Axle Back vs Cat Back Exhaust System - Summit Racing 101
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- Опубликовано: 12 дек 2013
- Which is better, a cat-back or axle-back exhaust system for late model cars and trucks? Dave talks about the differences in the two designs so you can make a better decision on which system is best for your vehicle. One thing to remember with any exhaust modification of late model vehicles is that emissions systems have to stay in place for street driven vehicles according to your local laws. After watching, which exhaust system did you decide to go with, axle-back or cat-back.
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Could I make an axle back sound like a catback? For example, if I go with a Corsa Extreme axle back, but I get Corsa mid pipes would it be the same?
I have a 2018 Subaru forester XT, One of the first things I want to do is to make it sounds a little faster but not overwhelming so I was thinking about the Axelback. Will this effect anything in the long term with this car or is this a pretty risk free change.
I had a flowmaste super 10 put on my Avalon I then a moth o so later had the muffler shop delete my stock resonator ! the sound differences between the two modifications were night and day! when I had the super ten put on the sound was way better very raspy and had a slight growl to it well as much of a growl a 3.0 liter v6 can make with only a muffler swap! then I had the resonator deleted and thesound got even louder and at idle I got even more rumble then I did with just a flowmaster on! however I'm a lil confused after watching this video when I heard a cat back system also has bigger piping! if I don't have this bigger piping should have it installed?
I have a BMW 125i 2009 and wanted to improve my performance and enhance the sound quality as well, what do you recommend I buy ? And what products are good quality ?
I purchased some DYNOMAX RACE MINI BULLETS MUFFLERS FOR MY 2017 DODGE CHARGER RT WITH ACTIVE EXHAUST I CURRENTLY HAVE STRAIGHT PIPE SO WHERE SHOULD I PUT THE MINI RACE BULLETS WHERE THE MID MUFFLERS WAS OR WHERE THE RESONATORS WHERE?
Do you think the slp loumouth exhaust II is a good choice for a 2012 dodge challenger R/T do you have any recommendations?
Hi my car charger 14 5.7 im going to get new cat back what the best size 2.5 or3 inches ?
I have a veloster turbo, i put a cold air intake k&n, which is better for my car? Axle back or cat back?
I have a straight pipe to my oem muffler, is it necessary for a whole exhaust system or just axle back?. /
which exhaust system offers greater HP and Torque increase? I don't have to worry about emission laws, would header-back straight pipe to mufflers give the best HP and Torque gains (with a tune)? Car is an 09 Challenger SRT8 6.1.
I have a 2018 jaguar F type 4.02 cylinder looking at upgrade the exhaust system what would you recommend a cat bat
Nice concise and informative video. Well done.
Gary J. Rentschler, Thank you!
if i get an axle back for my wrx without a muffler is it CA legal
If I already have an aftermarket axleback, and I want to upgrade the next part of the exhaust system, would I just get midpipes?
My piping is 2.25. The aftermarket axle back and the headers are the same diameter. I just removed the stock resonator for a magnaflow.
Does it sound better
what do you suggest for jeep srt
Thanks for the video. I have a 2011 Camaro V6 and love it. But I've been looking at adding a performance exhaust system. You said if your vehicle already has a good exhaust system with good flow (some do you said) then the Axle Back system would work fine. My question is: how do I know if the stock exhaust system in my Camaro is one with good less restricted flow?
I just had a Borla cat back installed on my Mustang V-6. It not only gave me a better sound, but also made the engine come alive with more power in my opinion--without benefit of a dyno. The stock exhaust looks Mickey Mouse compared to the Borla.
@@AStanton1966 borla so loud/raspy I like magnaflow has deeper tones
@@definitionXrp The magnaflows do sound nice. I put a Borla cat-back S-type on my Silverado and am very happy with its sound. I got a compliment or two on it. I'm with you, I don't like raspy or loud.
great video thank you
Hi ahstvnsn,
Thank you! Please let us know if you have any questions.
I have mustang 2018 ecoboost premium model. I have modes like silent, track,etc. By installing cat back or axel back will affect those modes?
Yes, the exhaust will enhance and increase sound levels on all modes. Thanks for watching!
What about a turbo back exhaust system?
its the only set up thats worth it in my opinion
Does the "catback" exhaust include the x pipe for the 335i or would that be a separate part of the exhaust? I'm trying to go full catless. Catless midpipes and catless x pipe with mufflers but I'm wondering if the x pipe is included in a catback
Chutie ,
We are sorry to say that we do not have a kit available for your car at this time. Good luck!
what would be a great exhaust system for 09 Infiniti g37x sedan? and I am thinking of installing cold air intake.
would you recommend Axle back or cat back?
Thanks in Advance.
FlamboyantChamp hey man what did you decide
I just want my car to sound loud which would be the better option ?
I want to do a few upgrade on my 2000 bmw 323ci and iask a few people for advice and they said not to mess with converter because in NY you have to pass emission test is there a way to improve performance and still be good for emission test thank you.
Hi Edson Eli,
Late model cars are already equipped with high flow style (honeycomb) catalytic converters from the factory. But, sometimes there is room for improvement. Unfortunately, we do not show anything to fit your 323CI, sorry!
Hi I have a 2013 Hyundai veloster 1.6 DCT and i wanted to upgrade my exhaust system, which one should be better between the 2, axle-back or cat-back, I would appreciate the help
Hi Ivan Rojas,
A cat-back system may give you a little more power but if you are not racing the car and just looking for a different sound, a rear section or axle back kit will work great!
Hi , can you give me any suggestion on BMW Z4 35i , I am confused, I need a wild loud sound , should I go with a catback or axle back? , will the axle back be enough? if yes, which one would you recommend ?
Hi Mehul,
Can you please give us a call? 1-800-230-3030. We need some additional information/clarification from you. Thanks for watching!
Hi I just bought a 2014 Chevy camaro ss and was wondering what would be the best parts for performance to add more hp?
babywells87,
Generally the first three things to add power to most any vehicle are a Cold Air Intake, a Computer Programmer and an Exhaust System. Horsepower gains vary per vehicle but are most times advertised by the vendor that makes the part.
I have a 2009 tsx (stock dual exhaust)how would i know if its a free flowing exhaust system. And which is better for it a cat-back or axleback. (Note: I plan to install headers and CAI, maybe a throttle body spacer as well?
+Lzz Irie,
Well, technically speaking, it would be necessary to install a pressure gauge in the exhaust system and observe what the highest pressure reading is at wide open throttle. Then, the gauge would have to be moved to other points in the system in order to identify the part causing the high pressure reading. If it is the muffler, replace it using one of a free flowing design and retest. If it is the Catalytic converter, replace it using one of a free flowing design and retest.
As you can see this is a lot of work and expense. This is the reason why most people just choose from the available cat-back exhaust systems on the market and trust that it will help them achieve their desired goal! Don’t forget to re-tune your computer after all these mods!
I have a 1994 Mazda B4000 that has the stock exhaust on it at the moment. Would you recommend this as a good system to put on if I'm looking for an area sick yet low toned sound?
John Smith,
We need some additional information from you. Can you give our tech line a call? 1-330-630-0240. Thanks!
What we'll be a good cat back exhaust system for a 2015 ss camaro with a L99 ? And is drone free !!!
+Joey ? ,
Corsa Performance offers a few systems for the Camaro from mild to wild and ALL claim “drone-free” operation. Give us a call, we can get you set up! 1-800-230-3030
i bought recently a 2014 v6 camaro. i couldn't really afford a SS at the time being so bought the v6. my question though is now i want to increase its performance. which should i get the axle back or cat back and also any other recommendations? thanks! and great videos
Marcos Vazquez, An axle back system can be installed with no adverse effects to anything. But when considering a cat back and other mods such as air intakes or headers you will have to have the PCM retuned because of the added airflow. Otherwise, you may actually hurt your performance rather than help it.
Do you have a catback exhaust and header or manifold for a 2013 2.5 altima sedan?
+ktak ,
I am sorry to say we do not have a cat-back exhaust system available for your vehicle.
Hey guys, since you seem to actually read comments... I own a 2007 Wrangler Unlimited X and I'm looking into the Magnaflow 15160 (Black series Axle Back). I believe the entire exhaust is currently stock; Would it be necessary to replace the intermediate pipe as well?
+Dalton9087,
It should not be necessary to replace the intermediate pipe unless heavily corroded and you think it may be compromised during the install of the muffler kit.
I'm not a car guy but this helps me understand the two..
Just bought a 2015 Ford Mustang GT 5.0. The FORD dealer is recommending I do an Axle Back vs a Cat Back. In addition they are recommending an Air Raid dry kit and a SCT Tuner to get more performance and there telling me 35 to 40 more HP. Thoughts?
Pete McDonald,
Yes, this is possible providing the SCT tuner has a custom program matching the upgraded mufflers and air intake.
Here I hear a turboback /downpipe mod is the only time you'd ever need a tune, from what i've read there are no sensors from the catalytic converter - back so there is no need to tune these mods. Im part of a wrx forum and most people running catbacks never tune their engine. The only time a tune is needed is when airflow is disturbed, and air input into the engine occurs at both the air intake and the turbo, increased airflow without modifying the air to fuel ratio will make the car run lean but this is generally not an issue you'd get from a catback, changing the pipes from the turbo - back would require a tune as the airflow is directly connected to the turbo and replaces the normal downpipe, catback wouldn't because the airflow has already gone past the engine and is just there to be vented out the exhaust, as for back pressure, I have no idea how much a catback would effect it, but I'd assume the more curves in a pipe the more back pressure
Maybe catbacks aren't an issue on turbocharged vehicles ? Dunno bout naturally aspirated cars but I've seen plenty of cars with catbacks/axle backs with no tune
What is louder, cat back or axel?
Great vid. I just had axle back Flowmaster super 44 installed in my 2013 Camaro 2ss. Muffler shop said my stock pipes were good and it would be a waste of money to do cat back. It made some sense at the time but now I'm not so sure. I wanted it louder. He talked me out of the super 10 series. Any thoughts?
Hi Perry Wisdom,
Installation of a true cat back system would have allowed more sound than just an axle back because of the removal of the central muffler/resonator and the addition of larger pipes that factory. Also, more power will be realized especially with the addition of computer programming!
like do u mean axle back system is not loud cuz im planning to buy one for my ford edge v6 2013
Thanks for the info, I have a honda accord 2011, i4 coupe. I was wondering what would be the steps to converting my single exhaust axle back to a custom magnaflow dual exhaust cat back. It has a cut out for a dual exhaust already. I have already bought the tips and muffler.
Hi Eric,
You’ll need to find a local shop that bends custom exhaust systems. Good luck!
My truck has both is that fine?
06 dodge dakota v8magnum 4.7L
Hi 1silentwar,
Can you give our tech line a call? We have a few questions for you. 1-330-630-0240. Thanks!
If I just change out my stock muffler for say a flow master muffler
Will it give me a deeper aggressive tone?
I drive a 2011 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7L HEMI
+Gary Duren,
Yes!
witch one would be better for a stock scion tc 2005
+mario gomez,
Both work well depending on your horsepower goal. An axle back kit is a good choice when no tuning will be performed on the computer!
Hi, i wana get a catback for my honda accord 2013 v6 touring. Any recommendations?
Hi Viatcheslav,
Have you watched any other RUclips videos with other vehicles similar to yours with an aftermarket exhaust system already installed? We suggest researching different types of exhaust systems to get an idea of sound and performance features that are important to you.
I'm looking for the same .. what did. U do ?
I have a new 2015 mustang ecoboost. Will installing a cutback effect the fuel economy on it? Does it need any type of tuning done?
+Ro ger,
Yes, by reducing restriction in the exhaust of any turbo car they will spool up faster and gain some power and efficiency while cruising. All this is best if accompanied by a programmer!
+Summit Racing Thanks a lot! But is it necessary to tune it or can i just put on the exhaust?
Is the cat back exhaust the best way to increase power. Or there's another one that's better than a catback
in terms of exhaust yeah, best way legally. if you're looking for just HP increase exhaust will be minute compared to a good engine tune or replacing under the hood parts
I have a 2018 JK Jeep Wrangler. I want to get a new exhaust system but cant decide between axle back and cat back. My main question is, will I get any performance and mileage gains from a cat back? Because if not much I'd rather save some cash and get an axle back..
Which would provide a better horsepower boost, a cat back or axle back?
It depends on the application.
Can I turn a axle back into a catback? I want to add a downpipe to my set up
Hi Brad,
Can you give our tech line a call? 1-330-630-0240.
Thanks!
As for the sound is there ang difference?
*any
Will installing an axle back add more hp or the cat back?
Hi Joel Najera,
Give our tech department a call at 1-330-630-0240. Thank you for watching!
Wat about just a universal muffler like a apexi muffler will u have to weld on car?
Hi Jesse, we would need to know what specs you need for your application.
Summit Racing my car is a civic ex 97 5 speed and just for now I wanted a apexi muffler the inlet is 2.5 will it fit my car and or will I need to take to shop? Thanks!
Cat Back may give you a little bit of HP. But its not the reason you should go with Cat back. Headers are what really gains HP as it helps your engine breath.
so why not go with the down pipe and the cat back
@@wavyant1504 do both.
Will a Cat Back exhaust void my warranty?
They generally do not affect the warranty, but I always recommend checking with the dealership to be safe. Thanks for watching!
About how much horse power would a cat back exhaust system add on a 2.4 dart.?
Would make it a butt dart
Just put a fart can on it ,that's good for 100 hp 😂
At most, 3-4 without a Cold Air Intake and Tune 6-7 with a Cold Air Intake and Tune. If its the Turbo version, 4-5 without CAI and Tune, 7-8 with CAI and Tune
so i have a suzuki sedan i want to get some gains a cat back will work better
Will i need a tune after any axle back or catback exhaust ?
You dint need a tune with a axleback
I have a 2003 ACURA RSX base model. What exhaust system do you recommend?
Philip Kwon straight pipe it
Pablo Solis no wtf
Does it need programming after installing?
I would first change the air filter for a K&N sport so the air intake is equivalent to the exhaustion. If you program it, the car will change completely and add much more power but its not mandatory.
@@gabrielvaz2461 Hey, I have a 2014 honda accord sport and I am looking to mod it out and improve its performance. What should I do first? I'm planning to get an catback/axleback exhaust and probably a Ktuner. Looking for some help and advice.
David Sanchez Yo, sorry for the late reply. First thing in my opinion is the airfilter. If its in your budget I would buy a conic air filter and replacing the original inbox one. K&N is the best brand btw. Later remove your catalyst and install a downpipe. From now on do whatever you want and its ready for it.
Can an axle back system give you better sound?
Well yes this is the purpose of an exhaust, from a point besides performance.
Are catback exhausts legal in California?
+Eric Hengesbach,
Exhaust mods after the catalytic converters should not be a problem but, it is always best to ask your local law enforcement for the best clarification.
Will you still get louder sound by doing just an axle back
Austin Jones, Yes, the internal construction of an aftermarket muffler is much different than the factory mufflers. It will flow better and sound better too!
Thank you
What about the myths on cold air intakes and make your own cold air intakes due to no available for a particular vehicle
Hi Royrockbrain,
Can you give our tech department a call? 1-330-630-0240. Thanks for watching!
For a cat back do you need to remove the converter??
Hi Juan, No, it connects to the back of the converter or converter pipe.
Is there any way you guys can post how an axle-back sounds? I'm thinking of getting it for my Hyundai Veloster Turbo and just wanted to hear it before moving ahead !
Hi Cesar Gomez,
Exhaust systems sound different on depending on the applications and previous modifications. Your best bet would be to search on RUclips for others who have modified their exhaust system on a Hyundai Veloster Turbo. Let us know if you have any additional questions. Thanks for watching!
it's hard to find a good cat back with the sound I desire I want mine to sound loud deep and aggressive all in one Apexi cat back exhaust system doesn't seem loud and deep enough
So get a Subaru
whats best for a 2013 subaru legacy 2.5i premium?
+Pandaz4LifeZ PandaMasta ,
We are sorry to say, at this time we do not have anything available for your vehicle.
Thanks for watching!
which exhaust system offers a larger HP and torque increase?
Hi James,
What is the year, make and model of your vehicle?
I don't yet own one but I have the budget andsolid plan to purchase a 2017 Challenger HellCat of course I would be crazy to not want the 18 Demon and although I could afford it I'm not that crazy. LMFAO
Ive got a 11' G37xS Sedan and I can tell this stock exhaust is restricting the power of the engine....wouldn't axle back be a waste in this case ?? I do believe that the G needs to "breathe"....cat back is the way to go, right ?
Hi NYYankzz,
Most exhaust restriction today comes from the OE mufflers. If you are only doing minor upgrades (cold air intake & programmer) to your car, an axle back will work well. If you are digging a little deeper and replacing heads & cam, then a cat-back would be a better choice.
Summit Racing Thanks for the reply!! =)
To save your money just buy a cat back exhaust then you will know for sure that you are having the best exhaust flow that's legal
but cat backs cant backfire sooooo, ill go with a axle
Haven't scrolled through the comments. Gonna ask anyway. What effect is the diameter of the pipe on the cat backs gonna mean as far as the car computer? Dyno tune to get it right? Or is it just another my d**ck's bigger than yours thing that's gonna cause your car to run like shit down the road like some other mods that come to mind?
poor. axl back
still poor working 100+ hrs. catback
What a bunch of gibberish.
are you 6?
Do you think the slp loumouth exhaust II is a good choice for a 2012 dodge challenger R/T do you have any recommendations?
Hi Chito Sandoval,
From a horsepower point of view you would have to dyno any and all systems that interest you for your car to see which one produces the most power or, take the manufacturers word for it in the results they saw if they dyno tested it themselves. Now, if you are interested in just sound, research the web and or car shows to hear the different systems that are on the market and choose the one that sounds the most attractive to you. Some manufacturers even put sound bytes on their websites so you can hear their systems!