@@DocRunaway I met him through his podcasts, and having never watched any of his movies, I can't comment or their quality. What I do know is that he himself constantly comments on the shortcomings of his works, and that to me tells me he's anything but a hack.
What Reeve did better than all the supermen actors to follow him. Is play the nerd in the glasses. Even Cavill’s version of Clark was way too cool and good looking. Reeve made it looks effortless to go from to zero to hero. That’s why he’ll always be the best Superman, because he was the best Clark.
BaronVonBielski I’m aware. But his acting ability came through as Clark. He nailed the “Nerd” persona Kal El used to enhance his alter ego. Whereas many others who have recently played the role don’t sell it at all.
@@anthonyd507 I understand your point, he's a great actor. hoo-ray, but he played a set of superman movies there were just terrible. What your saying has nothing to do with the movie, your just pointing out the great things he did to portray a CHARACTER. Like I said he's a great actor, played his best in that role. but was he the best overall? no.
@@ekustyle_2408 Uhm, they were NOT terrible. You're most likely comparing them to the stuff we have today, but back then Superman was practically the ONLY superhero movie that DIDN'T suck complete ass (Not counting 3 and 4) The first two films alone made ten times their production costs, and they have a list of awards and award nominations longer than many other films of their time. Yes, today they may not hold up, but the stuff we have now won't hold up in 40 years either.
@@captin3149 LOL FIRST OF ALL YES back then they were good. second of all the movies of today wont stand up in 40 years? Really you think nothing marvel has done can outshine not only the special effects the acting but also the plot and character arc of the superman movies in comparison ? Are you fucking tripping? Share it mate whatever you're on fucking share it.
Kevin 'Tells it like it is' Smith. This guy is SERIOUSLY underrated. In a fairer world Warner Bros would hire him to write and direct some of their comic book properties, because this is a guy who seriously knows and loves comics more than 90 percent of Hollywood. In particular I'd love to see a Green Arrow movie directed by him.
I’d argue that there is no one in Hollywood that knows comics more than Kevin smith. Such a disservice to everyone that won’t get a comic based movie written, produced, directed or anyway affiliated with him. Hopefully one day Hollywood will fucking get it.
They tried to get him to make a Netflix special for he man but it completely failed I think they only paid him to say he did work on that show for publicity
Kevin Smith: "After Superman Returns, hopefully in the next movie Superman will get to punch somebody" Zack Snyder: "....Hold my beer" Fans: "Damn! We didn't mean that much!"
Lois _does_ know that Superman is the father of her child all along, and she remembers their history; what she doesn't remember is that Clark and Superman are the same person. That's why she's unnerved by Superman's return, but her reaction to Clark coming back is way less emotional. She also doesn't know that their son has latent superpowers because he's been sickly his whole life (the main thing that references this is his constant use of an inhaler).
@@tylerwagner1978 yeah, I know what he's referring to...that argument always just chaps my ass though. He literally embodies hope and goodness and saved the world from extinction so I think it's safe to say he's a good guy lol.
@@NobuhikuObayashi I'd also argue that he's become a lot more chill since his heart attack. Starring death in the face has a tendency to realign priorities and cracking on movies, rather than finding what is enjoyable in them is probably much less important now.
I wouldn't mind if Bizarro came along in the next Man of Steel just to drive Big Blue crazy. Think Incredible Hulk, but with only half the brains and stoned out of his skull.
The problem with the kiss in Superman 2 is not that it's a "fake" or "imaginary" power that's just stupid as opposed to much cooler imaginary powers like flying. The problem with the kiss is it's lazy writing. Fantastic worlds and people make for great stories. But they have to be consistent. Pulling "new" powers for superman out of one's ass in order to fix a plot corner, the writer painted themselves into, will always feel "cheap". Writer's can create any world they want. But once they set the rules of the world, consistency is important.
What Clark did with the Super Kiss in Superman II was he deprived her of enough oxygen effecting her short-term memory. Sorta like the condition in the Adam Sandler comedy "50 First Dates". Emotional trauma of the entire ordeal she has been through like the audience in the first two films plays a role in her ability to recall events or lack thereof.
I like Star Trek: The Motion Picture. It's a proper, concept-drive science fiction story. I think that Star Treks II - VI, whilst enjoyable, are more character-driven hero stories, and somewhat indulgent to the cast.
I liked it enough, too, but would always, always fast-forward through those panning scenes. Enterprise flying into that V-Ger ship was such a lame attempt at remaking the 2001 "through the monolith" scene.
@@wildmanfisher I made myself a cut of the film, way back in the VHS days, that was something like 30 or 40 minutes shorter. Cut down the panning shots, shortened some of the long stares, and that mostly did the job. It still wasn't as compelling as "Khan," but there's a decent movie in there. It's just hidden by the leaden pacing.
@@wildmanfisher You're out of your mind ... all those sequences were beautiful .. .I agree with you about the 2001 references ... I prefer to think of it as a homage, because it still felt like enough of it's own thing to keep me loving it. The transhumanist propaganda was thick with the resolution .. but that's ok though .. It's star trek after all
Depends on the variation of Superman. Golden Age Superman can hypnotize people, but he limits that usage to convincing people that Clark does not look like Supes with glasses on. Also, I have fallen asleep within 30 minutes of starting Star Trek The Motion Picture, every time.
Superman returns wasn't bad. The biggest issue with it though is that it was essentially superman 5, so this is where they could bring in a new villain like brainiac, but who do they choose? Why Lex Luthor of course.........again
Lois Lane's "I Spent The Night WIth Superman" story that was published is referenced in Superman Returns, so...no big surprise there for her to realize her son is Superman's. But still, K Smith is hilarious in this
I understand that comic book fans would have been disappointed by its lack of originality and daring ideas, but as just a film fan and having no knowledge of comic books, I absolutely loved it.
I loved superman so much around the time the movie came out, was looking forward to it for two years sayed up all night on june 29th 2006 to watch the Reeve movie, went to the first showing of returns and fell asleep, thought it was because of the staying up all night, by the second trip to the cinema I knew that wasn't the reason. thank god for Zach Snyder, he gave us the superman we deserve.
I don’t give a shit what everyone else says Superman Returns was a good superhero movie this whole bull shit that it was terrible lol fuck that it was really entertaining.
One thing I really didn't about Superman Returns is how technology advanced by 30-40 years, in the span of 5 years after the first or second film. Folks went from typewriters to desktops and flat screen televisions. Plus Superman and Louis Lane aged backwards.
People complain the hell out of Man of Steel, even though I enjoyed Man of Steel though I will admit it wasn't a perfect film but at least shit actually happened in Man of Steel. At least he battled someone and didn't get his ass beaten and throw an island into space.
John Doe It's not that there was too much destruction, it was the character of Superman that ruined Mos. Superman is a virtusl Olympian god raised as a man with values of defending those weaker than himself. In Mos, they turned him into a hero who hates being heroic. And as for destruction, Superman fought Did in a populated area and allowed horrendous collateral damage (which is the reason Batman started to see him as a dire threat in BvS) and didn't even try to lead the fight away. The main issues I, and many other comic fans had with Mos is the Superman in that movie was a completely different character to the Big Blue Boy scout we know and love. Perhaps if he changed over time, due to the events in various film's, that would be fine(like he changed over time in the DCAU, and they had an episode where Captain Marvel was used to show how dark Supes had gotten, but it happened organically over Superman TAS and Justice League) but in Mo S he was raised to not get involved and to let people die for no good reason. And don't get me started on the body count left by Bats in BvS again, they don't show how he got so broken as to break his _only_ rule, no killing. People have read and loved these characters for decades, yet with MoS and BvS we get elseworlds interpretations advertised as the real thing.
I had the honor of playing Christopher Reeve's character in "noises off". It was an excellent show and incredible. I was Superman. Not my favorite, but an honor. Watch the movie. But the play is way better. Guys, take your lady to the theatre. Trust me
I get that you wanna hear him be honest about what he likes and dislikes but, he's famous. If he talks shit on like suicide squad, someone who worked on that movie is likely a fan of Clerks who says "Awe man Kevin Smith say he hates this think I worked on, he's my hero". Idk if that happened it would probably make you feel bad about it and put you in a bad mood.
The impression I got the entire movie was that Lois knew 100% that Jason was Superman's son, but she didn't know (yet or for sure) he had super strength. When Lex suspects his parentage and waves the Kryptonite in Jason's face, she is obviously lying when she says that Richard is the father. Even Richard seemingly has his suspicions, at least that they slept with each other, as seen when he asks Lois about the "Night I spent with Superman" article.
I don't know about why people hate this movie, but I am confused on what Superman Returns was supposed to be. It does have great ideas (I especially love the scene of Superman floating in space listening to the whole planet), but it does not deliver on them entirely. And come on, Warner Bros.! Use a new villain already!
10+ years on, I can appreciate it for what it was, a love letter to the Donner franchise.... And yet, when I saw it as a kid, I vividly remember being bored out of my fucking skull.
I like any movie that has Matt Damon and Ben Affleck acting together. They were childhood friends and they act off of each other so well. Good Will Hunting is still one of their best.
yes he might be bitter that WB got rid of his script, but you gotta admit he points out a lot of the big mistakes on superman returns. I agreed with everything
Man of Steel is the Superman film they should have done in O6 taking advantage of the technology we have and still maintaining rich characters with depth.
Shoveler: Oh, don't start that again! Lance Hunt wears glasses. Captain Amazing doesn't wear glasses. Mr. Furious: [Long-suffering] He takes them off when he transforms. Shoveler: That doesn't make any sense. He wouldn't be able to see!
I used to make fun of Kevin Smith for how he dressed but I heard an interview where he admitted he has body shamed himself his entire life and then I just felt bad for him. He dressed that way out of embarrassment. :( So happy to see him much healthier these days.
If you dissect the film you see that he wasn't trying to recreate the film, Superman was trying to recapture something he lost. The movie was great and depicted Superman as it should have. -A fan since long before Doomsday-
I still think the '78 Superman is the best Superman film ever made and Superman doesn't throw a punch in that one either. While I enjoyed Man of Steel, Superman's heroics don't hinge on violence the way they do for other superheroes. Superman Returns was a flawed film, but not for the reason Smith gives. The biggest problem with Superman Returns, in my mind, was its reverence to '78 Donner film. See, Richard Donner made a film that was steeped in Superman mythology. He gave us a straight-faced take on Krypton and Jor-El and Lara, on Smallville and Clark's coming of age, the Fortress of Solitude, then Superman's rescues in Metropolis and squaring off with Lex Luthor. Yeah it gets way cheesy, but the point is, Donner dug deep into Superman lore to create an epic Superman film. Singer didn't dig into Superman lore. He dug into the Donner films. Donner showed reverence to the Superman source material. Singer showed reverence to Donner. THAT was the breakdown.
Part of the problem was that they messed with the formula. The Lois/Clark dynamic was totally changed, the father/child relationship never quite came together and Superman felt more disconnected in general. Some of it made sense, Lois had moved on after five years, but the chemistry wasn't there anymore and nothing came forward to replace it.
Well, Reeve's Superman never threw a single punch in "Superman the Movie", either. And it still worked perfectly!! His Superman was just more full of joy and confident, had more charisma and a positive outlook...
Thus lies a big issue with writing for Superman and his villains. You either make them as OP or more. And in doing that there's nothing to stop that opposing force.
Loneliness is not a trait of Superman, and that was my biggest problem with this movie. Superman is so disconnected from people in this film, and yet that isn't who Superman is from the comics and it wasn't Christopher Reeve's Superman. What makes Superman so human is the fact that he comes from a world that was so ahead of us and yet he lives among us as if he's one of us. That's what makes Superman the most human of superheroes. This movie just didn't have that or Reeve's characterization.
I liked Superman Returns. I always have, I just thought the good stuff in it was always enough to overshadow the bad, but within the context of seeing Man of Steel I grew a whole new appreciation for it. In terms of tone, the Chris Reeves Superman movies and the Zac Snyder versions are polar opposites with the Reeves movies being incredibly corny and the Snyder film taking itself way too seriously. Yet through these extremes they both hit a very similar problem: Plausibility. The Reeves films were too goofy to be considered close to reality with a bit of dated dialogue as well as outlandish solutions to problems like reversing the earth's rotation. The Snyder film tried to be a little closer to realism, but that illusion was shattered because of Superman's incompetence as a hero lot's of smaller logic gaps like sacrificing your life in a storm for a friggin dog. Point is, the common complaint among fans is that the Reeves films are overly goofy and the Snyder film is overly dark and pretentious. Superman Returns, in my opinion, hit's the perfect balance. It's got the colorful wonder and enchantment you can find in any Superman comic like saving a falling shuttle and being impervious to a gun turret's barrage of bullets, but it also addresses character weakness in Superman FAR better then Man of Steel did. Take for instance the premise: Superman hears that there may very well be remains of Krypton left, and so he goes away for a while to try and find it only to come back empty handed. This leaves him initially depressed because he thought he could finally go back to his routes only to find out he is still terribly alone. But through this realization he remembers that he still has a home amongst the people of earth and that he still has the opportunity to use his incredible powers to do great things. This ties in greatly with his conflict of Kryptonian versus human. Not only that, but it's puts Lois in understandable emotional denial because she just can't believe Superman would up and leave like that. The years without Superman's presence prove uneventful and so she comes to a decision that the world didn't need him. Superman proves her wrong by taking her on a flight and saying "You say the world doesn't need a savior . . but every day I hear someone crying for one". This is great development that the Reeves movies didn't have and the Snyder film failed at executing properly. It shows how Superman's absence hurt Lois even though she tries to deny it and now that he's back she can't help but feel whole again even though she's denying that too. It also proves to be great commentary on the idea of humanity needing a savior (Superman is ALWAYS great commentary for that). The movie is about Superman discovering his place in humanity once more, and it's very satisfying because it's got all the enchantment of the Reeves films but brings to the table a surprising look at Superman the reeves films never really offered.
MIKELIN8 I mean I get where he’s coming from. These are superhero movies. They’re supposed to entertain and Superman Returns didn’t really entertain. X3, as shitty as it was, was the more entertaining movie if you walk into it understanding that the guy who directed Rush Hour is directing it, not Bryan Singer. If a movie opts to not be entertaining, it should at least be moving. Shawshank Redemption, Schindler’s List, they’re not there to entertain you, they’re there to make you feel something deep down. I figure that’s what Bryan Singer was going for in Superman Returns, but Superman just isn’t the character for that
Smith must have seen a different movie than I did (or all that weed changed his perception) because I got the impression Lois clearly remembered her affair with Superman and in Singer's original cut, she covers for Superman when James Marsden notices how much Clark looks like him (both examples of what Singer ditched from Superman II and what he kept). Its pretty clear to me that she knew her son was Superman's but she didn't know how much Kryptonian DNA affected him (or did Smith forget the scene where Lex, suspecting her son's parentage, waves kryptonite in his face and watches for a reaction?)until he threw that piano at the thug(or is Smith assuming the "Superman's Babysitter" strip is officially canon, now?). It does illustrate the biggest dark cloud that Superman Returns had for me months before it was released: Singer's slavish adherence to Superman II despite the fact it was around 30 years old and all the inanities in it (the Magic Amnesia Kiss included). Seriously, when you're trying to sell a movie to, primarily, a young general audience, you shouldn't assume that they've watched a movie that was made decades before most of them were born and know it by heart! Singer's Superman II is a great example of what happens when a Fanboy gets waaaay too focused on his favorite version of a Franchise Character and doesn't care if the audience doesn't share his views! To quote another Franchise's famous tagline: "With great power comes great responsibilty." Singer was given great power with the Superman Franchise but he acted without responsibility. And thus it is best to think of Superman II as a one shot Elseworlds issue
You can call it "art' if it generates an emotional response in a person obviously in your case it did so, so it can't be all bad,even if not all good glad the film touched you in a positive way, congrats on being a dad hope you and son enjoy many geek movies together !
When I saw Cavil in that film Immortals, and he's standing there with his large red flowing cloak at some point in the film, I thought, THERE'S !! your new Superman. Then after my girlfriend calls me as says - guess who's the next Superman, I didn't even hesitate to guess who it was. It was Cavil. And I wasn't even surprised. He's the perfect choice!!
No. Even the worst DCEU or MCU is still miles better than Superman Returns. Also the heart attack and large amounts of weed have changed his outlook on life. "Better to light a candle than curse the darkness" is a quote he uses alot when it comes to pop culture nowadays.
Problem is that everyone bitched about Superman Returns being boring as hell cos Superman doesn’t throw a punch then bitched because in Man Of Steel there’s “too much action and fighting”. People suck.
Everybody that was there on this night was truly living in the moment. I know it was the nineties, but there’s no phones or cameras in their hands. They’re watching and listening. Being completely respectful for the man on stage.
7:14 - Why would Lois question when she and Superman did the deed? If he's as big a Superman fan as he claims, he'd know that they did it in the Fortress in Superman II.
You know what other movie has a Superman that doesn't throw a single punch? Richard Donner's original 1978 "Superman" movie. Still the best Superman movie, possibly the best comic book movie ever made. Am I wrong? It's been at least a year since I've seen it so I could be forgetting an instance. If I am, please describe it so I can revise my assertion. Thanks all.
The biggest flaw of Man of Steel is the fact that Clark never faces any consequences for killing Zod and allowing Metropolis to be levelled it’s completely inaccurate and unjustified as an ending to the what was largely a great movie with a new interpretation of Kal - El
Concreteowl I think this is a common thing that happens with people. When a shitty movie comes out and then later a n even shittier movie comes out, we tend to think the previous one wasnt that bad when in reality theyre both terrible
+Pale Horse I'm not so sure it's his directing, it's the writing, whoever that is. I like Snyder's visuals, he's a visonary don't get me wrong. But in both the movies he's done with superman, the writers or whoever don't quite know what to do with superman. Cuz in BvS he just kinda mopes about and then dies and in the first one its y'know an origin story so it's just introducing him. I did like the idea of him killing thought it was an interesting take on the character it was something new, but his guilt for having to kill was never addressed in BvS (that I can remember, correct me if I'm wrong) and the first thing we see superman do is straight up kill a man! Or put him in the ICU anyway. I'm just not sure they know what to do with Superman. Get someone on board who knows about superman like Max landis for example. As controversial as he is, he knows superman and writes good superman stories and he is a screenwriter. Get him in and ask him what's what with superman. But whatever I couldn't make that movie. Like if Zack Snyder came up to me with a time machine, took me back to day 1 of pre-production and said "you fuckin make it then" I'd cry and pee myself. Or maybe I'd make a cool film but probably not.
+Jak MP Ha ha, good ending. I do agree that the writing is lacking and inconsistent. It sounds like we disagree on Zack Snyder's directing, and that's fine. I feel like every movie he's directed since 300 are dominated by the same gray, brown, and black coloration and are typically more style over substance.
+Pale Horse oh no that's completely what I was saying haha. style style style. I do kinda dig the visuals though. you can't deny he does cool visuals. but beyond that not much
+Jak MP Yeah, he does sometimes. I thought 300 was good overall, and it had a ton of great visuals. Sucker Punch was cool to look at, and not always just for the pretty girls in hot outfits.
Kevin Smith, pay attention to movies when you watch them: 1. Lois DID know her son was Superman's. You can see it in the nonverbal performance when she's around both her son and Superman. She just didn't know how or if to tell him, until the end. 2. In Superman II, both the theatrical version and the Donner Cut, Superman and Lois "do the deed" at the Fortress of Solitude." That was when her son was conceived.
Yes we know that he had sex with her. THEN HE WIPED HER MEMORY… Therefore she should be wondering where her superman like kid came from you fucking morons that’s the point he was making you idiots. He clearly acknowledges that the events of superman two happen that they had sex and that he wiped her memory that’s what makes it illogical that Lois is just fine with having Superman’s baby since she wouldn’t remember ever having sex with him. You guys are seriously dense. What’s worse is you think you’re smart.
evilSWA - beyond pandora films So glad you said this. You’re 100% on point! He bangs her, and then wipes her memory. Fast forward to her kid throwing a piano across the room. Her reaction should have been something along the lines of “WTF did Superman do to me?!”
If I remember correctly the Donner cut of SM2 does not have Superman wipe her memory and I believe that’s what Singer was going off of because once WB released the donner cut they made that the official version.
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This just appeared in my recommended feed, 10 years after it was uploaded. RUclips knew I'd appreciate something like this exactly today.
Hell yeah ✌ same!!! 😂
@@austinfarwell4280 Bless RUclips, man. Even with all the crap, it's still the best thing ever.
You felt like hearing a talentless hack talking to no end too, huh? High five.
@@DocRunaway I met him through his podcasts, and having never watched any of his movies, I can't comment or their quality. What I do know is that he himself constantly comments on the shortcomings of his works, and that to me tells me he's anything but a hack.
Same!
What Reeve did better than all the supermen actors to follow him. Is play the nerd in the glasses. Even Cavill’s version of Clark was way too cool and good looking. Reeve made it looks effortless to go from to zero to hero. That’s why he’ll always be the best Superman, because he was the best Clark.
You do realize how huge a heartthrob Reeves was? He wasn’t in any way considered dorky
BaronVonBielski I’m aware. But his acting ability came through as Clark. He nailed the “Nerd” persona Kal El used to enhance his alter ego. Whereas many others who have recently played the role don’t sell it at all.
@@anthonyd507 I understand your point, he's a great actor. hoo-ray, but he played a set of superman movies there were just terrible. What your saying has nothing to do with the movie, your just pointing out the great things he did to portray a CHARACTER. Like I said he's a great actor, played his best in that role. but was he the best overall? no.
@@ekustyle_2408 Uhm, they were NOT terrible. You're most likely comparing them to the stuff we have today, but back then Superman was practically the ONLY superhero movie that DIDN'T suck complete ass (Not counting 3 and 4) The first two films alone made ten times their production costs, and they have a list of awards and award nominations longer than many other films of their time. Yes, today they may not hold up, but the stuff we have now won't hold up in 40 years either.
@@captin3149 LOL FIRST OF ALL YES back then they were good. second of all the movies of today wont stand up in 40 years? Really you think nothing marvel has done can outshine not only the special effects the acting but also the plot and character arc of the superman movies in comparison ? Are you fucking tripping? Share it mate whatever you're on fucking share it.
Jorts. Trenchcoat.
Yup, this is vintage Kevin Smith
Don't forget the fat
@@johnnyjohnny998 that caught up to him glad he got himself better though
Yah don’t forget the extra LBs
Best Smith
Good save. "In my heart Christopher Reeve is still alive." Even Kevin Smith backtracked on that one.
Then immediately said, "Looked just like him minus the wheelchair OR THE CASKET whatever" hahaha
Why does Kevin Smith dress like he hit the "randomize outfit" button in a Sims game set in a 2007 middle school?
thats his silent bob outfit
+Comemeism He only wears variations of the orange and blue jersey now. ALWAYS, good luck finding him wearing something else.
Jesse S. silent bob didn't wear fucking jorts
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+Roger Sherman I just saw his RUclips Batman show and he's now updated to black and red jerseys.
He looks like two kids standing on top of each other pretending to be middle aged director Kevin Smith
chris q lololol
Word, Scooby Doo Villain status.
He wears those baggy jean jorts so he can drop his C-bag without undoing his pants.
Kevin Adultman?!
I'm doing
“HE’S 6 FEET UNDER!” LLMFAO Had me dying! 🤣🤣🤣
Kevin 'Tells it like it is' Smith. This guy is SERIOUSLY underrated. In a fairer world Warner Bros would hire him to write and direct some of their comic book properties, because this is a guy who seriously knows and loves comics more than 90 percent of Hollywood.
In particular I'd love to see a Green Arrow movie directed by him.
I’d argue that there is no one in Hollywood that knows comics more than Kevin smith. Such a disservice to everyone that won’t get a comic based movie written, produced, directed or anyway affiliated with him. Hopefully one day Hollywood will fucking get it.
They tried to get him to make a Netflix special for he man but it completely failed I think they only paid him to say he did work on that show for publicity
That "Superman Lives" script would have been trippy. That either would have been the best Superman movie or the worst.
Kevin Smith: "After Superman Returns, hopefully in the next movie Superman will get to punch somebody"
Zack Schneider: "....Hold my beer"
joefx69 Snyder
Kevin Smith: "After Superman Returns, hopefully in the next movie Superman will get to punch somebody"
Zack Snyder: "....Hold my beer"
Fans: "Damn! We didn't mean that much!"
Zack was like "You want punching? I'll give you some fucking punching.." Lol
Overrated trash?
Extended overrated trash?
Black and white extended overrated trash?
You have shit taste in movies
Lois _does_ know that Superman is the father of her child all along, and she remembers their history; what she doesn't remember is that Clark and Superman are the same person. That's why she's unnerved by Superman's return, but her reaction to Clark coming back is way less emotional. She also doesn't know that their son has latent superpowers because he's been sickly his whole life (the main thing that references this is his constant use of an inhaler).
This doesn't fit with superman one and two. The kiss wipes her whole relationship with him from her memory.
I have a lot of time for Superman Returns. Flawed, but a lot of good things in it. And they remembered that Superman was a GOOD GUY.
Superman has been a good guy in every movie he's been in so don't really understand your comment.
@@doc8013 probably referencing superman killing people in the damage at the end of man of steel.
@@tylerwagner1978 yeah, I know what he's referring to...that argument always just chaps my ass though. He literally embodies hope and goodness and saved the world from extinction so I think it's safe to say he's a good guy lol.
@@tylerwagner1978 he killed one guy to save a whole bunch of other folks
tyler wagner so he didn’t pay attention to man of steel
“I’m sweating” No shit dude, you wore a 20lb wool coat on stage. With STAGE LIGHTS.
i could watch this guy tell stories for the rest of my life... what a genius
Crazy to look at this huge dude and see what he looks like now. Good for him
Didn't he get cancer or something and that's why he's so much smaller?
@@moonmannd7501 He got a heart attack.
Why can't he be this honest about movies anymore lol
Careerism, self preservation, can't blame him
@@NobuhikuObayashi I'd also argue that he's become a lot more chill since his heart attack. Starring death in the face has a tendency to realign priorities and cracking on movies, rather than finding what is enjoyable in them is probably much less important now.
Potential lawsuits and doesnt want to deal with the noise anymore.
@@danw.1250 good point...excellent rather
Because he made tusk 😅
Superman Returns 2 would be the equivalent of Wrath of Khan? Dude, I would have been stoked if this film happened.
I was hoping Bizarro would come into play because of new Krypton.
I wouldn't mind if Bizarro came along in the next Man of Steel just to drive Big Blue crazy. Think Incredible Hulk, but with only half the brains and stoned out of his skull.
"Throw a rock, you'll hit a better film maker than me."
"Let's see who I get."
Throws a rock
"I just hit Uwe Boll."
Well if it was a big enough rock it was worth it! :)
He's the best director of all time
Hit him again!
Keep throwing those rocks
The problem with the kiss in Superman 2 is not that it's a "fake" or "imaginary" power that's just stupid as opposed to much cooler imaginary powers like flying. The problem with the kiss is it's lazy writing. Fantastic worlds and people make for great stories. But they have to be consistent. Pulling "new" powers for superman out of one's ass in order to fix a plot corner, the writer painted themselves into, will always feel "cheap". Writer's can create any world they want. But once they set the rules of the world, consistency is important.
Like him being able to turn back time in the first movie. Looks like Mario Puzo should've stayed in the crime genre.
What Clark did with the Super Kiss in Superman II was he deprived her of enough oxygen effecting her short-term memory. Sorta like the condition in the Adam Sandler comedy "50 First Dates". Emotional trauma of the entire ordeal she has been through like the audience in the first two films plays a role in her ability to recall events or lack thereof.
I like Star Trek: The Motion Picture. It's a proper, concept-drive science fiction story. I think that Star Treks II - VI, whilst enjoyable, are more character-driven hero stories, and somewhat indulgent to the cast.
I liked it enough, too, but would always, always fast-forward through those panning scenes. Enterprise flying into that V-Ger ship was such a lame attempt at remaking the 2001 "through the monolith" scene.
@@wildmanfisher I made myself a cut of the film, way back in the VHS days, that was something like 30 or 40 minutes shorter. Cut down the panning shots, shortened some of the long stares, and that mostly did the job. It still wasn't as compelling as "Khan," but there's a decent movie in there. It's just hidden by the leaden pacing.
@@wildmanfisher You're out of your mind ... all those sequences were beautiful .. .I agree with you about the 2001 references ... I prefer to think of it as a homage, because it still felt like enough of it's own thing to keep me loving it. The transhumanist propaganda was thick with the resolution .. but that's ok though .. It's star trek after all
Depends on the variation of Superman. Golden Age Superman can hypnotize people, but he limits that usage to convincing people that Clark does not look like Supes with glasses on. Also, I have fallen asleep within 30 minutes of starting Star Trek The Motion Picture, every time.
Superman returns wasn't bad. The biggest issue with it though is that it was essentially superman 5, so this is where they could bring in a new villain like brainiac, but who do they choose? Why Lex Luthor of course.........again
I wish Kevin was this honest about his opinions today
Lois Lane's "I Spent The Night WIth Superman" story that was published is referenced in Superman Returns, so...no big surprise there for her to realize her son is Superman's. But still, K Smith is hilarious in this
I understand that comic book fans would have been disappointed by its lack of originality and daring ideas, but as just a film fan and having no knowledge of comic books, I absolutely loved it.
I loved superman so much around the time the movie came out, was looking forward to it for two years sayed up all night on june 29th 2006 to watch the Reeve movie, went to the first showing of returns and fell asleep, thought it was because of the staying up all night, by the second trip to the cinema I knew that wasn't the reason. thank god for Zach Snyder, he gave us the superman we deserve.
Zach Snyder killed the DC cinematic universe lol
That was joss whedon
Restore the snyderverse got more Twitter mentions than avengers endgame.
I fucking love it..... he says "why does that's getta boo? Is he not in a wheelchair? YES! I rest my case" lmao
I’m in the minority in that I actually really enjoy Superman Returns
I don’t give a shit what everyone else says Superman Returns was a good superhero movie this whole bull shit that it was terrible lol fuck that it was really entertaining.
I think it's the best Superman movie personally. The only one that explored his character and showed the hardships of being Superman.
One thing I really didn't about Superman Returns is how technology advanced by 30-40 years, in the span of 5 years after the first or second film. Folks went from typewriters to desktops and flat screen televisions. Plus Superman and Louis Lane aged backwards.
People complain the hell out of Man of Steel, even though I enjoyed Man of Steel though I will admit it wasn't a perfect film but at least shit actually happened in Man of Steel. At least he battled someone and didn't get his ass beaten and throw an island into space.
But he certainly got his ass beat in BvS. MoS is ok but BvS is ridiculous
John Doe It's not that there was too much destruction, it was the character of Superman that ruined Mos. Superman is a virtusl Olympian god raised as a man with values of defending those weaker than himself. In Mos, they turned him into a hero who hates being heroic. And as for destruction, Superman fought Did in a populated area and allowed horrendous collateral damage (which is the reason Batman started to see him as a dire threat in BvS) and didn't even try to lead the fight away. The main issues I, and many other comic fans had with Mos is the Superman in that movie was a completely different character to the Big Blue Boy scout we know and love. Perhaps if he changed over time, due to the events in various film's, that would be fine(like he changed over time in the DCAU, and they had an episode where Captain Marvel was used to show how dark Supes had gotten, but it happened organically over Superman TAS and Justice League) but in Mo S he was raised to not get involved and to let people die for no good reason. And don't get me started on the body count left by Bats in BvS again, they don't show how he got so broken as to break his _only_ rule, no killing. People have read and loved these characters for decades, yet with MoS and BvS we get elseworlds interpretations advertised as the real thing.
Man of steel was great it's better than Superman returns! That movie was boring I keep falling asleep on it.
"Which means hopefully Superman gets to punch somebody."
Yeah, about that...........
2:00 "He's six feet under!" 😆
Most people miss the point of Singer's Superman. It's okay to not like it. But at least understand what you dislike.
Enlighten us.
@@topnewshits902 it's a Sequel to Superman II, ignoring the events of Superman III & IV, if you watch it together with the first two it's pretty good.
i literally just put this man's talks on in the background while i do productive things. i just love listening to this man talk.
Why is he wearing a trench coat and shorts? Actually those are SHANTS. LOL
well if it ever flooded, his pant cuffs would be as dry as a bone!
Jorts.
Because looking like a flasher is funny but being a flasher is not. Kevin goes for the funny.
They’re Jorts
Maybe it's too show off those skinny legs. With the beer belly, it looks like he can barely support his own weight, 🤣🤣
People complain about Superman killing Zod in MoS, but they seem to forget(or didn't know) he killed Zod in the comics and in Superman II as well
He didn't kill Zod in Superman II, he put them back into the phantom zone.
@Mr O There's a deleted scene where Zod, Ursa and Non are arrested by arctic police.
Underneath the fortress of solitude is the artic ocean people. Zod and his buddies froze to death. Superman killed them. Awesome scene.
@@Lost_n_Found_1 they all fell into a pit... as mortals... they are dead.
Mr O
In the Donner Cut, Superman reverses time again and we see the villains go back into the Phantom Zone
'When did you rape me superman?'
Iconic line.
I had the honor of playing Christopher Reeve's character in "noises off". It was an excellent show and incredible. I was Superman. Not my favorite, but an honor. Watch the movie. But the play is way better. Guys, take your lady to the theatre. Trust me
I've seen the film version of Noises Off multiple times, it's fun.
Back when Kevin didn't shill
"is that dude in a wheelchair??? i rest my fucking case"
fucking love this guy so so much
Its still considered bad manners to mock the disabled or the dead...especially so soon after either one happens to them.
At least he's actually criticizing a film. Unlike these days where he loves everything.
Word.
@@Dyler its not politically correct to criticize hollyweird now lol
Actually he’s said that he only likes to talk about movies he likes now.
I get that you wanna hear him be honest about what he likes and dislikes but, he's famous. If he talks shit on like suicide squad, someone who worked on that movie is likely a fan of Clerks who says "Awe man Kevin Smith say he hates this think I worked on, he's my hero". Idk if that happened it would probably make you feel bad about it and put you in a bad mood.
Alsoalso it's just as easy to lift up as it is to tear down, why would he waste energy tearing people down when he can (try) to lift em up...
The impression I got the entire movie was that Lois knew 100% that Jason was Superman's son, but she didn't know (yet or for sure) he had super strength. When Lex suspects his parentage and waves the Kryptonite in Jason's face, she is obviously lying when she says that Richard is the father. Even Richard seemingly has his suspicions, at least that they slept with each other, as seen when he asks Lois about the "Night I spent with Superman" article.
I don't know about why people hate this movie, but I am confused on what Superman Returns was supposed to be. It does have great ideas (I especially love the scene of Superman floating in space listening to the whole planet), but it does not deliver on them entirely.
And come on, Warner Bros.! Use a new villain already!
Emo Superman for the entire film
Man of Steal's Superman: "Hold my Beer" 🍺
Daaaaaamn Kevin, back at it again with the white vans
I miss that meme
10+ years on, I can appreciate it for what it was, a love letter to the Donner franchise.... And yet, when I saw it as a kid, I vividly remember being bored out of my fucking skull.
Lmao off... the shuttle scene was alright? That was some of the best superman content ever
And pretty much ruined by homelander
This is widely ahead of it's time, by the way.
To be fair: in the comics, there was a long period where Superman’s powers expanded as needed.
I cant help but like this guy. Great guy. Loved Dogma. Amazing movie.
I like any movie that has Matt Damon and Ben Affleck acting together. They were childhood friends and they act off of each other so well. Good Will Hunting is still one of their best.
yes he might be bitter that WB got rid of his script, but you gotta admit he points out a lot of the big mistakes on superman returns. I agreed with everything
Man of Steel is the Superman film they should have done in O6 taking advantage of the technology we have and still maintaining rich characters with depth.
Shoveler: Oh, don't start that again! Lance Hunt wears glasses. Captain Amazing doesn't wear glasses.
Mr. Furious: [Long-suffering] He takes them off when he transforms.
Shoveler: That doesn't make any sense. He wouldn't be able to see!
I loved that scene.
@@Braktooth lots of quote worthy scenes in that movie
I used to make fun of Kevin Smith for how he dressed but I heard an interview where he admitted he has body shamed himself his entire life and then I just felt bad for him. He dressed that way out of embarrassment. :(
So happy to see him much healthier these days.
If you dissect the film you see that he wasn't trying to recreate the film, Superman was trying to recapture something he lost. The movie was great and depicted Superman as it should have.
-A fan since long before Doomsday-
I still think the '78 Superman is the best Superman film ever made and Superman doesn't throw a punch in that one either. While I enjoyed Man of Steel, Superman's heroics don't hinge on violence the way they do for other superheroes. Superman Returns was a flawed film, but not for the reason Smith gives. The biggest problem with Superman Returns, in my mind, was its reverence to '78 Donner film. See, Richard Donner made a film that was steeped in Superman mythology. He gave us a straight-faced take on Krypton and Jor-El and Lara, on Smallville and Clark's coming of age, the Fortress of Solitude, then Superman's rescues in Metropolis and squaring off with Lex Luthor. Yeah it gets way cheesy, but the point is, Donner dug deep into Superman lore to create an epic Superman film. Singer didn't dig into Superman lore. He dug into the Donner films. Donner showed reverence to the Superman source material. Singer showed reverence to Donner. THAT was the breakdown.
This is perfect
Part of the problem was that they messed with the formula. The Lois/Clark dynamic was totally changed, the father/child relationship never quite came together and Superman felt more disconnected in general. Some of it made sense, Lois had moved on after five years, but the chemistry wasn't there anymore and nothing came forward to replace it.
Well, Reeve's Superman never threw a single punch in "Superman the Movie", either.
And it still worked perfectly!!
His Superman was just more full of joy and confident, had more charisma and a positive outlook...
Superman Returns was definitely boring.
I know MOS has divided critics and fans alike, but I like the movie.
LORDUnLuCkY13 agreed
If Superman punched anyone, he'd kill them, hence why he doesn't punch anyone.
Thus lies a big issue with writing for Superman and his villains. You either make them as OP or more. And in doing that there's nothing to stop that opposing force.
Boring.
He punches people in Superman II, and when he finally does kill someone he doesn't even punch them.
@@mickeye6428 Those people he punched were Kryptonians, and if you're talking about the diner scene, he had given up his powers at that point.
@@Lost_n_Found_1 He fights more than just Kryptonians and there are two diner scenes. He still punches people.
I wasn't fond of Superman returns either.
However,Smith is wrong about the rescue scene of the jet & space shuttle./
It was spectacular.
Loneliness is not a trait of Superman, and that was my biggest problem with this movie. Superman is so disconnected from people in this film, and yet that isn't who Superman is from the comics and it wasn't Christopher Reeve's Superman. What makes Superman so human is the fact that he comes from a world that was so ahead of us and yet he lives among us as if he's one of us. That's what makes Superman the most human of superheroes. This movie just didn't have that or Reeve's characterization.
Superman Returns is seriously underrated
dantemaycry89 Any live action movie post Reeve is really
No, its really not
Star Trek TMP is.
For real. I enjoyed it. My only complaint is that he should have actually died sacrificing himself.
Susano -wo that was going to happen in Superman Lives before that got scrapped.
i'm sorry but superman returns is a badass movie. just re-watched it the other day. loved it as much as i did as a kid when i saw it in theaters
I liked Superman Returns. I always have, I just thought the good stuff in it was always enough to overshadow the bad, but within the context of seeing Man of Steel I grew a whole new appreciation for it. In terms of tone, the Chris Reeves Superman movies and the Zac Snyder versions are polar opposites with the Reeves movies being incredibly corny and the Snyder film taking itself way too seriously. Yet through these extremes they both hit a very similar problem: Plausibility. The Reeves films were too goofy to be considered close to reality with a bit of dated dialogue as well as outlandish solutions to problems like reversing the earth's rotation. The Snyder film tried to be a little closer to realism, but that illusion was shattered because of Superman's incompetence as a hero lot's of smaller logic gaps like sacrificing your life in a storm for a friggin dog. Point is, the common complaint among fans is that the Reeves films are overly goofy and the Snyder film is overly dark and pretentious.
Superman Returns, in my opinion, hit's the perfect balance. It's got the colorful wonder and enchantment you can find in any Superman comic like saving a falling shuttle and being impervious to a gun turret's barrage of bullets, but it also addresses character weakness in Superman FAR better then Man of Steel did. Take for instance the premise: Superman hears that there may very well be remains of Krypton left, and so he goes away for a while to try and find it only to come back empty handed. This leaves him initially depressed because he thought he could finally go back to his routes only to find out he is still terribly alone. But through this realization he remembers that he still has a home amongst the people of earth and that he still has the opportunity to use his incredible powers to do great things. This ties in greatly with his conflict of Kryptonian versus human. Not only that, but it's puts Lois in understandable emotional denial because she just can't believe Superman would up and leave like that. The years without Superman's presence prove uneventful and so she comes to a decision that the world didn't need him. Superman proves her wrong by taking her on a flight and saying "You say the world doesn't need a savior . . but every day I hear someone crying for one". This is great development that the Reeves movies didn't have and the Snyder film failed at executing properly. It shows how Superman's absence hurt Lois even though she tries to deny it and now that he's back she can't help but feel whole again even though she's denying that too. It also proves to be great commentary on the idea of humanity needing a savior (Superman is ALWAYS great commentary for that).
The movie is about Superman discovering his place in humanity once more, and it's very satisfying because it's got all the enchantment of the Reeves films but brings to the table a surprising look at Superman the reeves films never really offered.
@Thomas van Kampen This definitely didn’t age well 😂🤣😂
She wrote the 'I spent the night with superman' article though, it was referenced in the film.
I guess X-3 was better because more stuff got blown up? Other than that, it was awful, too.
I'M THE JUGERNAUT BITCH!!!
MIKELIN8 I mean I get where he’s coming from. These are superhero movies. They’re supposed to entertain and Superman Returns didn’t really entertain. X3, as shitty as it was, was the more entertaining movie if you walk into it understanding that the guy who directed Rush Hour is directing it, not Bryan Singer. If a movie opts to not be entertaining, it should at least be moving. Shawshank Redemption, Schindler’s List, they’re not there to entertain you, they’re there to make you feel something deep down. I figure that’s what Bryan Singer was going for in Superman Returns, but Superman just isn’t the character for that
If you think X-3 was bad.....Try Dark Phoenix
jb111082 They both suck on ALL levels. Plus the real reason why Dark Phoenix is failing is because of Disney buying Fox, who distributes it!
Smith must have seen a different movie than I did (or all that weed changed his perception) because I got the impression Lois clearly remembered her affair with Superman and in Singer's original cut, she covers for Superman when James Marsden notices how much Clark looks like him (both examples of what Singer ditched from Superman II and what he kept).
Its pretty clear to me that she knew her son was Superman's but she didn't know how much Kryptonian DNA affected him (or did Smith forget the scene where Lex, suspecting her son's parentage, waves kryptonite in his face and watches for a reaction?)until he threw that piano at the thug(or is Smith assuming the "Superman's Babysitter" strip is officially canon, now?).
It does illustrate the biggest dark cloud that Superman Returns had for me months before it was released: Singer's slavish adherence to Superman II despite the fact it was around 30 years old and all the inanities in it (the Magic Amnesia Kiss included).
Seriously, when you're trying to sell a movie to, primarily, a young general audience, you shouldn't assume that they've watched a movie that was made decades before most of them were born and know it by heart!
Singer's Superman II is a great example of what happens when a Fanboy gets waaaay too focused on his favorite version of a Franchise Character and doesn't care if the audience doesn't share his views!
To quote another Franchise's famous tagline: "With great power comes great responsibilty." Singer was given great power with the Superman Franchise but he acted without responsibility. And thus it is best to think of Superman II as a one shot Elseworlds issue
You can call it "art' if it generates an emotional response in a person
obviously in your case it did so, so it can't be all bad,even if not all good
glad the film touched you in a positive way, congrats on being a dad
hope you and son enjoy many geek movies together !
Superman returns is brilliant
If they were dove tailing off Superman 2, then remember Clark and Lois had slept together in the Fortress.
If you watch the Richard Donner cut of Superman 2, it all makes much more sense
Yeah while Zod was destroying a village lol
Yeah, but if someone only knew the theater cut, they'd be clueless, too.
but then Supes erased her memory of them being together. so she doesn't know they had sex.
he's a movie director and writer, his opinions are educated ones....he makes awesome movies and hes funny and witty to boot
minus the wheel chair, or casket whatever
Damn I love these videos of Kevin Smith just talking
I loved superman returns. Tbe only crap was luthor in another land scheme. But Brandon routh was good
To each his own I guess, I thought it was horrible.
Right on, Kevin Smith!
"He's dead." "Oh, right."
When I saw Cavil in that film Immortals, and he's standing there with his large red flowing cloak at some point in the film, I thought, THERE'S !! your new Superman. Then after my girlfriend calls me as says - guess who's the next Superman, I didn't even hesitate to guess who it was. It was Cavil. And I wasn't even surprised. He's the perfect choice!!
ah yes, the days when Kevin Smith was honest about his thoughts on movies as supposed to pleasing his friends in the industry
No. Even the worst DCEU or MCU is still miles better than Superman Returns. Also the heart attack and large amounts of weed have changed his outlook on life. "Better to light a candle than curse the darkness" is a quote he uses alot when it comes to pop culture nowadays.
Cancel culture is the worst
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme Not everything is cancel culture.
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme ok, that has nothing to do with these comments, but cry anyway
opposed
Problem is that everyone bitched about Superman Returns being boring as hell cos Superman doesn’t throw a punch then bitched because in Man Of Steel there’s “too much action and fighting”.
People suck.
That's because superman fanboys are dumbasses stuck on nostalgia who don't know what they want
I loved Superman Returns.
fRo0tLo0p - Me too... has a slightly darker tone than the Reeves era, but much better than Man of Steel.
Kevin Smith should just be a full time Comic Book Stand Up Comedian
Does Kevin Smith wear anything that's not huge shorts & trenchcoats?
Jerseys and huge shorts
Scream print shirts and blazers
I’ve never seen him without a jersey and backwards cap till now
Everybody that was there on this night was truly living in the moment. I know it was the nineties, but there’s no phones or cameras in their hands. They’re watching and listening. Being completely respectful for the man on stage.
This was shot in August 2007, after the release of the iPhone.
His Kyrptonite is not being able to form a sentence without swearing.
7:14 - Why would Lois question when she and Superman did the deed? If he's as big a Superman fan as he claims, he'd know that they did it in the Fortress in Superman II.
Because her memory was erased so she would have no recollection of it
I love Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Reminds me of 2001: A Space Odyssey.
If you’ve seen 2001 a space odessey you know for a fact that movie had no story whatsoever
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme It had a story. It was stretched a bit thin, but it had a story.
You are correct Sir! How could Kev not know that? I remember it creeping me out as a kid, just imagining Superman's "O"
face XP
This whole clip is awesome, but really didn't need to include Christopher Reeve bad remarks.
Seriously. It was a low blow.
Really? It was the only part I enjoyed 🤣
Totally uncalled for.
You know what other movie has a Superman that doesn't throw a single punch? Richard Donner's original 1978 "Superman" movie. Still the best Superman movie, possibly the best comic book movie ever made.
Am I wrong? It's been at least a year since I've seen it so I could be forgetting an instance. If I am, please describe it so I can revise my assertion. Thanks all.
"Superman doesn't really have that power in the comics"
Only because he hasn't tried it yet bro.
He was singing the theme to Next Generation for a film based on the original series. Or did the first film use the NG theme, I can't remember?
Superman Returns isn't that bad. It's a much more coherent film than Man of Steel that's for sure.
Dude, you're fucking crazy.
The biggest flaw of Man of Steel is the fact that Clark never faces any consequences for killing Zod and allowing Metropolis to be levelled it’s completely inaccurate and unjustified as an ending to the what was largely a great movie with a new interpretation of Kal - El
All Snyder can do is make a coherent universe and you pull that off too?
Concreteowl I think this is a common thing that happens with people. When a shitty movie comes out and then later a n even shittier movie comes out, we tend to think the previous one wasnt that bad when in reality theyre both terrible
Superman returns ruled!
I know this mostly off topic, but I like Henry Cavill as Superman. I wish we could see him being Superman away from Zack Snyder's horrid directing.
+Pale Horse I'm not so sure it's his directing, it's the writing, whoever that is. I like Snyder's visuals, he's a visonary don't get me wrong. But in both the movies he's done with superman, the writers or whoever don't quite know what to do with superman. Cuz in BvS he just kinda mopes about and then dies and in the first one its y'know an origin story so it's just introducing him. I did like the idea of him killing thought it was an interesting take on the character it was something new, but his guilt for having to kill was never addressed in BvS (that I can remember, correct me if I'm wrong) and the first thing we see superman do is straight up kill a man! Or put him in the ICU anyway.
I'm just not sure they know what to do with Superman. Get someone on board who knows about superman like Max landis for example. As controversial as he is, he knows superman and writes good superman stories and he is a screenwriter. Get him in and ask him what's what with superman.
But whatever I couldn't make that movie. Like if Zack Snyder came up to me with a time machine, took me back to day 1 of pre-production and said "you fuckin make it then" I'd cry and pee myself.
Or maybe I'd make a cool film but probably not.
+Jak MP Ha ha, good ending. I do agree that the writing is lacking and inconsistent. It sounds like we disagree on Zack Snyder's directing, and that's fine. I feel like every movie he's directed since 300 are dominated by the same gray, brown, and black coloration and are typically more style over substance.
+Pale Horse oh no that's completely what I was saying haha. style style style. I do kinda dig the visuals though. you can't deny he does cool visuals. but beyond that not much
+Jak MP Yeah, he does sometimes. I thought 300 was good overall, and it had a ton of great visuals. Sucker Punch was cool to look at, and not always just for the pretty girls in hot outfits.
Henry Cavil is a great Superman though for sure
Kevin Smith, pay attention to movies when you watch them:
1. Lois DID know her son was Superman's. You can see it in the nonverbal performance when she's around both her son and Superman. She just didn't know how or if to tell him, until the end.
2. In Superman II, both the theatrical version and the Donner Cut, Superman and Lois "do the deed" at the Fortress of Solitude." That was when her son was conceived.
Did Kevin not see the Donner cut of Superman II, as soon as he had his powers taken away he nailed lois
He nailed her in both versions. That was a dumb question he raised.
@@cristonsloan He also erased her memory by kissing her
Yes we know that he had sex with her. THEN HE WIPED HER MEMORY… Therefore she should be wondering where her superman like kid came from you fucking morons that’s the point he was making you idiots. He clearly acknowledges that the events of superman two happen that they had sex and that he wiped her memory that’s what makes it illogical that Lois is just fine with having Superman’s baby since she wouldn’t remember ever having sex with him. You guys are seriously dense. What’s worse is you think you’re smart.
evilSWA - beyond pandora films So glad you said this. You’re 100% on point! He bangs her, and then wipes her memory. Fast forward to her kid throwing a piano across the room. Her reaction should have been something along the lines of “WTF did Superman do to me?!”
Back when Smith was honest about movies and didn't shill for every single thing that came out.
Star Trek: The Motion Picture tried to be 2001: A Space Odyssey.
If I remember correctly the Donner cut of SM2 does not have Superman wipe her memory and I believe that’s what Singer was going off of because once WB released the donner cut they made that the official version.