Ultra Fusion Can't Work
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2023
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The concept of Ultra Fusion is fascinating. The idea of combining Ultra Instinct Goku with Ultra Ego Vegeta is eye candy for fans. This would truly be an ultimate fusion in dragon ball. But why wouldn't it work? Conceptually, the form just makes no sense. Qaaman explains this about Goku and Vegeta in their ultra god forms today.
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Okay but, Beerus uses ultra instinct and destruction energy at the same time in the manga. Though, you do also have to factor in that Beerus had millions of years with training experience.
That's a very good point.
He still hasn't mastered it though, and it seems as if his raw power eclipses the need to learn UI fully. A fusion would likely be what Beeurus should have, insane destructive capability with fusion. I also think this is perfect for defeating villains. The importance of teamwork, and a balance of technique, defense and offense, showing people what the pinnacle of strength is.
Nah It’s not the same
Yes, but also, Beerus isn’t the main character. Gogeta is both the main characters. He’d get that shit immediately.
Beerus is actually weaker than hes ever been because he got very lazy and sleeps all the time now. Goku mastered Ultra Instinct but that doesnt mean its "stronger" than Beerus's Ultra Instinct.
Honestly I think think that if they do fuse they would likely just switch back and froth between the techniques.
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I think this fusion can work, and work quite well BECAUSE it's so contradictory. Think about it...Goku and Vegeta fuse into Vegito via Potara, and when he is on the offensive, he's using the Ultra Ego aspect of the form. On the defensive, he's using the ultra instinct part. Yes, it's like a huge cheat code, but fusion in itself is like a big cheat code as well, so it doesn't really matter. You could also have a situation where they're up against a new opponent and god ki simply doesn't work on them at all and they have to go back to what they used to do. I think this is a fantastic idea because it furthers the plot, makes the characters THINK instead of overpowering the other guy, and it makes it so the fusion loses because as we all know, fusion isn't allowed to get the kill.
That actually makes a lot of sense, it’d make fights more interesting
Also “Fusion isn’t allowed to get the kill” isn’t entirely true. Gogeta killed Janemba during fusion reborn
Ultra Instinct is someone body automatically acting in both offense and defense. Meaning it’s very possible that if Ultra Instinct Vegito is faced with an attack he cannot dodge his body will automatically transform into Ultra Ego
Are we just going to ignore that for Ultra ego to work in the first place you need to get hit?? and the more you get hit the stronger you get, that's completely contradictory to ultra instinct where when it's mastered you can't get hit, it just doesn't work.
Plot twist Goku's fingers while in UI would actually dodge Vegeta's and the fusion would never connect ☠️
When I saw the title I thought it was referring to the Ultra Fusion from the game Dragon Ball Fusions
Fusion never wins outside the movies lol.
i believe if fused, they could use ultra instinct and ultra ego, but not simultaneously. to access one form you need to think differently. you cannot be tranquil and destructive; they contradict each other and/or are opposites in nature. for example you can't be a narcissist and be humble, two different natures. Thats why an "ultra gogeta or vegito" is not realistic; debatably cool/interesting but not realistic. similar to yin and yang.
Ultra Ego Vegito has a nice ring to it
No
True ultra instinct does not require emotion
Thats why ikari ultra instinct will come to play
That’s what I’ve said before too. They either cancel eachother out and can’t use neither or they can only use one at a time
I really like the thought of Ultra forms not being compatible with fusion. It lets them maintain a tier of power that is unique to Goku and Vegeta entirely allowing them to theoretically supersede the need to fuse if their peak potential in their forms is stronger than the likes of Blue Vegito or Gogeta. While keeping in line that neither of them likes resorting to fusing.
Vegeta hates the fuse, but when it comes down to it, kakarot With Vegeta in a heartbeat but Vegeta rather rely on his own abilities but I think we probably will see that fusion from a marketing standpoint. It would be crazy. I’m shocked that heroes haven’t done crazy fusions already.
vegeta hates the dance more than potara cuz you gotta do a gay tik tak dance to make gogeta while vegito you can put it on the earrings after goku says something about bulma then become vegito
I mean Beerus used UI in manga, and in Dragon Ball Fusions and dokkan Beerus and Whis fuse with both Hakai and presumably Whis innate UI. Also in Xenoverse you can have UI and Hakai at the same time. So I feel like while they are opposing techniques, they can be used together, albeit its probably very challenging to do so.
Imagine if Ultra Gogeta/Vegtio only had one eyebrow. It'd be silver of course.
Bro explain yourself
@@TimmyTurner421 UE Vegeta has no eyebrows, UI Goku does
I think it would be a mix between effortless instinctual movement and raw limitless power. Same personality as Gogeta usually, except he can effortlessly switch between complete calm and total destruction in the blink of an eye. Maybe sudden aura changes, or whichever way he's feeling currently, that aura is layered on top of the other (purple on top of silver, or vice versa).
I imagine it being a mix between a God of Destruction and an Angel.
Ego Instinct Gogeta/Vegito will sell merch. We know that money is all that they care about.
If they fused I think the fusion would only use one of the forms at a time, as opposed to a fused version of both forms.
The way the forms work then in theory they shouldn't work together. But if it will make Toei and Shueisha money then of course it will work
If this was 2021 before the Granolah arc and Super Hero, I would agree. However, in 2023, with those materials. I'd argue the line is starting to blur because we now have the revelation of TUI, Ultra Instinct that doesn't require a calm mind with emotions and Vegeta in Super Hero basically talking about aiming for UI properties.
@@spritvio639agreed
Honestly idk why people think if they fuse they’ll use both forms at the same time. Even if going back an forth they’ll defuse and faster. I think they use either one for potara or just fusion
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The mentalities are different but if you get past that the forms would merge together pretty well. Basically take ultra instinct but it has an extremely destructive offensive and on the off chance the user got hit they would get a power boost and be able to dodge and attack even more effectively. It would be awesome to fight some angle level threat at the end of the story
Personally I dont think so. You cant be tranquil and destructive at the same time first of all. And second the boosts they give contradict each other, UI is about evasion UE is about powering through. The boost from UE would be extremely minimal because UI would make sure you don't get hit in the first place it just doesnt make sense.
I would love to see a fusion between UI Goku and Beast Gohan
Broly and Gohan would be cooler
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I think it makes perfect sense.
Vegito went blue. So fusion can use god Ki.
They can potara it. Forces the Fusion. Both forms are like the what the other form lacks.
Yin and Yang. Both these forms are asking for a fusion. Since it has a time limit, they will defuse.
I still think the dance works. Just ret-con it. "oh, when its god ki, you don't need to match power levels".
I think if they tried too, they would somehow find a middle ground and become a whole NEW form we've never seen before with possible mixes of their abilities
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Throwing a few what-ifs scenarios as I’m rewatching Z with my 5-year old that loves dragonball.
What if Nail joined the fight against the ginyu force?
What if Goku didn’t let Jeice get away?
What if Frieza didn’t finish vegeta off when Goku arrived?
What if piccolo fused with Kama during the saiyan saga?
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Honestly, I think it would likely impossible simply due to the power output and time limitations. SSB Vegito already had a roughly 5-10 min duration during the battle with Merged Zamasu, the Ultra forms would probably reduce it to near-instant split
I think even if the ultra fusion was possible with the potara, any battle with that Vegetto would have to have TOP level pacing because that fusion is only gonna last 2 seconds because of the power drain lmao. Maybe fusion dance would be a better fit because that method always seems to have a set 30 minute fusion time, discarding GT obviously
Just the other week I thought about how cool Ultra Ego Vegito sounds
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well, beerus has done it. he should have at some point be able to use mui mue at the same time. but the potara fusion is out of the question because the time limit shortens if they use too much energy, and the amount of energy that ultra vegito would use will make the fusion last for 1 min or less probably
What a clever way to throw the heat off of yourself
Huh?
Evil Quaaman goin crazy rn
they dont like fusing but they wouldnt think about it twice against frieza
6:30 there is a martial art skill called parallel thought. They can just use that skill in the ULTRA form.
It could be possible we get a new form from it instead of them flat out combining, which takes properties of both ui and ue, and in some cases creates a drawback from it due to the dual natures of said forms. But this new form wud be what people said ui was originally supposed to be, offensively attacking, defensively fast reaction speed. So a form where the user has fast attacks and fast avoidance, but when hit, it makes the user stronger and thus increases pure improvement sort of like hit.
Im archiving this video in case it ages badly and ultra Vegerot happens or something
This comment has hater energy but im leaving it cause I find it funny
Lol we'll see
I would say it doesn’t give Vegeta the win. He aided in the fusion but we’re forgetting an important factor. He’s a new individual being. He’s not Goku, he’s not Vegeta. He’s his own person.
One thing more OP than this would be UI gogeta fusing with UE vegito 😂 using time travel or super dragon balls of course.
If Beerus has an unmastered ui and he's a destroyer then goku and Vegeta can do it too with fusion
that doesn't mean beerus uses it both at the same time, yeah you can learn both but using it together is a whole different thing
Freezer can continue being the Emperor of the universe without messing with the Saiyans, and Goku and the others will leave him be for as long as they don't cross paths. I just don't see them fighting to death.
Not with that attitude, it won't!
I never got any of those messages but thanks for the heads up. As for the fusion, if Dragon Ball ever goes that way, they will just have them unfuse at last moment like usual before finish of Frieza.
I would love see Whis and Beerus fusion or potara to face stronger enemy or sparring partner with heroes same ways
I think even if we don’t see it in canon it’s most definitely going to appear in heroes.
Even if goku and vegeta fused via the potara in ultra ego and ultra instinct the fused character would revert to vegeto in base form.
Ultra Fusion!
Dragon Ball’s what if ultra technique transformation that is on par with the Naruto’s what if combo form of Sage Mode and the Eight Gates! I mean they’re pretty similar in concept and what can I say? Calm mind and ultimate power amp technique transformations are just so damn cool! 🤩
After SS2 comes SS3, but SSR happened.
Ultimate was the full power of all of your potential, yet Orange and Beast happened.
Blue was SS using SSG, yet SSGSSE happened.
I wish Super was consistent at least with worldbuilding but I guess removing powerlevels came with paying in iq levels. Of course there's a chance. I wish they would not do it...
Yeah with a fusion like that, if you don't he's gonna whoop you're ass. If you do hit him, he's gonna whoop your ass. It's a lose lose situation for the opponent lol
Except Zeno.
Bro just questioned all of arj's Ultra Vegito story 😂
Feel free to explain? I don't know or have heard of him
ARJ has made an incredible, long-running manga about Ultra Vegito (the god killer), the said fusion, combining Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego
I think he has nearly 1M subs by now
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I think a merged ultra form wouldn't be possible - precisely because they're polar opposites and the mindset required to enter one completely precludes the other. Vegeta is predisposed to Ultra Ego while Goku is predisposed to Ultra Instinct (although he still prefers using a form that lets him use emotions to his benefit, making his UI imperfect by design, but never mind that).
The thing is, Vegito is an amalgamation of Goku and Vegeta's traits, and in cases where these traits are opposite of each other, they offset and cancel each other out. He can't be both as self-indulgent as Vegeta and as collected as Goku, because these traits necessarily cancel each other out. For that reason Vegito could probably enter neither form. It's conceivable that, if he stayed fused for years, he could conceivably maybe work his way towards learning one of these forms, but it would come with great difficulty and is not a realistic scenario due to the brevity of the fusion anyway
Okay, hear me out.
The most practical result is Vegito having no physical change, but having the principle of Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego fused on a level where they can co-exist. Possibly TUI and Ultra Ego Omen? Just throwing some ideas out here for anyone to read.
i do think that gogeta/vegito will fight frieza. either that or it’ll just be a group fight with goku, broly, vegeta, gohan, piccolo, and granolah all fighting frieza (and hopefully vegeta hakai’ing frieza)
I'd say it would unlock another avenue of power that neither Goku or Vegeta would consider. I mean, the forms are as distinct as Goku & Vegeta themselves.
So basically, they'd turn some whole other color as Ultra Vegeta, rather than being white/purple, or some kind of pink or something.
I think that the fusion would be in UI most of the time but would switch over to use whenever they're about to take DMG.
Man just imagine how broken it would be though. Ultra Instinct dodges and counters perfectly, and on the off chance you get a real good hit on him, he just gets faster and stronger through Ultra Ego. There’s literally no winning against that unless you’re actually just God.
Zeno
@@QaamansLand I did say God
@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 Angels
@@QaamansLand Fair enough
It only won't work until the writer says it can.
I think the only way I would work is by using Ultra Ego’s destructive energy as a shield, or MUI allows for attacks to land in order to strengthen its counter strike. Plus, we do know that Goku is training to have MUI akin to his True UI, as in he doesn’t have to be emotionless like he currently is with his MUI. On top of that, Vegeta himself states that the Ultra Ego that he’s shown, still isn’t the final state, which leaves room for the potential of a fusion of said forms in the future after mastery. Buuut, knowing these two Saiyans, they most likely wouldn’t fuse at all after mastery of their respective forms, unless they went against someone on the same level as like the Grand Priest or something.
They will if the writers want them to work. I think now more than ever. If it looks cool, logic be dammed.
exactly.. like db hasn't ignored logic before
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who else thought he was talking about Ultra Fusion from Dragon Ball Fusions
Explain. I don't play Fusions.
@@QaamansLand it's a method of fusion where 5 people fuse into 1 being; it was invented by the Ginyu Force and is *_insanely_* powerful. When the player, kid Goku, Pan, Goten and Trunks did it, it was stated to still not be as strong as Beerus. It became stronger than him by absorbing a Super Genkidama. It only lasts 20 seconds
Where do you get the idea that they dont have a power level anymore?
Get the super dragon to sustain the potara fusion 😂. Then wish to separate after the fight
I made a name for the fused ultra
Egotistical Instinct
Which my last video
Where does Beast Gohan fit into any of this?
Wow, I never thought of it like that...
Reminds me of what Piccolo told the boys while practicing Fusion; "You have to think the same though...breathe in the same rhythm..."
U.E. has Vegeta acting more like a primitive monkey by being aggressive, but U.I. has Goku being more calm and tranquil.
Hmmm, we do know the writing for Dragon Ball is more inconsistent than the power scaling system and Fusions are written be as powerful or capable of ridiculous feats depending on the scenario so if the writer(s) wants U.I. & U.E. to blend then it will happen; most likely in Super Dragon Ball Heroes before anything else!
Bro is just going to look like adult Z Gotenks 😭
Goku in UI tryna fuse but dodges Vegetas finger 😂
I have a personal belief that the fusion dance isn’t dictated by who’s stronger and weaker, yes you have to have equal power levels to PERFORM the fusion but it still fuses both people in their entirety. I personally believe the fusion uses all the power.
But qaaman, what if i want to be scammed
If we somehow get an ultra fusion in dbl (ultra instinct and ultra ego) then…Ima use my strongest units with ultra Vegito blue
What if they have it where because they're using the techniques of the angels the Potara actually lets them stay fused as long as they want. No convenient defusion like always. But Vegito actually gets pushed. That would be sick. Fusions have always be a no contest battle. When Goku and Vegeta perfect there forms more I think fusion will work better then ever before either the dance or Potara. A perfect Ying and Yang.
Theoretically, their fused form should revert back to its base form, with the different mindsets being incompatible. Or they'd defuse rather quickly, because the power is too much. Blue Vegito didn't last long, either.
Funny enough the fusion probably would just switch between them when taking damage/ evading. But most likely wouldnt be able to do either as the mind of the fusion would be "conflicted"
Beerus, someone who is constantly in UE, did briefly use UI Omen in the GoD exhibition, so it is possible to use both.
But Beerus hasn't mastered it
@@Mandalore_ultimate he could still use both simultaneously, even if 1 wasn’t fully mastered.
If it was possible it could only be done with the dance because of the time limit of the ear rings as the more powerful less time so ultra ego and instinct would instantly split apart, unless spirit control evolved into something like together so last longer, just have a shed load of earrings and keep putting them on and putting them on and putting them on over and over again well he would definitely be fast enough super god ego instinct speed, and if the dance or earrings they would be able to instantly switch from ue or ui like over and over again so fast that one second his hair and arua mixing from silver and purple, or swap pro around like ui at back of hair ue and features at front or hair and face eyebrows, and the other way around, can do it lots of way around
Honestly, The Fusion would be cool as hell. But ultimately this Fusion makes no sense of how it would work at all.
What would the personality even be? 😂
@@Mandalore_ultimate Good Question.
They have to choose one, Gokus body Vegetas Technique Vegetas body, Gokus technique
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He can use the ultra instinct technique with ultra ego
hope the streams pick back up again soon @qaaman
I'm sure both will work god ki shouldn't change anything since it drained the fusion just like the regular forms do.
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It could work if they use the super dragon balls to make it work somehow 😂
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If you really want to see a good interpretation of an ultra fusion, the idea was done pretty well in the Ultra Vegito Godkiller fan manga. But beyond that, I do kind of agree that they would probably have a lot of trouble trying to use both forms together if they did manage it somehow.
Also, the problems with those fusions isn't the mental states. It's how much power they use. We saw SSBlue Vegito defuse after five minutes. We saw SS4 Gogeta in DBGT defuse after 10 minutes (I know it's not canon, but it still worked similarly to how it works in canon). SSGotenks defuses early from SS3. So imagine how much power an Ego/Instinct fusion would use. They would probably defuse within two minutes.
I hope this happens next arc.
I hope Ultra fusion beats Frieza down profusely, and Vegeta will take over in a way, the fusion is half of Vegeta’s thoughts and his thoughts are more overpowering and important than the Goku side of it. So he will scold Frieza and taunt him, getting his revenge after all this time. And the fusion will use a Hakai Final Flash or something to erase Frieza.
The Vegeta part 75% of fusion beats Frieza.
8:57 you kno damn well that’s not satisfying 😂😂
They both contradict each other but if buu absorbed them and made two different clones they could use the forms
WHAT ABOUT GOHAN AND GOKU FUSION?
if it prints money which it would it'll become a reality. its just a matter of time
But what about The Godkiller Ultra Vegito
Cringe
@@FearfulDivinecope
I know this isn't canon but I really want to put it out there anyway. Whis is always in UI state and Beerus is a destroyer god and yet in dragonball fusions, (the DS game) there was an official design of both beings combined though the metamoran fusion. It's a shot in the dark but who's to say if both Whis and beerus somehow know a way to synchronize both states of being.
Either way I can definitely see them pulling this off in heroes no doubt.
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Umm quaman I think blue doesn’t use regular Ki either and they still fused
They fused in their base forms and then transformed. Maybe I should have kept that in the video
I don't think the opposing mindsets would allow for the fusion dance, the potara maybe, but that is still questionable. Eitger way the fusion would last, what, 1 minute tops? If somehow it were successful, and they could sustain it, it would be seriously OP. Especially considerinfg all the skills and techniques the two fighters recently aquired. Possibility Whis level or higher. (likely not Zeno though)
I paused for 30seconds to re explain it to myself TLDW ultra instinct is the lack of emotions ultra ego is the zenith of emotions (my understanding) so they can’t fuse because you can’t have the lest and most emotions simultaneously
Ideally, a fusion wouldn't combine the two, but would be able to switch between each form as easily as flicking a switch on and off. Beerus is stated to be able to use a very crude and basic form of UI, people with the "Destruction Mindset" are fully capable of UI's calm and reflex-based mindset. So Vegito/Gogeta uses UI to dodge incoming attacks, then switches to UE to deal more powerful attacks. Like in the Goku Black arc in the manga, where they used God, then transformed into blue for short periods.
An alternate route for the "Ultra Fusion" could be a UI's evasiveness and defenses, and having access to the raw destructive power rather than switching constantly between forms. Or the opposite, Having UI's reflexes being built into UE passively, eliminating the need to switch between the two. I don't think this would be necessary, as a UI Vegito/UE Gogeta or vice versa would be more than enough to demolish an opponent. But if the need to alternate between form arose thats probably how it'd happen.
If a fusion is to fight Frieza, I feel like the fusion should do the majority of the damage, then be defused, as Frieza is weakened, Vegeta should be the one to have a 1 on 1 and finish him off, finally getting the kill. Goku should ideally be knocked out by Frieza. With this scenario 1) Frieza gets a satisfactory decisive blow on Goku, something he hasn't done as he's never defeated Goku, and 2) Vegeta gets the killing blow, like he has deserved for ages.
nah, if current goku and vegeta fused it wouldnt work, both potara and fusion dance fusion can only hold a limited amount of power, vegito defused against his will in the zamasu arc cuz he used too much power, if any potara fusion were to use an amount of power equal to or greater then vegitos final kamehameha in the zamasu arc the fusion would instantly defuse.
if they did fusion dance its likely that the same limit would activate and defuse them, we know for a fact that fusion dances time can be shortended by using too much power, and while we havent seen a metamorainian fusion defuse from too much power outside of gt its likely that it would happen.
I've seen the Ultra fusion concept many times before. Even being used in fan mangas. It's a sick looking fusion of two transformations. I even think it looks awesome how Gogeta could have mostly white hair with purple sides and/or Vegito could have mostly purple hair with white on the sides.
But I feel like it won't work because the users are using 2 completely different mindsets of their transformation/techniques. Like, Goku has to have a similar mindset to an angel, keeping his mind and heart calm on the fight (to a degree) and let his bod do the fight. While Vegeta keeps his mind focused on destruction, destroying/beating the opponent he's facing, while taking whatever attack the lands on him and then growing stronger from it.
I know in DBS Heroes, Gogeta used ssb Evolution and MUI at the same time but that's because that's the point of Heroes 😅. They're gonna making forms like that to sell toys. Canonically, I feel like Gogeta and/or Vegito would only focus on one Ultra form alone
Gogeta never used UI in SDBH he only used ssbe. the reason why his ssbe looks different is just a visual choice and to make money nothing more
@@darnell1838 lol really? The ki aura is all white like. Plus he wasn't as buff as BE Vegeta was. Not to mention the hair wasn't as spikey lol
So inconsistent but like ya said, it's just there to make money
also the fusion is gonna last like 2 seconds so if they do fuse again its most likely gonna be ssbekk or just 1 ultra form
@@VegitoBetter you know what's weird about the fusion time limit? It's sooooooo inconsistent.
Ssj3 Gotenks run outta time against buu. Vegito Blue did against Zamasu, Ssj4 Gogeto against Omega Shenron, etc. I wanna say, besides the time limit, it's gonna be a power drainer especially when you go all out.
But then you have cases Gogeta Blue against Broly, especially ssj2 Kefla against Goku and even back to ssj3 Gotenks vs Copy Vegeta. Disregarding Gogeta Blue, they were definitely going all out.
I know it's probably just a plot related thing 😅 but I feel that both Gogeta Blue and Ssj4 Gogeta are clear examples of the fusion time limit being inconsistent
@taecampus YES EXACTLY the fusion time limit is so inconsistent like kefla should've defused instantly when she used that energy wave thingy because it's literally draining all her energy💀 the same with gogeta blue he should've defused when he did that explosion thing on broly🤦🏿 and yes your right it's plot related