My problem on both was opposite. The liner lock wasn't catching except a hair on the blade. After about an hour of opening and closing, it finally began to seat with the full liner hitting the blade's back. I couldn't even use the safety slide until I had it broken in. Still, I have to really aggressively flip either blade to get the full liner lock to engage. With the lightest of pressure, the liner can move aside and allow the blade to fold, so I use the sliding lock. I do love the knife. Thank you for all your great content and reviews. Take Care and Stay Safe.
The Luzon XL was my first xl folder. Mine is a pre-GSM and I have not had the issue with the liner-lock jamming. I like using mine with a rather large lanyard that will loop my thumb and wrap across the back of hand, locking into my hand very well in an extended grip. Just have to deal with a pretty big lanyard. My Luzon has become a garden tool for me once I moved on to xl folders that carry better for me. I like the Luzon and it was a great affordable entry into xl sized folders. I prefer the triad lock for my xl folders now. My serrated talwar xl gets a lot of pocket time currently but today, I have the frenzy in my pocket. Great videos!
Great video Mike! The Luzon XL was my very first Cold Steel knife. I liked it so much, I got two of them (one to give to my daughter) but after excessive fidgeting, the over travel problem started, just like yours. Then come to find out, that particular lock has actually failed! I gave my daughter a gunsite counter point instead. Come to find out later on that Cold Steel not only has one of the lousiest liner locks but also one of the best too. Like the liner lock on their Ti-lite knives, IMO, the Ti-lite has probably the best liner lock in the business!!! It is the only liner lock that I trust. It is a real "SHAME" that Cold Steel (GSM) has not fixed that lock problem, by using a better lock, which they already HAVE!!! SMH! I still have the same two Luzons and still love their looks but, lite to medium use only...
I really love the Luzon, but the lock up issue is a massive issue for me. I've had to take mine completely to pieces to unlock it, which takes two screwdrivers! The Ti Lite has a better lock but it's on a straight part of the handle. You can't have flippers with the Triad Lock.
Mike, Love your channel. I have a 6" Luzon with the same problem if deployed with too much flourish. My knife is worn a bit so I can use my finger to push the liner and close it. You can move the liner lock back and forth a bit as I have and be able to push it back with your finger. No tools needed. Please keep your knife and sword programs coming.
Great video thanks 👍 I have a few years old Luzon Large. It jams on occasion when i pocket deploy it, but I think of it as either not very bad or good. I can pop that liner lock back out with a car key which I always have. Also, if it's a defensive situation it's another reason that the blade can't close on my fingers 😎
Another great video! I really wanted to buy the Luzon large. Seeing all the bad reviews about the liner lock and the results of the video, i decided to rather buy a voyager xl for my first xl folder. The lock is just a too important feature to settle for a faulty one.
Finishing Up the video. Great video. I've had my 6" Luzon for almost 2 years now. Learning to pocket it was a bit of a learning curve as big pockets are needed and I've never handled a folding knife this large. Only times I've had it jam up on me was the first time trying to pull it out... I dropped it, it opened itself and locked itself open. Had to use a tool to unstick the lock. Second time was also due to a drop but I gave it a little tap on the concrete from the back of the blade was enough to unlock it and since then it's never locked like that again.
It's a common problem with liner locks, they are a poor choice if you want to baton or do some chopping. The Luzon is no exception. This design is mostly for slicing, thrusting and showing off (in line with any Balisong). :)
@@michaelrizzo5523 Out of the box the Luzon is fine, I got one in OD green (CS-20NQX-ODSW) recently and it doesn’t jam. I would never chop or baton with it though. You can do some gentle batoning with regular folders in general when the blade is unlocked in a 90 degree position to avoid damaging the mechanism. CS should make one with a triad lock. :)
The gravity flick problem carries over to the ti lite 6 inch as well. I believe I mentioned this before but tweaking the pivot screw to the sweet spot is essential. Then, loctite that bad dog!!! Lol, really though it will require occasional maintenance. They need to address this but without Lynn in charge I doubt it will.
Where do all the people complaining of lock jamming buy their knives?? . I've bought two large and two mediums from cold steal directly and have zero issues at all. I'm wondering that on the secondary market there might be some quality issues
I’ve never really liked liner locks for any hard use knife. I’m just 3 minutes into the video and I pretty much figured out what the problem was likely to be. I’ll never give up my Voyager XL clip point or any of my other Voyager XL’s for anything with a liner lock.
Check out JoeX's review, you will be shocked at how good the Luzon's liner lock performs. Also, the Luzon's handle was more durable than the g10 handles you find on blades like the Voyager.
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 Do you realize that FRN/GFN which the Luzon handles are made of are nylon? You better use your web browser to read up on this stuff.
Interesting knife. Because of a bad experience I've had with liner locks (lock shifting out of the way and blade closing on my pinky in reverse grip) I'm not a fan of liner locks unless it's a crkt auto lawks but interesting knife. Just a thought, have you considered taking the knife apart and sanding/polishing the end of the liner lock? I've done that on a few liner locks for people to good effect. It can help with the whole jamming thing and makes the opening even smoother.
@@michaelrizzo5523 I've pulled the blade out of my Vaquero xl and used Mothers metal polish (LIGHTLY) on the blade and liners. Rinse thoroughly re lube. It deploys soooo much more smoothly!
I got the small one, It's a pretty nice edc. I picked it up cause I thought it was cool and I wanted something with a little more oomf and lock security than my other cheap folders. The knife definitely requires a pretty intensive break in-- open and close it, open and close it, again and again ad nauseum. Did you experience lock jam on the smaller model or just the large?
I quite like this guy but my only issue is just how large it is. Lol. That pocket clip is pretty awesome looking in theory. I think I'd probably remake it out of high carbon metal. Overall it seems quite solid and I'm pretty interested in the smaller version. It is quite pretty.
I have the smaller one, and its okay to carry as a pocket knife, though not the quickest to deploy, it is a conversation starter to be certain. Mines never failed me, just saying.
@@4449John Smaller one's broken in necely so I'm no longer having the lock jam unless I do something stupid (chop) with it, which would jam pretty much any liner lock. Bigger one is still jamming if I snap it open too fast, but it's releasing easier.
The knife is made in China and is about $45 for a 6 inch blade so there are going to be problems just as long as it does not close on my hand I am good.
So youre not a fan of the liner lock jam? I sense a little hostility towards it. Seriously, I wish cold steel would make the exact same thing with the triad lock. Big and small, with triad would be perfect. The Ti-lite series is the same, stilleto ish blade but liner lock, however no extra safety lock but the grip is way more rounded.
I'm sorry if I'm off topic guys. I just went nuts on Amazon and spent a thousand dollars on knives this week. I was SO DISAPPOINTED. I bought 3 very big ass expensive knives from Cold Steel. I got a Natchez Bowie and a Trailmaster in CPM3V. The grind lines REALLY SUCK. ON BOTH that's all I'm saying. Then I ordered a SAN MAI TRAILMASTER from Japan on Amazon. The advertising said hand made in Japan in limited numbers. 6 days later I was sent a TAWAINESE San Mai Trailmaster and IT'S NOTHING in quality like the Japanese ones ...not even close! GSM COLD STEEL TRULY SUCKS! I own a Laredo Bowie in CPM3V and it's nearly PERFECT and super sharp the grind lines are 99.99 percent it looks like the old school quality Cold Steel. These new knives make me want to VOMIT! I'm literally sending back a thousand dollars in Cold Steel blades. I thoroughly looked over all the blades that I just got and the quality just doesn't justify the price!!! I'm truly done with expensive Cold Steel knives for awhile. I think they totally f-ck up on CPM3V big blades. The grinds are so wonky! I also have a SRK and magnum tanto 12 in cpm3v and they seem to be near perfect. This new purchase was so irritating that I went to another online vendor and back ordered a Japanese San Mai Trailmaster. I asked them to verify that it was indeed Japanese stamped before they ship it. I just needed a Cold Steel big knife fix. I ALMOST FEEL LIKE A KNIFE JUNKIE.....lol....I just needed some big knife satisfaction! That Rolling Stone song comes to mind " I can't get no satisfaction" when I buy Cold Steel big expensive blades these days. Cold Steel you guys need to shape up because your quality is going WAY DOWN HILL!
Always disgusted whenever I hear about places with stupid ridiculous knife laws. People should be able to carry whatever knives they want. Since my state has passed constitutional carry I push the envelope knife wise. Not unusual to see me walking in to work with a bowie or tomahawk.
My problem on both was opposite. The liner lock wasn't catching except a hair on the blade. After about an hour of opening and closing, it finally began to seat with the full liner hitting the blade's back. I couldn't even use the safety slide until I had it broken in. Still, I have to really aggressively flip either blade to get the full liner lock to engage. With the lightest of pressure, the liner can move aside and allow the blade to fold, so I use the sliding lock. I do love the knife. Thank you for all your great content and reviews. Take Care and Stay Safe.
The Luzon XL was my first xl folder. Mine is a pre-GSM and I have not had the issue with the liner-lock jamming. I like using mine with a rather large lanyard that will loop my thumb and wrap across the back of hand, locking into my hand very well in an extended grip. Just have to deal with a pretty big lanyard. My Luzon has become a garden tool for me once I moved on to xl folders that carry better for me. I like the Luzon and it was a great affordable entry into xl sized folders. I prefer the triad lock for my xl folders now. My serrated talwar xl gets a lot of pocket time currently but today, I have the frenzy in my pocket. Great videos!
Think of it as a surprise fixed blade knife and that liner locks not a problem.
Great video Mike! The Luzon XL was my very first Cold Steel knife. I liked it so much, I got two of them (one to give to my daughter) but after excessive fidgeting, the over travel problem started, just like yours. Then come to find out, that particular lock has actually failed! I gave my daughter a gunsite counter point instead. Come to find out later on that Cold Steel not only has one of the lousiest liner locks but also one of the best too. Like the liner lock on their Ti-lite knives, IMO, the Ti-lite has probably the best liner lock in the business!!! It is the only liner lock that I trust. It is a real "SHAME" that Cold Steel (GSM) has not fixed that lock problem, by using a better lock, which they already HAVE!!! SMH! I still have the same two Luzons and still love their looks but, lite to medium use only...
Thanks, my friend! And good to know about the Ti-Lite.
I really love the Luzon, but the lock up issue is a massive issue for me. I've had to take mine completely to pieces to unlock it, which takes two screwdrivers! The Ti Lite has a better lock but it's on a straight part of the handle. You can't have flippers with the Triad Lock.
Mike, Love your channel. I have a 6" Luzon with the same problem if deployed with too much flourish. My knife is worn a bit so I can use my finger to push the liner and close it. You can move the liner lock back and forth a bit as I have and be able to push it back with your finger. No tools needed. Please keep your knife and sword programs coming.
Thanks! I'm hoping it breaks in over time.
Great video thanks 👍
I have a few years old Luzon Large. It jams on occasion when i pocket deploy it, but I think of it as either not very bad or good. I can pop that liner lock back out with a car key which I always have. Also, if it's a defensive situation it's another reason that the blade can't close on my fingers 😎
It's getting to be easier to un-jam as it breaks in, and I'm having less problems with the smaller one (which I still have to review).
This is my EDC back up , I carry a smaller gentalmans blade for everyday uses
Another great video! I really wanted to buy the Luzon large. Seeing all the bad reviews about the liner lock and the results of the video, i decided to rather buy a voyager xl for my first xl folder. The lock is just a too important feature to settle for a faulty one.
Thanks! The Voyagers are great knives, especially for the price.
Finally. A video on my EDC Knife!
Finishing Up the video. Great video. I've had my 6" Luzon for almost 2 years now. Learning to pocket it was a bit of a learning curve as big pockets are needed and I've never handled a folding knife this large. Only times I've had it jam up on me was the first time trying to pull it out... I dropped it, it opened itself and locked itself open. Had to use a tool to unstick the lock. Second time was also due to a drop but I gave it a little tap on the concrete from the back of the blade was enough to unlock it and since then it's never locked like that again.
Like the look, hate the lock.
Basically, yeah, me too.
It's a common problem with liner locks, they are a poor choice if you want to baton or do some chopping. The Luzon is no exception. This design is mostly for slicing, thrusting and showing off (in line with any Balisong). :)
I expect it with chopping, but jamming just flicking it open was a bummer.
@@michaelrizzo5523 Out of the box the Luzon is fine, I got one in OD green (CS-20NQX-ODSW) recently and it doesn’t jam. I would never chop or baton with it though. You can do some gentle batoning with regular folders in general when the blade is unlocked in a 90 degree position to avoid damaging the mechanism. CS should make one with a triad lock. :)
The gravity flick problem carries over to the ti lite 6 inch as well. I believe I mentioned this before but tweaking the pivot screw to the sweet spot is essential. Then, loctite that bad dog!!! Lol, really though it will require occasional maintenance. They need to address this but without Lynn in charge I doubt it will.
I'll try playing with the pivot, thanks!
Where do all the people complaining of lock jamming buy their knives?? . I've bought two large and two mediums from cold steal directly and have zero issues at all. I'm wondering that on the secondary market there might be some quality issues
I’ve never really liked liner locks for any hard use knife. I’m just 3 minutes into the video and I pretty much figured out what the problem was likely to be. I’ll never give up my Voyager XL clip point or any of my other Voyager XL’s for anything with a liner lock.
The Voyagers are awesome, no question. All-around favorites.
Check out JoeX's review, you will be shocked at how good the Luzon's liner lock performs. Also, the Luzon's handle was more durable than the g10 handles you find on blades like the Voyager.
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 The XL Voyagers don’t have G10 handles.
@FriedPi-mc5yt Grivory, whatever they call, that particular type of plastic nylon infused shit
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 Do you realize that FRN/GFN which the Luzon handles are made of are nylon? You better use your web browser to read up on this stuff.
Interesting knife. Because of a bad experience I've had with liner locks (lock shifting out of the way and blade closing on my pinky in reverse grip) I'm not a fan of liner locks unless it's a crkt auto lawks but interesting knife.
Just a thought, have you considered taking the knife apart and sanding/polishing the end of the liner lock? I've done that on a few liner locks for people to good effect. It can help with the whole jamming thing and makes the opening even smoother.
If they gave it the triad lock or something it would probably improve its reliablity.
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Yes, I'd sacrifice that smooth flipper opening for a Triad.
@@michaelrizzo5523 I've pulled the blade out of my Vaquero xl and used Mothers metal polish (LIGHTLY) on the blade and liners. Rinse thoroughly re lube. It deploys soooo much more smoothly!
check out the holdout
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 It's on my wish list.
I got the small one, It's a pretty nice edc. I picked it up cause I thought it was cool and I wanted something with a little more oomf and lock security than my other cheap folders. The knife definitely requires a pretty intensive break in-- open and close it, open and close it, again and again ad nauseum. Did you experience lock jam on the smaller model or just the large?
Mine are getting better with break in, especially the smaller one. I still need to do a review on that one.
I quite like this guy but my only issue is just how large it is. Lol. That pocket clip is pretty awesome looking in theory. I think I'd probably remake it out of high carbon metal. Overall it seems quite solid and I'm pretty interested in the smaller version. It is quite pretty.
The smaller version does have that slim balisong appeal.
I have the smaller one, and its okay to carry as a pocket knife, though not the quickest to deploy, it is a conversation starter to be certain. Mines never failed me, just saying.
@@4449John Smaller one's broken in necely so I'm no longer having the lock jam unless I do something stupid (chop) with it, which would jam pretty much any liner lock. Bigger one is still jamming if I snap it open too fast, but it's releasing easier.
Awesome review Michael i love large Luzon, will you buy ti lite 6
Thanks! I had the Ti Lite on my wish list but I'm hesitant now because of the liner lock issues.
@@michaelrizzo5523 on ti lite its much better, after week of using it it's so smooth and you can close it one handed
The knife is made in China and is about $45 for a 6 inch blade so there are going to be problems just as long as it does not close on my hand I am good.
So youre not a fan of the liner lock jam? I sense a little hostility towards it. Seriously, I wish cold steel would make the exact same thing with the triad lock. Big and small, with triad would be perfect. The Ti-lite series is the same, stilleto ish blade but liner lock, however no extra safety lock but the grip is way more rounded.
I would love it with a Triad lock.
I'm sorry if I'm off topic guys. I just went nuts on Amazon and spent a thousand dollars on knives this week. I was SO DISAPPOINTED. I bought 3 very big ass expensive knives from Cold Steel. I got a Natchez Bowie and a Trailmaster in CPM3V. The grind lines REALLY SUCK. ON BOTH that's all I'm saying. Then I ordered a SAN MAI TRAILMASTER from Japan on Amazon. The advertising said hand made in Japan in limited numbers. 6 days later I was sent a TAWAINESE San Mai Trailmaster and IT'S NOTHING in quality like the Japanese ones ...not even close! GSM COLD STEEL TRULY SUCKS! I own a Laredo Bowie in CPM3V and it's nearly PERFECT and super sharp the grind lines are 99.99 percent it looks like the old school quality Cold Steel. These new knives make me want to VOMIT! I'm literally sending back a thousand dollars in Cold Steel blades. I thoroughly looked over all the blades that I just got and the quality just doesn't justify the price!!!
I'm truly done with expensive Cold Steel knives for awhile. I think they totally f-ck up on CPM3V big blades. The grinds are so wonky! I also have a SRK and magnum tanto 12 in cpm3v and they seem to be near perfect. This new purchase was so irritating that I went to another online vendor and back ordered a Japanese San Mai Trailmaster. I asked them to verify that it was indeed Japanese stamped before they ship it. I just needed a Cold Steel big knife fix. I ALMOST FEEL LIKE A KNIFE JUNKIE.....lol....I just needed some big knife satisfaction! That Rolling Stone song comes to mind " I can't get no satisfaction" when I buy Cold Steel big expensive blades these days. Cold Steel you guys need to shape up because your quality is going WAY DOWN HILL!
Oh, man! That's really frustrating!
Always disgusted whenever I hear about places with stupid ridiculous knife laws. People should be able to carry whatever knives they want. Since my state has passed constitutional carry I push the envelope knife wise. Not unusual to see me walking in to work with a bowie or tomahawk.
Mostly just trying to create a fear and then "fix" it to get easy votes. How many times has a "ninja star" been used in a crime?
@@michaelrizzo5523 excluding feudal Japan, I'm thinking that number is hovering around zero. Great content BTW. Keep them coming!
@@makeitstick6712Thanks!