The cartoon version was far better than all these crap. Who needs to see an interaction when we already knew that they had a fall out in their early lives?
@@lawrenceottih everyone interested in their dynamic? Thats like saying we did not need to see Golden Age Arc in Berserk and then subsequent Guts Griffith interaction.
@@danielmedjedovic7068 obi: DUDE WHY CALL YOUR BROTHER LIKE THAT HAVE YOU NO SHAME! maul: actually that his name Obi: oh wow what kind of parents is cruel enough to name their son savage
Well Daniel Dae Kim has been in Avatar before, he was an Earth Kingdom general in Book Two and was Asami's dad in Korra. He was also Johnny Gat in Saints Row.
@@Tristanbelief Question? Feats does Iroh even have? He's expirenced and that's about it. Creators says Ozai is the strongest fire bender at the time and during the comet Ozai showed more feats. What can iroh even do?
@@mr.j9125 iroh is overrated simple as that LOL he's an outta shape fat old man at this current stage. he probably had more potential early on in their primes. But it always seemed like iron feared ozai or else he would've put a stop to him by now. he let the world go into shit when he could've did something about it
@@magdaber3406I think in the comics Ozai disrespect Iroh in the funeral, saying that he is weak after losing his son. That makes his father very angry and order to him kill Zuko to make him know what feels lose a son.
@@sinisteressem8563I kinda think Azulon could think that Ozai was the reason Lu Ten was killed at first place (Ozai wanted the power but there were two people in front of him: Iroh and Lu Ten)
Nah Ozai was a little shit; he tried to take the right to the throne from Iroh by using his Lu Tens death and his retreat from Ba Sing to get their father too kick him out; Sozan bitched him out for it, and Zukos mother poisoned him so that Ozai wouldn’t kill Zuko since Sozan was saying he should feel the loss of a son like Iroh, but of course Ozai wouldn’t give a shit since he values Azula.
I hope Iroh in original tried to stop Agni Kai too just off-screen because there's NO WAY Iroh couldn't know there would be Ozai instead of general and ignore the fact his nephew would get really hurt 😢
It’s a different take on Ozai for sure, but honestly, it kind of works. One thing about the cartoons is that it was IMPLIED that Ozai wasn’t always an absolute monster, that things “changed” as Zuko got older. But we never see that. It would make sense for there to be at least something making it seem understandable why Zuko would want to be around him in the first place. In the comics, he jumped into the ocean to save Zuko’s life as a baby. In his world, success and power are right and wrong. You are either on his good side or his enemy
Yeah, the comics flashbacks made him appear less threatening and almost ridiculous in his spite toward young Zuko. Like why tf would Zuko even want to go home if his had was on his ass 24/7 for just existing?
Nah, he still is a complete monster. It's just that he is good at hiding it when he needs to. Also, saving your own baby is what just about anyone would do regardless of their morality.
@@Avid027 Fiction has this Darth Vader syndrome where they view bad people beng nice to their offspring as a sign they aren't bad people. When IRL bad people are almost always nice to their relatives unless theres a specific reason not to be.
Basically the nazi way which I always saw the method of the fire nation as like Nazis remember when Zhao said fire the "superior" element basically like Nazis who see themselves the superior race but with the fire nation it made more sense since their element didn't required to be next to them to use it which is why it makes sense for them to think of themselves superior
I think that at least partially was due to factors outside their control. They didn't really bother with Ozai in Books 1 and 2, and by Book 3 Iroh's role was reduced heavily mostly because of the original actor's death
@@0predaking0 yeah I saw that the zuko being a decendent of both fire lord sozin and avatar Roku wasn't a mistake which my jaw dropped I can believe this dushbag has done the same
There's something so interesting about how Ozai "comforts" Iroh. Think about it. Iroh didn't just lose his son, Ozai lost HIS nephew. And yet he's phrasing it as a "sacrifice for the nation." He valued Lu Ten because he was a useful tool of a soldier, not because he thought of him the way Iroh views Zuko. Like family. You can actually tell he has no emotional bonded connection to Lu Ten, but he's putting on a mask of empathy, like a politician.
You can see it with his kids too. When he chastises Azula, he's genuinely annoyed with her, but he is only pleased with Zuko because it benefits him in the long run. And Ozai knows that if both his children are fighting each for his approval then they will do anything he asks. It's purely to keep Azula in his control, not because he actually cares about Zuko's accomplishments.
@@ericnierstedt6242 why wouldn't Ozai care about Zuko's accomplishments a narcissist like him would obviously see his Son achievements being Thanks to his guidance 😂
@@ericnierstedt6242 I think that Ozai sees himself as this great father that is only trying to bring up the best out of his children, while trying to erradicate any sign of weakeness. The fact Zuko started to stand out after he discovered the Avatar gave Ozai to perfect way to push not only his son, but also Azula beyond their limits. By putting the two siblings up against one another, he is shaping the perfect successor. Most likely, this behavior of his was influenced by his own competitive relationship with Iroh when they were young.
I like How Ozai and Iroh actually seem to care about each other here. Cartoon Ozai clearly had no care for Iroh he stole his birth right with no remorse,Never bothered to see him in prison and anytime he did mentioned him was in a mocking tone
Seeing as Ozai addressed Iroh as “brother” and even put his hand on his shoulder trying to comfort him over Lu Ten’s death, it seems that the Netflix Ozai does love his family. He even had tears in his eyes when he burned Zuko.
I don't know. I think he was just paying lip service. Doing what was expected. There were two other chairs set up. One for Ozai, and presumably for Azula. But Zuko was the only one who decided to stay.
He was still an excellent manipulator in the og show. Remember when Zuko confronted him? "If you have any real courage you'll stick around until the sun comes out. Don't you want to know what happened to your mother?" We don't see a lot of Ozai in general but the glimpses we get show a very cunning manipulator. He's clearly not just a brute.
The humanization of Ozai is one of the best changes Netflix made. Him caring about Zuko, acknowledging his accomplishments and clearly respecting his brother Iroh is something I really liked. In the show he had genuine contempt for both his son and his brother but in the Netflix show there seems to be far more to Ozai than in the original. Hopefully we'll see more of Ozai/Zuko and Ozai/Iroh interactions in seasons 2 and 3. Should Netflix greenlight them of course
Agree with @@Mediados The no-shits given Ozai from the cartoon was much more intimidating. One thing I do agree with in this comment secion is that it is interesting to see Ozai and Iroh talk.
@@Mediadosyes, Ozai was giving more respect to Zuko and Iroh, and give Azula a hard lesson. Unlike in animation while Azula was a pride for Ozai and the fire nation
It also amplifies how evil and cruel he is because, as opposed to OG Ozai just seeming like an unfeeling and cruel overlord, this Ozai seems a lot more like he actively was evil and cruel by choice
If they do another flashback episode in season 2, I wanna see how live action Ozai interacts with Azulon regarding Lu Ten's death and Iroh's claim to the throne since Iroh was originally Azulon's heir due to being his firstborn. And I hope we get to see how Azulon died because in the original, Ozai mentioned that Zuko's mother Ursa helped him become Firelord in exchange for Zuko's life to be spared. And I'm curious, who do you guys think will be good as Firelord Azulon and Ursa?
@@Gadget-WalkmenThis Ozai is definitely still evil, but he also seems more human, which I like. Ozai in the original series was just a one dimensional megalomaniac.
@@cptndunsel2670 I'm against that as Ozai in the original series WORKS perfectly as calm and focused megalomanic leader who cares about proving one's strength for his nation, as not every villain needs to be "more human" AT ALL to work perfectly as an antagonist and as a villain character, you badly trying to think that he needs to be is a wrong way of thinking as not every Ozai being proud of the people who are able to prove their worth like Azula, and eventually Zuko when he believes he's the one who killed the Avatar is enough. It's not "one dimensional", it's more focused on trying to display on how much of threat he is to everyone and it goes to show that he's so much of a threat that he needs to be taken out, that it makes sense that everyone WANTS Aang to kill him at the very end, despite Aang not wanting too. A villain can be pure evil and still be fleshed out to be third dimensional people who are STILL evil, like Azula, Joker, Homelander, Darth Maul, Tywin Lannister, Joffrey, Cersei.
I have enjoyed the Netflix version, better than I thought, and I do love the fact they introduce new things, such as Ozai and Iroh finally talking. Plus Aang talking to the other Avatars sooner, other than Roku.
I like this bit and dynamic. We never got to see interactions between Iron and Ozai in the original cartoon, which is something a lot of people would have liked to see. The actors really gave it their all and it really shows the character difference between the brothers.
I notice that Ozai in this isn't exactly like in the original show. He's still a horrible father, but whereas Ozai in the show never hid his contempt for Zuko, straight up telling him as a child that he wanted to disown him for not appearing to be a bender until the Fire Sages stepped in, this Ozai puts on a show of "this is for your own good".
That seems to be a reflection of Imperial Japan during WW2. The Fire Nation’s culture warped as a result of 100 years war the same way Japan’s culture was utilized to turn their military into cruel and inhumane monsters that ravaged civilians and soldiers alike in WW2. Ozai is a product of his time and a reflection of a nation under 100 years of brutal war. Iroh too was part of this till he lost his son and underwent a deep psychological and spiritual revitalization that made him change.
@@Justin-ui5ti The Japanese never Ravaged any Civilians That's American propaganda. The truth is The Japanese soldiers avoided attacking Civilians, And injured Soldiers, when they attacked pearl harbor,They faught the War with honor, but American use That attacked as a excuse for they, Themselves to murder millions of Women and children, yet history is Written by The victor even so sooner or later The truth always comes out.
@@davidcarty7584He said he wanted to get rid of him in the comics but was begged not too, then his father Azulon wanted Ozai to kill Zuko as a punishment for trying to take the throne. Pretty messed up, I see where Ozai gets his evil nature from. 😂
I knew Daniel Dae Kim would knock this role out of the park from the moment it was announced. I can't wait to see this man truly wrathful. That was perfect casting.
At least this Ozai seems to have something that resembles a brain. He’s an actual good strategist and ain’t a cartoonish Evil Villain like in the Show. Ozai’s character was kinda wasted there. I also like how he scolded Azula and actually teaches her and Zuko in what HE thinks is right. In the Show Ozai was basically a two dimensional villain who was a horrible strategist and incredibly incompetent at most times. Also Iroh finally shows something that resembles a Spine instead of waiting till everything is basically lost
@@sckaze777 Ozai was pretty boring in terms of character. Just a raging psychopath and nothing more. However, he wasn't incompetent. He was very good at manipulation and acknowledged the merit behind the idea of scorching the Earth Kingdom with the power of Sozin's Comet.
I will give this live-action adaptation credit. I really like the Iroh we get here. By no means is he superior to Mako’s Iroh, but this guy does his own thing and still captures the lovable wise caring nature of everyone’s favorite uncle.
I'm so glad they didn't make Ozai the embodiment of evil in this version. His desire for his children to be both mentally and physically strong is surprisingly parental.
More Ozai definitely was the redeeming part of the live action. DDK really brought his A game to portrayal of the Firelord as obsessed with power at all costs and his brutality is really shown here which the cartoon only hints at during book 1. I definitely want to see a scene of the Firelord's reaction to Iroh going with Zuko in another flashback
I think what's interesting about Ozai and Uncle Iroh is the different parenting, I think it hinted that both of them were abused by Azulon. It shows that Uncle Iroh was a good father to Lu Ten and a great father figure to Zuko because he doesn't want to be like his father, so he broke the family abuse cycle, while Ozai became an abuser because he thinks that his father's abused made him stronger, and that he abused his children to make them strong like him. So to me, Uncle Iroh is not only the strongest firebender than Ozai, he's also mentally stronger than Ozai
It was never hinted that they were abused, especially not Iroh. Azulon has shown to care for him as he didn't hold Iroh's failure against him and was angry at Ozai for trying to take advantage of Iroh in his time of grief.
Ozai: The doctor said you'll reoperate quickly its a sign your body is strong that's good Zuko: You set me on fire piss off. Ozai: Do I need to burn your other eye Zuko?
Agreed. Really wonder what their reason is for making the scar look "pretty" (not sure how else to describe it). I've seen it done better by cosplayers. I wonder whether or not they will change it for a possible season two 'cause a lot of people have criticized this one aspect.
It’s cool to have Johnny Gat in this show. That’s how I knew Daniel dae Kim originally but I did find out he was in avatar the last airbender on Nickelodeon and the Legend of Korra.
I kind of wish we had a scene with Ozai and Iroh back when I was watching avatar the last Airbender the TV show on Nickelodeon. But looking at the scene I actually get a full understanding about was really going on and the interaction between the brothers. I actually like Netflix for doing that
Just realizing I know we all knew that Iroh was the older brother but looking and him and Ozai I can really see that there must be a significant age gap between them it's either that or the hardship of losing Lu ten and the realization of how no one is winning in this war has aged Iroh greatly stress can age people. And people are really sleeping on that last interaction they had " He's hurt, he'll recover, but he will never heal" that kind of trauma has a lasting impression Ozai humiliated Zuko , ozai is defeated and imprisoned for life I believe that when he was on his death bed Zuko forgave him not for him but for himself knowing that carrying that kind of hate can posion you and when you forgive someone you are allowing yourself to truly heal.
Ozai in Netflix sounds like a father who has no choice to discipline to strengthen Zuko but the Ozai in the animated series is like straight effed up cruel
I wish Iroh's regular line delivery and tone was a bit closer to the og show. I feel like moments where he sounds serious, like when he intervened between Ozai and Zuko, would have hit 10000x harder
I really want to see a moment at the end or towards the end of the saga where iroh and ozai have a real moment... one of the very few shortcomings of the original show. Without a doubt the fire nation carried the first season
It wouldn't make sense for them now to do it because iroh saw it as wrong for the balance of the world, but maybe some flashback of their younger versions could be good
As sacrilege as it is to say, I like this version of Ozai more than the animation version (no disrespect to Mark Hamill he is👑). What makes this version so interesting to me is that he is not a one-dimensional caricature. He actually seems to have some moments of tenderness towards Zuko but these are rare and peppered in with his sadistic side with unrealistic expectations and abuse.
Probably the only good change made in the adaptation was having Iroh and Ozai directly interact, even if it came at the cost of making Iroh look spineless because of his inability to ever actually stand up to Ozai in a meaningful way without radically altering the plot.
In my opinion, this version of Ozai stands alongside the original. The original was perfect for what the animated series was going for. He didn't need to have much of a character outside of being an evil basterd you *want* to see defeated. He was almost more of a force of nature than a character and *that's completely fine* But having this version *does* expose a flaw in the original, specifically in that Ozai had some implied depth, but nothing more. He and Iroh never even share a single onscreen conversation. Here, you get the sense that, while Ozai is still an absolute basterd, he's got a lot more going on. He seems to truly and genuinely respect Iroh and believes that the way he's raising his children is *good for them* , all the while still blatantly playing on their insecurities to get them to do what he wants. And seeing Iroh openly defy him and call him brother instead of Fire Lord, with Ozai seemingly acknowledging his older brother's counsel is really interesting. Now compare this to the original where at times you'd be forgiven for forgetting the two are even related lol
You’re right, but I think Ozai had some depth in the original series too. According to Zuko and Azula, and confirmed by Ozai himself in the comics, there was a time he unconditionally loved his kids and tried to be a good father and husband. But his lust for power, his jealousy of Iroh, and his and Ursa’s hate for each other drove him into the deep end. That said, the Netflix Ozai is genuinely likable and kind of sympathetic. He loves Iroh and he was tearful when he burned Zuko. The original Ozai was selfish, but it seems that the Netflix Ozai is just delusional.
I can see that they've sent the bots out to defend, it was that Ozai's sheer lust for the grandeur and power that his predecessor sozin possessed that pushed him to lock his wife away, scorch his son, corrupt his daughter, and raise the armies of the fire nation up to even greater heights for the coming of the comet. His plans could not be foiled, every piece of his insanity laid to perfection, for if his armies were not ready, the world would not burn under his might and wrath
In the comics, it was apparent that Ozai had a bit of an inferiority complex because Azulon basically always favored Iroh over him. Ozai always sought to gain his father's favor over his older brother. It fed into his dislike of Zuko, his eldest born, and his favoring of his youngest, Azula.
@@gamermaster1998 it was really forced. I dont know how to describe it but it felt like the writers have a profound dialogue quota they have to fill for each episode.
I like the original voice from Ozai in the Netflix Version. I watch the German version. The syncronised voice of him is also good too but the original voice killing 🔥
It is not easy to determine who would win in a fight between these 2 however it's safe to say that the collateral damage they would cause would be great. That's probably why Iroh didn't volunteer to fight in Zuko's place, that and Ozai would not have accepted it and Iroh didn't believe Ozai would have gone as far as he did in his fight with Zuko.
I appreciate this version of Ozai way more than the animated counterpart. The original Ozai was a shallow, overhyped wannabe with clique personality traits and motives. In the original, they tell us that he'll be Team Avatar's primary archnemesis, he can only ever lose to a fully realized master avatar, and he wasn't always a monster, but never bothered to show either, fundamentally breaking the "show, don't tell" rule. So far, this reboot is correcting those egregious oversights.
This Ozai seems a lot more misguided and indoctrinated rather than pure evil like the animated version. He actually seems to respect Iroh and even care for Zuko in his own fucked up way. This version reminds me of my own father.
@@raymeester7883The animated Ozai was still evil but also still indoctrinated as well. If you watched the S3 E2 The Headband episode form the animated show Iroh and Ozai’s grandfather Firelord Sozin altered the Fire Nation records and made them teach pro Fire nation propaganda in school. It would have likely be the same for Ozai and Iroh attending school as boys.
I know people didn't like how they handled Ozai in the adaptation, but keep in mind. Yes, it's an adaptation, so they are allowed to change things. What the writers are doing is trying to make Ozai more of a layered character, which honestly, I don't mind. But am still curious how that will affect Zuko's redemption and his wife's backstory.
As amazing as the original cartoon was, not having Iroh and Ozai interact ONCE was one of its missteps, imo.
Nahhh they definitely had a relationship growing up, Ozai used to look up to Iroh @user-ul6gb1uo7e
Right, it was just one talking crap about the other when they weren't in the room.
The cartoon version was far better than all these crap.
Who needs to see an interaction when we already knew that they had a fall out in their early lives?
@@lawrenceottih everyone interested in their dynamic? Thats like saying we did not need to see Golden Age Arc in Berserk and then subsequent Guts Griffith interaction.
To be honest I felt like it established that Iroh and Ozai were not even on speaking terms at all. It was that bad.
That moment when you realize that Maul and Savage had a healthier relationship than these two
Hello there
@@falconeshield Obi-wan Kenobi!
I'm Maul
this is Savage
Savage was treated better by Maul than any Sith apprentice was by their master. By a very wide margin.
@@danielmedjedovic7068 obi: DUDE WHY CALL YOUR BROTHER LIKE THAT HAVE YOU NO SHAME!
maul: actually that his name
Obi: oh wow what kind of parents is cruel enough to name their son savage
The actor of Ozai could play Zaheer too and I wouldnt mind it. LMAO He captured the intimidating presence in the show.
Oh definitely, if they'll make a korra adaptation, they better hire the actors of this version for aang as an adult 😂
Well Daniel Dae Kim has been in Avatar before, he was an Earth Kingdom general in Book Two and was Asami's dad in Korra. He was also Johnny Gat in Saints Row.
@@jonathaneilbeck2263 This is Johnny Gat? Holy shit, that's amazing. If only the writing was as good as the casting. He nailed Ozai.
If this continues doing good I hope they do Korra in the future
Nah Zaheer must be Henry Rollins
Iroh to his brother: You're lucky I've lost the will to fight or I'd be using you're burning corpse to heat my tea...
I like that
Not Ozai stronger
I hope Ozai could, but sorry Dragon of the West baby would burn Ozai's coprse without even trying 🤷♂
@@Tristanbelief Question? Feats does Iroh even have? He's expirenced and that's about it. Creators says Ozai is the strongest fire bender at the time and during the comet Ozai showed more feats. What can iroh even do?
@@mr.j9125 iroh is overrated simple as that LOL he's an outta shape fat old man at this current stage. he probably had more potential early on in their primes. But it always seemed like iron feared ozai or else he would've put a stop to him by now. he let the world go into shit when he could've did something about it
To think that Iroh And Ozai did not have any conversation in the animated series makes me feel grateful for this live action series. ❤
Of course, they never interacted in the series
I don’t think they interacted in the sequel comics either
@@joshuarosen1862they should have tho, that was a huge missed opportunity frfr
They probably should have though. They always sort of ignored the dynamic in the animated series.
@Longtail626 the comics don't count,we shouldn't have waited all these years to see it in a,book
Love how Ozai lets Iroh adress him as brother instead of Fire Lord, really shows the bond between them
I have the impression that in the funeral scene he sincerely wanted to support him
@@magdaber3406I think in the comics Ozai disrespect Iroh in the funeral, saying that he is weak after losing his son.
That makes his father very angry and order to him kill Zuko to make him know what feels lose a son.
@@sinisteressem8563I kinda think Azulon could think that Ozai was the reason Lu Ten was killed at first place (Ozai wanted the power but there were two people in front of him: Iroh and Lu Ten)
Nah Ozai was a little shit; he tried to take the right to the throne from Iroh by using his Lu Tens death and his retreat from Ba Sing to get their father too kick him out; Sozan bitched him out for it, and Zukos mother poisoned him so that Ozai wouldn’t kill Zuko since Sozan was saying he should feel the loss of a son like Iroh, but of course Ozai wouldn’t give a shit since he values Azula.
@@dustindubbo2892 Sozin is Ozai and Iroh's Grandfather. Firelord Azulon is their father and the one who ordered Zuko's death.
Having Iroh try and call off the Agni Kai really enhanced he and Zuko's father-son bond. Definitely one of the best changes they made.
I hope Iroh in original tried to stop Agni Kai too just off-screen because there's NO WAY Iroh couldn't know there would be Ozai instead of general and ignore the fact his nephew would get really hurt 😢
also the fact we now know the crew like why them and it was priceless and just made me clap my hands so hard
@@ashlynwolff or he like he said in the original I could only close my eyes to be fair it was very crouded
Is always funny to see losers try and make mental gymnastics to justify this shit adaptations...
You people are crazy if you think any changes were needed
It’s a different take on Ozai for sure, but honestly, it kind of works. One thing about the cartoons is that it was IMPLIED that Ozai wasn’t always an absolute monster, that things “changed” as Zuko got older. But we never see that. It would make sense for there to be at least something making it seem understandable why Zuko would want to be around him in the first place. In the comics, he jumped into the ocean to save Zuko’s life as a baby. In his world, success and power are right and wrong. You are either on his good side or his enemy
Yeah, the comics flashbacks made him appear less threatening and almost ridiculous in his spite toward young Zuko. Like why tf would Zuko even want to go home if his had was on his ass 24/7 for just existing?
Nah, he still is a complete monster. It's just that he is good at hiding it when he needs to. Also, saving your own baby is what just about anyone would do regardless of their morality.
I think when Ozai started to covet the throne of the Fire Nation is when he truly started to become a monster.
@@Avid027 Fiction has this Darth Vader syndrome where they view bad people beng nice to their offspring as a sign they aren't bad people. When IRL bad people are almost always nice to their relatives unless theres a specific reason not to be.
Basically the nazi way which I always saw the method of the fire nation as like Nazis remember when Zhao said fire the "superior" element basically like Nazis who see themselves the superior race but with the fire nation it made more sense since their element didn't required to be next to them to use it which is why it makes sense for them to think of themselves superior
I definently love how they made Iroh and Ozai interact here. It was always odd they never had one interaction or scene in the Cartoon nor once
You know I just realised that
I think that at least partially was due to factors outside their control. They didn't really bother with Ozai in Books 1 and 2, and by Book 3 Iroh's role was reduced heavily mostly because of the original actor's death
“He’ll recover.”
“But he’ll never heal.”
That hits hard.
"He's your son."
"We'll see."
What a raw exchange. Pretty good, pretty good.
A little nod to the Comic books?!
@@0predaking0 Is it? I've never read them.
@@P0rk_Sinigang oh boy!!! You must read them Oozai gains a little more depth in those pages
A bigger jerk than the og which yeah who else who wants to punch him say aye
@@0predaking0 yeah I saw that the zuko being a decendent of both fire lord sozin and avatar Roku wasn't a mistake which my jaw dropped I can believe this dushbag has done the same
There's something so interesting about how Ozai "comforts" Iroh. Think about it. Iroh didn't just lose his son, Ozai lost HIS nephew. And yet he's phrasing it as a "sacrifice for the nation." He valued Lu Ten because he was a useful tool of a soldier, not because he thought of him the way Iroh views Zuko. Like family. You can actually tell he has no emotional bonded connection to Lu Ten, but he's putting on a mask of empathy, like a politician.
And yet, it’s probably the closest thing to genuine you’ll get from him
You can see it with his kids too. When he chastises Azula, he's genuinely annoyed with her, but he is only pleased with Zuko because it benefits him in the long run. And Ozai knows that if both his children are fighting each for his approval then they will do anything he asks. It's purely to keep Azula in his control, not because he actually cares about Zuko's accomplishments.
@@ericnierstedt6242 why wouldn't Ozai care about Zuko's accomplishments a narcissist like him would obviously see his Son achievements being Thanks to his guidance 😂
@@ericnierstedt6242 I think that Ozai sees himself as this great father that is only trying to bring up the best out of his children, while trying to erradicate any sign of weakeness. The fact Zuko started to stand out after he discovered the Avatar gave Ozai to perfect way to push not only his son, but also Azula beyond their limits. By putting the two siblings up against one another, he is shaping the perfect successor. Most likely, this behavior of his was influenced by his own competitive relationship with Iroh when they were young.
I like How Ozai and Iroh actually seem to care about each other here. Cartoon Ozai clearly had no care for Iroh he stole his birth right with no remorse,Never bothered to see him in prison and anytime he did mentioned him was in a mocking tone
You're forgetting he starts the Mockingg tone after Iroh Became a traitor
Seeing as Ozai addressed Iroh as “brother” and even put his hand on his shoulder trying to comfort him over Lu Ten’s death, it seems that the Netflix Ozai does love his family. He even had tears in his eyes when he burned Zuko.
Despite the mixed reviews Netflix absolutely nailed Ozai’s casting
Netflix actually made mostly a decent job in picking the actors.
@arafaelmatos5851 agreed.
I really enjoyed this series
Nah DDK carried the series after all he was already part of the Avatar universe in the animated series
I think here, Ozai was being genuine with his comfort towards Iroh.
Maybe but it could also be a subtle roast saying Lu Ten died a hero while you came back a coward
I don't know. I think he was just paying lip service. Doing what was expected. There were two other chairs set up. One for Ozai, and presumably for Azula. But Zuko was the only one who decided to stay.
@condorandino3484de acuerdo
Iroh would have taken the thrown if he accepted it, but he did not
They made Ozai from an evil maniac to a manipulative one.
He was still an excellent manipulator in the og show. Remember when Zuko confronted him?
"If you have any real courage you'll stick around until the sun comes out. Don't you want to know what happened to your mother?"
We don't see a lot of Ozai in general but the glimpses we get show a very cunning manipulator. He's clearly not just a brute.
The humanization of Ozai is one of the best changes Netflix made.
Him caring about Zuko, acknowledging his accomplishments and clearly respecting his brother Iroh is something I really liked. In the show he had genuine contempt for both his son and his brother but in the Netflix show there seems to be far more to Ozai than in the original. Hopefully we'll see more of Ozai/Zuko and Ozai/Iroh interactions in seasons 2 and 3. Should Netflix greenlight them of course
While I like a good grey villain, I personally prefer the primal rage and pure malice of the original.
Agree with @@Mediados The no-shits given Ozai from the cartoon was much more intimidating.
One thing I do agree with in this comment secion is that it is interesting to see Ozai and Iroh talk.
@@Mediadosyes, Ozai was giving more respect to Zuko and Iroh, and give Azula a hard lesson. Unlike in animation while Azula was a pride for Ozai and the fire nation
It also amplifies how evil and cruel he is because, as opposed to OG Ozai just seeming like an unfeeling and cruel overlord, this Ozai seems a lot more like he actively was evil and cruel by choice
If they do another flashback episode in season 2, I wanna see how live action Ozai interacts with Azulon regarding Lu Ten's death and Iroh's claim to the throne since Iroh was originally Azulon's heir due to being his firstborn. And I hope we get to see how Azulon died because in the original, Ozai mentioned that Zuko's mother Ursa helped him become Firelord in exchange for Zuko's life to be spared. And I'm curious, who do you guys think will be good as Firelord Azulon and Ursa?
"He's hurt."
"He'll recover."
"But he will never heal."
This Ozai seems good and charismatic af
Agreed!
That's what happens when you cast Daniel Dae Kim in anything.
Hope you mean good in terms of character portrayal (which he is), NOT morals. Because he's still massively evil here. Which I love.
@@Gadget-WalkmenThis Ozai is definitely still evil, but he also seems more human, which I like. Ozai in the original series was just a one dimensional megalomaniac.
@@cptndunsel2670 I'm against that as Ozai in the original series WORKS perfectly as calm and focused megalomanic leader who cares about proving one's strength for his nation, as not every villain needs to be "more human" AT ALL to work perfectly as an antagonist and as a villain character, you badly trying to think that he needs to be is a wrong way of thinking as not every
Ozai being proud of the people who are able to prove their worth like Azula, and eventually Zuko when he believes he's the one who killed the Avatar is enough.
It's not "one dimensional", it's more focused on trying to display on how much of threat he is to everyone and it goes to show that he's so much of a threat that he needs to be taken out, that it makes sense that everyone WANTS Aang to kill him at the very end, despite Aang not wanting too.
A villain can be pure evil and still be fleshed out to be third dimensional people who are STILL evil, like Azula, Joker, Homelander, Darth Maul, Tywin Lannister, Joffrey, Cersei.
0:04 live action version ozai respects iroh
I have enjoyed the Netflix version, better than I thought, and I do love the fact they introduce new things, such as Ozai and Iroh finally talking.
Plus Aang talking to the other Avatars sooner, other than Roku.
Seeing the attack on the airbenders was fantastic as well, although I get why they didn't put a massacre in a children's cartoon lol
I like this bit and dynamic. We never got to see interactions between Iron and Ozai in the original cartoon, which is something a lot of people would have liked to see. The actors really gave it their all and it really shows the character difference between the brothers.
0:46 Iroh: 😠 Now is not a good time.
0:30 Iroh: 😠 Brother! Don’t do this. He’s your son.
Ozai: We’ll see 😒
@@Armityle30 a few minutes later crying while he burned half of his face
@@justiceriser8970 well at least we know he's not a complete psychopath like his cartoon counterpart lmao. This ozai seem redeemable.
@kakihustle55 nah he go ax crazy like the cartoon but u are right and azula is still unredeemed like her cartoon counterpart
@@kakihustle55Imagine if Netflix Ozai was doing his menacing laugh when he was burning his face like he did to Zuko on the day of Black Sun.
Irony is that the guy who plays Ozai did voice acting in one episode of the cartoon.
who?
@@BroWhat1000the earth bender general who tries to force aang to use the avatar state
@@BroWhat1000General Fong
He also voiced hiroshi sato (asami’s dad) in korra. btw the guy he played in last airbender is named general fong
Why irony?
Iroh and Zuko's interaction at Lu Ten's funeral was...you can tell the bound was already forming between them.
How you can tell that, you're some kind of pyschic?
@@erilaksmana450 YES I AM!
I notice that Ozai in this isn't exactly like in the original show. He's still a horrible father, but whereas Ozai in the show never hid his contempt for Zuko, straight up telling him as a child that he wanted to disown him for not appearing to be a bender until the Fire Sages stepped in, this Ozai puts on a show of "this is for your own good".
That seems to be a reflection of Imperial Japan during WW2.
The Fire Nation’s culture warped as a result of 100 years war the same way Japan’s culture was utilized to turn their military into cruel and inhumane monsters that ravaged civilians and soldiers alike in WW2.
Ozai is a product of his time and a reflection of a nation under 100 years of brutal war. Iroh too was part of this till he lost his son and underwent a deep psychological and spiritual revitalization that made him change.
Disown him Ozai wanted to kill him 😂
@@Justin-ui5ti The Japanese never Ravaged any Civilians That's American propaganda. The truth is The Japanese soldiers avoided attacking Civilians, And injured Soldiers, when they attacked pearl harbor,They faught the War with honor, but American use That attacked as a excuse for they, Themselves to murder millions of Women and children, yet history is Written by The victor even so sooner or later The truth always comes out.
@@davidcarty7584He said he wanted to get rid of him in the comics but was begged not too, then his father Azulon wanted Ozai to kill Zuko as a punishment for trying to take the throne. Pretty messed up, I see where Ozai gets his evil nature from. 😂
I knew Daniel Dae Kim would knock this role out of the park from the moment it was announced. I can't wait to see this man truly wrathful. That was perfect casting.
At least this Ozai seems to have something that resembles a brain. He’s an actual good strategist and ain’t a cartoonish Evil Villain like in the Show. Ozai’s character was kinda wasted there. I also like how he scolded Azula and actually teaches her and Zuko in what HE thinks is right. In the Show Ozai was basically a two dimensional villain who was a horrible strategist and incredibly incompetent at most times.
Also Iroh finally shows something that resembles a Spine instead of waiting till everything is basically lost
Prove Ozai's incompetence and the fact that he's a horrible strategist.
Ozai's character wasn't wasted. He served his purpose in the show.
How was he incompetent? And two dimensional
@@sckaze777 Ozai was pretty boring in terms of character. Just a raging psychopath and nothing more.
However, he wasn't incompetent. He was very good at manipulation and acknowledged the merit behind the idea of scorching the Earth Kingdom with the power of Sozin's Comet.
I will give this live-action adaptation credit. I really like the Iroh we get here. By no means is he superior to Mako’s Iroh, but this guy does his own thing and still captures the lovable wise caring nature of everyone’s favorite uncle.
"We'll see"
Gooood damn, that kind of fire is too hot even for a Firebender. That's just pure evil.
I'm so glad they didn't make Ozai the embodiment of evil in this version. His desire for his children to be both mentally and physically strong is surprisingly parental.
Finally two brothers talking to each other
I am waiting for Uncle Iroh to open up a convenience store or patrol the outer rim in his X-wing.
Im really glad they show these two brother together, and i like how Ozai isn't as resentful to his son or brother in the series
Ozai becomes resentful after Iroh becomes a traitor
@@phoenixking9457 I said as resentful
More Ozai definitely was the redeeming part of the live action. DDK really brought his A game to portrayal of the Firelord as obsessed with power at all costs and his brutality is really shown here which the cartoon only hints at during book 1. I definitely want to see a scene of the Firelord's reaction to Iroh going with Zuko in another flashback
I never once saw Iroh and Ozai interact in the cartoon but they interacted in the live action TV series.
I think what's interesting about Ozai and Uncle Iroh is the different parenting, I think it hinted that both of them were abused by Azulon. It shows that Uncle Iroh was a good father to Lu Ten and a great father figure to Zuko because he doesn't want to be like his father, so he broke the family abuse cycle, while Ozai became an abuser because he thinks that his father's abused made him stronger, and that he abused his children to make them strong like him. So to me, Uncle Iroh is not only the strongest firebender than Ozai, he's also mentally stronger than Ozai
Keep coping
It was never hinted that they were abused, especially not Iroh. Azulon has shown to care for him as he didn't hold Iroh's failure against him and was angry at Ozai for trying to take advantage of Iroh in his time of grief.
Keep reaching. Azulon cared for his sons and even ordered Ozai to kill Zuko for disrespecting Iroh
@@sckaze777The last part is messed up, Ozai was an evil monster but Azulon was no saint either.
Ozai: The doctor said you'll reoperate quickly its a sign your body is strong that's good
Zuko: You set me on fire piss off.
Ozai: Do I need to burn your other eye Zuko?
Zuko: I... HAVE HONOR! I-HAVE HONOR! I HAVE HONOR, FATHER!
Ozai: 🗿
At least Netflix avatar ozai has respect for Iroh
With this brutal scene, Zuko's scar could have been worse, to the point of losing an eye.
Agreed. Really wonder what their reason is for making the scar look "pretty" (not sure how else to describe it). I've seen it done better by cosplayers. I wonder whether or not they will change it for a possible season two 'cause a lot of people have criticized this one aspect.
I’m actually glad they decided to put this in the show. While they’re brothers, they never spoke a single word to each other in the original show.
It’s cool to have Johnny Gat in this show. That’s how I knew Daniel dae Kim originally but I did find out he was in avatar the last airbender on Nickelodeon and the Legend of Korra.
I kind of wish we had a scene with Ozai and Iroh back when I was watching avatar the last Airbender the TV show on Nickelodeon. But looking at the scene I actually get a full understanding about was really going on and the interaction between the brothers. I actually like Netflix for doing that
Never would have guessed Dr. Han was going to be the next Firelord
Just realizing I know we all knew that Iroh was the older brother but looking and him and Ozai I can really see that there must be a significant age gap between them it's either that or the hardship of losing Lu ten and the realization of how no one is winning in this war has aged Iroh greatly stress can age people. And people are really sleeping on that last interaction they had " He's hurt, he'll recover, but he will never heal" that kind of trauma has a lasting impression Ozai humiliated Zuko , ozai is defeated and imprisoned for life I believe that when he was on his death bed Zuko forgave him not for him but for himself knowing that carrying that kind of hate can posion you and when you forgive someone you are allowing yourself to truly heal.
Ozai in Netflix sounds like a father who has no choice to discipline to strengthen Zuko but the Ozai in the animated series is like straight effed up cruel
We ALL need an Uncle Iroh, to point us in the right Direction.
Ozai was only harsh to Zuko because his mom lied lol.
Iroh was willing to fight for defending Zuko
I wish Iroh's regular line delivery and tone was a bit closer to the og show. I feel like moments where he sounds serious, like when he intervened between Ozai and Zuko, would have hit 10000x harder
This is more than a minute longer than their interactions in the original series
The actor of Ozai is perfect compared to many other casts.
I really want to see a moment at the end or towards the end of the saga where iroh and ozai have a real moment... one of the very few shortcomings of the original show. Without a doubt the fire nation carried the first season
Definitely one of the things this adaptation did right. I can’t believe these two didn’t interact even once in the original!
This version of Ozai reminds me of Kael'thas Sunstrider from Warcraft.
hooo thanks i knew i got a feeling ho already seeing this look haha
Ozai looks like he came straight out of the animated series
we didn't see any interactions in the anime, so i enjoyed seeing them talk to each other
This series does many things right by showing us these moments tjat never occured in the original series !
If they do manage to get far, this live action series better have an Ozai vs Iroh fight the original cartoon really skipped out on.
It wouldn't make sense for them now to do it because iroh saw it as wrong for the balance of the world, but maybe some flashback of their younger versions could be good
Zuko redirecting Ozai's lightning, having another moment of hesitation to mirror the Agni Kai, and then blasting near his feet, would be so lit
@@lionkingflo6355"History will only see it as more senseless violence: A brother killing a brother to grab power."
@@fighterx9840 exactly
@@arcahmwinters70 wouldn't make sense either
the set design and their costumes make everything and everyone look like cartoonish cosplayers
One thing I did like about the show is that it showed what happened right after zuko got burned. I always wondered what ozai said to him afterwards
*A minimum of 10 seasons is what we need. There's so much to see. Also the original voice cast need to play their characters in ember players episode*
Mark Hamill dressed as Ozai🤣🤣🤣
This made me realize that Iroh and Ozai never interacted once in the original series.
As sacrilege as it is to say, I like this version of Ozai more than the animation version (no disrespect to Mark Hamill he is👑). What makes this version so interesting to me is that he is not a one-dimensional caricature. He actually seems to have some moments of tenderness towards Zuko but these are rare and peppered in with his sadistic side with unrealistic expectations and abuse.
Probably the only good change made in the adaptation was having Iroh and Ozai directly interact, even if it came at the cost of making Iroh look spineless because of his inability to ever actually stand up to Ozai in a meaningful way without radically altering the plot.
In my opinion, this version of Ozai stands alongside the original.
The original was perfect for what the animated series was going for. He didn't need to have much of a character outside of being an evil basterd you *want* to see defeated. He was almost more of a force of nature than a character and *that's completely fine*
But having this version *does* expose a flaw in the original, specifically in that Ozai had some implied depth, but nothing more. He and Iroh never even share a single onscreen conversation.
Here, you get the sense that, while Ozai is still an absolute basterd, he's got a lot more going on. He seems to truly and genuinely respect Iroh and believes that the way he's raising his children is *good for them* , all the while still blatantly playing on their insecurities to get them to do what he wants. And seeing Iroh openly defy him and call him brother instead of Fire Lord, with Ozai seemingly acknowledging his older brother's counsel is really interesting. Now compare this to the original where at times you'd be forgiven for forgetting the two are even related lol
You’re right, but I think Ozai had some depth in the original series too. According to Zuko and Azula, and confirmed by Ozai himself in the comics, there was a time he unconditionally loved his kids and tried to be a good father and husband. But his lust for power, his jealousy of Iroh, and his and Ursa’s hate for each other drove him into the deep end. That said, the Netflix Ozai is genuinely likable and kind of sympathetic. He loves Iroh and he was tearful when he burned Zuko. The original Ozai was selfish, but it seems that the Netflix Ozai is just delusional.
i know people have mixed feelings about the live action avatar on netflix, but you gotta admit, they did iroh good lol
Iroh: I looked away (one of his greatest shames)
Netflix Iroh: Brother, don't do this.
Ieoh and ozai to have a mutual respect for each other this time around and I was I was impressed by Zuko strength .
Uncle Iroh and his divine beard is too good
I can see that they've sent the bots out to defend, it was that Ozai's sheer lust for the grandeur and power that his predecessor sozin possessed that pushed him to lock his wife away, scorch his son, corrupt his daughter, and raise the armies of the fire nation up to even greater heights for the coming of the comet. His plans could not be foiled, every piece of his insanity laid to perfection, for if his armies were not ready, the world would not burn under his might and wrath
its like most of the attention and growth is put on the villains and the main characters are stripped of their flaws and room to grow😭
In the comics, it was apparent that Ozai had a bit of an inferiority complex because Azulon basically always favored Iroh over him. Ozai always sought to gain his father's favor over his older brother. It fed into his dislike of Zuko, his eldest born, and his favoring of his youngest, Azula.
"Azulon basically always favored Iroh over him"
Proof?
@@sarveshnathan7559Are you just going to get angry at everyone who disagrees with you and start an argument? 🙄
“But he’ll never heal”
🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 and then he morbed all over ozai
You didnt like the line? i thought it was pretty good.
@@gamermaster1998 it was really forced. I dont know how to describe it but it felt like the writers have a profound dialogue quota they have to fill for each episode.
It didn't seem force to me
The fact that Zuko could kill Ozai in that duel if he shown no mearce💀 and he was only 13💀
I like the original voice from Ozai in the Netflix Version.
I watch the German version. The syncronised voice of him is also good too but the original voice killing 🔥
In original it wasn't shown Ozai face until last season making him more frightening.
How the relationship with Ozai and his big brother is like me with my big brother 😂
It is not easy to determine who would win in a fight between these 2 however it's safe to say that the collateral damage they would cause would be great. That's probably why Iroh didn't volunteer to fight in Zuko's place, that and Ozai would not have accepted it and Iroh didn't believe Ozai would have gone as far as he did in his fight with Zuko.
How are they gonna show the 6pack abs jacked iroh, when he breaks the jail?
I think Prison Iroh will have more of strongman build like Hafthor Björnsson and Eddie Hall
This Ozai is way better more fleshed out
Ozai “He’ll recover”
Iron “but he’ll never heal”
That really hit hard 🥺🙁
No disrespect to team avatar but imo the Fire nation royal family is by far the best thing about the show right now.
I remember when both of these men were cast in their respective roles.
Both times I said "That's f***ing perfect casting!"
Fitting for Johnny Gat to portray Ozai
Iron: “thank you Ozai” but what he really mean was “I don’t give a sh*t about politics right now, you and your fire nation can go to hell”
Imagine the Iroh training art on live action 😭🙏
I appreciate this version of Ozai way more than the animated counterpart. The original Ozai was a shallow, overhyped wannabe with clique personality traits and motives. In the original, they tell us that he'll be Team Avatar's primary archnemesis, he can only ever lose to a fully realized master avatar, and he wasn't always a monster, but never bothered to show either, fundamentally breaking the "show, don't tell" rule. So far, this reboot is correcting those egregious oversights.
Tell that to all the people who hate how the live action made Ozai have layers to his personality.
Well in the cartoons I always thought they never saw eye to eye and that What I always belived
Iroh is a good man
Ozai on the other hand is a bad man
Iroh he is the best uncle in the whole world, Iroh should be be the fire lord, the Phoenix King and bring peace
This Ozai seems a lot more misguided and indoctrinated rather than pure evil like the animated version.
He actually seems to respect Iroh and even care for Zuko in his own fucked up way. This version reminds me of my own father.
Unfortunately too many people can relate to this kind of father-son relationship.
@@raymeester7883The animated Ozai was still evil but also still indoctrinated as well. If you watched the S3 E2 The Headband episode form the animated show Iroh and Ozai’s grandfather Firelord Sozin altered the Fire Nation records and made them teach pro Fire nation propaganda in school. It would have likely be the same for Ozai and Iroh attending school as boys.
After being fired, dr. Han decided to be the Fire Lord.
god damn he's fine
I know people didn't like how they handled Ozai in the adaptation, but keep in mind. Yes, it's an adaptation, so they are allowed to change things. What the writers are doing is trying to make Ozai more of a layered character, which honestly, I don't mind. But am still curious how that will affect Zuko's redemption and his wife's backstory.
The actor who plays Ozai sounds very similar to Mark Hamil the voice of Ozai In the show
Nice job
WHY HE GOTTA BE HANDSOME LIKE WHATT