Things were hard enough back in 03 when I quit driving otr. I can only imagine what conditions are today. Hats off to every trucker who has the capacity to deal with all of the obstacles that they have in their daily lives.
F*** you. I've been side swiped by a stupid ass-hole truck driver that drove 18 hours straight. Are there any intelligent drivers left nowadays? Trust FAUX NEWS to interview a total ass-hole driver.
I believe there is more of a shortage of good jobs for truckers that actually pay well with decent benefits. The gov't is permitting more visas from people from the Middle East to work for dirt wages. This is true is places like Maine.
He'd also be ready to leave the industry if they discontinued his favorite steer tire. We're all on the cusp of leaving. All the time. Then payday rolls around and we're like oh well I guess it ain't that bad. Lol.
We TRUCKERS are literally the only force behind this country!!!! WE STOP.....THE COUNTRY COMES TO A HALT! WE ARE THE BLOOD OF THIS NATIONS HEART!! SHOW US THE RESPECT WE DESERVE!!
@King First You have proven that you have no idea what you're talking about. Have some knowledge on a topic before you hurl insults at the 3 million men and women who literally brought you everything you own. Trucking was safer BEFORE hours of service regulation. And the fault of collisions between semis and passenger vehicles are attributed to the driver of the passenger car to the tune of 83%, despite the law and lawyers doing everything in their power to blame the truck driver. The average distance driven per at-fault accident for a passenger car driver is 166,000 miles. For a truck driver, well over 1,000,000. The only reason you think truck accidents are so common is because they ALWAYS get more media attention.
@@Dwade-nk9wc Exactly? Going on almost 26 years of trucking experience and probably about 2million miles give or take. I have never been the cause of the few accidents I was involved in Every one of them were caused by someone in an automobile being either in a hurry doing something stupid or weather related aka someone spinning out in front of me. The actual regulations and how the majority of how drivers are paid are what create an unsafe environment. The industry as a whole is paid by piece work aka mileage based pay or percentage pay or by the load pay. So what happens is that some drivers feel to make a living they have to run stupidly because of someone holding them up like a shipper or receiver or a rail yard or a port. So in reality the safety of the industry falls on the governments lack of knowledge of how the industry actually works. In the federal workers rights law there is an antiquated law that says that transportation workers are exempt from overtime pay. Motor Carriers Employees of motor carriers (those who provide transportation by motor vehicle for pay) are exempt from overtime under the FLSA if the U.S. Secretary of Transportation has the power to regulate their minimum qualifications and maximum hours of service under the Motor Carrier Act. To be exempt, the employee’s duties must include performing activities that affect safety on a motor vehicle driven on public highways in interstate or foreign commerce. The employee must work as a driver, driver’s helper, loader, or mechanic. This is a major contributor to many of the accidents where a commercial vehicle is involved along with trying to comply with the overburdening government regulations which magnify the issues. If you have @king first talking to your comment have never been in the industry or have no idea of how the transportation industry does business you have no right to comment. I suggest KING FIRST you actually do some research on the transportation industry before commenting.
ACTUALLY IM A TRUCK DRIVER, HES RIGHT ABOUT THE CLOCKS , QUALCOM, LETS YOU DRIVE 11HRS. ONLY THEN YOU GET A VIOLATION WARNING. UNLESS ITS AN EMERGENCY LIKE THE BRIDGE OR ROAD IS OUT OR YOUR HEADED TO A STOP AND MASSIVE TRAFFIC PREVENTS YOU FROM PULLING OFF FOR A SAFE PLACE TO PARK. THE LOCKS ARE THERE TO PREVENT THE DRIVER FROM FALLING ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL . THATS ALL. TYPICAL TRUCK DIVERS WORK 70HR WEEKS UP TO 14 HRS A DAY ......ONLY. THEN YOU DO A RECAP THE NEXT WEEK WERE YOUR ONLY ALOUD TO WORK AS MANY HOURS THE DAYS OF THE WEEK PRIOR, EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO PARK 36 STRAIGHT TO REGENERATE THE 70 HOURS.....BUT IF SHIPPERS OR RECEIVERS ARE LATE LOADING OR UNLOADING YOU HEN YOU RUN INTO TIME CRUNCHES ......YOU CAN NOT BE IN 2 PLACES AT ONCE ......EVERY TRUCK IS KINDA LIKE A SHIP AS THE DRIVER YOUR THE CAPTAIN OF THE SHIP BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW REGULATIONS , AND FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS THAT DIFFER TO WHERE YOUR AT.
ChiBot bull chit elog or draw a line has nothing to do with safety I draw a line on paper or push a button does not mean safe driving 32 years driving not one accident not one ticket on paper logs
Er...no....I rub shoulders with real truck drivers 8) The e-log system is a bureaucrats wet dream but a disaster for a human being doing things. I have experienced similar systems in the IT world and they are a human relations disaster...
Truckers deliver everything we use. I’ve even delivered a baby. These regs are just not going to work the way they are intended to. The industry says they need thousands and thousands of drivers. Does the industry know how hard it is to find parking for all those rigs? Short parking, bad food, shit dispatchers and idiot owners.
Bob Sullivan I know, but the Trooper was like “You know how to do this, Go ahead really do it” I was a Special Forces medic for a few decades. So I guess he was willing to let that infraction go, the terrorized look on his face was precious. I asked him “Hay, kid, you want I should bail you out” my lord it was so funny.
Rusty Climber Assuming freight demand stays the same, rail simply moves the truck demand from long haul to local. Trains rarely pull right up to warehouse and store doors.
Am a truck. Driver and he is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT !!! You are expected to be in bunk time if you are held up for hours!!! Truckers are always under stress and always dashing to beat the clock !! This guy doesn't have enough experience to work the system !!!! Believe me I could wake up spend 2 hrs on duty get to a shipper be detained 8 hrs and boss will say well you should have been resting !!! Really ??? 2 hours after I got up I'm expected to go back to sleep in order to run all night ?? This life is a hell nobody can keep up with unless you can sleep anywhere any time and be awake for days on end too!!! Sorry my body just crapped out trying to keep up !! It's totally insane !!! I stayed with it for almost 10 years and then I completely snapped !! Burnt out ! And body just quit ! I didn't care about anything anymore ! Safety for load good safety for driver ...well company just don't give a rats ass !! As long as that load is safe and on time !!! You being able to have a life other than your job is non existent!!! And when you do get time off you spend the entire time preparing to get back on the truck with clean clothes rest and food for a couple days !!! Average days off a month is 3 if you are over the road ! Sickening to think about ! Honestly unless you are very efficient and very structured you will not make it as a driver !
that is exactly what happened to me I got burned out and don't care no more I haven't drove the truck for 9 months still recovering my health got really bad
I used to be an OTR truck driver but quit because of the stress of trying to comply with all of those ridiculous regulations. I loved the occupation but hated the DOT breathing down my neck all the time so I quit. I went to electrician school and became a journeyman electrician which payed a lot more and no stress and great benefits. I really feel sorry for over the road truckers!
Most of the companies truckers deliver to do not allow you to sleep with your 10-hour break on their property so it is frustrating as a driver to find out if safe location to gain your hours of service back all the regulations is killing the business
22 Years on the road never drove tired until the E-logs came along.They took a bite out of my paycheck and forced me to drive tired.Had to say good bye to an industry I loved. Thanks Uncle Sam....
Look at all the people in the comment section who don't know what they are talking about. If you don't know anything about OTR, driving semi, or E-logs you can just stuff it as far as I'm concerned. Nothing this man said is untrue. E-logs (absurd DOT logs/regulations in general) blow and are one of the biggest problems in the industry today.
Really? I ran e-logs for a long time (have you?) before I gave up on them and started my own business outside of the trucking industry. The trucking industry has been regulated to death for solo drivers. The only way you can make decent money is if you team a truck which is what I wasn't willing to do. Have you ever heard the saying that the path to hell is paved with good intentions? Well this is the same thing. While I will agree with you that the regs are steeped with good intentions they have a serious negative side effect in the sense that they don't allow flexibility. As for renegade truckers? The statistics and studies don't lie. The ATA released a study that proved that 80% of all car/semi accident were directly caused by the car, NOT the semi driver. Semi drivers are overwhelmingly safe drivers when compared to car drivers yet they get the brunt of the blame. Take YOUR ignorance and shove it as far as I'm concerned.
Alpha1 Omega2, that is hilarious, are you really so naïve to think that Washington really cares? EVERYTHING is about the dollar, you have certain groups that waltz down to K street and then K street waltzes up to some congressman with a boat load of money and then they have you taking your wallet out. Now after everything is put in to place, you need money, just stop a truck you can always find something wrong. People like P.A.T.T ought to be ashamed of themselves controlling an industry over someone's death, how many people have been killed by trucks that were perfectly legal, all it takes is 2 nit wits on the same road, you are worried about renegades, inexperience is a much bigger problem simply because there are so many new drivers, and the industry has proven anyone can drive a truck, at least until the shit goes down. Let me just sum this up, you are the perfect clown.
Marty Marsh; Your lawn? That's a bit of a stretch. However if you are getting paid for it, and it can be proven, then yes. If you are logged as line 1 (off-duty) and take a job (any job) outside of that truck, even on your time off from that truck, even if it's just mowing your neighbors lawn for $10, then you violate your federal logs. One thing people fail to understand is the moment you get a CDL your life is now logged. For instance, even though I no longer drive commercially I still hold a Class A CDL. Why give it up? I went to school for it and I drove for many years OTR and I may use it one day again. But even I still must report to the DOT every time I renew my license what my driving status has been. I don't have to turn in logs anymore, per say, but it is still logged in a sense as being perpetually as "off-duty intrastate" status under my online MVR. Since my hours of service never gets activated I don't have to worry about violating any hours of service rules though through working at my business.
They talked about in the news program, are you really mowing your lawn on your 10 hour break, I would bet no ever gets close enough to home to do that except maybe a local guy. As far as your days off, you can do what ever you want, paid or not. You can even drive someone else's truck, if you have the hours.
Joey Fla I am usually for regulations and laws however the elog definitely is impacting my driving not in a good way I drive faster ,I drive when I am tired
Fuckin right they do they are not about saftey Accdent and fatality rate up 37% since they bern forced on the industry .. companies now use ELD agenst lease opps and owner opps as well ..
Pretty crazy! A politician can work all day in Washington, then go home load his family in a car and take off for Disney world on vacation. Where's the regulations on safety there???? Government is one sided.
All these regs come from companies and drivers who bilked the industry years ago with 2 sets of books. One for the salary, the other for taxes. Diesel used to be half the price of gas. No wonder congress put the highway taxes in the diesel fuel. They knew what was going on.
Im a retired Over the Road Truck Driver and I see no problem with 11 0n and 10 off for 10 yrs b4 retiring in 2013 With Landstar my Last 7 as an Owner Operator and made 6 figures every yr
He is incorrect. You can do what you want on your off duty time as long as ur not getting paid/working. Any driver that is fined other wise should take it to court.
Your commute time in your personal car to get to the truck is "technically" on duty, not driving. I know, law enforcement is gonna have a hard time proving it. If you are washing your truck or changing the oil, both o. Your own, that is, again, "technically" on duty, not driving.
@@claytonscheiber3493 actually driving from truck to home and from home to truck is off duty personal time. Oil change and truck bath would definitely be on duty none driving because it benefits the company you work for and should be paid.
This is what happens when individuals that dont even drive a car, legislate laws that bind up commercial driving. Solution? Toss the keys and wait until there's a crisis of toilet paper. When people and politicians can't wipe their asses, they'll deregulate ignorant laws and allow free commerce.
Pretty soon all these truck drivers are gonna be like fuck it! And then you will see all these regs disappear. All they would have to do strike and it wouldn't last one day! These truck drivers would get what they want in no time.
Big companies buying the lawmakers who enforce laws that make the owner ops miserable this forcing you to shut down. So hipocritcal when emergency personal can work 24 hours cops with guns and firefighters and medics but drivers who most most part sit all day cannot. High standard of straight hipocracy
Customers should all be made to have spaces available to park far a 10 hr break. And there are new young drivers who are dangerous that know nothing just to fill a seat. The pay needs to be increased to attract better drivers. It is a hard life and if you think not try it for a year. Odds are you will not make it beyond 6 months.
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In the 20,000+ miles I have driven my 5th wheel in the last 9 months I have seen truckers swerving across lanes asleep, I've seen lots of trucks run off the roads crashed in median cables, truckers refusing to let others lane shift for accidents, truckers parked in RV parking at fuel stops, staying at rest stops longer than legal causing me to have to drive nearly 18 hrs due to not being able to even pull into packed rest stops, trucks forcing others off the road. Having said all that my grandfather was a trucker for 35yrs driver of the year 6yrs in a row, and my wife worked as a dispatcher and router. There are a lot of good truckers out there and without them our country would come to a grinding halt there needs to be some kind of sit down nationwide because there are a lot of dangerous trucks out there and it won't get any better raising pay or get rid of some of these regulations it will just make higher paid idiots that do the same crap, y'all need higher standards for drivers not more regulation. Pay according to the driver not increase pay just to "attract" better drivers thats just stupid.
Clueless Fox "News" takes talking points from a guy who wants to work 20hrs a day, and talks about regulations and couldn't point out 1 in four mins that worked against him. More accidents and deaths from tired drivers is why regulations are needed. It doesnt matter if he waited 10 hrs for a load. You only get so many per day. Will he argue with a pilot carrying 200 souls on an airplane who runs out of hours?
People will jump down my throat about this. But, he is right. Running elogs always had me in a mad dash hurry, which stressed me out immensely. That was a huge factor of why I decided to go local, to a company that won't even touch elogs. I am a responsible adult, I know my limitations of when I am too tired to sleep. I didn't need a Qualcomm to tell me when I needed to drive, or sleep. I have no desire to come back OTR till this ELD crap blows over.
SOA ZIPPER this was 8 months ago you were saying your company wouldn't touch ELD'S. Well how do you like them now that if its a truck its got a log in it?
your lack of trip planning and inability to stand up to a dispatcher caused that , not elogs. qualcomm does'nt do anything a legal log book does'nt do.
circusboy90210 your lack of trip planning drove you into being a full time employee of the circus. That's why I will,never believe anything you say about e logs
Lol no we are not this has been talked about for a long time and never happens and never will but i don't care i make 6 figures a year driving even with eld's so im not complaining
The ass-hole on Fox is as stupid as they come. What a fuc**** shit head. He sits on his fuc*** brains like the dumber ass-hole he's talking to. What a pair of moronic shit heads.
Pilots for airlines have strict hours of service rules, strict rest rules. every once in a while you hear of an airliner that has been stuck waiting to take off having to return to the gate because the crew doesn't have enough hours left to complete the flight. Also, people who operate trains have strict hours of service rules. Know what the difference is? They are not paid the same way as truck drivers. Truck drivers are exempt from federal wage laws because it is unskilled labor. The entire trucking industry is built on drivers breaking the law to make more money. I just logged at 65 mph, very little time on line 4. If I were at a dock doing a unload I would log off duty not driving rather than on line four, like it was supposed to be logged. If you logged perfectly legal you would be broke. Same way as if you did a real pre-trip inspection. Teamsters operate under the same exact rules, and you don't hear them complain, but they are also paid an hourly wage of about $19.00 an hour to start, and get mileage pay. Try and convince a driver to join the Teamsters, good luck.
I commend You Matthew, thanks for bringing up the over regulation issue!! I have been in this industry on the civilian side for over 20 years. Not mention starting in the military over seas first!! Your frustration is felt industry wide!! Go brother Go. Asking someone to go and hire a driver partner should never be the only alternative to making a living out here on the open road!! There are many problems with taking that on. Like, imagine living in a oversized broom closet with someone for a week once!! Only getting out to fuel, going to the bathroom, or possibly eating, if not done while still moving!!! Now along with that you must remember folks. This is their life..... week after week after week!!! This is not just a way of life once in a while!! This is all year. !! There are fights between drivers after a while. With no where to get away farther than a long arms length from one another!! I make no excuses for the industry I love and have made my career out of!! However, big brother is about to enact regs on us that makes it just about impossible to make a decent living out here any more!! All the missed Hollidays, birthdays and the likes!! It has to be worth the sacrifice or we as drivers will go by the wayside. Faster than the self driving trucks will do to us in the not so distant future anyways. !! Just saying!!!! Good luck out there future drivers,, you'll need it believe you me!!
Blessedone333AZ yes drivers will be needed, my husbands work detail driving is only a small part of the job, there is maintenance, paperwork, delivery. AI can do a lot but a good ways to go yet. My husbands been driving almost 20 years, we know. :)
I love Fox: the "weekly world news" of video media. Logbook regulations have been in place for decades . Elogs were introduced with full public support because a few dummies failed spectacularly while ignoring the HOS rules. The only major addition recently is the half hour break rule, which is apparently hilariously impossible for some to work with.
That's because you are an employee if its not your truck. Minimum wage is going up then you need to get paid by the hour $40hr for every hour away from home. We live on the United States and its stupid that truckers are still getting paid by the mile not by the hour working for a trucking company! !!
The government is not the problem It is the shippers receivers, trucking companies getting rich off of free unpaid driver labor Truck driving is a rip off
I felt that i was way safer before them new regulations. When i was tired, i stopped in a rest area for a nap. Today, if you stop for 1/2 h or 1 or 2 hrs, to rest, it messes those 'clocks' and you won't be able to reach your client's delivery place. Then you are not tired, still, you have to stop to a forced rest ! Computers.... #$@!!$$#!
I said this before and I'll say it again. It's not the ELD's. It's the Hours of Service. If you ran legal on paper then it shouldn't make a difference on a ELD. It's the same thing. But the majority cheated on the paper logs. And when he says, If your stuck at the dock for 10 hours it messes with your hours. I say if your at the dock for 10 hours you better be on Sleeper Berth so you can run because you just got a 10 hour break. Duh!
@@chrisrhodes6489 only if your unloading your truck. Then you have to be on duty. But if your sitting in you truck waiting you can be on sleeper berth. Trust me he wasn't unloading his truck. Because if it took him 10 hours that's on him.
Truckers need to unite & strike. Like the Brazilian truck drivers are during in Brazil. Make them greatly alter the HOS rules, where they will benefit the trucker. Make them repeal the eld mandate & let it be a choice of the driver. Make them repeal all of these emissions junk, I'm all for the environment but when it becomes expensive, unpractical, & out right dangerous, that's a problem. If you really, want to do something for the environment make it federally legal to produce hemp for biodiesel, subsidize biodiesel & encourage it. Also to, make them lower petroleum diesel prices, through lowering the taxes on it. Lower & stop taxing truckers for every atomic thing.
Kobe Wade people cannot be trusted to do the right thing. ELD's were conceived because of assholes using two or more logs. As a result we as drivers have a system that forces us to be compliant. It is simple and takes a lot of work out of driving. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or is too stupid and needs to turn in their license asap!
I’m an ag driver, if e-logs get forced on us we won’t be making any money and the plants won’t have enough product to process, when the season picks up we gotta make it happen, and it’s always nice if you’re not tired to just get a few more loads in
I think we all get it it's about safety safety is very very important but there's also common sense and common sense says that if you're stuck in traffic if you're held up somewhere or people don't have your stuff ready for you all that it's going to create a big problem and it's going to create great stress on a driver who needs to get these things delivered on time. Example my drive home is 25 minutes but something goes wrong with the George Washington Bridge and you all been there my Dr at home becomes an hour two sometimes two hours I can only imagine the stress level this month put on the drivers and the difficulty of driving a big rig and a heavily congested area and looking at a clock running out! I'm sure that's a better way to do this.
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I get held up by construction quite often. Not REAL bad because I work at night but you just plan around it. Either extend your ETA or have an alternate route. If you run out of time, you have a sleeper. If you don't have a sleeper, your company has to either come get you or put you up in a hotel nearby. Not the end of the world.
Its hard for the general public to understand, if everyone had to do hourly service books in America, there would be a war. I did it for 8 years, that was enough.
On top of all of this regulations there is shipping and receiving offices that most of the time treat you like shit and don’t care about your appointment time, if you are on time sometimes you have to wait 4-5-6-10hoursand, if happens that you are late could be much worse than that.when you don’t make your delivery on time since you got stock because of shipping, delivery office doesn’t care at all why you are late and you have to wait for hours again... another thing is Brokers, bunch of liers who treat you as shit as well, push you to make it on time regardless of shipping long wait time etc it’s just very hard industry to work. I love to drive but I won’t stay in business for longer time
So true. I would love to pull over and shut my eyes as needed often when I'm driving, but that would run my clock out and I wouldn't make it to my destination without having to take 10 unpaid hours off the clock. You aren't allowed to sleep when you're tired. The clock never syncs with me when I need sleep. We work long hours one day and just a few the next. Driving destinations do not all take the same time to get to. I'll be forced to sit in my truck on an off ramp away from human conveniences wide awake, and then feel like going to bed when I'm allowed to drive again. The regulations are total horse shit. It's coming to point for me that I'm realizing that sleep deprivation is harming my health. Believe me I want to sleep when I'm tired. Sleep deprivation is used as a form of torture, and I know why. It's excruciating. I do it to myself to pay for a house I'm rarely at. The idiotic rules cause accidents, not prevent them. I've slammed on the brakes over hallucinations of stopped cars in front of me too many times to remember.
Many of us try to live eat and sleep healthy but it is not healthy to sit so much for anybody, a driver or a secretary. This doesn't even address the fumes and noise we are exposed to. @Stalinx20
You would be surprised what you inhale especially if you run your AC all night. No truck is air tight and the diesel fumes are thick in truck stops where half of the trucks are idling 24/7. It is even proven bad for kids riding a diesel BUS JUST TO SCHOOL. Then there are chems like formaldehyde and acetaldehyde and flame-retardants etc in the upholstery. You can't escape these driving and stopping at a crowded truck stop. Think about that the next time you have a headache. @Stalinx20
My next door neighbour does a regular run from Sydney to Melbourne,( because it is a regular run he can drive extra hours to complete the trip) on a trip he ran out of pages on his log book. So on a meal break he purchased a log book at a truck stop and had a meal. He stopped for a weigh bridge inspection and the inspector found the receipt for the log book coincided with his break and concluded that being purchased on a meal break constituted work and it should have been purchased on his work time. I think the fine was around $400 aus
What I want to know is, who is behind all this regulation? Somebody is buying the Congress/senate to get these regulations on the books.....who? Train co? Airlines? Who is the group pushing this
I really don't understand why the hours of service system is NOT flexible. How can you forcibly imply that because you are 'out' of hours that you must sleep, *even though you are not tired*? Let's say he does attempt to sleep but it takes forever to do so, as it often does when you aren't tired, and when he awakes he becomes groggy and fatigued from breaking his REM sleep in order to meet the time constraint of the HOS mandated window. How is this considered "safe"? Hours of service deprives drivers of their miles and time on a technicality of a continuously running clock with no exceptions and no input from drivers. I have a reimagined system of this same hours of service design. The driver can be on-duty 14 hours, the exact same, the driver can drive 11 hours, the exact same, the driver has to obey all existing rules like mandatory breaks and 34-hour resets like before. Do you want to know the difference? *NON-CONTINUOUSLY RUNNING CLOCK TIME* If the clock stops when you are not actually working then you could schedule your hours to avoid traffic, shipper/receiver delays, and so much more. The fact that your 14 hours is dwindling away *EVEN OFF-DUTY* is a travesty and a crime against truckers human right to rest and to work within the confines of a definable time period. As it stands now, truck drivers are slaves to the DOT to be on their schedule at all times and every day. This is the reason they demand that you do paper logs when off-duty and not even driving a truck or when you are at home. That's right. The DOT forces truck driver employees to work for free and by law or else their CDL will be cancelled and they will be fined tons of money. How is this humane? Bob has his full 14 hours and full 70 hours. Bob needs to deliver from point A to point B. Bob's trip is 1,000 miles and he is going to average 50 mph throughout the trip. Bob has to take his mandatory 30 minute break every 8 hours as well. Let's assume Bob doesn't need to use the bathroom or eat in this equation. If Bob drives 50 miles per hour, by hour 8 he will have driven 400 miles in 8 hours and must take his 30 minute break. The remaining time for him to continue working is 6 hours (14 hours - 8 driving hours = 6 hours left). However, after he takes his 30 minute break he actually has 5.5 hours left. So feeling refreshed from a short walk he continues on trucking. He makes it 3 hours towards his destination. Those 5.5 hours? 3 of those hours make him reach the max HOS limit for drive time (11 hours). The remaining 2.5 hours he can NOT drive by law. So Bob decides to sleep in the sleeper birth to rest up for 8 hours (the minimum allotted time for the sleeper birth to reset your hours). Everything seems fine and dandy correct? He drove he rested and now he has his hours refilled back to 14. Let's continue. He awakes and continues to drive for 8 hours (400 miles). He is now at 800 miles from point A and 200 from point B. Mandatory break of 30 minutes. Remaining hours are 5.5 hours. The actual remaining drive hours are 3 hours (remember you can only drive 11 hours, so 8 + 3 = 11). He continues driving the remaining 3 hours. Now Bob drove 150 miles in those 3 hours and must stop by law. He is now 950 miles from point A and 50 miles from point B. He is right on point B's doorstep. He CANNOT drive for the next 10 hours, assuming he is off-duty, or, for the next 8 hours, assuming he is sleeping in the sleeper birth. In this scenario he'll sleep the 8 hours. He is now awake with 14 hours and a short distance away from his stop. He drives the 50 miles in 1 hour (aka 50mph) and delivers the load. Did you notice something odd? How long does it take to go from point A to point B non-stop I wonder? 1,000 miles divided by 50 miles per hour is equal to 20 hours, less than a day. If we throw in the mandatory 30 minute break we gain 1.25 hours so we are at 21.25 hours from A to B. Let's add in the HOS drive time limit of 11 hours now. Mind you that the clock is continuously running unless you are off-duty or sleeping. This means that Bob has to either take a 10 hour consecutive off-duty or an 8 hour sleeper birth rest. Bob slept for 8 hours so now the new time is 21.25 + 8 hours = 29.25. That's not all. He did his first HOS rest break in the time frame allotted (21.25) and the remaining time was 10.25 so after driving *another* 11 hours he must stop and rest again. In this scenario he has a little cushion to continue on but the reality is he would have stopped and rested or ate etc. which would have ran his 14 hour clock down to zero. We are going to pretend he is as zero hours now. He is now legally obligated to take another 8 hour rest which brings his time from point A to point B to 37.25 hours. Now let's add in the HOS regulation for a 14 hour max on-duty (driving being considered part of the on-duty status). Since he used his remaining time post-driving for off-duty it doesn't count against his time so nothing changes. Now Bob is totaled at 37.25 hours for this *ONE* delivery to get from point A to B. Okay so what? Why does that matter? None of this seems wrong or bad for Bob. Wrong. This example did not include a realistic human example. Bob has a slight case of sleep apnea that is being treated but causes him to wake up in the middle of his 8 hour sleeper birth time. He found it hard to go back to sleep and only got 5 hours of actual rest. He still drove after such a bad and groggy sleep which put himself and others in danger because the weather is going to get bad in the area he is in currently. In order to not get stuck in his current location he keeps driving. Now when Bob reaches the next truck stop he absolutely *CANNOT* find a spot to park in and his is already out of hours and legally cannot drive on the roadways. He decides to illegally park on the shoulder near the exit and sleep. He gets a good rest from being exhausted. He continues on driving to his destination but guess what? It's morning traffic and som idiot decides to ruin everyone's day by speeding and causing a major accident about 15 miles up the interstate. There are no exits or loop arounds anywhere in sight. He only makes it so far before his hours start to dwindle away in 3-5mph traffic for the next 3-4 hours. He makes it to the general area of the city and the destination but once again after human needs and faults he finds himself stuck outside of the destination. Time for another long sleep but this time he isn't sleepy. He stays up watching hardcore German dungeon porn for a while and it lullabies him to sleep. He is at the receiver but lo and behold they are overcrowded and the schedule is being pushed out a day. You just invested 3-4 days into this one single load. Why? Hours of service regulations forcing the driver to drive, driver fatigue from trying to make up for lost productivity, no parking spaces available for commercial vehicles, and shippers/receivers who don't give a damn about their drivers who sweat blood and tears to get them their products. All of this being under the assumption that loads are ready, the weather is clear, DOT doesn't pull you over, tires don't blow out or the vehicle breaking down, minor accidents at a truck stop, and so much more. Now for the moral of this entire short story. You are getting paid the exact same wage for that one load. The HOS regulations don't care that you could have taken multiple other loads in those 3+ days and that for immensly more work and time invested you get no benefit to get it there early or on time other than you get to keep your job. Imagine working 72 hours one week and getting $900 for your multiple delivered loads. Now imagine working that same 72 hours but you experienced Bob's scenario, a semi-realistic scenario, but you only get $390 for that one load. How does that make you feel? Cheated? Abused? Disrespected? Poor? Lazy? Welcome to overregulation.
Actually gus yes you are good to go IF you were not handling freight and actually able to sit in the driver lounge at the shipper ( if one is provided) or in the sleeper. It would be classified as a 10 hour break. If you are handling freight, fueling, trip planning, communicating with dispatch then no. I am a class a driver and trainer as well as a former instructor at a trucking school.
@@raymondsmith7506 that is for true for owmer operators, with my company. I have to be "on duty" at all time on a shippers property. We primarily do drop and hooks, but i have been live loaded.
Many times when I'm on my 10-hr break, I'm into my fifth hour of my 10 hr break before I get to sleep which means I slept 5 hours. Some nights the number is 4 hrs of rest and other nights 2. After a string of several days like this, its not uncommon to hit the bunk in the middle of the day. And guess what, this time counts against your 14 hr on-duty time. This is insane and the rules need reform.
At some point drivers will have to be smart unify and park there rigs which will be the end of E logs and the start for better pay through out the industry.
The alternative is trucking in the pre 2000s. Taking drugs to drive 30 hours straight. No pretrip inspections. So, many drivers were driving busted trailers down the road. It might suck, but it needed regulation. The roads are more crowded than they are now.
kolop1 when I was truck driving we didn’t have electric logs it was paper and I had to lie like crazy to make it work the longest I went straight 53 hours worked non stop
Steve. You should interview someone else. This guy dose not know what he's talking about. I have been driving over 35 years and this guy does not have the FACTS. FAKE NEWS.
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I'm not a trucker, I come home every day for few hours, But my wife tells me when to sleep, What to eat, And what to wear. This guy is lucky, He only gets direction when to sleep
Most otr drivers are payed by the miles we drive,yet we are all regulated by the hours we work. Want to fix the hours of service? Eliminate the nonstop 14hr rule,and replace it with a set amount of miles we can drive(say 650mi.,with 50mi.leeway) with a 10 hr sleep break. That would make the loads easier to plan,easier for DOT to regulate,easier for truckers to comply with,and also give drivers leeway to deal with issues like slow shippers/receivers,traffic,weather,or the lack of parking. Otherwise it they are going to regulate us by the hours we work,then we should get payed for every hour we spend in the truck away from home. That includes time and a half for any hours over 40,just like everyone else.
MY POINT XSACTLY' TO MNY YRS WE WERE PACIFIED WYTH 5 ON 5 OFF RULE- WE AYTE TH 2-6 HRS LOADING- 2 6 HRS UNLOADIN 3 HRS IF U HUSSLED TO TH NXT LD..SLEPT 5 THER ..ROLLED UP AT PM TO DRIVE 5' OFF 5[SLEEP] REWOKE TO ANOTHER 5 TO DELIVER....................REPETE
His example wasn't that farfetched. I had a load of raisins that had to go to cold storage in Boston. They were on skids stacked 7 high. The trailer was a drop frame with wheel boxes and their forklift wouldn't fit between them. They also demanded that they be restacked on their skids 6 high. To make a long story short. I fingerprinted 1800 cases. It took me about 9 hours plus I had to spend the night in their yard because they closed at 5. Total time at receiver, 23 hours for a load that barely paid for the fuel. Lesson in trucking learned 1978
I've been driving since 2015 and I've yet to encounter a DOT officer to ask me if I took my trash outside this morning... I do agree with some stuff this guy is saying but some of it is hyped up... It's very simple drive within your allotted hours not rocket science... If you feel "tired" park the truck and split your clock I have taken plenty of 2hr power naps and kept on trucking then do my 8... I drove on paper logs for my first 2 years and been on e-logs for a while now and I get more mileage out of e-logs than I did on paper due to when I get back in the truck after fueling I dont have to spend 15 mins fixing my drive line, I just put it in gear and roll out... Safe travels
There is no state trooper going to give you a ticket for cutting your grass taking out the trash you don't know what the hell you're talkin about and I've been driving a truck 22 years
fawkes was just trying to spice it up a bit as usual. The issue was (supposedly) guy emailing his dispatch during his 34 . If it wasn't in the last 10 hrs of it it would never matter anyway AND I doubt it would stand up in court your boss telling you what to do when you start up after your break AND with 34 off minus 1 minute to email you'd have plenty of hrs in the next 7 days regardless, just have to count em (and the ELD does THAT for you)
God Bless truck drivers, my son drives a large fuel tanker.....the insane rules are awful....driving 10 to 12 or more hours a day.....the company gets away with it by using the clock to roll over to the next day....
The new rules are not about safety. The Freight Co. Put money in the hands of National Safety Reps. & Called it SAFETY RULES. how can anyone say it's Dangerous to let our Drivers drive 10 hrs! So we gonna have their drive 11hrs. ? WHAT.??? & They had 40 HR weekend now 34 hrs go back to work. ??? WHAT.? use to run out of hrs . now can't. ! this was to Save Freight Co money & that's ALL
Dude I just crying because he can't work more than he physically can. It's all lies nobody is forcing him to eat a certain time or how to use his off duty time.
The whole idea behind the electronic logbook is to let the driver know when you are tired and when you're not tired... the computer knows that... they also know when you had a stressful day or not!
for years the dot has been telling us to get sleep, here's the thing , we can't just stop any where , you guys know this , truck stops always full, so with this bs electronic craps, you might find tractor trailer s parked in your front yard, why? there is no driving time, big brother has got us by the balls ,
Trip planning helps. It just sucks running out at shippers/recievers and they want you off their property. Use safe Haven to get to a spot you can sleep. Lots of places to park before 9pm and you don't have to park at a truck stop either. Rest areas, Walmart, some shopping malls etc.
You've never sat at a dock for more than 10 hours? I take it You've never bumped the dock at a U.S. Postal Mail center, sat at their dock for 12 hours, once, never saw detention from it, either.
You're really not feeling the otr driving hours rules? Find a partner and run as a team. Y'all will never have to stop or shut down. Just switch places.
maybe it is time for a all trucker strike, i bet they as us all will listen then...because with out trucks we will have nothing...i used to drive but due to all the b.s. you have to go through it is just not worth it...
These regulations have been the same for almost 20 years with the exception of the recently added 30 min break. Truckers are just upset the ELD device makes it harder to cheat than paper logs. The rules are good, the companies need to pay more for what the drivers do. Also, the mention of mowing the lawn, etc. off duty is BS. It only counts against you if have a secondary job.
When you're home all time where you are working and getting paid has to be logged. Other than earnable taxable work time the Gov can't tell you what to do. False information. Liar
Cord Bullard you wrong on that buddy. Off duty time you cannot work. If they wanted to be an asshole they can write a log book violation ticket for mowing your own grass, or driving from the truck to your house and back ect...
This guy full of crap about not being able to do anything while your off duty. As long as it is not something with the truck itself. We are free to do as we please. Interview a truck driver not a steering wheel holder. I'll volunteer to interview!
Dead-Dog-Rising D. Sanchez Yelp most of these guys are truckstop trolls. Hell I drive at least 200-300 miles before my 30 min break or maybe 350. If I feel like taking a hour or hour half nap I can and I still get at least 600 to 650 on a good day legally.
Bullshit! There are far fewer Truck cause fatalities on our roads now because of the regulations that govern the Trucking industry. If you want to see what happens when these truckers don't follow the rules just look up the accident involving Tracy Morgan.
theylied1776, Got the statistics on that instead of just quoting one incident? There are none available to my awareness other than claims from the ATA that ELD's will save 26 lives per year, yet no evidence for their claim offered. However the large companies which can afford this technology who use it and lobby for it in order to destroy their competition have had an increase in their accidents. Try doing a little research before you mouth off.
Regulations are not arbitrary, they are based on statistics. This driver needs to get re-trained asap. Either that or or find another occupation. Tired and/or disgruntled truck drivers can cause accidents.
The Railroad has the Hours of Service law set by the Federal Railroad Administration of 12 hours. If you do not complete your run you must stop and wait for a crew to be "Taxied In". If you are 5 miles away, you stop. You cannot legally move your train. If you do & the railroad gets caught, it's $50,000 fine per occurrence. I you out law blocking the grade crossing, Tough, you cannot move legally. A train crew is lucky to be home 4 times a month! I am not saying that truckers don't have these problems and that they have to steer, but frequently when the locomotive is going up hill, the rear is going down hill. The engineer will open the throttle, release the locomotive brake while lightly applying the train brakes to keep the train stretched so it won't come apart if power is applied.
When i was over the road, it was 4 weeks out, 3 days home. or give your truck away and you have to wait for the next available one and pray it wasn't a POS. I did my 3 days once, had to take 1 extra, lost the truck and 7 days later finally got another one. that was 11 unpaid days off and the company didn't care. But my creditors sure as heel did.
No it is for the safety of others on the highway. because some of these truck drivers will driver not know when they need to pull over. they will fall a sleep behind the wheel. and it is part of your job to keep your paper work in order and my step dad is a truck driver and he move his loads. and keeps up his paper work. and all so does the things around the house. just sound like a lot of excuses to me !
I drove otr (long distance) for awhile. The time scheduling was not the bad, its meant to keep you taking a full 8 hours of sleep everyday and on regular periods of sleeping and being awake day after day. You can not work a "swing shift". The part that sucked was living in a cubicle parked in a dangerous smelly truck stop for not much pay and being away from home for a month with just 5 days off outside of the truck.
The industry is lacking thousands of truck drivers now, who in their right mind would want to drive truck with this bull shit going on, I am a truck driver and I'm about sick of it
One thing I hate is the mandatory 30-minute break before 8 hours of on duty. the only thing that 30-minute break does for me is slow me down and take away from my home time. I understand driving can be fatiguing but we shouldn't be made to take that 30-minute. I would like to be able to take a break when I feel like taking a break. I am kind of an insomniac so driving for a straight 10 hours would not affect me. I do not get tired behind the wheel, very strange indeed, we should have the freedom without regulation to take our break when we deem necessary. The reason for the regulation I assume is that drivers will take advantage and not pull over and take a break when they actually need one, which affects all of us.
I congratulate that driver for coming forward and if he could see this comment, my hat's off to you bro. Now all we need is all these other puppets to jump on board. I'll park it.
The more truckers quit the more your groceries go up. And that's a fact.
Things were hard enough back in 03 when I quit driving otr. I can only imagine what conditions are today. Hats off to every trucker who has the capacity to deal with all of the obstacles that they have in their daily lives.
there is huge shortage of drivers in trucking industries and with the help of these kind of rules government will make this problem worse.
Virender Khokhar Believe me it's not a shortage of drivers if you are not at a truckstop by 600pm you can forget it. This is even in the warm months.
That's why I came home to drive local,no clock..
F*** you. I've been side swiped by a stupid ass-hole truck driver that drove 18 hours straight. Are there any intelligent drivers left nowadays? Trust FAUX NEWS to interview a total ass-hole driver.
Try driving Vince,you know nothing!!
Everything you have came on a Truck!!!
Boycott all that stuff,you would literally starve...
I believe there is more of a shortage of good jobs for truckers that actually pay well with decent benefits. The gov't is permitting more visas from people from the Middle East to work for dirt wages. This is true is places like Maine.
I know someone who is ready to get out of truck driving after 17 years because of regulations.
000000Kimo ,somebody's a wimp!whahahaha
wow, 17 whole years? LOL my mom's cousin has been driving a truck since 1966 and has no plans to retire.
He'd also be ready to leave the industry if they discontinued his favorite steer tire.
We're all on the cusp of leaving. All the time. Then payday rolls around and we're like oh well I guess it ain't that bad. Lol.
@@chieftp poor guy
We TRUCKERS are literally the only force behind this country!!!! WE STOP.....THE COUNTRY COMES TO A HALT! WE ARE THE BLOOD OF THIS NATIONS HEART!! SHOW US THE RESPECT WE DESERVE!!
It isnt just the Govt..Insurance companys are running the truckin industry as well.
Show me the statistics that backup that point other wise all your doing is talking out of your ASS and trolling people.
@King First You have proven that you have no idea what you're talking about. Have some knowledge on a topic before you hurl insults at the 3 million men and women who literally brought you everything you own.
Trucking was safer BEFORE hours of service regulation. And the fault of collisions between semis and passenger vehicles are attributed to the driver of the passenger car to the tune of 83%, despite the law and lawyers doing everything in their power to blame the truck driver.
The average distance driven per at-fault accident for a passenger car driver is 166,000 miles. For a truck driver, well over 1,000,000. The only reason you think truck accidents are so common is because they ALWAYS get more media attention.
@@Dwade-nk9wc Exactly? Going on almost 26 years of trucking experience and probably about 2million miles give or take. I have never been the cause of the few accidents I was involved in Every one of them were caused by someone in an automobile being either in a hurry doing something stupid or weather related aka someone spinning out in front of me. The actual regulations and how the majority of how drivers are paid are what create an unsafe environment. The industry as a whole is paid by piece work aka mileage based pay or percentage pay or by the load pay. So what happens is that some drivers feel to make a living they have to run stupidly because of someone holding them up like a shipper or receiver or a rail yard or a port. So in reality the safety of the industry falls on the governments lack of knowledge of how the industry actually works. In the federal workers rights law there is an antiquated law that says that transportation workers are exempt from overtime pay. Motor Carriers
Employees of motor carriers (those who provide transportation by motor vehicle for pay) are exempt from overtime under the FLSA if the U.S. Secretary of Transportation has the power to regulate their minimum qualifications and maximum hours of service under the Motor Carrier Act.
To be exempt, the employee’s duties must include performing activities that affect safety on a motor vehicle driven on public highways in interstate or foreign commerce. The employee must work as a driver, driver’s helper, loader, or mechanic. This is a major contributor to many of the accidents where a commercial vehicle is involved along with trying to comply with the overburdening government regulations which magnify the issues. If you have @king first talking to your comment have never been in the industry or have no idea of how the transportation industry does business you have no right to comment. I suggest KING FIRST you actually do some research on the transportation industry before commenting.
Yep insurance mandates cameras ,speed limiters, lane departure crap it's all garbage anymore
@Simon Templar I agree but it's only because big companies are putting foreigners and in experience drivers in the seat and pay them peanuts
I’m guessing this guy owns his own business to come out like this. But that’s pretty brave of him to do so.
Anthony Pagio Exactly. Why does he just get another driver to relay drive? I’m no truck driver but what he was saying didn’t make sense.
ACTUALLY IM A TRUCK DRIVER, HES RIGHT ABOUT THE CLOCKS , QUALCOM,
LETS YOU DRIVE 11HRS. ONLY THEN YOU GET A VIOLATION WARNING. UNLESS ITS AN EMERGENCY LIKE THE BRIDGE OR ROAD IS OUT OR YOUR HEADED TO A STOP AND MASSIVE TRAFFIC PREVENTS YOU FROM PULLING OFF FOR A SAFE PLACE TO PARK. THE LOCKS ARE THERE TO PREVENT THE DRIVER FROM FALLING ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL . THATS ALL. TYPICAL TRUCK DIVERS WORK 70HR WEEKS UP TO 14 HRS A DAY ......ONLY. THEN YOU DO A RECAP THE NEXT WEEK WERE YOUR ONLY ALOUD TO WORK AS MANY HOURS THE DAYS OF THE WEEK PRIOR, EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO PARK 36 STRAIGHT TO REGENERATE THE 70 HOURS.....BUT IF SHIPPERS OR RECEIVERS ARE LATE LOADING OR UNLOADING YOU HEN YOU RUN INTO TIME CRUNCHES ......YOU CAN NOT BE IN 2 PLACES AT ONCE ......EVERY TRUCK IS KINDA LIKE A SHIP AS THE DRIVER YOUR THE CAPTAIN OF THE SHIP BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW REGULATIONS , AND FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS THAT DIFFER TO WHERE YOUR AT.
ChiBot bull chit elog or draw a line has nothing to do with safety I draw a line on paper or push a button does not mean safe driving 32 years driving not one accident not one ticket on paper logs
Anthony Pagio you know not a thing about the trucking industry so why even make a stupid comment about it!!!!
Er...no....I rub shoulders with real truck drivers 8) The e-log system is a
bureaucrats wet dream but a disaster for a human being doing things. I
have experienced similar systems in the IT world and they are a
human relations disaster...
Truckers deliver everything we use. I’ve even delivered a baby. These regs are just not going to work the way they are intended to. The industry says they need thousands and thousands of drivers. Does the industry know how hard it is to find parking for all those rigs? Short parking, bad food, shit dispatchers and idiot owners.
Abby,
If that baby wasn't on your Manifest.......It's a violation.
Bob Sullivan I know, but the Trooper was like “You know how to do this, Go ahead really do it” I was a Special Forces medic for a few decades. So I guess he was willing to let that infraction go, the terrorized look on his face was precious. I asked him “Hay, kid, you want I should bail you out” my lord it was so funny.
Bob Sullivan FAK.
Rusty Climber Assuming freight demand stays the same, rail simply moves the truck demand from long haul to local. Trains rarely pull right up to warehouse and store doors.
Rusty Climber yeah I actually run the rail so I get it. I'm part of the large crowd that does the local final delivery. And we're usually pretty busy.
America needs to heavily regulate the govt employees and the criminal politicians!!
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It looks like the militia are spending too much time playing with themselves in the woods because they have achieved nothing
Am a truck. Driver and he is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT !!! You are expected to be in bunk time if you are held up for hours!!! Truckers are always under stress and always dashing to beat the clock !! This guy doesn't have enough experience to work the system !!!! Believe me I could wake up spend 2 hrs on duty get to a shipper be detained 8 hrs and boss will say well you should have been resting !!! Really ??? 2 hours after I got up I'm expected to go back to sleep in order to run all night ?? This life is a hell nobody can keep up with unless you can sleep anywhere any time and be awake for days on end too!!! Sorry my body just crapped out trying to keep up !! It's totally insane !!! I stayed with it for almost 10 years and then I completely snapped !! Burnt out ! And body just quit ! I didn't care about anything anymore ! Safety for load good safety for driver ...well company just don't give a rats ass !! As long as that load is safe and on time !!! You being able to have a life other than your job is non existent!!! And when you do get time off you spend the entire time preparing to get back on the truck with clean clothes rest and food for a couple days !!! Average days off a month is 3 if you are over the road ! Sickening to think about ! Honestly unless you are very efficient and very structured you will not make it as a driver !
that is exactly what happened to me I got burned out and don't care no more I haven't drove the truck for 9 months still recovering my health got really bad
100 % true.
I live same experience...
I used to be an OTR truck driver but quit because of the stress of trying to comply with all of those ridiculous regulations. I loved the occupation but hated the DOT breathing down my neck all the time so I quit. I went to electrician school and became a journeyman electrician which payed a lot more and no stress and great benefits. I really feel sorry for over the road truckers!
Most of the companies truckers deliver to do not allow you to sleep with your 10-hour break on their property so it is frustrating as a driver to find out if safe location to gain your hours of service back all the regulations is killing the business
22 Years on the road never drove tired until the E-logs came along.They took a bite out of my paycheck and forced me to drive tired.Had to say good bye to an industry I loved. Thanks Uncle Sam....
So much more NEEDED to be said, but we truckers are never given the amount of TIME needed to EXPLAIN!!!
Look at all the people in the comment section who don't know what they are talking about. If you don't know anything about OTR, driving semi, or E-logs you can just stuff it as far as I'm concerned. Nothing this man said is untrue. E-logs (absurd DOT logs/regulations in general) blow and are one of the biggest problems in the industry today.
Really? I ran e-logs for a long time (have you?) before I gave up on them and started my own business outside of the trucking industry. The trucking industry has been regulated to death for solo drivers. The only way you can make decent money is if you team a truck which is what I wasn't willing to do.
Have you ever heard the saying that the path to hell is paved with good intentions? Well this is the same thing. While I will agree with you that the regs are steeped with good intentions they have a serious negative side effect in the sense that they don't allow flexibility.
As for renegade truckers? The statistics and studies don't lie. The ATA released a study that proved that 80% of all car/semi accident were directly caused by the car, NOT the semi driver. Semi drivers are overwhelmingly safe drivers when compared to car drivers yet they get the brunt of the blame.
Take YOUR ignorance and shove it as far as I'm concerned.
Alpha1 Omega2, that is hilarious, are you really so naïve to think that Washington really cares? EVERYTHING is about the dollar, you have certain groups that waltz down to K street and then K street waltzes up to some congressman with a boat load of money and then they have you taking your wallet out. Now after everything is put in to place, you need money, just stop a truck you can always find something wrong. People like P.A.T.T ought to be ashamed of themselves controlling an industry over someone's death, how many people have been killed by trucks that were perfectly legal, all it takes is 2 nit wits on the same road, you are worried about renegades, inexperience is a much bigger problem simply because there are so many new drivers, and the industry has proven anyone can drive a truck, at least until the shit goes down. Let me just sum this up, you are the perfect clown.
mmfrnt, can you get a fine for mowing your lawn because you are working while off duty?
Marty Marsh; Your lawn? That's a bit of a stretch. However if you are getting paid for it, and it can be proven, then yes. If you are logged as line 1 (off-duty) and take a job (any job) outside of that truck, even on your time off from that truck, even if it's just mowing your neighbors lawn for $10, then you violate your federal logs.
One thing people fail to understand is the moment you get a CDL your life is now logged. For instance, even though I no longer drive commercially I still hold a Class A CDL. Why give it up? I went to school for it and I drove for many years OTR and I may use it one day again. But even I still must report to the DOT every time I renew my license what my driving status has been. I don't have to turn in logs anymore, per say, but it is still logged in a sense as being perpetually as "off-duty intrastate" status under my online MVR. Since my hours of service never gets activated I don't have to worry about violating any hours of service rules though through working at my business.
They talked about in the news program, are you really mowing your lawn on your 10 hour break, I would bet no ever gets close enough to home to do that except maybe a local guy. As far as your days off, you can do what ever you want, paid or not. You can even drive someone else's truck, if you have the hours.
I'm writing OSHA to file a complaint, that elogs create an unsafe work environment. And that elogs violate the workplace safety act of 1970.
Good luck with that!
Blame your trucking brothers from the 70's, and 80's. Driving from Cali to NY in 2 days high on acid possibly killing some family along the way.
@@Mr_JRH 😂
Joey Fla I am usually for regulations and laws however the elog definitely is impacting my driving not in a good way I drive faster ,I drive when I am tired
Fuckin right they do they are not about saftey
Accdent and fatality rate up 37% since they bern forced on the industry .. companies now use ELD agenst lease opps and owner opps as well ..
No wonder there is a shortage of drivers,who would want to deal with this garbage💩
All Truckers shut Down America lets for 1 week than we can how government handle without Trucker
American truck drivers don't have the gumption to unite and protest unfair regulations. Hell will freeze over first!
Maybe if there were a more unions that could happen. But republicans hate unions so there you sit in your truck.
Pretty crazy! A politician can work all day in Washington, then go home load his family in a car and take off for Disney world on vacation. Where's the regulations on safety there???? Government is one sided.
Lol to the people saying, "put it on rails." Have fun getting your amazon packages 5 weeks late.
I've Noticed that there's Absolutely No Time for Anything Anymore.
1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, 3 Mississippi... try it while looking at a clock
All these regs come from companies and drivers who bilked the industry years ago with 2 sets of books. One for the salary, the other for taxes. Diesel used to be half the price of gas. No wonder congress put the highway taxes in the diesel fuel. They knew what was going on.
Thanks for exposing the truth about the trucking industry... Good Job
Im a retired Over the Road Truck Driver and I see no problem with 11 0n and 10 off for 10 yrs b4 retiring in 2013 With Landstar my Last 7 as an Owner Operator and made 6 figures every yr
He is incorrect. You can do what you want on your off duty time as long as ur not getting paid/working. Any driver that is fined other wise should take it to court.
Your commute time in your personal car to get to the truck is "technically" on duty, not driving. I know, law enforcement is gonna have a hard time proving it. If you are washing your truck or changing the oil, both o. Your own, that is, again, "technically" on duty, not driving.
@@claytonscheiber3493 actually driving from truck to home and from home to truck is off duty personal time. Oil change and truck bath would definitely be on duty none driving because it benefits the company you work for and should be paid.
I think he said that to get out if doing chores so his wife wouldn't yell at him...lol
@@stevengriffith436 I hope so.... That or he was just tossing a coin for his 15mins of Fame 🤣🤣
@@stevengriffith436 🤣
This is what happens when individuals that dont even drive a car, legislate laws that bind up commercial driving. Solution? Toss the keys and wait until there's a crisis of toilet paper. When people and politicians can't wipe their asses, they'll deregulate ignorant laws and allow free commerce.
Do you really believe politicians wipe their asses? That's what lobbyists are for.
Pretty soon all these truck drivers are gonna be like fuck it! And then you will see all these regs disappear. All they would have to do strike and it wouldn't last one day! These truck drivers would get what they want in no time.
Big companies buying the lawmakers who enforce laws that make the owner ops miserable this forcing you to shut down. So hipocritcal when emergency personal can work 24 hours cops with guns and firefighters and medics but drivers who most most part sit all day cannot. High standard of straight hipocracy
Customers should all be made to have spaces available to park far a 10 hr break. And there are new young drivers who are dangerous that know nothing just to fill a seat. The pay needs to be increased to attract better drivers. It is a hard life and if you think not try it for a year. Odds are you will not make it beyond 6 months.
Perhaps they would if truckers didn't treat the spaces like a bunch of animals, trashing the place and throwing shit all over.
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John Santo
Yep you said it pay should go up
My buddy has no idea what a teamster is so sad unions get u paid period.
In the 20,000+ miles I have driven my 5th wheel in the last 9 months I have seen truckers swerving across lanes asleep, I've seen lots of trucks run off the roads crashed in median cables, truckers refusing to let others lane shift for accidents, truckers parked in RV parking at fuel stops, staying at rest stops longer than legal causing me to have to drive nearly 18 hrs due to not being able to even pull into packed rest stops, trucks forcing others off the road. Having said all that my grandfather was a trucker for 35yrs driver of the year 6yrs in a row, and my wife worked as a dispatcher and router. There are a lot of good truckers out there and without them our country would come to a grinding halt there needs to be some kind of sit down nationwide because there are a lot of dangerous trucks out there and it won't get any better raising pay or get rid of some of these regulations it will just make higher paid idiots that do the same crap, y'all need higher standards for drivers not more regulation. Pay according to the driver not increase pay just to "attract" better drivers thats just stupid.
John Santo Did you just suggest we fix government regulation with more government regulation....?
Clueless Fox "News" takes talking points from a guy who wants to work 20hrs a day, and talks about regulations and couldn't point out 1 in four mins that worked against him. More accidents and deaths from tired drivers is why regulations are needed. It doesnt matter if he waited 10 hrs for a load. You only get so many per day. Will he argue with a pilot carrying 200 souls on an airplane who runs out of hours?
People will jump down my throat about this. But, he is right. Running elogs always had me in a mad dash hurry, which stressed me out immensely. That was a huge factor of why I decided to go local, to a company that won't even touch elogs. I am a responsible adult, I know my limitations of when I am too tired to sleep. I didn't need a Qualcomm to tell me when I needed to drive, or sleep. I have no desire to come back OTR till this ELD crap blows over.
SOA ZIPPER You're not trip planning correctly rookie.
SOA ZIPPER this was 8 months ago you were saying your company wouldn't touch ELD'S. Well how do you like them now that if its a truck its got a log in it?
Hey you guys watching on your 10? Me too..........
your lack of trip planning and inability to stand up to a dispatcher caused that , not elogs. qualcomm does'nt do anything a legal log book does'nt do.
circusboy90210 your lack of trip planning drove you into being a full time employee of the circus. That's why I will,never believe anything you say about e logs
Truckers First, they will shut them down and stop the food.
And what is the truckers going to eat.
Lol no we are not this has been talked about for a long time and never happens and never will but i don't care i make 6 figures a year driving even with eld's so im not complaining
FAUX NEWS ? Oh that must be the truth. What a f****** JOKE. He has Trumps hair in his teeth.
The ass-hole on Fox is as stupid as they come. What a fuc**** shit head. He sits on his fuc*** brains like the dumber ass-hole he's talking to. What a pair of moronic shit heads.
Jeeze Vince, go watch Rachel Maddow and relax man - it'll be ok.
We need to stop are trucks and have them starve for a couple months see how that works
lento7421 you are the only smart one here. But nobody got any balls these days. So they just take it up the ass and bitch.
B Mueller don't judge if you don't know what you're talking about try it for yourself and see how that works.....
M P that's the whole point
You'd inadvertently starve yourself.
dchawk81 we wouldn’t starve because we would plan ahead for it. Dumb ass!
We as a trucker should stop for 6 months and see what happens.
Pilots for airlines have strict hours of service rules, strict rest rules. every once in a while you hear of an airliner that has been stuck waiting to take off having to return to the gate because the crew doesn't have enough hours left to complete the flight. Also, people who operate trains have strict hours of service rules. Know what the difference is? They are not paid the same way as truck drivers. Truck drivers are exempt from federal wage laws because it is unskilled labor. The entire trucking industry is built on drivers breaking the law to make more money. I just logged at 65 mph, very little time on line 4. If I were at a dock doing a unload I would log off duty not driving rather than on line four, like it was supposed to be logged. If you logged perfectly legal you would be broke. Same way as if you did a real pre-trip inspection. Teamsters operate under the same exact rules, and you don't hear them complain, but they are also paid an hourly wage of about $19.00 an hour to start, and get mileage pay. Try and convince a driver to join the Teamsters, good luck.
I commend You Matthew, thanks for bringing up the over regulation issue!!
I have been in this industry on the civilian side for over 20 years. Not mention starting in the military over seas first!!
Your frustration is felt industry wide!! Go brother Go.
Asking someone to go and hire a driver partner should never be the only alternative to making a living out here on the open road!!
There are many problems with taking that on.
Like, imagine living in a oversized broom closet with someone for a week once!! Only getting out to fuel, going to the bathroom, or possibly eating, if not done while still moving!!!
Now along with that you must remember folks. This is their life..... week after week after week!!! This is not just a way of life once in a while!! This is all year. !! There are fights between drivers after a while. With no where to get away farther than a long arms length from one another!!
I make no excuses for the industry I love and have made my career out of!!
However, big brother is about to enact regs on us that makes it just about impossible to make a decent living out here any more!!
All the missed Hollidays, birthdays and the likes!! It has to be worth the sacrifice or we as drivers will go by the wayside. Faster than the self driving trucks will do to us in the not so distant future anyways. !! Just saying!!!!
Good luck out there future drivers,, you'll need it believe you me!!
Gerrit Dykgraaf those faster and safer trucks you're talking about are driven by AI and won't need drivers like you
Blessedone333AZ yes drivers will be needed, my husbands work detail driving is only a small part of the job, there is maintenance, paperwork, delivery. AI can do a lot but a good ways to go yet. My husbands been driving almost 20 years, we know. :)
I love Fox: the "weekly world news" of video media. Logbook regulations have been in place for decades . Elogs were introduced with full public support because a few dummies failed spectacularly while ignoring the HOS rules. The only major addition recently is the half hour break rule, which is apparently hilariously impossible for some to work with.
TRUCK SAFETY IS THE NUMBER ONE GOAL......WE DO NOT NEED TRUCKERS DRIVING FOR 17 HOURS A DAY, SPUN ON METH, AND DRIVING 90 MPH.
That's because you are an employee if its not your truck. Minimum wage is going up then you need to get paid by the hour $40hr for every hour away from home. We live on the United States and its stupid that truckers are still getting paid by the mile not by the hour working for a trucking company! !!
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The government is not the problem
It is the shippers receivers, trucking companies getting rich off of free unpaid driver labor
Truck driving is a rip off
I felt that i was way safer before them new regulations.
When i was tired, i stopped in a rest area for a nap.
Today, if you stop for 1/2 h or 1 or 2 hrs, to rest, it messes those 'clocks' and you won't be able to reach your client's delivery place.
Then you are not tired, still, you have to stop to a forced rest !
Computers.... #$@!!$$#!
I know it! What the hell was the problem with knaping then getting up and rolling again? Exactly how I've done it 27yrs
I said this before and I'll say it again. It's not the ELD's. It's the Hours of Service. If you ran legal on paper then it shouldn't make a difference on a ELD. It's the same thing. But the majority cheated on the paper logs. And when he says, If your stuck at the dock for 10 hours it messes with your hours. I say if your at the dock for 10 hours you better be on Sleeper Berth so you can run because you just got a 10 hour break. Duh!
Some locations you are not allowed to be on sleeper berth.
@@chrisrhodes6489 only if your unloading your truck. Then you have to be on duty. But if your sitting in you truck waiting you can be on sleeper berth. Trust me he wasn't unloading his truck. Because if it took him 10 hours that's on him.
Truckers need to unite & strike. Like the Brazilian truck drivers are during in Brazil. Make them greatly alter the HOS rules, where they will benefit the trucker. Make them repeal the eld mandate & let it be a choice of the driver. Make them repeal all of these emissions junk, I'm all for the environment but when it becomes expensive, unpractical, & out right dangerous, that's a problem. If you really, want to do something for the environment make it federally legal to produce hemp for biodiesel, subsidize biodiesel & encourage it. Also to, make them lower petroleum diesel prices, through lowering the taxes on it. Lower & stop taxing truckers for every atomic thing.
Kobe Wade people cannot be trusted to do the right thing. ELD's were conceived because of assholes using two or more logs. As a result we as drivers have a system that forces us to be compliant. It is simple and takes a lot of work out of driving. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or is too stupid and needs to turn in their license asap!
I’m an ag driver, if e-logs get forced on us we won’t be making any money and the plants won’t have enough product to process, when the season picks up we gotta make it happen, and it’s always nice if you’re not tired to just get a few more loads in
IDK about you but when I was hauling produce I sometimes would be at a shipper for 24 hrs.
I have been stuck at shippers and receivers for over 10 hours, over 14 hours, and then told I had to move my vehicle.
Illegal NOW but yes it used to be a common occurrence. Some shippers still try to enforce it.
I think we all get it it's about safety safety is very very important but there's also common sense and common sense says that if you're stuck in traffic if you're held up somewhere or people don't have your stuff ready for you all that it's going to create a big problem and it's going to create great stress on a driver who needs to get these things delivered on time. Example my drive home is 25 minutes but something goes wrong with the George Washington Bridge and you all been there my Dr at home becomes an hour two sometimes two hours I can only imagine the stress level this month put on the drivers and the difficulty of driving a big rig and a heavily congested area and looking at a clock running out! I'm sure that's a better way to do this.
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I get held up by construction quite often. Not REAL bad because I work at night but you just plan around it. Either extend your ETA or have an alternate route.
If you run out of time, you have a sleeper. If you don't have a sleeper, your company has to either come get you or put you up in a hotel nearby.
Not the end of the world.
Its hard for the general public to understand, if everyone had to do hourly service books in America, there would be a war.
I did it for 8 years, that was enough.
On top of all of this regulations there is shipping and receiving offices that most of the time treat you like shit and don’t care about your appointment time, if you are on time sometimes you have to wait 4-5-6-10hoursand, if happens that you are late could be much worse than that.when you don’t make your delivery on time since you got stock because of shipping, delivery office doesn’t care at all why you are late and you have to wait for hours again...
another thing is Brokers, bunch of liers who treat you as shit as well, push you to make it on time regardless of shipping long wait time etc it’s just very hard industry to work. I love to drive but I won’t stay in business for longer time
Oh I agree! Happily I’m a retired after 40 years of driving big truck, local and over the road. I retired just because of this reason!
So true. I would love to pull over and shut my eyes as needed often when I'm driving, but that would run my clock out and I wouldn't make it to my destination without having to take 10 unpaid hours off the clock. You aren't allowed to sleep when you're tired. The clock never syncs with me when I need sleep. We work long hours one day and just a few the next. Driving destinations do not all take the same time to get to. I'll be forced to sit in my truck on an off ramp away from human conveniences wide awake, and then feel like going to bed when I'm allowed to drive again. The regulations are total horse shit. It's coming to point for me that I'm realizing that sleep deprivation is harming my health. Believe me I want to sleep when I'm tired. Sleep deprivation is used as a form of torture, and I know why. It's excruciating. I do it to myself to pay for a house I'm rarely at. The idiotic rules cause accidents, not prevent them. I've slammed on the brakes over hallucinations of stopped cars in front of me too many times to remember.
Try obeying Canada's rules and America's rules at the same time. It's pointless even trying to drive a truck sometimes. You're not allowed to move.
@@arkdecanine5782 Not that hard. Much less difficult than trying to explain them to dispatchers, shippers and receivers
Just sitting in the truck all day is harming your health drastically dude.
Many of us try to live eat and sleep healthy but it is not healthy to sit so much for anybody, a driver or a secretary. This doesn't even address the fumes and noise we are exposed to. @Stalinx20
You would be surprised what you inhale especially if you run your AC all night. No truck is air tight and the diesel fumes are thick in truck stops where half of the trucks are idling 24/7. It is even proven bad for kids riding a diesel BUS JUST TO SCHOOL.
Then there are chems like formaldehyde and acetaldehyde and flame-retardants etc in the upholstery. You can't escape these driving and stopping at a crowded truck stop. Think about that the next time you have a headache. @Stalinx20
My next door neighbour does a regular run from Sydney to Melbourne,( because it is a regular run he can drive extra hours to complete the trip) on a trip he ran out of pages on his log book. So on a meal break he purchased a log book at a truck stop and had a meal. He stopped for a weigh bridge inspection and the inspector found the receipt for the log book coincided with his break and concluded that being purchased on a meal break constituted work and it should have been purchased on his work time. I think the fine was around $400 aus
What I want to know is, who is behind all this regulation? Somebody is buying the Congress/senate to get these regulations on the books.....who? Train co? Airlines? Who is the group pushing this
New World Order
I really don't understand why the hours of service system is NOT flexible. How can you forcibly imply that because you are 'out' of hours that you must sleep, *even though you are not tired*? Let's say he does attempt to sleep but it takes forever to do so, as it often does when you aren't tired, and when he awakes he becomes groggy and fatigued from breaking his REM sleep in order to meet the time constraint of the HOS mandated window. How is this considered "safe"?
Hours of service deprives drivers of their miles and time on a technicality of a continuously running clock with no exceptions and no input from drivers.
I have a reimagined system of this same hours of service design.
The driver can be on-duty 14 hours, the exact same, the driver can drive 11 hours, the exact same, the driver has to obey all existing rules like mandatory breaks and 34-hour resets like before.
Do you want to know the difference?
*NON-CONTINUOUSLY RUNNING CLOCK TIME*
If the clock stops when you are not actually working then you could schedule your hours to avoid traffic, shipper/receiver delays, and so much more. The fact that your 14 hours is dwindling away *EVEN OFF-DUTY* is a travesty and a crime against truckers human right to rest and to work within the confines of a definable time period.
As it stands now, truck drivers are slaves to the DOT to be on their schedule at all times and every day. This is the reason they demand that you do paper logs when off-duty and not even driving a truck or when you are at home. That's right. The DOT forces truck driver employees to work for free and by law or else their CDL will be cancelled and they will be fined tons of money. How is this humane?
Bob has his full 14 hours and full 70 hours. Bob needs to deliver from point A to point B. Bob's trip is 1,000 miles and he is going to average 50 mph throughout the trip. Bob has to take his mandatory 30 minute break every 8 hours as well. Let's assume Bob doesn't need to use the bathroom or eat in this equation. If Bob drives 50 miles per hour, by hour 8 he will have driven 400 miles in 8 hours and must take his 30 minute break. The remaining time for him to continue working is 6 hours (14 hours - 8 driving hours = 6 hours left). However, after he takes his 30 minute break he actually has 5.5 hours left. So feeling refreshed from a short walk he continues on trucking. He makes it 3 hours towards his destination. Those 5.5 hours? 3 of those hours make him reach the max HOS limit for drive time (11 hours). The remaining 2.5 hours he can NOT drive by law. So Bob decides to sleep in the sleeper birth to rest up for 8 hours (the minimum allotted time for the sleeper birth to reset your hours). Everything seems fine and dandy correct? He drove he rested and now he has his hours refilled back to 14. Let's continue. He awakes and continues to drive for 8 hours (400 miles). He is now at 800 miles from point A and 200 from point B. Mandatory break of 30 minutes. Remaining hours are 5.5 hours. The actual remaining drive hours are 3 hours (remember you can only drive 11 hours, so 8 + 3 = 11).
He continues driving the remaining 3 hours. Now Bob drove 150 miles in those 3 hours and must stop by law.
He is now 950 miles from point A and 50 miles from point B. He is right on point B's doorstep. He CANNOT drive for the next 10 hours, assuming he is off-duty, or, for the next 8 hours, assuming he is sleeping in the sleeper birth. In this scenario he'll sleep the 8 hours. He is now awake with 14 hours and a short distance away from his stop. He drives the 50 miles in 1 hour (aka 50mph) and delivers the load.
Did you notice something odd? How long does it take to go from point A to point B non-stop I wonder?
1,000 miles divided by 50 miles per hour is equal to 20 hours, less than a day. If we throw in the mandatory 30 minute break we gain 1.25 hours so we are at 21.25 hours from A to B. Let's add in the HOS drive time limit of 11 hours now. Mind you that the clock is continuously running unless you are off-duty or sleeping. This means that Bob has to either take a 10 hour consecutive off-duty or an 8 hour sleeper birth rest. Bob slept for 8 hours so now the new time is 21.25 + 8 hours = 29.25.
That's not all. He did his first HOS rest break in the time frame allotted (21.25) and the remaining time was 10.25 so after driving *another* 11 hours he must stop and rest again. In this scenario he has a little cushion to continue on but the reality is he would have stopped and rested or ate etc. which would have ran his 14 hour clock down to zero. We are going to pretend he is as zero hours now. He is now legally obligated to take another 8 hour rest which brings his time from point A to point B to 37.25 hours. Now let's add in the HOS regulation for a 14 hour max on-duty (driving being considered part of the on-duty status). Since he used his remaining time post-driving for off-duty it doesn't count against his time so nothing changes. Now Bob is totaled at 37.25 hours for this *ONE* delivery to get from point A to B.
Okay so what? Why does that matter?
None of this seems wrong or bad for Bob. Wrong. This example did not include a realistic human example.
Bob has a slight case of sleep apnea that is being treated but causes him to wake up in the middle of his 8 hour sleeper birth time. He found it hard to go back to sleep and only got 5 hours of actual rest. He still drove after such a bad and groggy sleep which put himself and others in danger because the weather is going to get bad in the area he is in currently. In order to not get stuck in his current location he keeps driving. Now when Bob reaches the next truck stop he absolutely *CANNOT* find a spot to park in and his is already out of hours and legally cannot drive on the roadways. He decides to illegally park on the shoulder near the exit and sleep. He gets a good rest from being exhausted.
He continues on driving to his destination but guess what? It's morning traffic and som idiot decides to ruin everyone's day by speeding and causing a major accident about 15 miles up the interstate. There are no exits or loop arounds anywhere in sight. He only makes it so far before his hours start to dwindle away in 3-5mph traffic for the next 3-4 hours.
He makes it to the general area of the city and the destination but once again after human needs and faults he finds himself stuck outside of the destination. Time for another long sleep but this time he isn't sleepy. He stays up watching hardcore German dungeon porn for a while and it lullabies him to sleep. He is at the receiver but lo and behold they are overcrowded and the schedule is being pushed out a day. You just invested 3-4 days into this one single load. Why?
Hours of service regulations forcing the driver to drive, driver fatigue from trying to make up for lost productivity, no parking spaces available for commercial vehicles, and shippers/receivers who don't give a damn about their drivers who sweat blood and tears to get them their products.
All of this being under the assumption that loads are ready, the weather is clear, DOT doesn't pull you over, tires don't blow out or the vehicle breaking down, minor accidents at a truck stop, and so much more.
Now for the moral of this entire short story. You are getting paid the exact same wage for that one load. The HOS regulations don't care that you could have taken multiple other loads in those 3+ days and that for immensly more work and time invested you get no benefit to get it there early or on time other than you get to keep your job. Imagine working 72 hours one week and getting $900 for your multiple delivered loads. Now imagine working that same 72 hours but you experienced Bob's scenario, a semi-realistic scenario, but you only get $390 for that one load.
How does that make you feel?
Cheated?
Abused?
Disrespected?
Poor?
Lazy?
Welcome to overregulation.
@ 2:00 sitting at a shipper for 10 hours, you should be good to go for another 11 hours of driving. You just sat there in the sleeper for 10 hours. 😂😂
Right smh
You would think
But no, not at all.
Actually gus yes you are good to go IF you were not handling freight and actually able to sit in the driver lounge at the shipper ( if one is provided) or in the sleeper. It would be classified as a 10 hour break. If you are handling freight, fueling, trip planning, communicating with dispatch then no. I am a class a driver and trainer as well as a former instructor at a trucking school.
@@raymondsmith7506 that is for true for owmer operators, with my company. I have to be "on duty" at all time on a shippers property. We primarily do drop and hooks, but i have been live loaded.
True but after sitting those 10 hours at the shipper, his body clock will be getting in tired mode soon.
Many times when I'm on my 10-hr break, I'm into my fifth hour of my 10 hr break before I get to sleep which means I slept 5 hours. Some nights the number is 4 hrs of rest and other nights 2. After a string of several days like this, its not uncommon to hit the bunk in the middle of the day. And guess what, this time counts against your 14 hr on-duty time. This is insane and the rules need reform.
At some point drivers will have to be smart unify and park there rigs which will be the end of E logs and the start for better pay through out the industry.
Say "Hello!" to the public acceptance of self driving trucks.
Except they're truck drivers so we'll never have to worry about that
The alternative is trucking in the pre 2000s. Taking drugs to drive 30 hours straight. No pretrip inspections. So, many drivers were driving busted trailers down the road.
It might suck, but it needed regulation. The roads are more crowded than they are now.
kolop1 when I was truck driving we didn’t have electric logs it was paper and I had to lie like crazy to make it work the longest I went straight 53 hours worked non stop
its ridiculous, lets see the feds drive those trucks!! lets see how they like it!!
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Steve. You should interview someone else. This guy dose not know what he's talking about. I have been driving over 35 years and this guy does not have the FACTS. FAKE NEWS.
been driving since 1976, now I can make more money serving burgers at in and out.....
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U crazy than a mf men sell u new truck and get a 1999 and is over
Govt needs to strike down these regulations that are not helping drivers. You see Trump doing something about it? He'll NO
This would never happen: sitting at a shipper for 10 hours. Who are you kidding ? It happens all the time!
purplepetunia go to Ralph’s Compton distributions center and the keep you for mor them 10 hours if not you call me whenever you want
I'm not a trucker,
I come home every day for few hours,
But my wife tells me when to sleep,
What to eat,
And what to wear.
This guy is lucky,
He only gets direction when to sleep
Most otr drivers are payed by the miles we drive,yet we are all regulated by the hours we work.
Want to fix the hours of service?
Eliminate the nonstop 14hr rule,and replace it with a set amount of miles we can drive(say 650mi.,with 50mi.leeway) with a 10 hr sleep break.
That would make the loads easier to plan,easier for DOT to regulate,easier for truckers to comply with,and also give drivers leeway to deal with issues like slow shippers/receivers,traffic,weather,or the lack of parking.
Otherwise it they are going to regulate us by the hours we work,then we should get payed for every hour we spend in the truck away from home.
That includes time and a half for any hours over 40,just like everyone else.
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His example wasn't that farfetched. I had a load of raisins that had to go to cold storage in Boston. They were on skids stacked 7 high. The trailer was a drop frame with wheel boxes and their forklift wouldn't fit between them. They also demanded that they be restacked on their skids 6 high. To make a long story short. I fingerprinted 1800 cases. It took me about 9 hours plus I had to spend the night in their yard because they closed at 5. Total time at receiver, 23 hours for a load that barely paid for the fuel. Lesson in trucking learned 1978
I've been driving since 2015 and I've yet to encounter a DOT officer to ask me if I took my trash outside this morning... I do agree with some stuff this guy is saying but some of it is hyped up... It's very simple drive within your allotted hours not rocket science... If you feel "tired" park the truck and split your clock I have taken plenty of 2hr power naps and kept on trucking then do my 8... I drove on paper logs for my first 2 years and been on e-logs for a while now and I get more mileage out of e-logs than I did on paper due to when I get back in the truck after fueling I dont have to spend 15 mins fixing my drive line, I just put it in gear and roll out... Safe travels
You do no not logging fueling on the elog is a violation right?
The current HOS regulations force drivers to choose between making ng money and rest. That's why they are dangerous.
There is no state trooper going to give you a ticket for cutting your grass taking out the trash you don't know what the hell you're talkin about and I've been driving a truck 22 years
You misinterpreted what you said there, go watch it again.
I don't know about that. Cops are pretty dumb animals. Look at all the stupid tickets they write now!
Mark Flierl hell I don't have no problems with the Bears
Now, if he was working for Joe's Lawn and Garbage Removal, then he would.
fawkes was just trying to spice it up a bit as usual. The issue was (supposedly) guy emailing his dispatch during his 34 . If it wasn't in the last 10 hrs of it it would never matter anyway AND I doubt it would stand up in court your boss telling you what to do when you start up after your break AND with 34 off minus 1 minute to email you'd have plenty of hrs in the next 7 days regardless, just have to count em (and the ELD does THAT for you)
Being stuck at a shipper or receiver for hours on end is the shipper and receiver fault because they don’t load or unload the driver fast enough
God Bless truck drivers, my son drives a large fuel tanker.....the insane rules are awful....driving 10 to 12 or more hours a day.....the company gets away with it by using the clock to roll over to the next day....
TIME CARD N CAB RULE......YUP
Gail Alumbaugh
Its the Company he works for thats fucking him not the rules
drove truck 48 states for many years...... I quit because the regulations stopped me from making a good living....yup....quit in 1997
Write a letter to Trump. Sounds like there are some more regs which can be rolled back.
Yeah, get the genius involved LOL
The new rules are not about safety. The Freight Co. Put money in the hands of National Safety Reps. & Called it SAFETY RULES. how can anyone say it's Dangerous to let our Drivers drive 10 hrs!
So we gonna have their drive 11hrs. ?
WHAT.??? & They had 40 HR weekend now 34 hrs go back to work. ??? WHAT.?
use to run out of hrs . now can't. ! this was to Save Freight Co money & that's ALL
Dude I just crying because he can't work more than he physically can. It's all lies nobody is forcing him to eat a certain time or how to use his off duty time.
Wojciech Głowacki exactly. This guy talking is either an idiot or he is doing a poor job of making things up.
The whole idea behind the electronic logbook is to let the driver know when you are tired and when you're not tired... the computer knows that... they also know when you had a stressful day or not!
Why do you think that camera looks inside the truck at you. They probably installed facial recognition to scan heat tenperatures.
for years the dot has been telling us to get sleep, here's the thing , we can't just stop any where , you guys know this , truck stops always full, so with this bs electronic craps, you might find tractor trailer s parked in your front yard, why? there is no driving time, big brother has got us by the balls ,
EXACT SAME DRIVING TIME as before ELD's , sorry.
Trip planning helps. It just sucks running out at shippers/recievers and they want you off their property. Use safe Haven to get to a spot you can sleep.
Lots of places to park before 9pm and you don't have to park at a truck stop either. Rest areas, Walmart, some shopping malls etc.
You've never sat at a dock for more than 10 hours? I take it You've never bumped the dock at a U.S. Postal Mail center, sat at their dock for 12 hours, once, never saw detention from it, either.
You're really not feeling the otr driving hours rules? Find a partner and run as a team. Y'all will never have to stop or shut down. Just switch places.
Legion DC fuck can't sleep bouncing around ass hole not ever one is the same
"Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." Ben Franklin
maybe it is time for a all trucker strike, i bet they as us all will listen then...because with out trucks we will have nothing...i used to drive but due to all the b.s. you have to go through it is just not worth it...
Diesel + maintenance + citations + 10 hour clock + speed tracking devices = peanuts
exactly why i am self employed and make nothing but cash = )
steven vigil
Sure buddy... Get a haircut snowflake
What does a self employed Butt Pirate earn anyway ? Do you take tips ?
These regulations have been the same for almost 20 years with the exception of the recently added 30 min break. Truckers are just upset the ELD device makes it harder to cheat than paper logs. The rules are good, the companies need to pay more for what the drivers do. Also, the mention of mowing the lawn, etc. off duty is BS. It only counts against you if have a secondary job.
When you're home all time where you are working and getting paid has to be logged. Other than earnable taxable work time the Gov can't tell you what to do. False information. Liar
Cord Bullard
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Hesaid that he couldn't wash dishes or mow his yard. He's a fucking liar.
Cord Bullard you wrong on that buddy. Off duty time you cannot work. If they wanted to be an asshole they can write a log book violation ticket for mowing your own grass, or driving from the truck to your house and back ect...
Skip, he can't work and be compensated for it. Read the law. 49 CFR 395.2 (9) Performing any compensated work for a person who is not a motor carrier.
It’s true, I’m a Truck Driver. We are being watched.
This guy full of crap about not being able to do anything while your off duty. As long as it is not something with the truck itself. We are free to do as we please. Interview a truck driver not a steering wheel holder. I'll volunteer to interview!
Dead-Dog-Rising D. Sanchez Yelp most of these guys are truckstop trolls. Hell I drive at least 200-300 miles before my 30 min break or maybe 350. If I feel like taking a hour or hour half nap I can and I still get at least 600 to 650 on a good day legally.
James Nevitt what’s your truck governed at?
The Invisible Church 90mph haha
What I hate is how much is left to officer interpretations of the regulation
Bullshit! There are far fewer Truck cause fatalities on our roads now because of the regulations that govern the Trucking industry. If you want to see what happens when these truckers don't follow the rules just look up the accident involving Tracy Morgan.
theylied1776 bull chit
theylied1776 ,Walmart drivers are pushed to the limit!I see Walmart drivers texting a lot!
theylied1776 The walmart driver was on elogs silly. Elogs are very dangerous!
what rule didn't he follow other than not stopping when the rest of traffic stopped?
theylied1776, Got the statistics on that instead of just quoting one incident? There are none available to my awareness other than claims from the ATA that ELD's will save 26 lives per year, yet no evidence for their claim offered. However the large companies which can afford this technology who use it and lobby for it in order to destroy their competition have had an increase in their accidents. Try doing a little research before you mouth off.
Yea they need to regulate industrial parks make parking for 30 plus trucks
Regulations are not arbitrary, they are based on statistics. This driver needs to get re-trained asap. Either that or or find another occupation. Tired and/or disgruntled truck drivers can cause accidents.
Agreed
Should not there be an exception for an old timer , who just cannot adhere to this electronic gadget, but, as an excellent record?????
The Railroad has the Hours of Service law set by the Federal Railroad Administration of 12 hours. If you do not complete your run you must stop and wait for a crew to be "Taxied In". If you are 5 miles away, you stop. You cannot legally move your train. If you do & the railroad gets caught, it's $50,000 fine per occurrence. I you out law blocking the grade crossing, Tough, you cannot move legally. A train crew is lucky to be home 4 times a month! I am not saying that truckers don't have these problems and that they have to steer, but frequently when the locomotive is going up hill, the rear is going down hill. The engineer will open the throttle, release the locomotive brake while lightly applying the train brakes to keep the train stretched so it won't come apart if power is applied.
When i was over the road, it was 4 weeks out, 3 days home. or give your truck away and you have to wait for the next available one and pray it wasn't a POS. I did my 3 days once, had to take 1 extra, lost the truck and 7 days later finally got another one. that was 11 unpaid days off and the company didn't care. But my creditors sure as heel did.
You know truckers have been regulated since the 30s because of the railroads..hs
No it is for the safety of others on the highway. because some of these truck drivers will driver not know when they need to pull over. they will fall a sleep behind the wheel. and it is part of your job to keep your paper work in order and my step dad is a truck driver and he move his loads. and keeps up his paper work. and all so does the things around the house. just sound like a lot of excuses to me !
Sue Sally True! People like him just want to live without any rules.
Sue Sally sounds like a local driver
Wojciech Głowacki Most otr truckers are homeless.
Such stopid comments from idiot people!
I've driven over my drive time plenty of times. at least 4 times. And all about 3-5 hours over. no accidents. my body did what it was grafted to do.
I'm for stopping the trucks and let them understand the consequences!
I drove otr (long distance) for awhile. The time scheduling was not the bad, its meant to keep you taking a full 8 hours of sleep everyday and on regular periods of sleeping and being awake day after day. You can not work a "swing shift". The part that sucked was living in a cubicle parked in a dangerous smelly truck stop for not much pay and being away from home for a month with just 5 days off outside of the truck.
ELDs and DOT cops have made this job miserable.
The industry is lacking thousands of truck drivers now, who in their right mind would want to drive truck with this bull shit going on, I am a truck driver and I'm about sick of it
One thing I hate is the mandatory 30-minute break before 8 hours of on duty. the only thing that 30-minute break does for me is slow me down and take away from my home time.
I understand driving can be fatiguing but we shouldn't be made to take that 30-minute. I would like to be able to take a break when I feel like taking a break.
I am kind of an insomniac so driving for a straight 10 hours would not affect me. I do not get tired behind the wheel, very strange indeed, we should have the freedom without regulation to take our break when we deem necessary.
The reason for the regulation I assume is that drivers will take advantage and not pull over and take a break when they actually need one, which affects all of us.
Great record no problem. Sold my trucks and trailers to a friend who has 25 rigs
I congratulate that driver for coming forward and if he could see this comment, my hat's off to you bro. Now all we need is all these other puppets to jump on board. I'll park it.