develop the scene.
One of the best fgc vids I've seen
I hope people will see this video and reflect on themselves as well.
I haven't thought about this before, but I think this is a pretty important discussion, even outside the FGC.
Good work as always jiyuna
Man, I know I sometimes give you shit (its tough love 😘), but the amount of self-reflection and self-awareness that you showed in this video made me have a ton of respect for you. As someone who also burned bridges myself and lost opportunities due to that, people should never take their opportunities for granted - especially when it involves "playing video games".
What gets me the most though I think is this very short-sighted way that some people go at things. "I dont like it so I do what I want" - its a very egoistical and self-centered approach disregarding any consequences it has to anyone else short-term or to yourself long-term. You explained it absolutely correctly and with that I hope you have all the success in the world now - that awareness is not too common unfortunately, even in the games development industry (speaking from experience).
My man Jiyuna knows about professionalism, good video
I liked this a lot. Lots to think about.
I appreciate the insight. I was taught growing up that having the right to do something, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
@@ssjxcloudstrife8652 Lol so true. Good ol' Dr. Malcolm.
Chef with the wisdom!
This is such a weird video. Seeing you be serious and not stunt’en is pretty cool. This is a really great video and love the topic. At first I kind of disagreed with you saying that these pros werent working their ass off but when you brought up Daigo, Tokido, and Justin I understood what you meant. I look forward to more videos like this in the future.
"Nothing to do with luck" yet he can skip those tournaments wich can be considered an opportunity to shine for probably better people playing the same game, with a community doing his best to keep the hype alive for sponsorpship and revenue in a profession that was considered less than a hobby years ago, yes it is luck
How does that make it luck?
Does that really need to be explained?
@@1ofakind247 Yes because you didn't explain at all how it was luck. Why do think Chris G doesn't need as many opportunities for exposure as some other people? Because he already became a note worthy player in prior games. How does that have anything to do with luck?
Okay, he is a very well known player, everyone who has been around for years knows who he is, thats a reason to act like that? throwing the towel because a bad quality match? behavior like that kills careers in other disciplines, yet hes still going to be called to be participant when there can be space for another talented player who actually WANTS to play, yes its still luck my guy.
@@1ofakind247 None of what you are saying has anything to with luck, which is what I am talking about. I didn't express any opinion on whether or not it's okay for chris to do this stuff.
The reason he is noteworthy has nothing to do with luck. And I don't see why the consequences or lack thereof would be any different if it were some other similarly notable player doing the same thing.
I juat don't see how luck factors into this at all.
Id never expect a real talk vid from jiyuna. That was awesome and facts. Wisdom for free right here, dont ignore it
It's not my style but wanted to address this.
Jiyuna bringing the heat today
Damn, this shit actually made me rethink my position at work. I may be at the 1st floor, but at least I got a secure position in the door. Its up to me to make the best of it, to do something with it.
I am on the unenviable position of seeing both points of view. Chris G knows all too well how the wheel of fortune can turn and just how expendable he is. He got canceled off of a years-old private conversation where he said a not even all that edgy joke and he saw in perfect view just who his friends were. He does not owe the FGC anything.
That said, everything Jiyuna said is true, and his gratitude is refreshing. Fighting games, or any video game for that matter, is just a stroke of luck being as big as it is, and it can all be gone tomorrow. It's so volatile that it's risky backing any particular game. With these opportunities so rare and easily gone, you should try to make the most of it even if the play conditions are not ideal.
I honestly feel like the Chris G cancel is pretty much why he's cut himself off from people so much. Cause people he trusted just threw him away.
Good shit Jiyuna!
I knew about the chrisg situation, but this is a great perspective from someone from behind the scenes. How the ecosystem works and connect
Just to give some outside context since I love fighting games myself,
Being a pro photographer for 7 years your skills and talent are secondary to how well you can work with others. The most popular popular photographers in my region are not always the most talented.
My clients love my work but come back because of the experience I provide for them. They compliment me because of how relaxed and I make them during a session, then they say my work looks great.
No amount of skill and power can replace people genuinely wanting to work with you.
But I do agree that online fighting games need to step it up. I can’t just a use “pro” camera and still not have it do what I want it to do.
I guess it’s knowing when and where to act given the moment.
Thanks for the video 🙏
Yes CHEF!!! Awareness is key in these times, great content as usual!!!
It really is crazy just how many multitudes of people are involved in what you think is a "singular" event. Backing out of a commitment wastes all those people's time and at the same time damages your reputation on being dependable. Opportunities present themselves to those who have prepared, and Chris G is not prepared
Professionalism in the FGC? What Professionalism? They threw all that out since 2011. lol
I'm a month late, but that was some great insight. Thank you for the video.
Wow this video is soooo good, I loved the part when you mentioned the luck factor.
I'm a software engineer, I'm 26 years old and I have worked really hard since I was 20 and I always say when people gets to know my salary or my job conditions or simple when I mention how much I love doing my daily work activities that I'm lucky, I feel so blessed to the point of feel embarrassed of saying it out loud because I know there are people that does not even have the opportunity of choosing careers. I'm so lucky and I'm really grateful to all the people that has helped me to reach all of this and I know that I'm smart, I study every day and I try to put as much effort as possible to my projects but still that only is for keeping the status quo,In the end It is almost all about luck.
Keep it up!
Your Halloween Tree enhances the video.
This is so absurd, Jiyuna is actually with the times and uploading to YT before a week or 2 passes AGAIN!
Individual issues aside, I think the right play in that situation would've been to try to broker some kind of deal with Parsec to figure out where everyone is geographically, and set up a cloud gaming server in strategic spots for each matchup. Like one for CA vs WA, another for the midwest, etc., so that people's individual connection issues only affect them and not both players.
People sleep on Parsec. I don't think it's been mentioned once in any of these comments, but it's actually an extremely good alternative to delay-based netcode. I'm on fiber, and I often play Virtua Fighter vs a SoCal player (on cable) on a server based in Norcal. The game takes about 3-5 ms to encode under load, and about 1 ms to decode, so that's 6 ms display lag worst-case scenario, plus another 21 ms for my ping to the server. For whatever reason, his ping is 25 ms.
For those paying attention, that's less than 2 frames of lag (and thus delay), total. Consistent and buttery smooth. If we connected directly, one of us would have 0 lag, and the other would have round trip lag; time spent for the image to come through, then for their inputs to reach the other side. Effectively, 0f vs 4f (though when we tried it IIRC it was about 3f). Which is not terrible, but for a tournament, kinda wack. Not to mention that the hosting player's pc might have issues that a cloud pc, configured properly, wouldn't.
To the extent that there are gonna be more events like this, being held online in games with awful netcode, you should really consider using the PC version with cloud gaming servers. It's not like Stadia, OnLive, or any of that other crap. It's actually nice.
It is absolutely entitlement. We are all very lucky to even have a community let alone travel to play games (not atm). Good vidya as usual Jiyuner
Old man, thank you.
Uncle Jiyuna dropping some truth. Hopefully someone can make use of this information.
Based Jiyuna with the nuggets of wisdom.
Came across your channel by looking for a video regarding the new Guilty Gear patch notes, staying around for the great content
It’s so-so content.
Mature Ass Jiyuna with the real Wisdom. This is the sort of "Real Talk" that the FGC really needs.
That Christmas Tree was popping off lol
Thank you for saying this
Spot on from Jiyuna the wiseman. 👍🏻
If he is just a random player, yeah, no one would care. He though, is a professional and should set at least a decent example for others at the least. His attitude is quite a problem for a pro...
I mean if this is not esports and instead a normal job. He would have been punished or fired already. There are people like this in other games' NA community too. Namely some NA pros complaining about having their matches at 10 AM instead of 12 or something, and they are getting paid too. 😅
Guys like Tokido and Justin definitely are the true good example of being professional.
Nice to hear some insight from Jiyuna with the senior mentality. 👌🏻
Amazing Video, I like Humble Jiyuna the best
Don't get used to it.
It’s not like other opportunities like are gonna come Chris’s way since EG dropped him. Him dropping out knowing what the game is like online makes him seem spoiled.
He also pissed off a major company like Bandai in doing this so... yeah that def shut a lot of doors as well
Getting solar flared 6 times in a row on block into dragon rush radiated his brain. Damn your Reynald
@@andrewaguero2556 dotodoya about to go crazy with that tech.
Dayum, that was deep
A surprisingly levelheaded perspective.
Great Video!
4:20 “is it good? it’s online; it’s an online event it’s a crappy event it’s not gonna be great”
wow Jiyuna-san, you’re really shilling HARD for that delay-based netcode huh?
This was some goooood shiet. Thank you.
I find it impressive that leffen manages to act like a clown every week
Lmfao
He's certified
You are so right and this is not the case only in the FFC. All eatsports right now suffer into this regard, people getting into the system thinking “I’m pro player” when they play only but not realise what else is in the package of a pro player. There is so vast difference to people that are just good at the game or a good team at the game but offering nothing else. No media presence, zero interaction with fans, and all they want is to play the game.
While that is a popular belief, it’s not the case for any person representing a team. You gotta do sponsor work, networking, public appearances, maintaining professional image, working with the team.
Why do people see some older players that are not that great anymore still have sponsors? Because they have connections and previous history of being good as a image of the team and good to work with, any team would rather have that from someone that is good but unwilling to do anything. As much people may think there is not a lot of people like that, they do and it’s a lot of them.
No one can win forever; players need to understand they will have to graduate to something else eventually. The relationships and reputation you earn while being a player is going to carry over later in life.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI 100% agree
Hard fucking agree on this. Saying they are lucky to have a career/job to play games doesn’t take away from the hard work they put in. It’s true that they are fortunate to be able to do so in the first place.
Im glad you made this video cuz its really important
A lot of people forget how much goes into these big events
While i get the core of why he dropped out, Chris shouldve just turned down the event when he was invited or soon after
I dont think Chris is doing it intentionally, but he’s kinda refusing to acknowledge the hard work that the community puts in to make these events go off without a hitch
I respect ChrisG as a player, but he, and many other players, kinda needs to look at the whole picture
Damn, honestly I feel like if I made videos I'd just be saying the same things as you lately. Great stuff.
Lord jiyuna spittin
i like the content in this video as always Jiyuna but I think it's also okay to assume Chris is mentally unwell right now. It easy to see everything as black and white bc twitter but I think there is more to this story.
Corona/being isolated/compounding effects from social media/politics etc
I hope Chris finds a way back to his "center' and doesnt end up hurting himself. I've dealt with a lot of suicide in my life so far and I've seen these behavior patterns manifest in strange ways like this. Depression/Anxiety turns into backing out of your commitments...making lots of excuses...suffering in silence with your REAL problems....typing all caps on twitter. etc
Best video you have uploaded in a while. Love this jiyuna! I didnt expect a good preach. And yes i agree even a tournament winner is nothing without its community.
this dude really got one black one and one white one of the same Akira T-Shirt. Mad respect, where can I cop one?
Great video!
professionalism deez nuts
Gottem.
I think a lot of pro players lose sight of the fact that they're lucky purely based on the time period they're in. I'm sure guys like Sanford Kelly worked just as hard, if not harder, to be top competitors at their game, but the process of being this full time sponsored pro didn't exist yet the way it does today. The only people from that era that really carried it into the present day are either guys like Yipes who switched to another role in the community, or guys like Justin who managed to continue to be a top tier competitor into the future, and even then it took Justin years to build up a brand that was stable enough to go full time with it. On the flip side you have modern guys like Hook who barely compete and don't place high, but they're still sponsored and able to make a career out of this because they have options like Twitch and RUclips to make money, cover losses, and maintain a value for potential sponsors.
Chris may find that his "hard work" doesn't carry as far in a few years when companies don't want to sponsor him and his fanbase leaves for someone who's better at the next game or more engaged with the larger community.
The classic ChrisG mixup
Airport theme slaps bro...
spitting facts!!!
It amazes me how many people who commented about this forget its 20-30 minutes once a week for the community. It’s not like they’re playing City of Mayhem every week with 4-5 hour online tournaments. It’s an exhibition once a week for a round robin online event.
Subscribed because you have a very mature and neutral way of talking about these FGC topics and I respect it. Keep on the grind man consider me a new fan.
You're in for disappointment, this is a rare serious video.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI LMAO. I also watch Dotodoya and Rhymestyle so I Def like not serious too haha
Yeah, "priveledge"
Considering where I'm from, I could be working twice as hard as him and I wouldn't be nowhere near where he is. Just because I was unlucky enough to be born in a country with virtually no community and opportunities.
I'm not talking about ChrisG specifically, but goddamn - if you're from NA or Japan (speaking generally - couple of other places too, and not everywhere within those places), you got it freaking easy when it comes to playing fighting games. Y'all don't even know.
Not to mention - this extends to litreally everything. To be successful, you need to have a lot of luck. You still have to put the work in, obviously, but don't think that you can get to wherever you want to without luck.
Good advice for life.
I think it's good for everyone to realize how much luck plays in our lives everynow and then. Hardwork is very important but luck is still needed. Obviously our lives shouldnt revole around it but its humbling.
Yup, work hard but also be grateful for the opportunities that come to you.
Living in an area with a local scene and proper internet is lucky in its own right.