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Well the funny thing is with 99% of sports content the shots only happen one time, so that advice is counter productive. When shooting a campaign or ad like you showed in this video where you have full creative control, sure, but the players aren't gonna redo a play so you can re-shoot it in a different FPS. Just shoot 60fps with at least 120 SS. Imo, 60fps footage doesn't look wrong played at full speed if your handheld skills are at least decent.
I'm liking what you say and now I want to watch your video! Shooting live shorts in 24fps, nope, never. You get one chance to get it on video. Not 10 takes.
I’m glad you talked about the higher shutter speed. Hardly anyone ever actually does that and since I film jiu jitsu tournaments I love using 24fps x 200 SS to make it look dramatic and intense
Your error is to slow down 60 fps to 24 fps. You should simply not use 24 fps for video in action sports, as most computer displays and TV sets are using 60 Hz (newer models might be able to display 120 Hz which is a great improvement for displaying 24 fps). So your 24 fps will always appear choppy if it has movement and it's played back on a 60 Hz set. To avoid this, record using 30 fps or 60 fps. The higher framerate is better on youtube since playback at 60 fps is supported. It's also easy to convert to 30 fps by simply dropping every other frame, or to use it for slow motion. As for the shutter angle, it's less important than exposure time. 60 fps filmed at 1/60s will be rather too blurry for fast movements and pans. If that's an issue, simply use a slightly faster setting like 1/90 s. The important thing is to avoid choppiness caused by excessively short shutter speeds and small shutter angles which will throw away most of the kinetic visual information. The brain doesn't like it too much when it can detect missing visual clues between two frames.
Wow, thank you! I'm a new video shooter (shot stills for years) and I picked up a FX30 to leverage my current Sony glass and shoot my son's Taekwondo. Would you recommend 24 frames and 90 degree shutter angle? All of this will be indoors under fluorescent lighting. (~4500k). I'll be shooting with a 14mm GM or 20mm G. Thank you!
That’s awesome man seriously I remember the first time I heard that term it blew my mind as well. Glad to help on any questions that you have my man welcome to the channel.
If u want it easier just do 50 or 60 fps with 1/50 or 1/60 shutter speed. No need to ask actors to do it again. Half your time on the scene and end up with the same motion blur. U don’t need original audio for the sport shoot shown anyway. In fact, combining low fps and fast subject can make things looks choppy just because there are that much gap in motion when the sensor is not exposing between frames. (Shutter angle
Yooooo! I'm also guilty of shooting with a wide open aperture too often when, in reality, even at F5-6, we will still got that blurry background (not as much, but still) no matter what ! Great video, once again, my main!! side note: For the love of God, when are you going to book a project in Montreal?! 🤐😜
What framerate and shutter speed would be recommended for motorsports especially when the subject goes past me really fast? I would also like to retain ability to create sharp slowmo so i guess 60fps would be minimum (?) but how about the shutter speed? Would i benefit to go even faster shutter than 1/120? And is there some sort of industry standard that is used for example in F1/WRC/Nascar etc?
I think for motorsports 60 frames is probably a really good frame rate just because things are happening so fast that you’re not gonna notice the fact that you might not slow the footage down at times. In terms of shutter speed, I would say try 180 and see how that works.
Hi Alex, Does this aspect apply to mid range smartphone standard cameras as well. I shoot kids football using 4k@60fps and crop it to 1080p@30fps taking in the ball action area. my Redmi Note 7 Pro phone has f1.8
I film horse racing but with a camcorder. I notice all my videos are soft and not focused. Would your recommend 60p or 120p. I feel like when I record in 120, everything is extremely soft.
No if you dropped the shutter angle your going to get a more jittery looking image because there’s less motion blur. It’s going to look closer to 60 frame footage without slowing it down. It’s great for exaggerating motion.
There's no such thing really. He almost certainly meant 45 Degree which would be 1/240th for 60fps or 1/120th for 30fps. (Why bother with the problematic 24 fps unless the client specifies that.) 🤓
@@StudioGalvan That's wrong. With digital cameras, any shutter angle is possible, even beyond 360°. The only impossible shutter angle would be 0° or a negative number. 90° shutter angle is 90/360 = 1/4; this is 4 times shorter than the duration of one frame. If the frame rate is 120 fps, the exposure time for each frame will be 1/480 s (or about 1/500 s as those shutter speeds as indicated by the camera do not always correspond precisely to milliseconds). If its 30 fps, the exposure time will be 1/120 s 360° SA would not throw away any visual information of the scene, whereas a SA of 90° throws away 3/4 of the visual clues of the movement occuring in the scene. If the fps is slower than the latency of the human visual system, that is < 120 fps (for peripheral vision), such a shutter angle might create choppiness. But when the fps corresponds to the latency of the human visual system or is even shorter (120 fps or above), any shutter angle can be used and the movement will always have a smooth optical flow (if played back with 120 fps on a 120 Hz display) as the motion blur will be created by the inherent latency of the retina itself.
paul joy did a video on why your 60 fps video looked terrible and its beacuse you were trying for 180 degree shutter but you need to do 360 for changing between slow-mo and normal speed depending on your specific artistic or crisp interpretation for the shot
Paul Joy is a real videographer, whereas this Alex guy is just parroting old outdated bad advice having no idea what he's talking about. I don't know if it's hillarious or sad that someone would say "60p is bad, because it looks weird when I take it down to 24p" or "You always have to use 180 degree shutter at 60p, because of... uuhm.. reasons"
24fps with a 90 degree shutter is indistinguishable from 60fps with a 180 degree shutter, sped up to match. But both would look terrible for talking heads.
Typically what you’re supposed to do is have your shutter double your frame rate and this is called a 180° shutter angle. So a 90° shutter would be your frame rate and shutter pretty much the same so if you shoot at 60 frames, you would have your shutter set to 60 and what that would do is make your footage have a lot less motion blur
For people in the UK this advice is completely redundant btw. UK peeps. Keep shooting at 50fps and exporting at 25 ;) Let Americans worry about not being able to standardise anything.
Or.... Just use 60p at 360° shutter angle... It has similar motion blur to 24p at 180° shutter angle (when played at normal speed, slow motion it will look too blurry). 24p at 180° SA = 1/48 shutter speed 30p at 180° SA = 1/30 shutter speed 60p at 360° SA = 1/30 shutter speed
I dunno man, this just sounded like you copied and pasted what every other video on RUclips says about the 180 rule. overrated. regurgitating something without legitimate reasoning behind it makes no sense. also the high aperture is really only a black magic shooter issue, the rest of us have great auto focus, or focus pullers.
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Well the funny thing is with 99% of sports content the shots only happen one time, so that advice is counter productive. When shooting a campaign or ad like you showed in this video where you have full creative control, sure, but the players aren't gonna redo a play so you can re-shoot it in a different FPS. Just shoot 60fps with at least 120 SS. Imo, 60fps footage doesn't look wrong played at full speed if your handheld skills are at least decent.
I'm liking what you say and now I want to watch your video! Shooting live shorts in 24fps, nope, never. You get one chance to get it on video. Not 10 takes.
Shoot at 60fps 360 degree shutter and put it on a on a 30fps timeline!
Smooth As Butter. 😎
(Unless you want Chaos.)
eeem i might have learn something new!!
I’m glad you talked about the higher shutter speed. Hardly anyone ever actually does that and since I film jiu jitsu tournaments I love using 24fps x 200 SS to make it look dramatic and intense
Yeah it’s 💵💰
Your error is to slow down 60 fps to 24 fps. You should simply not use 24 fps for video in action sports, as most computer displays and TV sets are using 60 Hz (newer models might be able to display 120 Hz which is a great improvement for displaying 24 fps). So your 24 fps will always appear choppy if it has movement and it's played back on a 60 Hz set. To avoid this, record using 30 fps or 60 fps. The higher framerate is better on youtube since playback at 60 fps is supported. It's also easy to convert to 30 fps by simply dropping every other frame, or to use it for slow motion.
As for the shutter angle, it's less important than exposure time. 60 fps filmed at 1/60s will be rather too blurry for fast movements and pans. If that's an issue, simply use a slightly faster setting like 1/90 s. The important thing is to avoid choppiness caused by excessively short shutter speeds and small shutter angles which will throw away most of the kinetic visual information. The brain doesn't like it too much when it can detect missing visual clues between two frames.
Wow, thank you! I'm a new video shooter (shot stills for years) and I picked up a FX30 to leverage my current Sony glass and shoot my son's Taekwondo. Would you recommend 24 frames and 90 degree shutter angle? All of this will be indoors under fluorescent lighting. (~4500k). I'll be shooting with a 14mm GM or 20mm G. Thank you!
I've never heard the term SHUTTER ANGLE until now. I've crossed into another dimension... again
That’s awesome man seriously I remember the first time I heard that term it blew my mind as well. Glad to help on any questions that you have my man welcome to the channel.
If u want it easier just do 50 or 60 fps with 1/50 or 1/60 shutter speed. No need to ask actors to do it again. Half your time on the scene and end up with the same motion blur. U don’t need original audio for the sport shoot shown anyway. In fact, combining low fps and fast subject can make things looks choppy just because there are that much gap in motion when the sensor is not exposing between frames. (Shutter angle
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Yooooo! I'm also guilty of shooting with a wide open aperture too often when, in reality, even at F5-6, we will still got that blurry background (not as much, but still) no matter what ! Great video, once again, my main!! side note: For the love of God, when are you going to book a project in Montreal?! 🤐😜
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Good advice. Will implement this into my next highlight mix.
Awesome man glad to help!
Hi, really good tips and nice content. What fps would you use for basketball game? Thanks
I would film in 48, 50 or 60 frames
What framerate and shutter speed would be recommended for motorsports especially when the subject goes past me really fast? I would also like to retain ability to create sharp slowmo so i guess 60fps would be minimum (?) but how about the shutter speed? Would i benefit to go even faster shutter than 1/120? And is there some sort of industry standard that is used for example in F1/WRC/Nascar etc?
I think for motorsports 60 frames is probably a really good frame rate just because things are happening so fast that you’re not gonna notice the fact that you might not slow the footage down at times. In terms of shutter speed, I would say try 180 and see how that works.
Definitely tested out before your shoot though
Gotta use this shooting style on my next project/spec! Thanks for the tip🙌🏻
Awesome!!
Great footage!🔥🔥
🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻Thanks for the love!
I’ve been shooting 120fps here lately for the football content I recently have been shooting and I overcranked the shutter too.
Hi Alex, Does this aspect apply to mid range smartphone standard cameras as well. I shoot kids football using 4k@60fps and crop it to 1080p@30fps taking in the ball action area. my Redmi Note 7 Pro phone has f1.8
I film horse racing but with a camcorder. I notice all my videos are soft and not focused. Would your recommend 60p or 120p. I feel like when I record in 120, everything is extremely soft.
And what about 60 fps and 1/60 ? :)
You have to have your settings dialed in on your camera IMO
Is shooting 60fps at 180 degree shutter dropped on 24p timeline the same look as shooting 24p at 90 degree shutter?
No if you dropped the shutter angle your going to get a more jittery looking image because there’s less motion blur. It’s going to look closer to 60 frame footage without slowing it down.
It’s great for exaggerating motion.
Can you explain what a 90 degree shutter angle is?
There's no such thing really. He almost certainly meant 45 Degree which would be 1/240th for 60fps or 1/120th for 30fps.
(Why bother with the problematic 24 fps unless the client specifies that.) 🤓
@@StudioGalvan That's wrong. With digital cameras, any shutter angle is possible, even beyond 360°. The only impossible shutter angle would be 0° or a negative number. 90° shutter angle is 90/360 = 1/4; this is 4 times shorter than the duration of one frame. If the frame rate is 120 fps, the exposure time for each frame will be 1/480 s (or about 1/500 s as those shutter speeds as indicated by the camera do not always correspond precisely to milliseconds). If its 30 fps, the exposure time will be 1/120 s
360° SA would not throw away any visual information of the scene, whereas a SA of 90° throws away 3/4 of the visual clues of the movement occuring in the scene. If the fps is slower than the latency of the human visual system, that is < 120 fps (for peripheral vision), such a shutter angle might create choppiness. But when the fps corresponds to the latency of the human visual system or is even shorter (120 fps or above), any shutter angle can be used and the movement will always have a smooth optical flow (if played back with 120 fps on a 120 Hz display) as the motion blur will be created by the inherent latency of the retina itself.
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GREAT VIDEO
paul joy did a video on why your 60 fps video looked terrible and its beacuse you were trying for 180 degree shutter but you need to do 360 for changing between slow-mo and normal speed depending on your specific artistic or crisp interpretation for the shot
Paul Joy is a real videographer, whereas this Alex guy is just parroting old outdated bad advice having no idea what he's talking about. I don't know if it's hillarious or sad that someone would say "60p is bad, because it looks weird when I take it down to 24p" or "You always have to use 180 degree shutter at 60p, because of... uuhm.. reasons"
24fps with a 90 degree shutter is indistinguishable from 60fps with a 180 degree shutter, sped up to match.
But both would look terrible for talking heads.
💥💥💥
What about 30fps?
nah, 50/60/24's better
what is a 90 degree angle shutter speed ?
Typically what you’re supposed to do is have your shutter double your frame rate and this is called a 180° shutter angle. So a 90° shutter would be your frame rate and shutter pretty much the same so if you shoot at 60 frames, you would have your shutter set to 60 and what that would do is make your footage have a lot less motion blur
Do you think flickering caused by gaseous lamps will affect our setting of shutter angle?
For people in the UK this advice is completely redundant btw. UK peeps. Keep shooting at 50fps and exporting at 25 ;) Let Americans worry about not being able to standardise anything.
Or.... Just use 60p at 360° shutter angle...
It has similar motion blur to 24p at 180° shutter angle (when played at normal speed, slow motion it will look too blurry).
24p at 180° SA = 1/48 shutter speed
30p at 180° SA = 1/30 shutter speed
60p at 360° SA = 1/30 shutter speed
well, why ft would you edit a 60fps video on a 24fps timeline. btw 24fps looks way to choppy, 30fps is perfect
I Export in 25 fps and shoot in 50 fps😁
Why do you think shooting in 60fps for talking clips ruins the shot?
The footage is really jittery and distracting from the speaker
@@AlexzarfatifilmsWhat shutter angle are you filming at for 60p?
Me shooting everything in 120fps at f1.8
Thats your style but it doesn't feel good for me.
''every day''🤣😅😂
I dunno man, this just sounded like you copied and pasted what every other video on RUclips says about the 180 rule. overrated. regurgitating something without legitimate reasoning behind it makes no sense. also the high aperture is really only a black magic shooter issue, the rest of us have great auto focus, or focus pullers.