Oh Dehya. A cool character sabotaged by bad numbers and wonky ass design choices. C1 shoulda been baked into the kit, her skill doesn’t have 100% uptime, massive ER requirements, burst doesn’t count as normal or charged. It’s just super disappointing that her use cases is either actively nerfing yourself, or she only sort of coincidentally works.
Even worst the fact that her skill dissapears for no reason when shes using her burst so shes not even picking any particles like they really really hate her 😢
There should be an interview study as to just what the aim was when designing her kit. You'd think she was patch one if you just started playing the game. Dreadful.
I will never understand why they didnt make her the elite character for burgeon and burn, with a kit focused in that reaction, just like nilou in bloom reactio. She surely can take the hits of the reaction, but the pyro aplication is just sooo bad, and the ultimate not counting as normal hits ruin the thing even more
i'm suprised as to why she feels close or worse than thoma in a burgeon team. like her app is slow and using her burst without the right hydro applicators and even if her burst cost is lower she's just as ER hungry. not to mention that Thoma has higher uptime, no hitbox issues and even if dehya has a larger aoe. Thoma also feels aoe is deceptively large as well. like i was suprised that the thung can proc seeds from behind me
True, her defensive utility is meh, her damage is meh, and then her element application is meh. I don't know why hyv approve her kit in the first place. I know she's gonna be on standard banner but she's still a 5 stars unit, her kit is should be better
@@ngasalaja2839 like even for a standard banner unit the standards are pretty low like yeah diluc, Keqing and Tighnari are solid damage dealers they might never deal as much damage as the limited 5 star but their damage is solid, even diluc isn't that bad.
@@cresentj i mean for you probably. if it's fun for you then i'm not gonna stop you or anything. i've already tested myself. it's ok ngl but i prefer someone else who can proc the cores just a bit faster. as for the more pure burgeon teams. i'm not really a huge fan of the slow app and the weird hitboxes. of course i see you in alot of dehya vids. i respect your dedication. i love her too and i hope furina can do something about her. but for me as of now i'm losing hope. for you, you can play with her if you still love playing her. oh and question: who's your hydro if dehya is using her burst?
thats actually really interesting how he feels about raiden vs kuki hyperbloom because i had raiden before kuki and have the reverse opinion where i felt like getting kuki felt like such a nice upgrade to me after using raiden
The final cope for Dehya players has been layed to waste, First it started with: "maybe she will get buffs before release" to "maybe they will buff her before her banner ends" to "maybe the hydro archon will fix her".
@@Malix2238 eh her numbers are out so i can already know what she will add to my teams,bar a few beta changes im already set for either a dps team or a vadouvan(curry) team with hybrid focus of dendro reaction dmg and personal dps.
I feel happy whenever Zajef pulls that excel page. I love comparing characters stats and calculating dmg. If Zajef ever decides to run as the Genshin meta president he got my vote
I like the guy, I really do, and I enjoy the spreadsheets and calcs he does, and he might as well get the tc crown just because of how much good he did for the community’s awareness of the dank mechanics of the game… but I do believe he is sometimes way too focused on calcs and loses sight of the general bigger picture. A game is a game, numbers will only get you so far, and for this reason some of his opinions are biased and skewed imho. Also, since he doesn’t want to promote spending and whaling on the game he rarely takes constellations and 5 star weapons into account, this short video is proof enough of that.
@@LoveYourself-318 yeah I agree. I may have used the wrong words, he does talk about constellations, but I have never seen him build a team with 5-star units constellations in his calcs; he does get some questions about it, like his ayaka ask zajef, but he still downplays the constellations a lot.
@@sa-jy4ve And better than Lynette, is Prototype Amber Sucrose who solves all the problems of viability of the team. But he is so Kazuha minded, that he can't even read it when some said it in the chat.
@@nonamepasserbya6658 Sucrose is much more than EM, and much better than Heizou, she has bonus damage as Kazuha without the need of building EM, she has off-field damage, and she has grouping. And EM isn't pointless anyway.
@@Hinasis EM is pointless if your character either not scale off EM or having such low base DMG that EM boost doesn't matter. If you just need a PA user then even Heizou can do the job. Just slap a Heal Bonus Circlet + ER on him and voila. That and PA is not good enough to solo sustain the entire team after the changes they did to Furina AND if you bring PA + HB on Sucrose she isn't doing much dmg anyway
I'm gonna try a Furina (C0-C2 I dunno, probably 0), C2 Nahida, C2 Deyha, C2 Raiden team. Nahida and Raiden are built for EM, and Furina I guess HP (Would EM even work?), Deyha is built all HP with the clam set and around 1k def. I'm gonna try and do a full AFK team where I do the skills then just stay on Deyha until I need to Refresh. Literally stand there and see if I can beat all content that way. lol Minus the Abyss. Will probably suck, but it'll be funny.
I think the fact that Raiden can be a hyperbloom trigger, a sub DPS that makes it so you don’t need to funnel particles as much, and a potential hyper-carry herself (or just good on field DPS in a team like Raiden national) is enough to warrant her being second place behind Nahida. Might become third when I actually get to play Furina, but for now I’d say second.
Funnily enough, Dehya actually has anti-synergy with Furina. Furina's burst gains her stacks from % of hp lost/gained, so you'd actually get less stacks with Dehya's E almost halving the damage that characters would take and the amount of dot that Dehya takes from that is further decreased. The only synergy you'd actually get out of Dehya is if you get her to low hp to proc her strong self-healing.
1. Furina has hp decreases and increases for All members. 2. Reason why there's the talk about 1 dedicated healer, not bc Furina can't heal but bc her passive increase dmg based on hp loss/gain. 3. Dehya c0 and Dehya c4 are 2 different characters. Actually, it's not the best Furina team, but Furina + Dehya is certainly the best team for Dehya, specially if you've got c4 and don't rely on shields. The math here is wrong bc Furina hp decrease was never taken into account even when he assumed EQ, Benet heals more than 1 tick, and Dehya has hp recovery by herself. It's not the best team, it's not the strongest team, but it's not the worst team and makes Dehya actually viable in either overworld and spiral abyss.
@@Syokool 1. The hp increase and decrease is still % based so it really doesn't matter if the person it takes it from has high max hp or not. 2. Same as before, plus that just means it'd be better to have a dedicated healer than Dehya. 3. Who has C4 Dehya? You'd have to be a whale during her first-and-only banner or get Insanely lucky to get that many constellations. Of course Furina makes Dehya stronger, her damage boosting is universal so she'll be good for anyone that doesn't have better options. So I suppose if you are a major Dehya simp then yes, they'd make a great team.
@@erys30 Her passive Unsting Succor: she will take 60% less DMG when receiving DMG from Redmane's Blood. I suppose it's more accurate to say that she and all her allies affected by it will take less damage, thus her dot will be weaker, but pretty much same effect as I mentioned before.
Then wouldn't you just use the DoT damage as a way for Dehya to get below 50% HP and then to 40% to heal herself? Plus you can just use Dehya as an E bot for burning so Furina forward vapes. And then you have to consider how Hoyo will punish the new meta of survivability = Damage like how Bathysmal vishaps countered Raiden in Inazuma, or the serpent husks and riftwolves against zhongli. What better way to counter super chunky characters in the team than to create enemies that deal max HP% damage? Rather than a flat value, it's a percentage of HP being lost as damage, which, if coded correctly, would also be in favor of Dehya's damage mitigation since a flat value would translate into less % loss bit a percentage loss from dmg would be an equal percentage loss to Dehya. The Damage mitigation was never the goal anyways. It was the A4 passive that is the goal, since it's a whopping 60% for a character pre-Fontaine. Plus an HP manipulating team would have terrible struggles against pushy enemies or enemy freeze teams such as Consecrated beasts or the hydro herald, abyss lector combo. You could use a shielder and healer with Furina, but that's opening only one for a dps, but Dehya instead of shielder let's you increase team dps via HP fluctuations. Sure is copium until you notice that the only hydro characters we see from Fontaine have weaker hydro than Yelan, so it's entailing that "why enable reverse vape with fast Hydro when you can forward vape with slow hydro? Dehya's pyro app is 175% faster than Furina's crab hydro, and is 280% faster than the Octopus' hydro app, and 120% faster than the ST seahorses hydro. So all along, Dehya could and simply is a pyro applicator this whole time. Ofc you can just butcher Xiangling's dps to be a pyro applicator through a ton of energy, but Xiangling also loses out on the opportunity to vape for big damage, plus Xiangling just applies pyro too fast for forward vape and burgeon to happen. Dehya's pyro app is slow and steady wins the race, so Furina can forward vape and Dehya burgeons.
Jokes on you, Im staying on Kuki a decent amount of time cuz Nahida's burst go brrr and its not like it matters much who goes on field in hyperbloom Kuki with Xingqiu/Furina, hyperbloom is just that broken.
Oh my god I didn’t realize the cringe difference that is gonna limit the Kokomi and Furina synergy. I was hyping up mono hydro bc of the healing bonus combined with damage bonus is OP for Kokomi. It could be worse though, it will still be the stronger mono hydro, but I wanted bigger Kokomi numbers lmaooo
@@narukami4959 I just said it will be the strongest mono hydro team. It’s just that the fact that healing bonus is separated into the two categories so it won’t help Kokomi’s passive is just a little disappointing bc I thought it would have been a great synergy. I agree, it’s still gonna be strong! Sorry if my initial comment was confusing.
Nothing like that. 1st math was wrong and it never took Furina skills decreasing hp into consideration, 2nd Benet before Kazuha is not the same as Furina before Kazuha, and here he is assumed Furina Benet, which is stupid af. Why would anyone do that when you want Benet + Kazuha do fire resistance, Furina's hydro application and Dehya triggering vapes and reverse vapes. So, the only reason the team is not as good as it should, is solely bc Dehya mechanics, nothing else.
@@Syokoolyeah...sure buddy. Its fine to cooe but...uhh its too late, when you gonna put down the copuim. Also dont call someones msths wrong until you can provide evidence and and so called correct math yourself.
At least now she has 2 actually good teams that benefit from her. Burning ganyu and mono pyro lyney. Other than that playing her is just like playing every other 4*. Yes, she will clear 36* if you build her enough etc. but it feels wrong. After c1 she is okayish and after c2 you can play her kinda like a fischl, give her the new artifact set and never use burst.
@@asoko1157 Her problem is that her best teams others slot just fine if not better there, assuming you have the investment and skill level necessary, also, being real, she just doesn't really feel all that great to play imo, like a failed concept. Xinyan, (I hate to bring up this clapped out comparison, yet again) is ass just the same way but for me, I feel like at least Xinyan can sort of feel nice to play, even if it's just in one team, it's sort of easy E, Q, not really awful ER req just simple playstyle. Dehya just feels bad to play as a DPS because of awful numbers across the board, this is horrible for a 5 star in this economy imo. She can work but there doesn't feel like there are teams where Dehya takes centre stage or really feels valuable, she has like two or 3 that are at best okay and they can work just fine without her.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks I wouldn't say she is bad to play. Yes, her numbers are a joke and in some scenarios burst might be tricky to use but there are more clunky chars, for me two examples would be eula and klee. So I would rate her in the middle of the pack in terms of fun gameplay. And yes obviously you can swap her for other chars and you would get better teams, but that works for every 4* dps and some supps too. There is one team that dehya is clearly the best choice and it's lyney mono pyro. There is no competition for that slot tho as zhongli is wrong element and tankfei, xinyan are just worse. Her rotations feel even smooth there and you don't use her burst which is uhmm a failed concept to say the least. Other than that only she can make burn ganyu viable but it's comparable to normal melt ganyu so it's not that valuable I guess.
@@ferend4038 I do it anyway because I like my Raiden to be played as a normal DPS. If Kuki does the job just fine on the other side then why not just have her built for it instead. 😊
I've been using Dehya with Furina along with Nahida and Baizhu in a vapeburgeon team even tho Furina doesn't buff transformative reactions herself. I really like the overall synergy between the characters here as it has enough dendro for Dehya to maintain the pyro aura thus allowing Furina to consistently vape most of her hits while Dehya also contributes with damage by popping the cores that eventually form. Plus Nahida really benefits from Furina's burst while also buffing on-field Dehya with EM making her burgeon damage even better (and Baizhu contributes to that to a smaller extent through his A4 passive, but he's here mostly for the dendro resonance and team healing). I've been playing Dehya burgeon since her release and have been enjoying a lot, but this team became my favorite because here I can actually benefit from her burst and playing her on field.
Could you theoretically build dehya with extremely low hp so that her self dmg mechanic almost kills her and them her strong selfhealing after getting to low hp. This could gain stacks on furina pretty fast, no? And with c6 barbara you could just tank hits until you die and get immediately healed to 100%
Problem with that is that you basically have 2 non-damage dealers, which just craters your team's damage. Sounds interesting tho EDIT: not to mention her passive has a 20s cooldown
Ranking archons, just like any other characters, are hard. Nahida is definitely the strongest, she's the godfather of dendro. She is one of the best on-fielder and THE best off-fielder for dendro, and the only meta reason you would pull for another dendro character is to get one that heals. After that, I'd say Raiden is the next best. She generates fuck ton of energy, she has good dmg, and she has hyperbloom now. Whether you play her as intended or as EM shogun, she's very strong. Furina is obviously hard to rank, but it does seem like she will be busted with every Fontaine dps, so that's good. Venti is the best bastard to have when he works. Unparalleled crowd control, but as for buffing, he is outshined by both Sucrose and Kazuha. While Zhongli, comfy as he is, he's suboptimal in nearly every team. I love using him and will not swap him for any other archon released or otherwise, but that doesn't mean he's good meta wise. He just lets you go on autopilot and not care about how bad you play, which for someone like me is a godsend.
@@narukami4959 its probably bc furina cant be a better replacement for Yelan or XQ in existing teams and will have to rely on Fontaine characters. but yeah i get the sentiment seeing raiden over furina being crazy since i can only think of raiden national, hyper, and hyperbloom while furina can do so much more due to being a hydro character
@@narukami4959 easier stacking i guess. truth be told i am not that well informed about furina either. but i do know that fontaine characters will generally have more hp fluctuations (since thats their main gimmick) compared to units from other nations
"You don't want to replace Bennett" Oh, yes I do, yes I can, and yes I have: Sayu with VV set and Fav Greatsword. The only way I'm going to play Bennett and Kazuha long-term is if you hold me at gunpoint _and I will be checking to see if the gun is loaded._ Edit: I should note that my Dehya is C4, which gives quite a bit of wiggle room regarding ER. So... yeah. I'm still checking to see if that gun is loaded.
Is Raiden > Kuki? I guess for the Nahida snipes? I really like Kuki since she can grab straggling seeds when a new wave spawns and I still have uptime on Alhaitham.
I think they just function differently and zajef is stuck with playing teams that prefers raiden's way of triggering seeds that's why he finds it so much better when it isnt
@@do_cyx I think the reason he prefers Raiden is: 1. Raiden's E is 25 second duration not 12/15 (ofc still depends on the rotation, but longer uptime *feels* better) 2. Raiden can proc hyperblooms from range 3. Kuki is always on life support
@@cybergamer__ and raiden can't proc shit when it's shielded enemies or if u play her with a mobile enemy and u have no range, obv raiden is very good and prolly better than kuki but they're not that much similar esp when kuki condenses the dmg role and healer role into 1 and she's a 4*
Raiden skill only procs on-hit; Kuki's ring pulses while I'm dodging, while in burst animations, while i'm hitting shields... No idea why Zajef prefers Raiden. My only guess is that her hair reminds him of Xingqui.
Archon at c2 ranking maybe? I think Furina is the best cons 2 after her release. Raiden is electro dps at c2, while nahida c2 make hyperbloom became ultrabloom
nahida c2 is still way better because she has more teams without any restrictions compared to furina, also the def reduction is more valuable than some extra dmg bonus which is easily available nowadays
@@mickysaif Furina's buff gives more than -30 defense reduction, and Nahida also has a limitation: to cut defense you need electro + dendro, and for furina only a healer, of any element. Furina c2 way better
I think you have missed Burgeon Dehya build, which is better than hypercarry because of Furina release and how her animals work. Dehya + Furina + Nahida + Barbara might be actually workable team in Dehya EM build, which i think was intended in a first place since if you want to trigger burgeon, you just have to hit it with pyro damage, even without counting ICD
0:24 isn't incoming healing bonus multiplicative with outgoing healing bonus? Why did he not talk about that when that should be the first thing to note?
I had to use hyperbloom raiden in abyss when dendro was released. But it felt way too weird to use a powerful dps as just a trigger for hyperbloom. So I got kuki instead and raiden is back to being carry. Making raiden em focused is kinda disgusting to me.
i thought the same way as you did, before i realized i can turn my brain off while playing kuki because of her healing and kazuha bennett are better used in international than raiden hyper. (C2 raiden btw but international still feels better)
@@Axis0504 I have c2 raiden too but sara still c3 so don't really play hypercarry raiden. Mostly rational or electrocharged along with yelan. Kuki also slaps btw. She's perfect for hyperbloom.
@@Matthew-qt3jk nah my raiden c0 used to do 200k burst dmg then 20 to 23k dmg throughout the duration. Helps in er generation too. Hyperbloom raiden is use e swap out. Her personal dmg is zero. So much wasted potential there. Her best team at c0 is rational imo. Rational and kuki hyperbloom has helped me get 36 stars every abyss.
@@dnyaneshkale9540i mean... You're objectively wrong. Sure to you her best team might be Rational even though it's aids to play in aoe but decent in single targrt but in reality hyperbloom raiden is better.
Raiden rant incoming. Her Rational team is such a mild upgrade if at all over the standard Anemo variants, her Hypercarry team is a generic Bennett/Kazuha team that anyone can pull off with the same if not better numbers at C0, and her role as an E bot is accomplished with no meaningful differences by Kuki, especially on single Hydro variants where Raiden's slightly faster tick rate doesn't even matter HBs (and double Electro/ double Dendro variants of Hyperbloom are the ceiling with vertical investment anyways). She doesn't add any value to an account that another character doesn't already provide while all the other Archons do have attributes that are unique to them. Is she a good character? Absolutely. Is she a contender for best character like some people like to say? Hell no - she fits into the same tier as Hu Tao and Childe and stuff
Dmg wise i would agree but the infinite poise makes her arguably a bit better especially for casual player and fighting against conscrated beast. But i think you are too harsh on the E bot part while not mentioning kuki health drain which not a big of problem but still a downsides. She's also really fun to play.
I think that a stat like Incoming Damage Bonus could be very interesting and fun if some enemies could increase it by some of their attacks for a period of time from 0% to like 50% or more and it would also help Furina gain stacks faster and affect Hu Tao, Xiao, Dehya and Fontaine characters by increasing their self damage and Furina's HP drown.
Yes it's wrong to call R Shogun good only bec of her E and only at hyperbloom..... bec she can be strong hypercarry as C0 with the catch and still kills everthing around her with her Q She is my favorite character, I tried all the combinations with her and there are many, you just have to make an effort to try them
2 years ago if someone told me that Raiden would be relegated to dendro support and not a hypercarry, and its better I would've called you insane and very tarded
Still need a healer, so 2 slots need to be replaced, but who the fk are u gonna replace to bring improvement Yelan does good dmg, Xingqiu offers good survivability plus stable hydro Aura, Zhongli offer resistance shred which is something this team lacks due to lack of Anemo support and complete stagger resistance so your Hutao below 50% won’t need to worry about dying Ur replace 2 of these 3 characters, u will most likely lose comfort and gain minor dmg increase
Yes she does. There's a 1 thing these idiots got wrong, and that is Furina needed a healer. Yeah, no. The reason for a healer was to trigger her passive frequently, bc she eats hp and team won't recover hp fast enough for the passive to kick in, but Hutao don't need that. She actually doesn't need a healer bc less hp = more damage. Furina replaces XQ that, albeit gives interruption resistance, can't give the Furina + Yelan boss of 175% dmg. Furina C0 > XQ c6. So Hutao + Yelan + Furina + (Benet, Kazuha, Zhongli, XQ, Barbara etc) is easy one if not the best Hutao team.
At C0 hu tao, you probably still want xingqiu, so hu tao, xingqiu, furina, baizhu/jean. At C1 hu tao xingqiu is kinda dead tho, so hu tao, yelan, furina, jean/baizhu will be good. If you go C2 furina, you can go full heal instructor bennett insted of jean/baizhu.
@@Syokoolur dumb as rocks dude, truly. Idk how u managed to write all that and think u did something. Go back to grade school before u start cooking some dark matter
@@SyokoolCurrent beta version of Furina suggests differently though, if you want your Hu Tao party to benefit from Furina boost from your second rotation you need team heal, which Furina’s healing mode at C0 does not help at all. Damage from Hu Tao-Furina team does not come from only Hu Tao, quite ironic when you suggest healer options (Bennett, Barbara) when you say she does not need one.
i’m really sad that zajef didn’t make a wrio pre release video (idk if he will but like it’s been more than a month since his kit was leaked so …) because even if he is underwhelming meta wise i still wanna pull for him how he wanted to pull for dehya, and it would be nice to prepare his artifacts/teams
it would be okay if she was 4* but nope who the hell thinks in the hoyo team thought its a good idea. wasting such unique design character only for almost nobody to use it with.
i tried Dehya burgeon but with the current units as of now it feels like eh, i hope furina can do something about it assuming if her app is pretty fast. like i'm suprised she feels like she has worse pyro application than freakin Thoma a 4 star where she should have beat. like Thoma provides better uptime and a deceptively large AoE i was suprised i was hitting seeds behind me. and don't underestimate those small shields even with full EM as the provide full interruption resistance and if paired with xingqiu you'll be fine. as for healers you have a flex slot to handle it or if you're playing Ayato then you can probably use bennett.
@@usmanya5110 no no, Dehya burgeon isnt good at all, Thoma is indeed way better, Im saying to try Dehya burgeon when Furina drops since now Dehya will have a decent speed to proc burgeons on her burst. I believe that due to her burst being really short, it will still be better to go for a half EM/half crt build so both her burst and the burgeons can deal decent dmg but for now its just my feelingcraft, burgeon and hyperbloom are just too broken so it wont surprise me if going full EM turns out to be better.
6:06 Neuvillette is very strong, but clearly overrated. Sure, he's above the average On Field DPS, but he's far from being a powercreep. The current abyss blessing is by far the most broken character-specific blessing we've had in the game in a long time (or ever). The blessing's buff is almost as high as the average buff of a C0 Furina, but without taking up space on the team. It's almost as if in the current abyss, Neuvillette can use teams of 5 characters.
Have you seen his sheet dps with furina ? It's almost as high as hu tao, but he has one of the best AoEs in the game on top of that. Usually units excel in either single target or AoE, but bro has both those categories covered, and is near the top in both of them. He's powercrept a lot of main dps characters easily, unless they nerf furina, which i doubt they will cuz they want them moneyzzzz
You can clear abyss putting a fidget spinner under your phone and spinning it, with neuvilette you literally don't even have to play the game. He is not overrated. He is the most braindead and broken character so far.
@@nymphalissNah, supports and off field dps characters will always be the most broken units, he's just the best on field main dps we have rn. He's realistically far from being the most broken thing in this game, with bennett, furina, kazuha, yelan, nahida, xingqiu, fischl, xiangling existing.
Sure Id say kuki and Raiden are comparable in hyperbloom but I think its crazy when people dont mention Raiden National is a team option and just treat her as an ebot.
Raiden National? in this economy? fr though this isn't 2.0 anymore, Rational was ok in single target and dogshit in aoe. I played it because I wanted to use on-field Raiden but hate hypercarry teams, but even Sucrose National is way better. my Raiden has been on full EM hyperbloom build for over a year now and it won't change anytime soon
This analysis is not accurate anymore because furina's stack counts has changed and in these teams, dehya provides stacks from her hp loss and gain mechanics plus resistance to interruption. I think that having dehya, furina neuvilette and vv jean in a team is gonna be an actually good team.
Wouldnt using bennetts burst later make more sense? furina does need atleast 7-10 secs to gain a good amount of stacks without cons. So wouldnt dehya e,furina eq,kazuha eq,bennett eq dehya q make more sense? yes you might swirl and infuse hydro with kazuha but i dont see this as an issue would allow dehya to get vapes more reliable with furina e apply combined. using bennetts burst later might also allow the team to get bennett heals as everyone should be below 70% and with furina buff bennett can easily heal to full a well invested bennett by my calculations heals for 10k+ hp so over half of the average units hp the only one here he wouldnt full heal would be furina and using her own heal mode for like a few sec shouldnt be that bad. by using bennett later you can swap back into kazuha after dehyas burst so he goes to full dehya should be near to full and furina can self heal if she doesnt get anything. kazuhas burst might run out before dehya is done but i dont think that it will create any issues so long you are fast enough. i can see it work well enough to be good and fun,for sure aint meta given its a dehya team but tbh that doesnt really matter.
I refuse to ever put full EM on Raiden, I did not spend hundreds of dollars on C2R1 to just E swap… Also, to this day, Raiden Hyper still clears 90% of all content, brute forcing through any gimmick and ignoring any buff.
@@shivamkumarsingh3940That's what bothers me the most. If they design future enemies and abysses with such broken characters in mind, it's game over for a substantial amount of older characters.
Stop doom posting. Neuvillete isn’t even broken. He’s nowhere near as good as ganyu and hu Tao were when they came out. THAT was power creep. THIS is NOT. He’s just a really good character. That’s it. He’s not broken or OP. Theres plenty of DPS as good as him and teams as good as his.
Ranking Archons? For the time being lets put Furina to the side because shes still not out yet, but i can comfortably say shes a strong second place if not first spot. In first place we have Nahida and i doubt anyone would disagree on this front. Shes leaps and bounds stronger than anyone else in her element. Hell, shes leaps and bounds better than the other Archons its kinda silly. Shes the best Dendro unit hands down and will realistically never be dethroned. Past Nahida is where things get tricky because the other 3 have caveats. Raiden is a powerful DPS but she isnt needed in her main teams since other National variations exist and for Hyperbloom Kuki does her job almost as well. Zhongli is the ultimate comfort unit but supplies next to no damage for the team, but for Dendro, Geo, and Anemo units, hes one of the few sources of Resistance shred they have. And Venti is such a match up dependent unit. If the fight is able to be sucked into his burst hes the best unit in the game no questions asked. But there is the large asterisk of "if". Couple that with more consistent options in Kazuha and Sucrose and he somewhat falls off. So for now, my rankings are Nahida>Furina>Raiden>Zhongli>Venti Funny how depending on how Furina turns out, the Archons have gotten stronger each region.
i won't include furina, but in short my ranks are Nahida > zhongli > venti > raiden. I think raiden is just a throwaway dps unit at c0 and there are units that are BETTER than her at either of her positions.
@@GraveUypohow come the loss dps guy is second place? Bro i have all archon, and i can say, putting raiden below zhongli and venti is insane lol nahida>raiden>venti>zhongi
Look, I know her damage is bad. But among mono element comps that are already super comfy to play, Dehya mono pyro provides the most braindead gameplay that one could imagine. There's not even a tiny chance for cycle and ER interruption. All you need to stare at is the damn abyss clock.
Nope, Nilou actually doesn't fit as much as Xingchiu or Yelan there. That team doesn't need a healer, because Kaveh heals himself. Instead of Yaoyao put Kirara, Collei or dendro traveler.
@@chanderule605it's based on personal preference, better to use a character as they're supposed to be than a cringe E bot, also she's already great at c0
@@mickysaif Personal preference and all but Id rather get one busted characters and then 3 extra characters on top of that over pulling the same one 4 times so that she feels a bit stronger than HB
All they need to do is boost her numbers… “But she’s meant to be a Tank.” SHE SUCKS AT IT! I saw a Dehya Stan bragging about feeling invincible with a 70K DEHYA…if you need that much HP to get there then it just isn’t worth it. Boost her numbers or make the damage she takes boost her Burst Dmg and put it into one hit instead of multiple shots. DONE! She’s fixed! Ugghhhhh!!! Okay I’m done, needed to vent sorry.
Peoples thinking that Neuvilette is broken never saw a Kazuha in their life lol. Do you guys know that Kazuha + VV = C1 Furina in term of buffs for the swirled elements on top of Venti level of crowd control ? He does the work of two archons packed into one anemo short boy
to me raiden is by far the worst archon. mediocre ass dps that isn't necessary anywhere else and needs to steal a bunch of good characters to even work.
@@OktavianusCelestialinethat's goes for Every Archons 1.Zhongli You Already said it 2.Venti Heavily depends on the Abyss All the Inzuma patch Venti vas completely Useless then in Sumeru he was broken 3. Vertical investment Raiden is the best if you can save upto C2 Raiden is the best 4.If you Don't play Dendro Teams often then Nahida is literally useless I don't even remember last time I used Nahida After 3.2 5.Furina we have to see....
@@imibrahim1521 i see your point except for nahida, it is like saying XL is useless because i don't play pyro team, what kind of stupid reason is that?
@@imibrahim1521that point no4 is really stupid you can edit know, so i can said if i don't play spiral abyss all my dps char and artefact is useless. the fact is nahida can make useless char become OP unit (noelle,freminet,thoma,candace). don't said nahida beeing useless just because you don't want play her, even if you play a team that no need dendro reaction nahida still can carry the game
Raiden is just way better than Kuki all around, in overworld is literally as comfy as you get, in abyss is just shreds enemies so what's the point in trying to put Kuki in that same pedestal, especially considering in a subjective sense how fun Raiden hyper is.
Are there any other obviously not-carry characters that people still insist on trying to build as a carry? Haven't seen a 'kokomi sucks because her hypercarry team is bad' video in awhile.
i have tried it already. it's not bad, but uhh for me i'm not really a huge fan of it. i prefer the abit faster app not as fast as thoma's but faster than dehya's. and tbh it just feels like it becomes a normal hyperbloom team if dehya isn't using her burst. that's probably with the really fast applicators like Nahida/Ayato or anyone with fast hydro and dendro app. but with neuvillette is where dehya shines most. it's still more of a hyperbloom teams since her pyro app is still slow and she won't burgeon often but she'll proc burning which neuvillette can forward vape.
Archons go for me, Raiden>Zhongli>Venti>Furina. Based on how many teams they can create and general usefulness. Zhongli fits in more teams than Raiden but she has more usefulness. Venti has an issue with what he can suck up and otherwise being power crept by Kazuha. Furina fits in basically no teams and is even meh on Fontaine teams and doesn't offer much, especially if you can't horribly abuse her passives with HP changing.
Dehya will be good in snezhnaya trust
Cope
Well if we have the coold mechanic there xd she may be work
And Signora will be her REAL support
@@blitzus5022A dead unit with a dead character, a match made in heaven
The only thing we're probably getting for her up until snez are her cons probably. Iam still sad about her kit.
Oh Dehya. A cool character sabotaged by bad numbers and wonky ass design choices. C1 shoulda been baked into the kit, her skill doesn’t have 100% uptime, massive ER requirements, burst doesn’t count as normal or charged. It’s just super disappointing that her use cases is either actively nerfing yourself, or she only sort of coincidentally works.
Even worst the fact that her skill dissapears for no reason when shes using her burst so shes not even picking any particles like they really really hate her 😢
She's just in a wrong game
I'd accept her E not having 100% uptime if she actually gave energy back without Fav *and* if her ult actually does something.
@@oyaoya7164yeah she works well in code vein xd
There should be an interview study as to just what the aim was when designing her kit. You'd think she was patch one if you just started playing the game. Dreadful.
I will never understand why they didnt make her the elite character for burgeon and burn, with a kit focused in that reaction, just like nilou in bloom reactio. She surely can take the hits of the reaction, but the pyro aplication is just sooo bad, and the ultimate not counting as normal hits ruin the thing even more
i'm suprised as to why she feels close or worse than thoma in a burgeon team. like her app is slow and using her burst without the right hydro applicators and even if her burst cost is lower she's just as ER hungry. not to mention that Thoma has higher uptime, no hitbox issues and even if dehya has a larger aoe. Thoma also feels aoe is deceptively large as well. like i was suprised that the thung can proc seeds from behind me
True, her defensive utility is meh, her damage is meh, and then her element application is meh. I don't know why hyv approve her kit in the first place. I know she's gonna be on standard banner but she's still a 5 stars unit, her kit is should be better
@@ngasalaja2839 like even for a standard banner unit the standards are pretty low like yeah diluc, Keqing and Tighnari are solid damage dealers they might never deal as much damage as the limited 5 star but their damage is solid, even diluc isn't that bad.
Odd, ive been using her as a Burgeon and hyperburgeon onfield unit since her release without issue.
@@cresentj i mean for you probably. if it's fun for you then i'm not gonna stop you or anything. i've already tested myself. it's ok ngl but i prefer someone else who can proc the cores just a bit faster. as for the more pure burgeon teams. i'm not really a huge fan of the slow app and the weird hitboxes.
of course i see you in alot of dehya vids. i respect your dedication. i love her too and i hope furina can do something about her. but for me as of now i'm losing hope. for you, you can play with her if you still love playing her.
oh and question: who's your hydro if dehya is using her burst?
thats actually really interesting how he feels about raiden vs kuki hyperbloom because i had raiden before kuki and have the reverse opinion where i felt like getting kuki felt like such a nice upgrade to me after using raiden
The final cope for Dehya players has been layed to waste, First it started with: "maybe she will get buffs before release" to "maybe they will buff her before her banner ends" to "maybe the hydro archon will fix her".
Cope is eternal, clearly, Natlan will fix her-
eh dunno she sure fixed her for me,i will manage 45-50k punches without reactions now. with just c1.
@@KHFreack she aint even out yet boy stop.
@@Malix2238 eh her numbers are out so i can already know what she will add to my teams,bar a few beta changes im already set for either a dps team or a vadouvan(curry) team with hybrid focus of dendro reaction dmg and personal dps.
@@KHFreack lets say she does makes her attacks hit that hard. it doesnt fix her and she still sucks.
I feel happy whenever Zajef pulls that excel page. I love comparing characters stats and calculating dmg. If Zajef ever decides to run as the Genshin meta president he got my vote
He already might as well be.
I like the guy, I really do, and I enjoy the spreadsheets and calcs he does, and he might as well get the tc crown just because of how much good he did for the community’s awareness of the dank mechanics of the game… but I do believe he is sometimes way too focused on calcs and loses sight of the general bigger picture.
A game is a game, numbers will only get you so far, and for this reason some of his opinions are biased and skewed imho.
Also, since he doesn’t want to promote spending and whaling on the game he rarely takes constellations and 5 star weapons into account, this short video is proof enough of that.
He is the CEO of Genshin Theory Crafting, haven't you heard?
President of being the biggest clown
@@LoveYourself-318 yeah I agree. I may have used the wrong words, he does talk about constellations, but I have never seen him build a team with 5-star units constellations in his calcs; he does get some questions about it, like his ayaka ask zajef, but he still downplays the constellations a lot.
To be fair I use Nahida and Zhongli as E bots too
Nahida - Raiden duo is such a comfy overworld comp. You can fit so many into the remaining 2 slots.
I use Tighnari and Yelan.
I use Xingqiu - Venti
I use kazuha yelan. Kazu cuz mobs. Yelan cuz fast
Omg I have never been this early 😮 and I have been waiting for a Furina Team Guide!
Thanks to Zajef I'm now a believer on the fav weapons
If the editor was the one who put chat into a black box during excel, thank you so much!
What Zajef missed here is that due to Dehya's short on field time, you can actually heal more than just Kazuha and Dehya with Bennet's Q
@@sa-jy4velol no,kazuha with full em swirls does more damage than sub dps lynnette
@@sa-jy4ve And better than Lynette, is Prototype Amber Sucrose who solves all the problems of viability of the team. But he is so Kazuha minded, that he can't even read it when some said it in the chat.
@@Hinasis Sucrose EM is pointless in that team. Might as well bring Heizou
@@nonamepasserbya6658 Sucrose is much more than EM, and much better than Heizou, she has bonus damage as Kazuha without the need of building EM, she has off-field damage, and she has grouping. And EM isn't pointless anyway.
@@Hinasis EM is pointless if your character either not scale off EM or having such low base DMG that EM boost doesn't matter. If you just need a PA user then even Heizou can do the job. Just slap a Heal Bonus Circlet + ER on him and voila. That and PA is not good enough to solo sustain the entire team after the changes they did to Furina AND if you bring PA + HB on Sucrose she isn't doing much dmg anyway
I'm gonna try a Furina (C0-C2 I dunno, probably 0), C2 Nahida, C2 Deyha, C2 Raiden team.
Nahida and Raiden are built for EM, and Furina I guess HP (Would EM even work?), Deyha is built all HP with the clam set and around 1k def.
I'm gonna try and do a full AFK team where I do the skills then just stay on Deyha until I need to Refresh. Literally stand there and see if I can beat all content that way. lol Minus the Abyss.
Will probably suck, but it'll be funny.
I think the fact that Raiden can be a hyperbloom trigger, a sub DPS that makes it so you don’t need to funnel particles as much, and a potential hyper-carry herself (or just good on field DPS in a team like Raiden national) is enough to warrant her being second place behind Nahida.
Might become third when I actually get to play Furina, but for now I’d say second.
Funnily enough, Dehya actually has anti-synergy with Furina. Furina's burst gains her stacks from % of hp lost/gained, so you'd actually get less stacks with Dehya's E almost halving the damage that characters would take and the amount of dot that Dehya takes from that is further decreased. The only synergy you'd actually get out of Dehya is if you get her to low hp to proc her strong self-healing.
1. Furina has hp decreases and increases for All members.
2. Reason why there's the talk about 1 dedicated healer, not bc Furina can't heal but bc her passive increase dmg based on hp loss/gain.
3. Dehya c0 and Dehya c4 are 2 different characters.
Actually, it's not the best Furina team, but Furina + Dehya is certainly the best team for Dehya, specially if you've got c4 and don't rely on shields. The math here is wrong bc Furina hp decrease was never taken into account even when he assumed EQ, Benet heals more than 1 tick, and Dehya has hp recovery by herself. It's not the best team, it's not the strongest team, but it's not the worst team and makes Dehya actually viable in either overworld and spiral abyss.
How would Dehya's DoT be decreased?
@@Syokool
1. The hp increase and decrease is still % based so it really doesn't matter if the person it takes it from has high max hp or not.
2. Same as before, plus that just means it'd be better to have a dedicated healer than Dehya.
3. Who has C4 Dehya? You'd have to be a whale during her first-and-only banner or get Insanely lucky to get that many constellations.
Of course Furina makes Dehya stronger, her damage boosting is universal so she'll be good for anyone that doesn't have better options. So I suppose if you are a major Dehya simp then yes, they'd make a great team.
@@erys30 Her passive Unsting Succor: she will take 60% less DMG when receiving DMG from Redmane's Blood. I suppose it's more accurate to say that she and all her allies affected by it will take less damage, thus her dot will be weaker, but pretty much same effect as I mentioned before.
Then wouldn't you just use the DoT damage as a way for Dehya to get below 50% HP and then to 40% to heal herself? Plus you can just use Dehya as an E bot for burning so Furina forward vapes. And then you have to consider how Hoyo will punish the new meta of survivability = Damage like how Bathysmal vishaps countered Raiden in Inazuma, or the serpent husks and riftwolves against zhongli.
What better way to counter super chunky characters in the team than to create enemies that deal max HP% damage? Rather than a flat value, it's a percentage of HP being lost as damage, which, if coded correctly, would also be in favor of Dehya's damage mitigation since a flat value would translate into less % loss bit a percentage loss from dmg would be an equal percentage loss to Dehya.
The Damage mitigation was never the goal anyways. It was the A4 passive that is the goal, since it's a whopping 60% for a character pre-Fontaine.
Plus an HP manipulating team would have terrible struggles against pushy enemies or enemy freeze teams such as Consecrated beasts or the hydro herald, abyss lector combo. You could use a shielder and healer with Furina, but that's opening only one for a dps, but Dehya instead of shielder let's you increase team dps via HP fluctuations.
Sure is copium until you notice that the only hydro characters we see from Fontaine have weaker hydro than Yelan, so it's entailing that "why enable reverse vape with fast Hydro when you can forward vape with slow hydro? Dehya's pyro app is 175% faster than Furina's crab hydro, and is 280% faster than the Octopus' hydro app, and 120% faster than the ST seahorses hydro. So all along, Dehya could and simply is a pyro applicator this whole time. Ofc you can just butcher Xiangling's dps to be a pyro applicator through a ton of energy, but Xiangling also loses out on the opportunity to vape for big damage, plus Xiangling just applies pyro too fast for forward vape and burgeon to happen. Dehya's pyro app is slow and steady wins the race, so Furina can forward vape and Dehya burgeons.
I think Furina is gonna be really good in Dehya teams, but your gonna have to take out Dehya
That's a summary of all dehya teams not just ones with furina
"whats a good dehya team?"
"the ones where she isnt in it"
@@luiss428 False shes good with Fontaine characs
Jokes on you, Im staying on Kuki a decent amount of time cuz Nahida's burst go brrr and its not like it matters much who goes on field in hyperbloom Kuki with Xingqiu/Furina, hyperbloom is just that broken.
Oh my god I didn’t realize the cringe difference that is gonna limit the Kokomi and Furina synergy. I was hyping up mono hydro bc of the healing bonus combined with damage bonus is OP for Kokomi. It could be worse though, it will still be the stronger mono hydro, but I wanted bigger Kokomi numbers lmaooo
Wym kokomi furina yelan kaz is gonna be good
@@narukami4959 I just said it will be the strongest mono hydro team. It’s just that the fact that healing bonus is separated into the two categories so it won’t help Kokomi’s passive is just a little disappointing bc I thought it would have been a great synergy. I agree, it’s still gonna be strong! Sorry if my initial comment was confusing.
@@minecraftmonki3097Have bigger hopes! There will be a new set for healers (And it will buff more the team, let's hope in a good way lol)
@@FichaGris I hope so!
it doesnt matter that much tbh
Feels like it’s time to give up on Dehya, her best team is the 4th slot in a hyperbloom team and just never have her on field
Nothing like that.
1st math was wrong and it never took Furina skills decreasing hp into consideration,
2nd Benet before Kazuha is not the same as Furina before Kazuha, and here he is assumed Furina Benet, which is stupid af. Why would anyone do that when you want Benet + Kazuha do fire resistance, Furina's hydro application and Dehya triggering vapes and reverse vapes.
So, the only reason the team is not as good as it should, is solely bc Dehya mechanics, nothing else.
@@Syokoolyeah...sure buddy. Its fine to cooe but...uhh its too late, when you gonna put down the copuim. Also dont call someones msths wrong until you can provide evidence and and so called correct math yourself.
At least now she has 2 actually good teams that benefit from her. Burning ganyu and mono pyro lyney. Other than that playing her is just like playing every other 4*. Yes, she will clear 36* if you build her enough etc. but it feels wrong. After c1 she is okayish and after c2 you can play her kinda like a fischl, give her the new artifact set and never use burst.
@@asoko1157 Her problem is that her best teams others slot just fine if not better there, assuming you have the investment and skill level necessary, also, being real, she just doesn't really feel all that great to play imo, like a failed concept. Xinyan, (I hate to bring up this clapped out comparison, yet again) is ass just the same way but for me, I feel like at least Xinyan can sort of feel nice to play, even if it's just in one team, it's sort of easy E, Q, not really awful ER req just simple playstyle. Dehya just feels bad to play as a DPS because of awful numbers across the board, this is horrible for a 5 star in this economy imo.
She can work but there doesn't feel like there are teams where Dehya takes centre stage or really feels valuable, she has like two or 3 that are at best okay and they can work just fine without her.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks I wouldn't say she is bad to play. Yes, her numbers are a joke and in some scenarios burst might be tricky to use but there are more clunky chars, for me two examples would be eula and klee. So I would rate her in the middle of the pack in terms of fun gameplay. And yes obviously you can swap her for other chars and you would get better teams, but that works for every 4* dps and some supps too.
There is one team that dehya is clearly the best choice and it's lyney mono pyro. There is no competition for that slot tho as zhongli is wrong element and tankfei, xinyan are just worse. Her rotations feel even smooth there and you don't use her burst which is uhmm a failed concept to say the least. Other than that only she can make burn ganyu viable but it's comparable to normal melt ganyu so it's not that valuable I guess.
raiden and kuki hyperbloom is very diff imo, diff use cases esp when it comes to shield breaking kuki hyper is just better
I spent so much time in emblem for raiden that i don't wanna change her to an em build just yet
If you've ever got a Kuki, you don't need to change emblem.
@@SyokoolIf you've ever got raiden you don't need to build kukie!
@@ferend4038 I do it anyway because I like my Raiden to be played as a normal DPS. If Kuki does the job just fine on the other side then why not just have her built for it instead. 😊
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks you can have raiden doing both, it's as simple as that
@@ferend4038 Not really because Abyss has two sides and you only have one Raiden.
I've been using Dehya with Furina along with Nahida and Baizhu in a vapeburgeon team even tho Furina doesn't buff transformative reactions herself. I really like the overall synergy between the characters here as it has enough dendro for Dehya to maintain the pyro aura thus allowing Furina to consistently vape most of her hits while Dehya also contributes with damage by popping the cores that eventually form. Plus Nahida really benefits from Furina's burst while also buffing on-field Dehya with EM making her burgeon damage even better (and Baizhu contributes to that to a smaller extent through his A4 passive, but he's here mostly for the dendro resonance and team healing). I've been playing Dehya burgeon since her release and have been enjoying a lot, but this team became my favorite because here I can actually benefit from her burst and playing her on field.
Could you theoretically build dehya with extremely low hp so that her self dmg mechanic almost kills her and them her strong selfhealing after getting to low hp. This could gain stacks on furina pretty fast, no?
And with c6 barbara you could just tank hits until you die and get immediately healed to 100%
Problem with that is that you basically have 2 non-damage dealers, which just craters your team's damage. Sounds interesting tho
EDIT: not to mention her passive has a 20s cooldown
Ranking archons, just like any other characters, are hard.
Nahida is definitely the strongest, she's the godfather of dendro. She is one of the best on-fielder and THE best off-fielder for dendro, and the only meta reason you would pull for another dendro character is to get one that heals.
After that, I'd say Raiden is the next best. She generates fuck ton of energy, she has good dmg, and she has hyperbloom now. Whether you play her as intended or as EM shogun, she's very strong.
Furina is obviously hard to rank, but it does seem like she will be busted with every Fontaine dps, so that's good.
Venti is the best bastard to have when he works. Unparalleled crowd control, but as for buffing, he is outshined by both Sucrose and Kazuha.
While Zhongli, comfy as he is, he's suboptimal in nearly every team. I love using him and will not swap him for any other archon released or otherwise, but that doesn't mean he's good meta wise. He just lets you go on autopilot and not care about how bad you play, which for someone like me is a godsend.
Raiden above furina is crazy
@@narukami4959 its probably bc furina cant be a better replacement for Yelan or XQ in existing teams and will have to rely on Fontaine characters. but yeah i get the sentiment seeing raiden over furina being crazy since i can only think of raiden national, hyper, and hyperbloom while furina can do so much more due to being a hydro character
@@platinooah245 why would she rely on fontaine units
@@narukami4959 easier stacking i guess. truth be told i am not that well informed about furina either. but i do know that fontaine characters will generally have more hp fluctuations (since thats their main gimmick) compared to units from other nations
@@platinooah245 i mean ig? But you have to run a healer anyway soo
"You don't want to replace Bennett"
Oh, yes I do, yes I can, and yes I have: Sayu with VV set and Fav Greatsword.
The only way I'm going to play Bennett and Kazuha long-term is if you hold me at gunpoint _and I will be checking to see if the gun is loaded._
Edit: I should note that my Dehya is C4, which gives quite a bit of wiggle room regarding ER.
So... yeah.
I'm still checking to see if that gun is loaded.
yeah i pretty much stopped using bennet like a year ago.
Healing Bonus Bennet is a thing now, let's gooo
HP/HP/Healing Bonus Bennett meta
@@wolfwoof2000that’s what I’ve always used, not sure why anyone wouldn’t run that.
@@tehCostHDyou’d want an er sands that’s about it
@@jaydenchaney4081 oh wait yeah I run an ER sand too
@@jaydenchaney4081 I run bennet with skyward sword, ER HP Healing bonus
I'm playing Shenhe, Wriothesley, Dehya, Baizhu, maybe it's unoptimal and there are better options but it works and feels fun for me
Is Raiden > Kuki? I guess for the Nahida snipes? I really like Kuki since she can grab straggling seeds when a new wave spawns and I still have uptime on Alhaitham.
I think they just function differently and zajef is stuck with playing teams that prefers raiden's way of triggering seeds that's why he finds it so much better when it isnt
@@do_cyx I think the reason he prefers Raiden is:
1. Raiden's E is 25 second duration not 12/15 (ofc still depends on the rotation, but longer uptime *feels* better)
2. Raiden can proc hyperblooms from range
3. Kuki is always on life support
@@cybergamer__ and raiden can't proc shit when it's shielded enemies or if u play her with a mobile enemy and u have no range, obv raiden is very good and prolly better than kuki but they're not that much similar esp when kuki condenses the dmg role and healer role into 1 and she's a 4*
I was thinking Deyha, Bennet, Jean and Furina. But, that would mean I have to raise and build Deyha 🙂.
I’m the opposite once I got Kuki I couldn’t play raiden as a e bot for hyperbloom.
Raiden skill only procs on-hit; Kuki's ring pulses while I'm dodging, while in burst animations, while i'm hitting shields... No idea why Zajef prefers Raiden. My only guess is that her hair reminds him of Xingqui.
Archon at c2 ranking maybe? I think Furina is the best cons 2 after her release.
Raiden is electro dps at c2, while nahida c2 make hyperbloom became ultrabloom
For Furina c2 is it the infusion or fanfare stack increase since they swapped c2 and c6
nahida c2 is still way better because she has more teams without any restrictions compared to furina, also the def reduction is more valuable than some extra dmg bonus which is easily available nowadays
@@mickysaif Furina's buff gives more than -30 defense reduction, and Nahida also has a limitation: to cut defense you need electro + dendro, and for furina only a healer, of any element.
Furina c2 way better
@@mickysaif hydro has more teams then dendro furina will probably have more teams
I think you have missed Burgeon Dehya build, which is better than hypercarry because of Furina release and how her animals work. Dehya + Furina + Nahida + Barbara might be actually workable team in Dehya EM build, which i think was intended in a first place since if you want to trigger burgeon, you just have to hit it with pyro damage, even without counting ICD
Replace Kazuha with Jean, so: Jean sunfire-Furina
Jean Sunfurina
dehya won’t be getting any vapes tho
Full EM Jean in that case?
Sunfire will steal all the vapes and deal more dmg than Dehya 😅
@@yaemiko0614That's fine she does no dmg anyway, she can support bot and Jean and Furina can do the dmg.
0:24 isn't incoming healing bonus multiplicative with outgoing healing bonus? Why did he not talk about that when that should be the first thing to note?
I had to use hyperbloom raiden in abyss when dendro was released. But it felt way too weird to use a powerful dps as just a trigger for hyperbloom. So I got kuki instead and raiden is back to being carry.
Making raiden em focused is kinda disgusting to me.
i thought the same way as you did, before i realized i can turn my brain off while playing kuki because of her healing and kazuha bennett are better used in international than raiden hyper. (C2 raiden btw but international still feels better)
@@Axis0504 I have c2 raiden too but sara still c3 so don't really play hypercarry raiden. Mostly rational or electrocharged along with yelan. Kuki also slaps btw. She's perfect for hyperbloom.
Raiden's best role at c0 is being hyperbloom trigger though, if you have c2 then hypercarry becomes better.
@@Matthew-qt3jk nah my raiden c0 used to do 200k burst dmg then 20 to 23k dmg throughout the duration. Helps in er generation too. Hyperbloom raiden is use e swap out. Her personal dmg is zero. So much wasted potential there. Her best team at c0 is rational imo. Rational and kuki hyperbloom has helped me get 36 stars every abyss.
@@dnyaneshkale9540i mean... You're objectively wrong. Sure to you her best team might be Rational even though it's aids to play in aoe but decent in single targrt but in reality hyperbloom raiden is better.
so short answer = long answer = no?
aight, pack it up yall
I find my dehya quite usefull with Neuvillete, and sometimes IT EVEN WAPES.
SHIEEEEEEEEEET she's meta now OMFG
"WAP"es
☠@@MrcreeperDXD777
So bottom line, Dehya sucks and not even Furina can save her. Got it.
Raiden rant incoming. Her Rational team is such a mild upgrade if at all over the standard Anemo variants, her Hypercarry team is a generic Bennett/Kazuha team that anyone can pull off with the same if not better numbers at C0, and her role as an E bot is accomplished with no meaningful differences by Kuki, especially on single Hydro variants where Raiden's slightly faster tick rate doesn't even matter HBs (and double Electro/ double Dendro variants of Hyperbloom are the ceiling with vertical investment anyways). She doesn't add any value to an account that another character doesn't already provide while all the other Archons do have attributes that are unique to them.
Is she a good character? Absolutely. Is she a contender for best character like some people like to say? Hell no - she fits into the same tier as Hu Tao and Childe and stuff
Dmg wise i would agree but the infinite poise makes her arguably a bit better especially for casual player and fighting against conscrated beast. But i think you are too harsh on the E bot part while not mentioning kuki health drain which not a big of problem but still a downsides. She's also really fun to play.
I think that a stat like Incoming Damage Bonus could be very interesting and fun if some enemies could increase it by some of their attacks for a period of time from 0% to like 50% or more and it would also help Furina gain stacks faster and affect Hu Tao, Xiao, Dehya and Fontaine characters by increasing their self damage and Furina's HP drown.
No news on Support Dehya with a Furina Carry. Can Furina's health drain effect Dehya's Elemental skill?
Yes it's wrong to call R Shogun good only bec of her E and only at hyperbloom.....
bec she can be strong hypercarry as C0 with the catch and still kills everthing around her with her Q
She is my favorite character, I tried all the combinations with her and there are many, you just have to make an effort to try them
2 years ago if someone told me that Raiden would be relegated to dendro support and not a hypercarry, and its better
I would've called you insane and very tarded
So does furina work better with hu tao now because she stacks burst more by herself, or still not good because she wants a team wide healer?
Still need a healer, so 2 slots need to be replaced, but who the fk are u gonna replace to bring improvement
Yelan does good dmg, Xingqiu offers good survivability plus stable hydro Aura, Zhongli offer resistance shred which is something this team lacks due to lack of Anemo support and complete stagger resistance so your Hutao below 50% won’t need to worry about dying
Ur replace 2 of these 3 characters, u will most likely lose comfort and gain minor dmg increase
Yes she does. There's a 1 thing these idiots got wrong, and that is Furina needed a healer.
Yeah, no. The reason for a healer was to trigger her passive frequently, bc she eats hp and team won't recover hp fast enough for the passive to kick in, but Hutao don't need that. She actually doesn't need a healer bc less hp = more damage.
Furina replaces XQ that, albeit gives interruption resistance, can't give the Furina + Yelan boss of 175% dmg. Furina C0 > XQ c6.
So Hutao + Yelan + Furina + (Benet, Kazuha, Zhongli, XQ, Barbara etc) is easy one if not the best Hutao team.
At C0 hu tao, you probably still want xingqiu, so hu tao, xingqiu, furina, baizhu/jean. At C1 hu tao xingqiu is kinda dead tho, so hu tao, yelan, furina, jean/baizhu will be good. If you go C2 furina, you can go full heal instructor bennett insted of jean/baizhu.
@@Syokoolur dumb as rocks dude, truly. Idk how u managed to write all that and think u did something. Go back to grade school before u start cooking some dark matter
@@SyokoolCurrent beta version of Furina suggests differently though, if you want your Hu Tao party to benefit from Furina boost from your second rotation you need team heal, which Furina’s healing mode at C0 does not help at all. Damage from Hu Tao-Furina team does not come from only Hu Tao, quite ironic when you suggest healer options (Bennett, Barbara) when you say she does not need one.
He talks about Raiden as if the Hyperbloom isn't just a cherry on top of an already great kit lol
i’m really sad that zajef didn’t make a wrio pre release video (idk if he will but like it’s been more than a month since his kit was leaked so …) because even if he is underwhelming meta wise i still wanna pull for him how he wanted to pull for dehya, and it would be nice to prepare his artifacts/teams
He tried doing it again, so There should be one soon
He did kinda but it got attacked by Genshin’s lawyers
it would be okay if she was 4* but nope who the hell thinks in the hoyo team thought its a good idea. wasting such unique design character only for almost nobody to use it with.
Does Furina's E remove Serpent Spine's stack?
Just go burgeon Dehya, her burst should work with Furina's E so you can probably do a weird build on Dehya and go half normal dmg and half EM copium
i tried Dehya burgeon but with the current units as of now it feels like eh, i hope furina can do something about it assuming if her app is pretty fast. like i'm suprised she feels like she has worse pyro application than freakin Thoma a 4 star where she should have beat. like Thoma provides better uptime and a deceptively large AoE i was suprised i was hitting seeds behind me. and don't underestimate those small shields even with full EM as the provide full interruption resistance and if paired with xingqiu you'll be fine. as for healers you have a flex slot to handle it or if you're playing Ayato then you can probably use bennett.
@@usmanya5110 no no, Dehya burgeon isnt good at all, Thoma is indeed way better, Im saying to try Dehya burgeon when Furina drops since now Dehya will have a decent speed to proc burgeons on her burst.
I believe that due to her burst being really short, it will still be better to go for a half EM/half crt build so both her burst and the burgeons can deal decent dmg but for now its just my feelingcraft, burgeon and hyperbloom are just too broken so it wont surprise me if going full EM turns out to be better.
Short answer : no
Long answer: noooooooooooo
6:06 Neuvillette is very strong, but clearly overrated. Sure, he's above the average On Field DPS, but he's far from being a powercreep.
The current abyss blessing is by far the most broken character-specific blessing we've had in the game in a long time (or ever). The blessing's buff is almost as high as the average buff of a C0 Furina, but without taking up space on the team.
It's almost as if in the current abyss, Neuvillette can use teams of 5 characters.
48% for charge attacks is nowhere near the early 75% one type elemental damages from early
@@lafeechloe6998 those were not blessings, those were ley line disorders, and they have not been in the abyss 12 since 1.3
Have you seen his sheet dps with furina ? It's almost as high as hu tao, but he has one of the best AoEs in the game on top of that. Usually units excel in either single target or AoE, but bro has both those categories covered, and is near the top in both of them. He's powercrept a lot of main dps characters easily, unless they nerf furina, which i doubt they will cuz they want them moneyzzzz
You can clear abyss putting a fidget spinner under your phone and spinning it, with neuvilette you literally don't even have to play the game. He is not overrated. He is the most braindead and broken character so far.
@@nymphalissNah, supports and off field dps characters will always be the most broken units, he's just the best on field main dps we have rn. He's realistically far from being the most broken thing in this game, with bennett, furina, kazuha, yelan, nahida, xingqiu, fischl, xiangling existing.
Sure Id say kuki and Raiden are comparable in hyperbloom but I think its crazy when people dont mention Raiden National is a team option and just treat her as an ebot.
Raiden National? in this economy? fr though this isn't 2.0 anymore, Rational was ok in single target and dogshit in aoe. I played it because I wanted to use on-field Raiden but hate hypercarry teams, but even Sucrose National is way better. my Raiden has been on full EM hyperbloom build for over a year now and it won't change anytime soon
If she is gonna be better than Mona then there is no other option but pulling on Furina banner for Dehya :)
I really like the opening
This analysis is not accurate anymore because furina's stack counts has changed and in these teams, dehya provides stacks from her hp loss and gain mechanics plus resistance to interruption. I think that having dehya, furina neuvilette and vv jean in a team is gonna be an actually good team.
Soooo whats the verdict
Wouldnt using bennetts burst later make more sense? furina does need atleast 7-10 secs to gain a good amount of stacks without cons.
So wouldnt dehya e,furina eq,kazuha eq,bennett eq dehya q make more sense?
yes you might swirl and infuse hydro with kazuha but i dont see this as an issue would allow dehya to get vapes more reliable with furina e apply combined.
using bennetts burst later might also allow the team to get bennett heals
as everyone should be below 70% and with furina buff bennett can easily heal to full a well invested bennett
by my calculations heals for 10k+ hp so over half of the average units hp the only one here he wouldnt full heal would be furina and using her own heal mode
for like a few sec shouldnt be that bad.
by using bennett later you can swap back into kazuha after dehyas burst so he goes to full dehya should be near to full and furina can self heal if she doesnt get anything.
kazuhas burst might run out before dehya is done but i dont think that it will create any issues so long you are fast enough.
i can see it work well enough to be good and fun,for sure aint meta given its a dehya team but tbh that doesnt really matter.
I was wondering Vourukasha's Glow artifact set will be any good now? With all this losing and healing HP teams mechanic
It doesn't work with the "losing HP" mechanic lol. Marechaussee Hunter may see a lot of uses.
We start at the church because Dehya needs a miracle v_V
As a Dehya C1R1 clearing Abyss with her, she is a fking lost cause... just move on to something else, Arlechino is around the corner anyway...
I refuse to ever put full EM on Raiden, I did not spend hundreds of dollars on C2R1 to just E swap…
Also, to this day, Raiden Hyper still clears 90% of all content, brute forcing through any gimmick and ignoring any buff.
sounds like you spent money just to limit your team options lmao. thanks for reminding me to not ever pull cons if I wanna enjoy the game
Furina isn't even out yet, and Neuvillete is already this busted. Seems like Fontaine is the nation of powercreep.
With strong characters comes strong enemies. Powercreep is real tho.
Proper powercreep in genshin? Just no bro
@@shivamkumarsingh3940That's what bothers me the most. If they design future enemies and abysses with such broken characters in mind, it's game over for a substantial amount of older characters.
Stop doom posting. Neuvillete isn’t even broken. He’s nowhere near as good as ganyu and hu Tao were when they came out. THAT was power creep. THIS is NOT. He’s just a really good character. That’s it. He’s not broken or OP. Theres plenty of DPS as good as him and teams as good as his.
@@shivamkumarsingh3940 is it tho? Bennett, Xiangling and Xingqiu are still the top units to this day and nothing seems to be changing anytime soon
I was screaming "Prototype Amber Sucrose" the whole first half of the video... People needs to stop thinking in 2D nor old meta way.
Cant wait to have a 5 archon foul expedition..😂
a year later, her best team by a mile is furina mona bennett
So is support Dehya actually good?
Ranking Archons? For the time being lets put Furina to the side because shes still not out yet, but i can comfortably say shes a strong second place if not first spot.
In first place we have Nahida and i doubt anyone would disagree on this front. Shes leaps and bounds stronger than anyone else in her element. Hell, shes leaps and bounds better than the other Archons its kinda silly. Shes the best Dendro unit hands down and will realistically never be dethroned.
Past Nahida is where things get tricky because the other 3 have caveats. Raiden is a powerful DPS but she isnt needed in her main teams since other National variations exist and for Hyperbloom Kuki does her job almost as well.
Zhongli is the ultimate comfort unit but supplies next to no damage for the team, but for Dendro, Geo, and Anemo units, hes one of the few sources of Resistance shred they have.
And Venti is such a match up dependent unit. If the fight is able to be sucked into his burst hes the best unit in the game no questions asked. But there is the large asterisk of "if". Couple that with more consistent options in Kazuha and Sucrose and he somewhat falls off.
So for now, my rankings are Nahida>Furina>Raiden>Zhongli>Venti
Funny how depending on how Furina turns out, the Archons have gotten stronger each region.
i won't include furina, but in short my ranks are Nahida > zhongli > venti > raiden.
I think raiden is just a throwaway dps unit at c0 and there are units that are BETTER than her at either of her positions.
@@GraveUypohow come the loss dps guy is second place? Bro i have all archon, and i can say, putting raiden below zhongli and venti is insane lol nahida>raiden>venti>zhongi
Look, I know her damage is bad. But among mono element comps that are already super comfy to play, Dehya mono pyro provides the most braindead gameplay that one could imagine. There's not even a tiny chance for cycle and ER interruption. All you need to stare at is the damn abyss clock.
Zajef shilling Xingqiu and hyperbloom every 5 minutes has become as much of a meme as Tenten shilling Xiangling.
Pyro Archon will be a Dehya buff. Screencap this.
Who tf said "his healing isn't even that high" like bro do you even have him or are you making things up.
how about Crit Kaveh in a Furina, Nilou, Yaoyao team. Kaveh can stack Furina's buff fairly easy with Nilou and he has good attacks scalings.
Nope, Nilou actually doesn't fit as much as Xingchiu or Yelan there.
That team doesn't need a healer, because Kaveh heals himself. Instead of Yaoyao put Kirara, Collei or dendro traveler.
furina doesnt buff bloom damage
Maybe Dehya could be good if she drain the HP that Furina consume to allies with her pasive? XD #hopium
C3 raiden hypercarry is absolutely busted. I never feel the need to play her in hyperbloom since we have kuki
Well sure but that requires you to pull the same unit three extra times, HB is busted even without that
@@chanderule6054 times
@@chanderule605it's based on personal preference, better to use a character as they're supposed to be than a cringe E bot, also she's already great at c0
@@mickysaif Personal preference and all but Id rather get one busted characters and then 3 extra characters on top of that over pulling the same one 4 times so that she feels a bit stronger than HB
@@chanderule605 but she's still great at c0
With every passing minute, this type of copium intensifies
All they need to do is boost her numbers…
“But she’s meant to be a Tank.”
SHE SUCKS AT IT!
I saw a Dehya Stan bragging about feeling invincible with a 70K DEHYA…if you need that much HP to get there then it just isn’t worth it.
Boost her numbers or make the damage she takes boost her Burst Dmg and put it into one hit instead of multiple shots. DONE! She’s fixed!
Ugghhhhh!!! Okay I’m done,
needed to vent sorry.
and maybe some healing cause you still take 50% and if you're not playing neuvi good luck with survivability.
My advice
Peoples thinking that Neuvilette is broken never saw a Kazuha in their life lol. Do you guys know that Kazuha + VV = C1 Furina in term of buffs for the swirled elements on top of Venti level of crowd control ? He does the work of two archons packed into one anemo short boy
only good team for dehya is dehya with tenacity , ganyu, benett , nahida
to me raiden is by far the worst archon. mediocre ass dps that isn't necessary anywhere else and needs to steal a bunch of good characters to even work.
Dehya has more than 1 carry team, and furina would make vape dehya better. But you don't need Bennet with dehya.
How will you get energy without Bennett?
@tomekpiatek88 dori when needed, but normally my dehya is om field so I don't worry about my energy like that.
@@hypersonic3019 You're doing Abyss 12 with Dehya Dori team?
@@tomekpiatek88 yep
Cope harder friends 😢
As a c6 Dehya haver who 36* the abyss with her every rotation as the main dps I find this an absolute, mediocre win 🤣
Ranking Archon is Completely Subjective So take thats with Grant of Salt
especially for zhongli
the more people had skill/device issue, the more it's high ranked
@@OktavianusCelestialinethat's goes for Every Archons
1.Zhongli You Already said it
2.Venti Heavily depends on the Abyss All the Inzuma patch Venti vas completely Useless then in Sumeru he was broken
3. Vertical investment Raiden is the best if you can save upto C2 Raiden is the best
4.If you Don't play Dendro Teams often then Nahida is literally useless I don't even remember last time I used Nahida After 3.2
5.Furina we have to see....
@@imibrahim1521 i see your point except for nahida, it is like saying XL is useless because i don't play pyro team, what kind of stupid reason is that?
@@imibrahim1521that point no4 is really stupid you can edit know, so i can said if i don't play spiral abyss all my dps char and artefact is useless.
the fact is nahida can make useless char become OP unit (noelle,freminet,thoma,candace). don't said nahida beeing useless just because you don't want play her, even if you play a team that no need dendro reaction nahida still can carry the game
@@imibrahim1521Sorry but C2 Raiden is just not it man.
I actually think its not that great or was every that good to begin with.
Dehya copium rises again?
Raiden is just way better than Kuki all around, in overworld is literally as comfy as you get, in abyss is just shreds enemies so what's the point in trying to put Kuki in that same pedestal, especially considering in a subjective sense how fun Raiden hyper is.
Don't be ruining my Dheya dreams like this, I'll have c4 one day T-T
I'm hoping to lose all my 50/50s to Dehya while pulling c2 furina. I only need one more copy for c2 🥲
@@FunkyEspelhoCat c2 is nice for the duration extension. Currently C3 and counting
Are there any other obviously not-carry characters that people still insist on trying to build as a carry? Haven't seen a 'kokomi sucks because her hypercarry team is bad' video in awhile.
it's hard because at times dehya is a mix of whatever she is that doesn't feel well at all. besides neuvi and lyney.
Zajef cope
Bro Wriothesley pre release NOW!!! Coward
Yo first
Venti over ZL IS INSANE cause zl is in actually optimal teams(hypercarries) and venti is just in one (freeze ganyu)
Dehya is good for a while now with hyperburgeon, wtf is this troll about
i have tried it already. it's not bad, but uhh for me i'm not really a huge fan of it. i prefer the abit faster app not as fast as thoma's but faster than dehya's. and tbh it just feels like it becomes a normal hyperbloom team if dehya isn't using her burst. that's probably with the really fast applicators like Nahida/Ayato or anyone with fast hydro and dendro app. but with neuvillette is where dehya shines most. it's still more of a hyperbloom teams since her pyro app is still slow and she won't burgeon often but she'll proc burning which neuvillette can forward vape.
in today's news:
the biggest Dehya doomposter says Dehya is trash
*surprised pikachu face
Ew, him again 🤢
Archons go for me, Raiden>Zhongli>Venti>Furina. Based on how many teams they can create and general usefulness. Zhongli fits in more teams than Raiden but she has more usefulness. Venti has an issue with what he can suck up and otherwise being power crept by Kazuha. Furina fits in basically no teams and is even meh on Fontaine teams and doesn't offer much, especially if you can't horribly abuse her passives with HP changing.
where's nahida or is she excluded since she's in a class of her own?
What the fuck
Between Venti and Zhongli. @@usmanya5110
Dehyapression
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