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To get "flat" frequency on power limited card, you simply need to undervolt the card (with "strix card frequency being the target). With low enough vGPU, power limit stops being an issue. At this point, the only question is how good is GPU die quality of your Dell card ?
tech reviewers became a joke. they are basically shills now making ads for overpriced x3-4 times ngreedia/ayyymd crap. corporations set prices for freaking stupid GAMING devices like its money printing machines... and reviewers stay silent about that. either reviewers are shills now or stupid AF if they don't notice whats going on. tech reviewers DEFINITELY SHOULD CRY MORE, to the point of ignoring products reviews and making videos about HOW MUCH OVERPRICED IT IS instead of doing tests.... khhm, I mean ADS for overpriced AF GPUs. talk about the fact that all these cards are irrelevant as they are overpriced x3-4 times, and e.g. actually the 4070 is a xx50ti class card. and shoud be priced accordingly below $200, as xx50ti cards were priced pre-mining. tech reviewers must talk about the fact that a true xx70 card is the 4080 16GB, 30% less performance than a top card (the 4090) is what xx70 cards were all about. talk about the fact that xx70 GPUs cost around 300 bucks in 2016 pre-mining. remind people that no one in 2016 considered ngreedia GPUs cheap, so even if they get to pre-mining prices they still actually would not be cheap. it'd just be way more justified pricing than what we have now. and don't forget to mention that 1080p is extreme budget in 2023, we aren't in 2016 anymore, with current monitor prices 1440p is the new norm. talk about the fact that any 1080p GPUs must be considered extreme budget and be priced around 100-150 bucks. just like 1080p monitors they are only suitable for. e.g. the 4070 is DEFINITELY an entry-level below $200 xx50Ti class card. talk about that a 4090 die 608mm2 costs 300 bucks MAX to make according to wafer calcs and 2 y.o. TSMC prices per wafer, its more like 200-250 bucks now. a 4080 die 379mm2 costs 150 bucks MAX. and ngreedia is trying to sell 60-class cut down silicon 295mm2 that worth around 50 bucks as 4070ti for 800 bucks with 12gb VRAM, they even tried to sell it like 80-class silicon for 900 bucks at first. and its on OVERPRICED AF TOP TSMC NODES. you easily can release 4070/ti/4060/ti tech on WAY CHEAPER NODES. yep, it would eat a bit more power. and those dies would cost not 50 bucks from TSMC (which is by itself should allow to sell 4070ti for 200 bucks) but like 10 bucks to make. so 4070ti literally is possible and would be VERY profitable for 200 bucks. but we are dealing with ngreedia here milking the market. same as ayyyymd and intool. ALL TECH TUBERS DEFINITELY SHOULD CRY MORE. as is "tech reviewers" ACTUALLY ARE NGREEDIA/AMD SHILLS who normalize overpriced x3-4 time GPUs by ignoring HOW MUCH it all overpriced and not crying about it all the time. YES. YOU - TECH TUBERS. ARE. SHILLS. whether you realize that or not. period.
all tech tubers at this point are just like you - useless to gamers joke of a "reviewer" who KILL PC GAMING because game devs are forced to make games for AFFORDABLE hardware and nobody makes games for overpriced AF hardware that nobody can afford. if you bought 4000 ngreedia card you've swindled yourself because your overpriced AF PC is useless for gaming (way too redundant if you will) and will be useless until its level of performance gets to way more affordable price. like 5 times cheaper. which with "tech tubers" advertising-normalizing-promoting overpriced AF crap hardware won't happen soon. all tech tubers are "constantly complaining about the prices of GPUs", there's a catch though - they all say stupid shit like "it must be 25 -50-100 bucks cheaper" BUT GPUs ARE OVERPRICED X3-4 TIMES! overprice is NOT 100, not even 200 bucks. its literally 3-4 TIMES! GTX 980 Ti Die Size 601 mm2 2015 Launch Price 650USD GTX 980 Die Size 398 mm2 15% slower 550 USD GTX 970 Die Size 398 mm2 30% slower 330 USD RTX 4090 Die Size 609 mm2 Launch Price 1600 USD RTX 4080 Die Size 379 mm2 30% slower 1200 USD. its a xx70 card. RTX 4090 must cost 600 bucks, its OVERPRICED 1000 DOLLARS. RTX 4080 must cost 300 bucks, its OVERPRICED 900 DOLLARS. 600 & 300 bucks are normal prices for such devices because TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS, mf-er, ever heard of it? yeah, ngreedia can sell 4 times less GPUs for 4 times more money each and get the same profits, yet gamers will have 4 times less new faster GPUs and game devs don't make games for overpriced AF hardware, game devs make games for hardware that MOST people can afford to have a player base to sell games to. +most new GPUs have like 0 progress = thats how ngreedia is killing PC gaming with its overpriced x4 times crap. when you buy a top overpriced AF GPU there will be minimal amount of games that actually need such GPUs. and most new "hard to run" games actually is boring AF crap with bad gameplay and stupid storylines. and YOU SUPPORT GREEDY AF CORPORATIONS AND DEATH OF PC GAMING through overprice. and ayyymd isn't better - supporting overprice to sell more obsolete cheap-to-make high-margin ps5/xbox chips to sony/ms. ayyymd supports ngreedia overprice to push PC gamers buy crap consoles. and both corporations are making profits of slowing down technological progress. no progress = no price drops. people really should ONLY get used GPUs and don't feed GREEDY AF corporations at this point. and "tech tubers" are a sad joke with fish memory because they never seem to remember pre-mining prices, which is 2015, always comparing TO MINING PRICES WHEN GPUs LITERALLY WERE MONEY PRINTING MACHINES. THEY aren't anymore. GPUs are JUST GAMING DEVICES and MUST BE priced accordingly as such, 500-600 bucks MUST BE TOP GPU PRICES, xx70 class cards like "the 4080" MUST BE around 300 bucks just like pre-mining when NOBODY EVEN CONSIDERED THAT CHEAP.
@@Blackwing2345635 this has also been true for downdraft cpu coolers. It helped keep components around the cpu cool, even if the cpu runs hotter than it would on a tower cooler.
I haven't seen such clean construction and ease of taking apart GPU in quite a while. As much as I hate Dell for their "proprietary" shenanigans, I must admit I respect this design. That's a nicely put together board with no unnecessary complexity. I guess you could flash an o/c bios on it without issues and push that power limit to 120%.
@@nhancao4790 They need to steal some from the GPU and Power Supply department and move them to the Alienware "Prebuilt Gaming PC" department. I seriously doubt their plastic covered old case and proprietary motherboard shenanigans are saving them money once warranty issues and required discounts and lost of sales due to sh!t designs are factored in. Just go back to a simple logical acceptable quality design like this GPU. They wouldn't need to spend so much in ads pushing their gamer systems to the uninformed if they just made better systems.
I think its being mentioned several times that Dell have a lot of engineering competency that somehow got directed into making proprietary shenanigans. Which while impressive is a huge waste of talents and technical capabilities Dell have. Thankfully, they seemed to have done things properly here
@@ariavachier-lagravech.6910 Imagine if they actually started FROM SCRATCH and designed a small formfactor gaming PC with very good cooling. I wouldn't even mind a propriety motherboard and PSU if they were actually GOOD designs (to allow for a small gaming PC). But once they get to a certain size, they need to use standardized parts. There are way too many well priced competitors that sell acceptable quality PCs with regular parts for Dell to keep pulling this crap. Skytech Gaming, ABS, etc.
Dell 3080's and 3090's are good, and now the 4090. Good to see because used ones are usually the cheapest because most people don't know that they're good. I bought a used dell 3080 last october 2022 for cheap and just traded it plus $1000 for a used 4090. That dell 3080 served me well for a year.
Exactly. They're definitely undervalued a lot of the time. Not sure what pricing will be like on this one, but saw some "cheap" listings on second hand sites!
I got a RTX 3070 from Dell and the only critcism I have is that it has a rear metal backplate that doesn't have thermal pads to make contact with the back of the PCB. Otherwise, the fact that it has a rear metal backplate compared to various other system integrators is a nice detail.
What drew my eye to this card by far though was how relatively slim it is. You got ALL these manufacturers making these hulking monstrosities, and here, we have Dell making a cooler that's actually kinda close to being a two-slotter. That's really impressive and something to be praised. Two-slot cards should be the norm, not the exception.
Cleary, the people making their GPUs are not the same people making their Systems. They definitely need to cross pollinate some of their Component employees into their prebuilt division.
I bought an Alienware using mostly Dell rewards I had stacked up a few years ago for the sole purpose of pulling the 3080 and using it in my personal build back when it was virtually impossible to get one other than paying scalper pricing. I was impressed with the card. Small, quiet and ran cool enough considering it had no OC options. I did add some thermal pads to the cold plate to make contact with the vram chips which helped bring those temps down a good 8C
I'am using a Dell RTX 3080 for about couple years. People are hating it but the temperatures are good even compared to the more expensive models, so I'am happy with it.
Yeah I had a Dell RTX 3070 and it stayed very cool. If not for the limited 8GB of VRAM (which is Nvidia's fault rather than Dell's), I'd still be using it. By comparison, the Gigabyte RX 6800 I replaced it with runs louder and hotter.
@@ArtisChronicles Yeah, dell does not make the card. They are made by MSI. You can tell from the product code at the pcie connector. In this video the code is MS V510 which is MSI Gaming X Trio 4090. Dell rtx 3080/90 are MSI Ventus.
The GN's reviews are getting more and more thorough and professional with each new video. The quality increase is really visible. Thank you for another great review. Keep up the great work guys!
After the Army- I bought a dream machine. An Alienware Area 51 ALX. It was so heavy, so absurd, with moving vents. It was like turning on a space ship, all to max out that Windows Performance score. I remember swinging the side vault open and was wired for 6! hard drives. I bought a ton of 1TB drives and that was my first intro to SSD's and SLI. I don't think any tech will compete to that unboxing, despite us now having 24TB drives, 4090's, etc.
I genuinely have purchased quite a few Dell GPUs second hand. (The most powerful GPU one could reasonably fit in the old 2012 Mac Pro was the 2-slot Dell 6800XT.). I’ve also been genuinely impressed with them.
Thanks for blocking off the flow through area as a test, that recent design choice really does work. I figured it was better and now there are numbers to back that up.
It's always really awkward when a bulk OEM like Dell makes an actually really good high-end card. Because it's Dell, you know this was also the cheapest way to get it done, which makes the fact others aren't doing it that much harder to excuse.
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The marking can be seen on the Pcie slot. This is MS-V510 VER. 4.0, so it is an OEM MSI card. The MSI gaming x trio is marked as V510-006R. That's why it's a decent card.
I really like the design of Dell's graphics cards. It's about as simple and utilitarian as it gets, which I appreciate in an era of over the top "gamer" designs and RGB insanity.
I have this GPU that I bought from a friend. He got it from an Alienware prebuilt and he traded me for a 4070ti ROG strix with some money on top since he didn’t need the extra power. Kinda cool to have a non marked card that’s smaller than a 4070ti
Hi, so did you use the Alienware gpu in a non Alienware pc? I’m thinking of using an r16 gpu in a new build, but I wasn’t sure if this would work? Does the gpu only work with Dell motherboards? Thanks
@ nope the GPU works with anything compatible. It’s not the prettiest GPU but it’s just as powerful. I’d recommend undervolting it so it doesn’t hit that 400 watt range for longevity purposes
The ducts along the bottom edge of the fan shroud (@ 5:54) direct exhausted air towards the PCB side of the card, away from the 3 intake fans to prevent them from drawing in this warmed air.
It would be nice if Dell could make most of their products to the same quality standards. I have a Dell Inspiron i7559-763BLK I got in 2016 and it is very well designed, the bottom cover to get to all the replaceable components (including the battery) is ONE panel with ONE captive screw. It was also very well priced at the time, $800 for a 15" i5-6300HQ Processor up to 3.2GHz, 8GB DDR3, 256GB SATA M.2, GTX 960M
I had the rev after yours and while the one captive screw is nice, if the plastic clips that hold those plates break, which they do quite easily, good luck on keeping that panel closed. The battery is indeed easily replaceable which is great because I had to replace the battery 3 times within 5 years, the first time after only a year and a half. The plastic all around the laptop liked to break rather easily and I had issues with the rear vent plastic breaking rather badly. I have since upgraded to an older alienware 15 r2 with an i7 6820hk and a gtx 980m. That laptop is far superior except for the speakers being arse and the built in wifi being garbage.
I noticed when you were installing a screw, you turn backwards until you find the thread and then screw it in. That is what I always do as well. A great technique so as not to cross thread a screw.
I'm glad they are using the shorter pcb, I had to get mine repaired due to the memory solder cracking from board flex. MOUNT VERTICAL OR USE A SUPPORT!
when i think of dell generally speaking i do think of like “engineered” products even if the engineering is normally for the worse. sometimes it works out.
@@Navi_xoo dell as a corporate entity probably has little to do with it but dell the company definitely makes it and it’s probably pretty cost effective too, if they didn’t make it themselves that would cost even more money over what nvidia is already charging for the core
Still using the power supply, RAM, CPU, AIO, and a fan from someone's R10 they sold me cheap (to get their 2080 during COVID). A $50 z-390 from ebay, $40 in 140mm fans, and a new Y60 case and I have a good enough machine to wait for an "9800X3D" or "15900K" rebuild.
Maybe a suggestion, when mentioning and showing previews of previous video, maybe add an date to it. Probably just a month and year is good enough. I struggled to remember how many years it was since your first Dell Alienware prebuilt video, so having that shown instead of having to look it up can be useful especially on a long stretched out "series" on a certain topic that spans for several years. Edit: One link to the video is in the pinned comments but not the others
I have a real love/hate relationship with Dell. Their business hardware (Latitudes, Precisions, Optiplexes, PowerEdges) can be found for cheap en masse from government/corporate auctions; they’re super easy to service and are built to last. As for their consumer hardware… a broken clock is still right twice a day, right?
I have a Dell 3080 Ti and 3090. Both have been working really well for over 2 years now. The amount of "crap" I get whenever I make a comment about using OEM GPUs are baffling - you get similar performance, decent cooling and no fancy extras + for the overall system build, it is not overpriced like AIBs.
I'm quite happy to see this. Where I work is contracted with Dell, and a few of us are getting new machines to take advantage of machine learning capabilities. They're coming with 13900K's and 4090's. Was worried with Dell's typical track record they'd be knee-capped to hell and back. Good to know they're at least decent.
Has anyone encountered the problem of black screen on Alienware Aurora R15? The graphics card is the DELL RTX 4090 version. For example, when I am listening to music or browsing streaming videos, the screen goes black but the music is still playing. I have observed that when the monitor screen is black, the word GEFORCE on the white LED of the 4090 graphics card is dark. I think it is a problem with the graphics card overheating.
I actually love the oldschool design on the DEll 4090, looks really nice. Just plain and simple. No weird angles, falshy colors or useless plastic stuff to make it look like a cheap Powerrangers knockoff from 1980.
It should be noted that those 'Warranty void if removed' stickers are really only useless in the US. Outside of the US, it depends on the country and what consumer protections they have in place when it comes to warranties. So I wouldn't be surprised if the sticker is only missing on the US version of the 4090, it's possible on international versions that the sticker is present.
I've snagged a couple Dell OEM GPUs off Ebay over the years and I have always liked them. They did really nice work on the Pascal era cards. Dell consumer grade cases and motherboards are some of the worst junk anyone is making, it's a shame they never seem to try in that area.
I feel people here are forgetting that because of people like Gamers Nexus, Corporate Dell took notice. If it wasn't for large techtubers influencing the industry most of the products would be worse.
Have you ever considered making a video about M.2 drives and cooling them, what works, what doesn't, heatsink height concerns etc. I built a PC with the for the first time this march and I was really surprised how hot they can get even with good airflow front to back of the case. Looks like heatsinks are a must if you don't want them to throttle. There is also a problem of SSD manufacturers or MB manufacturers (whose responsibility is it?) not including stuff like screws to install them properly.
Steve has mentioned in previous Alienware episodes that Dell keeps an incredible team of talented engineers chained up in their basement and working on keeping their ancient case tooling alive (I'm paraphrasing, of course, but the sentiment should be accurate). Not surprised that those engineers are 2/2 with graphics cards. _Thanks, Steve!_
Not too surprised. Dell has usually done pretty good with video cards in general. I've also appreciated some of the things they've done for air flow control in the past. It's mostly when they try to make something look cool they screw it all up. They should take some cues from Fractal Design on that front.
i bought a Dell RTX3090 to fit a small form factor case, and it was amazing, performance and temps were great even in a case with terrible airflow, they are definitely not the best looking cards, but GPUs and monitors are pretty much the only thing Dell still makes well
I think that the reason for the fluctuation in the Frequency, and the lack of OC might be down to the exclusion of the mosfet-choke combos where those are to clean/regulate the voltage stepping outside of OC if the voltage doesn't need to be tightly constrained for standard operating levels then adding more would be "wasting money" so Dell can save a few cents per card on Mosfet-Choke combos, and the only user "drawback" is not allowing for OC support in the vBios. as a result of not including the Mostet-Choke combo you get a wider fluctuation in the core frequency.
I like how easy it seems to be to take apart vs the Founders cards or partner cards who really do make it difficult to take the cards apart just for a service of new paste etc.
Okay, now for more science: What about doing a thermal pad and thermal paste replacement to sort of match the (most likely) higher quality pads and paste from the strix model?
This! I know they are already doing so much but I want to see things taken to the max and really trimmed and geared out. Flashy a different bios on it, and see what it can do! I realize its likely they dont have the time to produce all of that
Honestly, it doesn't need it. These temperatures are all already under 80C (except GPU hotspot which is still great) at under 2000 rpm, which is a massive improvement over most last-gen 3090's where 95C+ memory hotspot temperatures were common across AIB's.
If I had to guess, I'd say that the bottom was designed in such a way as to keep heat away from the back of the motherboard.Some motherboards, including mine, have a chipset and/or m.2 drives somewhere towards the back. by blocking the front part off, that keeps heat from radiating over crucial components.
Scored this card on Marketplace for $1100 about 4 months ago. Great card! Pretty compact for a 4090. Love it's black muted aesthetic. Very silent compared to my old FE 980.
As someone who has worked in the enterprise space and I've dealth with Dell's PowerEdge and PowerVault lines of server gear, I can say, without a doubt, that their server division has some top-notch engineers. Their server stuff is top quality and has been for years (multiple differrent component types have much lower failure rates than HPE for example). Regarding the proprietary shenanigs, it's weird - on the server side they are MUCH better. Their whole system log is free and easy to read, the HPE one is encrypted and requires a support contract and only HPE can read it. Same with firmware and driver updates - HPE locks the latest versions behind support contracts, while Dell doesn't - they are free, forever. With all the strange Alienware stuff, I can tell you one thing - it's clear that Dell's server engineers were not very involved, otherwise it wouldn't be like this...
*Agreed. Unfortunately most of the folks on here have never, probably will never experience the sheer power and build quality of Dell's Enterprise-grade workstation offerings. Having worked at both Boeing, a Dell house and Raytheon, an H/P house; your observations are spot-on. H/P's "client as a hostage" behaviours are the sign of a terrified enterprise. Cheers!*
"Warranty void if removed" stickers are only un-enforceable if the FTC actually does their job. The manufacturer can and does enforce them, because they know there's no recourse. Zotac and AsRock are both enforcing their tamper seals, because the FTC lets them get away with it and any lawsuit brought against them will QUICKLY get buried in red tape. These manufacturers know that any attempt to fight them will take years and instantly become more expensive than a replacement card
I feel like the size of the fans for the Dell card are why it didn't do as well as it could. They're a bit smaller than the Strix which would effect the cooling like it does.
I’m surprised by how good that overall design is vs my Dell 3080, significantly improved, I’d buy one if it had a higher power budget and you could get one standalone. The no warranty void stickers counts for a lot. My Dell 3080 core clock fluctuates like that too, not as bad on water.
I love vendors design TBH. Like, the small rail like retainers prevent bent or dislocated from slots (which is actually a part of PCI standard) but almost every DIY PC part markets don't even care about such small details. So make people buy aftermarket retainers or such.
At my work we recently picked up a Dell XPS 8960. It has this same RTX 4090 in it. Under full load the coil whine is absolutely crazy. As in much louder than the fans even... I'm assuming you guys did not run into this same issue since in the conclusion you said the acoustics weren't too bad?
@@GamersNexus Interesting.. I wonder if we got a version of the board where they cut down on the power circuitry trying to save a few cents. I am using it to create a ML model to try to forecast wildfires in Alaska. Given the use case, it's on and under load for very long periods of time. It was so bad that I had to move it out of my office and into a closet 🤣
Having the shroud on the back guide the air down like that allows for higher air speeds across the motherboard and reduces turbulance from top to bottom of the card
Same here, If Dell wants to lock voltage on these gpu's the best thing I have been doing with my 3090 is undervolting to get higher frequency and lower temp/vram temps too. the stock frequency is about 1920 mhz, Im gaming the 3090 at 1980-2010 stable frequency and under 70c. It's the only way around the lock voltage cage tyhey do.
Problem is people will overclock when when it crashes blame hardware maker. Preventing overclocking makes systems less likely to have issues. Support costs and many customers have no clue how to T-shoot doing stupid stuff.
I worked at the Dell EMC factory as employee tech support in Ireland Full access to the factory floor. Lots and lots of Foxconn cardboard boxes around. Dell wouldn't know how to build a server if their life depended on it. EMC, now that's where the real brains are.
love your channel. nobody gives as comprehensive a look at all areas of whatever it is you're reviewing at the time. Always love seeing the look of amusement on your face at things that make no sense. As always I'll be looking forward to your next video. Your Dell analysis is always very enlightening. Thank you.
I don't know why I enjoy watching Steve disassemble yet another Gpu but I do. 😊 Quick follow up question, why is Steve always wearing shirts you can't get on the gn store? Really only 'rgb" glitch version, so much cooler in B&W. :)
*Agreed. Dell focuses their engineering talent where the margins are the highest. Workstations built for LTC clients like Boeing are superb, go 24/7/365 without failures. The same can be said for hp W/S products for L-M and Raytheon. Like the racers say: "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?"*
This is probably the cheapest 4090 PCB out there. 14x50A phases with all aluminum electrolyte caps for filtering. Both the caps and the chokes are through-hole soldered, which is easier for replacement, but slightly lowers the signal stability. There are some mid-grade 4080s with better VRM than this.
They have good engineers. Shame the marketing team tends to beat them up towards poor design choices for looks...Dell did something nice with that card!
I came across a Dell 2070 Super that ran a total of a zero dollar cost to me. Quite happy with it. The temps are not too bad while gaming, and even messing around with NVENC in Handbrake.
Interesting the power target can't be increased. I have a Dell RTX 2080ti that I was surprised to see was labeled TU102-300A-K1-A1 vs TU102-300-K1-A1 (apparently the A means it's a binned chip). I know this is 2 generations ago but still.
Those airflow bockers at the side of the card closest to the motherboard is actually purposeful and great. Instead of blowing hot air onto the motherboard where the power delivery/vrms ram and cpu are adding more eheat to that area it outs it away from it.
It would be interesting to see how the card would perform with the recently released tool that allow for bios flashing regardless of card manufacturer for the 3000,4000 series cards. Flash it with a bios with overclocking enabled and perhaps a higher power target.
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To get "flat" frequency on power limited card, you simply need to undervolt the card (with "strix card frequency being the target).
With low enough vGPU, power limit stops being an issue. At this point, the only question is how good is GPU die quality of your Dell card ?
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tech reviewers became a joke. they are basically shills now making ads for overpriced x3-4 times ngreedia/ayyymd crap.
corporations set prices for freaking stupid GAMING devices like its money printing machines... and reviewers stay silent about that. either reviewers are shills now or stupid AF if they don't notice whats going on.
tech reviewers DEFINITELY SHOULD CRY MORE, to the point of ignoring products reviews and making videos about HOW MUCH OVERPRICED IT IS instead of doing tests.... khhm, I mean ADS for overpriced AF GPUs.
talk about the fact that all these cards are irrelevant as they are overpriced x3-4 times, and e.g. actually the 4070 is a xx50ti class card. and shoud be priced accordingly below $200, as xx50ti cards were priced pre-mining.
tech reviewers must talk about the fact that a true xx70 card is the 4080 16GB, 30% less performance than a top card (the 4090) is what xx70 cards were all about. talk about the fact that xx70 GPUs cost around 300 bucks in 2016 pre-mining.
remind people that no one in 2016 considered ngreedia GPUs cheap, so even if they get to pre-mining prices they still actually would not be cheap. it'd just be way more justified pricing than what we have now.
and don't forget to mention that 1080p is extreme budget in 2023, we aren't in 2016 anymore, with current monitor prices 1440p is the new norm.
talk about the fact that any 1080p GPUs must be considered extreme budget and be priced around 100-150 bucks. just like 1080p monitors they are only suitable for. e.g. the 4070 is DEFINITELY an entry-level below $200 xx50Ti class card.
talk about that a 4090 die 608mm2 costs 300 bucks MAX to make according to wafer calcs and 2 y.o. TSMC prices per wafer, its more like 200-250 bucks now.
a 4080 die 379mm2 costs 150 bucks MAX. and ngreedia is trying to sell 60-class cut down silicon 295mm2 that worth around 50 bucks as 4070ti for 800 bucks with 12gb VRAM, they even tried to sell it like 80-class silicon for 900 bucks at first.
and its on OVERPRICED AF TOP TSMC NODES. you easily can release 4070/ti/4060/ti tech on WAY CHEAPER NODES. yep, it would eat a bit more power. and those dies would cost not 50 bucks from TSMC (which is by itself should allow to sell 4070ti for 200 bucks) but like 10 bucks to make. so 4070ti literally is possible and would be VERY profitable for 200 bucks. but we are dealing with ngreedia here milking the market. same as ayyyymd and intool.
ALL TECH TUBERS DEFINITELY SHOULD CRY MORE. as is "tech reviewers" ACTUALLY ARE NGREEDIA/AMD SHILLS who normalize overpriced x3-4 time GPUs by ignoring HOW MUCH it all overpriced and not crying about it all the time. YES. YOU - TECH TUBERS. ARE. SHILLS. whether you realize that or not. period.
all tech tubers at this point are just like you - useless to gamers joke of a "reviewer" who KILL PC GAMING because game devs are forced to make games for AFFORDABLE hardware and nobody makes games for overpriced AF hardware that nobody can afford. if you bought 4000 ngreedia card you've swindled yourself because your overpriced AF PC is useless for gaming (way too redundant if you will) and will be useless until its level of performance gets to way more affordable price. like 5 times cheaper. which with "tech tubers" advertising-normalizing-promoting overpriced AF crap hardware won't happen soon.
all tech tubers are "constantly complaining about the prices of GPUs", there's a catch though - they all say stupid shit like "it must be 25 -50-100 bucks cheaper" BUT GPUs ARE OVERPRICED X3-4 TIMES! overprice is NOT 100, not even 200 bucks. its literally 3-4 TIMES!
GTX 980 Ti Die Size 601 mm2 2015 Launch Price 650USD
GTX 980 Die Size 398 mm2 15% slower 550 USD
GTX 970 Die Size 398 mm2 30% slower 330 USD
RTX 4090 Die Size 609 mm2 Launch Price 1600 USD
RTX 4080 Die Size 379 mm2 30% slower 1200 USD. its a xx70 card.
RTX 4090 must cost 600 bucks, its OVERPRICED 1000 DOLLARS. RTX 4080 must cost 300 bucks, its OVERPRICED 900 DOLLARS. 600 & 300 bucks are normal prices for such devices because TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS, mf-er, ever heard of it?
yeah, ngreedia can sell 4 times less GPUs for 4 times more money each and get the same profits, yet gamers will have 4 times less new faster GPUs and game devs don't make games for overpriced AF hardware, game devs make games for hardware that MOST people can afford to have a player base to sell games to. +most new GPUs have like 0 progress = thats how ngreedia is killing PC gaming with its overpriced x4 times crap.
when you buy a top overpriced AF GPU there will be minimal amount of games that actually need such GPUs. and most new "hard to run" games actually is boring AF crap with bad gameplay and stupid storylines. and YOU SUPPORT GREEDY AF CORPORATIONS AND DEATH OF PC GAMING through overprice.
and ayyymd isn't better - supporting overprice to sell more obsolete cheap-to-make high-margin ps5/xbox chips to sony/ms. ayyymd supports ngreedia overprice to push PC gamers buy crap consoles. and both corporations are making profits of slowing down technological progress. no progress = no price drops.
people really should ONLY get used GPUs and don't feed GREEDY AF corporations at this point.
and "tech tubers" are a sad joke with fish memory because they never seem to remember pre-mining prices, which is 2015, always comparing TO MINING PRICES WHEN GPUs LITERALLY WERE MONEY PRINTING MACHINES. THEY aren't anymore. GPUs are JUST GAMING DEVICES and MUST BE priced accordingly as such, 500-600 bucks MUST BE TOP GPU PRICES, xx70 class cards like "the 4080" MUST BE around 300 bucks just like pre-mining when NOBODY EVEN CONSIDERED THAT CHEAP.
The flaw of unacceptably high quality will be remedied in the next revision.
Noooo hahahaha. Actually laughed at this one. Please don't patch out the quality!
It's better than the bare minimum! It's overbuilt, quick cut some costs!
@GamersNexus I feel like this is been The Cry of many of us for years. This is Dell's Playbook
The ducts might be there on the Dell card to keep the GPU from blowing all that heat on an NVME drive and over heating it.
Good thought! Especially considering they try to keep cost down on their drives.
honestly I have found out that SSD under the GPU is cooler than above. Not surprising, hot airflow is better than no airflow
@@Blackwing2345635 this has also been true for downdraft cpu coolers. It helped keep components around the cpu cool, even if the cpu runs hotter than it would on a tower cooler.
@@Blackwing2345635 any video talk about it?
@@Blackwing2345635doesn't the gpu blow heat up?
I haven't seen such clean construction and ease of taking apart GPU in quite a while. As much as I hate Dell for their "proprietary" shenanigans, I must admit I respect this design. That's a nicely put together board with no unnecessary complexity. I guess you could flash an o/c bios on it without issues and push that power limit to 120%.
Clearly the GPU department is where all the competent Dell people went.
@@nhancao4790 They need to steal some from the GPU and Power Supply department and move them to the Alienware "Prebuilt Gaming PC" department. I seriously doubt their plastic covered old case and proprietary motherboard shenanigans are saving them money once warranty issues and required discounts and lost of sales due to sh!t designs are factored in. Just go back to a simple logical acceptable quality design like this GPU. They wouldn't need to spend so much in ads pushing their gamer systems to the uninformed if they just made better systems.
@@nhancao4790 the electrical engineers that work on GPUs are by all definition built different
I think its being mentioned several times that Dell have a lot of engineering competency that somehow got directed into making proprietary shenanigans. Which while impressive is a huge waste of talents and technical capabilities Dell have. Thankfully, they seemed to have done things properly here
@@ariavachier-lagravech.6910 Imagine if they actually started FROM SCRATCH and designed a small formfactor gaming PC with very good cooling. I wouldn't even mind a propriety motherboard and PSU if they were actually GOOD designs (to allow for a small gaming PC). But once they get to a certain size, they need to use standardized parts. There are way too many well priced competitors that sell acceptable quality PCs with regular parts for Dell to keep pulling this crap. Skytech Gaming, ABS, etc.
Dell 3080's and 3090's are good, and now the 4090. Good to see because used ones are usually the cheapest because most people don't know that they're good. I bought a used dell 3080 last october 2022 for cheap and just traded it plus $1000 for a used 4090. That dell 3080 served me well for a year.
Exactly. They're definitely undervalued a lot of the time. Not sure what pricing will be like on this one, but saw some "cheap" listings on second hand sites!
Well now everyone knows!
I got a RTX 3070 from Dell and the only critcism I have is that it has a rear metal backplate that doesn't have thermal pads to make contact with the back of the PCB.
Otherwise, the fact that it has a rear metal backplate compared to various other system integrators is a nice detail.
The PNY XLR8 series is also another type of GPU that is cheap but REALLY good!!
Long live budget oriented yet high end GPU's, LOL!
@@BBWahoo A pny xlr8 4090 is what I traded my dell 3080 and $1000 for, and yes it's excellent.
This is actually one of the prettiest graphics cards out there, I think. It looks simple and sleek, and seems to not be crap, which is also cool.
i just ordered two alienware pcs just for the cards to put in my own build. awesome purchase
really
@@LagiohX3 no
@@Walczyk oh
What drew my eye to this card by far though was how relatively slim it is. You got ALL these manufacturers making these hulking monstrosities, and here, we have Dell making a cooler that's actually kinda close to being a two-slotter. That's really impressive and something to be praised. Two-slot cards should be the norm, not the exception.
Cleary, the people making their GPUs are not the same people making their Systems. They definitely need to cross pollinate some of their Component employees into their prebuilt division.
I bought an Alienware using mostly Dell rewards I had stacked up a few years ago for the sole purpose of pulling the 3080 and using it in my personal build back when it was virtually impossible to get one other than paying scalper pricing. I was impressed with the card. Small, quiet and ran cool enough considering it had no OC options. I did add some thermal pads to the cold plate to make contact with the vram chips which helped bring those temps down a good 8C
got mine after mining end, pretty sweet deal. did the same mod, deshroud with p12max+undervolt. mid 60c temp all the time
I'am using a Dell RTX 3080 for about couple years. People are hating it but the temperatures are good even compared to the more expensive models, so I'am happy with it.
Yeah I saw that Dell has been making decent basic cards for a while. An RX 5700 by them shows similar results.
Yeah I had a Dell RTX 3070 and it stayed very cool. If not for the limited 8GB of VRAM (which is Nvidia's fault rather than Dell's), I'd still be using it. By comparison, the Gigabyte RX 6800 I replaced it with runs louder and hotter.
Same here, love my Dell 3080.
@@ArtisChronicles Yeah, dell does not make the card. They are made by MSI. You can tell from the product code at the pcie connector. In this video the code is MS V510 which is MSI Gaming X Trio 4090. Dell rtx 3080/90 are MSI Ventus.
Wow, never thought I'd see the day when Steve compliments an Alienware. This video needs to be archived in a national library of history.
The GN's reviews are getting more and more thorough and professional with each new video. The quality increase is really visible. Thank you for another great review. Keep up the great work guys!
17:50 "GROUND Yourself" Yes, words to live by.
After the Army- I bought a dream machine. An Alienware Area 51 ALX. It was so heavy, so absurd, with moving vents. It was like turning on a space ship, all to max out that Windows Performance score. I remember swinging the side vault open and was wired for 6! hard drives. I bought a ton of 1TB drives and that was my first intro to SSD's and SLI. I don't think any tech will compete to that unboxing, despite us now having 24TB drives, 4090's, etc.
I genuinely have purchased quite a few Dell GPUs second hand. (The most powerful GPU one could reasonably fit in the old 2012 Mac Pro was the 2-slot Dell 6800XT.). I’ve also been genuinely impressed with them.
My biggest “want” for 5090 onward is to get my 2nd x16 pcie slot back…
Got it! Covering a third x16 as we speak
Never going to happen lol
agree
Thanks for blocking off the flow through area as a test, that recent design choice really does work. I figured it was better and now there are numbers to back that up.
It's always really awkward when a bulk OEM like Dell makes an actually really good high-end card. Because it's Dell, you know this was also the cheapest way to get it done, which makes the fact others aren't doing it that much harder to excuse.
This is genuinely the most unbiased channels on RUclips that gives great advice to manufacturers. If your products good, they will pay you on the back. If your product is trash, you’ll be exposed. Great journalism👍👍👍.
The marking can be seen on the Pcie slot. This is MS-V510 VER. 4.0, so it is an OEM MSI card. The MSI gaming x trio is marked as V510-006R. That's why it's a decent card.
They'd do well to ask MSI to supply some of the other components too...
I really like the design of Dell's graphics cards. It's about as simple and utilitarian as it gets, which I appreciate in an era of over the top "gamer" designs and RGB insanity.
I have this GPU that I bought from a friend. He got it from an Alienware prebuilt and he traded me for a 4070ti ROG strix with some money on top since he didn’t need the extra power. Kinda cool to have a non marked card that’s smaller than a 4070ti
Hi, so did you use the Alienware gpu in a non Alienware pc? I’m thinking of using an r16 gpu in a new build, but I wasn’t sure if this would work? Does the gpu only work with Dell motherboards? Thanks
@ nope the GPU works with anything compatible. It’s not the prettiest GPU but it’s just as powerful. I’d recommend undervolting it so it doesn’t hit that 400 watt range for longevity purposes
The ducts along the bottom edge of the fan shroud (@ 5:54) direct exhausted air towards the PCB side of the card, away from the 3 intake fans to prevent them from drawing in this warmed air.
It would be nice if Dell could make most of their products to the same quality standards. I have a Dell Inspiron i7559-763BLK I got in 2016 and it is very well designed, the bottom cover to get to all the replaceable components (including the battery) is ONE panel with ONE captive screw. It was also very well priced at the time, $800 for a 15" i5-6300HQ Processor up to 3.2GHz, 8GB DDR3, 256GB SATA M.2, GTX 960M
I had the rev after yours and while the one captive screw is nice, if the plastic clips that hold those plates break, which they do quite easily, good luck on keeping that panel closed. The battery is indeed easily replaceable which is great because I had to replace the battery 3 times within 5 years, the first time after only a year and a half. The plastic all around the laptop liked to break rather easily and I had issues with the rear vent plastic breaking rather badly. I have since upgraded to an older alienware 15 r2 with an i7 6820hk and a gtx 980m. That laptop is far superior except for the speakers being arse and the built in wifi being garbage.
I noticed when you were installing a screw, you turn backwards until you find the thread and then screw it in. That is what I always do as well. A great technique so as not to cross thread a screw.
I'm glad they are using the shorter pcb, I had to get mine repaired due to the memory solder cracking from board flex. MOUNT VERTICAL OR USE A SUPPORT!
I think the reason why Dell covered the motherboard side of the gpu was to help isolate the heat from the other components
when i think of dell generally speaking i do think of like “engineered” products even if the engineering is normally for the worse. sometimes it works out.
Really? How many have you owned?
@@SpectreMK23 more than i care to admit due to work
@@SpectreMK23i think the Alienware reviews backup that claim
Well I'm loving my R16. Peace boys!✌
@@Navi_xoo dell as a corporate entity probably has little to do with it but dell the company definitely makes it and it’s probably pretty cost effective too, if they didn’t make it themselves that would cost even more money over what nvidia is already charging for the core
I'm dell user. and I'm watching till the end, and let the ads running without skipping.
I have one of their RTX 4070 Ti I bought secondhand for $750 in my rig. It's surprisingly cool. It boosts up to 2810MHz at times also.
Dell and RTX4090 are not two words I thought I'd ever see in the same sentence.
You mean Dell and good
Dell bought Alienware after all. Their office PC will always be the true dell. When a game could use integrated and work fine. 🤯🤯
Still using the power supply, RAM, CPU, AIO, and a fan from someone's R10 they sold me cheap (to get their 2080 during COVID). A $50 z-390 from ebay, $40 in 140mm fans, and a new Y60 case and I have a good enough machine to wait for an "9800X3D" or "15900K" rebuild.
It’s hilarious that you can tell which divisions/departments in dell actually care about what they’re doing, and which ones don’t.
Once again we can confirm that Dell has some brilliant engineers who just have their hands tied half of the time.
Oh my god something actually good came out of Alienware and as a bonus feature it doesn’t catch fire
The worst part about it is actually the fact that it comes inside a giant ewaste container with RGB
To be fair before Dell bought Alienware they made a lot of good stuff. Alienware also makes some pretty good gaming monitors.
@@coryv5679 yeah but all the monitors cost a kidney
Likely because these are the same cards they sell in their business line to customers.
Maybe a suggestion, when mentioning and showing previews of previous video, maybe add an date to it. Probably just a month and year is good enough. I struggled to remember how many years it was since your first Dell Alienware prebuilt video, so having that shown instead of having to look it up can be useful especially on a long stretched out "series" on a certain topic that spans for several years. Edit: One link to the video is in the pinned comments but not the others
LMAO, I remembered searching for Alienware stuffs and bumped into this channel awhile back...again another round, it came full circle!
I love that the through hole cooler cut out doesn't have any gamer aethetic grates blocking air flow.
Have a R-16 with a 4090. Handles anything thrown at it so if you want a pre-build this one is excellent with this card.
I have a real love/hate relationship with Dell. Their business hardware (Latitudes, Precisions, Optiplexes, PowerEdges) can be found for cheap en masse from government/corporate auctions; they’re super easy to service and are built to last.
As for their consumer hardware… a broken clock is still right twice a day, right?
The clip at 1:21 will always be my favorite singular GN moment.
I have a Dell 3080 Ti and 3090. Both have been working really well for over 2 years now. The amount of "crap" I get whenever I make a comment about using OEM GPUs are baffling - you get similar performance, decent cooling and no fancy extras + for the overall system build, it is not overpriced like AIBs.
I'm quite happy to see this. Where I work is contracted with Dell, and a few of us are getting new machines to take advantage of machine learning capabilities. They're coming with 13900K's and 4090's. Was worried with Dell's typical track record they'd be knee-capped to hell and back. Good to know they're at least decent.
Has anyone encountered the problem of black screen on Alienware Aurora R15?
The graphics card is the DELL RTX 4090 version. For example, when I am listening to music or browsing streaming videos, the screen goes black but the music is still playing.
I have observed that when the monitor screen is black, the word GEFORCE on the white LED of the 4090 graphics card is dark. I think it is a problem with the graphics card overheating.
I actually love the oldschool design on the DEll 4090, looks really nice.
Just plain and simple.
No weird angles, falshy colors or useless plastic stuff to make it look like a cheap Powerrangers knockoff from 1980.
It should be noted that those 'Warranty void if removed' stickers are really only useless in the US. Outside of the US, it depends on the country and what consumer protections they have in place when it comes to warranties.
So I wouldn't be surprised if the sticker is only missing on the US version of the 4090, it's possible on international versions that the sticker is present.
Wait, is this a 2 slot 4090? W/ zero need to overclock, would be awesome for an itx build.
4090 and ITX is an oxymoron imo
@@Ebani Can’t say I haven’t done it
I was thinking the same thing. Very interesting to see a 2 slot 4090!
@@CarnivoryHODL What size?
This card is 300x110x60 mm
I've snagged a couple Dell OEM GPUs off Ebay over the years and I have always liked them. They did really nice work on the Pascal era cards. Dell consumer grade cases and motherboards are some of the worst junk anyone is making, it's a shame they never seem to try in that area.
I feel people here are forgetting that because of people like Gamers Nexus, Corporate Dell took notice. If it wasn't for large techtubers influencing the industry most of the products would be worse.
Wish they can sell their OEM cards as is, this looks really well made for the size
Have you ever considered making a video about M.2 drives and cooling them, what works, what doesn't, heatsink height concerns etc. I built a PC with the for the first time this march and I was really surprised how hot they can get even with good airflow front to back of the case. Looks like heatsinks are a must if you don't want them to throttle. There is also a problem of SSD manufacturers or MB manufacturers (whose responsibility is it?) not including stuff like screws to install them properly.
Honestly the hidden parts of this GPU were impressively attractive! Love that nickel plating
Steve has mentioned in previous Alienware episodes that Dell keeps an incredible team of talented engineers chained up in their basement and working on keeping their ancient case tooling alive (I'm paraphrasing, of course, but the sentiment should be accurate).
Not surprised that those engineers are 2/2 with graphics cards. _Thanks, Steve!_
I just got my GN teardown kit a couple weeks ago! Love them!
That's awesome! Thank you for buying one!
Ive got a Dell 1080 thats still running strong. Good card.
20:28 warranty, less burned gpus that need to be replaced.
Not too surprised. Dell has usually done pretty good with video cards in general. I've also appreciated some of the things they've done for air flow control in the past. It's mostly when they try to make something look cool they screw it all up.
They should take some cues from Fractal Design on that front.
lol
So, does that mean this video card qualifies for the "Better Than A Dell" award?
i bought a Dell RTX3090 to fit a small form factor case, and it was amazing, performance and temps were great even in a case with terrible airflow, they are definitely not the best looking cards, but GPUs and monitors are pretty much the only thing Dell still makes well
I think that the reason for the fluctuation in the Frequency, and the lack of OC might be down to the exclusion of the mosfet-choke combos where those are to clean/regulate the voltage stepping outside of OC if the voltage doesn't need to be tightly constrained for standard operating levels then adding more would be "wasting money" so Dell can save a few cents per card on Mosfet-Choke combos, and the only user "drawback" is not allowing for OC support in the vBios.
as a result of not including the Mostet-Choke combo you get a wider fluctuation in the core frequency.
It's frustrating that Dell seems to be perfectly capable of building a competent product, yet still makes such convoluted and unserviceable prebuilts.
Dell doesn’t want to overclock the GPU inside an Alienware as the heat might start a fusion reaction we don’t need another demon core scenario.
"GN Calibrated Gorilla Tape"
For real though, actually impressive card for an OEM
I like how easy it seems to be to take apart vs the Founders cards or partner cards who really do make it difficult to take the cards apart just for a service of new paste etc.
My mobo has an NVME slot that sits right behind the GPU along with many others, Makes sense why they would cover the rear of the cooler.
Okay, now for more science: What about doing a thermal pad and thermal paste replacement to sort of match the (most likely) higher quality pads and paste from the strix model?
This! I know they are already doing so much but I want to see things taken to the max and really trimmed and geared out. Flashy a different bios on it, and see what it can do! I realize its likely they dont have the time to produce all of that
Honestly, it doesn't need it. These temperatures are all already under 80C (except GPU hotspot which is still great) at under 2000 rpm, which is a massive improvement over most last-gen 3090's where 95C+ memory hotspot temperatures were common across AIB's.
If I had to guess, I'd say that the bottom was designed in such a way as to keep heat away from the back of the motherboard.Some motherboards, including mine, have a chipset and/or m.2 drives somewhere towards the back. by blocking the front part off, that keeps heat from radiating over crucial components.
I bought one if these off ebay for £830 a few hours before this video was released and I was happy the review didn't trash it 😂
Scored this card on Marketplace for $1100 about 4 months ago. Great card! Pretty compact for a 4090. Love it's black muted aesthetic. Very silent compared to my old FE 980.
As someone who has worked in the enterprise space and I've dealth with Dell's PowerEdge and PowerVault lines of server gear, I can say, without a doubt, that their server division has some top-notch engineers. Their server stuff is top quality and has been for years (multiple differrent component types have much lower failure rates than HPE for example). Regarding the proprietary shenanigs, it's weird - on the server side they are MUCH better. Their whole system log is free and easy to read, the HPE one is encrypted and requires a support contract and only HPE can read it. Same with firmware and driver updates - HPE locks the latest versions behind support contracts, while Dell doesn't - they are free, forever. With all the strange Alienware stuff, I can tell you one thing - it's clear that Dell's server engineers were not very involved, otherwise it wouldn't be like this...
*Agreed. Unfortunately most of the folks on here have never, probably will never experience the sheer power and build quality of Dell's Enterprise-grade workstation offerings. Having worked at both Boeing, a Dell house and Raytheon, an H/P house; your observations are spot-on. H/P's "client as a hostage" behaviours are the sign of a terrified enterprise. Cheers!*
Is there a vid on the water block for the dell 4090
I love the green PCB so much.
"Warranty void if removed" stickers are only un-enforceable if the FTC actually does their job. The manufacturer can and does enforce them, because they know there's no recourse. Zotac and AsRock are both enforcing their tamper seals, because the FTC lets them get away with it and any lawsuit brought against them will QUICKLY get buried in red tape. These manufacturers know that any attempt to fight them will take years and instantly become more expensive than a replacement card
*So right! Have you been watching Louis Rossman's videos? Cheers!*
It's fortunate Dell's server department is highly competent at building hardware, because their consumer PC department most definitely isn't lawl.
*Dell's Enterprise Products Division is where the money is made therefore that is where their best engineering talent works.*
the absolute quality disparity between the different branches of Dell continues to blow my mind
@11:20 those are to prevent static discharges. Intentionally made.
love how at the 1:42 - 1:45 mark the top of the side panel keep moving every time you shake the table just slightly 😂
I feel like the size of the fans for the Dell card are why it didn't do as well as it could. They're a bit smaller than the Strix which would effect the cooling like it does.
Yep, you nailed it. It's also a relatively thin heatsink, not using nearly 4 slots like a lot of cards. But for what it is, it did well!
I’m surprised by how good that overall design is vs my Dell 3080, significantly improved, I’d buy one if it had a higher power budget and you could get one standalone. The no warranty void stickers counts for a lot. My Dell 3080 core clock fluctuates like that too, not as bad on water.
I love vendors design TBH. Like, the small rail like retainers prevent bent or dislocated from slots (which is actually a part of PCI standard) but almost every DIY PC part markets don't even care about such small details. So make people buy aftermarket retainers or such.
In what universe does our dearly beloved Steve ever use the word Dell and good , in the same sentence?
At my work we recently picked up a Dell XPS 8960. It has this same RTX 4090 in it. Under full load the coil whine is absolutely crazy. As in much louder than the fans even... I'm assuming you guys did not run into this same issue since in the conclusion you said the acoustics weren't too bad?
No coil whine on ours.
@@GamersNexus Interesting.. I wonder if we got a version of the board where they cut down on the power circuitry trying to save a few cents. I am using it to create a ML model to try to forecast wildfires in Alaska. Given the use case, it's on and under load for very long periods of time. It was so bad that I had to move it out of my office and into a closet 🤣
No coil whine on mine
Having the shroud on the back guide the air down like that allows for higher air speeds across the motherboard and reduces turbulance from top to bottom of the card
Dell made a fantastic 3090 also. I still have mine. It performs very well.
Same here, If Dell wants to lock voltage on these gpu's the best thing I have been doing with my 3090 is undervolting to get higher frequency and lower temp/vram temps too. the stock frequency is about 1920 mhz, Im gaming the 3090 at 1980-2010 stable frequency and under 70c. It's the only way around the lock voltage cage tyhey do.
GN made a video about the Dell 3090 too. Neat to watch
Problem is people will overclock when when it crashes blame hardware maker. Preventing overclocking makes systems less likely to have issues. Support costs and many customers have no clue how to T-shoot doing stupid stuff.
I was surprised you didn't even know it was a server power supply until you read the comment section.
I worked at the Dell EMC factory as employee tech support in Ireland Full access to the factory floor. Lots and lots of Foxconn cardboard boxes around. Dell wouldn't know how to build a server if their life depended on it. EMC, now that's where the real brains are.
You can say that about literally every manufacturer in the West. But if they're branding it and paying for it, it's their product.
@@GamersNexus Thanks Steve(sorry could not resist) 😁
You're totally correct. Dell had almost nothing to do with this product and most things dell themselves touches is shit and overpriced anyway.
I bought a Dell alienware aurora R 15 rtx 4090 i9 13900F AIRCOOLED like 2 months ago and it hasn’t given me any problems so far.
Steve, in 21:53, what is that waifu case? Will you be reviewing it soon in the future? Maybe even do a build with those waifu GPUs from Yeston?
love your channel. nobody gives as comprehensive a look at all areas of whatever it is you're reviewing at the time. Always love seeing the look of amusement on your face at things that make no sense. As always I'll be looking forward to your next video. Your Dell analysis is always very enlightening. Thank you.
I don't know why I enjoy watching Steve disassemble yet another Gpu but I do. 😊
Quick follow up question, why is Steve always wearing shirts you can't get on the gn store? Really only 'rgb" glitch version, so much cooler in B&W. :)
This makes it very clear how much of a difference there's between their departments
*Agreed. Dell focuses their engineering talent where the margins are the highest. Workstations built for LTC clients like Boeing are superb, go 24/7/365 without failures. The same can be said for hp W/S products for L-M and Raytheon. Like the racers say: "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?"*
This is probably the cheapest 4090 PCB out there. 14x50A phases with all aluminum electrolyte caps for filtering. Both the caps and the chokes are through-hole soldered, which is easier for replacement, but slightly lowers the signal stability. There are some mid-grade 4080s with better VRM than this.
Yes, but this isn't undergoing any OC and is relatively low power as a 4090.
They have good engineers. Shame the marketing team tends to beat them up towards poor design choices for looks...Dell did something nice with that card!
Nice to see a 4090 at a reasonable weight and sizing.
Finally, Dell receives the "It's better than Dell" award!
I came across a Dell 2070 Super that ran a total of a zero dollar cost to me. Quite happy with it. The temps are not too bad while gaming, and even messing around with NVENC in Handbrake.
Interesting the power target can't be increased. I have a Dell RTX 2080ti that I was surprised to see was labeled TU102-300A-K1-A1 vs TU102-300-K1-A1 (apparently the A means it's a binned chip). I know this is 2 generations ago but still.
Those airflow bockers at the side of the card closest to the motherboard is actually purposeful and great. Instead of blowing hot air onto the motherboard where the power delivery/vrms ram and cpu are adding more eheat to that area it outs it away from it.
It would be interesting to see how the card would perform with the recently released tool that allow for bios flashing regardless of card manufacturer for the 3000,4000 series cards. Flash it with a bios with overclocking enabled and perhaps a higher power target.
As an owner of a Dell RTX 3090 I can say the power limit is probably there for a reason, I'm no techie but that's my opinion
*Correct. Dell prefers to avoid warranty issues from angry corporate IT Depts if at all possible. Cheers!*