Great video!! Glad to see some tank videos for Ascension. But... 1. Use that Revenge talent, Sword and Board talent works with Devastate AND Revenge. Pick up Unrelenting Assault and Improved Revenge. Begone with Hasty Shield Block RE, pick up Reproachful Revenge. This way you have more Thunder Clap chances, more threat. Revenge criting more and hitting extra targets which is more threat. Imp. Revenge allow Devastate hitting more targets, more damage and threat. 2. Remove Talent points from Tenacity (Prot Pally tree) to Improved Rightous Fury (Prot Pally tree) to get more threat and a flat out 3% damage taken decrease from all source of damage instead of just armor value. 3. Since you have a high Block chance and not lacking Rage (I assume), I would switch Shield Specialization RE with Mental Quickness RE. 4. As everyone else mentioned, USE Rightous Fury. :D Bonus Thought: You can use Titan's Grip talent with a two-handed weapon and a shield, not just only staves. And since All of your moves are on a fixed damage, expect for Devastate, which is based from weapon damage. You can use Titan's grip to boost your Thunder Clap to get 60% more damage when wielding a two-handed. (there is no restriction for not working Titan's grip). with more chance of Thunder Clapping via Revenge and Devastate due to Sword and Thunder RE. You become the Thunder's God. :D Again, I LOVE the tank videos and I hope with these changes might help for another video?!?
He kinda missunderstood how the hammer build is suppose to work i belive. It´s hammer->thunder clap or hammer of the righteous->chain lightning>tc/hotr->lightning bolt->tc/hotr->cl->repeat. U need to take the reduce cl talent and the main deal is increase your sp and lb/cl threat. u can opt for skipping lb and giving you 2 global CDs to do other stuff with that will reduce hammer uptime tho. Only my 2 cents...gonna try makin a build around this =)
41:39 not sure if it is a visual bug but most of the gameplay from that dungeon run it looks like you do not have Righteous Fury on when you talk about the threat issues. Was an entertaining watch regardless, keep them coming.
It’s not a bug he just didn’t have it on and forgot to rebuff himself after deaths. Honestly it’s a normal thing to forget but that would counter act his issues he was talking about near the end.
during the LBRS it looked like you didnt have righteous fury on in your buffs so that could have been a part of it, but im sure not necessarily the only reason you were losing threat
For any Tank with threat issues, pick Vigilance. It helps alot if you aim to raid/high m+ as tank. Because once your dps Players go into 3k+ st dps you will need it to compensate for the loss of threat
Actually Reincarnation does not count towards ressurection cap on Retail, although in mythic keystones death still counts towards time decrease, so there's that.
Since the Legendary scales the Spellpower of your Stamina, you could take 3 talent points into the survival hunter talent, which increase your attack power base on your Stamina, which with the talent Mental Quickness should scale well.
At the end when he was talking about his aggro in the M+, he didn't have it on either :') Oh dear. Probably due to a wipe earlier on etc though, who knows :).
I've been playing around with this spec now for a while ever since you first tried it. I tried the 2h parry my self as I found it required less points in to defence talents and then I could play around with the build more picking thinks up like lighting shield and taking the RE that increases thunder clap by the lighting shield orbs. I found better luck with that sort of style than block. PS. Love the content you provid for us always helps me with trying something new when I feel stuck as a meta slave!
totally agree with this conclusion, I made a thunder tank on free pick, complete with lightning shield, stormstrike, and thunderstorm, the mana isnt held the greatest and the threat is hard to keep with any real pumper dps, theres a nice enchant for lightning shield that also refreshes the cd on thunder clap and its close to spammable
I have tried to make this build work. Stormhammer's range needs to be upped to 25-30 yards from 15 with a on hit proc wich does a thunderclap with crackling thunder RE effect for more threat/damage. Also up chain lightning's mobs hit from 3 to 5 or 6 while in defensive stance
That build looks so fun... I will begin playing Ascension very soon (like within the next 1-2 months). Keep it up, making these awesome videos. THANKS!
The Founder's Charter is granted to anyone who purchases access to an alpha server. I got mine for purchasing the CoA alpha but im pretty sure it’s available to those who purchased WoTLK Clsssless Alpha also.
they should seperate it into three categories with random skills that are random across all of them Tank spec - you're more likely to get threat and defensive utility skills from your draws Healer spec - you're more likely to get healing utility skills from your draws Dps spec - you're more likely to get damage oriented skills from your draws while still remaining random, but also giving you a higher likelihood of getting to a build you enjoy based on what role you want to play this system can be in place while also leaving room to make things like mana utility still true random, maybe pets can still be true random and all of that stuff that's not specific to a singular role I've never played wow, or ascension but after watching you play for so long this is something that seems really resonable to me for player enjoyment and the extension of their playtime for a buisness perspective. on another note, i feel they should take an aspect from FFXIV (I know apples to oranges) where you activate a tank stance and that just propels your "threat" through the stratosphere and you basically always get agro on everything you attack, which would make it feel way more enjoyable to tank through ALL content. I couldn't imagine having to micromanage a mediocre at best system, that falls apart at mythic +20 for all i can seem to fathom, the gap between tank and dps dps just has to increase to such an absurd margine that it's not even fun to try and keep threat and remain tanky anymore UNLESS you have a perfect build, which like I said can't be enjoyable to play. I think tanking in Ascension seems to really need some love. It's not the most popular thing for people to play, which maybe is a reason they haven't seemed to work on it much lately, but it's not that popular for A REASON.
I've been taking a break from Ascension but Stormhammer was the last thing i was working on. I was running it INT based with Defensive Magic, Lightning Discharge and Lightning Strikes Twice as epic RE's. I feel like that staff + shield idea would be absolutely perfect for it. Please see this, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this twist.
My two cents on the matter of threat issue is this: Make all the current threat modifier epic REs rares so that you dont have to sacrifice your build fantasy or rotation just for flat 25% X threat
Yeah I don’t like how dramatic he makes it when he gets 3 commons he cant use. As long as I get 3 choices that dont cost talent points or are rare/epic/legendary I am happy. You get to max and have like 100 rerolls, you should get 75% of your build with those, then you get to work on your build as you go with more rerolls. If we got everything we need instantly there would be no point to rerolls.
From all my brews and rerolls on tanks I think the one I had most fun with (but also painfully hard to get all the right skills) is arcane tank with arcane explotion, missiles and Warmage mod. It took some time to get used to the rotations but damn the aoe damange it does is just silly along with the kiteing. Less damage on bosses though but threat is usually never a problem ^^
I am currently running a Holy/Nature Spec (Lvl 70) and i tried the concussive RE and realised the Threat was not that good, so i switched to Stormbringer.....there is also great synergy with Stormstrike and Lightning shield (Gives you more charges, allows you to regain charges on lightning shield to generate Thunderclap resets....which can proc on every target and on CL. Noticed i am able to generate alot more threat and damage with that tbh. (Note: I am not running Sword and Board there are two ways it seems to beable to reset your thunderclap i think the Lightning shield procs reducing it CD is still alot more consistant.) Published the build this morning you can find it on lvl 70 pve tanking - named Purity of Lightning. (Hope this helps)
Speaking of Odd Titan's Grip pairings.. A polearm and a shield would be sick, maybe even do a separate enchant around it like "Phalanx" or something. No idea what kind of effect it could have but food for thought.
In the latest news post on the site, they talk about new RE's being tested on the wrath server, one of them is a polearm/shield set up! It's called hoplight
The founder's pack was a store item back some time ago, don't remember how much it cost. However I bought it near the first few moments of Project Awakening (Ascension name before.. well Ascension) basically back when only around 20-30 people were playing, before the server blew up in popularity.
Agree with a lot bro I also think all those new 25% bonus threat REs for fire nature etc… they should be blues and if they don’t wanna make them stackable then just allow 1 like they do with the dual wield re
What if you dropped the Shockwave Epic RE and put in Lightning strikes twice or Forked Lightning? Just to really amp up Chain Lightnings AoE threat potential.
With titan's grip you can use any 2H wep with a shield, not just a staff, so for a tank it sounds good with the paladin talent % wep dmg, but probably not great for thunderclap. Source: I've seen a bear. It's good for bears.
You should try the Storm born version (2 Hand Parry Tank). I just build it and its a lot of fun seeing the Lightning all over the place. :) Apart from that keep up the grind with the videos.
I got my founder title from buying the Conquest Of Azeroth Alpha Bundle. Also you are not the only unlucky one for spell draw, I got counter attack 5 times in a matter of leveling on my caster...
im loving the barmans shanker i think i have it at mythic + 4, its 1.6 dagger and it has loads of str/stam and has hit rating to boot + faster attacks = more rage so its a cool weapon, none of the defence and such though
Of the tank builds you have tried out recently, which one is "the best", and I know that's subjective. Which one would you pick if you only had 1 choice
Your combined chance to be missed is this: 5%, then add whatever the percentage number is while you hover over your defense (when you're crit immune it is 5.6%) so that's 10.6% chance to be missed. Now you add parry and dodge. The number of miss+parry+dodge is your avoidance. Now, you just need to have enough numbers that miss+parry+dodge+block is 102.4%, anything more than that makes any additional block chance wasted. Block value is still useful, of course. Usually it would be just a flat 100% against equally leveled opponents, buy bosses are 3 levels higher than their player, their increased weapon skill from that basically gives them expertise, that's why you need the 102.4% to counteract their advantage.
dunno bout other people....but i love getting shadowburn/drain soul to get a lock pet and hopefully soul link (plus the talents if you get voidwalker/felhunter or felguard) for some dmg reduction.
Me too but when shadowburn was offered to me I already had drain soul. Plus drain soul is just better since it doesn't take a talent point unless you plan to use the spell itself
I use this build but with Lightning Shield and Storm Strike. Lightning shield makes up a lot of the DPS and shockwave is just fun for trash pulls. I use Deconstruct on single target although I do have the problem of too many buttons to press sometimes with StormStrike, Storm Hammer, Thunderclap, Chain Lightning, Holy Shield and then Devastate/Deconstruct (I have shield block too). That said SS hits for nothing and is more for the buff and Lightning Shield refresh so I like being able to spam deconstruct :D No survivability problems yet however tanking makes me nervous as I don't know all the routes (or the skips to be precise and its just expected) so I haven't tried anything above Mythic 0 and like to stick to Dire Maul for Mythic. Just fishing for Blessing of Sanc/Seal of Wisdom, Aoe Taunt, Last Stand (although i'm talent ability heavy) and maybe Cleansing Totem. A good change for Titans grip from a tank perspective would be a threat increase trade off for the damage reduction. This would only need to apply if you had Def Stance, Righteous Fury or Bear form active? I did consider it anyway as a 2h makes Thunderclap hit 30% harder but need a fast weapon for the Maelstrom procs.
would putting more talent points into the tree you want, give you better chances/odds to get cards for that spec? Like if you're looking for Chain Lightning, maybe put more talent points into Elemental for Shaman?
The problem u have is cos u mix up betwen the different tank spacs xD if u focus on thunderclap u should use a 2h weapon (60% more dmg for TC) if u build a block tank u just need a shieldslam cos its damn awsome for threat and damage. but it makes no sence to build a block tank focusing on thunderclap and the stormhammer RE is for a 2h build thats why u get problems. and if u wanna hold aggro with spellpower based abilitys u just HAVE to take improved righteus fury. anyaway nice vid love ur energy xD *sorry for bad english
I'm playing a 2h Thundertank and don't rolled righteous fury. Cause it does enough thread when u use stormhammer before chain lightning. Can easily tank world bosses with ilvl 67 and hold thread against some pumper DPS With the rest I completely agree 👍
Hey McDoubles I want to let you know that I feel your pain I have been playing a tanky character and I've not been able to get shieldblock or shield wall at all playing a thunderclap tank haven't even been able to get righteous fury and on my other character I haven't been able to get the essential abilities I need to really make the characters great I feel your pain but I do find that this game is still better than retail while in my opinion I'm still having and trying to have a bunch of fun so keep in it I'm here we're all here watching you and enjoying the ride with you as much as we can
Been looking into tanking on my bulwark tank, and tbh 2h parry tank seems to be the way to go they do more damage and get less rekt by magic, but been having a blast tanking
Not sold on 2H stormhammer tanks? I'm 99% certain its the single best threat output in the game. Or it at least it was when they buffed it to the moon with the addition of "Thunder and Lightning"
I had a guy 2h tank with it and he felt about as good as my swordnboard guy does here, but I'm just skeptical that's all. If I can test it I think I will.
Feel free to message me if you want pointers, but the core of the build is rollable at lvl 1: stance, lightning shield, thunder clap. Haven't touched the 60 server since before the blanket threat buffs (bandaid solution does not fix the tank problems on ascension). Never pass on rockbiter though.
if you ever take Mental quickness, you should take 3/3 of the mental quickness RE, no? It like doubles it. I think that would be better than Hasty shieldblock
Tank (shield based at least) requires too many REs and talents to work. Maybe that alone is why I should try a 2h parry version and just become new-age Thor.
@@paxtonjolly7975 that’s where the current ones are from yes. I was talking about the original “founders” title which was awarded a very very long time ago
the only problem with spellpower based tanks is that there is no spellpower plate tank gear in classic. paladins tank works in TBC because theres tank spell power plate gear. it never worked in classic because theres no such gear.
Hey! Sir! I'd love to see your big brain make a cool warlock type tank that doesn't use the corrupted bear form. I think it'd be sick to see a metamorphosis, though I know it'll be hard.
Man that ending on that one piece of gear... When you said you were depending all your dopamine rush on that one piece of gear, and it was barely an upgrade... That made me so sad.
They just need a role option similar to the main stat option they have. Then give the tank option something like all abilities have 100% increased threat. Stacking with other threat increasing abilities.
I know of one Stormhammer tank being RawpwnzlPoE A very small channel uploading some m+30 runs, last week he did one as Stormhammer/Parrytank. So I guess it is playable at the highest of highs on mythic dungeons. After all, I can just suggest people to check out his/his groups builds, they are pretty good.
Mercia!! Fuck ya!! They handed out founder titles to those who hit 60 without buying it from the store back in the first version of ascension. WAY back in the day. Back when you could stack boomkin with plate armour and prot aura to solo start undead. Before MC was a thing.
The skill rolls are pretty hard to equilibrate. You have to take into account PVE & PVP builds, with in each at least 4 different stat spec & spec (DPS melee/ range/ caster/ hybrid + Heal + Tank). I don't see a better way than now, but the current version could see some improvements like stop seeing the same skills 5 times in a row & also review the rare & epic skills to perform a full rework on them or remove the caps. Some builds require so much you never see them, let luck be luck I would say.
They pushed release to Friday due to some failures on their part that I only have surface level knowledge on :( But if their server doesn't do what Vanilla+ did, I'll be on it and I'll do at least 1 video on it depending on how fun it is
Hmm odd, apparently mentioning that there is already someone who did a build video on this last week and is running mythic 20+'s with it in reaction to your proclamation no one is doing this kind of tank and getting the information out there is getting my comment removed; you might want to look into that. Ynae's version with stormstrike and lightning shield actually does work well but is hard to gear to hyper efficiency, it pulls crazy damage as a tank and is performing better as 2h parry because thunder claps increased aggro on 2h's. Start: RF+Def Stance+Lightning shield+Thunderclap (or aspect of the monkey/evasion if your greedy) Cards: Stormstrike, Concussion blow, shock wave, ghostly strike. any of curse of elements, defensive cooldown, mocking blow (or utility like blessing of sanctuary, tremor or cleansing totem) would be fine pickups too but then your gambling on your core.
Had to reroll 80 times earlier to get Multi-shot on a build that already had pretty much every other hunter ability. The system just didn't get the message.
I'm with you on the RNG. I took a couple months off and got back into Ascension recently and the rolls I got were just awful. Figured maybe it was just a bad luck run, so I prestiged and did it again and had even worse luck. Tried one more time, then gave up. Ascension is great, but I can only handle a certain amount of RNG. I already had issues with it, but they seem to have made it worse, and I think you're probably right about why they're motivated to make those changes. Hate to see it. The second a game reminds me of retail - you know, forcing people to do chores just so they can finally play the goddamn game - is the second I'm out. Trying to roll the right build feels like a chore right now.
hey dude, quick tip, if you have the bg prestige quest, que for 1v1 arenas - they count for quest
Great video!! Glad to see some tank videos for Ascension. But...
1. Use that Revenge talent, Sword and Board talent works with Devastate AND Revenge. Pick up Unrelenting Assault and Improved Revenge. Begone with Hasty Shield Block RE, pick up Reproachful Revenge. This way you have more Thunder Clap chances, more threat. Revenge criting more and hitting extra targets which is more threat. Imp. Revenge allow Devastate hitting more targets, more damage and threat.
2. Remove Talent points from Tenacity (Prot Pally tree) to Improved Rightous Fury (Prot Pally tree) to get more threat and a flat out 3% damage taken decrease from all source of damage instead of just armor value.
3. Since you have a high Block chance and not lacking Rage (I assume), I would switch Shield Specialization RE with Mental Quickness RE.
4. As everyone else mentioned, USE Rightous Fury. :D
Bonus Thought: You can use Titan's Grip talent with a two-handed weapon and a shield, not just only staves. And since All of your moves are on a fixed damage, expect for Devastate, which is based from weapon damage. You can use Titan's grip to boost your Thunder Clap to get 60% more damage when wielding a two-handed. (there is no restriction for not working Titan's grip). with more chance of Thunder Clapping via Revenge and Devastate due to Sword and Thunder RE. You become the Thunder's God. :D
Again, I LOVE the tank videos and I hope with these changes might help for another video?!?
He kinda missunderstood how the hammer build is suppose to work i belive. It´s hammer->thunder clap or hammer of the righteous->chain lightning>tc/hotr->lightning bolt->tc/hotr->cl->repeat. U need to take the reduce cl talent and the main deal is increase your sp and lb/cl threat. u can opt for skipping lb and giving you 2 global CDs to do other stuff with that will reduce hammer uptime tho. Only my 2 cents...gonna try makin a build around this =)
41:39 not sure if it is a visual bug but most of the gameplay from that dungeon run it looks like you do not have Righteous Fury on when you talk about the threat issues.
Was an entertaining watch regardless, keep them coming.
It’s not a bug he just didn’t have it on and forgot to rebuff himself after deaths. Honestly it’s a normal thing to forget but that would counter act his issues he was talking about near the end.
Righteous fury only works if u have it on. 41:32
We died a lot
during the LBRS it looked like you didnt have righteous fury on in your buffs so that could have been a part of it, but im sure not necessarily the only reason you were losing threat
For any Tank with threat issues, pick Vigilance. It helps alot if you aim to raid/high m+ as tank.
Because once your dps Players go into 3k+ st dps you will need it to compensate for the loss of threat
Actually Reincarnation does not count towards ressurection cap on Retail, although in mythic keystones death still counts towards time decrease, so there's that.
Since the Legendary scales the Spellpower of your Stamina, you could take 3 talent points into the survival hunter talent, which increase your attack power base on your Stamina, which with the talent Mental Quickness should scale well.
Is it just me or did you not have Righteous Fury on at all during lvling lol. Thanks for all the content!! Appreciate the time you put in the video's!
At the end when he was talking about his aggro in the M+, he didn't have it on either :') Oh dear. Probably due to a wipe earlier on etc though, who knows :).
THANK YOU hes been doing that in all of his tanking videos , its been making me go crazy for ages now haha
What holy spells was he using?
Consecration…. Sorry
@@chich3n3at3r it also gives flat aggro on ascension i think its not bound to holy only even though holy produces more threat
That founder title is obtained when purchasing CoA or WoTLK, I have it as well
41:00 SO MANY NUMBERS, so much unstable energy
Founder title comes with CoA. You also get a mount and transmog set.
I've been playing around with this spec now for a while ever since you first tried it. I tried the 2h parry my self as I found it required less points in to defence talents and then I could play around with the build more picking thinks up like lighting shield and taking the RE that increases thunder clap by the lighting shield orbs. I found better luck with that sort of style than block.
PS. Love the content you provid for us always helps me with trying something new when I feel stuck as a meta slave!
totally agree with this conclusion, I made a thunder tank on free pick, complete with lightning shield, stormstrike, and thunderstorm, the mana isnt held the greatest and the threat is hard to keep with any real pumper dps, theres a nice enchant for lightning shield that also refreshes the cd on thunder clap and its close to spammable
not quite sure why you didn't do rockbiter if you were planning on doing mental quickness
Been running this build on free pick, thorns has been helping me keep Aggro.
I have tried to make this build work. Stormhammer's range needs to be upped to 25-30 yards from 15 with a on hit proc wich does a thunderclap with crackling thunder RE effect for more threat/damage. Also up chain lightning's mobs hit from 3 to 5 or 6 while in defensive stance
Agreeeeeee
Would love to see this one again now that we can get to 70 and threat is much better now
Hey mate! Just saw your super chats from older videos. I'll answer them in the next one. Thank you friend!
@@Mcdoubles it's no big deal I'm glad you saw em no need man xD
That build looks so fun... I will begin playing Ascension very soon (like within the next 1-2 months). Keep it up, making these awesome videos. THANKS!
to get the founder title you need to buy the bundle for access to CoA, the founder title means founder of CoA
You get the founders titel in your vanity selection when you buy the Alpha to COA
the founder title is from buying conquest of azeroth alpha! i’ve only played for 2 months but have it - it’s not based on playing time
That idea for the dungeons competing against another team/group, Aion actually did this and It was a lot of fun.
I thought that was world bosses was. It's exactly what he's talking about in the videos.
Did you use the nature threat re?
I don't even play Classless WoW but I love your videos
have been watching them all week
keep it up !
Same for me :D it's pretty enjoyable!
The Founder's Charter is granted to anyone who purchases access to an alpha server. I got mine for purchasing the CoA alpha but im pretty sure it’s available to those who purchased WoTLK Clsssless Alpha also.
they should seperate it into three categories with random skills that are random across all of them
Tank spec - you're more likely to get threat and defensive utility skills from your draws
Healer spec - you're more likely to get healing utility skills from your draws
Dps spec - you're more likely to get damage oriented skills from your draws
while still remaining random, but also giving you a higher likelihood of getting to a build you enjoy based on what role you want to play
this system can be in place while also leaving room to make things like mana utility still true random, maybe pets can still be true random and all of that stuff that's not specific to a singular role
I've never played wow, or ascension but after watching you play for so long this is something that seems really resonable to me for player enjoyment and the extension of their playtime for a buisness perspective.
on another note, i feel they should take an aspect from FFXIV (I know apples to oranges) where you activate a tank stance and that just propels your "threat" through the stratosphere and you basically always get agro on everything you attack, which would make it feel way more enjoyable to tank through ALL content. I couldn't imagine having to micromanage a mediocre at best system, that falls apart at mythic +20 for all i can seem to fathom, the gap between tank and dps dps just has to increase to such an absurd margine that it's not even fun to try and keep threat and remain tanky anymore UNLESS you have a perfect build, which like I said can't be enjoyable to play. I think tanking in Ascension seems to really need some love. It's not the most popular thing for people to play, which maybe is a reason they haven't seemed to work on it much lately, but it's not that popular for A REASON.
I've been taking a break from Ascension but Stormhammer was the last thing i was working on. I was running it INT based with Defensive Magic, Lightning Discharge and Lightning Strikes Twice as epic RE's. I feel like that staff + shield idea would be absolutely perfect for it. Please see this, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this twist.
Any of you ever get that starfall I am all ears on what build to do with it. Love that spell so much.
McDoubles, you crack me up at how excited you are to get "THE CLAP"!!!! Can't wait to see what happens with this build!
My two cents on the matter of threat issue is this: Make all the current threat modifier epic REs rares so that you dont have to sacrifice your build fantasy or rotation just for flat 25% X threat
Bro this is what my rolls look like 9/10 times I level a character
Yeah I don’t like how dramatic he makes it when he gets 3 commons he cant use. As long as I get 3 choices that dont cost talent points or are rare/epic/legendary I am happy. You get to max and have like 100 rerolls, you should get 75% of your build with those, then you get to work on your build as you go with more rerolls. If we got everything we need instantly there would be no point to rerolls.
From all my brews and rerolls on tanks I think the one I had most fun with (but also painfully hard to get all the right skills) is arcane tank with arcane explotion, missiles and Warmage mod.
It took some time to get used to the rotations but damn the aoe damange it does is just silly along with the kiteing. Less damage on bosses though but threat is usually never a problem ^^
Mana Fiend Tanking could be a thing tbh
can pull with chain lightning so should be a very good chain puller... Impeccable logic
@Mcdoubles
You just had to purchase the CoA bundle and you get the title Founder
I am currently running a Holy/Nature Spec (Lvl 70) and i tried the concussive RE and realised the Threat was not that good, so i switched to Stormbringer.....there is also great synergy with Stormstrike and Lightning shield (Gives you more charges, allows you to regain charges on lightning shield to generate Thunderclap resets....which can proc on every target and on CL. Noticed i am able to generate alot more threat and damage with that tbh. (Note: I am not running Sword and Board there are two ways it seems to beable to reset your thunderclap i think the Lightning shield procs reducing it CD is still alot more consistant.) Published the build this morning you can find it on lvl 70 pve tanking - named Purity of Lightning. (Hope this helps)
I also run with this type build and really enjoy it, TC up all the time. Threat is not as much of an issue.
Speaking of Odd Titan's Grip pairings.. A polearm and a shield would be sick, maybe even do a separate enchant around it like "Phalanx" or something. No idea what kind of effect it could have but food for thought.
In the latest news post on the site, they talk about new RE's being tested on the wrath server, one of them is a polearm/shield set up! It's called hoplight
Natural disaster would work to help threat right?
The founder's pack was a store item back some time ago, don't remember how much it cost. However I bought it near the first few moments of Project Awakening (Ascension name before.. well Ascension) basically back when only around 20-30 people were playing, before the server blew up in popularity.
Agree with a lot bro I also think all those new 25% bonus threat REs for fire nature etc… they should be blues and if they don’t wanna make them stackable then just allow 1 like they do with the dual wield re
That competition like in the middle dungeon was made it in Knight Online as a event which is weekly or daily that was nice tho if its in any other MMO
Maybe when we pick a Primary stat... we also pick a role as in DPS/Tank/Heals... then they weight certain abilities towards that role?
What if you dropped the Shockwave Epic RE and put in Lightning strikes twice or Forked Lightning? Just to really amp up Chain Lightnings AoE threat potential.
gonna try it
With titan's grip you can use any 2H wep with a shield, not just a staff, so for a tank it sounds good with the paladin talent % wep dmg, but probably not great for thunderclap. Source: I've seen a bear. It's good for bears.
This looks so good! I have to try this!
You should try the Storm born version (2 Hand Parry Tank).
I just build it and its a lot of fun seeing the Lightning all over the place. :)
Apart from that keep up the grind with the videos.
You forgetting to use RF is giving me flashbacks lol
I got my founder title from buying the Conquest Of Azeroth Alpha Bundle. Also you are not the only unlucky one for spell draw, I got counter attack 5 times in a matter of leveling on my caster...
How do you tank without nameplates?
I think if you managed to pull windfury, titan's grip would be dope!
Message to Ascension team: 43:28
im loving the barmans shanker i think i have it at mythic + 4, its 1.6 dagger and it has loads of str/stam and has hit rating to boot + faster attacks = more rage so its a cool weapon, none of the defence and such though
You get founder by buying the COA pack, it's part of the bundle. :)
Are you considering playing Revelation wow when it comes out this friday? Im positive the launch time is 1pm EST, Rly cool custom server
Yes
Of the tank builds you have tried out recently, which one is "the best", and I know that's subjective.
Which one would you pick if you only had 1 choice
I'd pick the original 2h parry tank I did on Kreg
Your combined chance to be missed is this: 5%, then add whatever the percentage number is while you hover over your defense (when you're crit immune it is 5.6%) so that's 10.6% chance to be missed.
Now you add parry and dodge.
The number of miss+parry+dodge is your avoidance.
Now, you just need to have enough numbers that miss+parry+dodge+block is 102.4%, anything more than that makes any additional block chance wasted.
Block value is still useful, of course.
Usually it would be just a flat 100% against equally leveled opponents, buy bosses are 3 levels higher than their player, their increased weapon skill from that basically gives them expertise, that's why you need the 102.4% to counteract their advantage.
Wow, this build looks amazing! Really looking forward to seeing some more m+ on it
Wait you can actually now use 3 of each card so 3 normal and 3 golden?
dunno bout other people....but i love getting shadowburn/drain soul to get a lock pet and hopefully soul link (plus the talents if you get voidwalker/felhunter or felguard) for some dmg reduction.
Me too but when shadowburn was offered to me I already had drain soul. Plus drain soul is just better since it doesn't take a talent point unless you plan to use the spell itself
The idea your describing is Hell portals from Albion online.
I got the Founder title from the CoA Bundle
I use this build but with Lightning Shield and Storm Strike. Lightning shield makes up a lot of the DPS and shockwave is just fun for trash pulls. I use Deconstruct on single target although I do have the problem of too many buttons to press sometimes with StormStrike, Storm Hammer, Thunderclap, Chain Lightning, Holy Shield and then Devastate/Deconstruct (I have shield block too). That said SS hits for nothing and is more for the buff and Lightning Shield refresh so I like being able to spam deconstruct :D
No survivability problems yet however tanking makes me nervous as I don't know all the routes (or the skips to be precise and its just expected) so I haven't tried anything above Mythic 0 and like to stick to Dire Maul for Mythic. Just fishing for Blessing of Sanc/Seal of Wisdom, Aoe Taunt, Last Stand (although i'm talent ability heavy) and maybe Cleansing Totem.
A good change for Titans grip from a tank perspective would be a threat increase trade off for the damage reduction. This would only need to apply if you had Def Stance, Righteous Fury or Bear form active? I did consider it anyway as a 2h makes Thunderclap hit 30% harder but need a fast weapon for the Maelstrom procs.
would putting more talent points into the tree you want, give you better chances/odds to get cards for that spec? Like if you're looking for Chain Lightning, maybe put more talent points into Elemental for Shaman?
The problem u have is cos u mix up betwen the different tank spacs xD if u focus on thunderclap u should use a 2h weapon (60% more dmg for TC) if u build a block tank u just need a shieldslam cos its damn awsome for threat and damage. but it makes no sence to build a block tank focusing on thunderclap and the stormhammer RE is for a 2h build thats why u get problems. and if u wanna hold aggro with spellpower based abilitys u just HAVE to take improved righteus fury. anyaway nice vid love ur energy xD *sorry for bad english
I'm playing a 2h Thundertank and don't rolled righteous fury. Cause it does enough thread when u use stormhammer before chain lightning.
Can easily tank world bosses with ilvl 67 and hold thread against some pumper DPS
With the rest I completely agree 👍
Hey McDoubles I want to let you know that I feel your pain I have been playing a tanky character and I've not been able to get shieldblock or shield wall at all playing a thunderclap tank haven't even been able to get righteous fury and on my other character I haven't been able to get the essential abilities I need to really make the characters great I feel your pain but I do find that this game is still better than retail while in my opinion I'm still having and trying to have a bunch of fun so keep in it I'm here we're all here watching you and enjoying the ride with you as much as we can
Blademaster tho, It plays very well, maybe try it again
Been looking into tanking on my bulwark tank, and tbh 2h parry tank seems to be the way to go they do more damage and get less rekt by magic, but been having a blast tanking
also some players take ZERO threat reduction talents so they do SHIT LOADS of aggro and its hard as a tank to keep aggro on everything
McD you should activate your RF xD ranting about aggro but the clips in the background you can see no RF active
thats because we died when I did have RF up Xd
Not sold on 2H stormhammer tanks? I'm 99% certain its the single best threat output in the game. Or it at least it was when they buffed it to the moon with the addition of "Thunder and Lightning"
I had a guy 2h tank with it and he felt about as good as my swordnboard guy does here, but I'm just skeptical that's all. If I can test it I think I will.
Feel free to message me if you want pointers, but the core of the build is rollable at lvl 1: stance, lightning shield, thunder clap. Haven't touched the 60 server since before the blanket threat buffs (bandaid solution does not fix the tank problems on ascension). Never pass on rockbiter though.
Take evasion as well, it's a good def CD for 2h tanks
if you ever take Mental quickness, you should take 3/3 of the mental quickness RE, no? It like doubles it. I think that would be better than Hasty shieldblock
Tank (shield based at least) requires too many REs and talents to work. Maybe that alone is why I should try a 2h parry version and just become new-age Thor.
The founders title is from buying the Conquest of Azeroth bundle
Damn Mcdoubles forgetting turn on RF and raging all about threat. I think it's time for a new video with RF 🤯
40:52 You forgot your RF man.... And after that you complain about aggro.... KEKW
The original Founder title was given out for people who paid for the original Beta access for the server during initial development
These founder titles are from “founding” CoA when it released the first time with the level 30 cap.
@@paxtonjolly7975 that’s where the current ones are from yes. I was talking about the original “founders” title which was awarded a very very long time ago
Founder title is from supporting the server and donating for the CoA access key.
Seemed like a solid build.
the only problem with spellpower based tanks is that there is no spellpower plate tank gear in classic. paladins tank works in TBC because theres tank spell power plate gear. it never worked in classic because theres no such gear.
Hey man Idk if you'll see this comment, but which add-on are you using for your healthbars for you and party?
Hey mate, that is xpearl
Hey! Sir! I'd love to see your big brain make a cool warlock type tank that doesn't use the corrupted bear form. I think it'd be sick to see a metamorphosis, though I know it'll be hard.
That would be pretty sweet
I got the founder title after buying the COA bundle =)
I think they put all their man power into that new multi class beta thing they are releasing. Normal servers prob on hold while they try smash it out.
For mana just put one spiritual attunement rare RE on your gear
Man that ending on that one piece of gear... When you said you were depending all your dopamine rush on that one piece of gear, and it was barely an upgrade... That made me so sad.
They just need a role option similar to the main stat option they have. Then give the tank option something like all abilities have 100% increased threat. Stacking with other threat increasing abilities.
i would love to see nire content for average solo players/new players who dont have access to 15-60 groups.
I know of one Stormhammer tank being RawpwnzlPoE
A very small channel uploading some m+30 runs, last week he did one as Stormhammer/Parrytank.
So I guess it is playable at the highest of highs on mythic dungeons.
After all, I can just suggest people to check out his/his groups builds, they are pretty good.
Thanks for that
You get the founder title by buying the CoA realm voucher. You should of already had it.
The thunderdome!
founder come from something ou already have, or should anyway. comes from Coa alpha
head is starting to swell
Cool video man! hopefully ascension does make some tank changes, i really think it would make a big difference.
Mercia!! Fuck ya!! They handed out founder titles to those who hit 60 without buying it from the store back in the first version of ascension. WAY back in the day. Back when you could stack boomkin with plate armour and prot aura to solo start undead. Before MC was a thing.
im 250+ rolls into harbinger, no haunt yet... :(
Definitely not just you..did a hunter build 2 days ago. Never had arcane shot offered..not once even with re rolls at 60.
The skill rolls are pretty hard to equilibrate. You have to take into account PVE & PVP builds, with in each at least 4 different stat spec & spec (DPS melee/ range/ caster/ hybrid + Heal + Tank). I don't see a better way than now, but the current version could see some improvements like stop seeing the same skills 5 times in a row & also review the rare & epic skills to perform a full rework on them or remove the caps. Some builds require so much you never see them, let luck be luck I would say.
Love the tank stuff but looking forward to World of Warcraft revelations if you do it would be awesome though
They pushed release to Friday due to some failures on their part that I only have surface level knowledge on :( But if their server doesn't do what Vanilla+ did, I'll be on it and I'll do at least 1 video on it depending on how fun it is
@@Mcdoubles hopefully they get it together
Hmm odd, apparently mentioning that there is already someone who did a build video on this last week and is running mythic 20+'s with it in reaction to your proclamation no one is doing this kind of tank and getting the information out there is getting my comment removed; you might want to look into that.
Ynae's version with stormstrike and lightning shield actually does work well but is hard to gear to hyper efficiency, it pulls crazy damage as a tank and is performing better as 2h parry because thunder claps increased aggro on 2h's.
Start: RF+Def Stance+Lightning shield+Thunderclap (or aspect of the monkey/evasion if your greedy)
Cards: Stormstrike, Concussion blow, shock wave, ghostly strike. any of curse of elements, defensive cooldown, mocking blow (or utility like blessing of sanctuary, tremor or cleansing totem) would be fine pickups too but then your gambling on your core.
Why don’t you take auto shot/multi shot for tasking? Ranged tanking is OP
I have a nature tank on stand buy might lvl him but i need the cards
Didn't use righteous fury at all??? How are you gonna complain if you aren't using the best threat generating ability.
Had to reroll 80 times earlier to get Multi-shot on a build that already had pretty much every other hunter ability. The system just didn't get the message.
I'm with you on the RNG. I took a couple months off and got back into Ascension recently and the rolls I got were just awful. Figured maybe it was just a bad luck run, so I prestiged and did it again and had even worse luck. Tried one more time, then gave up.
Ascension is great, but I can only handle a certain amount of RNG. I already had issues with it, but they seem to have made it worse, and I think you're probably right about why they're motivated to make those changes. Hate to see it. The second a game reminds me of retail - you know, forcing people to do chores just so they can finally play the goddamn game - is the second I'm out. Trying to roll the right build feels like a chore right now.