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Комментарии • 373

  • @justinkase1360
    @justinkase1360 11 месяцев назад +234

    AR guys: AK optics sit way too high! A chin weld, are you serious?!
    also AR guys: Gimme dat 3" riser.

    • @Clockwork0nions
      @Clockwork0nions 11 месяцев назад +14

      AK stocks are also typically lower than AR’s (with the exceptions of newer ones) so you actually want to use a lower mount on them lol

    • @justinkase1360
      @justinkase1360 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@Clockwork0nions Indeed

    • @e0001030
      @e0001030 11 месяцев назад +2

      To be fair, AK stock is lower so they won't feel the same

    • @alexanderp8037
      @alexanderp8037 11 месяцев назад +3

      Doing long operations with hunched back behind your AR sucks it sucks even more with heavy guns. Firing an AK is much more comfortable especially with the old doctrine where you constantly aim your weapon. With AR would defo do a high rise optic maybe a forward mounted optic as well. The most comfortable gun to shoot is a famas with red dot hands down. Personally like guns with a good solid high cheek weld and high optics. Alot of people forget how comfortable classic stocks are (M14 EBR, SKS, Steyr scot, K98)

    • @kentuckybowl-o-sticks
      @kentuckybowl-o-sticks 10 месяцев назад

      BINGO.
      The lack of space to grab the AR charging handle under a conventional scope mounted without substantial risers needed to be dealt with RIGHT AWAY, as far as I was concerned...

  • @BuyRawrXD
    @BuyRawrXD 11 месяцев назад +239

    Optic higher than me believing my recruiter telling me I’d be a mar/soc baddie with a Gucci kit and prime sleeping conditions

    • @williamgironda4456
      @williamgironda4456 11 месяцев назад +1

      😂😂

    • @whomagoose6897
      @whomagoose6897 11 месяцев назад +3

      Welcome to the club. The group that realizes every recruiter will tell you everything you want to hear to get you to sign up. They have quota's of inductees. Whatever it takes to get you to sign on that dotted line.

    • @BuyRawrXD
      @BuyRawrXD 11 месяцев назад +10

      @@whomagoose6897 wow almost like you just broke down the whole joke woah

    • @alexmaurice4274
      @alexmaurice4274 11 месяцев назад

      Isn’t it illegal to like that or no?

    • @MDGOrbit
      @MDGOrbit 11 месяцев назад

      I'm confused man

  • @CarguyRS
    @CarguyRS 11 месяцев назад +69

    I'd imagine face shape and structure also plays a decent role in what people find comfortable, and ties into the "it depends" answer. Different strokes for different folks, but just gotta send it at the end of the day. Good video and discussion overall 👍

    • @warrenharrison9490
      @warrenharrison9490 11 месяцев назад +6

      Some individuals have a neck, some have no neck. Being able to adjust is a bonus.

    • @TheJohnBrowningGunClub
      @TheJohnBrowningGunClub 11 месяцев назад

      asain people are known for having huge flat faces

    • @smokingbeetles5793
      @smokingbeetles5793 10 месяцев назад

      Mr Potato head got problems

    • @gleamtarrest6310
      @gleamtarrest6310 6 месяцев назад

      Gee Wizz😮 next, I missed because of my face shape or maybe structure or probably cause I didn't cross my toes.

    • @ghijkl
      @ghijkl 4 месяца назад

      I wish we could still admit different races look different. Oakley used to have “asian fit” sunglasses which I bought because stupid white ppl sunglasses fall off my damn nose. True story

  • @1GruntZPOV
    @1GruntZPOV 11 месяцев назад +26

    I’ve run everything from 1.54 to 2.26, it doesn’t matter. Get whatever you like and is comfortable for you. Go train and learn your holdovers. I think for me personally I just raise the rifle slightly in my shoulder and achieve whatever shooting stance I need to be “comfortable”

  • @josephgeiger3285
    @josephgeiger3285 11 месяцев назад +40

    Great video! I’m newer to shooting AR’s but was in an accident and lost my right eye. The Unity and especially the GBRS Lerna with the 2.93 height made shooting from the right still possible by canting at a 45. Shooting left just sucks 😂.

    • @rilesmattix5217
      @rilesmattix5217 11 месяцев назад

      I do that but because I'm cross eye dominant. I have a prism with a piggy backed red dot which I use to aim like that

    • @imnnme
      @imnnme 10 месяцев назад +3

      Eye patches give you +150 intimidation points though. 👌🏼

  • @sameullam
    @sameullam 11 месяцев назад +8

    I think the point about use case and perspective is kinda spot on and important.
    If you're not to worried about height over bore and wanna try a new setup then id say no harm in trying it out (if you can afford it)
    But if you're runnning competions and stuff, I do not recommend this, since I've seen great shooters lose spots mainly because there's too many holds to worry in a match so they miss or take significantly longer to make their shots.
    Have fun, be safe. give a friend a hug.

  • @aerowrench6787
    @aerowrench6787 11 месяцев назад +19

    I run a T2 on top of a TA02 ACOG and its right at 3.125". I'm 6'6" and have a pretty tall neck so it actually works well for me. HOB is no issue at CQB distances. Just hold a wallet length high like you demonstrated. And i run it hard doing drills like the xray alpha CQB assesment drill. And the ACOG is at a great height for shooing prone/off barriers for longer shots. If possible you should give it a try sometime. Or try mine. I'm in the PNW lol

    • @ericdoubleu5390
      @ericdoubleu5390 11 месяцев назад +2

      Acog red got gang. I like it too. Also pnw ❤ I have a 509t on top works good for nv too

  • @d3adlyz3bra
    @d3adlyz3bra 11 месяцев назад +27

    ive always been told cqb for HOB you just make them wear the reticle as a hat

  • @jimmyl7
    @jimmyl7 11 месяцев назад +15

    HOT TAKE: the optic height depends on the stocks cheek feel first. And also there are diminishing returns on the higher the mount.

  • @wolf1562
    @wolf1562 11 месяцев назад +1

    This was really good and one of the best I've seen show shooting the different mount heights and their height over bore

  • @mborski8721
    @mborski8721 2 месяца назад

    I have no service nor law enforcement experience so I find your videos very insightful. Thank you for your service and thank you for sharing your non bias and very easy to understand videos. God bless.

  • @ds5503
    @ds5503 10 месяцев назад +2

    I recently made the switch to 2.26". So much better for me. I'm a Sasquatch, so the height works better for my freakishly long neck. Plus, arthritis and herniated disc. Height is many much more comfortable meow. Liked. Subscribed.

  • @anthonyandrade001
    @anthonyandrade001 11 месяцев назад +12

    Training is what matters. Any time my guns go up, my eyes are already on sight. I went from cowitness to 2.26 and love it, I have standard sights with a FSB/rear sight and magpul pros front and rear

  • @Echo_6-9
    @Echo_6-9 11 месяцев назад +12

    I find that after using Unity 2.26’s to trying the GBRS 2.91, I like a 0.5-0.75 inch cheek riser for consistency and comfort. I like high mounts to help with neck strain pain more than anything.

  • @iahenley
    @iahenley 5 месяцев назад

    I am glad to see the variety in offerings coning out for carbines... I come from a competitive shotgun background, it is common to spend large amounts of time and money to get the right fit on a shotgun. Obviously with your eye serving as the "rear sight" repeatable and fast positioning of face and shoulder into stock is critical. 15 years ago there were minimal options to make a carbine "fit". Keep in mind not every setup will work well for every person, do tests and practice! Great video!

  • @gryphon3241
    @gryphon3241 11 месяцев назад +3

    I "grew up" with absolute cowitness and lower 1/3rd, and as a dirty civilian shooter never really saw the need to go taller as i don't have to worry about nods or whatnot. Until i tried a 1.93, I'm a taller dude with a relatively long neck proportionally to my body so the taller mounts just make it so much easier to reliably acquire the dot because i don't have to scrunch up as hard

  • @dmoo19
    @dmoo19 11 месяцев назад +20

    Something that isn't talked about enough is how different zeros work better at different sight heights. With a lower sight, I prefer a 50/200, but I like to do a 100 yard zero on the higher mounts.

    • @seanoneil277
      @seanoneil277 11 месяцев назад +2

      Is that for the offset question (holdovers), or the trajectory issue? I'm guessing holdovers.

    • @JayJay-qi9pk
      @JayJay-qi9pk 11 месяцев назад +3

      Best red dot zero is 36 yards tho

    • @dmoo19
      @dmoo19 11 месяцев назад

      @@seanoneil277 Yeah, typically my higher sights are on my shorter, "CQB" types. This way, I know my point of impact will be at or below my dot only(approximately). The higher optic starts with a 4" deviation from the dot at 0 already. For a more general purpose build, i will use a lower height sight and use the 50/200 because it's only a 4"ish spread from 0-250ish.

    • @seanoneil277
      @seanoneil277 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@dmoo19 Yeah to me it's that 4" tube factor that argues for the 50 or even 36. But if you can neglect the close in stuff the 100 is easier out past 250/300. I wrestle with this question for my secondary red dot on rifles, holdover issue, or trajectory tube.

    • @bigz5262
      @bigz5262 10 месяцев назад

      @@JayJay-qi9pk it depends on your setup. If you zero a taller mount at 36 then at 100 you’ll be at least 6” high at 100, depending on your barrel length and ammo selection

  • @Chonkasaurus
    @Chonkasaurus 11 месяцев назад +11

    If my optics not high enough for my buddy to aim from sitting on my shoulders its trash

  • @mavrikmavrik3032
    @mavrikmavrik3032 11 месяцев назад +9

    I prefer the 193 or a bit lower. Given that, I hate flip-to-side magnifiers. Because of this, and only because of this, I’m running a 226 unity on my main rifle. It’s higher than I prefer but it allows for a flip-to-center magnifier.

    • @liamflanagan490
      @liamflanagan490 11 месяцев назад +1

      Get a cheek riser for your stock so you maintain that same optic height to stock height ratio with the flip to center magnifier.

    • @mavrikmavrik3032
      @mavrikmavrik3032 11 месяцев назад

      @@liamflanagan490 I shoot it fine and am comfortable finding a good solid position behind the optic. However it makes the rifle have a pretty big vertical foot print above the pic rail and it has a heck of a hold over that is not only greater than all of my guns but it persists at a greater distance than a lower mount. I also am not fond of the impact on bullet impacts at ranges (there is a good video out there but I forget who put it out). Like I said, I shoot it fine but if someone comes out with a flip-to-center that is lower I’ll probably adopt it.

    • @J.Young808
      @J.Young808 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@mavrikmavrik3032yes it seems a 1.93” flip to center compatible magnifier mount would be ideal. Wonder if the EOTech G33 is small enough in diameter to work.

    • @Quazo594
      @Quazo594 11 месяцев назад

      @@J.Young808that’s a really good question. Would love to hear from someone that tries it.

    • @IkfNorCalChamp
      @IkfNorCalChamp 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@J.Young808I would love if they could do that. But with the 2.26 unity the magnifiers sit incredibly close to red dot window. I think with a 1.93 most magnifiers would partially cover the optic window. But I would like to see them make one cause I prefer 1.93 too.

  • @andrewvalenta7320
    @andrewvalenta7320 11 месяцев назад +17

    I absolutely look forward to MOJO videos more than anyone else on RUclips. Stay up Mojo

  • @TheJbower76
    @TheJbower76 11 месяцев назад +2

    I like using standard cowitnessed mounts attached to a KDG sidelock. Gives roughly around a 2.26 height and gives you ability to remove one optic for another that is equipped with another sidelock riser. They are guaranteed to return to zero and they do!! I can have multiple optics zeroed for different ammo on the same rifle. So far I like it.

  • @bikeracerdude
    @bikeracerdude 4 месяца назад

    We'd love to see another video with good lighting and a short, organized summary of Pros & Cons of Mount Heights.

  • @joseesparza4133
    @joseesparza4133 11 месяцев назад +1

    Loved this one Mojo. Perfect timing also. Thank you!

  • @Crangaso
    @Crangaso 11 месяцев назад +1

    "Heads-Up" shooting is the new way to go & the best way with NGV - from my understanding.
    I don't have NVG (cue the sad horn music) and have no use nor need for the new way of shooting.
    I'm sticking with what I know and am experienced/comfortable with.
    That can all change if/when I acquire NVG & train in heads up shooting or I get a thermal optic for my rifle, going with a NVG monocular for movement.

  • @TsunTzu
    @TsunTzu 2 месяца назад

    Appeciate the video!
    Navigating things like this to find what works best for you, as an individual, is important.

  • @Ksweezy96
    @Ksweezy96 11 месяцев назад +6

    I just got my Hydra for my 13.7 and the Ridge wallet reference was golden. Im out of the country atm so i havent shot it yet but damn is that helpful

  • @Xinthisis
    @Xinthisis 11 месяцев назад +15

    Something that works really well for me is having a 1.54 mounted LPVO with a top mouted micro dot like the 509T or ACRO. The top dot ends up being at that height you love and the magnified optic is at that perfect height to really settle into the gun. A .25 cheek riser makes chin weld for the top dot perfect while also improving stability with the lpvo.

    • @TCraig00
      @TCraig00 11 месяцев назад

      I'm looking at a similar build for my next AR. 14.5, 2-10 LPVO at around a 1.54 and 12 o clock mount for a holosun.
      I also run a .5 riser on my PWS MK111

    • @seanoneil277
      @seanoneil277 11 месяцев назад

      I tried that high mount RDS with a PEPR mount and P4Xi, it didn't work for me as well as the 45deg offset does. I can rotate quicker to the dot than I can raise up and find the dot. I spent about equal time with both. I don't work LE or Mil or contract so I don't have the gas mask, NV, etc things to work around, that plays a part in not liking the higher mount I'm sure. Prone is another.

    • @Xinthisis
      @Xinthisis 11 месяцев назад

      @@seanoneil277 thats what the cheek riser helps with.

  • @j.r.hornak460
    @j.r.hornak460 11 месяцев назад +6

    No two people are alike and many forget this. I prefer my optics high enough to where I don't have to stretch or scrunch my neck. After that if I need cheekweld, a cheekpiece can always be added if needed. If people don't like the look, I'm ok with that. They can go admire their wall hangers at home while I train to be the best I can be.

  • @springbloom5940
    @springbloom5940 10 месяцев назад +2

    I have a red dot fully cowitnessed with a A2 sight chopped off a carry handle and A-frame front sight. I cut the large aperture off the off the rear so it will flip down flat and clear view the optic. The optic puts a red dot on the tip of the front sight as an aid for the iron, not as a substitute.
    Everyone has their cool flip up backup sights that they never use and will fail them when they're needed. Im *always* using the iron, with the red dot aid. The result is Im almost as quick with iron as I am with glass and pinpoint accurate. Iron *always* works and is predictable as the sun, even if its misaligned or bent.

    • @jeremyfoss505
      @jeremyfoss505 10 месяцев назад

      I'm an AK guy......But I like that approach dude! Props!

  • @stephanarizona9094
    @stephanarizona9094 11 месяцев назад +17

    I'm a huge fan of high mounts, all my weapons are SBR's or PDW's with lasers, so high mounts make it easy and smooth.

    • @seanoneil277
      @seanoneil277 11 месяцев назад

      I could see getting used to it for close distance, to be always heads-up. But I can't do prone with anything above 1.6 or so. Neck starts complaining very fast, adds quiver to what should be a settled reticle.
      The chin weld works okay for square, oval, round faces. If your face tapers a lot from cheekbone to jaw, the higher it goes the more awkward it feels.

    • @Conan361
      @Conan361 11 месяцев назад +1

      So you’re gay and shoot no further than 25’ got it

    • @mattmurphy7030
      @mattmurphy7030 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@Conan361i shoot SBRs out to 500 no problem. Sounds like you’ve got a skill issue

    • @Conan361
      @Conan361 11 месяцев назад

      @@mattmurphy7030 where did I once type anything about sbrs were talking optic height genius

    • @mattmurphy7030
      @mattmurphy7030 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@Conan361 wtf does optic height have to do with shooting to distance? Do you have any idea how trigonometry works?

  • @onpsxmember
    @onpsxmember 11 месяцев назад +1

    If you want to talk about heights and you know that based on the optics you end up with different heights with the same mount, bring a measuring stick. I'm not looking for a specific number since everyone's face is different but it makes the optic height comparable. If certain heights stink going prone you could test that for your audience.

  • @hdub6527
    @hdub6527 11 месяцев назад +1

    One thing I’ve noticed is it’s popular to roast GBRS height but lots of folks will also claim a piggy back rds over scope is great. RMR height over scope optical center is 1.825 with a badger c1, on a 1.5 mount, that’s 3.3in! Too much for me, I sold my arc adapter.

  • @kenforbus1
    @kenforbus1 11 месяцев назад +3

    If you like it and it works for you go for it. I think it's actually an answer to the mask/NODS thing but other than that it's not an issue for me. Neck strain and so forth is a non-issue. How long of a string of fire are you guys shooting to have neck strain issues?

    • @MatthewNieves-j7l
      @MatthewNieves-j7l 11 месяцев назад

      I think it comes into play when you are spending long hours on the gun especially doing door kicking stuff.... In my civilian life it hasn't been an issue lol

  • @majesticog9281
    @majesticog9281 11 месяцев назад

    Miss your content homie. Happy to see this!

  • @mrtaylorhelm
    @mrtaylorhelm 11 месяцев назад +2

    Imho the problems with high risers isn't the hold over, its the hold under when you get to 100-200yrds for these guys running 36yrd zeros or 25"ish" backyard zeros. The point remains, get out and use the gear.

  • @JDangly
    @JDangly 11 месяцев назад +1

    YMMV. I find that lower 1/3 is the sweet spot for my body type. I feel like I have the best stability using my cheek on the stock with that height. The higher the optic the more wobbly the gun feels. I think it's very subjective though and every shooter is built unique.

  • @rcnewman51.
    @rcnewman51. 11 месяцев назад +2

    Threw my risers out, not against em but was definitely something I wanted to try. It’s great when you get used to it, however having to make critical shots at full throttle leave too much room for error in my eyes. In those instances I like having the reticle as an actual frame of reference to place on a persons face box

  • @luisayala7861
    @luisayala7861 11 месяцев назад +6

    Great video, wish you would have covered the prone position with the mount heights since that is the biggest concern for people running high mounts.

  • @unmalo2768
    @unmalo2768 11 месяцев назад +1

    I run a tin can with a small hole punched on one end of the can, and a bigger hole punched in the other end. I can pretend it's a red dot for now. I then taped the tin can to the top of beer can that is laying on its side. I then taped the beer can to the top of my SKS that is missing the back half of the buttstock (used it to hammer some nails when fixing leaks in the roof). It seems to hold the fake red dot (tin can) at the right height. The splinters in my shoulder from the broken buttstock really suck, but you can't beat the ease of shot gunning your beer (about a 6" mouth relief) after a hot day on the range!!! HOOAH!!!

  • @10r80g
    @10r80g 5 месяцев назад

    Bro this is awesome. I couldn’t see myself spending $100-150 for a damn riser! Thank you!!

  • @Pompomgrenade
    @Pompomgrenade 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the thinking process.. for the first time I've had to conceptualize shooting while wearing a motorcycle helmet, requiring setup specific sights 😄 potentially...

  • @j.r.romero590
    @j.r.romero590 11 месяцев назад +5

    Biggest issues I have with GBRS mount is shooting through holes in barriers and prone making the mount too much of a gimmick

    • @XSV15
      @XSV15 11 месяцев назад +1

      But realistically, apart from the range or competitions, when are we shooting through holes like those barriers outside of a combat zone? The average civilian or law enforcement guy is gonna be engaging out in the open or behind cover that they’re peaking around rather than shooting through per se.
      Not dismissing your statement, I just think it’s just a matter of usage. If you’re into competitions where you’ll be doing barrier and prone work, the GBRS mount is probably not going to work very well for you.

    • @j.r.romero590
      @j.r.romero590 11 месяцев назад +1

      If you are setting up a rifle why would you hamper your ability in life and death situation? To dismiss shooting from certain positions is a poor way to enter a gun fight. @@XSV15

  • @petem2286
    @petem2286 11 месяцев назад +2

    This seems like a lot of work. I’m not knocking it. If I was rich maybe I’d give it a shot. Whatever floats your boat. Mojo is the man.

    • @Sinsofcarolina
      @Sinsofcarolina 7 месяцев назад

      You can buy all these hyped up mounts for $25-$50 online. Perfect replicas

  • @IlovemySubaru
    @IlovemySubaru 11 месяцев назад +1

    Mojo there something different about in this video that I couldn’t figure out, but I just did. It’s the mustache homie. You look 20 bro

  • @KretinD
    @KretinD 11 месяцев назад +2

    I like 1.93-2.06 for just a red dot and lower 1/3 for use with magnifiers. Anything above 2.26 sounds like it would take some getting used to.

  • @whomagoose6897
    @whomagoose6897 11 месяцев назад +1

    You demonstrated optic height of optics for AR-15 systems. There are lots of non AR-15 systems in the intermediate sized rifle grouping. One of which is the Robinson Arms XCR-L rifle. The XCR-L is in the AR class size of rifles. It is well know to use low mounts. In other words, if it works on the H&K MP-5. You can use that particular mount on the XCR-L. Low is the way to go.

    • @MiaogisTeas
      @MiaogisTeas 3 месяца назад +1

      Make your own damn video then, Captain Special.

  • @JG_1998
    @JG_1998 11 месяцев назад +4

    I use a scalarworks 1.93 for my T2. So much faster and more comfortable than a lower 1/3rd.

    • @MidnightRangersPB
      @MidnightRangersPB 11 месяцев назад +1

      I also bought a Scalarworks 1.93 for my patrol rifle due to the comfortable height, but then I realized there’s no cowitness at all with standard irons. You know of any solutions to this besides cheap risers for the irons, or the Scalarworks folding irons?

    • @JG_1998
      @JG_1998 11 месяцев назад +1

      there really aren't any, only thing is that aimpoints are so damn reliable it's highly unlikely you will need irons. and the scalarworks QD mount makes it easy to take off in case of emergency. But it is still one of the trade offs of using a higher mount. @@MidnightRangersPB

  • @iCodinee
    @iCodinee 11 месяцев назад +2

    Anyone else feel like a kid on christmas every time mojo posts?

  • @ReapingRose115
    @ReapingRose115 11 месяцев назад

    The old adage of 'It Depends'
    In my personal opinion, it's a matter of finding comfort in the setup and also what you may be using that could actually make the experience in certain configurations better.

  • @cokedaz
    @cokedaz 11 месяцев назад +1

    I feel like I am the only person on the planet that can use an Aimpoint T1 on the lowest mount on an AR, I just raise my shoulder like a half shrug when I present the gun. Never had issues. But I am not wearing a suit of armor or aiming for 5 hours straight. High cheek bones probably, everyone is different. Just get good with what feels good that is the important thing.

  • @FitVenture30
    @FitVenture30 11 месяцев назад

    Whoa nice set up Mojo! I’d love to see your truck and how you have that set up.

  • @mnaanep
    @mnaanep 11 месяцев назад +1

    great content....i use the high mount on my rifle because I went blind in my right eye and I shoot right so the high mount lets me use my good eye when shooting with the m4.

  • @josediaz1719
    @josediaz1719 11 месяцев назад +1

    What zero are you using for 2.26 and that higher gbrs? Had a 36yd before but found my hold overs were quite wide as far as poi box. Thanks

  • @strykeback1
    @strykeback1 11 месяцев назад +19

    The right eye dominant thing with the higher mounts was interesting. Since I had a decent astigmatism in both eyes until I had a multi retina tear and then cataract surgery in the left eye so the astigmatism is gone but I only have distance for vision and my right eye dominant has the contact and astigmatism. Trying to find a good overall optic for my zion 12.5

    • @slick4415
      @slick4415 11 месяцев назад +1

      Consider an lpvo not borderline red dot speed astigmatism doesnt matter

    • @m.k.k.4931
      @m.k.k.4931 11 месяцев назад +1

      The astigmatism has nothing to do with eye dominance. Plus with red dots you don't shoot with any eyes closed. Stay target focused.

    • @rilesmattix5217
      @rilesmattix5217 11 месяцев назад

      I love my 5x vortex prism

    • @JohnSmith-yx8kf
      @JohnSmith-yx8kf 10 месяцев назад

      @@m.k.k.4931People confuse eye dominance and other vision issues all the time. There is ZERO reason to compensate for eye dominance with red dots, in fact that’s one of the main benefits of dots in the first place. You could even argue that cross eye dominance is a benefit for dot shooting, because it’s easier to stay target focused when your dominant eye isn’t looking through the optic.

  • @sectorseven07
    @sectorseven07 11 месяцев назад +3

    Dude the moment you start introducing lots of equipment to the equation the advantage of high mounted optics becomes readily apparent. With ear pro, helmet, pate carrier, eye protection, etc, it can be difficult to get behind a lower optic by comparison to a high optic. You do have to understand the max ordinate of the optic is higher, and that will adjust your zero. That's fine. We've been working with adjusting zeroes since day 1, everything can be trained past.

  • @Subdado
    @Subdado 11 месяцев назад

    Damn bruh. That test hittin them vocal chords. Turning them Multicam black. 😂

  • @seanoneil277
    @seanoneil277 11 месяцев назад +1

    Good review, Mojo.
    Would you still like the higher rise if you didn't have gas mask and NV things to accommodate?
    I haven't seen many people running higher rise in PCC category in USPSA, and that's all CQB distance speed and efficiency in play. Nobody's having to accommodate chest plates, helmet, NV, gas mask though. So they can make it as ergo as possible. Maybe they're slow to change?
    I have a hard time running higher than 1.5 - 1.6, though I've tried. I find too low (direct to pic rail) easier to work with than higher.

    • @warrenharrison9490
      @warrenharrison9490 11 месяцев назад

      Physical build is a factor. I have a very long neck, where someone with no neck and I would feel different on a platform with high or low mounts. The blessing that we aren't stuck with having to have a wooden stock carved to our individual builds.

    • @seanoneil277
      @seanoneil277 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@warrenharrison9490 You should study ergonomic data banks, see how much real range of neck length there is. It's not significant enough to change things as you suggest. The only reason for higher mounts is simple ---> you want to run the rifle lower on your torso, relative to your face. And the only reason to do that is a helmet with gas mask and NV, and a plate carrier blocking your torso.
      Rifles are designed to be run a certain way. If the intent of the AR design were to be run lower on the torso, the stock to receiver apparatus would look much different. Rather than change the rear of the rifle, people have used higher mounts. That's really all this is. And I would still encourage all the "high mount" lovers to spend some time shooting prone with their "heads up" mount and see how their neck likes the position. Do you really want to have to switch to your handgun when you have to be prone, and give up all that range accuracy and stopping power?

  • @michaels5210
    @michaels5210 11 месяцев назад +1

    Only reason I run a 2.26 is cuz they don’t make a flip to center magnifier for 1.93. That being said shooting someone else’s rifle with like a lower third or even absolute height optic feels uncomfortable, especially with over-ear ear protection/comms.

  • @charlesludwig9173
    @charlesludwig9173 11 месяцев назад

    For sure the height must support a good stock weld to anchor sight alignment whereby the eyeball is centered to the eyepiece. If this condition is not met then parallax will be an issue.

  • @TehPh1L
    @TehPh1L 11 месяцев назад

    Hey mojo, how do like the flip to center mount 8:22 it seems like its blocking abit of the view there, or was it not all the way down?
    anyways I appreciate the videos! keep it up!

  • @briancunningham5011
    @briancunningham5011 10 месяцев назад

    Mojo and Brian are absolute Ninjas.. hope they're on my team if/when the time ever arises.

  • @keithshelley717
    @keithshelley717 11 месяцев назад

    Good to hear from you brother always love the content

  • @thenricks5063
    @thenricks5063 11 месяцев назад

    Going prone is what kills high risers for me. I don’t go prone often but in the case I need to go prone, I don’t wanna have to crank my neck up high when I want to be flat.

  • @MedusaTargets
    @MedusaTargets 11 месяцев назад +1

    Hot take lower 1/3 or shorter is the worst optic height from a ballistic perspective. Just run a 64 moa circle dot for cqb holdovers

  • @CR67
    @CR67 10 месяцев назад

    I'm keeping my optics as low as comfortable. Exposing my head an extra inch high is the difference between being missed and being dead.

  • @tomjjackson21
    @tomjjackson21 11 месяцев назад +1

    I took a class several years ago with my night riffle rig, and it quickly became apparent that it was unusable in a class due to my being literally incapable of obtaining a cheek weld, or getting behind the optic around barriers, or prone. I was humiliated. 6 months later I'm purchasing a position for a fighting rifle class, and in *BOLD LETTERS IT SAID NO 1.93 ++ OPTIC MOUNTS* and it quickly became apparent to me this was an ongoing issue for anyone that isn't exclusively training on flat range. Now whenever I see someone advertise their fighting rifle, without IR it appears as if they're broadcasting *"I DO NOT TRAIN."* Idgaf honestly, but it should be exclusive to masks and NVG.

    • @lucashebbe3335
      @lucashebbe3335 5 месяцев назад

      Shouldn't need a cheekweld if you've got the stock properly in your shoulder. Buffer tube recoils, should be in your shoulder. Wedged in between plate carrier and shoulder/bicep. Not high up to make it comfy. Mojo made a vid about it. "How to control recoil".

  • @BuckF0eJiden
    @BuckF0eJiden 11 месяцев назад

    Mechanical offset in 5.56 really only has a significant impact in CQB. You CAN do some really interesting things with your zero on a high mounted optic, though.
    I run a top dot on my SPR, at +4.5" over bore, with mk262 in a 20" barrel, i run a 75 yd zero. The point of aim to point of impact with that zero out to 300 is incredibly flat.

  • @MuzzleFrontLLC
    @MuzzleFrontLLC 11 месяцев назад

    I bought the Hyrda with the intent to shit on it. After about two hours I was hooked. As soon as it was available I grabbed the magnifier mount as well. Now I run that gun from 7 to 600 in run-n-gun competitions. I really ate crow on this one.

  • @charlesl5226
    @charlesl5226 11 месяцев назад

    I think the reason why people don’t talk shit on the Cary Handel height vs say the GBRS riser is simply due to looks. Does it look goofy? Yes. Does it work? I’m sure ya.

  • @cbboiii1100
    @cbboiii1100 8 месяцев назад

    3:58 That was a clean transition

  • @Apalm12
    @Apalm12 6 месяцев назад +1

    Never heard anyone say I had an aim point and graduated to a holosun😂

  • @im2lost
    @im2lost 10 месяцев назад

    I remember a thing we used to talk shit about guys with sights on top of the charging handle... Now we're mounting sights on 3" mounts.. All in all every single one of us here follows the trend.

  • @mikewithers299
    @mikewithers299 11 месяцев назад

    Good stuff Mojo. I might have to give this a try 😊

  • @cainmarko335
    @cainmarko335 11 месяцев назад +1

    High mounts or not it's important you practice the optic and the firearms it doesn't matter anyway it matter most is your dedication to practice to improve your markmanship skills

  • @muzien87
    @muzien87 11 месяцев назад

    as a right handed guy who is left eye dominant, your video convinced me to try the high risers, if i can jsut dig my face in a little more to still use my left eye while firing right handed that would be amazing because i wear glasses and my right eye is total TRASH, i cannot rely on it for shooting at all what so ever.

    • @GeorgeeeW
      @GeorgeeeW 6 месяцев назад

      You should base what hand you shoot woth based on your dominant eye. You can learn to shoot with either hand but your right eye will always be more dominant

  • @Night-Owl-
    @Night-Owl- 11 месяцев назад +2

    I have an absolute mount for my dot on the ultimak for my ak. Before when i had my sam7k and in line mounted brace it was perfer. I got the mount so i can still see my dot while using my light since i have a modbutton. So i basically accidentally found that i like taller mounts. Now that i have a 103 with the same stuff it sits a little higher but im still happy with it. I have a feeling once i do a jmac m4 stock adaptor and eventual eotech with magnifier on some side rail mount ill still have a nice height. For my ar im pretty sure ill go with a taller mount for the ta02 when i do get that rifle built out.

  • @kentchristen6048
    @kentchristen6048 11 месяцев назад

    I use a 1.9ish" mount now, because anything lower means I'm looking over the top of my glasses when I shoot. I kinda need them to see everything clearly.

  • @armorers_wrench
    @armorers_wrench 11 месяцев назад +1

    Robber: Gimmie yer wallet punk!
    Mojo: Lol. Lmao even.

  • @american_patriot6218
    @american_patriot6218 11 месяцев назад

    My favorite gun tube channel!!

  • @RandomWrongDeletion
    @RandomWrongDeletion 10 месяцев назад

    I’ve always been a low mount kinda guy, but I’m gonna buy Slade’s OTT when it drops in Jan and try that out.

  • @240sxdriver
    @240sxdriver 11 месяцев назад

    Ran into your buddy Angel at a tint shop. Small world! Hope you're doing well handsome man!

  • @garrolmace
    @garrolmace 11 месяцев назад

    Love the discussion fellas great video!!!

  • @badkatrising3918
    @badkatrising3918 7 месяцев назад

    Looks the same height as the shooter in the movie “The Jerk” had when he was shooting the cans. 😂😂😂

  • @abrahamaman8260
    @abrahamaman8260 9 месяцев назад

    Keep up the great work brother!!

  • @Dillpickles719
    @Dillpickles719 11 месяцев назад +2

    I personally have a very small head to were my earpro while covering my ears the bottom is about level with my chin so if I put my buttock to my chin it feels like it is pulling my earpro off when shooting and I have to sink my head down to get on the dot. So higher mounts definitely help with that and I don’t have to worry about losing my hearing

    • @seanoneil277
      @seanoneil277 11 месяцев назад

      Depending on your ear shape and head shape, you might be able to take your ear pro and rotate them forward a bit. Move the headband toward your forehead. I angle mine about 30-40 deg forward and it helps prevent the stock's comb from pushing the earmuff off my ear.

  • @alexanderp8037
    @alexanderp8037 11 месяцев назад

    Its also easier to use gasmasks , NVG or thermal goggles with high mount optic its also easier to see boobytraps and tripwires

  • @nabby119
    @nabby119 11 месяцев назад +2

    2 questions - have you used a romeo 4t pro and if so, would you rather that optic or a t2? And second, what are some other solid 1.93 mounts other than scalarworks?

    • @Jordan-nc3zy
      @Jordan-nc3zy 11 месяцев назад

      ADM and Arisaka both make great aimpoint footprint mounts and offer 1.93” height

    • @nabby119
      @nabby119 11 месяцев назад

      @@Jordan-nc3zy how good is the arisaka one compared to scalarworks?

    • @DC-bk6ep
      @DC-bk6ep 11 месяцев назад +1

      Reptilia has a good 1.93 mount

    • @Jordan-nc3zy
      @Jordan-nc3zy 11 месяцев назад

      @@nabby119 a mount is a mount, usually it’s just price and visual preference. I prefer a mount with a QD mechanism like the adm or larue though.

    • @nabby119
      @nabby119 11 месяцев назад

      @@Jordan-nc3zy unfortunately a mount isnt just a mount, some are better or worse than others. Bad material, no locking lugs, no return to zero, etc

  • @tetototupuna
    @tetototupuna 10 месяцев назад

    I noticed you’re wearing Police placard on your gear, are you an officer in whatever area you live in? Just curious.
    Thanks for your video content and information.

  • @SeanSeesAdventure
    @SeanSeesAdventure 11 месяцев назад

    I am new to your channel. Although I haven't fully finished the video yet, I have a good feeling about your attitude and content. You've earned a new subscriber.... unless the rest of the content I see is not relevant to me, then I'll unsubscribe (but I give you the benefit of the doubt).. 👍 Keep doing what you like doing.

  • @joshuaallen7750
    @joshuaallen7750 11 месяцев назад

    “Imagining my wallet” might work for a shooting Superman, but for me height over bore is a real concern in an emergency situation.

  • @grahamblack4
    @grahamblack4 11 месяцев назад

    Good info MOJO. Thanks for the video

  • @PASS55555
    @PASS55555 9 месяцев назад

    Legit quaity content please never stop

  • @thefreshdeliveryshow
    @thefreshdeliveryshow 5 месяцев назад +1

    My traps are too swole, risers help alot lol

  • @Jaynick1977
    @Jaynick1977 9 месяцев назад

    I struggled a bit in shooting my Unity mounted optic while prone. Do you think a 1" or .75" cheek riser would improve that situation?

  • @vgt
    @vgt 11 месяцев назад +3

    I just bought the OMM (Optic Mount Modular) from Slade Cutrer's company Irregular Defense. Height over bore is 2.5" 😂
    Sounds kinda goofy, but I'm excited to try it out. I have a long pencil neck and I think this will help with comfortability and keeping a heads-up stance when having the rifle shouldered.

  • @WearyTraveler_
    @WearyTraveler_ 11 месяцев назад

    The carry handle was ahead of its time

  • @Apolloneek
    @Apolloneek 11 месяцев назад

    It’s funny how stuff comes full circle the older dudes have been saying this but carry handle and carry handle high style optics are back baby

  • @jamespierson9472
    @jamespierson9472 11 месяцев назад

    I’m not satisfied until my optic mount reaches the heavens! HIGHER! MORE! ANOTHER SKYSCRAPER MOUNT! BUILD THE AIMPOINT TOWER OF BABEL!

  • @jessesmith5932
    @jessesmith5932 5 месяцев назад

    Love ya mojo! Keep it up bruh! WA Reppin

  • @ansonhuang2138
    @ansonhuang2138 10 месяцев назад

    @milspec_mojo at the 4:30 mark... how in the world did you get the Scalarworks mount to screw onto the cursed GHM9 rail that has the upper receiver square overhang (i.e not enough clearance!?). Had to ditch mine for a Unity FAST with diff red dot. Still wish it worked.😢