Yea but we should still shun that companies need to be givin us finished games on release (I have hundreds of hours on cyberpunk one of my favorite games of all time I’m just sayin)
@@user-zp8kj2cl9gedgerunners do help with sales because it does have appeal to a certain market, but ultimately patch 2.1 and phantom liberty what finally makes cyberpunk playable and able to regain trust to consumers
I'm guessing the final update will be New Game +. Inventory, money, level, stash, vehicles, etc can carry over. Start all over again but with different choices. Completing New Game + will unveil a secret cutscene that hints to CyberPunk sequel and have the internet relevance again.
Not to ruin the vibes or anything, but I think you’re getting your hopes WAY too high. I truly believe that if they were planning on making NG+, it would have come out already. It’s way too big of a feature to release with a smaller patch, and obviously, we know we’re not getting Patch 3.0
Some things I would like to see in future updates: -Vehicle paint shops -Customizable clothing -Cybernetic body appearance options (limbs, skin, etc.) -More quickhacks -BD recording
If we dont get any more DLCs. I would atleast enjoy it if the Devs could just add really strong Enemy's to abandoned places. Like the mines, Bandit Camps, there are like 2 or 3 abandoned bunkers. Also, just copy-paste some Cyberpsycos with different paint jobs and replace them in different empty places. There are really a lot of them. Also, it would be just Crazy if we could get the Casino outside of the map added and possible to visit. Make it a 10$ DlC, Resident evil did the same.
@@yusufmagedy5366 or actually more expansion on the romance of the game. should have like the bare minimum like being able to hang out with your partners or taking them on missions.
Just my opinion, but I actually think it does fairly well with immersion, though I understand the sentiment completely. My gripe is the "illusion of choice" factor it has, where the majority of choices in the game have no actual impact beyond a line or two of dialogue. I hope for more missions like "The Pickup" in the early game, where there are multiple branches that are vastly different, with different possible rewards, etc, and each route has effects on later missions in the game depending on how you handled it.
@nibsj2887 i feel like it doesn't really need it. it would be cool to see the character in action but if the third person mechanics would be anything like in wither 3 i say focus on first person mode only
I wish we had gotten all 3 DLC, I loved every square meter of Cyberpunk 2077 and Phantom Liberty, I would have happily paid another £100 for the missing 2 DLC.
And people like you are the reason why releasing broken piles of manure works so well short to medium term. You'll forgive and buy their dlc over and over with no issue. They ditched content and cut content just to offer it to us afterwards...And all because they released a mess from the start.
@@randomyoutubecommentersecu7639Phantom Liberty was never a planned part of the game, you don't even see any parts of Phantom Liberty in any of Cyberpunk's trailers prior to the main game release. Other than that every other piece of new/ditched/cut content that made it into the game were just updates that costed no money. They dropped the other two game expansions simply because they don't want to funnel any more money into 2077 specifically. So unless you got some insider information going on, what you said is entirely mute here.
@@thisislame2207bro he is right, we should never forget what CDPR did, NEVER not them not any other game company. They work to make money, a product, the product needs to be finished on release, simple as that.
I want one more DLC so bad I seriously am in love with this game so much, it’s literally everything I ever wanted in a cyberpunk game. The world is amazing and reminds me of futurama so much haha
A DLC that will let´s as play the 6 months with Jackie , a DLC that V can become member of MacTac that will unlock a new ending that MacTac will save V something like this after you talk to Melissa Rory you get a call from her V becomes a member of MacTac ( trial member ) new cyberpsychos unlock and new missions with Melissa and at the end in the balcony V can call Melissa she will come take V to MacTac headquarters they will save V and at the end a cutscene with V and Melissa hunting cyberpsychos
A Cyberpunk 2077 themed live action cop show would be so very cool. A team of honest cops (maybe a MaxTac team) trying to serve the people of Night City and uphold the law in a world of so much violence and corruption could be such an interesting concept.
@@ericharbour9254I can appreciate that, it’s such a cool universe that would be entertaining to explore as long as it doesn’t become a distraction or resource drain to CDPR and is done right.
I rather base it on a CyberPsycho. Each episode it’s a different Pyscho- and, we follow each one through beginning till end of the psychosis.. Which will be a way to involve so many different elements of Night City.. Then have Mr Blue Eyes in each episode hidden, just watching.. .. which leads to the conspiracy of certain powerful & wealthy individuals creating those psychos- using them as pieces to forward their own agenda. Usually triggered by a word/image/song…
Waterfall vs Agile I'm a dev (not CDPR employee) and I can tell you this: there's multiple types of Agile development and each house has their own rules, kindda like playing Uno. Hopefully it will turn out ok and their agile 'house rules' are ok. You cannot assume that just because Phantom Liberty turned out ok, Orion will turn out ok as well because they're working agile. The real world does not work out that way. They don't have an existing platform for Orion like they had for Phantom Liberty. (platform = existing vanilla C2077), because they don't have an existing platform, because they are implementing on a brand new engine (for them, they didn't work in UE5 before) things can still go south. Sure, because of Agile, they have more flexibility than with Waterfall, they can turn around and iterate on things that go south, but make no mistake: things can and usually DO go south even with Agile. It's its own can of worms. What I mean by this whole comment, so TLDR: Agile is not the new Jesus Christ, don't automatically think that Agile will solve everything, because it won't. I believe it's better than Waterfall but, again, it's not the new sliced bread, it has its problems as well. Search "problems with waterfall" and "problems with agile", I won't write an entire novel in the comments, thanks!
Right, I’m a PO and agile means so many things in different companies. So I’m big forward projects, we can get stuff out quicker in Agile, but I not think it’ll have an impact on say, an earlier release date for a game.
Given how much a debacle CP2077 and that the original crew that created the engine (Hence why CDPR had to literally abandon all it's plans for Cyberpunk support) ran for the hills as fast as they could... Don't expect much.
This, but also I’ll say that in my experience Agile can actually make things take longer depending on the ‘house rules’ lol It’s basically just a buzzword at this point to me
@@aj0413_ You're not wrong. But universally, in the area of software development, AGILE means you get more productivity out of the same manhour. BDUF doesn't work. No matter who you hire, a human brain is simply an insufficient tool to anticipate every interaction, every emergent property. For something as complex as an open world video game, any complete design is necessarily so low level it's functionally code. And as all code, it has bugs. Which you won't see until you run it. Software has grown to the point where iterative development is not optional anymore, not until we somehow make our brains bigger.
Cyberpunk Orion wishlist: - Improved Role Playing Mechanics (Purchasing more stuff over the internet or through interactive ads, having a back story or character that truly immerses you in the role, more meaningful interactions with factions or individuals based on the role you choose to play). - Flying Cars/Metro System - Dense vertical city with plenty of activities. (At least 40% of buildings should be accessible at all times not just for quests - Clubbing, Casinos, Sports etc). - More quests/activities with side characters (Hiring individuals you come across to be apart of your crew, putting them to use to earn cash, going on missions with them)
One thing I’d of liked in the role playing aspect is the option to join gangs as a street kid, or choose your corp as a corpo, would love to have been able to do a maelstrom psycho/berserker build. Or side with another corp down the line after being betrayed by your initial choice
i definitely would add factions to that, both fixed ones and flexible ones (meaning joining a certain gang means you cant join another gang, but still take a gig from other fixers/companies)
@@LS-tk7hp That would be awesome, based on the gang you choose to join you fight for control over territory and get more gigs and street cred. Or you could infiltrate a gang as a part of another faction's questline. Or even start your own gang, not sure if that would be too complicated but would certainly be dope!
@@ssdd440 exactly! but its important to keep in mind that CDPR likes to go the story way and thats more important for me- while its normal to want the next game to be improved its funny because we take the things the first game delivered for granted even tho its clearly not so they have to do everything they did right with cyberpunk again and then add the stuff youve listed which are the features that are lacking in cyberpunk 2077. im really hyped tho because Unreal Engine 5 is looking mad good and to see a skilled studio like cdpr using it might leave an insane end result to the point where im now more hyped for project orion than anything else, even TES VI (but thats cause bethesdas track record has been nosediving and CDPR actually makes the decisions bethesda shouldve went with a long time ago like abandoning their engine in favor of a more versatile one and by now UE5 is so packed its hard to compete with, or also developing more than one major title at a time i.e. 2 witcher games+project orion+early stages of project hadar vs bethesda with TES VI)
@@oneringtorulethemagicarp7199 It's just assets, It's stuff like the animations and the lighting system that might be tricky, but who knows. Depends on the RED engine whether they can easily port stuff like that. It would help out big time if they didn't have to recreate every single atom. Means getting the game closer to 2027/28 rather than the 2030s.
@@vilenskydmitry San Andreas and GTA5 take place in the same city, GTA5 only expanded on it. If they're trying to expand the existing lore of Cyberpunk, changing the city layout is the worst thing they can do, unless it doesn't take place at the same time
As someone who actually works in the IT industry (specifically development of software), it's actually fairly rare to work purely in an agile method (as much as it is in waterfall). Some things you just can't test at iteration until later, depending on how you work your dependencies etc (your gun example I think is a pretty bad example I think as it is performed in a vacuum, unless you test against many weapons of its type, how do you know if it fires 'too fast' or 'too slow', although you do kinda absolve yourself if you get your customer (say, project manager or product owner) to sign off on it, you can still run into the same issue down the track as the game becomes more feature rich aka complete). It's also much harder to work in agile if you've also never done it before. The best thing about agile though is if some sort of scope change happens (for example, management suddenly decides to develop for primarily the PS8 or something) than you can arguably pivot much easier, but you know... it's still a large amount of work asset wise (and possibly programming in case resource management needs to change). Another issue is that documentation tends to get even worse in Agile methodologies in my experience, but luckily they are using 3rd party software in Unreal, so maybe they won't have to worry about this as much given that ideally Epic has done this much better. I think a better example of Agile development is this: You have an AI controlled Bot in a room that you want to test against the player character. The first iteration is testing that the Bot recognizes the player, the second iteration might be that the bot fires at the player, the third iteration might be that the bot looks for cover from the player, the fourth iteration might be that the bot chooses from cover options, the fifth might be that the bot now has to interact with an active player who is also moving and shooting, the sixth iteration is that there are now two bots against the player, the seventh iteration might be that the two bots share information between each other and so on and so on as the development continues and more optimized code comes online (although the core engine of unreal is pretty well optimized by now; Epic of course do release more versions and I imagine CDPR would have a closer development relationship with them given that perhaps money has probably already exchanged hands with some sort of licensing/support agreement) I guess my point is; Agile is hardly this wondrous mechanism that will automatically make the game more likely to come out on time (or on budget). Software Development is notoriously bad at keeping its own timeframes, whether it's games or anything else of some degree of complexity. I wish them luck though, but honestly I'm not sure I will dive into its sequel given that I was ultimately pretty dissatisfied with the ending(s) of both the game and Phantom Liberty.
@@10secondsrule for architecture, it would be. For some software, it is. For other software, it's perfect. People just make the mistake of thinking it's the only choice for software, and it isn't.
Totally agree. PVP shooting is the absolute antithesis of role playing. They are completely different game styles and do not work together. Especially in a game with so much time dilation. It would be a waste of resources that should be focused on building on what they have, not adding an entirely new experience on top. There are plenty of multiplayer games, go play one of them.
I didn't experience any of the game breaking bugs from OG cyberpunk 2077, but it had a boatload of quirks. I think it's fun that I got to experience the original game and what it became. I thought it was worth the purchase on release, but with how much work and the game they created with the newer updates made it so much better.
@@davideberhardt6150 that is bs. cyberpunk is a big enough and probably well playing enough projct that they would probably drop smaller projects to partake.
I honestly love this game so much. Even with all its faults, glitches, and crashes, i loved it. I can't wait for the sequel, cant wait to see what they'll do.
I dunno. they may add it officially, but it might be a bit too far against the spirit of the games story. (i.e. a low level merc that makes their way to the top). Also, as somebody that has effectively done a ng+ run with mods, the experience wasn't really great. Didn't feel like I was progressing anything. I think a good compromise could be to let you keep your traits points like headhunter, solo, engineer, etc..
In the 90s and 00s, games managed to have FULL single players games WITH a multiplayer option. I just hope CDPR multiplayer doesn't interfere at all with single player, like so many Ubisoft, Rockstar and EA games do - to name a few!
There's good and bad about using servers for multiplayer in a game. Some of the old-school multiplayer games didn't have dedicated multiplayer servers, instead, they had server/client software built into the game so that the person hosting the game would be running the server version of the game and their friends would join their game, and automatically connect to their server, do it this way save the developer in server costs, which mean no excuse to charge players to play the online version of the game. The drawback to the server/client system being built into the game is connection is completely dependent on the host's internet connection, it's also more difficult to ensure players aren't using cheats, but if the host has a good internet connection there wouldn't be as much issue with lag from running the game on a main server and having to keep thousands if not millions of players synced with the game, I run into this issue often in a lot of MMOs where I get lag from the server because though the game is running on my PC it's also running on the main server so what I actually do in my game doesn't count, my inputs are sent to the server, then the server distributes my inputs to everyone else in my session instance, including back to myself and some times the main server gets bogged down doing this for thousands or millions of players, and you get a, "rubber banding effect," where suddenly your character springs back to where they were several seconds ago. I don't recall, "rubber banding," happening much under the client/server old-school method of online multiplayer, but it happens a lot with the main server method. The drawbacks to the old-school client/server method is you can't easily ensure players aren't using cheats, and you can't have as many people in the same session instance, so the game would just be multiplayer not massive multiplayer. I'm working on some game development myself and plan on using the old-school client/server method to not only save myself money on buying expensive gaming servers, but also ensure the game runs smoother for a group of friends who want to play instead of them rubber banding often because of main server lag. Star Trek Online's servers are setup to only allow up to 30 players per session instance and it still lags out often and gets rubber banding all the time.
Thanks for coming in clutch and explaining servers! I used to get that “rubber banding” effect while playing multiplayer games sometimes but couldn’t put together why. An age old problem finally solved
Both “Agile” & “Waterfall” are actually aspects of project management and not specifically gaming development. Agile has many benefits for “getting things done” but if there’s a mistake like issues with the engine or game logic they have to start over again from the beginning
this is honestly one of my favorite video game universes ever! i really hope they keep rolling with it and keep the games coming because i would play them no matter what
Started playing for the first time about 5 weeks ago. Yea.. I’m 180 hours in. I’m basically working two jobs life and cyberpunk 😂 #hooked trying for 100% i have almost everything done except a couple more ncpd calls and the main story… everything else is done and I don’t have a skill stat below 50 of 60 😂
I wouldn't read too much into Waterfall vs. Agile. No one actually practices Agile as it's written and most often turns back into Waterfall anyway. Tell any Producer that any studio practices Agile and they'll give you a knowing smirk.
Yeah, they may keep bits and pieces of the process, but I doubt they stick with an agile approach. Changing operations usually ends up in a revert back to old ways but with a combination of what was attempted.
That's just new writers being added, KOTOR was a really well made story for how old it is. At the very least they have Mike to talk to derictly for whatever project they make in the future
@@rouge-gsd3061 The writer is from the MMO Star Wars: The Old Republic, not from the older Knights of the Old Republic. Easily made mistake though. SWTOR had good writing in a lot of places (Especially the stuff it launched with), but I haven't looked into what they were actually responsible for.
@@orbit1894 that's not how the writer profession works! Writers get hired by companies on single project basis. A project is finished, they move on to other things ... the original writers simply might not be available right now.
My biggest wish is that they add better movement and alow us to use the monowire to swign or grapple around. Mantis blades used to climb on walls . Gorilla arms to trow barrels on enemies or too launch yourself
Should be easy to do in the sequel, even giving us third person this time now that it's in Unreal Engine 5. 2077 itself would have gotten way more support if not for them ditching their engine.
Hi im from the cybermp discord and i was there on the alpha testing. If you wish to see about 2 hours footage about the alpha testing we had its in my channel.... Do not expect exactly a perfect recording due to youtubes compression but its going to be there. We had an amazing time testing the mod and a few things have been fixed since that. And things are going to be even better in the future.
This is the most likely matter of Microshaft and SQNY allowing these. From CDPR's point of view it's probably just matter of rebuilding the game executable as I am sure the Cyberpunk devs also use game mods made by the community (for game development and testing) and such feature is already available in developer builds, which can't be released to the console's app store.
@@pikachulovesketchup666 for me it's just annoying that Skyrim has mods on console since this proves it can be done and now I just want it for every game😭
Then tell Sony stop being donkeys and allow mods to consoles like Microsoft did with Skyrim, fallout 4. But I highly doubt, they'll do it unless it brings them some kind of money. Remember we had to kick and scream at Sony to allow cross play? When fortnight first came out I do. It's literally 2 lines of code, when most games already support it. Sony acted it was going to be the end of the world.
It's hard to imagine anyone doing a project much larger than "Hello World!" with waterfall nowadays. Agile gets something minimally functional in alpha much more quickly and then tests the product as more functionality is being developed. That allows them to quickly discard ideas or functionality that doesn't work or isn't right for the game. It also lets them build a large suite of automated tests that cover every past issue the game had so they can quickly confirm they did not re-introduce a problem they thought was cured, or break existing infrastructure. That allows game testers to concentrate on the new content and functionality which is being added at each iteration of the agile development cycle. The bottom line is developers and testers can work in manageable sized chunks so less fall through the cracks, and there will be far fewer zero-day code bugs and other issues. Assuming agile is done right. Like anything else, you can screw it up.
Creation Kit* and yeah, it was a mini engine for modders. It's the best mod support you can get, nothing comes close to it and is rarely seen in the industry. CDPR might deliver that someday.
It's 50/50, Poland devs are working on Witcher 4 while new studio in Boston will be working on CP sequels. I'd imagine they will be trying to launch both games around the same time, you get two billion dollar launches in one year that will set you up for a while.
@@TizerisT. They said that's what they want to do. That's why they are splitting the work into two separate studios. Orion is in conceptual phase and Polaris is in pre-production, that is not that far apart in development. I bet they will release within a year of each other.
Gave cyberpunk a try after everything got fixed im now on my 3rd playthrough im in love witu this game it has a certain aspect like fallout 4/skyrim did where its addicting to just keep coming back too
I want your cyberware to actually impact your look more than slightly changing your arms - if I have reinforced tendons I want my legs to be different than Leroy's Ligaments. Let me go full Malestrom and replace my eyes with their crazy 3 lens set up, etc
the “we are still looking at this game and things might change” is lowkey such a good sign, because they said they were done with Witcher 3 updates and not so long ago they released that bigass patch that not only added new settings for next gen but some new weapons, armor and quests.
I wish they would just keep more releasing DLC. I would pay for a pack of new missions combined with new game+, and increased level cap. Don’t even need new additions to the city. Seriously, CDPR shut up and take my money! Give us more cyberpunk!
Agreed. People aren’t thinking straight. Imagine 2-3 years minimum before next witcher game, prolly 2026/2027. Then 2 giant dlcs for that, and then a year after the last before next cyberpunk. 2029 earliest
I hope that's not true, I'd like to imagine since cyberpunk 2077 is already massive, they reuse some assets, at least the ones that aren't unique to the world itself like roads or trees etc, also since this isn't a new game concept maybe their experience and comprehensive game design language will ease or speed up development. It shouldn't take 6 years to make the sequel that's just inhumane.
@@aneural Unfortunately, because they're switching game engines from Red Engine to Unreal Engine 5, there is nothing that is reusable from the current game.
@@dboiiiii1 They're doing parallel development, Orion will go into full production before TW4 is even close to release. This is the entire reason they opened a new studio dedicated to this franchise lol. More like 2027/28
Getting the whole thing done in the rough first and then evenly improving it until it's in its full detail is one of the basic rules of creating stuff. This could work
- "there's just a couple of lingering bugs" understatement of the year, the few dev's still left working on this game seem to release an update and break 3 more... there needs to come a time when management finally say 'we're done with this game, we need to move on' great video as always
A bit of a systems design nerd moment, but it's really good to hear they're moving from an outdated waterfall model to an agile model. It really helps optimize the work flow because in the waterfall model, once you move on to the next stage of development if anything went wrong in previous stages it drastically affects later stages. In an agile model, if something goes wrong in one stage, it can be fixed on the next cycle relatively quickly without having to backtrack very much.
That's not really how it tends to work in practice, in my experience. It's good to get away from the Waterfall because of how stiff it is. There's a tendency in waterfall projects that you do things because that's what the plan says and the plan is the plan is the plan. In an agile approach, the center of the project should always be working software, so hopefully this means that a working prototype is ceated very early and then consistently improved until everything is where it should be. But take a look at Starfield. That game was also developed in an agile way, but the end result wasn't very good. Why? Because coordination was minimal, overall project goals were vague, and a bunch of different teams were basically just doing whatever with their little aspect of the game. All the different components work in isolation, but none of them really work together all that well, and it's somewhat hard to say that any of the components are really, truly fun. And note that another risk is that you're either not iterating problems thoroughly enough, not being allowed enough time to redo things developed in a hurry to get a prototype working, or you're forced to develop blind because nobody has a clue what the desired end goal of the project is going to be. And of course there's also the habitual misunderstanding of "sprint". Some people out there think it should be taken literally, unfortunately.
The two new writers are concerning and makes me think Orion will be nothing like Cyberpunk 2077. Lets face it we have already heard from the CEO of the company working on the Witcher remake that they will be removing outdated content, we all know what that means, coupled with it being developed in American and I think peak CDPR Cyberpunk has come and gone. Wish they would just make a second story expansion.
They had to add new writers though. Now they develop two games and Witcher gets most of old team. Cyberpunk is made by new american studio they need to develop still
Same. Now they fixed this game it would be alot more preferable to make more expansions. There's loads to do with gangs an corps. It's so stupid. Why not atleast allow a mod system like what was done with fallout 4. That alone made it huge. Are they so daft not too do that here ffs.
Say what you want but I'm not interested in a PVP add like a Saints Row like Co-op so we can either screw around do the story mode or whatever else we can do what's the option of fighting each other
To add a bit into Agile vs Waterfall,you cant realy compare since Agile is basically an ideology of work and Waterfall is a work flow, and Agile can cotain Waterfall style of work,but it all depends on the way its being reiterated, just like V-Model is some kind of zoomer level Waterfall(if you look at the 2 models there realy isnt that much difference) The difference is that Agile Focuses on workflows consisted of a lot of small teams that are self dependent from the other while in a normal Waterfall the entire Team progresses in the same pace and they dont go to the next step untill everyone else is done. Waterfall pros: -overall the product is more whole -less human errors -the vision of the product is not lost eazely cons: -slow -very rigid -changes that are introduced ar hard to update -expensive Agile pros: -flexible -allows for a lot of creativity and interpretation -fast and efficient -changes that are introduced are much more simpler to reitarate/update cons: -a lot of human error can get introduced, in waterfall you can have very little human error cause you have 1 leader steering the ship, in this case you have a lot of leaders and some may be less capable then the others -the product vision can be lost across multiple viewpoints -product might be unfinished in some parts since the project can get commited to the public without all the teams finishing AND the biggest CON of Agile development is on how involved the HIGHER Managment/executives/VIPS and stake holders are in the creation of the project. If you heard about Destiny 2 and how badly it gets ruined by gluton high execs its cause of AGILE. Because executives are involved directly in the development they also get certain KPI's criteria they have to meet in order for them to earn their bonuses, some of these KPIs relate to optimizing costs and staff distribution (you know where that leads) and they need to reach certain financial figures in ordere to get those KPI bonuses. And thats a bad idea cause historically involving executives and stake holders into a Artistic Vision of a story can eazely end up ruining it since they are high managment and have a lot of decision factors,and if their decision factors on them getting their bonus, they might be more focused on meeting KPIs criteria rather then focus on the game's health. Remember stakeholders dont care about a company's health in the long term ,they only care about their money and to dip out at the best point, executives even less,all they care is about their bonuses and if the company ends up going down they just swap ships Agile is just some mumbo jumbo term reinvented by Executives and Managers promoting it as some sort of saviour among work flows but its really just a tool that allows them to get good bonuses without being affected by a company's health in the long term,its vision is always about the short term. also insider fun tip: Agile was being implemented in cyberpunk 2077 aswell,and it was pushed by one of the executives also being backed by a group of stakeholders, and their wish was for multiplayer, but that executive didnt have that big of a functional team and their main lead dev quit leaving that idea in the dust (i think the lead dev just switched teams cause the focus of that team was for continuous monetization of a multiplayer framwork) ,thankfully the director didnt allocate many resources for the multiplayer and that idea was scrapped after the main dev left. That team had a KPI criteria around serving a monetized platform to assure continuous development of the game's multiplayer but the team had more vision around how to monetize it then make some original vision for a multiplayer game (they envisioned it like a HALO deathmatch kind of game)
Agile is only going to benefit them if they have proper code structure. if they tightly couple a lot of functions and features, then it's going to create issues when one sprint goes and makes a change to an object that then trickles down to all its dependent objects.
12:10 what mission is being played here I've tried looking for it but haven't found anything about it and I don't remember doing it myself and how do I get it?
...did you watch this muted or something? he's literally talking about its development at the timestamp you linked. It's still being worked on by the cyberscript folks so you can't play it yet
Ppl forget that Cyberpunk TV SHOW is coming (maybe new anime too). They will for sure use that time to add some big patch for the game. Same like they did with Edgerunners.
Hopefully they don't launch another Broken game. Much like Bethesda and Capcom, CDPR has horrendous QA and I won't trust anything until a week after launch.
it may also be that Agile helped them speed things up with PL because the base was already built with Cyberpunk, so it could take the same/longer for a whole new game to be developed in that style but then adding features and DLCs might come faster
i love modding this game since the day it have been came out. I dont even care for the hate it got and yup the modding community was pretty small back there. It pretty much a very hard time for me cuz how i have to do it alone ( learn to use redmod, Lut, etc ) but now, it become something i cant even thing of, the love it got rn just make me so happy tho and also create inspiration for many people to get in modding. ( choom the R19 lighting mod gonna come back very soon sooo lets ready )
@@07wrxtr1 unfortunately, Jack has move on from cp2077 modding so Let There Be Flight no longer supported, instead you can try Drive an Aerial Vehicle from tidusMD. you can try Infinite Jump and No Fall Damage by x1EGG in nexus.
I would be okay with co-op being 1-4 players with enemy health and damage scaling with the amount of people in one lobby. The “host” is the one who makes all the decisions and chooses dialogue while the others just get to provide backup and witness the same things the host is. That way people can have their own save/progress and go help their friends too. I could see it being fun to debate what to do with my friend(s).
They cant say a flat no we are done due to the investors and those variants. So the "maby in in the future" dont really meran anything. Basicly means there done. You can tell that a video game dev is lying because there mouth is moving and words are coming out of it.
If we dont get any more DLCs. I would atleast enjoy it if the Devs could just add really strong Enemy's to abandoned places. Like the mines, Bandit Camps, there are like 2 or 3 abandoned bunkers. Also, just copy-paste some Cyberpsycos with different paint jobs and replace them in different empty places. There are really a lot of them. I would also be great if we could revisite same blocked of bars and clubs. Like the Bargust Casino and the maelstrom Night Club. Also, it would be just Crazy if we could get the Casino outside of the map added and possible to visit. With a Poker Table like in RDR2. We could than play these minigames to win Poits to exchange against katanas hightech Cyberware or unique customisables. Make it a 10$ DlC, Resident evil did the same.
Probably not. When Skyrim got mods on PS4, Sony's 'policy' against user-created content hamstrung it. Xbox was able to get some decent stuff but I don't see it happening again.
8:15 as someone who has done some PM work. This is a fun nugget to add in there. While Waterfall is good for somethings, like FULL GAME launches IMO, the DLCs being Agile is a good call.
yeaaaa....multiplayer will make cyberpunk a toxic cesspool like multiplayer has always done. It RUINS games. The only thing cyberpunk needs are "co-op" like how saints row the third did.
Great advertising sold me on the game pre release. I just started playing it two weeks ago since I read about the bugs instead of experiencing them. Glad I waited, Phantom Liberty got me to start playing it.
@@CowwToools having force diversity in game, getting preached on every step of the game about how rainbow is cool and how anything traditional is off putting, white males showed aside because we are bunch of racists anyway we need more BIPOCs, overall shitty game because narrative will suffer for it.
Hey can u make an video explaining step by step how to install mods ? i saw an mod video from u and went on nexus but im overwhelmed and a bit dump regarding some explainations from the side on how exactly to download them ?
Easiest is to do it in steps. First the essentials that you need for everything put that in vortex. Next get whatever else and TEST if it works. Then continue. Don’t rush it, if you mess up by throwing in everything at once, you won’t know what mod is causing problems and you will have to start over
One thing I am hoping for in Cyberpunk: Orion is the added feature of a much deeper customization system for the main character. As while Cyberware and some features were improved compared to launch, I still feel we should’ve been able to make our own character that can be as diverse as the cast in Cyberpunk: Edgerunners. Choosing Cyberware and appearance modifications befitting of a brawler, Netrunner, sniper class etc. And heck with such upgrades and modifications being specifically designed for a single class you build your character to be throughout the course of the game. Not to mention getting cosmetic cyberware like the gold or silver skin mods we saw some characters use or be as wild as some of the cyberware seen by other factions in the game. Again maybe it can be so, or maybe not. But I am still really hoping to see a more deeper customization system added in the sequel.
I remember when this game was still being talked about on the forums before it was about to come out. I, and several other people, were talking about the track record of the Witcher 3 and how it was a terrible pile of poo at release and then with a bit of work it finally became the masterpiece that we all know and love today. Everyone was dunking on me and even the moderators silenced me and removed comments that I posted but I had said that modders would save the game no matter what because of how badly we needed a good cyberpunk genre game. I myself had pledged to work on making mods and overhauls if no one else did. Just feels good to see that I was right after all this time even after all the censorship. There was even a ton of woke stuff planned to be shoved into the game and everyone was complaining and I was like dudes chill. The modding scene WILL set this game straight. I am so happy that CDProjeckt Red listened to the modding community and even hired them. Game companies should take this more seriously as the work they do is usually miles better than the quality their current employees can do.
If they add some smaller missions, uses for some abandoned buildings, add bikes to the roads instead of all cars and to be able to use the buggy thing you see. That would be perfect. But any silly additions too would be great.
I could see CDPR implementing something like The Division, where a mass majority of the map is solo player, but have a seamless, zero-loading screen transition into a multi-player zone which has even better gear to find and collect but with a higher risk of advanced and dangerous enemy NPCs and other players. I don't see CDPR doing any kind of co-op, but if they did they'd be some preem gaming experience
One thing i want to note: That there are concerns out there, that agile development has not as much of a "benefit" as it is taught to have. Being in such a dev-environment myself, i could imagine that - but could be just me and my situation poorly executing agile dev. What agile dev feels like, is more of fewer but longer phases compared to "waterfall" - and you can walk blindly half the way without committing to anything. Which in theory sounds good, but also means, that lot of the time you dev blindly, not knowing what you actually do - and re-iterate over base concepts potentially nullifying significant amount of time. In conclusion, to me, agile developement feels like accepting bad management and/or decision making, since it allows to pull away from the course even at later stages. But Ultimately, waterfall and agile dev aint that different. Waterfall still allows redirection of the course and falling "upstream", but does not plan to - but if need be, you can change direction of the flow - and agile is basically baby-waterfalls over and over again, but what - to me - can feel delusional. Edit: To clarify the possibly contradiction here; I mean agile dev having lots of baby steps may feel like treading on the spot and not progressing - thus, always all the parts are involved and result in feeling of low pace.
Be happy if the progress is "low pace". Some agile variants go in the other extreme. That aside, I pretty much agree, though I would note that a fairly big problem with waterfalls is how early they decide what the project is and how hard it is to keep the goals of the project aligned with the actual needs of the customer.
I would love to try playing Witcher 3 again with multiple mods in a way where I don't have to merge multiple script modifications together line-by-line in a text editor.
They really need to fix the bug where the news and radio hosts have no audio. Not game breaking but it sure is immersion breaking and its been an issue since 2.0
Theirs still some parts of cyberpunk that’s needs to get fixed especially regarding the NPCs in the city, but I’ve been having a great time finishing up phantom liberty
Something else that would be nice, is to make the generic crowded areas, less crowded and give them a reason to have that area populated in the first place… like gaining trust of the little communities area you, and having a proper reputation aspect, not just one that gives you a discount on items… take what rdr2 did, and improve it. If your rep is good, the communities treat you better, if it’s bad, the communities will try to force you out of the area.
My only question about the multiplayer mod is how it will deal with Sandevistan. Will it be disabled, will it slow the game down for everyone not using it, or will it deal with it in some other way?
Cyber punk has a saving issue if you bought it now where the game doesn’t let you continue any misssions and stays on the loading icon and you can’t make calls
Not a big fan of PVP but I do hope they make multiplayer happen. I love walking around Night City and enjoying the views there but sometimes it just feels lonely. Personally, I find it would be great if we are able to hang out with others in the Night City, check out their character designs, cars and maybe racing.
The first principal of Agile is "Have a WORKING product." Agile is a proven strategy as the game seamlessly integrated and worked perfectly in Phantom Liberty! I am almost 1000 hours in to 2077... A "greatest game of its generation" IMO.
Here's the thing about CyberPunk. It's dev team has shown us something very important that many other dev teams mess up ALL THE TIME! They care about the IP, and that if Orion is broken when it comes out, we KNOW it will be fixed, and will become amazing! They showed us their dedication to make a masterpiece, even if it isn't initially!
![Seungmin "그렇게, 천천히, 우리(As we are)" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kAzmhLHePqU/mqdefault.jpg)
Get a Cyberpunk Displate here: displate.com/?art=642ee75ff0b7b
Bro, CDPR has gone full DEI mode, everything else is going to be shite. Don't deceive yourself.
@JuiceHead3 what gun is that and where did you get i The one at 1:37.
moral of the story:
even a broken game can still return in billions in revenue if it being properly given care that it deserves
Oh how ironic
Yea but we should still shun that companies need to be givin us finished games on release (I have hundreds of hours on cyberpunk one of my favorite games of all time I’m just sayin)
@@damariusmarkes1865great news, bullying works
@@user-zp8kj2cl9gedgerunners do help with sales because it does have appeal to a certain market, but ultimately patch 2.1 and phantom liberty what finally makes cyberpunk playable and able to regain trust to consumers
Wish someone would take up Anthem and bring it back to life updating and completing that game.
I'm guessing the final update will be New Game +. Inventory, money, level, stash, vehicles, etc can carry over. Start all over again but with different choices. Completing New Game + will unveil a secret cutscene that hints to CyberPunk sequel and have the internet relevance again.
Yes, for the love of all things in the universe, I just want to be able to replay the game without have to grind all the way back to level 60.
I'm pretty sure they said something about there never being a ng+ not sure though
At this point, i doubt we’re getting New Game Plus
@@RippinTsyep, the story and the game design doesn't allow such a possibility according to several devs statements about Ng+
Not to ruin the vibes or anything, but I think you’re getting your hopes WAY too high. I truly believe that if they were planning on making NG+, it would have come out already. It’s way too big of a feature to release with a smaller patch, and obviously, we know we’re not getting Patch 3.0
Some things I would like to see in future updates:
-Vehicle paint shops
-Customizable clothing
-Cybernetic body appearance options (limbs, skin, etc.)
-More quickhacks
-BD recording
Co op
@@deadnorth8648 more romance options!!! Don't get me wrong, Panam is awesome but Aurore and Songbird were something else.
If we dont get any more DLCs.
I would atleast enjoy it if the Devs could just add really strong Enemy's to abandoned places. Like the mines, Bandit Camps, there are like 2 or 3 abandoned bunkers.
Also, just copy-paste some Cyberpsycos with different paint jobs and replace them in different empty places. There are really a lot of them.
Also, it would be just Crazy if we could get the Casino outside of the map added and possible to visit. Make it a 10$ DlC, Resident evil did the same.
3rd person view
@@yusufmagedy5366 or actually more expansion on the romance of the game. should have like the bare minimum like being able to hang out with your partners or taking them on missions.
I really hope and pray that CDPR listens to the community heavily focuses on immersion and roleplay with the sequel to Cyberpunk 2077.
Just my opinion, but I actually think it does fairly well with immersion, though I understand the sentiment completely. My gripe is the "illusion of choice" factor it has, where the majority of choices in the game have no actual impact beyond a line or two of dialogue. I hope for more missions like "The Pickup" in the early game, where there are multiple branches that are vastly different, with different possible rewards, etc, and each route has effects on later missions in the game depending on how you handled it.
@nibsj2887 i feel like it doesn't really need it. it would be cool to see the character in action but if the third person mechanics would be anything like in wither 3 i say focus on first person mode only
@nibsj2887 first person is literally 10x more immersive
@nibsj2887Third person is less immersive by default.
2077 was the most immersive game I've ever played in the first place.
Phantom liberty was so good shame we aren't getting another expansion
I wish we had gotten all 3 DLC, I loved every square meter of Cyberpunk 2077 and Phantom Liberty, I would have happily paid another £100 for the missing 2 DLC.
what were the other two dlcs
And people like you are the reason why releasing broken piles of manure works so well short to medium term. You'll forgive and buy their dlc over and over with no issue. They ditched content and cut content just to offer it to us afterwards...And all because they released a mess from the start.
@@randomyoutubecommentersecu7639Phantom Liberty was never a planned part of the game, you don't even see any parts of Phantom Liberty in any of Cyberpunk's trailers prior to the main game release. Other than that every other piece of new/ditched/cut content that made it into the game were just updates that costed no money.
They dropped the other two game expansions simply because they don't want to funnel any more money into 2077 specifically. So unless you got some insider information going on, what you said is entirely mute here.
@@thisislame2207bro he is right, we should never forget what CDPR did, NEVER not them not any other game company.
They work to make money, a product, the product needs to be finished on release, simple as that.
In this case - Expansions. PL is more then typical DLC
I don’t care about multiplayer. I just want more panam.
You should attempt to find a real girl instead of pounding to pixels.
I want one more DLC so bad I seriously am in love with this game so much, it’s literally everything I ever wanted in a cyberpunk game. The world is amazing and reminds me of futurama so much haha
Definitely 👍👍👍
Futurama? Really that’s what it reminds you of? Strange
Same. Also hope we get some story mods like half life does.
Might be better to focus on cyberpunk Orion
A DLC that will let´s as play the 6 months with Jackie , a DLC that V can become member of MacTac that will unlock a new ending that MacTac will save V something like this after you talk to Melissa Rory you get a call from her V becomes a member of MacTac ( trial member ) new cyberpsychos unlock and new missions with Melissa and at the end in the balcony V can call Melissa she will come take V to MacTac headquarters they will save V and at the end a cutscene with V and Melissa hunting cyberpsychos
A Cyberpunk 2077 themed live action cop show would be so very cool. A team of honest cops (maybe a MaxTac team) trying to serve the people of Night City and uphold the law in a world of so much violence and corruption could be such an interesting concept.
Yeah, more failure please.
Maybe just try and make a good working game instead of spreading out in all these directions and being stuck on the cyberpunk ip for all time.
@@vladcrow4225 Bahaha, you wouldn't know a failure if it spat on your face.
@@ericharbour9254I can appreciate that, it’s such a cool universe that would be entertaining to explore as long as it doesn’t become a distraction or resource drain to CDPR and is done right.
I rather base it on a CyberPsycho. Each episode it’s a different Pyscho- and, we follow each one through beginning till end of the psychosis..
Which will be a way to involve so many different elements of Night City..
Then have Mr Blue Eyes in each episode hidden, just watching..
.. which leads to the conspiracy of certain powerful & wealthy individuals creating those psychos- using them as pieces to forward their own agenda. Usually triggered by a word/image/song…
Waterfall vs Agile
I'm a dev (not CDPR employee) and I can tell you this: there's multiple types of Agile development and each house has their own rules, kindda like playing Uno. Hopefully it will turn out ok and their agile 'house rules' are ok.
You cannot assume that just because Phantom Liberty turned out ok, Orion will turn out ok as well because they're working agile.
The real world does not work out that way.
They don't have an existing platform for Orion like they had for Phantom Liberty. (platform = existing vanilla C2077), because they don't have an existing platform, because they are implementing on a brand new engine (for them, they didn't work in UE5 before) things can still go south.
Sure, because of Agile, they have more flexibility than with Waterfall, they can turn around and iterate on things that go south, but make no mistake: things can and usually DO go south even with Agile. It's its own can of worms.
What I mean by this whole comment, so TLDR: Agile is not the new Jesus Christ, don't automatically think that Agile will solve everything, because it won't. I believe it's better than Waterfall but, again, it's not the new sliced bread, it has its problems as well. Search "problems with waterfall" and "problems with agile", I won't write an entire novel in the comments, thanks!
Right, I’m a PO and agile means so many things in different companies. So I’m big forward projects, we can get stuff out quicker in Agile, but I not think it’ll have an impact on say, an earlier release date for a game.
I am just surprised that they are only just now adopting Agile, its been in the industry for years
Given how much a debacle CP2077 and that the original crew that created the engine (Hence why CDPR had to literally abandon all it's plans for Cyberpunk support) ran for the hills as fast as they could... Don't expect much.
This, but also I’ll say that in my experience Agile can actually make things take longer depending on the ‘house rules’ lol It’s basically just a buzzword at this point to me
@@aj0413_ You're not wrong. But universally, in the area of software development, AGILE means you get more productivity out of the same manhour. BDUF doesn't work. No matter who you hire, a human brain is simply an insufficient tool to anticipate every interaction, every emergent property. For something as complex as an open world video game, any complete design is necessarily so low level it's functionally code. And as all code, it has bugs. Which you won't see until you run it. Software has grown to the point where iterative development is not optional anymore, not until we somehow make our brains bigger.
Cyberpunk Orion wishlist:
- Improved Role Playing Mechanics (Purchasing more stuff over the internet or through interactive ads, having a back story or character that truly immerses you in the role, more meaningful interactions with factions or individuals based on the role you choose to play).
- Flying Cars/Metro System
- Dense vertical city with plenty of activities. (At least 40% of buildings should be accessible at all times not just for quests - Clubbing, Casinos, Sports etc).
- More quests/activities with side characters (Hiring individuals you come across to be apart of your crew, putting them to use to earn cash, going on missions with them)
One thing I’d of liked in the role playing aspect is the option to join gangs as a street kid, or choose your corp as a corpo, would love to have been able to do a maelstrom psycho/berserker build. Or side with another corp down the line after being betrayed by your initial choice
@@theinkysquid7661 Love that, just being able to join factions and doing faction related quests would be amazing.
i definitely would add factions to that, both fixed ones and flexible ones (meaning joining a certain gang means you cant join another gang, but still take a gig from other fixers/companies)
@@LS-tk7hp That would be awesome, based on the gang you choose to join you fight for control over territory and get more gigs and street cred. Or you could infiltrate a gang as a part of another faction's questline. Or even start your own gang, not sure if that would be too complicated but would certainly be dope!
@@ssdd440 exactly! but its important to keep in mind that CDPR likes to go the story way and thats more important for me- while its normal to want the next game to be improved its funny because we take the things the first game delivered for granted even tho its clearly not so they have to do everything they did right with cyberpunk again and then add the stuff youve listed which are the features that are lacking in cyberpunk 2077. im really hyped tho because Unreal Engine 5 is looking mad good and to see a skilled studio like cdpr using it might leave an insane end result to the point where im now more hyped for project orion than anything else, even TES VI (but thats cause bethesdas track record has been nosediving and CDPR actually makes the decisions bethesda shouldve went with a long time ago like abandoning their engine in favor of a more versatile one and by now UE5 is so packed its hard to compete with, or also developing more than one major title at a time i.e. 2 witcher games+project orion+early stages of project hadar vs bethesda with TES VI)
Hopefully Orion uses the same Night City map... just filled with life
I think it likely will. Would also speed up development time.
They will almost certainly use the same layout, but it's a different engine so it won't be the easiest port.
Imagine how they will be destroyed by haters if they do that
@@oneringtorulethemagicarp7199 It's just assets, It's stuff like the animations and the lighting system that might be tricky, but who knows. Depends on the RED engine whether they can easily port stuff like that. It would help out big time if they didn't have to recreate every single atom. Means getting the game closer to 2027/28 rather than the 2030s.
@@vilenskydmitry San Andreas and GTA5 take place in the same city, GTA5 only expanded on it. If they're trying to expand the existing lore of Cyberpunk, changing the city layout is the worst thing they can do, unless it doesn't take place at the same time
It may be a long wait until the Cyberpunk sequel but it truly gives me something to look forward to
As someone who actually works in the IT industry (specifically development of software), it's actually fairly rare to work purely in an agile method (as much as it is in waterfall). Some things you just can't test at iteration until later, depending on how you work your dependencies etc (your gun example I think is a pretty bad example I think as it is performed in a vacuum, unless you test against many weapons of its type, how do you know if it fires 'too fast' or 'too slow', although you do kinda absolve yourself if you get your customer (say, project manager or product owner) to sign off on it, you can still run into the same issue down the track as the game becomes more feature rich aka complete). It's also much harder to work in agile if you've also never done it before. The best thing about agile though is if some sort of scope change happens (for example, management suddenly decides to develop for primarily the PS8 or something) than you can arguably pivot much easier, but you know... it's still a large amount of work asset wise (and possibly programming in case resource management needs to change). Another issue is that documentation tends to get even worse in Agile methodologies in my experience, but luckily they are using 3rd party software in Unreal, so maybe they won't have to worry about this as much given that ideally Epic has done this much better.
I think a better example of Agile development is this: You have an AI controlled Bot in a room that you want to test against the player character. The first iteration is testing that the Bot recognizes the player, the second iteration might be that the bot fires at the player, the third iteration might be that the bot looks for cover from the player, the fourth iteration might be that the bot chooses from cover options, the fifth might be that the bot now has to interact with an active player who is also moving and shooting, the sixth iteration is that there are now two bots against the player, the seventh iteration might be that the two bots share information between each other and so on and so on as the development continues and more optimized code comes online (although the core engine of unreal is pretty well optimized by now; Epic of course do release more versions and I imagine CDPR would have a closer development relationship with them given that perhaps money has probably already exchanged hands with some sort of licensing/support agreement)
I guess my point is; Agile is hardly this wondrous mechanism that will automatically make the game more likely to come out on time (or on budget). Software Development is notoriously bad at keeping its own timeframes, whether it's games or anything else of some degree of complexity. I wish them luck though, but honestly I'm not sure I will dive into its sequel given that I was ultimately pretty dissatisfied with the ending(s) of both the game and Phantom Liberty.
I’m an architect and agile seems like a nightmare to me😂
@@10secondsrule for architecture, it would be. For some software, it is. For other software, it's perfect. People just make the mistake of thinking it's the only choice for software, and it isn't.
Truth is we really don’t need a multiplayer
It's not CDPR spending their time and effort into it, it's a mod
Yes we do.
Nope @@TheOath888
@@TheOath888not really…just because it’s a fps doesn’t mean it needs multiplayer. plus the sandy+katana and tech weapons would be too broken
Totally agree. PVP shooting is the absolute antithesis of role playing. They are completely different game styles and do not work together. Especially in a game with so much time dilation. It would be a waste of resources that should be focused on building on what they have, not adding an entirely new experience on top. There are plenty of multiplayer games, go play one of them.
I didn't experience any of the game breaking bugs from OG cyberpunk 2077, but it had a boatload of quirks. I think it's fun that I got to experience the original game and what it became. I thought it was worth the purchase on release, but with how much work and the game they created with the newer updates made it so much better.
Modding tools will be truly welcome addition.
Should be top comment
We have those, it's called REDmod which pairs with the Wolven Kit.
Your videos always make me happy, so I subscribed!
The two new writers in Orion makes me nervous. Why not keep the original writers? Why change them??
Especially what they wrote makes me a tad worried
I want who ever wrote the side quests to write the main story. I found the side quests were way more interesting.
Because writers work on different projects for different studios all the time and they might just not be available atm ...
They need new writers bec older ones work on new Witcher game now
@@davideberhardt6150 that is bs. cyberpunk is a big enough and probably well playing enough projct that they would probably drop smaller projects to partake.
I honestly love this game so much. Even with all its faults, glitches, and crashes, i loved it. I can't wait for the sequel, cant wait to see what they'll do.
WHAT ABOUT GAME + PLUS MODE. I WANT TO START OVER WITH CHARACTER
Agree
I dunno. they may add it officially, but it might be a bit too far against the spirit of the games story. (i.e. a low level merc that makes their way to the top). Also, as somebody that has effectively done a ng+ run with mods, the experience wasn't really great. Didn't feel like I was progressing anything.
I think a good compromise could be to let you keep your traits points like headhunter, solo, engineer, etc..
you can make that with mods if you're on pc, if on console, well yeah.
@@fumetsu-950 well said. I hope cyberpunk 2 will new game plus someday. Thanks for sharing. 🙂
Facts
In the 90s and 00s, games managed to have FULL single players games WITH a multiplayer option. I just hope CDPR multiplayer doesn't interfere at all with single player, like so many Ubisoft, Rockstar and EA games do - to name a few!
I mean it’s not like GTA 5’s single player isn’t full?? It’s just that the multiplayer is even bigger
When they were planning MP for CP2077 they've said it would be like a separate game with its own story/lore that ties in the MP aspect of the world.
if they ever add multiplayer I'm never touching the fucking game again
There's good and bad about using servers for multiplayer in a game. Some of the old-school multiplayer games didn't have dedicated multiplayer servers, instead, they had server/client software built into the game so that the person hosting the game would be running the server version of the game and their friends would join their game, and automatically connect to their server, do it this way save the developer in server costs, which mean no excuse to charge players to play the online version of the game. The drawback to the server/client system being built into the game is connection is completely dependent on the host's internet connection, it's also more difficult to ensure players aren't using cheats, but if the host has a good internet connection there wouldn't be as much issue with lag from running the game on a main server and having to keep thousands if not millions of players synced with the game, I run into this issue often in a lot of MMOs where I get lag from the server because though the game is running on my PC it's also running on the main server so what I actually do in my game doesn't count, my inputs are sent to the server, then the server distributes my inputs to everyone else in my session instance, including back to myself and some times the main server gets bogged down doing this for thousands or millions of players, and you get a, "rubber banding effect," where suddenly your character springs back to where they were several seconds ago. I don't recall, "rubber banding," happening much under the client/server old-school method of online multiplayer, but it happens a lot with the main server method. The drawbacks to the old-school client/server method is you can't easily ensure players aren't using cheats, and you can't have as many people in the same session instance, so the game would just be multiplayer not massive multiplayer.
I'm working on some game development myself and plan on using the old-school client/server method to not only save myself money on buying expensive gaming servers, but also ensure the game runs smoother for a group of friends who want to play instead of them rubber banding often because of main server lag.
Star Trek Online's servers are setup to only allow up to 30 players per session instance and it still lags out often and gets rubber banding all the time.
Thanks for coming in clutch and explaining servers! I used to get that “rubber banding” effect while playing multiplayer games sometimes but couldn’t put together why. An age old problem finally solved
Both “Agile” & “Waterfall” are actually aspects of project management and not specifically gaming development.
Agile has many benefits for “getting things done” but if there’s a mistake like issues with the engine or game logic they have to start over again from the beginning
this is honestly one of my favorite video game universes ever! i really hope they keep rolling with it and keep the games coming because i would play them no matter what
Started playing for the first time about 5 weeks ago. Yea.. I’m 180 hours in. I’m basically working two jobs life and cyberpunk 😂 #hooked trying for 100% i have almost everything done except a couple more ncpd calls and the main story… everything else is done and I don’t have a skill stat below 50 of 60 😂
I wouldn't read too much into Waterfall vs. Agile. No one actually practices Agile as it's written and most often turns back into Waterfall anyway. Tell any Producer that any studio practices Agile and they'll give you a knowing smirk.
Yeah, they may keep bits and pieces of the process, but I doubt they stick with an agile approach. Changing operations usually ends up in a revert back to old ways but with a combination of what was attempted.
Those two writers on Orion do not give me confidence in the narrative...
Same. I am absolutely bamboozled by the fact that they didn't keep the original writers in the cyberpunk team. I'm anxious about Orion.
That's just new writers being added, KOTOR was a really well made story for how old it is. At the very least they have Mike to talk to derictly for whatever project they make in the future
@@rouge-gsd3061 The writer is from the MMO Star Wars: The Old Republic, not from the older Knights of the Old Republic. Easily made mistake though. SWTOR had good writing in a lot of places (Especially the stuff it launched with), but I haven't looked into what they were actually responsible for.
@@orbit1894 that's not how the writer profession works! Writers get hired by companies on single project basis. A project is finished, they move on to other things ... the original writers simply might not be available right now.
@@davideberhardt6150 or more likely, don't want to work on a sequel
My biggest wish is that they add better movement and alow us to use the monowire to swign or grapple around.
Mantis blades used to climb on walls .
Gorilla arms to trow barrels on enemies or too launch yourself
You can run and shove with the arms actually it and it gives too thick down
Also no offense the monowire wouldn't have the reach or strength to do what you described maybe a grappling hook or something maybe
Should be easy to do in the sequel, even giving us third person this time now that it's in Unreal Engine 5. 2077 itself would have gotten way more support if not for them ditching their engine.
Hi im from the cybermp discord and i was there on the alpha testing.
If you wish to see about 2 hours footage about the alpha testing we had its in my channel....
Do not expect exactly a perfect recording due to youtubes compression but its going to be there.
We had an amazing time testing the mod and a few things have been fixed since that.
And things are going to be even better in the future.
I know it'll probably never happen but I'd love for CDPR to make mods avalaible for console too
Yes I must mod in equitable Mr. Stud
This is the most likely matter of Microshaft and SQNY allowing these. From CDPR's point of view it's probably just matter of rebuilding the game executable as I am sure the Cyberpunk devs also use game mods made by the community (for game development and testing) and such feature is already available in developer builds, which can't be released to the console's app store.
@@pikachulovesketchup666 for me it's just annoying that Skyrim has mods on console since this proves it can be done and now I just want it for every game😭
Then tell Sony stop being donkeys and allow mods to consoles like Microsoft did with Skyrim, fallout 4. But I highly doubt, they'll do it unless it brings them some kind of money. Remember we had to kick and scream at Sony to allow cross play? When fortnight first came out I do. It's literally 2 lines of code, when most games already support it. Sony acted it was going to be the end of the world.
@@eternalgamers10 they can make it ps plus onby for all I care I just want mods
It's hard to imagine anyone doing a project much larger than "Hello World!" with waterfall nowadays. Agile gets something minimally functional in alpha much more quickly and then tests the product as more functionality is being developed. That allows them to quickly discard ideas or functionality that doesn't work or isn't right for the game.
It also lets them build a large suite of automated tests that cover every past issue the game had so they can quickly confirm they did not re-introduce a problem they thought was cured, or break existing infrastructure. That allows game testers to concentrate on the new content and functionality which is being added at each iteration of the agile development cycle.
The bottom line is developers and testers can work in manageable sized chunks so less fall through the cracks, and there will be far fewer zero-day code bugs and other issues. Assuming agile is done right. Like anything else, you can screw it up.
I'd just like something like a creation engine, so we can make our own missions and stories set in night city.
Creation Kit* and yeah, it was a mini engine for modders. It's the best mod support you can get, nothing comes close to it and is rarely seen in the industry. CDPR might deliver that someday.
2:26 Hmm, about 65% of CDPR is now focused on Witcher 4. This is good.
It's 50/50, Poland devs are working on Witcher 4 while new studio in Boston will be working on CP sequels. I'd imagine they will be trying to launch both games around the same time, you get two billion dollar launches in one year that will set you up for a while.
@@AnInsaneTaco I doubt 2 magnum opus would drop at the same time
@@TizerisT. They said that's what they want to do. That's why they are splitting the work into two separate studios. Orion is in conceptual phase and Polaris is in pre-production, that is not that far apart in development. I bet they will release within a year of each other.
Witcher is overrated
@@OVOgooner no it isnt and has better writing than cyberpunk
I want more Songbird 😢
Same here
Same
Gave cyberpunk a try after everything got fixed im now on my 3rd playthrough im in love witu this game it has a certain aspect like fallout 4/skyrim did where its addicting to just keep coming back too
I need NG+ for this game
I just wanna hang out on the rooftop drinking beer with my chooms in Night City.
I just really want some more cyber customization if that makes sense, like a robot arm or something
I want your cyberware to actually impact your look more than slightly changing your arms - if I have reinforced tendons I want my legs to be different than Leroy's Ligaments. Let me go full Malestrom and replace my eyes with their crazy 3 lens set up, etc
@@lp6702sv hopefully coming to the next game🤞
the “we are still looking at this game and things might change” is lowkey such a good sign, because they said they were done with Witcher 3 updates and not so long ago they released that bigass patch that not only added new settings for next gen but some new weapons, armor and quests.
I wish they would just keep more releasing DLC.
I would pay for a pack of new missions combined with new game+, and increased level cap. Don’t even need new additions to the city. Seriously, CDPR shut up and take my money! Give us more cyberpunk!
I hope that Orion takes the same map of Night City and add loads more unique interiors, so much potential going forward.
I still say Orion is going to take a good while... My bet is December 10, 2030 -- ten years to the day that Cyberpunk 2077 was released.
Agreed. People aren’t thinking straight. Imagine 2-3 years minimum before next witcher game, prolly 2026/2027. Then 2 giant dlcs for that, and then a year after the last before next cyberpunk. 2029 earliest
I hope that's not true, I'd like to imagine since cyberpunk 2077 is already massive, they reuse some assets, at least the ones that aren't unique to the world itself like roads or trees etc, also since this isn't a new game concept maybe their experience and comprehensive game design language will ease or speed up development. It shouldn't take 6 years to make the sequel that's just inhumane.
yea definitely a good 5 years from now at least
@@aneural Unfortunately, because they're switching game engines from Red Engine to Unreal Engine 5, there is nothing that is reusable from the current game.
@@dboiiiii1 They're doing parallel development, Orion will go into full production before TW4 is even close to release. This is the entire reason they opened a new studio dedicated to this franchise lol. More like 2027/28
Getting the whole thing done in the rough first and then evenly improving it until it's in its full detail is one of the basic rules of creating stuff. This could work
- "there's just a couple of lingering bugs"
understatement of the year, the few dev's still left working on this game seem to release an update and break 3 more...
there needs to come a time when management finally say 'we're done with this game, we need to move on'
great video as always
A bit of a systems design nerd moment, but it's really good to hear they're moving from an outdated waterfall model to an agile model. It really helps optimize the work flow because in the waterfall model, once you move on to the next stage of development if anything went wrong in previous stages it drastically affects later stages. In an agile model, if something goes wrong in one stage, it can be fixed on the next cycle relatively quickly without having to backtrack very much.
That's not really how it tends to work in practice, in my experience. It's good to get away from the Waterfall because of how stiff it is. There's a tendency in waterfall projects that you do things because that's what the plan says and the plan is the plan is the plan. In an agile approach, the center of the project should always be working software, so hopefully this means that a working prototype is ceated very early and then consistently improved until everything is where it should be.
But take a look at Starfield. That game was also developed in an agile way, but the end result wasn't very good. Why? Because coordination was minimal, overall project goals were vague, and a bunch of different teams were basically just doing whatever with their little aspect of the game. All the different components work in isolation, but none of them really work together all that well, and it's somewhat hard to say that any of the components are really, truly fun.
And note that another risk is that you're either not iterating problems thoroughly enough, not being allowed enough time to redo things developed in a hurry to get a prototype working, or you're forced to develop blind because nobody has a clue what the desired end goal of the project is going to be. And of course there's also the habitual misunderstanding of "sprint". Some people out there think it should be taken literally, unfortunately.
The two new writers are concerning and makes me think Orion will be nothing like Cyberpunk 2077. Lets face it we have already heard from the CEO of the company working on the Witcher remake that they will be removing outdated content, we all know what that means, coupled with it being developed in American and I think peak CDPR Cyberpunk has come and gone. Wish they would just make a second story expansion.
They had to add new writers though. Now they develop two games and Witcher gets most of old team. Cyberpunk is made by new american studio they need to develop still
Same. Now they fixed this game it would be alot more preferable to make more expansions. There's loads to do with gangs an corps. It's so stupid. Why not atleast allow a mod system like what was done with fallout 4. That alone made it huge. Are they so daft not too do that here ffs.
Say what you want but I'm not interested in a PVP add like a Saints Row like Co-op so we can either screw around do the story mode or whatever else we can do what's the option of fighting each other
To add a bit into Agile vs Waterfall,you cant realy compare since Agile is basically an ideology of work and Waterfall is a work flow, and Agile can cotain Waterfall style of work,but it all depends on the way its being reiterated, just like V-Model is some kind of zoomer level Waterfall(if you look at the 2 models there realy isnt that much difference)
The difference is that Agile Focuses on workflows consisted of a lot of small teams that are self dependent from the other while in a normal Waterfall the entire Team progresses in the same pace and they dont go to the next step untill everyone else is done.
Waterfall pros:
-overall the product is more whole
-less human errors
-the vision of the product is not lost eazely
cons:
-slow
-very rigid
-changes that are introduced ar hard to update
-expensive
Agile pros:
-flexible
-allows for a lot of creativity and interpretation
-fast and efficient
-changes that are introduced are much more simpler to reitarate/update
cons:
-a lot of human error can get introduced, in waterfall you can have very little human error cause you have 1 leader steering the ship, in this case you have a lot of leaders and some may be less capable then the others
-the product vision can be lost across multiple viewpoints
-product might be unfinished in some parts since the project can get commited to the public without all the teams finishing
AND the biggest CON of Agile development is on how involved the HIGHER Managment/executives/VIPS and stake holders are in the creation of the project. If you heard about Destiny 2 and how badly it gets ruined by gluton high execs its cause of AGILE.
Because executives are involved directly in the development they also get certain KPI's criteria they have to meet in order for them to earn their bonuses, some of these KPIs relate to optimizing costs and staff distribution (you know where that leads) and they need to reach certain financial figures in ordere to get those KPI bonuses. And thats a bad idea cause historically involving executives and stake holders into a Artistic Vision of a story can eazely end up ruining it since they are high managment and have a lot of decision factors,and if their decision factors on them getting their bonus, they might be more focused on meeting KPIs criteria rather then focus on the game's health.
Remember stakeholders dont care about a company's health in the long term ,they only care about their money and to dip out at the best point, executives even less,all they care is about their bonuses and if the company ends up going down they just swap ships
Agile is just some mumbo jumbo term reinvented by Executives and Managers promoting it as some sort of saviour among work flows but its really just a tool that allows them to get good bonuses without being affected by a company's health in the long term,its vision is always about the short term.
also insider fun tip:
Agile was being implemented in cyberpunk 2077 aswell,and it was pushed by one of the executives also being backed by a group of stakeholders, and their wish was for multiplayer, but that executive didnt have that big of a functional team and their main lead dev quit leaving that idea in the dust (i think the lead dev just switched teams cause the focus of that team was for continuous monetization of a multiplayer framwork) ,thankfully the director didnt allocate many resources for the multiplayer and that idea was scrapped after the main dev left. That team had a KPI criteria around serving a monetized platform to assure continuous development of the game's multiplayer but the team had more vision around how to monetize it then make some original vision for a multiplayer game (they envisioned it like a HALO deathmatch kind of game)
Agile is only going to benefit them if they have proper code structure. if they tightly couple a lot of functions and features, then it's going to create issues when one sprint goes and makes a change to an object that then trickles down to all its dependent objects.
12:10 what mission is being played here I've tried looking for it but haven't found anything about it and I don't remember doing it myself and how do I get it?
...did you watch this muted or something? he's literally talking about its development at the timestamp you linked. It's still being worked on by the cyberscript folks so you can't play it yet
I'm blown away by the commitment the developers have towards this game. I wish other developers would learn from them.
Yeah all they needed were lawsuits 😅
the commitment: delivering on things they originally promised for the release
They had lawsuits breathing down their neck, I don’t think they had a choice lol
Maybe they can mode the whole game where you can start from the very beginning, street gang low lvl, corp intern, nomad outside the city.
Ppl forget that Cyberpunk TV SHOW is coming (maybe new anime too). They will for sure use that time to add some big patch for the game. Same like they did with Edgerunners.
Guys complaining about CDPR going woke are just mad they couldn't romance Judy with a male V.
Cdpr is not woke. Because their studio would be burned down.
Anyway it is unlucky that it is not possible to date panam as female v
If you grew up playing CS:S then that multiplayer mod looks flawless XD
One of the writers sadly is a DEI nutjob though, hopefully this will be kept in check, CDPR would not survive a Justice League disaster
I always love your game coverage videos.
Hopefully they don't launch another Broken game. Much like Bethesda and Capcom, CDPR has horrendous QA and I won't trust anything until a week after launch.
Working on Orion must be a dream job
I just hope CDPR did not hire some SBI "consultant" or I'm not touching Cyberpunk Orion with a 10 foot pole
I loved the game. Respect to CDPR for fixing it.
What about a new dlc. Crystal Palace, and along the Journey force to face "The Angels". It would be amazing.
it may also be that Agile helped them speed things up with PL because the base was already built with Cyberpunk, so it could take the same/longer for a whole new game to be developed in that style but then adding features and DLCs might come faster
We also need CP2077 in VR 🥳
i love modding this game since the day it have been came out. I dont even care for the hate it got and yup the modding community was pretty small back there. It pretty much a very hard time for me cuz how i have to do it alone ( learn to use redmod, Lut, etc ) but now, it become something i cant even thing of, the love it got rn just make me so happy tho and also create inspiration for many people to get in modding. ( choom the R19 lighting mod gonna come back very soon sooo lets ready )
Do we have a mod for flying cars and infinite jump and zero Fall damage for PL?
I had all of those working perfectly on 1.63… and now I’m SOL
@@07wrxtr1 unfortunately, Jack has move on from cp2077 modding so Let There Be Flight no longer supported, instead you can try Drive an Aerial Vehicle from tidusMD.
you can try Infinite Jump and No Fall Damage by x1EGG in nexus.
As long as they don't fall in the " get woke go broke" hole.
who cares honestly
@@abril9691 nobody that voted for biden 🤣🤣🤣
I would be okay with co-op being 1-4 players with enemy health and damage scaling with the amount of people in one lobby. The “host” is the one who makes all the decisions and chooses dialogue while the others just get to provide backup and witness the same things the host is. That way people can have their own save/progress and go help their friends too. I could see it being fun to debate what to do with my friend(s).
They cant say a flat no we are done due to the investors and those variants. So the "maby in in the future" dont really meran anything. Basicly means there done. You can tell that a video game dev is lying because there mouth is moving and words are coming out of it.
Odd. I do the thing with the words and the mouth all the time. XDD
If we dont get any more DLCs.
I would atleast enjoy it if the Devs could just add really strong Enemy's to abandoned places. Like the mines, Bandit Camps, there are like 2 or 3 abandoned bunkers.
Also, just copy-paste some Cyberpsycos with different paint jobs and replace them in different empty places. There are really a lot of them.
I would also be great if we could revisite same blocked of bars and clubs. Like the Bargust Casino and the maelstrom Night Club.
Also, it would be just Crazy if we could get the Casino outside of the map added and possible to visit.
With a Poker Table like in RDR2.
We could than play these minigames to win Poits to exchange against katanas hightech Cyberware or unique customisables.
Make it a 10$ DlC, Resident evil did the same.
We won’t get anything and they shouldn’t add anything either.
Hopefully they learned their lesson for the next game
@takumu781 care to explain why you dont want any more dlcs or updates for CP2077.
Do you not like the Game?
So console could be getting mods
I pray at the very least they implement the Rita booty call mod at the very least I’ve been wanting to tap that so badly
no.
Probably not. When Skyrim got mods on PS4, Sony's 'policy' against user-created content hamstrung it. Xbox was able to get some decent stuff but I don't see it happening again.
no lol
8:15 as someone who has done some PM work. This is a fun nugget to add in there. While Waterfall is good for somethings, like FULL GAME launches IMO, the DLCs being Agile is a good call.
yeaaaa....multiplayer will make cyberpunk a toxic cesspool like multiplayer has always done. It RUINS games. The only thing cyberpunk needs are "co-op" like how saints row the third did.
I just want Character Customization: Body Types, More Hairstyles etc
NG+ too
Bro, CDPR has gone full DEI mode, everything else is going to be shite.
Great advertising sold me on the game pre release. I just started playing it two weeks ago since I read about the bugs instead of experiencing them. Glad I waited, Phantom Liberty got me to start playing it.
Please dont go woke, pleaseeeeee dont go woke
What does "woke" even mean at this point?
@@CowwToools having force diversity in game, getting preached on every step of the game about how rainbow is cool and how anything traditional is off putting, white males showed aside because we are bunch of racists anyway we need more BIPOCs, overall shitty game because narrative will suffer for it.
I really hope Orion will have 3rd person as a gameplay option.
Hey can u make an video explaining step by step how to install mods ? i saw an mod video from u and went on nexus but im overwhelmed and a bit dump regarding some explainations from the side on how exactly to download them ?
Easiest is to do it in steps.
First the essentials that you need for everything put that in vortex.
Next get whatever else and TEST if it works. Then continue.
Don’t rush it, if you mess up by throwing in everything at once, you won’t know what mod is causing problems and you will have to start over
One thing I am hoping for in Cyberpunk: Orion is the added feature of a much deeper customization system for the main character. As while Cyberware and some features were improved compared to launch, I still feel we should’ve been able to make our own character that can be as diverse as the cast in Cyberpunk: Edgerunners. Choosing Cyberware and appearance modifications befitting of a brawler, Netrunner, sniper class etc.
And heck with such upgrades and modifications being specifically designed for a single class you build your character to be throughout the course of the game. Not to mention getting cosmetic cyberware like the gold or silver skin mods we saw some characters use or be as wild as some of the cyberware seen by other factions in the game.
Again maybe it can be so, or maybe not. But I am still really hoping to see a more deeper customization system added in the sequel.
The anime helped alot with the numbers i feel
A 2077 multiplayer mode would blow GTA out of the water
I remember when this game was still being talked about on the forums before it was about to come out. I, and several other people, were talking about the track record of the Witcher 3 and how it was a terrible pile of poo at release and then with a bit of work it finally became the masterpiece that we all know and love today. Everyone was dunking on me and even the moderators silenced me and removed comments that I posted but I had said that modders would save the game no matter what because of how badly we needed a good cyberpunk genre game. I myself had pledged to work on making mods and overhauls if no one else did. Just feels good to see that I was right after all this time even after all the censorship. There was even a ton of woke stuff planned to be shoved into the game and everyone was complaining and I was like dudes chill. The modding scene WILL set this game straight. I am so happy that CDProjeckt Red listened to the modding community and even hired them. Game companies should take this more seriously as the work they do is usually miles better than the quality their current employees can do.
If they add some smaller missions, uses for some abandoned buildings, add bikes to the roads instead of all cars and to be able to use the buggy thing you see. That would be perfect.
But any silly additions too would be great.
I am 50 street credit now and done all Dino gigs but still cannot get the Rayfield messages spawn when I go near the area, is that a bug ?
I could see CDPR implementing something like The Division, where a mass majority of the map is solo player, but have a seamless, zero-loading screen transition into a multi-player zone which has even better gear to find and collect but with a higher risk of advanced and dangerous enemy NPCs and other players. I don't see CDPR doing any kind of co-op, but if they did they'd be some preem gaming experience
One thing i want to note: That there are concerns out there, that agile development has not as much of a "benefit" as it is taught to have. Being in such a dev-environment myself, i could imagine that - but could be just me and my situation poorly executing agile dev.
What agile dev feels like, is more of fewer but longer phases compared to "waterfall" - and you can walk blindly half the way without committing to anything. Which in theory sounds good, but also means, that lot of the time you dev blindly, not knowing what you actually do - and re-iterate over base concepts potentially nullifying significant amount of time.
In conclusion, to me, agile developement feels like accepting bad management and/or decision making, since it allows to pull away from the course even at later stages.
But Ultimately, waterfall and agile dev aint that different. Waterfall still allows redirection of the course and falling "upstream", but does not plan to - but if need be, you can change direction of the flow - and agile is basically baby-waterfalls over and over again, but what - to me - can feel delusional.
Edit: To clarify the possibly contradiction here; I mean agile dev having lots of baby steps may feel like treading on the spot and not progressing - thus, always all the parts are involved and result in feeling of low pace.
Be happy if the progress is "low pace". Some agile variants go in the other extreme. That aside, I pretty much agree, though I would note that a fairly big problem with waterfalls is how early they decide what the project is and how hard it is to keep the goals of the project aligned with the actual needs of the customer.
What is that last bit in your video with Mama Welles in the Columbarium? Is that some mod? I never came across that quest...
I would love to try playing Witcher 3 again with multiple mods in a way where I don't have to merge multiple script modifications together line-by-line in a text editor.
Id prefer any cybernetic cosmetics for arms or legs or anything.
They really need to fix the bug where the news and radio hosts have no audio. Not game breaking but it sure is immersion breaking and its been an issue since 2.0
What it needs is for the Doon music to kick in during boss fights lol
Theirs still some parts of cyberpunk that’s needs to get fixed especially regarding the NPCs in the city, but I’ve been having a great time finishing up phantom liberty
Something else that would be nice, is to make the generic crowded areas, less crowded and give them a reason to have that area populated in the first place… like gaining trust of the little communities area you, and having a proper reputation aspect, not just one that gives you a discount on items… take what rdr2 did, and improve it. If your rep is good, the communities treat you better, if it’s bad, the communities will try to force you out of the area.
My only question about the multiplayer mod is how it will deal with Sandevistan. Will it be disabled, will it slow the game down for everyone not using it, or will it deal with it in some other way?
There is no way, gameplay-wise or logically, to keep Sandis in the game for multiple players.
Cyber punk has a saving issue if you bought it now where the game doesn’t let you continue any misssions and stays on the loading icon and you can’t make calls
Not a big fan of PVP but I do hope they make multiplayer happen. I love walking around Night City and enjoying the views there but sometimes it just feels lonely. Personally, I find it would be great if we are able to hang out with others in the Night City, check out their character designs, cars and maybe racing.
The first principal of Agile is "Have a WORKING product." Agile is a proven strategy as the game seamlessly integrated and worked perfectly in Phantom Liberty! I am almost 1000 hours in to 2077... A "greatest game of its generation" IMO.
Here's the thing about CyberPunk. It's dev team has shown us something very important that many other dev teams mess up ALL THE TIME! They care about the IP, and that if Orion is broken when it comes out, we KNOW it will be fixed, and will become amazing! They showed us their dedication to make a masterpiece, even if it isn't initially!
You sound like someone who would work at arasaka for free lol
You deserve your 70$ games to be unfinished at launch