John thank you for this demo. I use Kutzal burrs for fine carving and for making smoking pipes but I do not own their large disks. I have a bunch of the ones made in China, and they work well enough, but I would love to own a couple of their disks, too. So, this video has helped me decide which ones tremendously. I would suggest to anyone just starting out to buy the cheaper ones first. This way if you don't enjoy this type of carving you do not waste a lot of money. I've been using the cheaper ones for almost 8 months and I've honed the techniques of carving with the disks, so I am ready to invest more money into a higher quality disk. Thanks again, John. Happy Holidays!
An added note John. The cheaper aggressive disks are not meant for a fine finish. They are mainly used for initial bulk wood removal for roughing out your design. I have been using them for getting down to a roughed-out design, and then I come in with hand tools and flap sanding disks. It is the same thing as using a hatchet to remove the bulk of the wood first, then coming in with other hand tools like a spokeshave, files, carving knives, etc.
Wear your apron backwards (pockets in towards your body ) use a spread controller or variable speed angle grinder when your carving as the discs operate better at sub 8000 RPMS most grinders are 11000 this cuts better and discs last way longer .
I know what you mean. I've even found some in my bra! I did find a solution though, and thought I would pass it on to you. I bought the old-style, cotton surgical gown with a cuffed collar and wrist cuffs. It looks just like the ones they used on the TV show MASH. A 1950s-era gown that goes down to the top of your foot. I found it on a military surplus website, but anywhere they sell the surplus. It's hit or miss, but what I love about this gown is its dark green, so stains don't show up as much, the material is not too heavy and it covers me from my neck to the floor. They tie in the back, but I switched out the tie for longer ones. I just attached longer pieces of material so I could tie them in front. I could have even used long boot shoe laces. The one I received was too roomy for my body size, so this way, I could cinch it in front of me. It was a whole $7.00 too! The gown plus a face shield keeps 98% of the chips off of me. Best of luck and have fun. ;>) ~Dolly
The nut that holds the disc on is made for two different thickness’s of disc. If using a thick disc flip the nut to where the ring recedes into the disc. Also I wouldn’t suggest fine tuning the disc hole, a tighter fitting hole is way better than a sloppy hole. A nice round piece of wood (broom handle piece) can be used like a punch to get the nut out from the disc. A small pair of leather welding/gardening gloves would come in handy too, it helps from getting a boo-boo lol. But all in all great information on the disc’s and nice looking dish you carved.
Just seen this excellent video but bought the Pomsare set and a single Fine Kutzall (for finishing) a month ago for a one-off project in Pine. I couldn't justify buying several Kutzall given the price difference. The Pomsare set are fine on Pine as it is nice and soft. The Kutzall is vastly superior of course but also vastly more expensive. I had the same issue with the Pomsare hole size as you and had to run a file around the holes to enlarge slightly. Other than that they were fine for my one-off soft wood application and good value. If I was doing this work everyday I would buy a full Kutzall set no question. A good example of you get what you pay for.
Great video John. I had just bought the OBA flat disc just to have in stock in case I ever needed it. As soon as I have typed this, I will go to my shed and throw it straight in the bin! So glad you tried it and gave your opinion. It will have definitely saved someone from injury.
Great comparison John I’ve done quite a bit of carving using a grinder and I would like to say that what ever money you save with a cheap disc is quickly eliminated with the time spent trying to remove the discs from the grinder as you pointed out! Then you have the damage caused by the increase in the likelihood of a chip out. They are also more difficult to control when shaping so the desired outcome is not as precise as the user is hoping for. All this followed by more aggressive sanding is required to remove the deeper gouges so add in the cost of consuming more flap wheels. The biggest concern being safety for all the above and those reasons you covered in this video. I agree 100% with the old adage “ You Get What you pay for”. I am a Kutzall affiliate because I’m impressed with their quality and my results with their discs. If you would like to see some really cool contrasting colors in your carving give Shou Sugi ban and red cedar a try the color contrast is amazing. I’ve done a few videos with this medium if you wanna see what I’m referring to. Excellent video!
Great timing again. I've just started my first mushroom carving. I have a set of the cheapo chinese disks. Will be off now to get some Kutzall's as you recommend. Thanks for taking the time to test these out.
Thanks for doing this video, John. I really appreciate your honesty in this. I think I'll stick with the Kutzalls. I don't like grinders in general because they can cause so much damage so quickly. I do think the grinder has a place in this kind of woodworking though. Although I would probably start out a bowl in oak with a hand tool like and adze or some kind of large scooping tool. Then maybe finess with the Kutzall fine disks. Thanks again, John! Always enjoy your videos. Very well done audio and highest quality video.
Was thinking of getting some of these ....... now see why I will have to wait till I can afford the Kutzall. You saved me some money & probably a few fingers, so cheers to you & thanks for a good informative vid !!!!
another solid video! I've heard many people say to stay away from the cheap carving discs, for the same reasons you mentioned! I'd be curious to see what you think of the Arbortech turbo plane carving tools. From what I've seen they remove material very well, but it's actual blades, so it produces way less dust as well. Anyway, cheers from Pennsylvania!
Thanks John. Those black 1's did a fine job of turning yer electric bill into noise. Sharps and gloves are a good combo. Heal well. Take care & stay safe.
Great video fella, definitely showed the benefits of the decent ones. I have one of the garbage ones, but only tried it once and it was a bit sketchy lol
Cheers John, These things terrify me so I'm unlikely to be trying this anytime soon but thanks to you I know which ones I'd be going for if I ever had the need. Hopefully the fingers are mended OK.
Thank you for doing the homework on these so "WE" don't have to I have been checking out these different cutting discs video's and they all pretty much say the same thing about the cheaper ones that their not comfortable using them and they could be dangerous. After watching your video I think that I will make the investment on the kutzall brand again because their safer and they have a lot more longevity. thank you again!!
While I'm not planning on doing any carving any time soon, I know I'll try it at some point. Very informative vid. I hate using the angle grinder, just not my favourite tool at the best of times.
Hi John, not related but thought i'd ask. I have just bought a kity 1619 and it has a 20 amp plug...i see you ran yours on a 13 amp plug...did you have any issues doing this? thanks
Cracking video john looks wicked. I have couple the cheap ones and yes i agree they are grabby although didnt have the arbour issue you did. I am planning saving for the kutzal ones. More these video's please 🏴👍
My concern is safety issues...the angle grinder is one of the most dangerous power tool that there is, i am using it from time to time on cutting metal, tiles and on bricks. I saw injuries because of not using it properly and in safety manners ( used by professionals)Removing the angle grinder safety guard is a big no no! You holding settings of the wood is also not safe ( you must fasten the wood both sides). The grinder can kick back to you and it can be happend even with high hand cutters! Wood have got fibers so it won't act predictable like metal or tiles.... Safty first
I think you’ve just scared me. Specially with my sight loss don’t think Art uses. Might just stick to the old-fashioned tools, good old hands and sweat, building a Windsor chair and hollering out the base thought about getting one of these but I want. I’ll deafly not have many things left. 0:37
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed@John McGrath, thank you for this video. I’d just started researching these for a project I’ve got going and your timing is perfect. The review you provide is extremely helpful and the safety concerns, more than anything, do it for me. Kutzall will have me as a new customer. Again, MUCH appreciated!
Not surprised. Cheap abrasives, drill bits, blades, router bits, etc are almost never worth it. They are the part that does the cutting. Better to have a cheap drill with a quality bit than the opposite.
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John thank you for this demo. I use Kutzal burrs for fine carving and for making smoking pipes but I do not own their large disks. I have a bunch of the ones made in China, and they work well enough, but I would love to own a couple of their disks, too. So, this video has helped me decide which ones tremendously.
I would suggest to anyone just starting out to buy the cheaper ones first. This way if you don't enjoy this type of carving you do not waste a lot of money. I've been using the cheaper ones for almost 8 months and I've honed the techniques of carving with the disks, so I am ready to invest more money into a higher quality disk. Thanks again, John. Happy Holidays!
An added note John. The cheaper aggressive disks are not meant for a fine finish. They are mainly used for initial bulk wood removal for roughing out your design. I have been using them for getting down to a roughed-out design, and then I come in with hand tools and flap sanding disks. It is the same thing as using a hatchet to remove the bulk of the wood first, then coming in with other hand tools like a spokeshave, files, carving knives, etc.
I need a woodworking apron for this carving game. My pockets are full of dust!!
Battery blower or compressed air to the rescue :D
I feel an apron review coming out soon
Wear your apron backwards (pockets in towards your body ) use a spread controller or variable speed angle grinder when your carving as the discs operate better at sub 8000 RPMS most grinders are 11000 this cuts better and discs last way longer .
I know what you mean. I've even found some in my bra! I did find a solution though, and thought I would pass it on to you. I bought the old-style, cotton surgical gown with a cuffed collar and wrist cuffs. It looks just like the ones they used on the TV show MASH. A 1950s-era gown that goes down to the top of your foot. I found it on a military surplus website, but anywhere they sell the surplus. It's hit or miss, but what I love about this gown is its dark green, so stains don't show up as much, the material is not too heavy and it covers me from my neck to the floor. They tie in the back, but I switched out the tie for longer ones. I just attached longer pieces of material so I could tie them in front. I could have even used long boot shoe laces. The one I received was too roomy for my body size, so this way, I could cinch it in front of me. It was a whole $7.00 too! The gown plus a face shield keeps 98% of the chips off of me. Best of luck and have fun.
;>) ~Dolly
The nut that holds the disc on is made for two different thickness’s of disc. If using a thick disc flip the nut to where the ring recedes into the disc. Also I wouldn’t suggest fine tuning the disc hole, a tighter fitting hole is way better than a sloppy hole. A nice round piece of wood (broom handle piece) can be used like a punch to get the nut out from the disc. A small pair of leather welding/gardening gloves would come in handy too, it helps from getting a boo-boo lol. But all in all great information on the disc’s and nice looking dish you carved.
Just seen this excellent video but bought the Pomsare set and a single Fine Kutzall (for finishing) a month ago for a one-off project in Pine. I couldn't justify buying several Kutzall given the price difference. The Pomsare set are fine on Pine as it is nice and soft. The Kutzall is vastly superior of course but also vastly more expensive. I had the same issue with the Pomsare hole size as you and had to run a file around the holes to enlarge slightly. Other than that they were fine for my one-off soft wood application and good value. If I was doing this work everyday I would buy a full Kutzall set no question. A good example of you get what you pay for.
Freak'n loved this. I've purchased and used a few Kutzall discs over the years, and the price was always painful. But it looks like they're worth it!
Great video John. I had just bought the OBA flat disc just to have in stock in case I ever needed it. As soon as I have typed this, I will go to my shed and throw it straight in the bin! So glad you tried it and gave your opinion. It will have definitely saved someone from injury.
Glad to help Andrew
Great reviews. I think a pair of gloves when changing any of those blades would be a must. especially for the cheap ones . They look dangerous.
Great comparison John I’ve done quite a bit of carving using a grinder and I would like to say that what ever money you save with a cheap disc is quickly eliminated with the time spent trying to remove the discs from the grinder as you pointed out! Then you have the damage caused by the increase in the likelihood of a chip out. They are also more difficult to control when shaping so the desired outcome is not as precise as the user is hoping for. All this followed by more aggressive sanding is required to remove the deeper gouges so add in the cost of consuming more flap wheels. The biggest concern being safety for all the above and those reasons you covered in this video. I agree 100% with the old adage “ You Get What you pay for”. I am a Kutzall affiliate because I’m impressed with their quality and my results with their discs. If you would like to see some really cool contrasting colors in your carving give Shou Sugi ban and red cedar a try the color contrast is amazing. I’ve done a few videos with this medium if you wanna see what I’m referring to. Excellent video!
Thanks for the tip. I'll check out your videos.
Its nice to see a good honest review that you can trust. Thank you John.
Great timing again. I've just started my first mushroom carving. I have a set of the cheapo chinese disks. Will be off now to get some Kutzall's as you recommend. Thanks for taking the time to test these out.
Thanks
Thanks you very much!
Buy once, cry once! Thank you for the high quality videos, through your woodworking journey.
Thanks for doing this video, John. I really appreciate your honesty in this. I think I'll stick with the Kutzalls. I don't like grinders in general because they can cause so much damage so quickly. I do think the grinder has a place in this kind of woodworking though. Although I would probably start out a bowl in oak with a hand tool like and adze or some kind of large scooping tool. Then maybe finess with the Kutzall fine disks. Thanks again, John! Always enjoy your videos. Very well done audio and highest quality video.
No problem!
Was thinking of getting some of these ....... now see why I will have to wait till I can afford the Kutzall. You saved me some money & probably a few fingers, so cheers to you & thanks for a good informative vid !!!!
Glad I could help!
Good video, but I want a log debarking tool. I wonder which is quickest and safest for that?
I bloody love your videos, really pleased you’re back making some content! Long may it continue 😊
Cheers Gareth
another solid video! I've heard many people say to stay away from the cheap carving discs, for the same reasons you mentioned! I'd be curious to see what you think of the Arbortech turbo plane carving tools. From what I've seen they remove material very well, but it's actual blades, so it produces way less dust as well. Anyway, cheers from Pennsylvania!
Thanks John. Those black 1's did a fine job of turning yer electric bill into noise. Sharps and gloves are a good combo. Heal well. Take care & stay safe.
Cheers Doug
Great video well done, john. p's do you have a link for the kutzall disc please 👍
Great video fella, definitely showed the benefits of the decent ones. I have one of the garbage ones, but only tried it once and it was a bit sketchy lol
Cheers John, These things terrify me so I'm unlikely to be trying this anytime soon but thanks to you I know which ones I'd be going for if I ever had the need. Hopefully the fingers are mended OK.
All good now thanks
Thank you for doing the homework on these so "WE" don't have to I have been checking out these different cutting discs video's and they all pretty much say the same thing about the cheaper ones that their not comfortable using them and they could be dangerous. After watching your video I think that I will make the investment on the kutzall brand again because their safer and they have a lot more longevity. thank you again!!
Glad to help
While I'm not planning on doing any carving any time soon, I know I'll try it at some point. Very informative vid. I hate using the angle grinder, just not my favourite tool at the best of times.
Not my favourite tool either.
Great video, and yes cheap is cheap no matter what manufacturer. Hope you heal well
Thanks 👍
Thanks for taking one for the team. We got a great review out of it though thanks mate.
You are welcome
Thanks John, great instructional Video. sorry you hurt your finger, hope it gets better real soon. Looking forward to your next video.
Thanks 👍
What is your finish you used?
Thanks John for the review as always buy cheap buy twice 👌
No problem 👍
Try putting a screw in oposite ends like toe nailing, to hold it done
Great tool review and definitely good advice “buy cheap by twice” hope the fingers get better soon and the dish looks very cool
Thanks 👍
Hi John, not related but thought i'd ask. I have just bought a kity 1619 and it has a 20 amp plug...i see you ran yours on a 13 amp plug...did you have any issues doing this?
thanks
Nice review. I thought about buying some cheap discs. But now I am NOT. Thank you John 🙂
Glad to help
Great video !! Where have you been before I bought the cheap one 😫but now I just ordered the good ones!!Thank you for the video
Glad I could help!
THANKS POR THE REVIEW
No problem
Looks great to me. Thanks
No problem 👍
Jou try out the Trent diamond stones I stay in Cape Town South Africa where can I order it from
Cracking video john looks wicked. I have couple the cheap ones and yes i agree they are grabby although didnt have the arbour issue you did. I am planning saving for the kutzal ones. More these video's please 🏴👍
Cheers Michael
Cheers John. Youve saved me from a lifelong habit of buying cheap twice...
Glad to help.
Just wanted to swing by this channel and mention I really enjoyed your whiskey channel. Any chance you might resume that at some point? Cheers!
I would like to, but it's hard to find the time.
I Love the Accent
Great review John
Thanks
Have you seen the arbor tech discs, I’m wondering if they are worth the high price tag too, they seem to have large too the options, great video 👍
I have but they were not in the budget for this video
My concern is safety issues...the angle grinder is one of the most dangerous power tool that there is, i am using it from time to time on cutting metal, tiles and on bricks. I saw injuries because of not using it properly and in safety manners ( used by professionals)Removing the angle grinder safety guard is a big no no! You holding settings of the wood is also not safe ( you must fasten the wood both sides). The grinder can kick back to you and it can be happend even with high hand cutters! Wood have got fibers so it won't act predictable like metal or tiles....
Safty first
Hi John. Thanks for the review. Have you considered the Arbortech carving discs? Ive heard they are fantastic.
Hi Brian, I looked at the Arbortech but at nearly €150 a disc they were not in the budget for this video. I would like to try them though.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShedhi John do you have links to the more expensive ones plz
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@@JohnMcGrathManInShed hi John ty sir can you do anouther hand tool build video plz sir
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed yes very true. I’ve also been looking at their mini carver but it’s a big outlay for a very niche use.
I got 6 stitches in my finger today after a brush with one of the cheap discs. Wish I'd watched this video sooner!
Good review but I think I'll stick to hand carving with a mallet and chisels
Great video ❤❤it😊
Glad you enjoyed it
I think you’ve just scared me. Specially with my sight loss don’t think Art uses. Might just stick to the old-fashioned tools, good old hands and sweat, building a Windsor chair and hollering out the base thought about getting one of these but I want. I’ll deafly not have many things left. 0:37
Better off with the hand tools Paul.
when the packaging has a German spelling error on the front you know it's going to be high quality…😂
🤣
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed@John McGrath, thank you for this video. I’d just started researching these for a project I’ve got going and your timing is perfect. The review you provide is extremely helpful and the safety concerns, more than anything, do it for me. Kutzall will have me as a new customer. Again, MUCH appreciated!
@roadtriplover. Glad I could help
We call the cheap ones “the widow maker “
They are lol
I think I would feel safer with a carving bar on my chainsaw than those cheap disks, at least my hands are out of the way with that.
Not surprised. Cheap abrasives, drill bits, blades, router bits, etc are almost never worth it. They are the part that does the cutting. Better to have a cheap drill with a quality bit than the opposite.
What is a tree disc set?
i learned that the Kutzall brand is far superior to the Chinese made blades. Thanks.
I'm glad the video was useful
"Cheap tool maker here...", replies noone.
There was blood, sweat, and tears in this video.
There certainly was
a decent ads would have given you more fun.
I'm look at getting a carving axe and a adze, but they are for green wood, they would be useless on seasoned oak.