Why Do We LOVE To Hate Watch?
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Awesome video!
Hate not-watching is less frustrating and more satisfying than hate watching.
Get ready to have blindfolds to spice things up.😊
Agreed. I don’t go out of my way to watch something I know I am not gonna like
That or watch reactors watch the bad show and get angry about the show. At least they're entertaining! 🍿
This is the way.
I know right.
“By hate watching something, you’re giving the show lots of attention and high ratings! THINK MARK THINK!”
WHAT WILL YOU HAVE WHEN THE SHOW GETS A SEASON 3!?
FACTS
Not if you watch others hate watching it
@@triggerfairy4070 And thus encouraging more youtubers to hate watch it for the views!
That's one way to say you don't know what piracy is.
One example is can think of is The Last of Us 2.
Laura Bailey got bullied online for something she had no control over to the point they were threatening her child! All because of what her character does in the game! She just voices the character as well!
Hate the characters, NOT the actors!
What?! That’s insane!
I think we have to assume that these people either have issues, are mentally unwell or are “trolling”, because there’s absolutely no way a sane human being could do stuff like that
this feels similar to Genshin Impact with Dottore, to my knowledge the voice actor(s) dont get sent any threatening messages but the community hates the character so much that FANS will get sent death threats all because Dottore is a really cruel villain who experimented on 2 fan faves
Some people just can't separate reality from fiction, it's honestly rather sad.
@@Pickle_Candy I agree.
The way Velma is written, I wouldn't be shocked if they tease Norville getting a dog, only for it to be Scrappy Doo instead of Scooby.
They might or it could be a tech gizmo. If I recall, there was a secret plan, called Scooby in season one.
I can't believe you predicted Scrappy Doo appearing but not Scooby
Also Mystery Skulls pfp spotted. Love that series so much!!!
I struggle with hate watching sometimes because it can drive me to the point of frustration. In general it’s fun to nitpick the stupid decisions, and trying to figure out what went wrong. But I prefer something so bad it’s good because it’s so entertaining.
@@rodneyramos2433 I can get that, maybe even do it with certain shows, but it depends on how entertaining it is.
I think it's easier with a group of friends
@@G_Zilly I don’t?… that’s why I made this comment in regards to hate watching, ya know because it’s the topic of the video? I prefer so bad it’s good, because it can be hilarious and not irritating.
@@CosmosGem yeah I agree, kind of in a what went wrong kind of way. It’s easier when you have someone to play off of
@@rodneyramos2433 I don’t think you properly read my comment
Excuse me but personally, I'm _far_ beyond the petty nature of hate watching media. Instead, I go out to watch another RUclipsr's video on it and based the entirety of my opinion and knowledge of said hated TV show or movie on that😤
We are not the same
Brother!
🗣️Speak louder for those in the back!!🔊
I watch the honest trailer for bad mcu and star wars shows cuz I know I'll never have the time to watch em
I am far beyond hate watching because I pirate the shit I wanna hate watch. But then again i'd rather watch a youtube video hating on it lol.
😜 granted its often a show i did watch but became just .. like the flash. And i hate the ones that go with woke or stuff, and a good indicator thats good criticism is that they try to find good thingsand like it. That said, quality roast reviews doing that , are 😜
Vivzie telling people to grow up makes my day. As somebody who wants to create and is working on a passion project, I'm genuinely afraid of people trying to tear it limb from limb because they lack media literacy to the point that any percieved flaw or moral impurity opens the floodgates to rabid hate watchers.
I think this topic of hate watching could benefit from a video on purity policing and the sanitization of art because I've noticed that a sizable amount of hate watching is fuelled by a new wave of moral purity culture. Which is very scary as an artist because art is Meant to make you uncomfortable. It's also scary as a media consumer because purity culture is so steeped in far-right religious circles. The logic being fronted by queer teens in fandom spaces trying to protect themselves is going to actively erase the representation that they want so badly. And I'm genuinely afraid that will lead to a new-age Hayes code.
Gawd..... Forget lack of media literacy, the lack of basic literacy I come a cross on a daily basis is depressing. There's no short supply of people who think "I bet you use a thesaurus" is an insult, and to be "truly intelligent," you have to put things in ways that a small child could grasp. Tell me you're the reason presidential speeches are written to a 6th grade reading level without telling me. Reminds me of undergrad English. This is the hell postmodernism gave us.
And to add, forget the Hayes code. There's already a big push going on to reaffirm Comstock laws.
I agree.
"Art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable." (Cesar A Cruz)
It sounds like these new age puritans are akin to Disney parents, where they believe all creative content should be made safe, cozy, and wholesome.
Preach it!
I wanted to make fanart for Helluva Boss /Hazbin Hotel for years and years but was scared because of how much moral rage and attacks on fan artists I saw online. I finally started making it once I realized I was ashamed to let weird puritan internet strangers hate watching/stalking a specific creator influence what art I made.
Especially 2 shows that meant a lot to me on a message of "traumatized hurt people can heal and change and be less shitty and make better choices and connect with others in healthy ways- you are not just broken forever" insult it all you want. the shows have a ton of fans that find inspiration/comfort for that shit and its INSANE to attack anyone over a tv show.
George R.R. Martin flat out calls this out in multiple interviews. Just how things have gotten toxic in fandoms and why people watch something if the goal is anger and not joy.
He brings up the Star Wars Fandom just how the only thing is anger and hate just hate how Disney ruined everything how all the sequel trilogy films are bad, and how the shows are bad, and how every Star Wars project is just bad. To never acknowledge stuff like visions, Bad Batch, tales of the Jedi, or The final season of the clone wars cartoon. Just to be angry and upset all the time and be perpetually frustrated at a franchise and to always accenuate the negative.
This is what Kelly Marie Tran, David Lloyd (The actor who was young anakin in phantom menance) and Amhed Best (The guy who was Jar Jar Binks) faced from Star wars fans. You don't have to like Jar Jar, just don't send death threats to the guy who played him or to kelly marie tran for Last Jedi. They did their job, they didn't ruin your childhood, they appeared in movies people didn't like and I just move on.
I personally don't like to hate watch, if I don't get enjoyment from a show or movie, then it's not worth my time returning to. But I can see why people would enjoy it. Dissecting why a scene or joke doesn't work can be fun. As long as they only criticize, not attack those involved in making it, then I see no issue with it. A shame so many do attack them.
I agree. If you're not hurting anyone, it's fine.
You have a good point.
Some writers deserve it because they push an evil message on purpose. Like when the My Hero Academia writer intentionally derailed the plot to teach abuse victims that they should forgive their abusers for literally no reason & that fighting in self defense makes you a hero & absolves you of all wrongdoing. Or when he said that the token child predator (who he consistently portrays as a hero) is the character he relates with most.
People let writers & actors get away with far more than they'd ever let RUclipsrs get away with. If Vaush for example, were a writer or an actor, no one would care about any of the creepy stuff he's said.
At some point in my 30s I learned a lesson, that just because I don't enjoy something, that doesn't mean it's sh*t, & I don't get to judge it for it. Instead, I adopted a perspective that the people who do get to judge are people who have produced better, themselves. Are some things objectively bad? Absolutely. But you know what? Tommy Wiseau has put out better movies than I have 😅
@@D_YellowMadness
MHA author wasn’t trying to say abusers are good lmao. What a weird interpretation
4:28 I don't think people hate watch Sonic Boom. Like I see a bunch of praise for being legitimately funny
One of the worster sonic shows but still a very amusing/funny show
@@Boltofbrilliance122not the worst?
I know a lot of people didn’t like the Sonic Boom games but you’re right about the show itself. I’ve seen ambivalence at worst
Sonic Boom was the first Sonic show to be any kind of good.
@@D_YellowMadness The original Sonic show? Sonic X?
Hate Watching is how Teen Titans Go got so big.
That's why I stay away from watching it
I almost forgot about that show...brain washing time
this video has made me feel so good about myself. i have literally never hate watched anything. if i know i wont like something, i dont waste my time on it. if i find myself disliking something im watching, i just stop. am i patting myself on the back with this comment? youre GODAMN RIGHT I AM!
I personally *don’t* like to hate watch. If I’m not a fan of a property, you can be sure that I’m not gonna give it watch time.
However, I enjoy seeing other people’s takes on things I don’t like in case I was wrong. If I was and it catches my attention, I’ll likely go back and check it out. If I was right, than it adds to my confirmation bias.
That's a good way to approach things
That's what I feel. I'll see what others are saying about the hated show (like I saw a lot of people talk of Velma) but I never actually watch the show. If I hear it's bad, if I hear people say it's horrible, I'm not gonna watch it
This right here, you explained exactly how I feel. If people say it’s bad, then I don’t bother watching it
I’m the exact same way
😊😊😊
I’m not a fan of hate watching myself. I really don’t enjoy the feeling of being angry or frustrated, so I never quite understood why people enjoy it. I’d much rather watch something good and entertaining. I’d say the closest I get to hate watching is watching video essays to find out what shows suck so I can avoid them, and satisfy the curiosity of why it sucks too.
Same. I appreciate this video because I've never understood the point of hate watching. I love video essays though, both on good and bad properties, because they evaluate the media in its context with occasional examples of outside discourse.
Same. If what I'm watching isn't serving me, why watch it? What doesn't add to my life takes from it.
Back in the days, I often hate watched stuff (usually youtube videos) because I thought hating on something is cool, and makes you a bigger person. Over the years, I realized hate watching is very unnecessary, and doesn't makes you a better person nor interestinger person. (I'm glad I am no longer a "cool person" wannabe) I no longer find good stuff about hate watching, and it only made me feel empty and made me question my existence. "Why did I watched it?" "Why I am doing this to myself?" "Why I made myself waste a lot of time?" I began to enjoy the smallest things in life, and avoid stuff, that makes me angry (being angry is compeletly natural, but making yourself angry is not good!) Actually, making yourself angry is very very unhealty. My father often makes himself angry over the smallest things, and he is very unhealty phisically and mentally. Making yourself angry can make you a really unhappy and unhealty person, maybe it can even make you die faster! (I am not a doctor, so i am not too sure about the dying part)
So basically, hate watching has no benefit, makes you unhappier and also not healty mentally and phisically. I am glad I am no longer get so easily manipulated. (Manipulated by other person, by saying "oh hate on this, and that is gonna make you cooler")
The thing is I rarely get angry or frustrated when I hate-watch, I tend to just laugh at how bad something is or have ironic enjoyment watching it.
It remember me a gag in the french comic Achille Talon
Achille was watching a show on TV and said "I can't believe it, every episode is worst the previous one"
then the father arrive and ask "well, why do you watch every episode without missing any?"
Achille answer "because if I miss one, all my theory falls apart! hop"
That was honestly me with Riverdale. Thankfully I watched reviews on it instead of actively watching the show but at some point I just couldn't stop.
I have never hate-watched a single thing in my life. The result: Clear skin, no forehead wrinkles, and genuine smiles :)
I feel like with Velma hate watching worked against us, because it gave the network the impression that we wanted more. Hate watching gives the show views and stats that great shows don't get.
Season 2 was green-lit with season 1. We did nothing.
That's why if I want to watch something out of morbid curiosity; I watch a pirated version so I can watch it for free & Dumbass Hollywood gets NOTHING from me in return!!!
Well, given S2 is a massive flop, it won't be a bad thing. The hit to exec wallets will be well deserved.
Honestly, I'm even not mad there's a 2nd season. It'll be entertaining to watch everyone tearing it down for the second round 🍿
The phrase 'You can't please everyone' means a lot more now than it used to, especially for creatives. Media doesn't just exist in the background of life anymore and everyone's opinions are loud and constant. At this point I think the best thing for art is for creators to put out the work they are proud of and never see people's reactions.
I have to disagree with that. As an artist, criticism is very important for our growth. If you can't take criticism then you can't be an artist. Of course I will ignore the haters but if I can improve on something then I would love to hear others opinions on my art and stories.
@@grasshopper9706 I halfway agree with you. I'm also an artist and I value people's opinions when I ask for them. A constant barrage of differing opinions, especially on who you are as a person for making what you did (sometimes long after you've stopped working on a project or considered it complete) isn't a critique and can be damaging to the creator. Consider that Steven Universe fanart artist.
Edit: I'm also considering the perspective of a very popular creator. To us little guys any feedback is valuable, but when what you make is so popular, you often don't have the capacity to take it all in and still be well or get anything constructive out of it.
@@jlp11889 True. But once you get that popular. You can have a team of people to look at that for you. It is also easy to differentiate between constructive criticism and insults. What Saber said about Sonic the Hedgehog proves that listening to your audience is often a great choice for improvement. I wish more companies went with this route instead of ignoring everyone all together. (For example Disney)
@@grasshopper9706 I agree that high-value, big production teams need to take audience feedback into consideration more often and that a loud discourse has provided positive change (especially with Sonic). But unless you have those teams and platforms, I still don't think such feedback is very helpful and I disagree that constructive criticism and insults are very different. People reading this might think we're arguing with full feelings when at least on my end I'm just having a conversation. Tonality is easily misconstrued with text. A single creator would most likely suffer from being overwhelmed by feedback if what they made was popular enough, which is why teams are important down the line; since a massive response can be detrimental to one person.
Edit: What I gather from what you're saying is that you can't be a popular artist alone without suffering, and I agree with that. Let me know if I'm wrong, tho.
@@grasshopper9706You still can't please everyone. If you try, you will end up pleasing no one. You will ended trying to pandering too many people and ruined your own vision of what you wanted to make.
Great video bro, Thinking on it personally. I don't think I've hate watched in a while, as I've gotten older my patience wears thin faster so If I'm not making a video for the show I'm hate watching, after 3 bad episodes in a row, I'm done with it. Same goes for Arcs in shows I actually like, if more than 5 episodes are bad, I'm shelving & may come back to it later.
If the hate watching is not for a job/review I wanna spend my time doing things I actually enjoy instead of wasting it on something Meh tbh cause my time is really important to me these days.
I personally think Watch is a pretty chill dude and dont hate him at all.
I think Watch is a pretty decent show. I don't get why people hate it so much.
I heard that eh runs throo doors and doesn't afraid of anything! How can you hate a guy like that?!
The synchronized dance followed by the tiny rock floating by, will never not make me laugh. Thanks for the added meme for the extra layer of silliness that was 'The Last Avatar' movie.
I find it funny how the bad timing made it so people missed the point of that scene and took it out of context and now it’s a whole meme
I personally think Hate watching is a self defeating method of expressing dislike to a certain show or movie, since while they are being proven on how bad it is, they're too deep in hatred to realize they're unknowingly fuleing the thing they hate to be bigger, like with Velma since it ended up getting a 2nd season and the most watched Max original via hate watching.
It doesn't. 😂
That not the reason for the second season, but it is for the third and fourth and fifth.
It's also annoying for people who really doesn't care about the hate watching culture. I personally just want to watch things I enjoy and talk about things I enjoy. But RUclips pushes hate watching culture on me so much and I can't fucking take it anymore. My breaking point was with Velma. I don't give a flying shit about Velma. I don't want to watch Velma, I don't want to talk about Velma, I don't care about Velma, but it was all people would fucking talk about online, and it even breached into my real life with my friends talking about how much the show sucked, and I hated it. Thank fuck that people don't talk about Velma much anymore, but the attitude people had for Velma still continues on to this day even with movies that haven't even come out yet, like with Inside Out 2 and Moana 2. I can't just fucking watch a trailer to a movie I look forward to without RUclips shoving hatedom down my fucking throat anymore. And that's with actively clicking the "not interested" and "don't recommend this" buttons.
@zoguy6988 Damn dude, sorry to hear that.
I think a good reason why your 'hate' videos get more views might just be because, in my experience at least, I click because the title is interesting and I know it's a movie I'm not ever going to watch. So, checking it out via your videos helps to keep me in the loop, while also being like "Yeah, wow, that weird foreign film is really weird" . I would also click an 'over the garden wall' video because I also love it, but it probably doesnt do as well because the fan base is still relatively small
An innate problem with hate watching is that desire for validation and community. Especially when they don’t even try to understand why something is popular when they don’t like it.
I like RWBY. I like Miraculous. I like Fairy Tail. Three shows that would make too many geeks only look at me like I’m mentally deranged. Because their indulgence in hate watching leads them to think that their view of the thing being a blight on humanity is fact actually.
They don’t consider opposing viewpoints because they know it will ruin the experience that brought them that serotonin of dunking, raving and sharing their feelings with other people.
And so they drum up narratives like fans being “apologists” for such obviously low quality or being unable to “take criticism” when their tales are so much as challenged.
I agree.
@@ExtremeMadnessX It's sort of like alcohol and the risk of addiction, especially when in an overly emotional state. In moderation with the light stuff, it's a neutral factor. But some do get too indulgent in it all.
SERIOUSLY!!! Although, w/ RWBY, I feel like the bad guys win WAY TOO often...but that's really my ONLY nitpick w/ the show. & Don't Even Get Me STARTED On Cinder!!!
@@ZeldaSam1 Eh, I mean the show is kind of a long form story similar to Fullmetal Alchemist. The bad guys win or at least get away to try again. It's more of a push and pull dynamic.
That said, there's a veritable cottage industry of hating RWBY. It really illustrates how negativity really just sells better, something the Jimquisition explained best: ruclips.net/video/FywC0YQFxD0/видео.html
I know right. I watched RWBY when I was younger, and then kinda fell out of the series sometime before the creator died. Heard about some of the drama, then stopped keeping up with the show. My siblings however, constantly talked about how bad the new seasons were. I didn't care about the show, so I didn't questioned them, but when I decided to go on a nostalgia trip over quarantine, I watched the newer seasons trying to see what my sibs were talking about, and I really didn't understand what they were talking about. It was different, sure. A bit more depressing and serious then the first seasons, but that wasn't a bad thing by any means. I truly didn't understand where my siblings were coming from with how much they hated the seasons. I still don't to this day.
I don't hate watch because I have anxiety, and hate watching absolutely raises my stress levels.
This too. I have enough stress in my life to hate watch a TV show. I already watch the news.
Another reason I don't hate watch, it's not good for your mental health
Sometimes, hate watching can be fun especially if it's a show that everyone doesn't like. For example, Velma. Nobody likes that show. Some people don't even watch because they know it's gonna be downright awful! Even if we don't like it, it's still fun to poke at!
Gotta feeling that’s gonna be the cause for Megamind vs the doom syndicate. That trailer did not show anything of quality and it’s just asking to be torn apart.
Truth!
I tried so hard to get some of my friend to hate watch it with me, but it was so bad they didn't even want to make fun of it 😄 I got my friends to hate watch That 90s Show and How I Met Your Father, but Velma was too far
I think Velma is too mean and sour of a show to even enjoy riffing it. Maybe if the animation was wonky, but there are much better "bad" shows and movies to enjoy making fun of.
This hate on Velma is so idiotic but it's fun to laugh at the people that got angry at it. Yall wasted more time whining about it than the amount of time spent watching and talking about Inside Job. So it's funny and sad.
Pretty sure the Ba Sing Se thing was a (really convincing) meme
21:18 Back in 2016, I first discovered your channel through your discussion of the PPG reboot. So seeing that panda gave me some flashbacks to you saying “We could’ve stopped this, we could’ve stopped this…”
I just don’t get how people have the time to spare for hate watching. Like, I don’t get much time to watch shows, so when I do, you bet it’s something I’m gonna make sure my time’s well spent on.
God, this too. How entitled can a person be to waste free time on something they hate.
People who do it for RUclips content I guess makes sense, it's their job. But people who do it for not their job...the only people I have known to do this are trust fund kids.
That a good question. I feel that with college and two jobs. How do you have the time in this day and age?
Neither do I, I maybe have 4 hours total throughout the week to actually sit down and watch a movie. But As someone going into writing, I need to watch the things I hate, because it's easier to see what doesn't work in a film. It's sort of a necessary evil for some of us.
The only one reason that makes sense is that you liked the show back when it started, but then it got bad and you keep watching to see if it gets back to being better.
i really love how we all unanimously agreed to never refer to twitter by its new name
This makes me think of Pixels. I never got a real explanation to why people hated it, just that it was. I eventually noticed I could watch it on Netflix one day, turned it on looking for a 'why'. Opening credits roll, Adam Sandler; "Oh, that's why." sat back and thoroughly enjoyed it, knowing precisely what I was getting into.
Great video! I've found as I've gotten older that life's too short/there's too much good content that I'd rather be watching instead to "hate watch" a TV Show/Movie/Cartoon. I've tapped out on shows - notably Arrow, Flash, and Riverdale rather than endure it just to see how much further it went down and instead found myself gravitating towards horror movies or new anime that was more enjoyable and fun to engage in. I've also gotten less into watching negative RUclipsr culture/Twitter culture because it gets tiring and exhausting after a while to just focus on and accentuate the negatives without balancing it with what the content creator did actually like. The CinemaWins channel, to me, was truly a breath of fresh air. Reviewers like Roger Ebert always seemed to acknowledge that whilst a movie may not have been for him, he recognized their audience or at least tried to come away with something worthwhile from it.
The short answer is because we live in a day and age where people online more often than not would rather embrace hatred and/or cynicism towards media rather than try to be more positive and nuanced!
Isn't ignoring all the bad stuff the opposite of nuance?
@@tevenpowell8023 Yeah I probably could've worded that last part better, I was just mainly making a point about how people tend to obsess over whats wrong with a piece of media (even on stuff that's inconsequential) rather than acknowledging what's good about it.
Sure, some do have way more flaws than others, after all, denying that would be outright foolish, but still.
Right. This especially goes to TV shows that are genuinely worth watching as they're unfortunately not even safe without some level of toxic and harsh criticism, thus making the entire animation medium look bad in some way. Maybe it's just me but I think this may be the cumulation of a ton of bad media-related factors coming together from the past like 5 years.
Or, God forbid, make something themselves.
Honestly, I am probably biased, but hate watchers seem to be non-creative themselves.
Doesn't help we've also been in a downturn in media quality the last 10-15 years from what we've grown over the previous 50ish. Narrative and experimentation have taken a backseat to middling virtue signaling on par with aggressively average religious themed works. And it's only getting worse with the death of the mid budget film.
I really don’t like hate watching. It’s not fun to be made to feel like you’re a bad person every day because of something you genuinely love. It’s why I left Twitter. My mental health was much better once I ignored the rage and just focused on everything I enjoy about what I love and trust my own judgement on things.
Though I do love watching entertaining reviews on movies I’m not that interested in. Ie, Saberspark and Nostalgia Critic. :)
That's my route too. But unfortunately, hate watching has gotten so bad, that it's affecting movies and shows that aren't even out yet. And trying to get up to date information about any show or movie has to be sifted through bad faith criticism. It's annoying and frustrating and I wish people would just stop hating things all the time on the internet. But alas, it's an impossible wish.
The notion there's a social element in hate-watching is something that I know first-hand on; my sibs and I exclusively wait to watch notorious movies and shows until we're all present and watch it together, having a blast at yelling, creating possible inside jokes, genuinely having a good time. The worst is when you're thinking you're going into a GOOD movie and end up hate-watching it.
Just a few days ago some one did a video on "Why hate watching was bad" I forget the exact wording and can't find the video in my History because my History saves EVERYTHING I Mouse Over.
but point is, Hate goes back to the early days of the internet. YOU are part of that. People subjecting them selves to suffer for our amusement so we can relate to there suffering or so we can mindlessly echo there opinions.
RUclips was built on that. People went to it for the uncensored nature and stayed for the ongoing plot threads. It was a real wild west of uncensored content , and it grew imitators.
Over time however , for any number of reasons, RUclipsrs moved away from fake yelling at things and in to more honest opinions. And while there is some echoing going on its more genuine.
and while we should move away from anger, we still have it and provoking people and ranting about stuff is still what gains comments.
People have a need to tell you that you are wrong. Or to rant with you and agree. Good or Bad, it starts a conversation.
This can destroy otherwise good media when RUclipsrs tell the audience what opinion the audience should have and studios should some times do better. But some times We just want to share the experience. See the train wreck, riff,, be on the same page about some thing or watch some thing no one has ever heard of before.
Also people might watch a bad show just to see if they agree with the critics. a Lot of times Bad shows are actually good and good shows are actually bad.
Some things I watch just to have an accurate opinion on it. Lots of people bring up topics that never happened.
Hate-watching can bring a lot of people together in the same way that a local movie night can. I had my own experience with it when Velma came out on Max last year. Every Saturday/Sunday or whenever new episodes dropped, I would invite a bunch of my college friends to come over to my dorm room so we could hate-watch it together. I'd go on a "free" streaming website where somebody would upload the episodes and I'd have them all playing on my old family TV that I now use as my PC monitor. It was almost like we were watching it on cable. There were only 5 or 6 of us and the room was pretty cramped, but we all had a good time collectively cringing and bashing on the show. Those friends and I are all in college for animation right now, so the experience of hating on a show for fun provided some insight into what determines the success or failure of current-day animated shows. I haven't watched this video all the way through yet, but I just wanted to share my reason for why hate-watching can be a fun activity.
Chip Chilla absolutely only exists because Bluey is the sole reason a lot of Daily Wire fans likely cited as the reason they were keeping Disney+ around. They needed “Bluey at home…school.”
Guys, if y’all really want to hatewatch the Disney sequels and live action remakes, please just pirate them. Watching them legally, whether it be in theaters or streaming, will just encourage the company to make more of them. If you want them to end, stop giving them attention istg
I don't hate watch. I watch channels like this to explain things for me, so I don't have to experience the frustration, but I also appreciated seeing the positive videos because I want to understand the other side of things. Honestly, that's been more of a mystery that I prefer to watch personally because too many channels focus on negatives, even when they are constructive, and I've found it more refreshing and fun to understand the positives. Regardless, I just like learning more either way, so thanks for taking the hit and dishing out education Saber!
I hate watch for a few reasons:
1. There are so many shows and movies out there that can be so bad that they become good. Meaning they are fun to laugh at for ironic enjoyment
2. Without viewing what is bad, I have a hard time appreciating what is good
3. There is something very satisfying about being apart of the conversation. Even if it is about something that you hate, I feel like a lot of us love being able to have our opinion be heard about a topic. A lot of people also have this completionist mentality where they will hate watch just so they can add something to “the list” of completed shows
4. It’s a good learning opportunity in a lot of ways. As a Pakistani American, it was cool to see Saber go out of his way to learn and talk about the film Donkey King even though it is very bad. Pakistan doesn’t have a great track record for animation, but that doesn’t mean we should dismiss it entirely
This hit pretty much hit every reason I hate watching some things too.
But and additional reason for me, personally: sometimes I just wanna be angry. I don't see anything wrong with that.
When I wanna laugh I watch comedy movies
When I wanna be sad I watch tragic movies.
When I wanna be scared I watch horror movies.
When I wanna be mad I watch awful movies.
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3!!! 3!!! louder for the people in the back cuz thats SO TRUE
Donkey Kong is national treasure in my country 🇵🇰 We must start from somewhere
As somewhat of a creator, hate watching helps me identify mistakes so I won't make them. It's also fun to watch "so bad it's good" or "actually decent" stuff.
I usually grab people to hate watch with me tho I can't be alone we all have to suffer
I mean, if you do that, it’s just homework. And that’s not always good inspiration.
Frankly, I wanna be inspired by what revs my engine and takes me on a ride of emotions.
@@matt0044 sometimes hate watching is kinda fun, and a good way to turn your brain off as a break of some sort, just don't get addicted to it and forget what's good
@@meriewanderer Sadly... hate and anger are like alcohol. It's easy to just be like, "I just won't get addicted to it." But addiction doesn't always make itself known until you're in way too deep.
@@matt0044 ok
Hate-watching still drives financial success. In the attention economy, indifference is murder, so if you truly hate a piece of media, ignore it.
I have an idea to combat negativity being more rewarded through the internet. Much like Schaffrillas' ranking videos, what if people made videos about a trendy negative topic coupled with something positive in there? Like lets say a bad animated series getting showcased in the video, then showing something good that doesn't get as much attention. Probably thinking to simply though since I haven't really dealt with the algorithm on YT at all, so who knows.
I would rather guilt watching shows and movies then hate watching shows and movies. Because I want to watch movies and shows that I like, despite what everyone else says about particular shows and movies.
I've never done that. I actually have this position that what we don't like doesn't deserve our attention in any shape or form.
Watched too many bad things not expecting them to be bad. So if I know it will be bad, I'll not even waste my time with it.
I hate watched the modern american dad, spotted a _possible_ welcome home parody episode, then other episodes that werent even close to the old stuff, and vented it into a few community posts
Now i tend to just ignore them, acting disgusted or just not paying any attention if i somehow got distracted into watching an episode (i will always avoid the american dad episode about gernot and strudel, thats my personal hell)
I don’t like to give bad shows my watch time or views, which is why I like watching channels like yours to get the tea and satisfy my curiosity. It’s like a way to keep up with pop culture moments without having to subject myself to watching the media (thank you for your sacrifice). I do the same with a lot of reality tv. A 45 min season review with juicy highlights is enough for me to get that hate watching sense of community. I feel like when I see a video with a positive title, I’m less likely to watch the review and more likely to just go watch the show. I really like your indie spotlights for spoiler free short recommendations! Found some gems to watch that way!
I prefer to watch like one or two review videos about shows I don't care about, just to see what the hype is about. But after that, I don't care about it anymore and just want to do something else. Unfortunately, with how RUclips works, it seems to think I'm really into hate watching and the community surrounding it, and always recommends videos about it and I no longer get videos I actually want to watch.
I still can’t get over the whole 420 joke from Velma which is still bad to this day 🤦🏾♂️
I cant hate watch. It gets me too frustrated.
I do, however, love watching people dunk on shows I know I would hate.
I haven't watched a minute of Velma, but with all the video essays/reviews I've watched, I basically know every episode's plot.
Same
00:27 I saw that 50K clip of Charlie Morningstar locking the door Saberspark 🤣
"Well hellooo"
"No"
I used to hate-watch and go down negative spirals, but now I'm just satisfied sitting on the sidelines and hearing the voices to people I trust like Saber - much more peaceful living spending my limited time on things I actually care about instead of giving some media exec their little dopamine rush of a number in a spreadsheet
28:54 that's how i feel every day seeing humanity do it's thing
Funny enough South Park the movie has more swearing in a shorter time than the entirety of helluva boss and people find the movie more funny
No seriously.
Honestly I thought the criticism would come from Blitz and Stolas romance plot than the profanity.
The thing is though is that when it does happen it is tied to the plot. Like the swearing in the Movie was because of the Canadian movies making kids vulgar and the episode that had a count basically did it as a commentary about how meaningless the swearing becomes when overused.
HB though on the other hand does it in a way that feels childish when they feel the need to empathize the swearing as if that is the punchline. In South Park though for the most part swearing is not that noticeable, but when it is there is a purpose behind it. When HB and HH do it they make it noticeable and pointless.
I don’t really see the point of constantly complaining about swearing 😅
@@AzraelSoulHunterI also don’t understand the need to call ‘childish’ which is a weird term to use here😅
I used to. But I learned that the only person I was hurting with hate watching was myself and my loved ones. Cause they'd have to suffer through my rants.
Now, instead of ranting, I just don't watch. I don't attack others for enjoying it, but I don't watch. Too much good content out there to let a littlw bad ruin your day.
Yeah it’s pathetic of love hate watching something. If you don’t like a thing just go away
And also it would fund the creators, producers, and executives to make more shows you hate and lining their pockets
Also you’re paying for your own pain. The subscription aren’t cheap. Might as well use that money for the gym or zoo or just something that is actually beneficial.
For me I feel like it's a fear of missing out or being wrong, sometimes you even hope that you are wrong.
When I know that I'm not going to like a series I enjoy watching reviews and analysis of the series.
More often then not, I honestly HATE IT when I'm right!!!
I don't hate watch and frankly I get sick of the social media of people complaining about bad media after about a week.
Granted I don't have anyone to watch _with_ so that probably helps in my case. Bad media is always easier to digest when you're shooting the shift with friends.
I never understood the impulse to hate watch. My favorite books ever are The Wheel of Time and I watched season 1 and realized I hate the show they've made. So I won't watch season 1 ever again or watch seasons 2 and whatever else they make. I didn't watch Velma. Not gonna watch The Last Airbender on Netflix. Just weird to purposefully watch something that drives you mad.
4:23 ok but why is sonic boom here that was genuinely funny
Definitely a guilty pleasure at its worst, and comedy gold at its best.
I don't know if it counts as hate-watching, I guess not. But I usually just let other people watch it and give me a summary, and maybe watch a few clips if I'm that curious. I'm already pretty hotheaded, and it's exhausting. I'm not going out of my way to purposely seek out media that makes me angry lmao
When I heard that Scoob wasn't in Velma, I decided I would never watch it. I heard about all the stuff on social media only after I made my decision
0:29 Hazbin jumpscare Verbalase would love that
As someone who never hate-watched any shows, maybe it's just me but I think the reason why as to people love hate-watching as of this point is because of the cumulation of a ton of media-related issues coming together. In this day and age with the current state of entertainment media, people vent their anger so much on negativity and bad media content, actual good TV shows and such are often overwritten with negativity as well without actually giving it a chance, thus there's not enough more optimistic people defending and watching them.
Your Rise of the TMNT video inspired me to expose the show to my five year old and she is now OBSESSED with the ninja turtles. Rise got to be her gateway series to the franchise because of YOU! And as someone who watched it a long with her multiple times, I agree it's amazing!
Personally I only really hate watch something to be able to form my own opinions on why something is bad but for multiple other reasons too. Like, being to give coherent and concrete examples when someone asks my why I hate a particular show or movie without just repeating what I heard others say about it. As well as being able to recognize bad takes or people drawing wrong conclusions of a scene. I want to able to listen to someone say it's bad and then knowing enough of the show to either agree or disagree with them. Just taking someone's word for it, using scenes or conversation pulled out of context leaves you open to being lied to.
Remember back the old days of those studios when producers make a show wether it's animated or live, All it matters was just the ratings and marketings? These old days made so much sense for obvious reasons why some shows continues to have more seasons until the producers and writters are ready to call out the final seasons or they cancel when they know the ratings marketings are low or if the show is not good enough.
Now, It doesn't matter anymore, Wether people have low or high ratings or just a form to show the series publically, They'll just continue regardless until they decide to end it.
hate-watching is not bad as long as you pirate the things that you watch.
Some companies are using the number of pirated copies that their movie/show has as indicators as to what they should make, meaning that pirating bad movies/shows still incentivies the creation of making bad movies/shows.
@@aaronmccullers384
really?
where is your source?
where do they even get these data?
I don't see kisscartoon having a views counter on the shows that I am watching.
@@aaronmccullers384
really?
where is your source?
how do they get the data on what got pirated and what didn't?
I don't see a "views" counter in the kisscartoon website.
Oh my god, someone who gets it… this is why Velma is getting a second season despite the fact that literally everyone despises it. Remember to pirate it if you want to hatewatch and make fun of it, especially when the second season comes out!
@@aaronmccullers384 where is your source?
It's literally that one comic of the guy saying, "I don't want a solution, I want to be angry!"
This was a something that has been common more and more mowadays due to the internet evolving! Shows like The Witcher or She-Hulk have experienced hate watching from fans! It's so crazy! Thanks, Saberspark! Not many people are talking about this type if stuff, man! We need to talk about it more often in the future! Keep it up, bro! This topic is so interesting, too! It's really digging into it more someday to get a better understanding of it and why we do it so much these days!
Probably for people to find an excuse to be angry for some reason.
And that's good, a healthy mind needs something to safely canalize it's contained rage.
See, this is what bugs me. There are so many issues in the world to hate and take action on, and all these people are pouring their energy into hating television shows and movies.
I never saw the point to hate watching, if it's something I know I won't enjoy, I'm not wasting the time to feel bad. I do, however, enjoy watching b- and c-movies (and sometimes down to z-movies), because they're usually entertaining in their badness. Something like "Velma" though just isn't even worth watching to make fun of, because there's nothing fun about something so mean-spirited.
Watched the ATLA LA and honestly it's not that bad (except the last two episodes). I didn't go in to hate watch, i met it where it's at and found it a nice experience with my family.
When I was a younger man, I craved negative reactions to things. Both in my life and in content. In my 30's that's shifted 180 degrees. I delight now in the joy of others, especially if it's something that I also enjoy. Shared joy is infinitely better than shared misery.
Wait, sonic boom is a hate watching thing? I thought it was genuinely funny!
I think it had to do with the WiiU game. It was very bad.
@@galacticdevil you can't hate watch a video game
You have to ask your self… what’s more popular watching someone be passionate on their love for something or… someone passionate destroying something and ripping it apart for every little flaw… bad things that we can make fun of draw us in because we feel that the quality of what we are watching is almost in comparison to what we could actually make or that we could make something better… plus negativity sells
You know, this really makes me think that hate watching is like sports watching. People will yell at their team, the opposing team, the refs (especially) as if they could ever perform at that level. It's delusional.
@@lyndsaybrown8471 no that’s so true fr
I've seen a lot of people excited for the Avatar show though. Also supposedly Velma wasn't allowed to use Scooby which makes sense to me, it being an adult show alone was probably enough for WB to not want to risk tarnishing the character even if the show was well written.
Sometimes I like to trick people into hate watching Problem Solverz, because very often fans of that show start(ed) off hating it, but end(ed) up liking it more overtime after getting used to the vibe. It only proves myself more as the true fandom 'pied-piper' (opposite of gatekeeper) for the show
George RR Martin will never finish the GOT book series at this point. He'll definitely die first if he continues at the pace he goes, making sloths and snails look speedy.
I personally don't understand hate watching stuff or at least the third example of it talked about in the video. Like no one's forcing you to watch this stuff, why would you deliberately take time out of your day to watch something you know you're not going to like and then spread all over social media that you hate it when no one 's forcing you to watch it to begin with. I had a friend who notoriously hates the FNAF franchise and so went out of their way to watch the FNAF movie just to tear it apart. Personally, stuff like that just ticks me off.
If you hate something fine, you're entitled to do that. But seeking it out on purpose and constantly complain about it, that to me is more infuriating than any "bad" writing or tropes in media.
And before anyone says "I don't like people sharing criticism." My philosophy is, if you're going to criticize something, have some merit to it and make sure good comes out of it.
I really hate it when RUclips kept fucking pushing all these negative Velma review videos on me back when it was popular. I really didn't care for the show, but it was all people were fucking talking about online. It even crossover to my real-life friend group and I had to ask them to stop talking about Velma.
Now adays I can't watch a single trailer on RUclips for a movie I'm looking forward to without RUclips trying to shove negative videos down my throat about it. I just want to enjoy something. It sometimes feels like it's too much to ask.
Honestly I don't enjoy hate watching things even in the slightest, and it's one of the reasons I watch this channel so rarely now, it is the bulk of what youtube recommends on the sidebar from here.
I still like saberspark and the odd video though, enough I feel like sharing my thought here, at least.
I reached past hate watching thing when the last 2 seasons of Voltron Lefendary Defender dropped the ball and immediately went into some form of "no longer caring" enlightenment. That or the adhd dopamine shift just happened to hit at the same time. I just dont have attention span to spare for a hate watch.
I once hate watched a show and ended up liking it.
Which ?
I feel totally out of the loop. People are upset that Helluva Boss because of the swearing? kinda funny
Yeah it's a non issue
Only the kinds of sensitive adult children who foam at the mouth when they hear words like "moist."
@rp7921Helluva Boss doesn't even come close to the level of vulgarity anime does.
Sometimes, watching something that is absolutely hateable and losing your mind over its atrocity can be a good thing. It can be a good way to analyze blatantly bad decisions in a certain piece of media such as a movie or a series, sometimes you want to just have fun with something really bad and watch it for ironic enjoynment, and probably a lot of other reasons too.
I’m one of those people who were not really a fan of hate watching, however if a new show Whether if it’s a sequel or a reboot that was officially produced and teased on media it’s hard to be upset and hate on something after you first grew up watching the classic OG series or movies. But if it’s god awful after you hate watching it when you realize they changed a bunch of stuff than what you remember, you’re not afraid to give out your honest opinions to how you feel about it so that the creators/ producers of the studio can fix the problem by listening to the fans instead of just ghosting them with lack of criticism.
Watched two episodes of Velma and that was enough. Hate watching hurts everyone around you.
that last part sounds like a PSA
@@Game_Hero Especially since it sounds similar to the recently found original 30-second cut of a PSA created by the Jewish Chautauqua Society in 1974 that apparently scared a lot of kids when it had aired called “Hate Hurts You”.
I see the points here honestly. I hear about these kinds of decisions but never end up watching if I know im gonna just be pissed by the end. Something like Hazbin was fun to watch despite having issues with pacing and certain characters. Again i agree with in this age of attention grabbing shows, negativity is how they get their views. Great work man
i respect how saber puts his whole sabussy into hatewatching for content
I think the last point is the most important. hate watching doesn't only get us to talk critically of film, it gets us to do it in a communal setting. We bounce ideas off of each other in the comments. All of us together are working to pin point the underline elements that's holding the art form of film back. I think anything that actually gets us to think deeply about film and holds studios accountable to the quality that we expect is an ultimate good as far as I'm concerned.
People already hating on X-MEN now also. Everything Spiderman too. And everything Disney
@@InevitableOption-ic2vxif disneys thing is taking over good animated shows and running them into the ground, then im jumping on
Just look what they did to american dad, the new seasons i find to be repulsive
Alan Moore once told to future storytellers: "Read terrible books"
This way, once you read a terrible story, you can think "I can do better than this shit!" and work on something better.
Lost it with Riddler's reaction.
I could've sworn people were excited for this at first
You know what’s funny?
I’ve literally never done this. I’ll stop watching a show if it gets bad, or completely steer away from a show with unanimously bad reviews(like Velma).
Obviously, there’s taste and opinions to account for. That’s why I watched Evangelion the whole way through even though it wasn’t my total cup of tea to begin with. It’s a very devisive series in the anime community; you either love it or hate it, and that made me curious. The original Evangelion is also one of those anime that you can’t have an intelligent conversation about unless you’ve finished it, so I had to watch the end to finally say I don’t care for the series.
My point is, I dont ‘Hate Watch.’ It would be a waste of my personal time.
13:50 I don't think I'd consider MST3K's premise to be hate-watching; Joel, Mike, and the bots are unwilling participants and make the best of the situation. Riffing bad b-movies isn't quite the same as getting yourself angered up to watch Velma or the last season of GoT, especially when the MST3K crew selected movies they tried to find at least one positive or palatable thing.
i dont think watching GOTs last 2 seasons is hatewatching eve, its curiosity how its end, too much envestment to not.
9:15 I would say The Simpsons is a another one that gets thrown under the bus. Heck even I have noticed in the newer seasons they're reusing old episodes.
I enjoyed the live-action.
Fortunately, the show is getting the Sweet Tooth treatment and is getting two more seasons. :)
Saw this in my feed with *One View*, never been this early to such a big channel lol
Same 😂
yes, I get it
It's 228 views now
i got 382
The irony of something like Big Mouth is probably barely hate watched, but it gets more attention than the canceled shows that people cry about.
Its also funnier that hated shows get more attention than the shows that people are a "fan" of. But its also weird that people get a a lil too excited over a RUclipsr telling them a media is bad, even though they already know its bad from the beginning.
I just wanna praise the motion graphics in this video. There's some really nice animations here that could've easily been simple pop-ins and pop-outs.