The Creepy Missing F-89 Pilot - The Kinross UFO Incident
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In 1953, an unidentified and suspicious return appeared on U.S. military radar near Soo Locks on the border of the U.S. and Canada between Lake Huron and Lake Superior. Whatever it was, it was speeding across the sky at 500 miles per hour, and the Air Force scrambled an F89C Scorpion interceptor to investigate. As it met the unidentified object on the radar screen, the American plane vanished. No trace of the Scorpion or its two pilots would ever be found...
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I like this channel because I can consume this story in 11 minutes. If this was TV, they would drag out this story for an hour and repeat the same lines of dialogue about 5 or 6 times to fill the time.
Talks way too fast for my liking.
Yes and at least 15 minutes of that hour would be for ad breaks.
@@ColonelBummleigh Talks too fast ?? I struggle to understand how this is a problem. I wish everyone spoke this fast .!!
This is why I don’t watch TV anymore. Awful waste
@@ColonelBummleigh too fast! Do you live in the south?
"The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead..."
When the Games of of November come early.
"...When the games if November come early..."
@@vernscheck2658 Gales
My tablet does not like the word gales. Probably something from its past.
It is because it is too cold, does not allow bodies to bloat.
Since when would a C47 ever attain a ground speed of over 500 knots at only 7000 feet?
@David Parry just as two returns in moderate proximity can show as a single one on older systems.
(and modern ones, this is why ATC Transponders, IFF and ADSB were developed)
@David Parry and from the statement in the video, they don't know if it sped horizontally out of range, or vertically...
This means that the return basically vanished suddenly, like it was never a positive return in the first place.
No coincidence that they were experiencing bad localised snow storms I would say...
Sounds like someone messed up scrambling a jet into weather that killed them, thinking it was an aircraft.
ej merc really! My thoughts exactly. I smell a rat and a cover up of epic proportions 🤦🏼♂️
@@underwaterdick a snowstorm moving 500 mph?
@@buckfuttler2877 no, I'm not suggesting that it was moving that speed, but that a severe weather front giving false returns on the radar. Including false speed data.
Again, it went from being there to disappearing. Just like weather does. Or an aircraft crashing does. Or a combination of the two...
Today, the F-89 Scorpion is mostly forgotten, but in its day it was the premier fighter for what would become NORAD...defending the borders of the Us from the feared Soviet bomber invasion which, thank God, never materialized...when I was a young boy, I hwanted a Renwal Nike missile model kit in the worst way...I bugged my dad for the buck ninety five for the kit but by the time I got to the store, it was gone...the money was burning a hole in my pocket so I bought the now forgotten Revell F-89 Scorpion kit...if ot for that kit I never would have known of the aircraft...when I worked for Sikorsky Aircraft in the 80s & 90s I met a guy who was stationed in Greenland as an F-89 mechanic...the unique featture of the F-89 was a pair of wingtip pods that carried up to 104 'Mighty Mouse' rockets, designed to be fired in volleys against the expected swarm of Soviet bombers...
I think those old jets have the same type of cool as the cars from the 50s and 60s.
@@armadillotoe I agree, my friend...
If I the money & there was a decent airframe, it would make a great private aircraft. But sadly all are gone
It was F89s that fought the Battle Of Palmdale. A Navy F6F Drone broke radio lock over California. The USAF sent F89s to shoot it down. All that happened was rockets shot everywhere but at the drone. It finally ran out of gas over the desert.
It fired fucking NUKE missiles
A C-47 going 500 mph would need a tail wind in the area of 270 mph.
Maybe there was a hurricane in the area 😅
Good Point!!! Haha
It was a russian test plane. The american pilot crashed his plane when getting visual contact. It's coincidental. For sure the explanation is known in the american side but too humiliating to declassify.
I love this channel. I have only one suggestion: the narrator needs to slow down his rate of speech just a bit. At times, hes speaking so fast, his words sound jumbled.
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Here is my non-exciting theory. They reported severe icing. I think the radar station was picking up a return on a large concentration of precipitation, most likely supercooled water droplets. That would give a solid return on radar as its still in liquid state. As for its speed, it wasnt speed at all. It was where the precipitation changed from supercooled to snow, making it look like it was moving. He flew through it and that plane would not eat much ice given the shape of its wing and its speed especially, if it was super cooled water droplets. He flew through the precipitation, couldnt shed the ice and stalled. The precipitation scattered and thus looked as if it moved off. Id love to think UFO. I REALLY would! I just dont see that with this story, knowing very well, that airspace, that area geographically and the icing that exists there.
That's as good a plausible theory as any, but it doesn't explain the disk in the water, which may have been part of the aircraft itself, but you'd have to actually retrieve it to tell.
Would not be the first time that radar gave "false echoes" from meteorological causes.
I like this theory.
You seem to forget that the goverment has already confirmed that UFO's are real. But they don't know what they are. Remember when video from a jet was showed? Well their is more to that video we haven't seen. An this is the statement "A Pentagon spokesperson said in response to a freedom of information request by researcher Christian Lambright, “determined that the release of these materials would cause exceptionally grave damage to the National Security of the United States.”
This isn't some Alex Jones shit. This is a REAL statement. When a pilot says "What the fuck is that". An the object looks like a fucking classic UFO, something is going on. All we saw was the shape of the UFO in that video. I'm guessing the footage we aren't seeing, is the actual view of it. Honestly who the hell knows but apparently it would cause "Grave damage".
What altitude does icing normally form?
The C-47 was never capable of 500 mph airspeed.
I think he only said the Scorpion was going that fast.
Top speed of 636mph.....
No matter top speed it is NOT an agile aircraft
That 1 was
@@evanscott1239 also no top speed was less than 300mph dude
Another terrific and informative video.
The Kinross incident has been of interest to me for decades and it seems of not much interest to many investigative reporters.
For two military pilots to just vanish from radar while its target zips off that radar is a regrettably under reported story.
it happened 70+ years ago, they didnt know then, how the F would they know now?
My 1st time hearing about this incident. I thought I heard them all.
UFO
ah yes, the propeller powered military cargo plane with a top speed of 230 mph hit 500 mph and aggressively changed course a bunch of times during this, sounds legit
Ufo got em
Agreed it would have torn itself apart at that speed making sharp turns it wasn’t designed to withstand
exactly , even if it hit 350 it would never be on radar at 500. the climb rate after was impossible for any aircraft of the time.
All this from a piece of friggin gabagool?!
Does anyone else imagine the narrator wearing a suit, trenchcoat, fedora, and smoking filterless cigarettes?
@Dave Goldspink agreed. Definitely one of my favorite channels
Patrick McDaniel For some reason I imagine Damian Lewis as the narrator...
Probably due to the similar style of speaking I guess. Or maybe he's also a ginger 😆
I picture a very thin blonde fellow with a bow tie sitting in a dark room at a desk with a small goose neck lamp with a dim 7 watt bulb. He can hardly be seen as books are piled around him filling the surface of the desk. The only thing I don't understand what my minds eye sees is I can tell he is blonde.
I think of the conspiracy guys in the x-files
He is Asian,about 30. Lab coat is more likely.
Don't say, "There was no wreckage." Say, "They found no wreckage."
No say they reported no wreckage!
Unclehap Darragh good point
D JG he cab say what ever he wants. Who are you to tell someone what to say? Seriously?
@@lindanwfirefighter4973
It was common parlance for politely pointing out a logical error.
(P.S.-- you just told me what to say/not say.)
@@djg585 lol touche
Me and my father were returning from a fishing trip that night.We saw a flash in the night and heard what sounded like an explosion and a whooshing sound.My father went to the police to report it.Then,2 days later, we read the news in the paper.May be this was related to the incident.I'm now 94 and remember that night.The weather was horrible.
Any way to prove this?
Why would you go out fishing if the weather was so horrible? That sounds ridiculous.
@@beibei93 cause it can change fast? Cause fish bite better sometimes during overcast and right before storms. Lots of reasons
So many 94 year olds on youtube leaving comments these days.
@@jacksemporiumofstuff bahahaha
We learned about this in school. It's a local history.
For real ? Cool
What’s the consensus over there?
Never heard of it.
I grew up in Sault Ste Marie; I lived there 1965-1984. I never heard this story before, and it was not taught in any of my school classes. Interesting story though. I did go by the radar base at the edge of town on a regular basis, and Kincheloe AFB (in Kinross Township) was a real cold war ready base. I went to 4-H Camp near there for a couple summers. The basic story makes sense for locations, etc.
That said, Lake Superior is huge and generates all kinds of severe weather. The flight was in the middle of the lake in poor weather. Most likely this is bad target radar data, along with loss of orientation by a speeding pilot at relatively low altitude. (Maybe the pilot few into a weather system so severe it was showing up on AF radar, and it took him out.) It's an unfortunate loss of life for someone who was doing their duty for their country, and also some kind of cover-up/face saving for the AF, but not much to see here beyond that.
The Soo Locks??? I grew up on Lake Huron in MI. About 45 miles from the 'Big Mac'.... I ain't never heard of this incident until now............
I didn't know "Z" used to be called "ZEBRA". I was going to correct you that it's "ZULU" 2:45 but I learned now that change happened in 1956, three years later. Good job on your homework.
He was reading a statement and they probably typed zebra.
Zylofone. Duhhhh!
Several have changed since then. BRAVO - BUSH
Gen X Veteran...wow
Sounds like an old 27650 at work there.......I thought the exact same thing with zebra!zulu
I have never even heard this story before. Thanks for recording things like this so they aren't forgotten..
I will say one thing in defense of the investigators: sometimes they speculate, not always out of deception,
but because they really don't know.
A C-47 at 500 mph? ... That's called deception.
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Just say you don't know.
When that air force base was in operation you could be guaranteed to hear that "znt" on your AM radio with every radar sweep.
Imagine being one of the pilots in the jet trying to find the unidentified flying object RIP
"Have you seen this storm? We can't see sh- oh, there it is. . . "
* static *
@@isaacschmitt4803 yeah, but many people are conveniently ignoring the storm. Not to mentionthe fact that it's the perfect conditions to show up as a radar anomaly AND to cause an aircraft to crash when it meets said anomaly...
Possibly as if the two things are somehow both plausible and connected...
Yeah .. i am in a plane, trying to find a UFO .. wasn't that hard to imagine it to be honest
@@underwaterdick - Trouble is...the plane NEVER CRASHED...! Just vanished into thin air ( if the inside of a UFO is filled with thin air ! ).
For the last several years I’ve gone camping in the area with a group of friends. I couldn’t tell by the maps presented but it looks like the plane would have gone down in whitefish bay, perhaps close to where the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald lies. The area of the upper peninsula was home not only to Kinross but at the time of the incident RACO Field which is about 40 minutes west. At the time both bases used anti-aircraft batteries to protect the locks. There was also an experimental rocket launching facility on the Southern shore of Lake superior. I mention all this because it would not be out of the realm of possibility that there was some kind of experimental shenanigans going on.
Keweenaw Point Is much further than away. 150 miles or more.
Possibly but radar malfunction due to weather is a very plausible reason for the incident.
You didn't explain that RECO was an ABM missile base.
Stan Taylor I have been to RACO several times and ran my motorcycle on the runways. The triangular layout is very visible on satellite images. I was intrigued and looked up the Wikipedia entry. It appears that the history is an exact cut and paste with Kinross. The mission of those bases changed over the years. But it would appear that protection of The Soo Locks was a primary focus. The transportation of iron ore from Western lake superior, through the locks and down to Detroit, Sandusky and Cleveland industrial centers was of major strategic importance. However, the upper peninsula is very isolated and remote. A lot of the history seems to be lost, even to natives of the area.
Vern Scheck absolutely. I watched a couple other videos and there was some conflation regarding distances and landmarks. It does seem like there is more to the story and some willful, ambiguous information.
The Great lake's Dive company sounds Exactly like a Canadian/American Government Shelll Company
"Uh, yeah, we totally used, uh. . . Acme. Yup. No wait, Wil E. Coyote used them and they suck. Quick! Make something up!"
They should rub cheese across the Grate Lakes probably
Anybody remember the Glomar explorer?
@@ZnenTitan Yeah Howerd live in Vancouver Canada at the end of His life.
@@isaacschmitt4803 the us government did use acme I have a .50cal ammo box that was made by them that my uncle brought back from korea
nobody: how fast u wanna talk?
Dark Docs: yes!
Missing transmission between planes: "Don't come to us, these guys look like they're from outer space."
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@@ufotv-viral on facebook: prism planet
Um. You to realize that this happened again this year in the same area right? This time an F16 was scrambled with only the pilot, no weapons systems operator. The plane went down and it took them more than 2 days to announce that the pilot was deceased. There was nothing left of the plane once it hit the ground. The area was quickly secured 5000' in every direction
Ok big guy
@@Andrew-fv4sj You're welcome small guy
The F16 is an one man aircraft
I don't remember hearing anything about that, and I live in the Soo.
@@GuntherRommel December 9th 2020.
Gordon Lightfoot should write a song about it!
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He did
I think he's dead
@@DPoner You think wrong, he is still alive and doing shows!! 82 yrs old!!
That's why the C47 was such a successful cargo plane and was used so heavily in the Second World war by all allied nations,with its 550 mph top speed it was capable of out running even the very fastest fighter planes of the day,in fact rumour has it that the British were looking to the C47 to replace their much slower Spitfires,Hurricanes and Mosquitoes.
Graham: lol 😂
This is most likely false.
Although the c47 is fast, it is not agile, it would not have been a success fighter, a bomber? Maybe.
But definitely not a fighter.
and also to replace the Gloucester meteor???
Stories like this are so damn fascinating.....Nice one Dark!
I was stationed at Kincheloe AFB (renamed from Kinross) ten years after this event as a meteorological equipment repairman after the base had exchanged their F-89's for F-106's. By then Kincheloe shared air defense duties with K.I. Sawyer AFB's F-101's. While I never saw any odd machines moving through the air while there I have witnessed more than my share before and since up close and personal to make a believer out of me. Nothing like seeing something moving soundlessly through the air breaking every physical law you know to destroy your skepticism and remember, an opinion from someone whose never seen one is simply that, an opinion. As for all the conflicting "official" stories lookup "The Glimmer Man" for one possible answer to that.
well said DK...
@Dennis K .. I have met the Glimmer Man. .. I've heard 15 other people's description of encountering the Glimmer Man. .. AKA ---> Predator.
There was a guy on the Abovetopsecret forums ten years ago that while stationed at a base in the Pacific there was a small town (thats what he called it) where there was a number of people who lived there.. no military personnel was allowed to go the half mile and converse with the people there.. over time while he would jog around this area one of the men there tried to always make eye contact and was even trying to make contact with him.. on a Sunday he saw the man place a cup out where he jogged.. that next morning he ran by and picked up the cup and placed it in his water bottle.. when he finally got to his barracks and opened it.. he saw a letter.. when he read it.. the man said he was a pilot who was trying to get back to his family but the military wouldn't let him "out".. the man said his name was Felix Moncla.. the year was 1994.. he said the guy who wrote the letter looked maybe 35? Now the next day he wasn't able to jog or see the occupants at this town however the next day all its inhabitants were gone.. the story was 99% probably BS. but there was always something about it that gave me the creeps..
Wow! That's one hell of a story. Crazy...
They killed everyone. I was there. Murdered every last one. Even the cats.
@@JP-8469 Chairman Meow would never allow the cats to be murdered!
Shady things happen all the time.
@@JP-8469 how about the bees?
Perhaps one day, when technology permits, a detailed exploration of the bottom of Lake Superior can be made.
The F-89As, Bs and Cs were very trouble plagued jets with a high rate of structural problems mostly in the wings. The later D model addressed this. The old radar was dodgy so who knows what was causing the blips/returns. I do not know what happened but it may have been a structural failure which may have been made worse by airframe icing.
But yet, no wreckage was ever found.
Also, they were the ugliest jet fighter ever.
I believe you've right. The design of having the engines at the wing root with basically hoops connecting the wings to the fuselage was not very sound construction.
Thank you so much for producing this!!! I live up here in Michigan where we heard many stories of this! Being a nuclear deterrent during the cold war we had B-52 bases here. Many hundreds of UFO sightings happened during this time.. Back in the 60's this was a hot bed for sightings.. Imagine if there were camcorders and smart phones back then..
Lake Huron and Lake Superior NEVER give up their dead. There are indian legends about all kinds of spirits around that vast area....
Very true. Edmond Fitzgerald....
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Some of the earliest dogman sightings in the 1800s come from the great lakes region. There are stories about bigfoot creatures, but also giant wolves walking upright....
@@christineparis5607 I know. It's truly fascinating. I lived in Sault Ste Marie Canada for a short time and read lots of stories. Heard lots from locals too
The lake it is said never gives up her dead...
@@msmith7860
Can you tell me about the strangest cryptid encounter you ever heard from a local or person you knew if you have heard anything about that? I'm always interested in people who live there and what they hear about/ have seen. I'm not trying to get proof, I just love hearing unusual experiences from the actual places...
My theories: 1: accident due the weather conditions. 2: a covered up friendly fire incident with the Canadians. 3: least likely, but possible, a USSR spy aircraft shot it down in self defense.
4: Aliens
6: SCP-3551
7. Epstein did kill himself.
A friendly fire incident is very likely scenario. If it was weather they probably would have called it a training accident and I doubt the ussr would have been in that particular area.
@David Parry there were quite a few incidents which could have caused the outbreak of WW3 but didn't because they were covered up by both sides - nobody wanted to die in in a nuclear blast after all.
I'm reading a book about the bombing campaign against japan in ww2. It's crazy to me how many bombers were lost to accidents vs the enemies fighters. And not like crashes, I mean like engines randomly flaming out and burning the bomber. It's really not that crazy that a jet, especially early jet fighters, could have a accident and crash.
Those B-29s had an awful lot of trouble with their (also brand new) engines at first
@@oxcart4172 reading whirlwind and man ....they are bad
It was aliens.
Yes, many losses in Vietnam were also maintenance or reliability related. Especially in helicopters.
Flying hundreds of flight hours in a very machine unfriendly environment, with maintenance carried out from anywhere and everywhere.
With mission being priority over reliability...
Of course there is a massive possibility that the aircraft crashed of its own accord. Especially as it was heading for an area with extreme weather and trying to find a contact. Perfect conditions for pilot fixation, disorientation and mistakes.
That doesn't explain the anomalous radar signal.
The UFO was actually a huge Pacman head, and it ate the pursuit plane like a blip on the game screen.
And then, with its now enhanced offensive capabilities, finally turned on the Ghosts that had been chasing it in a dogged pursuit. Reports show that all the Ghosts were either destroyed or reported MIA. This would later be confirmed as the last time a Flying Pacman Head would do battle in the skies above the US.
Most plausible theory.
I concur.
No, that was Baba Booey's choppers.
The F-89 scorpion is an insane looking jet I love it
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When USAF was amateurish at doing coverups
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You speak quickly, but you are always understandable. That's a rare gift. If you don't have one already, that should get you a very nice career in narration and voice over work.
Should do one about the Mantell ufo incident
The ground control radar operator had misread the scope. In fact, the F-89 had successfully completed the mission, intercepting and identifying the UFO as a Dakota-a Royal Canadian Air Force C-47 aircraft-flying some 30 miles off course. Lieutenant Moncla, probably stricken with vertigo, crashed into the lake during the return to base. Canadian officials refuted the account-no flights had taken place in the area that night.
Why would the CRAF deny something like this?
How does a C-47 Dakota, with a top speed of 224 mph, show on a radar scope as flying 500 mph?
2:40 It's not Zebra... It's Zulu. It just means UTC. The aviation world uses Zulu (aka UTC or GMT) time to standardize time since both information and aircraft often cross time zones.
Bro cry about it
@@reeseb4005 lmao
At the time (1953), Z was Zebra in the phonetic alphabet (until 1956). As Zulu is short for "Zero Time" (hence "Z"), Zebra is actually correct for the period. I had to look it up because it bothered me, too, but they got it correct.
@@MatthewCongrove Good call.
Learn your history bro 🙄🙄🙄
Finally some creepy content.
I was missing these.
Love the cold war/WWI or II content but the lack of "horror" content was a little bit dissatisfying.
I don't know, some of those "Cold War almost got hot" stories are a little chilling. . .
Was going to comment something similar.
I appreciate the obscure stories, and how frequent the uploads have become, but for a good while now, they haven't felt so 'dark'...
holy fucking shit i just wrote the exact same thing in nmy comment but added i knew (read: HIGHLY SPECULATE) they stopped doing the ufo stuff cuz of youtube demonitizing conspiracy channels. dark doc still doing wwI and II stuff just not old soviet conspiracies or ufo shit cuz those can actually be construed as conspiracy by yts terms. if you have noticed A LOT of these channels have kinda just faded into the aether
@@Spenjira I had thought about that too. I noticed a few months back they deleted a video they had made about Russia setting up bases on islands of Finland, and then shortly after started doing more historical-focused videos. Though didn't that conspiracy/demonetization policy occur much earlier in 2019?
It'd be a shame if it's just as simple as monetization, but I guess until they overtly say why, *we'll* be the ones that remain in the dark...
@@ScreechingPossum when someone says something's demonetised it also implies a lot more things. When RUclips demonetizes a channel it's not making money for them so that also goes along with not making it preferable in the algorithm and, depending on how much it breaks their rules, it might even be delisted completely unless searched for specifically.
One of the better UFO incidents, strange circumstances and a military cover up. The US airforce gave multiple explanations none of which explained what really happened. Also a none existent dive company. Love this one, another great video.
Love it I've lived in SSM, MI most my life and most ppl don't realize more disappearances happen over the great lakes then the Bermuda triangle.
Haha you're from the Saulter too, eh? Nice. Born and raised myself (Ontario)
@@GuntherRommel Nice your right across the river then.
IFF means Identity, Friend or Foe. It’s a transponder on aircraft that when queried by another it will give a squawk. If it doesn’t it’s an enemy aircraft. Transponders send a set of codes to radars such as 7777 and many others.
It’s so radar operators can differentiate between hundreds of the same aircraft type.
In case you were wondering.
When there’s not enough time to have watched the video yet and people are trying to comment like they’ve seen it to get likes.... ya’ll thirsty for that digital dopamine huh lmao
There are some with privileged technology and time slipped to have already seen this video. The rest of us have to sit and watch... including those damn irritating commercials. LoL
I pause video, and comment, on discrepancies I may or may not understand, I comprehend where your going though.
@@thomaspownall2989 Did you find any discrepancies in this video.?
Do people really comment for someone to like their comment? I've never understood why that's a big deal....
Gimme that reward chemical bro
Wondering if it was common practice to send up only one plane to intercept a radar report like this , just adds to the mystery :)
1:19 of course the lieutenant doesn’t know where to go!
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The deal back then was prevent public hysteria. Today the response from the public would be, "cool."
Maybe his plane disintegrated in a tracker beam and he was transported into the star ship USS Enterprise
Joe I’m not sure you can transport during tractor beam extraction with Federation ships, however, the Borg cube ships did have that capability. The pilots have probably been disseminated by now. I have to return to my padded room now.
@alan wilson Or TREK Tor beam? ⚡
@@Beobout6 He is referring to an episode of TOS but it was an F-104. They did teleport the pilot off as the tractor beam was destroying the plane.
I don’t think it happened because the Kelvin timeline altered everything???
Lol... all of the experts chiming in on how fast a C-47 can go. Completley missed the 1000%, ultra blatant inference that there was never a C-47.
The expert missing the point that the C 47 is an obvious lie based on the fact that it couldn't possibly go that fast? Just like the still classified "weather balloon" from 73 years ago. (must be one hell of an accurate weather predicting capability we have since it's still classified)
John Sansker You're trying to argue with someone who agrees with your standpoint lol
@@johnsansker7064 Its was classified because the balloons had state of the art equipment for detecting signs of nuclear blasts over the USSR. I'm pretty sure they aren't classified anymore as they are pretty well documented in the public domain. Fun fact: the Russians figured out how to shoot down later spy balloons and used the captured undeveloped film in their space probes as they couldn't reproduce such a high quality film stock at the time.
@@meetoo594 And first the AF denied there were bodies at the Roswell crash site but after multiple credible claims, in their 1994 report, they stated they were crash test mannequins. !! When it was pointed out that crash test mannequins were not used until the early '50s and the Roswell crash occurred in '47, the AF spokesperson stated that the witnesses must have gotten their dates wrong and mixed it up with a 1956 and/or 1959 incident! Seriously! And the news media let that explanation go!
@@goliathonscave9834 Source for this? And by source I mean a credible paper not some conspiracy nuts personal blog.
It probably plowed in the lakes.
Mihai Bica in all honesty it probably crashed into the lake and they didn’t know why so made it up and the Canadians don’t want to admit being involved a crash killing two American lieutenant
Probably crashed from icing rather then space alien laser beams
Shouldn't it have left wreckage ?
Benoit Vanhees the lakes are way to deep to recover the wreckage left
@@Retroscoop "The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down the big lake they called Gitche Gumee,
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead, When the skies of November turn gloomy…"
1:48 Maverick searching for the UFO in his F-14 tomcat. Gotta love these videos.
I still remember this amazing story back in '57, when our whole family got really fascinated by UFOs. We went to our small town library, and checked out that book by Major Keyhoe, which hadn't been out long.
Seems like a lifetime ago now.
Worked at that decommissioned radar facility, the whole inside of the building was mounted like a tanks turret. The whole structure would spin to aid in pointing the massive dish. The building had a very eerie presence, anyway.. built the cell site up there. Its wild.
See these are the kinda of short vids we like...interesting and keeps you watching!
Well, some of us actually have attention spans a bit longer and can stay interested in full length documentaries.
Those pilots are still flying in another dimension.
amazing content
wAnT tO bE yOoToOb fReNs, hurr durr!!
Agreed
@@GODCONVOYPRIME only if you promise never to do that again.
I'm not usually one to suggest future content, however I believe an investigative video on the Phoenix Lights incident in 1997 would be very interesting from your perspective.
Fun story, I was barely even a pilot yet in 97, but I had a friend who was a government contractor pilot and flew all over the west coast back then. He was in the area at the time flying sensitive cargo and witnessed the incident. While he's told me a fair share about the event in passing, he didn't go into too much detail for a while after it happened as he was instructed to sign an NDA by his superior where he was stationed. I'm not gonna give to much up, but he did have the understanding from overhearing conversations that while it was in fact an "aircraft", it was not suppose to be "known about." Alot of members in his unit were under the impression that it was an advanced technology demonstrator and that the air force had a navigational failure and lost control.
Either way, it's a very interesting story that still has alot of mystery behind it. No one knows for sure what happened or what they witnessed, at least no one who's going to admit anything. Keep up the great work.
Having flown the scorpion in War thunder a couple hundred times my guess is he probably just ripped his own wings off, The scorpion just loves to do that for some ungodly reason
Haven't opened it up yet but im close lol
Someone hire this man. Your docs are so good dude.
Dark Docs hired him.
They need a fact checker. So many aviation terms being misused.
I wonder if the Russians have wacky shows like this on their media.
much more wacky
You bet. Russia is the golden land of superstition and conspiracy theories.
What media ?
Russia has a lot of UFO and mysterious event stories.
@@darrellgrant7615 state media
Interesting, they claimed it was almost due north of my house where I am sitting right now. That is a REALLY big freakin lake, finding a large ship is difficult, a small interceptor is going to be very hard to find. Going into the lake any time between September and July is inadvisable, hypothermia sets in quickly. We are kinda far north up here.
Interesting. Remember reading about this in a comic book that covered UFo stories, back in the early 80's.
2:25 "The two dots on the radar met and.........converged." I like the pause for dramatic effect, despite two object converging on a radar screen is totally normal and happens whenever planes cross paths and different elevations. lol
But they never diverged again...
@@tomat6362 That's because the c47 opened its cargo door and the interceptor folded its wings and flew inside.
Excellent video, I may have never known of this incident if it wasnt for Dark Docs. Great work as always!
A federation starship came back in time. unfortunately using its tractor beam caused the airplane to disintegrate. The 2 crewmembers were beamed to the starship. When the starship returned to the future the crewmembers had to go along. Later on this incident inspired an episode of a 1960s television program, with some changes to the story.
I never made that connection….even as a Star Trek TOS enthusiast….but yes, the stories are similar and I could see how a writer would use the Kinross Incident as a model for the script “Tomorrow is Yesterday”
This video is a great reminder that “UFO” doesn’t mean aliens
But it certainly can.
@@jakepin890 yeah but doesn’t mean it’s aliens
Seemingly many planes have been taken in mid air. Many have been seen to be captured.
Linda Moulton Howell still talks about this on Ancient Aliens
Some sort of crash; the F-89 pilot "lost the horizon" and went into the lake. As to what he was chasing; now that is the mystery.
I lived in the u.p... One year we were experiencing large random booms..huge ones.
Like loud outside random booms? Ive heard of this strange occurrence
Sonic booms from jets?
Those were Sonic books from the fighter jets. In the mid 60's they would break the sound barrier at night. I was spending the night with a friend, sleeping in a hay fort in the barn. Then the booms started at about 10 pm. There were 4 or 5 in a row. Must have been a wing detachment. My friend said it was a giant walking across the pasture coming towards the barn!!! I wanted to run for his house for protection. Wow!! Only ten at that time.
Must have bothered the hell out of all those Bigfeets.
i grew up in the eup, about 15 min from kincheloe. the random sonic booms came from all directions and broke a lot of windows. once, from my bedroom window i watched a refueling gone wrong. the bomber was looow , the tanker was pulling upward with its hose dangling. i could see glittery liquid pouring to the ground. flat land here, oats and hay are the main crops.
big bundles of flack were dropped in the fields. farmers made complaints, and the booms and shredded metal stopped about the same time.
Did some research on this, the F-89 was Northrop's last active role in aircraft design. The wing attach fittings were milled out of a new aluminum alloy that as it turned out was vunerable to "notching" that is, any fault along a sharp edge would likely develop into a spreading crack. The wing of the F-89 was both thin and broad for it's wing span, like the Canberra, only more-so. That means the wing attach fittings were more than normally subject to developing cracks. Such a number of these aircraft were lost to structural failure that the airforce demanded that Northrop pilots fly them back to the factory for replacement of the faulty wing attach fittings.
"The truth is out there".
There is no truth
@@chrissinclair4442 Stfu couch philosopher.
@@chrissinclair4442 asshole
@@chrissinclair4442 Son of a....LIAR!
Truth out there
"..and the 2 dots merged.." & "..it continued on its course.." are scary statements.
10:30 Missing Website, you say??
This looks like a job for:
*"THE WAYBACK MACHINE!!"*
Rhyme Ice! A build up of Ice on surfaces, plane becomes impossible to control and, crashed into the Lake.
Yet no wreck ever found anywhere in 70 years...!
How common is it for a military pilot in charge of a jet engine, and with hundreds of hours of flight experience, to suddenly experience vertigo?
Also, in a two man aircraft, would it be possible for the navigator to take over or do something if a catastrophic incident occurred with the pilot?
Hi! year later the second seat for the F 89B (and D) did not have flight controls. It was purely a navigational and radio position. However, if the pilot lost consciousness, you would certainly expect a transmission from the copilot
The floating ice cloud is the best and most plausible explanation of all the others but Im sure there would have been time for a mayday and/or some debris found. I do find it a little suspicious that nobody has even mentioned Mothra? It was 1958 so at least 3 years before its epic brawl with Rodan
"It was a weather balloon reflecting the light from the planet Venus -nothing unnatural -do you understand?"
Viewed through a haze of swamp gas
The ease by which the military lies is amazing
Would be good protocol to continuously transmit when meeting a ufo.
this version of narration is better than the sped up version like on other videos.
Roswell Army Air Field. Every time I see RAAF I think Royal Australian Air Force.
You Kangaroo guys don't exist...!
From the statement in the video, he made it sound like they don't know if it sped horizontally out of range, or vertically...
This means that the return basically vanished suddenly, like it was never a positive return in the first place.
No coincidence that they were experiencing bad localised snow storms I would say...
Sounds like someone messed up scrambling a jet into weather that killed them, thinking it was an aircraft.
Blame Canada. Love it. That song from the South Park movie is stuck in my head now lol.
A C-47 flying at 500 mph? Hahahaha! That idea was wacky!
Whoa! What’s this? DD going back to the episode structure it used when I subbed? No way, I must be dreaming
The way he said Vessel Traffic @ 0:50 lol
lovely video
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A fighter pilot who suffers from vertigo and a C-47 that can fly at over 500 MPH? yeah, ok then, that sounds plausible.
2:57 "Shortly". Does that mean the time from when the plane decended below the Radar beam and the crash or is it something longer?
Oh yeah, 500mph C47. That's a good one!
Love this channel
Thanks for the hours of vids
Intriguing story. Has anyone else noticed that many formerly popular RUclips channels on UFOs appear to have been deleted..?
I think your confused, this was a Star Trek ep. Tomorrow is Yesterday. "0_o"
On a side note, it's common knowledge that the US military pushed out a lot of contradictory and often confusing information with the intent to draw away from experimental aircraft. Just enough to make alien UFO's a possibility. This means that statements and eyewitness reports from the time this subterfuge was employed should be viewed with skepticism. The simple question of what would the government do given the choice? Admit that yes it was a top secret prototype aircraft or Ya know what? We have no idea. But it probably wasn't aliens..... maybe. This story sounds like it was pulled from the same blueprint they used to color the story on Roswell.
diGritz1 just a crazy thought, but what if it was a Russian jet, and it had to shoot him down to keep it secret? Cool thought
Heavy icing is deadly!
Was the Scorpion fully FIKI rated?
They can't even take the time, to cover it up good... arrogant..........
cover up declassified stuff - makes sense
Now this is a true mystery story. Love watching this stuff on a Sunday morning. Week done 👍
Right, the C-47 was moving at 500 knots. LMFAO. Sure it was!
I have had personal contact with balls of lights and have seen the saucer flying. I have also seen the balls of lights merge and disappear into the sky. Amazing!