Old Cars & Obsolete Parts - Upgrading the Magna Ralliart's Brakes Using Custom Made Bits!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- So I wanted to upgrade the brakes on my Magna Ralliart, only to discover that you simply can't buy some of the bits any more. Nobody makes them! So today we're working out what fits, and what we need to do to get it all working properly. #motoringbox
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Please note: I enjoy working on cars but I can't promise that what I do will work for your particular car, or that you won't harm yourself, someone else, your car, or your warranty doing it. Please be safe, be responsible and if you're not sure what you're doing, get a qualified mechanic to help you out.
Just a reminder that all product links are in the video description, but here's a summary:
*Front rotors:* RDA RDA7625D
*Front pads:* EBC Ultimax2 - DP0954
*Rear rotors:* RDA RDA7624D
*Rear pads:* RDA GP MAX - MIT-RDB1231-105
TLDR: You need to use Magna AWD Pads and Rotors, with the rear rotors needing a spacer.
I'd like to see the car painted
I think painting her would finish off the magic work that you’ve done so far … the icing on the cake, cheers mouse
You are a bloody legend for having this available for those who need them.
A quick note for the future - always ring around any "makerspaces" near to you - some of them have waterjet cutting tables, you could get a set of custom spacers made like that for little more than the cost of a big enough sheet of alloy to fit 4 on it. Also a donation to the makerspace to help keep it going.
Great video, I would paint it, there are plenty of Magnas with paint peel but few with perfect paint. The world of older cars can be strange at times, anything European, Korean and American you usually can get thanks to multiple OEs still making parts and the various websites selling them in their respective continents. Japanese and Australian cars can be ok to source parts but the rare and unusual ones seem to be the hardest and require engineering solutions (like your spacer) to make what is available fit. Normally it’s the little parts that are the hardest to source such as hoses and connectors.
Damn where were you 15 years ago! Love the content, doing the old Aussie Magna Owners proud.
The Magna needs to be painted so that it looks as good as it drives!!!👌
Use a bungee cord to secure the calliper, when you take it off the rotor to ensure it dosent fall off. Its easy to hook up under the car as well
I know it’s not a cheap option, Sean, but I’m hoping she gets a lick of paint, too.
This car is just screaming to be a rolling testament to the phrase “restored to it’s former glory.”
Omg this amazing, ive been stretching all the life i can out my rotors for this very reason.
Glad you got it sorted 👍
Not sure if it would have worked in your case but for us AU owners who have put territory rear brakes on we spaced the rear calipers 3mm using washers. It sets the caliper back to suit the disc.
380 brakes wont work on the rear, but the benefit of using the awd magna setup(as factory ralliart does) means you have waaay more pad and rotor options as they are also used on the evo 5,EC5A/W legnum and galant and cj lancer ralliart(as well as other cars mitsubishi pulled these out of the parts bin for). the official stats from MMAL state the front as a 26% increase for the front and 35% on the rear in braking efficiency.(also sean, i have a factory bulletin from mmal with official stats regarding the changes to the ralliart)
Unfortunately, these factory rotors have been unobtanium for years. DBA do have a part number, but they are unable to be ordered from them and we believe mitsubishi may have put a block on DBA selling them. All you need now is a set of braided brake lines(HEL ones for a legnum/galant will work) to top it all off.
Also to anyone mentioning that its dangerous running this spacer, all mitsubishi did is to make the hat of the rotor 3.7mm larger. Effectively it has that spacer homologated and built in from factory.
And there it is.... 3.7 mm difference between the hat size.
I saw a minty fresh red Magna Ralliart at the local servo the other day. Driven by an old dude. Made me smile seeing it. I wonder if he's had it since new?
Probably would have been! Only cars that have been garaged and looked after since new would be in a condition like that. Unless he's had it resprayed I guess.
Good on you for making that product, it's really hard when you have a rare car to find solutions like that.
And yes, I think it definitely needs to be painted. It deserves it and now that the interior is nice the exterior should be too.
@4:28 Mass effect Club Music!!! Up the Magna/Verada!!
That was a genius move with the rear brakes! Would love to see it painted, maybe a collab with a paint shop in Ipswich or Brissy?
10:00 the ABS is working well too. I'm not a TJ Ralliart owner but I do have a TJ Sports and the ABS has saved me a couple of times, it does work well. Your choice if you want to repaint it, the sable black pearl had a deep green hue to it and it looked great in the day when these cars were new 20+ years ago.
As a valiant owner redo the paint if you can afford it. You never see these things anymore or the old vals which were never treated well.
If not you have already done a great job. I'm not a magna fan but your content is amazing.
Absolutely amazing work Sean!
Thank you for this invaluable for us that own these Ralliart’s.
We all appreciate it immensely!
Bear in mind your wheel studs are effectively 3mm shorter now. Worth checking the nut has full engagement of the thread.
Yup, it seems fine.
Definitely painted! In one of the last shots of the video it looked like it had a bit of green pearl to it? Not sure of the factory colour but looks great so far. Maybe when you go to do the wheel bearings, go back and paint up the callipers😉
Sable Black is the colour name of this. You are corrext in that It has a green metallic flake through it that looks incredible in the sun
Mate I love the old school need for speed music! Haven’t heard it in about 18 years and recognised it straight away
Good work with that spacer. I want to see it painted!
Well dome on your troubleshooting and ingenuity Sean
I reckon paint it Sean if its witin the budget. Its a classic that deserves to be brought back to former glory I reckon.
That car looks just magnificent with those wheels! You should reeeeeeely get some mad photos with a good backdrop mate!
Great work Sean, I did a similar thing on my Subaru Leone with a Crossbred Brake rear disc conversion that needed a little adjustment. I only needed 2 mm though and I home made them out of 2mm aluminium plate. It's amazing how accurate you can be with a little bit of care and a 1:1 print out of the CAD design stuck to the sheet as a guide.
Thank you, he found everything in the description. 🙏😊
Love your content, keep it up! :)
Just letting you know that the Front RDA Slotted and Dimpled Brake Disc Rotors you accidentally fitted them opposite left and right. The Rear Slotted and Dimpled Brake Disc Rotors were fitted in the correct orientation. The inside of the box show a picture of the correct orientation. I work for an RDA Accredited Supplier and I use these Brake Disc Rotors every day.
Cheers, yeah I realised that later - will be swapping them around soon.
Vast majority of these have rusted out, this one looks clean, I reckon its worth your money getting it resprayed, definitely will get the money back and more when you sell it.
Sean coming in hot with the music selection and timing
I was waiting for you to hit your head on the open locker thing haha
Defo for a respray no doubt shiny new black with almost new enkei wheels. It. Would. Pop. That and fix the drivers seat bolster and you’re done 👍 very underrated Aussie modem classic
so on my au xr8 brake upgrade to gt bf rear brakes i used 3mm ht washers on the caliper mounts to space the pads across about $1.60 for 4 i think that would work the same except your wheels or now spaced further out. nice clean job well done.
Hey Scotty I rang the bell.
Well I already rang that bell quite a while ago.
Get her painted, mate. These cars are an awesome bit of automotive history.
I wish I could get one myself.
Those discs on the rear are so cute!!! They're TINY!!!
284mm from memory! I think the ones on the AU were 287mm.
Lol the FRONT discs on a Datsun 180B wagon are 232mm solid discs. The pads are smaller than a business card.
Great thinking and problem solving Shawn! The spacers were a great idea💡
Technically its 3.7mm and a spacer to sit BEHIND the hub would have been so much neater and cleaner and kept the face of the rotor against the hub and ensured proper centre bore loading of the wheel.
All the figures I could find suggested 57mm vs 60.2mm - so far it works so who knows really.
Love the car! Great video quality also. Would be good to see it resprayed in that original colour.
I can say that my dented, scratched, stone-chipped car (I put a few on there myself while the thing was off the road being used primarily for storage) is a nice thing to have as a daily driver, especially when my 4 year old is a bit overzealous opening my wife's car door into mine. Not having to worry about the exterior condition is a nice thing. However, having an 'enthusiast' car that looks scrappy tends to be looked on less than favourably. Dilemmas
I do like that aspect of it - you can enjoy the car and take it everywhere without stressing out. But yeah, could look a lot better.
Not all heroes ware capes!!💪😅
Well done mate!👌
Sean I have a 94 ef falcon and I am having trouble with parts for that now especially inside bits
And there were thousands built so I understand were you are coming from
But yes a Magna and then rallyart on top of that , yes that’s next level difficult 👍👍
There's something in this setup that, once reworked slightly and a rotor manufacturer sourced that could do custom units- to enable E-Series Falcons the ability to run AU- onwards offset wheels.
Very intriguing.
I think the difference in offset between E-Series and AU is pretty big though - something like 30mm?
Nothing some longer wheelstuds can’t fix… *Wink*
Heya mate… looking nice and tidy. It’s perfect time for bearings…. Hehe
Good job old boy..
Try putting Penetrol on the peeling and faded areas of the paint. It’s made by Flood and you get it at Bunnings. It’s an oil that’s meant for rust protection and sealing timber but it works very well as a wipe on clear coat
Please paint it🙏love your work but that is doing my head in😁
Nice to have some good stopping power again I bet.
Here’s me sipping my coffee watching. You know that scene when Maverick requests a flyby of the tower and does it anyway? Well when you dropped, “them’s the brakes”, I didn’t see it coming and I wore my coffee down the front of my shirt and said, “God damn it Sean!” As I brushed it off my shirt.
Great video on the brakes Sean. I still thought you'd be able to pick up the rear rotors like you can on Fords or Holdens.
In regards to your question on the paintwork, I'd say do a closed door respray. A lot of the prep work you can do yourself. Have a chat to a spraypainter around your area and they'll tell you what you can do so it wont cost you an arm or a leg. Remember that prices have gone up on paint & sundries. If you're wondering what paint system to use, I recommend Baslac which is made by BASF. The results will astonish you, if painted well. Just look at the smash repair places & see if they use it.
Very nice content. I'm a viewer from the Netherlands who currently owns an American version Mitsubishi diamante VRX from 2002, coincidentally black. I can get some parts for it here in Europe when searching by part numbers, but some parts are truly unique to the diamante/magna platform, like the rear discs indeed, had those shipped from the USA! I am however looking for a vrx bodykit from Australia as that market had a one off kit! A ralliart bodykit is out the question as they are so rare...
Again awesome content.
I vote yes for some paint!
Definitely painted will look unreal
Can also space the calliper inwards using washers but like your solution as it increases track. Does make the studs a bit shorter though which may be an issue with some wheels.
Nah, the way they mount up... any spacer will be spacing it outwards.
If you don't paint it , consider some choice decals & perhaps powder coating the wheels. Aiming for a racey look perhaps.
Those konis look like they could use a birthday.
Definitely get it repainted 👌
Well done Sean
Nick Australia
Good on ya Seano.
Nice video Sean, good information and a nice way of getting our struggles out there. The reason for the difference is that not many manufacturers made the Ralliart rear hats the depth they are meant to be and labelled and sold them as such.
The rotors you had to try and put on your car are the AWD rear rotors which have the taller hat. A lot of people and manufacturers have gotten the hat depth mixed up over time. They just see the size and go, oh yep that's the one and order them and they don't fit.
Hopper stoppers do make a spacer like yours so you can convert to AWD rear rotors (as nobody makes the correct Ralliart ones anymore), OR... upgrade to EVO 7-9 brakes all round like I and many other magna owners have done. Highly recommend you look in to look in to this if you don't care about keeping it 100% pure, it may also be cheaper than buying all those spacers :)
Bit late now 😂
Definitely paint it. Huge commitment to the car though.
great work sean 👏
I personally would like to see it painted. To me, although mechanically sound, appearance wise to me, it would still seem to be a half finished and to leave it "patina" would not do the restoration of this car justice.
If it was a 40's, 50's, 60,s car, with a clear coat over it, you could maybe get away with this.
But this car is more of a modern classic, and I feel it needs to be finished by being painted.
Perhaps, if someone with a Paint Shop business who maybe watching this channel, may like to help you out, in exchange for some extra publicity?
I started watching this channel because of this project and my interest to see how the Magna progressed.
Well done great work.
Sean, I really think the Magna deserves a bit of paint!
Excellent video Sean! I must say that you are an absolute legend to the Magna community for getting those spacers made and making them available to people to buy. I know it’s a niche thing but fuck me, there will be owners who will appreciate that so much. To touch on your question about the paint, hands down get it resprayed. I know you probably won’t get a full ROI on it but man, it’ll be so sick driving around in that car in it’s prime. You’ve put so much work into it already, why not go balls deep 😂. Gotta also say that the drop in of that blue screen, gold, gave me a chuckle, as an IT guy, seeing that thrown in haha. Honestly though, keep up the great work, I know the Magna has been a bit of a ballache and you’d rather go back to the Falcons but as a Falcon tragic myself, I’m hooked onto each step of this car. Can’t wait for the next installment and I really do hope you go the respray option, I think it’ll turn out great!
Paint it paint it paint it paint it paint it paint it
Maybe try a home paint job or raptor line it?
Great work mate
Nice.
Yeah got to paint it.
That straight face double pad lol
Good job. If you can't buy the spares, get 'em made! Try buying a new brake booster for an FG Falcon. Hens teeth.
Doing well and I will pass the info onto the ralliart guys I know
May want to check the direction on the front rotors. Should be the other direction like you did with the rear 🤙
Shit, you're right!
Your channel is really starting to grow Sean thanks for the great videos
The quality gets better every video Shaun!! Quick Q, what rags do you use?
I bought a 10-pack of Scott Shop Towels last time I was at Costco. They're just garage equivalents of paper towel you'd use in the kitchen. Pretty useful for little jobs like this.
@@MotoringBoxTV Thanks! Will give them a look
My back inner tyres are wearing down in a crinkle cut looking way. More puzzles and me Sable is going matt.
Always a pleasure watching your videos Sean, thanks
Could also use those spacers on the other side to change wheel offset. Some times BBK clearance only requires 3mm to get perfect.
I'd be pretty sure the front rotor you show being fitted is for RH side. Normally the slots radiate outward as they pass through the caliper. Your one is opposite to that convention.
spread some anti-seize on that spacer next time, so it doesnt mate to your hub and be a PITA to remove in the future when doing your brakes :)
Paint it! Be good to see the prep and result.
Did you put the front rotors on backwards? The slots are going different to the rears?
I always understood the install direction was correct on the rears. Meaning, slot would start against the hat and work towards the outside in the direction of travel.
🤣Ya gotta paint it bro...lol.
Hey mate, loving the content, just a tip when taking the calliper off, use a strong metal hook or wire and hang it from the shock, keeps it up out the way 👍 😀
Hey Sean i think they could also double as wheel spacers on falcons as i am pretty sure the PCD is the same
Yes definitely. They're only 3mm though.
Wow hopped on the phone and this popped up straight away, love the content
Great video mate, loved the comedy and the editing 👍🏻
Awesome 😃😃
Front brake hardware is identical to AWD Magna plus a fair few other Mitsubishi models such as Evo 5 I believe. Front brake consumables shouldn't ever be a problem unlike the rears.
Good job mate.
I got my new exhaust on the vs sounds absolutely insane from the original put a chrome tip on and she's looking like a proper car just needs some surface rust repair on the fender and some paint touch up some nice ss rims hopefully vx or ve ones and she's done maybe lower it with some ssl kings and a bit of a cleanup in the engine bay look after that good ol series 2 ecotec
Nitrous install 😊
the music you have sounds like early need for speed sound track
You can’t wait to get back to Falcons! Wash your mouth out!😂😂 Paint it of course. Great solution on the brakes.
We know you love the car, admit it, Falcons yesterdays news!😂 Thanks another great video.
Great video
Side note: I make brackets that allow you to fit S550 mustang 6pot brembos to b series falcon. I'm sure you could fit a brembo kit from a evo or something onto this? Its handy if the stud pattern is the same though.
When I was working in the Parts Department at my local Mitsubishi dealership, there were "Kangaroo Paw" brake parts available. I'd also suggest noting what the genuine Mitsubishi Ralliart OEM part numbers are, then doing a Google search. "Fits Ralliart" isn't always accurate.