Couple of things he forgot to mention as I own a 2017xt. 1. Active torque vectoring. Its whats in the WRX and the STI and helps reduce under steer. Makes it corner better even though it has more ground clearance. In sport# the thing hugs corners really well. You can feel the suspension really tighten up in sport# and in sport# the torque stays high and the turbo stays on boost so when you come out of the corner your ready to power out. A lot of fun actually in corners and seriously reduces body roll. I cant even feel the body roll in that setting. 2. In the 2017 and 18 the XT has quicker gear ration steering. Definitely helps the handling response and you can tell while cornering. 3. Does have a usb's but there in the center console. AT least the 2017 does. I can say I do miss the hood scoop and from what Ive seen, doesn't seem to effect the performance in anyway with the new setup. Ive actually seen 20lbs of boost and more common, when Im really getting into it, at 18-19lbs. I'll eventually get the hood scoop installed because I like the look. 4. The XMode does have better control off road but basically is 4x4 low. You cant go over 25mph with it on but makes a huge difference in a bad situation with very low or no traction. What else it does is descent control built into the XMode. Meaning you can start on a hill from a stop and just let it go down the hill. With no brakes, wet, snowy, slippery, it doesn't matter the car will control your decent and automatically control your braking on each wheel to control you down the hill so you can focus on just steering. You can look up the stig did a review of the XMode specifically. Its really kool. Most people buy this car because they want safety. I bought it because of where im moving and my wife needed a new car and I wanted to make sure it would be okay in snow and I wanted some performance. She also needed to be able to get in and out easily. Basically you just sit from a standing position. Cant explain any differently you'll just have to try it yourself to see what Im talking about. Now, Its not a race car but this thing can move and out of all the small suv's NONE of them can keep up with the forester. The fastest ive had the thing was about 120+ on a curvy road that I shouldn't have had it on going that fast. Its a little top heavy but it did really well and I was racing a modified BRX..lol shhhh don't ell my wife. Im going to miss the forester XT though. The 2017 and 18 had the most torque and HP of any model before it and now they are going to be gone. I believe in the future they are going to put the 3.5? (6 cylinder) in it but its not the same. This is the first forester, the first Subaru Ive ever owned and unfortunately it'll be the last because of them discontinuing the XT. If your thinking about getting one, at least go down and test drive it. Put it in XMode on a hill, use the sport and sport# modes and you'll see why there so much fun. The looks of of peoples faces when you just take off in this thing, well, its priceless. Its not a camaro or a mustang but at times it gives you that type of driving feeling and 0-60 in 6.0sec not to bad and out of all the colors they offer I went with black on black with leather interior because it just looks good.
Thank you for the extra info! I always like it when viewers can contribute because I like to thin of my channel as a community! I would love to see what this XT looks like with a functional hoo scoop! Thank you so much for watching!
The selection of Sport and Sport# does nothing to tighten up the suspension. Those selections only adjust the transmission, not the suspension. You may feel that way because you're able to drive it more aggressively and have the torque vectoring assist you in turns but the suspension is the same regardless of which transmission selection you choose. Have a 2018XT Touring and had a 2014XT Touring. Still, best driving all around sub-compact SUV out there.
I have this exact car in the vid :) black on black would be way cooler but i got this one in 2020 with 30k mi. Omg thanks for your comment talking about the sport# mode I hardly use it but i live to drive fast. I just want to understand it better
In the information system, you have engine temp and 10 thousands more information, this is the most informative car I have ever had. I have 2016 XT TOURING, a dream
I have a 4 yr old Forester XT with 30,000 miles. Recently a service advisor at Subaru said Keep This Car! It is the most in demand because of the turbo, but I’m just a little old lady who rarely uses the turbo-ness (except on trips to Houston). Guess someday I’ll sell this to a young person.
As a Subaru owner, it baffles me that Subaru ditched the Turbo variant for the Forester. About the direct fuel injection system, it was a shared technology from Toyota joint developement with Subaru on the the BRZ/GT86/FR-S. So there is a huge bump in performance both in power and torque delivery as compared to the EJ multi port fuel system. The reason they told the reporters is that only 5% of the Forester buyers picked the turbo version. The car initially was small but it grew bigger and bigger to the point that with my height. I cant reach the roof if i want to clean the car without a step stool. That is weird the Forester dont have a digital water temp guage and oil temp because the Crosstrek has the center digital guage which will show the oil and water temp. The 2019 Forester does look nice esp the Sports variant but they removed the manual parking brake for the Electronic brake. Which may prob be the deal breaker.
With the equity that Toyota holds in Subaru's parent company as well as their recent R&D collaborations, I'd keep a close eye on Toyota technical development trends for the future of Subaru. I also wonder if Toyota's reliability best practices are also filtering into Subaru's design and implementation. That's generally a very good thing, but the trend might filter out higher performance, but slightly less reliable power plants. Note: that's not saying that the Subaru turbo power plants are unreliable, but there may be standards put into place that take some designs off of the table to meet long term reliability benchmarks which reduce warranty program liability. That gets a bit scary when you think about a WRX / STI re-vamp circa 2020. Attainable Toyota and Lexus "sports" models of late may be reliable as hell with respectable power plants and drive trains, but edgy, they are not. This is all speculation on my part, to be fair, but once corporate forces gain momentum, look out.
>Who gives a fuck, the electronic one looks better and does the same thing. No, it doesn't, at least not for off road work. The manual handbrake is great for pulling the rear back into line if it wanders when going downhill. Electronic 'handbrakes' are really only parking brakes. Useless for anything else, including as an emergency brake.
Great car! That is why car magazines and reviews do not even mention it. This XT Subaru beats lots of expensive SUVs 0-60 under 6.5 seconds. Reliable, no turbo lag, active vectoring, eye sight, blind spot, lane assist, space everywhere, visibility, remote start, Harman and Kardon sound. I do not understand Subaru finishing production of this model this year. Regular engine is crap. This model smokes the new 2019 Acura RDX and the Infinity Q50. And all for 10k less. Super car!! Nothing perfect: it is missing android auto and apple car play and also seats are hard and flat for long trips.
I just bought the 2018 XT, first owner. I compared it to the European ones, and it won hands down, unless I am going to spend $60k plus. And if I did, I would be shopping for a Bentley. Subaru is making a huge mistake by eliminating the turbo Forester.
Thank You for this video! I just bought the last 2018 XT as a first owner, demo low miles. Had I not had a turbo Forester before (I bought the first ever with the scoop released in Louisiana in 2003), I would have bought the Mercedes SUV....It was a tough choice, as I always wanted a Mercedes, though I remember how the turbo Forester performed, and did not want to miss out on this last option. I am waiting for delivery, as it is coming cross country via enclosed carrier. Subaru is making a huge mistake by eliminating the turbo; I would be driving the Mercedes instead, had I not learned this is the last of the good stuff. Subaru needs to bring back the turbo so I can buy another in 10 years. I drove Saabs in between the Foresters, only to have that company bought out by China. I thought I would never own anything but a European car again, though if the Forester turbo never returns, this 2018 could well be my last Subaru.
I agree that not too many people want the Forester XT anymore. It's too big, it's a proper mid-size SUV. The problem is that it's UNDENIABLE that people want a Crosstrek turbo.
Raiti's Rides everytime I see one it's already spoken for. I don't think they stock a lot of xts so they can up sell. and now since it's axed they get to rip people off with the sport model with the red stitches......
I'd be curious to know if there's an aftermarket hood that incorporates the classic hood scoop. Really a shame they could not add this Subaru standard look.
Ah, the XT conundrum: sales volume is touted by internet warriors as the reason for the XT's demise, but holy heck, the dealer inventory has been seriously lacking for years. Unless ordering an XT, it can be hard to find a new or even a CPO example on the dealer lots. And I'm in a region with a whole mess of Subaru dealerships. Don't forget about the Premium XT, too! It is a bit more bare bones relative to the Touring XT shown in the video, but you get the exact same power plant and AWD system for ~$6k MSRP less. Agreed that the seats could use more bolstering. That leather (prior to 2018) is slippery and any modest performance driving sends your bottom sliding left or right. It is not a pleasing situation if your commute is on the twisties. The Premium XT's "PVC" seating material has a bit more grip. If only the XT had alcantara seating surfaces! :)
This is getting ridiculous, first they replaced the 5MT with a auto trans years ago now they remove the turbo completely? Soccer mom and pencil pusher dude who will lease and change the car in 3 years anyways.. ..I will keep my old STi and Outback XT.. thanks Subaru but our relationship is now the same as with the relationship of my ex wife. Was fun in the past now complete shiiit :)
Talk numbers, never sold as much as the others, why make a car that doesn't sell? I work for Subaru and it's the people that decide the fate of any car
I was really looking forward to seeing this car evolve on the global platform. I’m a proud owner of a 09’ XT. I purposely sought out the turbo Forester for the year round utility. Perfect car for road trips and getting through different types of terrain. I really appreciate the way you spoke of this vehicle because I truly feel the same. It’s an all around balanced vehicle that will be missed by fellow enthusiasts worldwide. This specific color and trim is particularly attractive on the latest model. Again great overview of this subaru. It’s a bitter sweet end and I’m sad to see it go.
I think it is downright amazing that they skimp on the USB ports. These cost so little. I can buy a cable for very little at retail and it would cost Subaru even less. Yet, to get ports and high amp charging ports, you generally must pay for a very expensive trim or opt for a very expensive package in which to get these very useful and very inexpensive items. It's a poor decision to force the buyer into such expensive options for adequate and expected USB ports.
There's 2 inside the center console and a hole for cables to route through on the top left and right sides. At least that's how it is in my 2016 XT! Not sure about the 2018 but I'd assume it's the same.
Austin Crow I have the 2018 model, it's the same - USB ports are in the center console. Not really the most convenient in terms of placement, but I guess it's better than nothing.
The USB ports are low power because they're meant for data transfer through MirrorLink instead of charging... the kicker is that MirrorLink doesn't even work in the US!
Why do you want a cover for the cup holders? I'm always wanting them to include the spring loaded tabs to keep your drink container from rattling around.
I would be interested to know if that intercooler cooling is more efficient than the bonnet scoop. The reason I say this is because the top surfaces of the bonnet, excuse my accent, is a low pressure area. Bernoulli effect
>I would be interested to know if that intercooler cooling is more efficient than the bonnet scoop. Possibly, though I suspect the scoop is gone for safety reasons. They can increase injury to pedestrians in collisions.
Nice review. Now that the used vehicle market is finally starting to correct, CPO 2018 Forester Touring XTs without a ton of miles can be found in the mid $20s which is a fair price. I plan on picking one of these up very soon. I owned a 2019 WRX with this 2.0 DIT engine until recently and it's a gem in that car, very smooth and reliable. I recently ordered a 2023 Forester Touring, but I decided to cancel it since the prices on these XTs started falling. I can get one of these for at least $80000 less than a brand new Touring with no turbo.
Raiti's Rides Not sure because its still a Forester- a compact and affordable crossover for small active families. That’s the intention of it. Anything niche or serving the niche speed market would rather get a true, low to the ground, curb hugging car which is the purpose of the WRX. They tried for years with the XT but in the end time ran out on its final numbers.
Going from the $26k 2.5i premium to the $29,500 xt premium (essentially a turbo upgrade only) is a pretty tough $3500 pill to swollow for someone shopping a budget vehicle. According to the EPA the 2.5i is 32mpg on the highway & the xt is 27. Considering premium fuel is roughly an 8% increase in price that gives the 2.5i roughly an 8 mpg increase on the highway which is the majority of most people's commutes. If someone drives 13000 miles a year driving a mixture of city & highway leaning more towards the latter the 2.5i owner (at least here in California) would be saving well over $400 a year in fuel cost which can help pay for their Starbucks addiction. Additionally with the introduction of the ascent i think Subaru would prefer to not cannibalize sales of their new much more profitable model by making their entry low hanging fruit model too enticing for people with much more cash to bleed.
rstang281 I think that’s wishful thinking. I believe many people would buy it but Subaru isn’t going to do it. They are becoming too vanilla as a company.
Raiti's Rides I think you are right but one can hope. A Crosstrek XT would be awesome, light and small enough to actually be sporty and still cross over for utility.
rstang281 there was a tech that swapped in an engine from a current model WRX into a first generation Crosstrek. It worked out very nice. Let’s see what happens!🤞🙏🏻
When I bought my 2018 Subaru Forester XT, the dealership said they only sold about 6 this whole year. Lol. VS the 250 non turbo foresters. Plus the price difference is huge, base forester is $22k, the XT $34k. Most people can’t justify paying 12k more for an XT model. Is it worth it? IMO, yes. Haha.
I believe it is totally worth it and now you have something that is unique and not available anymore! I think many of the reasons is Subaru did not market it well enough and many Subaru salespeople didn't know jack about it.
Can't compare with base model. Compare it with loaded 2.5 Touring. I'm on my 2nd. Just got loaded 2018 XT Touring after trading in my 2014 XT Touring 2 weeks ago. Got great deal and I'm smiling every day. 35k loaded to include most accessories like remote start, trailer hitch, aero rack, front sill plates, sti pedal kit, splash guards, rear bumper cover, interior/ext dimming mirror, door edge guards, rear seat back protector. Added tint and all HID upgrades, in and out to include fog lights..... happy camper am I. 2019 with no XT model prompted me to upgrade now.
The cool thing about them is they actually have some basic off-road ability, so many SUV's don't have this considering they are suppose to be a "sports utility vehicle".
Andy K it’s funny you mention that because on the 2015-2018 Subaru STI you can’t get that info on the screen but I learned you can on the WRX and XT. Thanks for helping.
I love my '14 Forester XT. It's still very reliable after 45K miles. The ride is taut, the power is delivered smoothly. My only complaint is seat comfort, where the lumbar support ranges from too much to way too much. I skipped almost every upgrade and just bought the least expensive XT I could find. This review is nice but doesn't cover any driving attributes the car. It's odd that "Raimi's Rides" doesn't actually ride in the car.
Yea... without the hood scoop it just looks like a normal SUV... that scoop would have given it a bit more style like the old Outbacks back in the day.
On the back bumper how do you call that black plastic that is attached to the bumper by the exhaust? Mines got scratched really bad and i rather replace that thing then buy a whole new bumper. thank you
They told us what they are thinking. Numbers dont lie and most people went with the non turbo version so to save money they are making it with one engine. Personally 182 horses is more than enough and if you want a turbo go with the ascent or a WRX.
@ekim andersom None of them are *Performance SUVs*. Think of a car enthusiast suburban dad with 3 kids. And all those cars cost 3-4 times the price of a Forrester XT and nowhere near as practical.
I am sorry to let you down. Not every review is going to involve a drive. I will try to dig another one up and take it for a drive to review it. Not every dealership gives me the same access and sometimes I have to take what I can get. Thank you so much for understanding and I would be grateful if you stuck around!
As sad as it is to see them do away with the turbo version of the Forester it really does make sense coming from a business stand point. People just aren't buying sporty cars anymore. We as consumers are complaining about it but nobody goes out to buy one so they keep making them. Of course the economy is meh and things are expensive so it all really just comes down to it'sjust not a good time for them anymore. Not only that, I've spoken with some subaru salesmen who have told me the average subaru buyer is actually 60+ in age! Any young buyers are typically going for the brz, wrx, sti, and even maybe a crosstrek. Given how things are, I see and understand why subaru is doing what they are. Also your side of florida is so nice and sunny! Over here in south FL we have some nice cloudy days with lots of rain lol. As usuall love your videos! Keep em coming!
Imlikethemoviesh thanks for the compliments! Your feedback is great and you have a good perspective about this. More people exist, but less car enthusiasts. I hope my channel can change that!
My new car is Subaru Forester XT 2018, Because lack of funds I've been waiting for a long time. I saw that next year there will not be production of legendary Forster XT, So I decided to make an effort and buy the best car in the segment of the compact SUV.
Raiti's Rides everything time a new manufacture com with a brand new turbo engine always some cooling issues just like ford With their eco boost engine when it first came out nd Hyundai
This will be the last great Forester unless they make at least a special edition turbo at some point in the model life cycle of the new one. Value of these turbos will be high and held. It will be truly sad if they never make a turbo in the new one as the chassis improvements sound like they would welcome the higher performance. If however they made a hybrid or electric at the price of a turbo Subaru could be forgiven if the performance is at turbo level. I would also add that I don't buy the cost to produce vs the numbers argument since Subaru is now a very successful company and could well afford to loose a little just to keep a box checked. The only explanation is extreme greed that now that they could afford to they want to milk every cent at the expense of some of their most loyal customers. Subaru if you are listening you need a real performance SUV and CUV. The WRX alone is not going to cut it for the practical performance crowd any more than the new Forester will so what are you planning to do? You have refused to make a turbo version of the XV and now the Forester both of which have the potential to be awesome performance SUV/CUV. You have lost sales and credibility and it seems like you are loosing your passion and your way. Make new friends while keeping the old is a good guide. Are you planning some completely new models to fill the gaps left but the turbo? I really do hope you have something up your sleeve Subaru?
I could not agree with you more! I think now that this car is no more they should make a Crosstrek XV. I really believe that there is a market for that!
Well of course theyre going to get rid of it. They have the accent now with a turbo 4. Not enough sales on the FXT. I love our 15' FXT though and will most likely get the accent as well.
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Couple of things he forgot to mention as I own a 2017xt.
1. Active torque vectoring. Its whats in the WRX and the STI and helps reduce under steer. Makes it corner better even though it has more ground clearance. In sport# the thing hugs corners really well. You can feel the suspension really tighten up in sport# and in sport# the torque stays high and the turbo stays on boost so when you come out of the corner your ready to power out. A lot of fun actually in corners and seriously reduces body roll. I cant even feel the body roll in that setting.
2. In the 2017 and 18 the XT has quicker gear ration steering. Definitely helps the handling response and you can tell while cornering.
3. Does have a usb's but there in the center console. AT least the 2017 does.
I can say I do miss the hood scoop and from what Ive seen, doesn't seem to effect the performance in anyway with the new setup. Ive actually seen 20lbs of boost and more common, when Im really getting into it, at 18-19lbs. I'll eventually get the hood scoop installed because I like the look.
4. The XMode does have better control off road but basically is 4x4 low. You cant go over 25mph with it on but makes a huge difference in a bad situation with very low or no traction. What else it does is descent control built into the XMode. Meaning you can start on a hill from a stop and just let it go down the hill. With no brakes, wet, snowy, slippery, it doesn't matter the car will control your decent and automatically control your braking on each wheel to control you down the hill so you can focus on just steering. You can look up the stig did a review of the XMode specifically. Its really kool.
Most people buy this car because they want safety. I bought it because of where im moving and my wife needed a new car and I wanted to make sure it would be okay in snow and I wanted some performance. She also needed to be able to get in and out easily. Basically you just sit from a standing position. Cant explain any differently you'll just have to try it yourself to see what Im talking about. Now, Its not a race car but this thing can move and out of all the small suv's NONE of them can keep up with the forester. The fastest ive had the thing was about 120+ on a curvy road that I shouldn't have had it on going that fast. Its a little top heavy but it did really well and I was racing a modified BRX..lol shhhh don't ell my wife.
Im going to miss the forester XT though. The 2017 and 18 had the most torque and HP of any model before it and now they are going to be gone. I believe in the future they are going to put the 3.5? (6 cylinder) in it but its not the same. This is the first forester, the first Subaru Ive ever owned and unfortunately it'll be the last because of them discontinuing the XT. If your thinking about getting one, at least go down and test drive it. Put it in XMode on a hill, use the sport and sport# modes and you'll see why there so much fun. The looks of of peoples faces when you just take off in this thing, well, its priceless. Its not a camaro or a mustang but at times it gives you that type of driving feeling and 0-60 in 6.0sec not to bad and out of all the colors they offer I went with black on black with leather interior because it just looks good.
Thank you for the extra info! I always like it when viewers can contribute because I like to thin of my channel as a community! I would love to see what this XT looks like with a functional hoo scoop! Thank you so much for watching!
The selection of Sport and Sport# does nothing to tighten up the suspension. Those selections only adjust the transmission, not the suspension. You may feel that way because you're able to drive it more aggressively and have the torque vectoring assist you in turns but the suspension is the same regardless of which transmission selection you choose. Have a 2018XT Touring and had a 2014XT Touring. Still, best driving all around sub-compact SUV out there.
I have this exact car in the vid :) black on black would be way cooler but i got this one in 2020 with 30k mi. Omg thanks for your comment talking about the sport# mode
I hardly use it but i live to drive fast. I just want to understand it better
@@tommymas1 I think the rear tightens up, it has self leveling suspension, probably gets it a bit lower and tighter
@@514aam No, it does not and you're completely wrong. I own one and it's my 2nd. Those selections are for the transmission only. We all know that.
In the information system, you have engine temp and 10 thousands more information, this is the most informative car I have ever had. I have 2016 XT TOURING, a dream
I have a 4 yr old Forester XT with 30,000 miles. Recently a service advisor at Subaru said Keep This Car! It is the most in demand because of the turbo, but I’m just a little old lady who rarely uses the turbo-ness (except on trips to Houston). Guess someday I’ll sell this to a young person.
@katylowe3504 Hopefully the day you will put it in the market i will be the lucky buyer...subarus with turbo are the real deal
OIL TEMP read out is on the top hub screen to your right just like the wrx. you can toggle through that read out and customize it.
Ryan D thank for reminding me I totally forgot about the because the STI doesn’t have that sensor.
As a Subaru owner, it baffles me that Subaru ditched the Turbo variant for the Forester. About the direct fuel injection system, it was a shared technology from Toyota joint developement with Subaru on the the BRZ/GT86/FR-S. So there is a huge bump in performance both in power and torque delivery as compared to the EJ multi port fuel system.
The reason they told the reporters is that only 5% of the Forester buyers picked the turbo version.
The car initially was small but it grew bigger and bigger to the point that with my height. I cant reach the roof if i want to clean the car without a step stool.
That is weird the Forester dont have a digital water temp guage and oil temp because the Crosstrek has the center digital guage which will show the oil and water temp.
The 2019 Forester does look nice esp the Sports variant but they removed the manual parking brake for the Electronic brake. Which may prob be the deal breaker.
Lin Chester it’s interesting how Subaru is morphing into something different as we go through the 2000s. I loved their lineup from 2004-2007.
With the equity that Toyota holds in Subaru's parent company as well as their recent R&D collaborations, I'd keep a close eye on Toyota technical development trends for the future of Subaru.
I also wonder if Toyota's reliability best practices are also filtering into Subaru's design and implementation. That's generally a very good thing, but the trend might filter out higher performance, but slightly less reliable power plants. Note: that's not saying that the Subaru turbo power plants are unreliable, but there may be standards put into place that take some designs off of the table to meet long term reliability benchmarks which reduce warranty program liability.
That gets a bit scary when you think about a WRX / STI re-vamp circa 2020. Attainable Toyota and Lexus "sports" models of late may be reliable as hell with respectable power plants and drive trains, but edgy, they are not.
This is all speculation on my part, to be fair, but once corporate forces gain momentum, look out.
YasumotoUS very interesting perspective and input. I guess we will have to see what 2020 brings. It should be interesting to say the least.
>Who gives a fuck, the electronic one looks better and does the same thing.
No, it doesn't, at least not for off road work. The manual handbrake is great for pulling the rear back into line if it wanders when going downhill.
Electronic 'handbrakes' are really only parking brakes. Useless for anything else, including as an emergency brake.
There is a digital coolant temp gage in the center dash display.
Proud owner of a 2015 XT Black on Black with the panoramic roof!
Great car! That is why car magazines and reviews do not even mention it. This XT Subaru beats lots of expensive SUVs 0-60 under 6.5 seconds. Reliable, no turbo lag, active vectoring, eye sight, blind spot, lane assist, space everywhere, visibility, remote start, Harman and Kardon sound. I do not understand Subaru finishing production of this model this year. Regular engine is crap. This model smokes the new 2019 Acura RDX and the Infinity Q50. And all for 10k less. Super car!! Nothing perfect: it is missing android auto and apple car play and also seats are hard and flat for long trips.
Martin Ricardo I wish it would get better marketing!
Now the 2019 Forester goes 0 to 60 in 9.5 seconds
I just bought the 2018 XT, first owner. I compared it to the European ones, and it won hands down, unless I am going to spend $60k plus. And if I did, I would be shopping for a Bentley. Subaru is making a huge mistake by eliminating the turbo Forester.
Missed a couple of things. 2 USB ports in armrest. Oil and temp gauge on Triple Meter display.
Roma12 thank you for the extra input and info! Thank you for watching!
Thank You for this video! I just bought the last 2018 XT as a first owner, demo low miles. Had I not had a turbo Forester before (I bought the first ever with the scoop released in Louisiana in 2003), I would have bought the Mercedes SUV....It was a tough choice, as I always wanted a Mercedes, though I remember how the turbo Forester performed, and did not want to miss out on this last option. I am waiting for delivery, as it is coming cross country via enclosed carrier. Subaru is making a huge mistake by eliminating the turbo; I would be driving the Mercedes instead, had I not learned this is the last of the good stuff. Subaru needs to bring back the turbo so I can buy another in 10 years. I drove Saabs in between the Foresters, only to have that company bought out by China. I thought I would never own anything but a European car again, though if the Forester turbo never returns, this 2018 could well be my last Subaru.
I agree that not too many people want the Forester XT anymore. It's too big, it's a proper mid-size SUV. The problem is that it's UNDENIABLE that people want a Crosstrek turbo.
Brandon Allen you hit the nail on the head!😊👍🏻
people still want the xt. xt don't stay on the lot long
Tony Chau I feel like they get sold a lot because I rarely see them at my local Subaru dealer.
Raiti's Rides everytime I see one it's already spoken for. I don't think they stock a lot of xts so they can up sell. and now since it's axed they get to rip people off with the sport model with the red stitches......
Brandon Allen unfortunately majority of the crosstrek owners are content slow pos
Got one of these 2018 Forester XT. Love it..
It is the last of the great ones!
I'd be curious to know if there's an aftermarket hood that incorporates the classic hood scoop. Really a shame they could not add this Subaru standard look.
NeloDiavolo that would be interesting to find out. It would look good.
"The xt uses the exact same engine as the wrx but it's different." This guy! 😂
Ah, the XT conundrum: sales volume is touted by internet warriors as the reason for the XT's demise, but holy heck, the dealer inventory has been seriously lacking for years. Unless ordering an XT, it can be hard to find a new or even a CPO example on the dealer lots. And I'm in a region with a whole mess of Subaru dealerships.
Don't forget about the Premium XT, too! It is a bit more bare bones relative to the Touring XT shown in the video, but you get the exact same power plant and AWD system for ~$6k MSRP less.
Agreed that the seats could use more bolstering. That leather (prior to 2018) is slippery and any modest performance driving sends your bottom sliding left or right. It is not a pleasing situation if your commute is on the twisties. The Premium XT's "PVC" seating material has a bit more grip. If only the XT had alcantara seating surfaces! :)
YasumotoUS I totally agree with you! 😊👍🏻
This is getting ridiculous, first they replaced the 5MT with a auto trans years ago now they remove the turbo completely?
Soccer mom and pencil pusher dude who will lease and change the car in 3 years anyways..
..I will keep my old STi and Outback XT.. thanks Subaru but our relationship is now the same as with the relationship of my ex wife.
Was fun in the past now complete shiiit :)
Bob Lemoche I totally agree with you! Subaru has sold out.
Talk numbers, never sold as much as the others, why make a car that doesn't sell? I work for Subaru and it's the people that decide the fate of any car
David Romero I think it comes down to marketing, informing the buyer, salespeople that know what it is.
hurricane watcher thanks for your great input and experience!
i love this guy reviews
I was really looking forward to seeing this car evolve on the global platform. I’m a proud owner of a 09’ XT. I purposely sought out the turbo Forester for the year round utility. Perfect car for road trips and getting through different types of terrain.
I really appreciate the way you spoke of this vehicle because I truly feel the same. It’s an all around balanced vehicle that will be missed by fellow enthusiasts worldwide.
This specific color and trim is particularly attractive on the latest model. Again great overview of this subaru. It’s a bitter sweet end and I’m sad to see it go.
Michael Zola that’s for your personal experience and feedback!
I think it is downright amazing that they skimp on the USB ports. These cost so little. I can buy a cable for very little at retail and it would cost Subaru even less. Yet, to get ports and high amp charging ports, you generally must pay for a very expensive trim or opt for a very expensive package in which to get these very useful and very inexpensive items. It's a poor decision to force the buyer into such expensive options for adequate and expected USB ports.
Robert Bryant great feedback and perspective!
There's 2 inside the center console and a hole for cables to route through on the top left and right sides. At least that's how it is in my 2016 XT! Not sure about the 2018 but I'd assume it's the same.
Austin Crow I have the 2018 model, it's the same - USB ports are in the center console. Not really the most convenient in terms of placement, but I guess it's better than nothing.
The USB ports are low power because they're meant for data transfer through MirrorLink instead of charging... the kicker is that MirrorLink doesn't even work in the US!
Why do you want a cover for the cup holders? I'm always wanting them to include the spring loaded tabs to keep your drink container from rattling around.
Robert Bryant so when I’m not using them I to have them covered. I like the spring loaded tabs as well.
I would be interested to know if that intercooler cooling is more efficient than the bonnet scoop. The reason I say this is because the top surfaces of the bonnet, excuse my accent, is a low pressure area. Bernoulli effect
gen3v8 I never thought about that!!! It would be interesting to find out! 😊👍🏻
>I would be interested to know if that intercooler cooling is more efficient than the bonnet scoop.
Possibly, though I suspect the scoop is gone for safety reasons. They can increase injury to pedestrians in collisions.
The bonnet scoop ducted air on top of the intercooler
Late to the party but still loved the review
Nice review. Now that the used vehicle market is finally starting to correct, CPO 2018 Forester Touring XTs without a ton of miles can be found in the mid $20s which is a fair price. I plan on picking one of these up very soon. I owned a 2019 WRX with this 2.0 DIT engine until recently and it's a gem in that car, very smooth and reliable. I recently ordered a 2023 Forester Touring, but I decided to cancel it since the prices on these XTs started falling. I can get one of these for at least $80000 less than a brand new Touring with no turbo.
Subaru axed it because it wasn’t profitable for them. Not enough were buying the model compared to what was produced. Pretty simple to understand.
Ben V if it was market well and had some excitement around it they would sell.
Raiti's Rides Not sure because its still a Forester- a compact and affordable crossover for small active families. That’s the intention of it. Anything niche or serving the niche speed market would rather get a true, low to the ground, curb hugging car which is the purpose of the WRX. They tried for years with the XT but in the end time ran out on its final numbers.
Ben V very good point! I appreciate your input!
Going from the $26k 2.5i premium to the $29,500 xt premium (essentially a turbo upgrade only) is a pretty tough $3500 pill to swollow for someone shopping a budget vehicle. According to the EPA the 2.5i is 32mpg on the highway & the xt is 27. Considering premium fuel is roughly an 8% increase in price that gives the 2.5i roughly an 8 mpg increase on the highway which is the majority of most people's commutes. If someone drives 13000 miles a year driving a mixture of city & highway leaning more towards the latter the 2.5i owner (at least here in California) would be saving well over $400 a year in fuel cost which can help pay for their Starbucks addiction. Additionally with the introduction of the ascent i think Subaru would prefer to not cannibalize sales of their new much more profitable model by making their entry low hanging fruit model too enticing for people with much more cash to bleed.
Very well said! Thank you for sharing your perspective!
Given the size of the current Forester I can almost understand this move. I just hope we see a Crosstrek XT replace it.
rstang281 I think that’s wishful thinking. I believe many people would buy it but Subaru isn’t going to do it. They are becoming too vanilla as a company.
Raiti's Rides I think you are right but one can hope. A Crosstrek XT would be awesome, light and small enough to actually be sporty and still cross over for utility.
rstang281 there was a tech that swapped in an engine from a current model WRX into a first generation Crosstrek. It worked out very nice. Let’s see what happens!🤞🙏🏻
I drool over the thought of a Crosstrek XT but it looks like it will never happen.
Larry Richelli it blows my mind Subaru doesn’t see an option there!
When I bought my 2018 Subaru Forester XT, the dealership said they only sold about 6 this whole year. Lol. VS the 250 non turbo foresters. Plus the price difference is huge, base forester is $22k, the XT $34k. Most people can’t justify paying 12k more for an XT model.
Is it worth it? IMO, yes. Haha.
I believe it is totally worth it and now you have something that is unique and not available anymore! I think many of the reasons is Subaru did not market it well enough and many Subaru salespeople didn't know jack about it.
Can't compare with base model. Compare it with loaded 2.5 Touring. I'm on my 2nd. Just got loaded 2018 XT Touring after trading in my 2014 XT Touring 2 weeks ago. Got great deal and I'm smiling every day. 35k loaded to include most accessories like remote start, trailer hitch, aero rack, front sill plates, sti pedal kit, splash guards, rear bumper cover, interior/ext dimming mirror, door edge guards, rear seat back protector. Added tint and all HID upgrades, in and out to include fog lights..... happy camper am I. 2019 with no XT model prompted me to upgrade now.
Roma12 congrats on your new XT! It is a wonderful vehicle and a shame Subaru killed it off. Thank you for sharing your personal experience!😊👍🏻
Temperature gauge is on the upper top screen. Just have to select it.
There is a USB port. It's inside the center console.
Duck Thug I really appreciate the heads up! Thank you for sharing that!😊👍🏻
This was a great car - had an ‘18 XT touring.
The cool thing about them is they actually have some basic off-road ability, so many SUV's don't have this considering they are suppose to be a "sports utility vehicle".
Adam Randell I couldn’t agree with you more.
basic 😂. the Forester smashes most 4x4s
Idea: Video your own class room teachings and replay them year after year.
amill1563 hmmmm that might work! Then I can do more Raiti’s Rides!😊👍🏻
This is considered a 2018 model Stateside? This is my 2016 Forester XT in Singapore.
SeraphXT same model! 😊👍🏻. Get ready for 2019 changes!
I think you can bring up engine temperature and oil pressure on that center multi-function display.
Andy K it’s funny you mention that because on the 2015-2018 Subaru STI you can’t get that info on the screen but I learned you can on the WRX and XT. Thanks for helping.
Great review!!
Awww the days before the shorts and Twinkies those where the days
I love my '14 Forester XT. It's still very reliable after 45K miles. The ride is taut, the power is delivered smoothly. My only complaint is seat comfort, where the lumbar support ranges from too much to way too much. I skipped almost every upgrade and just bought the least expensive XT I could find.
This review is nice but doesn't cover any driving attributes the car. It's odd that "Raimi's Rides" doesn't actually ride in the car.
Yea... without the hood scoop it just looks like a normal SUV... that scoop would have given it a bit more style like the old Outbacks back in the day.
alphazoom II very good point!
Check again on those scopes on the side of the bumper. The previous XT had functional scopes there to cool the inter cooler
Bill Jordan not the are not functional. Thank you fir watching.
On the back bumper how do you call that black plastic that is attached to the bumper by the exhaust? Mines got scratched really bad and i rather replace that thing then buy a whole new bumper. thank you
That is the lower bumper cover. You should be able to just but that one piece. Please let me know if you have any more questions.
I love your reviews, very informative and it’s amazing to watch how far you’ve come!
20 plus years of history with the Forester XT is gone. So pissed off.
Sapient Budgie you’re not alone!
China is getting performance hybrid, so is Australia soon with the new model. i hope US will get one too. Seach Hybrid Forester.
Not going in the Forester in North America. Confirmed by the Subaru Execs.
Sapient Budgie You better buy a new one then. Lol
kushil05 thanks for the heads up! I guess we will have to see.
Does anyone know of the XT came in Manual 2018?
No, it didn’t come in a manual.
They told us what they are thinking. Numbers dont lie and most people went with the non turbo version so to save money they are making it with one engine. Personally 182 horses is more than enough and if you want a turbo go with the ascent or a WRX.
Daniel Masterson I think it’s good to have plenty of options. I think sales people need to be better educated and better marketing needs to happen.
All of the cool cars are disappearing!
Tell me about it!👍🏻
@ekim andersom None of them are *Performance SUVs*. Think of a car enthusiast suburban dad with 3 kids. And all those cars cost 3-4 times the price of a Forrester XT and nowhere near as practical.
18 minutes and you haven't driven it? F
I am sorry to let you down. Not every review is going to involve a drive. I will try to dig another one up and take it for a drive to review it. Not every dealership gives me the same access and sometimes I have to take what I can get. Thank you so much for understanding and I would be grateful if you stuck around!
You should try do some ON THROTTLE
all good the 19 comes in sport with cool red stichings it adds 50 horses.
Tony Chau I thought it added 75hp 😉.
As sad as it is to see them do away with the turbo version of the Forester it really does make sense coming from a business stand point. People just aren't buying sporty cars anymore. We as consumers are complaining about it but nobody goes out to buy one so they keep making them. Of course the economy is meh and things are expensive so it all really just comes down to it'sjust not a good time for them anymore. Not only that, I've spoken with some subaru salesmen who have told me the average subaru buyer is actually 60+ in age! Any young buyers are typically going for the brz, wrx, sti, and even maybe a crosstrek. Given how things are, I see and understand why subaru is doing what they are.
Also your side of florida is so nice and sunny! Over here in south FL we have some nice cloudy days with lots of rain lol. As usuall love your videos! Keep em coming!
Imlikethemoviesh thanks for the compliments! Your feedback is great and you have a good perspective about this. More people exist, but less car enthusiasts. I hope my channel can change that!
Thank you! Hopefully it does! We need more car enthusiasts!! Maybe even convert regular people into some :D
Imlikethemoviesh hell yes!!
My new car is Subaru Forester XT 2018,
Because lack of funds I've been waiting for a long time.
I saw that next year there will not be production of legendary Forster XT,
So I decided to make an effort and buy the best car in the segment of the compact SUV.
Dan Abramovitz congrats on you new XT! It’s a great SUV!
What is the price boss?
my daughter's Forester 2018 XT doesn't get near the gas milage you mention. About 22.5 at the most.
Maybe she drives a little faster/harder than she’s telling you lol
First years of these model they had few recalls on the engine nd engine cooling
Anderson Rodriguez this is true but all of that has been sorted out by now.😊👍🏻
Raiti's Rides everything time a new manufacture com with a brand new turbo engine always some cooling issues just like ford With their eco boost engine when it first came out nd Hyundai
Anderson Rodriguez totally agree! 👍🏻
We will have to look at other turbos
This is s true!
Does anyone know why Subaru did what they did with the engine?
If you are referring as to why the engine is flat it is to lower the center of gravity!
This will be the last great Forester unless they make at least a special edition turbo at some point in the model life cycle of the new one. Value of these turbos will be high and held. It will be truly sad if they never make a turbo in the new one as the chassis improvements sound like they would welcome the higher performance. If however they made a hybrid or electric at the price of a turbo Subaru could be forgiven if the performance is at turbo level. I would also add that I don't buy the cost to produce vs the numbers argument since Subaru is now a very successful company and could well afford to loose a little just to keep a box checked. The only explanation is extreme greed that now that they could afford to they want to milk every cent at the expense of some of their most loyal customers. Subaru if you are listening you need a real performance SUV and CUV. The WRX alone is not going to cut it for the practical performance crowd any more than the new Forester will so what are you planning to do? You have refused to make a turbo version of the XV and now the Forester both of which have the potential to be awesome performance SUV/CUV. You have lost sales and credibility and it seems like you are loosing your passion and your way. Make new friends while keeping the old is a good guide. Are you planning some completely new models to fill the gaps left but the turbo? I really do hope you have something up your sleeve Subaru?
I could not agree with you more! I think now that this car is no more they should make a Crosstrek XV. I really believe that there is a market for that!
Well of course theyre going to get rid of it. They have the accent now with a turbo 4. Not enough sales on the FXT. I love our 15' FXT though and will most likely get the accent as well.
Meng Dynasty I think they do a terrible job of marketing the Forrester XT.
That is correct. Most don't know about the xt
Have just bought another one. Love it.
In addition, I’m guessing the price of the Forester is a factor in the decision to not continue the XT engine for this line.
Gary Huisman the accountants always win.
“It has the same EXACT engine as the wrx.... little bit different” haha
LOL! Thanks for letting me share some laughs with you!
Overall, great video. Thanks for the content.
3 seconds in - mispelled Forester on the freakin title. Come on man
Sorry I made a mistake, I apologize. I appreciate you watching.
Pay attention Tom!! LOL
Stephen Cantu Tom is a great guy! He is very focused.
Haha, you both did a great job! Keep up the good work!
Stephen Cantu thank you sir! I really appreciate that!😊
"Not too atrocious"?! What kind of comment is that? Guy is a tool.