How AI "Artists" are making money with Midjourney right now
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it’s wild to see how many people are misunderstanding the video that we made. i think it’s because the topic is so charged and everyone is coming in with their own biases. the human brain is bonkers.
it feels like they are storming into a room and already yelling without listening.
Most people don’t even know how the damn thing works and are just repeating what others are saying.
> *the human brain is bonkers.*
Amen to that - seems like internet discourse is effin difficult regardless of the subject - and for some reason it is easier to lose nuance, calmness, or to allow those things to get lost. It is frustrating as hell.
It’s not for everybody to understand and that’s the best part. Only for a selected few 🙋🏿♂️
Good work
Out of context wanna know which mic are you using in this
Throwing an old photo onto kahma revived it better than any restoration app ever could. Crazy good.
Great video! I imagine many people might be feeling a little vulnerable at the moment with AI’s potential, I certainly am! But your video inspires me to keep creating, for my sake at least and to be inspired by the potential these new tools provide. That’s where the value is…
even if you give out your prompt ...it generate completely different image from yours when I put in the same prompts . its just the way LLM models work at its core. So doesn't matter if you give out your prompts👍
You are great at this. Thanks for sharing.
@MangoStreet Slap "photo" at the beginning of your prompt and "soft or sharp focus" at the end of the prompt" makes one hell of a difference. Oh and erm what's that thingy called again..oh yes..Raw mode makes a huge difference if you select it for the aesthetic of these types of images you show in your video. I've been finding that if you type in the /shorten command to shorten your prompt, 99% of the time it strikes out photo realism; photorealistic, etc, however as I mentioned it seems to add soft or sharp focus by itself, especially in 5.2 for some reason in both the /describe and /shorten commands, just thought I'd share..use it....don't use it...u know...sell it on Squarespace that kinda thing...ok peace out
This is the best video I have seen explaining how to prompt. Well done. Thank You
midjourney is an awesome tool for aspiring storytellers and writers who are broke.
As a guy who lost countless jobs due to my anxiety and depression, i think midjourney is a nice option to help get me started on my dreams.
But believe me, im not one of those people who think doing ai prompts is the same thing as drawing and painting true original art.
Ai is a useful tool but it shouldn't be abused and encouraged. More like a last resort. If you have the money to pay an artist, do it. If you honestly dont and have similar issues like i do, midjourney is a path
I totally understood and I appreciate this video! People won’t be happy if you do or if you don’t.
Yeah midjourney is amazing and fun. You could do the same with stable diffusion and some of the models out there are out of this world. It’s getting better exponentially so fast.
if anyone can do it very easily then there's no value in it since you can generate what you want to print and hang yourself. I use midjourney to generate wallpapers for my desktop and for color inspiration. I can't bring myself to monetize anything that generates.
If shame won’t make them stop, share their secrets and stop their gatekeeping 👏👏👏
what secrets?
Midjourney is available to anyone that wants to buy it also there are tutorials all over the place so I dont understand the gatekeeping comment, if other people took the time to take the courses they can do the same things
@@oni_imagetv1331 the gatekeeping is referring to those who use AI to get their pictures, sell prints for thousands of dollars, and then don’t share any of the prompt keywords they use because “it’s hard to come up with them”. It’s not about the actual accessibility to the platform
@@emilyr_8927hmm,so they keeping the prompts hidden ? Is that what u saying ?
@@emilyr_8927because they don't want people to find what prompt is being used ?
Wow! Love that it can write a prompt from a picture!! Great share
I didn’t know bout the describe function. Thank you! Great video
.... And this why I subscribe to Mango Street. Love you guys!
I haven't been notified by mango channel for a while now, not sure why, but I really enjoyed this one :)
most of our subscribers don’t get notified anymore. even the ones with the bell turned on. i think you just gotta check back because we still post at least two videos every month!
How do you have so many channels on discord, the general going from 1 to 20? i have only 3 general for example and i checked all in ''channels & roles'' there is no more options to add them
thank you so much. you guys are the best and def gained my respect after this video
Wooow Jonas Peterson got called OUT!
Nice info guys thanks
just one question i didn't understand, what does the "stylize" do on the image?
I think of it like this lower stylize the more the AI stays strict to the words in your prompt, the higher the stylize the more the AI goes wild and does whatever it wants.
@@shakostarsuncorrect
Great Video and info! Keep up the great work!
The problem with Ai art is that anyone can do it so that decrease the value of Ai art because theirs to much of it and also no copyright protection
everyone can take a photo
@@Aryaxis Not applicable tbh. Midjourney is trained to be aesthetically pleasing so it's literally at a push of a button. "Floral patter" - baaam, hundreds of images. Gary is right. Market will saturate so fast.
That’s why it’s better used as an inspiration or iteration tool, concept art etc. Also I can see the prompts themselves being copy protected at some point.
if that was true then why are "gatekeepers" being mentioned? clearly we are now seeing that there is a massive difference between the "general stylized aesthetic" that the Ai model can produce in a basic prompt vs the individual style that makes certain Ai artist stand out, so these AI Artists are suddenly being called "gatekeepers" this is silly. The problem is not AI, the problem is simply the sense of over inflated entitlement of certain artists now being rattled because they shaking in their boots and their egos have been rocked. I am an artist myself, spent 18 years of my dedication to my craft I have been very successful throughout my career, I have no problem with AI, whether someone can copy my style or not it does not matter because when you reach a certain level or part of your career, your collectors are not buying your art only, they are investing in you as an artist. So if artist who are starting out can use AI its a great advantage because now they have a tool to assist them in advancing in their process in whichever way they choose, how they use it is really their business, and good luck to all of them. Nobody owns creativity, everyone uses tools and techniques, take away the tools and techniques from any artists and what will they be left with? So stop looking at AI art being the problem its fear-based.
@@cinematic_monkeynope, a lot of ai art looks cheap and lifeless and it reveals how tasteless the “average” of all artworks is. People who prompt put out more commercially viable ai art, and it is usually pleasing to the eye but usually in no way presents a unique outlook on life or humanity in any way, therefore to some not qualifying as anything more than commodity. I really hope how people will see this as time goes on
Thank you for the honesty !! I loved this
Great video, thank you. When is your next in person workshop?
I greatly appreciated your video, particularly the segment where you addressed the issue of certain individuals attempting to create barriers to entry in the AI Art community by portraying it as overly complex. In reality, it is quite accessible. Thank you for shedding light on this important topic.😊
Very helpful for some who recently started using midjourney
Yeeeees! This was a needed video!
Keep up the great work
These tools can greatly enhance the editing process and help photographers achieve their desired aesthetic.
Thanks, this was helpful and informative!
Hello mango street, which website would you recommend for the prints and the frames? Because the customer will download such jpg files but they need a website to which prints on a matt/glossy paper, frame it and then get shipped it to their homes??? kindly mention 2-3 websites if you know....eagerly waiting for your reply
yes plz
printify
So, given that AI generated "art" / output of things like midjourney can't be copyrighted in the united states at least, I can just go ahead and copy that persons work and sell it for $500 less than he does. Or just for $100 a piece to make a small but quick profit. Way easier than doing the prompting myself. Heck, one could even sell the intro to the new Disney / Marvel show "Secret invasion", as it was AI generated (unless they used 100 % their own work for source material).
I basically agree, the only thing is that we can’t know for certain that these images are the exact one the AI provided. If they made some edits, they might claim it’s a different “art piece”…
@@sprocket_holes The question will be if just "some edits" classify as significant effort or amount of creative work / human authorship that makes copyrighting it possible. For example, the comic book that used AI art and received partial copyright protection recently. It was determined that the individual images are not protected, but the book as a whole is. So you can just take the art of that comic book and sell it piece by piece and nobody could stop you.
Lol, that's a wil ignorant take, and you can't do that, I dare you to attempt making any money like that. You won't because you cant.
@@Trespasnice hehe
But where does one sell them if one copies that artists work or at one at least makes ones with the prompt ? And Sell it to Disney ? What? I’m curious about how one does that ? :)
Yes, this is exactly how I feel about these AI tool. They should be a way to aid writers, artists, etc not to replace us. I don’t have fear of these things, I’m excited about the possibilities. Sure some jobs will be replaced initially, but will come back once it’s realized you can’t replace humans
I really appreciate your videos in how yall are helping people use these tools, not creating fear and then charging people to take a course from you to play on their fears
Absolutely, I am director of photography and I often use mid journey as a tool to inspire new creative directions or working with art department in giving them a better idea what I am looking for.
If you can’t beat em join em
Brill! really enjoyed this. Thanks
The cringe in that IG post is tough to bear. For a $10 Discord subscription, you, too, can be an artist! But this was a nice little intro on how to use this shit since my job is basically forcing me to....sigh.
Fantastic video. Thank you for sharing 🙏
Love this and your perspective on the whole AI phenomenon right now
I've been experimenting with midjourney for quite some time now, and I believe I've gotten pretty good at it. It has completely replaced the need for using stock website. But, when you say we can sell "prints" does that mean I have to print that artwork and then send it to the customer or can I just share the high res psd file???? also where can I do this?
Basically once you make a site you can connect it to a system that will print and deliver your designs to your client without you printing yourself.
They got in quick because they knew how it easy it is and everyone would jump on it. Pretty obvious business model!
can we get prompt by uploading image on midjourney
thanks in advance
What is the size of this art and the dpi?
On point! Love it.
You have no idea how much I love you for this!
Love this, Thanks.
Yeah. I think it's fine to sell prints of something you use AI to generate. But $1,500 that's bonkers.
Honestly the generated phots are dope, but they should be like $15 not 1500 especially since it van take less than 1 hour to make
If someone would you pay for it, you not take it? lol ok
@@bryantnojang709the art is in selling it for 1,5k.
@@bryantnojang70915? Lol ain't selling for that low u nuts
@@bryantnojang709I will create something and people willing to pay u potatoe
My entire workflow is in every image I create. That is not figurative. Comfy UI literally puts the json workflow into the image. If I share that image with you, you can not only recreate that image, exactly, but you can also make the prompt your own by changing the prompt or adding or subtracting nodes from the workflow or changing the models used. That is how AI artists roll.
this is unbelievable. Thanks for sharing
Definitely. Gotta hustle
I wouldn't say it's hard, but it can be difficult to get a cool looking or an image you want
Is this legal to use AI generated someone’s existing faces for commercial use ?
I really like this! I see endless possibilities
Love this video. Thank you
Date nights got so much easier with a kahma quick portrait, no filters needed!
its about making money, not art.
For some that's true, but for some, that was _always_ true. AI didn't invent capitalism or greed, any more than it invented forgery and fraud. Greedy people gonna do greedy things. If you don't see the difference, that sorta suggests where you stand.
Well said
I literally just watched this video 2-29-24, & it is now 3-2-24, wow
R.I.P Iris Apfel
You are a legend for sharing this. May you shine in all your endeavors 🙌✨
I have a question, I would like to start a monthly digital art magazine where I would like to feature and promote AI-generated images prompted by others. Can I do so for commercial use? Who is a copyright owner if these images were made by AI?
If you just enter a prompt and have an ai output an image that image can't be copyrighted. In order to be able to copyright an image the creator has to be significantly edited by a person. (What constitutes 'significant' isn't super clearly defined as far as I know.)
yes Of course you can ... you r the copyright owner... great idea though.... Don't forget to Send me your 1st copy 👍
It's 2006 and we're all working at Blockbuster!!
Excellent vid thanks 😊
Can it be upload to Flickr as well ???
Love your input, but as a photographer, I'm now sure I agree with you that AI cannot be used to make money. I do, and it does not take away from my other types of work.
The prompts are more complex than your video makes out, especially depending on the mid-journey version used, the level of your membership, which in turn tells MJ how many characters it can read. Then, of course, there are countless hours upscaling, correcting, formatting, finding the right printing papers, presentation, uploading, marketing and eventually selling.
You really should consider this before making a quick video to really sell your business ... which I like by-the-way.
This is eye opening!
The tone of this video is pretty much perfect.
Nice video! I set up shop with my AI doodles :)
Hello, I’m an abstract artist and would like to use my painting within the ai artwork. For example at the background of someone (ai generated) is this possible to merge the two somehow?
yes it is possible, also if you want i could help
@@CrazyStreet69 oh that would be amazing. Are you on Fiver by any chance?
Thanks for sharing this.
Can you upload your own photos and videos and edit it the same way you just did?
From Hell AI artists were born and back to Hell they will return.
Amen! Anyone can write a prompt, and even the phrase "prompt engineer" is ridiculous. There is no art to any of this, and the only "engineering" is knowing a few key phrases. It is at any basic level theft to use uncompensated work by artists and photographers to create machine generated images, and theft is what AI "art" is. (Also, isn't it simply cool to know that someone -- a person -- toiled and loved and hated a work as they created it, that the result is an ineffable expression of the human spirit and therefore "magic"?)
Subscribed! Whens the NFT tutorial coming?
i am still thinking that the people making money with AI Art are theo people who tells you how to make money with AI art.
True. Masses aren't yet idiots to pay thousands of dollars for ai images
During the gold rush the people who made the most money were those who sold the shovels
@@friedchickenlover7291 haha. good said.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the output file tiny?
You can also use AI to upscale things.
I love how this video showcases the possibilities of AI-generated art and how it can serve as a starting point for creativity.
yes but the database of ai is completely filled with illegals scraping of websites like artstaion, shutterstock and copyrighted personal website photos
It's no creativity, that is called theft.
🤔 Art?
Brilliant vid
interesting and informative video, V5 still cant do hands I see
Thank you❤
Good insight, I even made an animation about AI art
Is this discord anything else than a messy front end for Dall-E? If so, the original is cheaper lol
Just Googled up JP. Those old lady images are now priced at $1750. Maybe they're "platinum prints" LOL. God bless him and capitalism!
I really liked one of his images, but def couldn't afford it. So I created my own on midjourney and it is amazing! Also JP has a really snooty attitude
Your content is always top-notch! Have you thought about reviewing Stylar’s AI? I think it’s really something special.
You're right. AI shouldn't been seen as the finish line. But it will be.
One thing it may point some light to is the areas of photography that are usually seen as the photographer being creative or having a good eye, and photographers were happy to take credit for it, but were really just collecting pretty objects together and taking a picture of it.
AI is going to do something similar to what autofocus did. Make people get really upset when you point out it's not you, it's the machine.
I can see this being a pretty good early trend for people who do high school senior portraits until seniors start doing it on their own. A photographer charges for a portrait so that AI can make fantasy versions.
It’s midjourney, not finished journey
@@knightlight5497 Not me that said finished journey.
When he said "I put my pen down" he actually was talking about his Pen, not that pen.
These tools are amazing. Time to quit my day job!
It's definitely cool... a tool that can be used by creatives. It makes me wonder how AI as a whole will progress in the future. Exciting but honestly a little scary.
How to make Money? How and where to sell those Pics?
Great video!!
Did I miss something? The video only say print on the demand to make money? Everyone already knows that
I wanna know where they sell the good stuff at.
Why do they need to use workflows, AI models, controlnet and scanning drawings that takes weeks to make 1 image? Where do they sell such AI arts on? Are prompts not enough that they need to use more AI tools?
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She has 3 hands (2:31)
For me art starts with an idea. And to realise this idea as a piece of art brings joy and deep satisfaction to the artist - but hardly if this is done by someone else or even by a piece of software like Midjourney! Here all you have to do is to enter the right prompt into the keyboard and wit what is happening. To me this has nothing to do with the creative process of a fine artist.
I'm truly curious to know how much they make.
Do they really make that sort of money?
People who buy AI prints are either stupid or lazy because anyone can pay a fraction of that to just do it themselves...I doubt this is a very lucrative business model
Are images copyright free?
Only if they aren’t of anyone else’s character or look almost identical to another copyrighted image
revenue must start with publicity, but there are artists who keep paywalling their works, which is even worse in NSFW where they send it through messages, proactively killing their reliability in order to tackle piracy. AI is just an ultimatum.
life to the living!
Can Midjourney take a motif or design for a t-shirt that I want to print and display it on a (AI generated) model of my preferred gender?
Imagine capturing images never seen by human eyes.
All the AI images I have seen so far with people have the same look, as if they were created by the same artist. (basically they are! a computer) The mark of a true artist is having a signature look. Im not sure how this fits into the art world?
You can actually create a very unique look if you know how to do that. Those people just don't know how to use the tool.
love it!!
replicate prompt in 5min of course - But now, please add my exact sweater into scene, or I want my same AI model girl wearing my exact collection! Ah, not that easy with MJ hein!? Well, that's why we are still the only AI gen studio in the world with real use cases published work... And we can't find AI artists that can help us to do the huge amount of work brands are contacting us for...
I don’t understand your comment. You just chose useless category to work with. Any graphical designer can do all this changes what you described in short time drinking coffee. I know you wanna sound cool ai agency 😂 But let’s be real. If someone is paying for fake art, he is absolutely retarded 😂
Having a brand can help you sell online.
I'm contemplating a MidJourney subscription to create images, especially since I'm skilled at using prompts. My plan is to open a Fiverr account to sell these images and fulfill requests from clients. I'm wondering whether it's essential to be proficient in editing software. Should I prioritize acquiring Photoshop and honing my skills through RUclips tutorials before beginning with MidJourney? What's your perspective on this approach?
Take that A.I ! 😂