Thank you Elliot. This worked for me. I quit Vit C when I started carnivore and was not doing as well as I hoped. Back on the Vit C, still on carnivore and doing so so much better.
"When a person takes more than the recommended limit of vitamin C, they may experience mild digestive disturbances. These can occur if the vitamin C that the body does not absorb irritates the gastrointestinal tract. Common mild side effects of too much vitamin C include: diarrhea." So you can see it's a bit counterintuitive.
I take benfotiamine and ascorbic acid after watching a lot of EO’s videos. I stay conscious of my oxalate consumption too. This is such good info you don’t find anywhere else!
OMGOsh, this is ME, I've been CV for over 18 months but my chronic GI issues didn't resolved, I got more skin scaring, bruising and skin texture in general issues with poor hair, nails and very dry cuticle skin around them. In addition, to top it all off in past few months I've also developed very heavy histamine intolerance. I added kidney supplements that help with some histamine issues but not with the other issues. THANK YOU for doing this research and putting it together making it extremely helpful to folks like me. KUDOS and please keep up the great work!!!
Doing way better now, after a while I’ve been cycling vitamin C in and out and that seems to be working well. Also, my histamine intolerance is now minimum close to none.
@@RenG24 Wow, congratulations!! I ended up having to quit carnivore because of major histamine issues, but this might just be what I needed to do as well. If I may ask, which brand do you use and how often/how much do you cycle in and out over time?
I dont have a directly related comment to make, I just want to tell you that your presentations are so valuable and the masses will realise this in time xx
I really needed to hear this! Today's my 27th day in to the carnivore diet, initially I felt great but by time I began to experience histamine intolerance, something that I didn't have in this scale. Maybe a part of it is also Oxalate dumping. Anyways I'm starting taking vitamin C every day now, I hope I get better soon. I had major good changes on Carnivore diet, but maybe I need to look more deeply in to it, since I'm coming from a chronic stress, gut issues, chronic UTI background. Please continue making these videos, these are life changing. ❤🙏❤
@@jorgeguitar2540 to be honest I feel much better! I take 500 or 1000 mg of vitamin C a day, my symptoms are much much better now. Plus sometimes I eat a piece of fruit.
I don’t get it. Since sugar & vitamin c are very close on the molecular level, they compete for transports/absorption in the body & the body preferentially chooses the sugar but on carnivore it’s almost 0 sugar and because of that the body absorbs vitamin c more efficient & hence needs a lot less due to the up-regulation. Most people don’t have a problem vitamin c on a carnivorous diet but eventually end up having a problem with too much iron & not getting enough copper due to amounts of both zinc & iron in the meats
@@SMychal25 - Paul Saladino points out that those on a carnivore diet don't have mineral problems. When fortified plant foods are removed, the body knows how to deal with natural minerals such as iron from animal foods. The body excretes what it doesn't need without any difficulty, unless there is some major health condition.
Ben Steele sure they do! If you are on carnivore, you should be very aware aware of your zinc, copper & iron ratios. You will develop an imbalance if you don’t pay attention to those. Your body cannot excrete iron unless you are a women, you understand that right? Speaking of Saladino, he supplements with magnesium & potassium, if that was the case, why supplement?
I've tried to go carnivore several times and every time I experience low vitamin d symptoms...teeth mainly. Thank you for this. Every time I asked for help in carnivore groups I was ridiculed and laughed at.
Great information here. Started instinctively adding lemon juice to my bone broth in my carnivorish diet, felt benefits, wasn’t sure why, this clears up my questions. Thank you Elliot!
Well done - so helpful Elliot - an insight that is helping me. The penny dropped when I saw your first vid with case histories . My recurrent bruising on my arms has stopped and an energy lift was undeniable. Gut / digestion problems seem to be much improved too Thanks 🙏🙏
EONutrition - yes Vit c. Background history , 66 yo male , low carb for 24 months , carnivore for last 14 months . Lifetime issues , since young adulthood with poor digestion ( rapid gastric emptying ) which may have compromised my gut permeability and or ability to absorb nutrients efficiently ???? Keto ( low carb ) got rid of the gas but not the root cause of the digestive disorder . In the last year I noticed that my arms were bruising very easily , didn’t take much for an ugly bruise to appear . I assumed that my sun damaged skin , plus age was the reason . My gum health has remained normal - no bleeding interestingly . Saw your earlier utube vid early Jan and it gave me an Ah ha moment . Started taking 2 x 600 mg Vit c daily and noted 1 . Digestion stabilised to normal from this constant episodic upset issue 2 . Keep waiting another bruise to show up - hasn’t happened 3 . My lower energy status noted in December was replaced with better energy levels that last thru the day . So thanks and thanks again - your insight has been a game changer for me . Now just wondering about how much to take , how long to keep that dose and potential implications for oxalate load .
Hi Deb , I’m no expert here - just picked a random brand Sanderson Ester -plex 600 mg chewable Vit c supplement . No idea what’s best of if there are better choices out there .
Excelente trabalho. Ao longo de mais 30 anos de estudo de nutrição aprende imenso com o seu saber. O melhor que temho assistido. Grato por ser generoso em transmitir a sua sabedoria.
Great work. My large dose vitamin C gives me horrible oxalate dumping that manifests as gout. But blood tests show no high Uric Acid. So it's oxalates.
I'm not pretending to be the expert but carnivore community have some superstitious beliefs (just like vegans do) with their attempts to downplay vitamin C role and saying things like "Carbs compete with vitamin C, we eat no carbs so we're ok", "we don't need as much vitamin C because this or that". Thing is that 1) There's indeed competition for GLUT receptors but we have other receptors for vitamin C as well (SVCT1/2), and if your food contains too little vitamin C to begin with (meat has some but very minor amounts) just "better absorption" won't help you. Competition factor everyone talks about may reduce absorption but this reduction may or not be relevant. 2) Key takeaway from the video is what I can't agree more with - modern people are exposed to way more stress & environmental toxins, chronic illnesses and infections than other ancestors do. You may deplete vitamin C at faster rates than you think you do. You're not necessarily instantly getting scurvy if you're deficient, on the other hand you can have subclinical deficiency you don't know of P.S. Reading plenty of comments here - I'd like to point out that scary stories about "synthetic vitamin C" are pushed by supplement manufacturers that want to upsell you stuff for 10x the price. "Synthetic" vitamin C is produced by bacterial fermentation of sugars, not by mixing reactives, hence you end up with 100% L-ascorbic acid that is bioavailable and not some sort of racemate like with, say, lipoic acid. Most medical research that shows effects of vitamin C used pharmaceutical grade ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate and not those rosehip powders. If you can afford it - go on, but there's no need to go for expensive plant extracts Anyway, thanks for the video
If I'm not mistaken vitamin C is heat sensitive. This might be a part of the reason why heaps of people on a carnivore diet instinctively crave to eat raw meat.
Its apparently only majorly degraded by fairly high heat, but a low simmer only partially. The main thing is that it is water soluble so you can low simmer whole (the skin is higher in vit c) citrus or rosehips for example to extract most vit C virtually intact to the water. Or dehydrate fresh citrus skin and powder it and add to food... keep those skins peeps!
Thanks so much Elliot for this video & your non-dogmatic approach! Diagnosed with IBD Nov 2019 and have been CV since but have only seen some slow small improvement in symptoms. Have noticed my fingernails seem a little more brittle & I had a bruise for no apparent reason a wk ago. My worse symptom is extreme fatigue which is helped a little with B12 injections & mouth sprays. I'll give 1g of vitamin C a trial for a wk and let you know if any dramatic changes!
Makes a lot of sense... I am strugling with carnivore after 13 months... will try to add vit c... I do like the work of Linus Pauling... Refreshing to see carnivore talked about in a rational non dogmatic way... cheers...
I've been on the carnivore diet for more than 3 years I have noticed the issue of easily bruising and when my skin takes an impact it tends to rip open easily. I couldn't figure out why I just figured it was old age as I am in my mid 50's. I came to the conclusion a few months ago that it may be vitamin C deficiency and have begun taking 1000 to 2000 a day. So far after a few months still bruising pretty easy, but feel like it is improved. Other symptoms are very itchy skin all over, but mainly in the winter months, skin dryness mainly on the back of my hands, and more recently lethargy, but this seems to have improved with adding the vitamin C. I found this video helpful as most of the scenarios, such as radio frequency and very high stress over the past few years including OMAD I believe has increased my cortisol levels greatly. Since taking the vitamin C I feel like I have gotten some relief from the stress and feel more relaxed.
good talk. just want to add that having sufficient Vit C will help your body to opperate normally. it wont make it perform better than what is possible.
I feel the vast majority of issues on carnivore either stem from individuals who are previously metabolically challenged or consuming low quality meat.
Thanks so much for that, it helped me heaps. I really resonate with what you said. I will play around more with vit C. Brilliant content Elliot, thanks again
@@rdance3 Thanks. I also had this problem. Once I started supplementing I felt like myself again and felt like even dancing between sets at the gym. I think cooking destroys it quite easily.
After the first year of carnivorous/keto carnivorous living in which I improved a lot, I started to have histamine reactions and dermatitis on my back and face, plus occasional diarrhoea with intestinal pain. I must also try to supplement vitamin C.
Makes a lot of sense to me that modern stressors increase the demand for vitamin C. In fact, I'm doing a carnivore diet myself but occasionally wake up with puffy eyes. Also, any divergence from the diet induces stomach acid, which is also related to mast cells I believe. As a kid I suffered from asthmatic bronchitis and severe allergies.
What is better, camu camu, acerola or rosehip? And how much to take? I'm currently on an animal based diet with lemon juice but my asthma gets worse from the citrus sadly. I think I need vit C bcs I easily get swollen gums. I also have histamine issues. I prefer to eat vit C from a natural source instead of supplements. Are there oxalates in the camu camu, acerola and rosehip though? But you would eat really small amounts though...Like a teaspoon. I don't know what to do.
Even as its one year old, this video was very helpful.. BUT one question comes to my mind: What about ascorbic acid turning into oxalates? I always read, to stay very low on ascorbic acid intake otherwise ist converted to oxalates!? Could you please comment on that?
@@down2earth716 Ascorbic acid can auto-oxidize in the body into oxalate. Some people do not tolerate it, and I think this may be involved in why. However, many people with "oxalate issues" also see benefits from some vitamin C - so it is important to experiment and find what works for you
@Li Lu , yes. I've used the SCD when I was Dx with IBD. I'm back to it now after several years with no issuses. This time no veg or fruit though. I'm adding C to see if that helpd. I do take a B complex and extra B1 as needed which helps. If I try the cabbage I will go slow.
Very interesting! Thank you for a nice breakdown of Vitamin C. Just wondering if supplementing with Vit C during prolonged water fasting could help to fight chronic stress (from fasting) and if it might help to heal the gut and solve some skin issues as it can help to regenerate collagen. Actually bleeding gums is a common side effect of water fasting. I'd experienced it by myself too. And at that time I was thinking that it might be from some vitamin deficiency too. So this could be actually true.
see orthomolecular medicine. see Dr Andrew Saul, Thomas Levy, Suzzane Humphries lectures. it is mind blowing to hear documented claims and also hear from people's testimony.
By vitamin c You refer yo strictly ascorbic acid (as suplement)? Do You recomend a special one? I was on keto for 10 months and just turned carnivore 2 months ago. I've heard many confussing data about vitamin c, so i'm not certain wether to suplementate or not. My gums stopped bleeding 2 weeks after i started carnivore, so I thought that was a good sign.
I have been a big vitamin C fan. When people worry about oxalate, they say that taking more than 250mg of C can turn into oxalate. How do we navigate the possible oxalate side of taking C, while possibly using C to gut tolerance for some high oxidation events?
I notice you prescribed far less Vitamin C here in these cases than recommended in the video about carnivore diet diarrhea. I also heard you say that too much vitamin c can negatively affect Oxalate issues. If starting a carnivore diet and experiencing some loose stools, but also concerned that oxalates are an issue, what amount/range would you recommend daily?
Hey Elliot, I’ve been on cv diet for 3 years and still experienced loose stools. I have MCAS and don’t tolerate many synthetic supplements and when I tried to supplement Ascorbic acid powder, I got my usual tightness of muscles and aching joints. Any alternative to this for C? I’m also fructose intolerant which causes the same reaction. Thank you for your amazing channel btw! I’ve been on your b1 protocol for over a month and have noticed so many improvements!
Although what I propose may lead to the same digestion circumstance, I'll offer the following consideration. Have you tried taking an entire lemon (with the seeds, peel/rind, etc. = every single part of the lemon) and blending it up to a perfect liquid? You can mix it with a tall glass of water and drink it with a straw to protect your teeth enamel. This will supply you with some Vitamin C. Also, you can get a Rose Hips supplement in pill form to get even more Vitamin C. Depending on where you live, you might also try Kakadu Plums.
A 2 year carnivore dude i met on discord who has a lot of dairy in his diet told me that he noticed he had slight scurvy symptoms and felt a lot better taking acerola cherry powder which was fully fixing his problems and has been warning people for months on discord that if they where going to be carb heavy or have pasteurized dairy or over cooked meat all the time, then they needed to supplement with some vitamin c... i bought some camu camu powder because of him and i rarely remember to take it. but thru-out my life I've always gotten these random gum infections, usually right after brushing too hard. or just randomly, and if the infection got bad i would usually have a tooth die internally... and I've had 3 root canals because of this... and i noticed these coming back even on carnivore and at an accelerated rate then my past. and it would happen right after i had waaaay too much dairy carbs... and so i started to take the vit c and i noticed the mouth infections no longer would linger, they would just start healing slowly the moment i ate some camu camu powder. i'm kind of bad at remembering to take the camu but after this video... i realized i definitely have over half the vit c depletors you listed... sooo, i just ate some camu camu and i think i will be for the next week daily. i have energy problems i'm kinda hoping this is the key to me feeling fully energetic again.
@@necrokittie2291 Old comment, but I noticed similar problems. Started eating some fruit regularly and everything seems good. I drink raw goat's milk and eat meat/eggs, but I'll have fruit a few times a week now at least.
Does a typical serving of sauerkraut provide a significant amount of vitamin C? Trying to figure out good food sources on a low carb animal based diet.
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Thanks, this seems to apply to me. I have measured low serum C and have some symptoms. I will try supplementing now but I'd really love to know if this can be solved completely. I just want to eat meat without supplementing anything.
Kuduku Plumb or Acerola Cherry forms of vitamin C that’s higher than standard Vit C. And a food state source rather than synthetic … Do you know about that or can talk about it?
Would the various offerings of “whole food” vitamin C supplements still work or is AA specifically required for purposes mentioned in this video? Dr Berg and Morley Robinson have some pretty severe criticism of AA saying it actually is only a part of what Vitamin C is and causes a imbalance and depletion. I have many of the issues mentioned in this video but don’t want to harm myself with AA if it’s a problematic but also don’t want to use whole food version if it’s ineffective for the purposes you’ve laid out (it’s also way more expensive to take at 1-3g).
Elliot, my understanding is that ascorbic acid and Vitamin C are not the same thing. This distinction makes a big difference in that the body really needs real Vitamin C, rather than the ascorbic acid. Can you comment on this please.
@@down2earth716 Ascorbic Acid is Vitamin C. It is metabolized into oxalic acid, a potentially lethal toxin that causes oxalate nephropathy (calcium stones in the kidneys), when dangerous levels are in serum. Supplementation with 3-6 grams per day is frequently lethal if carried out for an extended time period.
I started taking vit c 250mg 4x/day and my histamine issues are way better but now I’m having joint pain for the first time. Any updates on findings of vit c and oxolates Elliot or any others? Maybe it’s unrelated but it’s concerning.
When do you think it's best to take a vitamin C supplement, i.e. with food, in-between, or on an empty stomach, etc? And how many times per day? I'm asking mainly because some people worry about iron overload on the carnivore diet, and taking vitamin C with red meat supposedly increases iron absorption.
Something is missing.. I have been a conivore for over a year and my teeth "issues" have improved immensely. Sleep, energy, thinking and many other functions have improved. So did you ask these conivores what they are eating? If they are not getting enough red meat ... than I could see them getting issues.
I eat primarily beef, moose🫎, elk, caribou and buffalo 🦬. I only eat chicken and pork maybe once a week. Also how many eggs are they eating .. a minimum of 6 per day for me. I do not take any supplements. I think the conivores you are talking about do not eat properly.
Micronutrient requirements can vary widely from person to person, based on their environment, their genetics, and their health status. The people laid out in this video were not doing it "wrong". If it works for you, thats great. The point was that their health condition (and whatever other environmental influences) increased their demand for/turnover of vitamin C.
Good video. I have addison's disease 34 years. Now that I have retired I've slowed down. Been on the corinvor diet and Ive had the same problem of low energy. I'm taking the vitamin c &d. Better but still lagging
Thanks so much for this. I went on Carnivore for six months and developed sub clinical vitamin C deficiency. I am currently supplimenting with powdered rose hip. Is there a better vitamin C that you'd recommend? I heard ascorbic acid can actually deplete vitamin C.
@@helenalovelock1030 I hear different viewpoints from many health practitioners. To be on the safe side I use a complex of ascorbic acid and citrus bioflavonoids by Now. It's helping me synthesize protein onto muscle and diminish broken blood vessels. It's early days so far.
Try lemon. A classic ‘tonic’ for improving gut health and keeping acid levels proper in the stomach is early morning drink of water with apple cider vinegar and lemon juice. I am currently trying lemon juice in my bone broth.
Hi Elliot! Could you tell me please if the synthetic version of Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is harmful to the body? I just bought it from a legitimate source and it doesn't seem to harm me at all. I feel pretty good taking it. On the other hand, is the synthetic version of vitamin C harmful to the body? Thanks.
I've stumbled upon an article about Vitamin C. It mentioned, "Vitamin C is not created in a laboratory, and our bodies reject synthetic ascorbic acid as a toxin.". Is that true?
This is a very late response I guess but maybe someone else may read it. Industrial ascorbic acid is produced by bacteria via fermentation process of different sugars (so its not "synthetic" to begin with). Hence why the results isn't a racemate or some complex mixture but 100% of L-ascorbic acid that's very bioavaliable. All medical research related to vitamin C since 20 century was based on pharmaceutical grade ascorbic acid and not some sort of "rosehip powder" or "acerola extract". "Natural vitamin C" is sort of a scam because while there is some truth in things that those people say (extra bioflavonoids and factors from fruits are synergetic with vitamin C and can reinforce vitamin C effects but it performs on its own without them as well) its mostly for profits. I think price difference between cheap ascrobic acid or sodium acorbate and "natural" vitamin C is just silly and even it being slightly better just doesn't justify 10 times difference. If you're concerned about poor absorption just split the dose as much as you can because vitamin C has short half-life in your body and excess is extracted very quickly
Decided to try vit C, started today 1g divided into 3 portions of ascorbic acid per day. On carnivore 9 months, f 48, puffy eyes, low energy, still gut issues, no bleeding gums, histamine sensitivity, skin itchiness, easy bruising. Thanks for all your help🌹
@@kwagnert You will die from electrolyte poisonings as well if you chronically over dose them, potassium in particular being quite dangerous -- potassium supplements have been made illegal in many countries... twitter.com/Sadrien_GW2/status/1224153387408642049 That tweet lists several studies that conclude vitamin C oral and IV therapy is dangerous and potentially lethal even in those with healthy kidney function because it causes oxalate nephropathy particularly when combined with high oxalate foods.
Hey, Elliot, have you got any reliable pointers to a good clean source of powdered ascorbic acid? I was using this cheap Holland & Barrett stuff which I assumed was of dubious origin but seemed to be doing the business, and I thought it would probably be a good idea to upgrade to a specified 'non-GMO' brand, which I did do, but that one doesn't seem to be doing much. I'm confused!
Basically.. it would be a good idea for me to add some vit c supplements and see how I feel 🤔🤔🤔 I think I would greatly benefit cos my sensitivity to a variety of things (and also cos I'm not super strict but I mean a small bite of a small chocolate made my tongue get a couple of pimples) point is my flare ups are usually pimples, foliculitis flare up.. I avoid maize meal, and almost all carbs in general. Once I'm better I'm gna eat half a apple to test my body on its response to the useless fructose.
Thank you for presenting this information. It is a good thing not to adhere to any dietary dogmas no matter where they originate.....could mean all the difference for some. Thanks
Is there any risk to an individual who is taking a Vitamin C supplement who may be getting enough in their diet but is unsure so is supplementing? What happens when you have too much vitamin C?
Dear Doctor Thanks for this nice video I have a Vague autoimmune disorder symptoms Although all laboratory tests for autoimmune Disorders are (Negative) * Primary Sclerosing cholangitis with liver Cirrhosis 29% Severe digestive disorder Dry mucous membranes, eyes, mouth Dry skin with oily sweat Dry hair and falling Severe Muscle wasting What is your recommendation Thanks in advance
Has Sjogren's been ruled out? If you have negative blood tests for antibodies you need to look into a biopsy of the salivary glands. Not all rheumatologists are knowledgeable about Sjogren's though.
Maybe all we need to consume is Vitamin C then, if being on a Carnivore diet causes all those issues, and Vitamin C fixes them and gives you all these benefits, lets all go back to eating high Vitaminc C foods such as Fruit and Veg and not meat?
People cut out the fruits & veg because they cause the problems such as inflammation and gut issues, and they find that meat is very healing & necessary, lol.
There is a difference between vitamin c from natural source and synthetic vitamin c? Some doctors say that synthetic vitamin c is more harmful than good
It is based on a Finnish double blinded clinical trial involving cancer patients with vitC isolate and placebo. Life expectancy on the placebo was much higher not just statistically. So, most times at least in my country pharmacists suggest vitC complex, but super expensive! I rely heavily on my lemon tree in my balcony for my vitC. I feel like even a little bit on top of my grilled protein is enough. But that's how I feel, others might need more or less than I do.
Do you have a protocol to eliminate individual vitamin deficiencies from possible roots of more non specific problems on carnivore. By that I mean could you take 1-2 grams of Vit C for example for a week and if no positive uptick could you rule out C deficiency? What about other common to CV vitamin and mineral deficiencies you have found somewhat common/
I try not to use specific protocols but rather sit down, go through someones history and all of the symptoms and current health condition. Then, based on that information, I will decide what is the best course of action. Sometimes testing is necessary, other times people cannot afford and we experiment with what I suspect is going on. Generally, for digestive issues, I have a protocol of things I get people to try, but that can be fluid and changeable sometimes. In CV the people who are non-responders, or have issues that aren't cleared up are generally related to B vitamin issues - particularly thiamine, biotin, and riboflavin. Can also be problems with low copper/high copper, iron, and some of the other minerals. It depends on each person really
Why not just a bit of lemon juice to your meat? Your vitamin c requirement on carnivore still is much lower than on the standard diet and a bit of lemon juice and zest can add not only vitamin c but also a bit of variety
I'm 23 months into my carnivore path and have just ordered Ascorbyl Palmitate, a very bioavailable fat-soluble version of vitamin C. Anyone have any experience with or info on Ascorbyl Palmitate?
Other than vit d there is vit s in the sun heat .it is best antiinflammatory ,best antioxidant and collagen production .so vit S or sun vit or Somali vitamin .it is discovered by me
Could you please help me with this. I been on a carnivore diet for about two months now. I have alot of swelling in my nose and ears both along with breakouts and bleeding! I sneeze now and than to and itchy in my ears. I have other symptoms to. It calms down when I clear my body of food enema etc. Could this be the same kind of thing you speak of here? I feel pretty much flu like for 2 decades and lately really bad. I been taking the minerals you suggest in some of your videos and find it is helping along with the B 1 and B6 big signs I have seen. Golly I sure wish I could afford some serious help here it sure has been a ride to date trying everything to regain my health. I was into the raw scene for a number of years to but that did not work. Yes I got some relief in symptoms but saw I was declining over time. I would very much appreciate any suggestions.
Interesting. I started taking vit C again recently because I noticed that my hands are REALLY red after washing them. Been washing my hands A LOT last few weeks. Does anyone know if vit C is useful for fighting viruses or the blunting of oxidation might actually be a hindrance?
They may not develop "scurvy" in the full-blown sense. But some people certainly develop vitamin C INSUFFICIENCY. Same with other nutrients. It is not necessarily due to the diet in and of itself, but their health status during/before the diet, along with environmental influences etc.
I have been told that because ascorbic acid is man made it should be not be taken … but take natural plant based vit c which is what I have been doing … but after hearing several videos here, I am switching!
The term "carnivore" means nothing when it comes to what people actually eat. Many "carnivores" are still consuming significant carbs(>50g), from sources that don't include VitC, that they do actually become deficient. This is not because meat doesn't have enough, but due to those added carbs competing with the VitC for access into the cells. For someone who likes to be specific, i wish you were more specific regarding this!
Thank you for your channel and the info you've been releasing! In case it helps someone out there, there are presently many forms of Vitamin C being sold. Some have significant advantages and disadvantages based on one's condition(s). They are: 1. Ascorbic Acid 2. Ascorbate and Vitamin C Metabolites 3. Vitamin C with Bioflavonoids 4. Liposomal Vitamin C 5. Ascorbyl Palmitate 6. Vitamin C with Rose Hips 7. Sodium Ascorbate 8. Calcium Ascorbate 9. Magnesium Ascorbate If you are getting acid reflux and bowel intolerance with one form, try a form WITHOUT Ascorbic ACID. For those of you concerned about Oxalates, you might wanna check this video out next, and fast forward to the end if you need to save time: ruclips.net/video/eH9llWp0ixs/видео.html
Thank you Elliot. This worked for me. I quit Vit C when I started carnivore and was not doing as well as I hoped. Back on the Vit C, still on carnivore and doing so so much better.
"When a person takes more than the recommended limit of vitamin C, they may experience mild digestive disturbances. These can occur if the vitamin C that the body does not absorb irritates the gastrointestinal tract. Common mild side effects of too much vitamin C include: diarrhea." So you can see it's a bit counterintuitive.
I take benfotiamine and ascorbic acid after watching a lot of EO’s videos. I stay conscious of my oxalate consumption too. This is such good info you don’t find anywhere else!
Btw, I thank and love your not dogmatic approach, and that You see every individual as Unique. All doctors should learn from you.!
OMGOsh, this is ME, I've been CV for over 18 months but my chronic GI issues didn't resolved, I got more skin scaring, bruising and skin texture in general issues with poor hair, nails and very dry cuticle skin around them. In addition, to top it all off in past few months I've also developed very heavy histamine intolerance. I added kidney supplements that help with some histamine issues but not with the other issues. THANK YOU for doing this research and putting it together making it extremely helpful to folks like me. KUDOS and please keep up the great work!!!
Your welcome. Let me know how it goes
Rg How are you now?
@Rg How are you now?
Doing way better now, after a while I’ve been cycling vitamin C in and out and that seems to be working well. Also, my histamine intolerance is now minimum close to none.
@@RenG24 Wow, congratulations!! I ended up having to quit carnivore because of major histamine issues, but this might just be what I needed to do as well. If I may ask, which brand do you use and how often/how much do you cycle in and out over time?
I dont have a directly related comment to make, I just want to tell you that your presentations are so valuable and the masses will realise this in time xx
I really needed to hear this! Today's my 27th day in to the carnivore diet, initially I felt great but by time I began to experience histamine intolerance, something that I didn't have in this scale. Maybe a part of it is also Oxalate dumping. Anyways I'm starting taking vitamin C every day now, I hope I get better soon. I had major good changes on Carnivore diet, but maybe I need to look more deeply in to it, since I'm coming from a chronic stress, gut issues, chronic UTI background. Please continue making these videos, these are life changing. ❤🙏❤
Tara Vera how you feel now?
@@jorgeguitar2540 to be honest I feel much better! I take 500 or 1000 mg of vitamin C a day, my symptoms are much much better now. Plus sometimes I eat a piece of fruit.
try taking 10-30 grams once in a while. it feels amazing.
@@ff144k in most people this will lead to terrible diarrhea…
I started a carnivore diet and soon after I craved citrus fruits. I can only eat meats if I eat oranges, grapefruit, and mangos after.
Were these case studies written up & published anywhere>
Nope, they are people I consulted with!
Mr berry I would like your thoughts about this
I don’t get it. Since sugar & vitamin c are very close on the molecular level, they compete for transports/absorption in the body & the body preferentially chooses the sugar but on carnivore it’s almost 0 sugar and because of that the body absorbs vitamin c more efficient & hence needs a lot less due to the up-regulation. Most people don’t have a problem vitamin c on a carnivorous diet but eventually end up having a problem with too much iron & not getting enough copper due to amounts of both zinc & iron in the meats
@@SMychal25 - Paul Saladino points out that those on a carnivore diet don't have mineral problems. When fortified plant foods are removed, the body knows how to deal with natural minerals such as iron from animal foods. The body excretes what it doesn't need without any difficulty, unless there is some major health condition.
Ben Steele sure they do! If you are on carnivore, you should be very aware aware of your zinc, copper & iron ratios. You will develop an imbalance if you don’t pay attention to those. Your body cannot excrete iron unless you are a women, you understand that right? Speaking of Saladino, he supplements with magnesium & potassium, if that was the case, why supplement?
I've tried to go carnivore several times and every time I experience low vitamin d symptoms...teeth mainly. Thank you for this. Every time I asked for help in carnivore groups I was ridiculed and laughed at.
You should take at least 6000ie of vit D a day together with magnesium on carnivore.
Great information here. Started instinctively adding lemon juice to my bone broth in my carnivorish diet, felt benefits, wasn’t sure why, this clears up my questions. Thank you Elliot!
Lol. Hilarious.
Well done - so helpful Elliot - an insight that is helping me. The penny dropped when I saw your first vid with case histories . My recurrent bruising on my arms has stopped and an energy lift was undeniable. Gut / digestion problems seem to be much improved too
Thanks 🙏🙏
Awesome. Was that from taking vitamin C?
EONutrition - yes Vit c. Background history , 66 yo male , low carb for 24 months , carnivore for last 14 months . Lifetime issues , since young adulthood with poor digestion ( rapid gastric emptying ) which may have compromised my gut permeability and or ability to absorb nutrients efficiently ???? Keto ( low carb ) got rid of the gas but not the root cause of the digestive disorder .
In the last year I noticed that my arms were bruising very easily , didn’t take much for an ugly bruise to appear . I assumed that my sun damaged skin , plus age was the reason . My gum health has remained normal - no bleeding interestingly . Saw your earlier utube vid early Jan and it gave me an Ah ha moment . Started taking 2 x 600 mg Vit c daily and noted
1 . Digestion stabilised to normal from this constant episodic upset issue
2 . Keep waiting another bruise to show up - hasn’t happened
3 . My lower energy status noted in December was replaced with better energy levels that last thru the day .
So thanks and thanks again - your insight has been a game changer for me .
Now just wondering about how much to take , how long to keep that dose and potential implications for oxalate load .
bruce stevenson - thank you for your comment. Very helpful. What kind of vitamin C do you take? Thanks 😊
Hi Deb , I’m no expert here - just picked a random brand Sanderson Ester -plex 600 mg chewable Vit c supplement . No idea what’s best of if there are better choices out there .
@@brucestevenson683 how long did you do this for to see results?
Excelente trabalho. Ao longo de mais 30 anos de estudo de nutrição
aprende imenso com o seu saber. O melhor que temho assistido. Grato por ser generoso em transmitir a sua sabedoria.
Great work. My large dose vitamin C gives me horrible oxalate dumping that manifests as gout. But blood tests show no high Uric Acid. So it's oxalates.
I'm not pretending to be the expert but carnivore community have some superstitious beliefs (just like vegans do) with their attempts to downplay vitamin C role and saying things like "Carbs compete with vitamin C, we eat no carbs so we're ok", "we don't need as much vitamin C because this or that".
Thing is that 1) There's indeed competition for GLUT receptors but we have other receptors for vitamin C as well (SVCT1/2), and if your food contains too little vitamin C to begin with (meat has some but very minor amounts) just "better absorption" won't help you. Competition factor everyone talks about may reduce absorption but this reduction may or not be relevant.
2) Key takeaway from the video is what I can't agree more with - modern people are exposed to way more stress & environmental toxins, chronic illnesses and infections than other ancestors do. You may deplete vitamin C at faster rates than you think you do. You're not necessarily instantly getting scurvy if you're deficient, on the other hand you can have subclinical deficiency you don't know of
P.S. Reading plenty of comments here - I'd like to point out that scary stories about "synthetic vitamin C" are pushed by supplement manufacturers that want to upsell you stuff for 10x the price. "Synthetic" vitamin C is produced by bacterial fermentation of sugars, not by mixing reactives, hence you end up with 100% L-ascorbic acid that is bioavailable and not some sort of racemate like with, say, lipoic acid. Most medical research that shows effects of vitamin C used pharmaceutical grade ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate and not those rosehip powders. If you can afford it - go on, but there's no need to go for expensive plant extracts
Anyway, thanks for the video
Spot on comment! Agree!!
If I'm not mistaken vitamin C is heat sensitive. This might be a part of the reason why heaps of people on a carnivore diet instinctively crave to eat raw meat.
Maybe you are right about that! I have often thought the same thing
@Libra Argentum Excellent! Very happy to hear it
Its apparently only majorly degraded by fairly high heat, but a low simmer only partially. The main thing is that it is water soluble so you can low simmer whole (the skin is higher in vit c) citrus or rosehips for example to extract most vit C virtually intact to the water. Or dehydrate fresh citrus skin and powder it and add to food... keep those skins peeps!
@@sharaihmolyneaux8181 wrong timing, drink it after brushing not before else you scrape away your enamel
@@sharaihmolyneaux8181 I'm a dentist and though this advice is free I heed you to follow it
Thanks so much Elliot for this video & your non-dogmatic approach! Diagnosed with IBD Nov 2019 and have been CV since but have only seen some slow small improvement in symptoms. Have noticed my fingernails seem a little more brittle & I had a bruise for no apparent reason a wk ago. My worse symptom is extreme fatigue which is helped a little with B12 injections & mouth sprays. I'll give 1g of vitamin C a trial for a wk and let you know if any dramatic changes!
@David R Did you notice any changes?
Makes a lot of sense... I am strugling with carnivore after 13 months... will try to add vit c... I do like the work of Linus Pauling... Refreshing to see carnivore talked about in a rational non dogmatic way... cheers...
I've been on the carnivore diet for more than 3 years I have noticed the issue of easily bruising and when my skin takes an impact it tends to rip open easily. I couldn't figure out why I just figured it was old age as I am in my mid 50's. I came to the conclusion a few months ago that it may be vitamin C deficiency and have begun taking 1000 to 2000 a day. So far after a few months still bruising pretty easy, but feel like it is improved. Other symptoms are very itchy skin all over, but mainly in the winter months, skin dryness mainly on the back of my hands, and more recently lethargy, but this seems to have improved with adding the vitamin C. I found this video helpful as most of the scenarios, such as radio frequency and very high stress over the past few years including OMAD I believe has increased my cortisol levels greatly. Since taking the vitamin C I feel like I have gotten some relief from the stress and feel more relaxed.
It sounds like you may be eating to little fat. Decrease protein and increase fat a little and that can really help with some of those symptoms.
good talk. just want to add that having sufficient Vit C will help your body to opperate normally. it wont make it perform better than what is possible.
Thank you for sharing this important information.
I feel the vast majority of issues on carnivore either stem from individuals who are previously metabolically challenged or consuming low quality meat.
IYAO
Thanks so much for that, it helped me heaps.
I really resonate with what you said. I will play around more with vit C.
Brilliant content Elliot, thanks again
Great informative video. It would be good if you went back on the Human outliers performance podcast to help spread this
Please also look into light natural and artificial and the gut and hormone production/ cell metabolism
I got scurvy while on the Carnivore diet. I stayed on the diet and added Vit C and all symptoms cleared up quickly.
Doing some personal research. Was the majority of your meals ground beef?
@@sskr1992 LIver, sardines, oysters, eggs, all kinds of beef and lamb. Very litte chicken and pork. Some cheese too.
@@rdance3 Thanks. I also had this problem. Once I started supplementing I felt like myself again and felt like even dancing between sets at the gym. I think cooking destroys it quite easily.
After the first year of carnivorous/keto carnivorous living in which I improved a lot, I started to have histamine reactions and dermatitis on my back and face, plus occasional diarrhoea with intestinal pain. I must also try to supplement vitamin C.
Makes a lot of sense to me that modern stressors increase the demand for vitamin C. In fact, I'm doing a carnivore diet myself but occasionally wake up with puffy eyes. Also, any divergence from the diet induces stomach acid, which is also related to mast cells I believe. As a kid I suffered from asthmatic bronchitis and severe allergies.
amazing video. very balanced.
i hate to see people like dr shawn baker downplaying vitamin c. they are so dogmatic.
Very good, thanks for the video. Greetings from Venezuela
What is better, camu camu, acerola or rosehip? And how much to take? I'm currently on an animal based diet with lemon juice but my asthma gets worse from the citrus sadly. I think I need vit C bcs I easily get swollen gums. I also have histamine issues. I prefer to eat vit C from a natural source instead of supplements. Are there oxalates in the camu camu, acerola and rosehip though? But you would eat really small amounts though...Like a teaspoon. I don't know what to do.
Even as its one year old, this video was very helpful.. BUT one question comes to my mind: What about ascorbic acid turning into oxalates? I always read, to stay very low on ascorbic acid intake otherwise ist converted to oxalates!? Could you please comment on that?
...what about the oxalates in ascorbic acid ? I’m avoiding high Oxalates.
Li Lu Thanks 🙏
@@down2earth716 Ascorbic acid can auto-oxidize in the body into oxalate. Some people do not tolerate it, and I think this may be involved in why. However, many people with "oxalate issues" also see benefits from some vitamin C - so it is important to experiment and find what works for you
EONutrition thank you for that response Elliot! 🙏😊
@@EONutrition Feels like reading tea leaves sometimes.
Im sure its ok to have under 250mg with oxalates too
Fermented cabbage especially purple is very high in vitamin c, that’s how I healed my gums.
Josh Lockie oooo good to know
Nice!
I've been thinking about trying the Fermented cabbage juice to help heal my intestines. How long did you have to consume the fermented cabbage for?
@Li Lu , yes. I've used the SCD when I was Dx with IBD. I'm back to it now after several years with no issuses. This time no veg or fruit though. I'm adding C to see if that helpd. I do take a B complex and extra B1 as needed which helps. If I try the cabbage I will go slow.
Do you prefer ascorbic acid supplementation over a whole food complex like camu camu power, Acerola Cherry, or rose hip??
Another great educational video! Thanks Elliot! Much appreciated!
really neat
Is the form of ascorbic acid important as far as absorption and bioavailability?
Very interesting! Thank you for a nice breakdown of Vitamin C. Just wondering if supplementing with Vit C during prolonged water fasting could help to fight chronic stress (from fasting) and if it might help to heal the gut and solve some skin issues as it can help to regenerate collagen. Actually bleeding gums is a common side effect of water fasting. I'd experienced it by myself too. And at that time I was thinking that it might be from some vitamin deficiency too. So this could be actually true.
see orthomolecular medicine. see Dr Andrew Saul, Thomas Levy, Suzzane Humphries lectures. it is mind blowing to hear documented claims and also hear from people's testimony.
By vitamin c You refer yo strictly ascorbic acid (as suplement)?
Do You recomend a special one?
I was on keto for 10 months and just turned carnivore 2 months ago. I've heard many confussing data about vitamin c, so i'm not certain wether to suplementate or not. My gums stopped bleeding 2 weeks after i started carnivore, so I thought that was a good sign.
Elliot can you link to a Vit C supplement you recommend to clients ?
GENIUS ELLIOT!!!
I have been a big vitamin C fan. When people worry about oxalate, they say that taking more than 250mg of C can turn into oxalate. How do we navigate the possible oxalate side of taking C, while possibly using C to gut tolerance for some high oxidation events?
vitamin c reduces calcium oxalate by binding to free calcium before calcium cN bind to oxalate.. thus vitamin c actually removes calcium oxalate.
@@ff144k Excess vitamin C is metabolized to oxalate. I am interested in a source regarding your comment if you would share.
You may benefit by adding a good quality swiss cheese or another cheese to your diet.
I notice you prescribed far less Vitamin C here in these cases than recommended in the video about carnivore diet diarrhea. I also heard you say that too much vitamin c can negatively affect Oxalate issues. If starting a carnivore diet and experiencing some loose stools, but also concerned that oxalates are an issue, what amount/range would you recommend daily?
Hey Elliot, I’ve been on cv diet for 3 years and still experienced loose stools. I have MCAS and don’t tolerate many synthetic supplements and when I tried to supplement Ascorbic acid powder, I got my usual tightness of muscles and aching joints. Any alternative to this for C? I’m also fructose intolerant which causes the same reaction. Thank you for your amazing channel btw! I’ve been on your b1 protocol for over a month and have noticed so many improvements!
Although what I propose may lead to the same digestion circumstance, I'll offer the following consideration. Have you tried taking an entire lemon (with the seeds, peel/rind, etc. = every single part of the lemon) and blending it up to a perfect liquid? You can mix it with a tall glass of water and drink it with a straw to protect your teeth enamel. This will supply you with some Vitamin C. Also, you can get a Rose Hips supplement in pill form to get even more Vitamin C. Depending on where you live, you might also try Kakadu Plums.
@@nolomode14 I’ve been successfully taking the pure rose hip caps and it has helped a lot without many MCAS flares! Thanks for your reply!
A 2 year carnivore dude i met on discord who has a lot of dairy in his diet told me that he noticed he had slight scurvy symptoms and felt a lot better taking acerola cherry powder which was fully fixing his problems and has been warning people for months on discord that if they where going to be carb heavy or have pasteurized dairy or over cooked meat all the time, then they needed to supplement with some vitamin c... i bought some camu camu powder because of him and i rarely remember to take it. but thru-out my life I've always gotten these random gum infections, usually right after brushing too hard. or just randomly, and if the infection got bad i would usually have a tooth die internally... and I've had 3 root canals because of this... and i noticed these coming back even on carnivore and at an accelerated rate then my past. and it would happen right after i had waaaay too much dairy carbs... and so i started to take the vit c and i noticed the mouth infections no longer would linger, they would just start healing slowly the moment i ate some camu camu powder. i'm kind of bad at remembering to take the camu but after this video... i realized i definitely have over half the vit c depletors you listed... sooo, i just ate some camu camu and i think i will be for the next week daily. i have energy problems i'm kinda hoping this is the key to me feeling fully energetic again.
@@mello.b3373 exactly. but he only has raw dairy.
@@necrokittie2291 Old comment, but I noticed similar problems. Started eating some fruit regularly and everything seems good. I drink raw goat's milk and eat meat/eggs, but I'll have fruit a few times a week now at least.
Does a typical serving of sauerkraut provide a significant amount of vitamin C? Trying to figure out good food sources on a low carb animal based diet.
Thanks, this seems to apply to me. I have measured low serum C and have some symptoms. I will try supplementing now but I'd really love to know if this can be solved completely. I just want to eat meat without supplementing anything.
Kuduku Plumb or Acerola Cherry forms of vitamin C that’s higher than standard Vit C. And a food state source rather than synthetic … Do you know about that or can talk about it?
Would the various offerings of “whole food” vitamin C supplements still work or is AA specifically required for purposes mentioned in this video? Dr Berg and Morley Robinson have some pretty severe criticism of AA saying it actually is only a part of what Vitamin C is and causes a imbalance and depletion. I have many of the issues mentioned in this video but don’t want to harm myself with AA if it’s a problematic but also don’t want to use whole food version if it’s ineffective for the purposes you’ve laid out (it’s also way more expensive to take at 1-3g).
I also thought Vitamin C was a complex, ascorbic acid being only 1 part of the complex.
Seems we can’t get an answer to this.,
Elliot, my understanding is that ascorbic acid and Vitamin C are not the same thing. This distinction makes a big difference in that the body really needs real Vitamin C, rather than the ascorbic acid. Can you comment on this please.
Wouldn’t it be better to do glutathione drips?
Well, I use ascorbic acid - it works well at raising "plasma vitamin C", and it also works well at resolving issues like I discussed in the video.
@@down2earth716 Ascorbic Acid is Vitamin C. It is metabolized into oxalic acid, a potentially lethal toxin that causes oxalate nephropathy (calcium stones in the kidneys), when dangerous levels are in serum. Supplementation with 3-6 grams per day is frequently lethal if carried out for an extended time period.
Sadrien thank you.
@@sadrien BS!
Thanks for the video, Elliot. How similar is Quercetin to Vitamin C?
Do you have any recommendations for a good brand of vitamin C and a B complex supplement.
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as long as it is from natural origin and not synthetic it'll be fine.
@@jakobsheep What are some brands that are natural origin?
@@sannamuh985 Acerola Cherry by British Supplements I have heard I’d good. I just bought some Kakadu Plumb too
I started taking vit c 250mg 4x/day and my histamine issues are way better but now I’m having joint pain for the first time.
Any updates on findings of vit c and oxolates Elliot or any others?
Maybe it’s unrelated but it’s concerning.
How are you now? Were you not taking to high a dose?
When do you think it's best to take a vitamin C supplement, i.e. with food, in-between, or on an empty stomach, etc? And how many times per day? I'm asking mainly because some people worry about iron overload on the carnivore diet, and taking vitamin C with red meat supposedly increases iron absorption.
Well carnivores should eat some lemons if they don't like sugar. And what veggies? Cauliflower?
Something is missing.. I have been a conivore for over a year and my teeth "issues" have improved immensely. Sleep, energy, thinking and many other functions have improved. So did you ask these conivores what they are eating? If they are not getting enough red meat ... than I could see them getting issues.
I eat primarily beef, moose🫎, elk, caribou and buffalo 🦬. I only eat chicken and pork maybe once a week. Also how many eggs are they eating .. a minimum of 6 per day for me. I do not take any supplements. I think the conivores you are talking about do not eat properly.
Micronutrient requirements can vary widely from person to person, based on their environment, their genetics, and their health status. The people laid out in this video were not doing it "wrong". If it works for you, thats great.
The point was that their health condition (and whatever other environmental influences) increased their demand for/turnover of vitamin C.
Can anyone recommend a strict carnivore- friendly Vitamin C supplement (capsule or pill form preferably please)? I live in the US. Thanks! 😊
Great video Elliot! Would vit C be recommended for Reflux and bloating cases in carnivore?
What about Ascorbyl Palmitate???
Vitamin C increases oxalates so what do you do if you have high oxalates?
Hi Elliot. Do you continue to see patients having positive benefits of adding ascorbic acid?
Good video. I have addison's disease 34 years. Now that I have retired I've
slowed down. Been on the corinvor diet and Ive had the same problem of low energy. I'm taking the vitamin c &d. Better but still lagging
How are you now? Were you taking Thiamine and K2 with your D3?
Thanks so much for this. I went on Carnivore for six months and developed sub clinical vitamin C deficiency. I am currently supplimenting with powdered rose hip. Is there a better vitamin C that you'd recommend? I heard ascorbic acid can actually deplete vitamin C.
Did you find out? I’m taking Acerola Cherry and Kakadu Plumb which is supposed to be the world highest natural form of Vit C
@@helenalovelock1030 I hear different viewpoints from many health practitioners. To be on the safe side I use a complex of ascorbic acid and citrus bioflavonoids by Now. It's helping me synthesize protein onto muscle and diminish broken blood vessels. It's early days so far.
@@saveyourselves5923 so a bit of both Absorbic acid and Natural?
@@helenalovelock1030 Yes. It's too early to say whether it's helping or not. Hopefully it's not doing the opposite!
Try lemon. A classic ‘tonic’ for improving gut health and keeping acid levels proper in the stomach is early morning drink of water with apple cider vinegar and lemon juice. I am currently trying lemon juice in my bone broth.
Hi Elliot! Could you tell me please if the synthetic version of Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is harmful to the body? I just bought it from a legitimate source and it doesn't seem to harm me at all. I feel pretty good taking it. On the other hand, is the synthetic version of vitamin C harmful to the body? Thanks.
P.S: I take 4 grams of it every single day.
I've stumbled upon an article about Vitamin C. It mentioned, "Vitamin C is not created in a laboratory, and our bodies reject synthetic ascorbic acid as a toxin.". Is that true?
This is a very late response I guess but maybe someone else may read it.
Industrial ascorbic acid is produced by bacteria via fermentation process of different sugars (so its not "synthetic" to begin with). Hence why the results isn't a racemate or some complex mixture but 100% of L-ascorbic acid that's very bioavaliable. All medical research related to vitamin C since 20 century was based on pharmaceutical grade ascorbic acid and not some sort of "rosehip powder" or "acerola extract". "Natural vitamin C" is sort of a scam because while there is some truth in things that those people say (extra bioflavonoids and factors from fruits are synergetic with vitamin C and can reinforce vitamin C effects but it performs on its own without them as well) its mostly for profits.
I think price difference between cheap ascrobic acid or sodium acorbate and "natural" vitamin C is just silly and even it being slightly better just doesn't justify 10 times difference. If you're concerned about poor absorption just split the dose as much as you can because vitamin C has short half-life in your body and excess is extracted very quickly
@@JackDisturber Have you looked into Liposomal Vitamin C
Ok. You convinced me to try it. Diarrhea for years now, not better after 2 years of carniovore. So your recommendation is 1-2g/ day splitted ?
For those who can't tolerate ascorbic acid . is liposomal vitamin c ok ?
in the first two cases was absorbic acid also used?
Decided to try vit C, started today 1g divided into 3 portions of ascorbic acid per day.
On carnivore 9 months, f 48, puffy eyes, low energy, still gut issues, no bleeding gums, histamine sensitivity, skin itchiness, easy bruising.
Thanks for all your help🌹
Let me know if it helps! May need to go up to 3-4g initially if you see no benefit at 1g
@@EONutrition 4 grams per day is roughly the lethal dosage over a period of 2 months...
@@sadrien LOL! and on what planet did you read that! Just like magnesium, the body uses what it needs and excretes the excess.
@@kwagnert You will die from electrolyte poisonings as well if you chronically over dose them, potassium in particular being quite dangerous -- potassium supplements have been made illegal in many countries...
twitter.com/Sadrien_GW2/status/1224153387408642049
That tweet lists several studies that conclude vitamin C oral and IV therapy is dangerous and potentially lethal even in those with healthy kidney function because it causes oxalate nephropathy particularly when combined with high oxalate foods.
@Dolly Madeson Mind if I ask whether or not you have been getting kidney stones?
great stuff, thank you!
Hey, Elliot, have you got any reliable pointers to a good clean source of powdered ascorbic acid? I was using this cheap Holland & Barrett stuff which I assumed was of dubious origin but seemed to be doing the business, and I thought it would probably be a good idea to upgrade to a specified 'non-GMO' brand, which I did do, but that one doesn't seem to be doing much. I'm confused!
Basically.. it would be a good idea for me to add some vit c supplements and see how I feel 🤔🤔🤔
I think I would greatly benefit cos my sensitivity to a variety of things (and also cos I'm not super strict but I mean a small bite of a small chocolate made my tongue get a couple of pimples) point is my flare ups are usually pimples, foliculitis flare up.. I avoid maize meal, and almost all carbs in general.
Once I'm better I'm gna eat half a apple to test my body on its response to the useless fructose.
How much Vit C shall one take? Is liposomial Vit C best?
Is food source Vit C better?
I’m on carnivore and keep some magnesium, potassium, and vitamin C supplements in the medicine cabinet, just in case.
Did you saw any results?
powder, pill, or liposomal vitamin c doesn't matter?
Is it true that Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) gets converted to oxalate acid in our body?
You fuckin genius. Thx for your work 💪💪💪😍
What about lemon 🍋 juice?
Thank you for presenting this information. It is a good thing not to adhere to any dietary dogmas no matter where they originate.....could mean all the difference for some. Thanks
Is there any risk to an individual who is taking a Vitamin C supplement who may be getting enough in their diet but is unsure so is supplementing? What happens when you have too much vitamin C?
Dear Doctor
Thanks for this nice video
I have a Vague autoimmune disorder symptoms
Although all laboratory tests for autoimmune Disorders are (Negative)
* Primary Sclerosing cholangitis with liver Cirrhosis 29%
Severe digestive disorder
Dry mucous membranes, eyes, mouth
Dry skin with oily sweat
Dry hair and falling
Severe Muscle wasting
What is your recommendation
Thanks in advance
Has Sjogren's been ruled out? If you have negative blood tests for antibodies you need to look into a biopsy of the salivary glands. Not all rheumatologists are knowledgeable about Sjogren's though.
Maybe all we need to consume is Vitamin C then, if being on a Carnivore diet causes all those issues, and Vitamin C fixes them and gives you all these benefits, lets all go back to eating high Vitaminc C foods such as Fruit and Veg and not meat?
People cut out the fruits & veg because they cause the problems such as inflammation and gut issues, and they find that meat is very healing & necessary, lol.
There is a difference between vitamin c from natural source and synthetic vitamin c? Some doctors say that synthetic vitamin c is more harmful than good
It is based on a Finnish double blinded clinical trial involving cancer patients with vitC isolate and placebo. Life expectancy on the placebo was much higher not just statistically. So, most times at least in my country pharmacists suggest vitC complex, but super expensive! I rely heavily on my lemon tree in my balcony for my vitC. I feel like even a little bit on top of my grilled protein is enough. But that's how I feel, others might need more or less than I do.
Do you have a protocol to eliminate individual vitamin deficiencies from possible roots of more non specific problems on carnivore. By that I mean could you take 1-2 grams of Vit C for example for a week and if no positive uptick could you rule out C deficiency? What about other common to CV vitamin and mineral deficiencies you have found somewhat common/
I try not to use specific protocols but rather sit down, go through someones history and all of the symptoms and current health condition. Then, based on that information, I will decide what is the best course of action. Sometimes testing is necessary, other times people cannot afford and we experiment with what I suspect is going on.
Generally, for digestive issues, I have a protocol of things I get people to try, but that can be fluid and changeable sometimes.
In CV the people who are non-responders, or have issues that aren't cleared up are generally related to B vitamin issues - particularly thiamine, biotin, and riboflavin. Can also be problems with low copper/high copper, iron, and some of the other minerals. It depends on each person really
Why not just a bit of lemon juice to your meat? Your vitamin c requirement on carnivore still is much lower than on the standard diet and a bit of lemon juice and zest can add not only vitamin c but also a bit of variety
Could the guy who was eating raw start eating cooked meat without issues?
It is still early days - as that was a recent case. We will see - and I hope so!
Thank you for the info, but I think carnivore means raw meats not cooked. Perhaps a new word is needed for cooked meat diet
I'm 23 months into my carnivore path and have just ordered Ascorbyl Palmitate, a very bioavailable fat-soluble version of vitamin C.
Anyone have any experience with or info on Ascorbyl Palmitate?
Can this high vitamin c concentration cause kidney stones ?
Other than vit d there is vit s in the sun heat .it is best antiinflammatory ,best antioxidant and collagen production .so vit S or sun vit or Somali vitamin .it is discovered by me
been taking acerola cherry powder and my gums grew down over night
Why use ascorbic acid instead of whole food vit c?
Could you please help me with this. I been on a carnivore diet for about two months now. I have alot of swelling in my nose and ears both along with breakouts and bleeding! I sneeze now and than to and itchy in my ears. I have other symptoms to. It calms down when I clear my body of food enema etc. Could this be the same kind of thing you speak of here? I feel pretty much flu like for 2 decades and lately really bad. I been taking the minerals you suggest in some of your videos and find it is helping along with the B 1 and B6 big signs I have seen. Golly I sure wish I could afford some serious help here it sure has been a ride to date trying everything to regain my health. I was into the raw scene for a number of years to but that did not work. Yes I got some relief in symptoms but saw I was declining over time. I would very much appreciate any suggestions.
I was told in a dream a few years back to take V-C
Interesting. I started taking vit C again recently because I noticed that my hands are REALLY red after washing them. Been washing my hands A LOT last few weeks.
Does anyone know if vit C is useful for fighting viruses or the blunting of oxidation might actually be a hindrance?
Thanks again Elliot for the great practical info. I thought people are not developing scurvy on a carnivore diet but oh well, some actually do!
They may not develop "scurvy" in the full-blown sense. But some people certainly develop vitamin C INSUFFICIENCY. Same with other nutrients. It is not necessarily due to the diet in and of itself, but their health status during/before the diet, along with environmental influences etc.
Can someone get an autoimmune reaction to vitamin c powder?
I have been told that because ascorbic acid is man made it should be not be taken … but take natural plant based vit c which is what I have been doing … but after hearing several videos here, I am switching!
not sure about this , it has not been my experience nor people i know
The term "carnivore" means nothing when it comes to what people actually eat. Many "carnivores" are still consuming significant carbs(>50g), from sources that don't include VitC, that they do actually become deficient. This is not because meat doesn't have enough, but due to those added carbs competing with the VitC for access into the cells. For someone who likes to be specific, i wish you were more specific regarding this!
Thank you for your channel and the info you've been releasing!
In case it helps someone out there, there are presently many forms of Vitamin C being sold. Some have significant advantages and disadvantages based on one's condition(s). They are:
1. Ascorbic Acid
2. Ascorbate and Vitamin C Metabolites
3. Vitamin C with Bioflavonoids
4. Liposomal Vitamin C
5. Ascorbyl Palmitate
6. Vitamin C with Rose Hips
7. Sodium Ascorbate
8. Calcium Ascorbate
9. Magnesium Ascorbate
If you are getting acid reflux and bowel intolerance with one form, try a form WITHOUT Ascorbic ACID.
For those of you concerned about Oxalates, you might wanna check this video out next, and fast forward to the end if you need to save time:
ruclips.net/video/eH9llWp0ixs/видео.html